Jesus was Not a white. Jesus was Not his name.
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Let's give an example. He's Jesus is not he's not Jesus. Okay? His name was Yeshua or Isa, you know, in the, in the Semitic language. So, you know, if you tell some person from from the west state, you know, yeah, sure, he'll be like, What are you talking about? Right? You know, Jesus didn't wear a T shirt and jeans, you know, he was wearing a soap. And that's why a lot of the representations of the old the old Italian painters, you know, is is depicted as wearing a soap. So imagine Jesus walking down, you know, in LA or New York or sometimes I
do have blond hair and blue eyes, right.
Well, that's not true. No, that's not true. That's not evidence in the church. Youth will have the right kind of Yeah.
I I don't know what to tell you. I was born in the Middle East 2000 years ago. The Bible is very clear about that. should be pretty obvious. I don't have blond hair and blue eyes. Yeah, I'm a surfer boy.
No, that's not that's not that's not academic. Correct. And that's why people have to be academically honest. You know, Jesus described in the Bible as having breastfeed, you know, so he was most likely equal to what you would see a Palestinian be looking like today or Jordanian or someone from that area. No, it was someone who had a bronze he was brown, you know, kind of like, and he had wooly hair. So you know, you it's not he wasn't he wasn't a white boy. Let's just put it like that. This
um, with Gabriel el Romani. The last time we met jabril, how are you?
Forget about your brother.
You remember last time we had a nice little view scenic you. We were coming out of the seminar. And we had a nice little interview. We're talking about your story. Remember, this title was the Romanian
Romanian loving Islam smilla Al Hamdulillah salaam aleikum, welcome to another episode of the deen show on location. And we've interviewed all sorts of Muslims all over the world. I told you if there's a Muslim on the moon, we'd be interviewing them. But I found a Muslim from Romania. Romanian Muslim loving Islam jabril salaam aleikum?
How are you? Brother? Good. Good to be here. I want to ask you a few questions inshallah. So, in a predominantly Christian, orthodox Catholic,
Romania, how did you find Islam?
for the people who didn't get a chance to watch that story, that interview, kind of sum it up for us, what we talked about, about your experience coming into Islam.
So yeah, I was born in Romania,
migrated to Canada. 1998. And that was the first time I met Muslims. And what we learned back there Bible people, you know, terrorist type of people, we have a history with Turkey, Romania has always been like that. So, you know, we're given the raw deal in the media.
So when I met muslims for the first time, and I experienced the reality, and I think that's the problem with most people, they don't actually meet Muslim, they just see what's on the TV. So when I met Muslims, for the first time, I said, you know, this is totally different than what I've learned. So I wanted to know more. And that's what led us to a lot of discussions, a lot of interesting discussions about theology about who is God and what is faith and what is life and what is the hereafter. And one of the tipping points was when I saw my brother, come on, smile, which, you know, was my one of my best friends with my best friend and person who gave me down by less than a lot.
Some I'm making some juice. And one day, we're in Toronto in the morning, and it was fuzzy. And that's one thing about Come on, no matter what we're doing, going to places having fun, he will never miss his prayer. Right? So I used to ask him, how come you know like, we're having fun, we're, you know, just kicking it and you know, why are you praying? You know, I'm not praying. And he's like, because I know what I'm doing is wrong. So this is my door to Allah for repentance, and I'm going to change and I really appreciate it about him, you know, and when I saw him making it,
Do something that in the Bible describes his brain, which led me to ask the question like, well, I'm a Christian, how come I don't pray like Jesus and he's a Muslim. He prays like Jesus, fast forwarding, there was a lot of research and a lot of reading. I was hiding from my family. I didn't want him to, to know that I'm doing this spiritual quest. So I was reading a lot. He ties the books under my pillow. I didn't want to let them know those
Slowly, slowly, I started removing the icons from my room. I started basically leaving Christianity and I left it because it was just not, you know, it was just not the truth. It was it wasn't matching with what the Bible has to say. It wasn't matching with what the Church says, and the Bible doesn't match with what I mean, it was not, you know, there's a three way mismatch. So, I basically became nothing I just said, I believe in God, but I was pulled and fascinated, attracted to the, to Islam, and which led me to study more. I studied all the other world religions, philosophies and religions. And
I couldn't fight Islam, you know, Islam was just pulling, pulling, pulling. And I realized that Kemal is is a better follower of Jesus than I was, even though I still I mean, I still believe in Jesus, even though I was not a Christian anymore. But he was a better follower of Jesus, even when I was a Christian, you know, compared to me, and that's because, really, Jesus wasn't Muslim, you know, and that's, that's what that was, the answer is, and there was a tipping point in my life again, where I had a dream that, you know, life was ending that I died. And it really pushed me to take the decision in the step to embrace Islam was very lucid dream. It was something very real.
And, you know, I was in a party and having fun and someone came in saddened me and I went out in the backyard, and I saw light in the heavens. And this slide called my soul, my soul just lifted, and I woke up and I was crying. And I felt so disturbed. And I said, What if I died tomorrow? Like, what am I waiting for? You know? And that's a question for all the viewers and everyone, if we ready, if tomorrow is the day that time is marked, and it's you know, your law calls you like, are you ready? Are you sure that you can hope your salvation on some kind of
not so sure type of ideology? Not so sure, who said it not so sure what his name is not so sure, really, just to the fields, you know, nicer, it sounds nicer, it's very easy. It's not like that, you know, we have to get serious, so as to get serious, and hamdulillah. I know a lot of guys in me that on, you know, one night I called brothers Kemal and, you know, I took Shahada with him. And yeah, that that's what led me to the interview with you. years, two years down the line. And here I am today. I'm glad you clarify when you say Jesus was a Muslim, for those people that are shocked by your statement, what how, how can you verify that he was Muslim? Yeah, well, basically, Muslim,
or Islam. Let's start with Islam. So Salaam Islam means to submit to the Almighty Creator. And I say creator, because a lot of people get confused or because they don't have the knowledge of what a law means. Or a law. They you know, they don't understand the Semitic languages, they use the English language only. So a lot of times the human brain gets conditioned to almost think that somehow Jesus and God is somehow American or something, you know what I mean? And if they hear something strange is different lingo is different.
a different word being used, then they get all like, no, that must not be true, because it doesn't sound familiar to me, you know? And that's very irrational. No, a Muslim is someone who submits to the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. And that is in Arabic called Allah, Christian Arabs called God, Allah, you can go and ask anyone can pick up any Christian Bible and you will read the word Allah. Moreover, it's written in the Christian Bible, supposedly, we don't really believe that. But Jesus on the cross, suppose is saying Illa Illa, lanessa. Bethany? Right. So you can obviously, anyone could understand the word Allah. And that's exactly what is allowed or not the
different form and expression of use it. So Jesus was a person, the Muslim is the one who does Islam. Okay, so Jesus was the one who submitted to God, and hence you as a Muslim, we understand. So he was a prophet at that time, he was the truth, the way the light, whatever you call it, no one will come through God except through him. You know, people like to call the reverse. And of course, we agree with that, because that was the case of every prophet in their time, no one would ever be able to go to God except through their prophet who was a Muslim, and who called to God and God only to pure theology. And when I say pure theology, I mean pure, not something that needs to be
explaining external volumes and given all kinds of similarities from the world, and still, it's not explained. I'm talking about pure, you know, something simple that anyone can understand. The child is a child is born, his child grows up, he's never gonna just naturally develop a feeling that somehow God is a multiple of different personalities under different, you know, circumstances. No, that's not how it is. Naturally, a person believes in the divine and that's what's called the fifth power the natural disposition. So Jesus
This was just that he was a person who was sent from God. Hence he was a prophet and messenger. And he was a person who submitted to God. Hence, he was a Muslim and we consider Jesus one of the oral as nummular. Who soon are one of the strong will profits are the most important prophets of Allah.
Yeah, you mentioned having a dream for the person who says, Well, look, I've had a dream to you might be a Christian or Hindu, and say, Well, Jesus came to me in a dream. So what's the differentiate you being on the truth via me being on the truth? That's a very good point. That's why when I talked about the dreams, I mean, this is something very subjective. I've never used as an objective thing. But I like to, you know, just throw it out there because people connect to you sometimes, right? But I've spoken to Hindus to, to to Buddhist, to Muslims themselves, who say that, for example, you know, they saw Prophet Mohammed in a dream, who told him not to pray anymore, you
know what I mean? And that's that's invalidate, and that's an X, because we follow people based on how they follow. Prophet Muhammad SAW 745, they follow a lot and as the prophets, we don't follow them based on their dreams. So yeah, I can say that, you know, I mean, my wife dreams doesn't mean that okay, she, you know, you're going to use that all the time, where there's been different people that I've dreamt about Jesus many times, when not many times, but at least a couple of times, and it was a certain dream. Now, it's not something you can use as something as an objective proof, you know what I mean, but it's still something personal. For those who say that I've learned from this
or that I have no doubt that they've turned to someone. But for in Islam, there's an explanation. And Prophet Muhammad SAW some says that the Shakedown can take the shape of anyone in dream except for him some a lot of similar. So I have no doubt when people said I dreamed about Jesus about God or about this or about that. There's no doubt whatsoever about them that they dreamt about someone. But the question is, who is it? Right? And how do we answer that question as to who is it as we look at what they saw in that dream, and what that person asked him to do? So for example, she has a Jelani, the great scholar of Islam, he says that he was dozing off in your spring, the early days of
you know, of late hours of the night, and that he saw a drone coming down from the sky. And basically like Allah, and he says to him, oh, have
you been worshipping me? So Well, you don't have to pray anymore. Right? So because it says, Oh, yeah, I'll do a low enemy of Allah disappear. Because you're telling me something that Allah already told me while he was so mad that I have to establish prayer. So he's telling me I have to stop right? So I know that you are not the truth. You understand the Mount Shasta which says that, it doesn't matter if someone can be walking on water, just like Jesus did. Someone can be flying just like other you know, so many so called Sufi saints, or other people would have said they've done you know, it doesn't matter. We look at how they follow God, then we look at their miracles. If the two
don't match, then it's an X. Because we know very well there's gins and spirits and other things that can help them do the supernatural things, dreams, visions, stuff like that. But the reality is there has to be a litmus test. And if you look at the as Christians, whatever their scriptures always dictate, in the end, pure monotheism. So anyone who comes in be as themselves, their priests, their scholars, and tries to say otherwise, it's x, it's an invalidation of that main concept, like the first commandment and what what have you What have you seen in your experience now? You've been dealing a lot in conveying the message of Islam sharing it because you care you sharing, you've been
out there not just living in your soul, but sharing it with others, and trying to be an ambassador to this Deen. What are some of the challenges the majority of challenges doubts that you recently did a talk on tackling and answering some of the questions that doubts that people have? What are some of the top three doubts that people who come into Islam or in Islam, and then they have and and they, they they end up struggling with?
Yeah, sure. It's a very good question.
See, we have to understand that
it's very easy to fall into those. And that doesn't mean that someone just like finished, you know, the loss of faith. Now, we as Muslims have to respond to these doubts and nastiness. scholars who look into this and not do as preachers who take care of this. And of course, the social media, everyone having a platform there are so many people who instead of trying to show the beauty of their faith, supposedly, they try to attack your
pain, right. It's kind of weird. If you really want to do what you believe they show me how nice it is.
Don't try to just attack attack attack. But anyway to answer your question, probably the first thing that's, that comes to a Muslim or a new Muslim mind in terms of doubts. It's usually linked to the rules and regulations of Islam, specifically the Sharia. Right when they hear the word Sharia, or law of Islam, they think it's like, you know, cutting the hand stoning, the adulterous or with being, you know, the drunk. And that's not what it is people need to understand what it is. So that's usually the first question asked next. So what is shinian? Do you even understand what it is? So they actually don't know what Sharia is. The problem is, rather than that, a lot of people are
not educated. So they just throw things out there. So if you look at what the sherea sherea, from Sharia, it's a straight and passed away, that has been developed. It's a rule set of rules that includes government includes banking includes health system, family, marriage, divorce, burial, you name it, you know, it's got the military aspect, we have no doubt about it. We don't shy away from that. But we compare it very simply an exact event to a constitution for much better than anything like that.
But what I'm saying is, if you look at any country's country's constitution, you will find within it all these aspects, including the military aspect, right? So when people look at it was they start accusing a certain country of being violent or applying certain rules and regulations and punishments, even within their judicial system? No, they won't. Right? They will not. But supposedly, when Islam, because Islam doesn't make that separation, it doesn't say that Islam was only good for Friday or Saturday, Sunday, people have an issue, right? Because as you know, in the other faiths, with reformation, some people can choose Well, I'll do Christianity or whatever, only
on one day and the rest of the day, I'll do what I want. But you see, the vacuum has to be filled. So all those rules and regulations in the end human beings, the way our psychology is, we are people that congregate we are societal people.
So we lose regulation. So instead of using God's rules and regulations, we've had to fill in the vacuum with rules that are ever changing. Hence, you don't have a consistent system of ethics and morals, you understand? So people have an issue with that. And they look at the Sharia. And they say, oh, look what you're doing? Well, you have to understand the hoodoos, or the head, which are the punishments, which is equal to again, a lot of the systems and the constitutions of all countries in the world, all of them, have it show me one country in the world that doesn't have within its constitution, some kind of legal proceedings, and punishments does. So. So if you're
going to look at the Sharia and look at the head, you'll find that it's only a small book within a library of many, many other books. But people love to pick on it. Why? Because they're directed towards that it's not just free, they're directed every time people keep saying so psychologically speaking to the repetitive effect, they keep hearing in the media. sherea, sherea, sherea, sherea sherea. That's the first thing that the mind starts producing Sharia. You know, everyone has an issue with it. You asked him, Why should you have no clue? It's cutting the hand? No, it's not from my friend. It's not cutting the hand. It's marriage. It's love. It's kindness, his passion, his
compassion, is mercy. It's social work. It's so many things. And you're only looking at that one thing. But that's very flawed way of looking at very irrational and illogical and unfair. You know, if we claim that we live in the 21st century, a world of you know, giving humanity and so on, then people have to be really fair, and there'll be a loss of dinner because they're missing out on something so important, and that is truth and salvation. You know, if people just give Islam a chance, I'm not saying just jump into Islam and convert, I'm saying is, give it a read. Give it a chance, open the Koran. Go speak to a Muslim, visit a Masjid. Visit us an Imam get your question
answered, you will find that it's going to be the world of a difference, right? So that's the first thing the second thing. Second point, if people have issues with is the character of Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. Again, because the measuring stick has been wrong. A lot of people tend to have issues with the life of Prophet Mohammed on the life sentences of the Prophet sallallahu sallam, and naturally so because if you've been conditioned to believe that ethics or morals are a certain thing, then of course, you're gonna have problems and you know things. But the double standard is very clear. When you analyze the life the process of selling, you see, you can't
have clean water coming out of a dirty pipe. It's just impossible. But that's all you see. The problem comes often is just clean water. Now, did he have wars? Did he order killing a certain people and so on? Yeah, because he was the judge and the state ruler and leader of a country of constitution no doubt. But again, I go back to my initial point go look at any country in the world and you'll find that the same thing. People don't have an issue with that. People right sir.
leaders of the world who have done horrific things as culture and civilization and great leaders of the world, and they study it, but some somehow again, when it comes to profit,
by seller, somehow people have an issue
is against me, because there's a realistic and he dealt with the situation. When you compare that to what happens in today's world, you find that the human beings are at a loss in how they their ethics and morals suppose they're not perfect, but they're always changing. Our ethics and morals are going down, down, down, down down. The customs countries, people are in doubt, they're in there and they're in panic mode, you know, they're losing their children, they're losing their their ethnic, ethnic, their ethnicity, their identity, people are committing more and more suicides cisors mental illness is depression. And the question is, again, why problem is that there's a contradiction in
of So Sam didn't shy away from dealing with situations. So he has to kick some back, he gets some back. And if you have to put someone in place it put him in his place. And that's just the way it is look around the world. But at the same time, he was a man full of compassion and full of kindness and mercy and love. And you will find that well, problem is that academically when you study the life of prophets lie, Selim, the writers who wrote the Sierra actually was called the reservoir. So they wrote usually around main events, the Arabs used to write around main events. So because the what were the battles, so you find that the seed of the prophets of Doom is usually written around
some of the major battles. So when someone comes in from a science doesn't understand that, they tend to think that the process of all you did is fine. But that's not true. When you start studying the idea of seeing and so on, you'll find the social life of the process of settling with children, with his wife's with his family, giving coming, establishing a country establishing cities building, putting his hand there, you
list is being very simplistic. Look at all the leaders in the world past and present, and look at their lifestyles, and look at their salaries, look at their living and how they lived and where and look at profit loss and
because I'm gonna
use cry marks from the straw masters that he was leaving on why when he had access to so much money, and he, you know, Arabia was already open, he could have bought the nicest pillows from Persia and so on. But no, because he was a servant of God. And he lived very nicely and he didn't take the money from the people and so on. He only gave
away, he find that what he left behind was nothing. If you look at the world leaders, ask the president what they leave behind. I mean, it's very obvious. And this indicates to his intention, you know, a person was trying to seek this worldly life. He's trying to get some of the orientalist say that he was a power hungry person and money hungry person or woman, hungry person. I mean, you look at his actions, look at his life, and you'll find, you know, look at the way you live and the way he's died. And you find none of that. Right. So people will say this, and it was a human being, that he likes women. Well, I hope he did, because I hope something come to light, you know, I'm
so what's wrong with that he married he was a dedicated man, he's a family man. Right, today, people are are pushing any other, you know, type of relationships and so on, that are very, very, you know, dodgy, right. So people are have no problem with that. But they have a problem with marriages. I mean, one person, a person looks and analyzes life to find sincere in life.
So I feel like people are missing out because they're missing out on his life. They're missing out on who he was. And they're missing out on him being the Savior for humanity. You know, in the end, the last savior came to this to mankind to guide them from the darkness into the light. So again, what I'm saying is people just need to open up they need to look they need to analyze, they can just pick up any book, get in there and just slide to read or on the internet. Really, they need to the way you know, I've done it that I've met Muslims and I have Muslim contextualize things. For me, everything has a context. If you just read things on the internet, you watch a video here a book,
you're not going to get all the context. Look at the Muslims. Look at the majority of the Muslims. And I'm talking when I say majority, I'm not talking about 60% or 70%. Right? I'm talking about 9598 maybe 99% of the Muslims around the world, right? Look at the way they live, look at their ethics and morals and so on. And then try to compare that so people are missing out because, again, they're being directed towards that through my research through my studies and our there's a there's a systemized way of
People trying to push Muslims and non Muslims to hate Islam. And that's kind of critical, right? Because people are saying that we're trying to make peace, while he's happy to see to fill out the following number one, and when it says to them, as Allah says in Surah Baqarah. And when it says to them don't make facade or evil on the earth. They said, well, we're peacemakers allies.
But Indeed, Allah says they are Musudan They are the ones who are causing problems. You know, he tries to to incite hatred and incite all kinds of, you know, negative feelings. And definitely, you know, you're not going to be a peacemaker, for sure. So, as Jesus said, Blessed are the peacemakers. So people are missing out. And I think
the third issue is, is an issue of desires, you know, people are confused, because of the desires that are around the world today. And sadly, sometimes the Muslim community makes it so difficult for someone to do something that's halal, and Haram, it's so easy. So she's done is not going to try to grab you right away to commit ship, he's going to take you step by step. So you start with you, you know, your sins, your work on your desires, and slowly, slowly, the human being as a Muslim, or a new Muslim, you know, he had anxiety, right, because you understand what you're doing is wrong, and you don't want to do it. But slowly, slowly, you get accustomed to get accustomed to it, you know.
And slowly, slowly, you start justifying it because you cannot have that anxiety in your heart, a human being doesn't do well with anxiety. So either one or the two. He's there, accommodate or assimilate. So either accommodate itself, his friend, premium of worth his mind, the wisdom and knowledge is to an outside stimuli, or he takes it outside stimuli, and he incorporates it and whatever he believes already, right. So that's the problem. The Muslim cannot win. There's a contradiction between the two, there's anxiety, so the human being naturally wants to get rid of anxiety. So I might be drinking or I might be committing Zina. I'm not feeling good, because I know
it's hot. Right? And the last one that says, He swears What else would mean that's the low one, he swears by the self reprimanding. So it's a good sign when you feel bad, and you have anxiety. But the human being cannot stand that. So what they'll do is there they'll repent, and they'll keep fighting. All their give up, and they'll change the ruling and say, who says it's haram anyway? Why do I have to feel bad? And that's what the shift on how you work slowly, slowly. So now who says that the job is is you know, Haram, if you don't work? Who says that? It's Haram, if you you know, commit Zina, who says, Tom, if you drink who says, Tom, if you do drugs, who said, Tom, this is
this? Why do I have to feel bad? Right? So a lot of people are confused with that. They say, why do we have to abide by all these rules? So you find that people slowly, slowly slowly drift off from the correct path, and they end up very straight, and then in the end, they'll end up doing *? Right? So to tie a lot, you know, it's like the story of that Sahaba, who was seen later on in the peripheries of the Roman Empire, and he fell in love with the, with the woman. And he saw him in one person saw him He says, What happened to you? He says, a lot he I don't know. And he said, he used to be a memorizer. I mean, he was a half his arm. And he said, I don't remember anything anymore,
except for one verse. And that is
that rubella, he was too lazy and low, Can you see me? That may be or it is that the people this is believed they wish that they will be Muslims. You know what I mean? Those The only verse that you remember from the Christ for God, the whole Quran, because he fell in love with this woman, he moved away from the Muslims, he sat himself inside, and he he left Islam. So, but again, I mean, it's very clear, you know, it's not doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at what's good, and what's not what's ethical and what's not, you know, what's authentic, traditional, in line with some ethics and morals and the identity of, of civilizations, and what's not. And people are just playing with these
things, you know, just because they feel that they have the right to do so everyone has a voice today. Everyone can be on a social media platform, without any studies without any knowledge, and just talking, you know, while the people worked hard and trying to teach people and they're trying to work to maintain, you know, faith based on what God has revealed. They usually been ostracized and you know, called you know, as to be evil people. So you see, as the prophet SAW Some said, I mean, we don't do so because Ross Wilson already predicted these things. And he says that, you know, things will be left out.
The pieces will be all bad and the bad people
yeah, this you know, pretty much it's bounce back to the word Sharia. Is it not have you seen in your studies because you're dissolving comparative religion.
That the word *tier is also mentioned in the bible over 200 some times and didn't Jesus live by the shear and Moses brought the video?
Course? Yeah. But it goes back to the first point that I made, right, that foreign term if you something foreign, you know, people think that oh my god, that doesn't sound good, but it's not right, you know, must have a negative connotation. Shetty you know, it's like, someone's just gonna jump out a window or something and take you out. You know, let's give an example. He's Jesus is not he's not Jesus. Okay. His name was Yeshua, or Isa, you know, in the in the Semitic language. So, you know, if you tell some person from from the west say, you know, yeah, sure. He'll be like, What are you talking about? Right? He'll say, you know, you we're Jesus. Jesus, it was what again, is that
is Yeshua, Yeshua, Isa. And the fact of the matter is, that's a fact because the English language didn't exist. So you're 100 100% it didn't exist. But again, that's the thing. You know, Jesus didn't wear a T shirt and jeans, you know, he was wearing a soap. And that's why a lot of the representations of the old the old Italian painters, you know, is is depicted as wearing a soap. So imagine Jesus walking down, you know, in LA or New York, or sometimes I know, he'll be probably, you know, sent to jail or something, you know, or be called a terrorist. But that's Jesus. So hold on, Mary, do you have blond hair and blue eyes? Right?
Well, that's not true. No, that's not true. That's
the church. You can go into
what color your eyes are like blue, right? So here like your color, like kind of like you?
Yeah, I'm a surfer boy.
No, that's not that's not that's not academic. Correct. And that's why people have to be academically honest, you know, Jesus described in the Bible as having breastfeed, you know, so he was most likely equal to what you would see a Palestinian be looking like today or Jordanian or someone from that area. You know, he was someone who had a bronze he was brown, you know, kind of like, and he had wooly hair. So, you know, you it's not, he wasn't, he wasn't a white boy. Let's just put it like that. And that's just the way it is.
Now, is that a white boy?
Correct. So you mentioned something from the Bible. He had brass, brass colored feet, that's Brown. Yeah, Brown? Yeah. More like he looked like an Arab like Semitic, right. He was Semitic. So he Exactly. Wow, many people are just really amazed to hear this right now.
Yeah, I'm sure. But that goes against to say that, you know, I mean, Saudi people are trying to prove something, they have an agenda. And if you look into the history of colonialism, and so on, this has been used a lot to show superiority of Caucasians, over non Caucasians and taken over justifying and taken over that God is white, and I. And that's why in the movie, Malcolm X, when he asked him priests, like what colors, you know, using the boosters to the statues is an obvious, you know, I mean, like, and that's, that's just, that's just not correct, right? And if any of anyone's honest enough to look into the history of colonization, so on, and they'll find some very scary
stories and scary things is how people justify, you know, taking over other people and how they consider them less human than them, if not even nonhumans.
Right. Do you see it ironic, as when many people fall into doubt, they'll get into matters that are more scholarly that need more contextual information. And when you dig a little deeper, you see that the basic fundamental theology of Islam a lot of time is overlooked, because you don't see people arguing about the towhee, the pure monotheism, and many people, they jump over learning the basics of this, and they get into these other areas, and then they get into a land of confusion when they skip first grade and jump into college right away. That doesn't make sense. Do you see this happening?
Yeah, definitely. That's probably the default. Right? And again, I think, right, you, you get people to focus on all the details, and you'll miss the main point.
He's definitely not going to study calculus without knowing basic arithmetic, no doubt, but still, people are trying to do you know, second and third degree equations without knowing how to do fractions. And that's a big mistake. You know what I mean? It's not logic, it's not rational. So that's why usually people need to understand and
keep asking about the job and this and that, if you don't know who is the one who legislated this, and, you know, doesn't make sense you need to go to square number one, who is God doesn't even believe in God, first of all, and who is God? And what is his message? What is it who is his prophet or its profits, and then he goes, says,
If I said, you do that anyway, with everything in life, and when you move away from the system, be it in your job in your education in your life, you find that you fail at it. But somehow when it comes to faith, people get shy of that. And they don't follow that procedure, which is a very simple procedure. You know what I'm saying?
How far is Poland? From? where you're originally from Romania? neighboring is close by, isn't it? Yes. Yeah. Very close. Yeah. Tell us what was your reaction? Or did you hear about when it was reported that
whole and having one of the largest marches in Warsaw, 60,000 people coming together? And at one part of the protest, they were chanting, pray for Islamic Holocaust?
Did you do you remember?
Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's very, that's very contradictory, because not not too long ago, actually, in the history of mankind, the Polish themselves found themselves being under attack, okay, being from the east or from the west. And, you know, they're, they're being killed, and there'll be an exterminator left and right, and the World War. And here they are.
The this, you know, I think is very, very sad to hear that, that people are so ignorant, and they wish for the death of others. Here, they are hating Islam, because of a certain number of people doing certain number of attacks and x, which is a very small number. And yet, they're calling for even worse than that. So how are you better than the so called people that you hate? You know, not just that, where's that Christianity that you so called, you know, you preach and you so called, you know, you profess of loving kindness. And that's the thing when he gets down to the raw deal. This is when the true face of people comes out. With all due respect. You know what I mean? If you're
gonna gather so many people in March and call for the, you know, Holocaust and so on, and using the name that killed so many, you know, Semitic or Jewish people in the world wars. I mean, that's very sad that you know, you didn't learn from from what happened in history. So it's just, I can just say, just sad.
Now, tell us,
Romania, what is the status you've dedicated now? Your time and efforts into helping educate the Romanian people in the Romanian language, about the pure monotheism, about the message of Jesus and all the prophets submission to the will of the Creator, not the creation of Islam? how receptive are people to it? How is the community there? fill us in?
Yeah, so Romania has a quite long history with Islam. There's been obviously a lot of wars between the Ottoman Empire and Romania.
And a lot of times the Ottoman Empire they take over Romania. I mean, that's a different story. So Romania is a Muslim Muslims have been in Romania for about 700 years, over generations, we have bought 100, massages, some of them dating, dating back to the year 1500s, or five, 600 years old messages, very beautiful. And most of the people there who are Muslims are ethnically Turk, touchstar, or Gypsy, right. And they're good people. They're hard working, a lot of them are farmers. And they've been part of the Humane Society for centuries. Their status, they're there, they're quite ignorant, because after the communist regime,
a lot of them just couldn't practice Islam couldn't learn. And they don't know how to pray properly. They just kind of follow the man. Sometimes the moms themselves are not very knowledgeable. There's definitely social issues, depression, alcohol abuse, abuse, other things poverty, the massages are not usually open, they only open on Friday, if they open, the attendance at the Friday prayer is very, very low. And, again, the knowledge of the people is very, very low. Romania had a big of enormous population before but again, a lot of them just migrated when the communism came in. They went to Turkey, and so on and established themselves there. So I've been working with the romaine
community in dow in general for about 15 years since I became Muslim To be honest, but with the romaine community for about five or six years now or more.
And it was a bit difficult at the beginning because yes, I do speak the language but I've studied Islam in either English or Arabic. So it was very difficult to to learn the terminology and so on, but hummed along with time I picked it up. And the Romanians are a bit stubborn, I would say but they're good people. So when it comes to faith, they're subtle because they're like ethnically Christians, you know, and they, they take it very seriously in terms of like, okay, that's our identity and we're never gonna you know,
become Muslim. But the matter of fact that a lot of them are entering Islam because once they do hear certain, convincing arguments and information being presented to them, of course, a person was, was honest enough and academically honest and willing to read a bit and listen, they will definitely, definitely accept this. So to the internet, through translating books, translating different pamphlets, talking to people with different projects, going on the ground, visiting Romania and talking to people. So Hamdulillah, we have on on a steady, you know, monthly about five to 10 people embracing Islam. So we're trying to educate them, we're trying to help them to learn
how to pray, but more more than just that to learn, teach them their Akita, who is God, to love God to love themselves to work together, you know, to be part of the greater community. The sad part is that the rest of the world kind of forgot about Romania, or maybe they know that there's Muslims in Romania. So there's really no support and no help from the outside world. I'm not going to take away from the brothers who have been there for a long time and, you know, do a lot of good work. Some of the Arabs that came and studied in Romania, medicine, and they've married their, and their moms in the masjid or their, you know, people who are working them as it was a matter of fact, I mean, we
have to be honest, this is our This is not some kind of, you know, I just, you know, we're not just saying things, we need to reach out to those 19 to 20 million people who are literally, you know, they want it you know, there's this dissatisfied with what's going on with what's going on into politics. I'm sure a lot of people have seen the news, all the protests, it's all about corruption, there's corruption in the country, a lot of clergy is involved in politics. So you know, the the attendance of the churches are very low. People are educating them selves, they're leaving the country. Romania is the second country of people leaving it after serious errors in obviously, we
know that it's tarnished by war. But Romania is not and people are leaving, you know, by by the seconds. But what happens is that when they leave the country, just like it happened to me, they do open up their mind, they interact, they see they meet Muslims in the UK, and France and all over the Europe, where they work. And they realize that, sadly, what we've been taught in school, and in our literature, sometimes it wasn't true. I'm not saying I'm not taking away that there might have been some messed up things that, you know, some people in the Ottoman Empire have done, no doubt about it. I'm not making excuses for that. But what I'm saying is that you can judge that, you know,
Islam, based on what some people have done, that's just messed up people, but look at Islam is worse. And also, if you look at the alternatives, if you do an academic study, they've brought so much goodness, to the world, so many systems, and they set up the foundation
for so many, you know, future generations and
so many societies later on with their systems, you know, fiscal system and banking systems and railroads and all kinds of things. So, you know, a person has to be honest, when they talk, if you can allow emotion to just stay cold over. If you want to be just a sweet talker, then Okay, you allow emotion take over. If you want to be an academic, and you really want to understand, study and have intellectual discussion, they do need to read and you do need to be as fair as you can, when you make these, you know these statements. So that's pretty much the the condition of the domains, there's about, I would say, 400,000 Muslims in Romania right now, even though the statistics here
are the latest statistics, one 2011. And it was about 64,000 people, but that's not correct. I think there's about three to 400,000 Muslims in Romania, there's a lot of students in general main right now is Europe, Europe opened and Romania is part of the European Union. So you'll see the massages, you'll see some in the southern part of Romania, you go to villages, and they're full of Muslims. You know, I mean, it's a majority, like 90% or 100%. Muslim. But again, these are remote villages. There's no access sometimes to medical care, there's no access to clean water, the massagin are falling apart, because again, they're like five, 600 years old, and they're like not, you know,
they're monuments, really. They're ancient monuments, and we have to try to rebuild this or re, you know, to take care of them.
Some of the communities do need help in building some schools, teach students teaching kids how to read the Quran. Almost no one knows how to read the Quran except for the Imam and even that bad sometimes panela it's not that good. You know. So definitely education is is key. social support is key, and reclaiming the identity. You know, Romania is a perfect example of of different cultures and different religions living together.
On one land, you know why itself that southern part of Romania is a witness for hundreds of years. So people need to start looking we usually when we look at Dawa, we're very, very enchanted and impressed with doing damage to the west, you know, it's always America, Canada, the UK, South Africa, Australia. But we need to look at Eastern Europe as well. There's a lot of countries that have a lot of beautiful, rich
heritage, Islamic heritage, and oh my goodness, forget about those people need us those people need our support. And, you know, I would say it's, it's a, it's a win win situation for those who want to help to get involved. Because they can actually, you know, almost Finally, you know, open up Islam to this to this beautiful country. If people want to support your efforts, and sharing, educating, how can they contact you and get involved?
Now, um, so hamdulillah I've been quite active on the social media. So my first Facebook page for Al Romani. So facebook.com, forward slash, h, l, r, O, N, double a, n i
as Romanian, Romanian, okay, L, R, O, N, double A, and I, that's my main page, come to life post a lot of the videos, they're all my trips to Romania, information about how they can help they can contact me.
You know, we haven't arrived yet organisation has been set up in Canada, and we're working with people in Romania, people want to come and visit Romania. It's a very cheap country. It's a very beautiful country is very nice people. They're open to join us on some of the trips, and then getting involved. There's beautiful people, I mean, the Muslim, I was very, very impressed. Because when I went there to the south, you know, the Gypsy population. And a lot of people don't know about the Gypsy populations, other than maybe Eastern Europeans, labs, Bosnians and so on would know about them. But there's different religions within themselves. Right. So usually, gypsies are known,
sadly, you know, for like, theft and crime and so on, which is, again, it's a misconception, you know, that's not how all of them are, I grew up with a lot of very, very kind and righteous and loving gypsies. And they're very beautiful people.
But you will find some of them, of course bagging is on this panel, when I went to the south. I mean, it was just amazing to see the respect that they had, you know, and seeing a foreigner or, you know, someone coming from outside of Romania, but, you know, I mean, it was just so much respect, none of them asked me for anything. It was just beautiful. They brought the little babies out, you know, wearing little he jobs. And you know, I was just, I was just so beautiful. You know, they're very, very stylish. They call you like, Oh, god, no, I'm sure. Maybe they the same thing and Eastern Europe. So it was very, very nice to see, you know, the communities. Yeah, therefore, he had, they
don't have all the Mercedes and the big pillars that some people have in other parts of the world or in other parts of the country. But they respect people and they respect themselves. So you know, they're our brothers and sisters in the end, you know,
so he only wants to get in touch with me, I'm not sure maybe you pause the video shall like and put my Facebook page as well. And we can give all the informations of all the plans. Right now we're basically gonna focus on social work on the ground, helping people education, as well as restoring some of the old messages, a lot of cemeteries while they need to be cleaned up. As long as the bushes and growing again, there's a lot of senators because there's a lot of presence in Romania before the communists, so that those needs to be cleaned up. So again, masjids social work, cemeteries need to be cleaned up education, and of course down to the non Muslims or non Muslims
are, are willing to listen, they need Islam, they're looking for, you know, salvation, they're looking for a system other than what they know so far. And we're not gonna force Islam on and we're just gonna tell them what it is educate them, and the worst thing that can come out of it, people are not gonna be so ignorant, and we're going to build some bridges. You know what I mean? So there's this, there's a lot of work to be done. Thank you very much. And when you say sharing Islam, is this the same message that every prophet that was sent by the Creator
came with that message in Arabic La ilaha illAllah, Muhammad Rasul Allah, that there's nothing worthy of worship this message that when people hear it, there's really not much you don't hear people debating this, it just connects with the human nature. And can you say it also in the Romanian language, so for any Romanian listening and identify with it I sit in Arabic is translated English that there's nothing worthy of worship except the Creator who created you. And Mohammed, just like Jesus, Moses, Abraham. He was the final messenger. They was messages that preceded him, and they came with that same message, worship
The one god don't worship the creation there's nothing worthy of worship except Him. And Mohammed is the final message. How would you translate that in Romanian?
No doubt. Yeah. As you said, this is the same message no doubt, there was always that constant a lot. And the variable was always the Prophet it used to be lai lai la la de la sala, used to be La La, la, la,
la, la, la Ibrahim
la used to be lai lai la la, East la sala. And then is like,
so no doubt the constant it was always a lot. And the last prophet that came and messenger was not in harmony.
And in Romanian, you basically say much to resist and resist the nature of the beast. And I thought that Allah Jelena, she must resist the Prophet Muhammad is the messenger which
is how you would translate into me beautiful, I think we'll end with that, that is powerful, that resonates with the heart and soul.
And with that, Mashallah, thank you very much brother, for being with us and Shalom. can get involved and if they want to visit contribute, they can hook up with you. definitely
appreciate this. I mean, well yeah.
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