The Great Debate – Part 2

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Isam Rajab

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The Great Debate ‘The amazing dialogue between Ahlus Sunnah and the Mu’tazzilah from early Islamic History’

Part 2 of 2

by Shaykh Isam Rajab

Episode Transcript

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Allah azza wa jal says in the Quran in Nan Jana who are an Arabic

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in NA Jana, what do you say about jala? Does it mean halakhah or no gyla is more or less to make, if you translate it and this is the problem by the way, the Quran, the word of Allah was sent down in Arabic

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in Nan Jana who are an Arabic

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It is

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made in an Arabic language, the tongue of the Arab. So anytime you translate it, it doesn't become a Quran. It is a translation of the Quran. And that's why you have several translations. Sometimes this translation is better that translation is better. And it's in any language. Imagine having something in the original language and translating it, it will lose some of its value no matter what. The same thing with the Quran. The English is translation, it's not the Quran. So this man, Michel nourishing, telling me here in LA Jana who Allah azza wa jal is saying we created the Quran

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in that genre, Quran and Arabic

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So obligees, Rama lottoland gyla it means halaqa and it means something else depending.

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So, Misha told him back to dodging the answer, now you are dodging the answer. So we are equal now because we know we are different.

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You are following the misguidance and I am following the truth. You are saying jhala means culatta. I'm telling you sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. By the way, this is not the text of the book of Allah, you are looking for the meaning. And I'm okay with that. You could not give me a text saying that the Quran is created. We'll move into the meaning and the implications of words. That's fine. What does the word imply? Jalla Allah says at the beginning, in Surah Al Anam Alhamdulillah Allah, Allah Azza wa Jalla

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wa Jalla wa rahmatullah no Praise be to Allah, who created the heavens and earth

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and made darkness and life. It's the same meaning halaqa and mean here in this is the same creative darkness and light.

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He told him, yes, but in what do you say before he tells him the answer he asked him.

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Whoever says, Allah is created when I have a villa. Is he a disbeliever? He said, Yes, he is a disbeliever.

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He says, Whoever says

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the Quran is my creation. I created the Quran, who created the Quran? He told him Allah azza wa jal. He told him someone else created the Quran with Allah He tells him No, Allah only himself as the origin. So he told him if someone claimed that he's created the Quran, is he a disbeliever? He said, Yes, it's all them. Okay.

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What about the angels?

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Who created the angels? He told him a las panatela He said if somebody claimed that he created the angels.

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He said he's a disbeliever. You told him okay then listen. Allah subhanho wa Taala says in the Quran, Allah azza wa jal melodica de la Vina homi Bhabha, Romani inasa

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they made the angels

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whom Allah azza wa jal,

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whom whom are worshipping Allah subhanaw taala. They made them females are generally Malaika alladhina homi Bhabha, Rahmani inasa

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giallo here. So, that's the meaning of jihad. They consider them they made them if you say they created the angels, who are the worshipers of Allah, it doesn't make any sense. It's not

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it's not giving any new meaning it doesn't make sense.

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Another ayah

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Allah Vina Jawaharlal for me, Anna Xin, those who made the Quran subject of entertainment, to make fun of Allah Vina. Giada Purana is in did they make the Quran are they created the Quran you already said that whoever said the Quran is created

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is Catherine. Allah has soldier saying in the Quran that they made the Quran the subject of their entertainment allows the jury saying that they created the Quran. Vishal here was speechless again. So he thought that mamoun he told him Yeah, I'm your own all commander of faithful this man. He's not from the Arab and he's interpreting the Quran according to his whims and desires.

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He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

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Allah in the Quran, it means halaqa if it gives the meaning without the need of continuation

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jhala means sciarra me, when, if you stop at it,

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if you stop at it, you cannot know anything until you continue you have to continue. So when we look at the first Al

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Hamdulillah and the Holocaust in our civil war jhala we know that rajala even if you stop here, there is a creation involved.

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But when Alonzo just told the mother of masala is Salam

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in naraku, la quwata I loo, we are returning him to you and making him if you stop, you don't understand anything.

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We are returning him to you, after Allah azza wa jal commanded her to throw him in the sea. He gave her the glad tidings that he will be a messenger in naraku la ke we are returning him to you. And creating him, it doesn't make sense. Watch, I know if you stop at it. If you stop at it, it doesn't make any it doesn't give you any new meaning you have to continue with dilute what means more saline. So you have to understand the context you have to continue or you have to stop bisher said, Where are you bringing this from? We have to stop or we have to continue.

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Don't sleep walk for muscle? That's what they you see the signs in the Quran, Gene, silly. Clearly these signs where you should stop, we should continue.

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He told him this is mandatory upon the Muslims to learn. Vishal told us this is mandatory to learn a lesson I haven't told him Yes, otherwise, you will be changing the meaning you are committing Cooper if you do it deliberately, he said Where is that from the book of Allah. He told him

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when you say

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shahidullah Allahu Allah who La Ilaha Illa. Allah testifies that there is no deity worthy of worship but him. Shaheed de la la la Ilaha.

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If you stop at shahida, La La Ilaha, if you stop, there are a lot of testifies that there is no deity or as a villa, you're committing Cofer, you have to continue.

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Right. And sometimes, if you continue,

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where you should work if you stopped when you should continue, you are also committed.

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And there are many examples.

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I wrote here

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some of these

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examples.

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Well, actually,

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that certain idea about where you continue, and you have to stop

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or you stop and you have to continue. There are many examples in the Quran. So he told him, this is a knowledge that is essentially

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the final say, Allah, Allah told Allah moon, he told him, if I have

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two people, one of them is my slave. And the other one, you don't know about him, the only way of communication between me and you is through writing. And in 18 times, I told you give my slave Zaid that money.

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And in 54 times I told you give my person that I named him give

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that money 54 times I did not mention that he's my slave. 18 times I mentioned. The other one is my slave. Then you came to me. And I told you, the other one home I wrote about 54 times I told you, he is my slave. Why didn't you know? Should I have known that he's your slave? While 54 times he did not mention that. And 18 times you mentioned about the other one that he's your slave?

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Should I have known? The Khalifa told him? No, no, you're telling the truth. If the only way of communication is writing, and in 54 times you did not say that he is your slave then how do you know? I was gonna tell him that's exactly what's in the Quran. When Allah subhanaw taala mentioned the creation

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18 times mentioning the creation 54 times mentioning the Quran never. Allah azza wa jal mentioned that the Quran is created. He always distinct

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anguished like at the beginning of salata, Rahman Ar Rahman

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Al Quran toward the Quran Hala Collinson created demand. He differentiated between them. Why didn't Allah say Allah? Allah Allah Quran? Allah Collinson, for instance? always it is differentiated.

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That's one thing, another thing.

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He told the halifa In conclusion, that was the closing he told him when Allah subhanho wa Taala mentions everything or something, not necessarily including everything depending on the context. When Allah azza wa jal

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said, Allah Holly kukuli Shea,

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Allah is the Creator of everything.

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He did not include himself subhana wa Taala. He did not include his knowledge. Similar to that when Allah subhanaw taala mentioned the people of add their punishment.

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What was the punishment of add, with the wind? The wind, what's the description of that wind to them Miro Kula Shane.