Channel: The Deen Show
Find out how the Quran and the Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) saved non-Muslims lives in World War 1. Find out about the Mosque that was built to honour Muslims who saved France in World War 1 and was used to save Jews in World War 2. Find out about this amazing History they didn’t teach you at school about Muslims saving Jews and the huge impact Islam had on World War 1 which motivated Muslims to save lives while defending Europe.
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The Grand Mosque of Paris.
The Grand Mosque of Paris is a wonderful structure on the left bank. It is the central focus of Islam in Paris and indeed, it is probably the most distinct and important Muslim architectural institution in all of Europe.
The Grand Mosque was built in 1926. As a token of gratitude for the 100,000 North African Muslims who fought and died for France in World War One. It is a marvel of design and beauty.
But there is another hidden facet of the Grand Mosque. A mysterious legend whispered for decades, but known only to a few. The details of individual cases are very difficult to identify. What are the secrets locked inside the Grand Mosque of Paris? And what role did this house of worship play in one of the most wrenching episodes in modern history?
Nine months into World War two
German forces conquer France and set up the Vichy government.
The collaboration is to regime assist in carrying out adult Hitler's Nazi program, which includes rounding up Jews and sending them to concentration camps.
To help carry out their plan, the Nazis attempt to recruit local Muslims. The Germans strategy was to try to reach out to the significant Muslim community in France to try to win them over to the German side. The Germans begin with cadore ben Gabriella is a well respected Muslim elder and the head of the Grand Mosque.
In public Benga breed is friendly and cooperative with the Nazis. But privately he has hatching a secret and dangerous plot. The Grand Mosque will hide Jews from the Nazis.
The mosque gave Jews certificates of Muslim identity, you could pass as Muslim if you had his birth certificate or certificate from the mosque. While some Jews evade detection with the fake documents, the mosque simply doesn't have enough to go around. So Ben Gabriella ratchets things up, this time, using the mosque itself.
The Underground pathways underneath the mosque, which led out to other streets and other neighborhoods were places where Jews and others were protected. Benga breeds plan to hide Jews in these passageways is soon put to the test. There was one very celebrated testimony from a gentleman named Albert Ellis who lean isoline a North African Jew escapes from a German prisoner of war camp.
After days of traveling and secret key arrives in Paris, and makes his way to the Grand Mosque.
But in the Nazi occupied city azulene is far from safe.
While he and other Jews are hiding inside, German soldiers suddenly rate the mosque.
The mosque would trigger a series of lights that would flash When the Germans were about to enter the premises of the mosque and Jews would recognize these lights and would find hiding places within the catacombs behind closet doors.
Selene uses these catacombs to escape owing his life to the Grand Mosque. But the mosques commitment to saving Jews is about to face its greatest challenge yet. in wartime Paris, a pop singer named Celine halali is a big hit in town. Halle was one of the most famous singers of the day, very noises like Jewish Justin, Justin Bieber, a Jew. And when the Nazis decide to seize Him, the Grand Mosque of Paris becomes his last desperate hope for survival. But can the mosque help save one of the most famous men in France?
France, the Grand Mosque of Paris, at the height of World War Two, the mosque is secretly hiding Jews, right under the noses of the occupying Nazis. There was a natural willingness of some of the leaders of the mosque to assist countrymen who were facing severe life threatening danger because of the Nazi occupation. That danger extends to the Muslims themselves.
Including the mosques leader to door Ben Cabrini, who is about to put everything on the line to help save someone seemingly impossible to hide of there is just one reverb singer named Salim halali. He was Jewish from Algeria, he thought that he would be immune from the Germans because he was so famous. But of course, he wasn't. Muslims are working to save him ahead of the mosque. He got word that the Germans were gonna come after him.
Could have been a Christian, whoever This is with fake paper human being that Muslims are trying to save and then Ben gabri takes an even bolder step. He had a tombstone at the Muslim cemetery outside Paris in grave with Halley's father. So that Hillel, he could say when the Germans came after him, see, I'm I'm, I'm Muslim, I'm not Jewish. Just go check the cemetery, you'll see where my where my father is buried. Surprisingly, the Nazis are fooled. And halali survives the war. And he to his dying day, and you can check the obituaries of holly thank Ben Cabrini for saving Islam. Ben Gabriella, for his part, keep silent on the mosques ruled in hiding Jews. When he dies in 1954. He
has buried in a wall of the mosque, taking the secrets of the rescue mission with him.
Today, the Grand Mosque of Paris attracts both worshippers and visitors from all over the world. And its heroic efforts still resonate for all who walked through its doors. It's a story that everybody can appreciate. Because it's a universal story. Rescue and protection at a time of intense danger. And that brings a very faraway culture right at home. As you guys can see, we have a lot to talk about on this week's episode of the deen show. Muslims being almost washed out of a lot of the history but when the history comes to light, from not Muslim sources, but from the not yet Muslim sources, you see the truth manifesting. And we're gonna be talking about many of those truths on the
deen show today. And they're based around reviving much of the way the Sunnah of the prophets who are sent to mankind, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, the last fundamental problem on a piece of puzzle upon them, that is based on a man's research a Christian man's research and are very interested to know much more about. He wrote a book, and I'm here with
a person who is going to tell us more about this book that I'm sure that you're going to be interested to find out some of these truths that are mentioned in the book. I'm curious to know, I'm curious to find out, we got a lot to talk about on this week's episode of the D show.
So I'll make Oh, how are you? Brother, man? Well, I'm doing well, how are you? We just have to the LA hamdulillah. We just watched the clip we were talking about. It was talking about the Muslims for the first part is very interesting, because you know, there's a lot of controversy that goes that's happening in Europe today. And there's a lot of hate rhetoric. And you see that there was a mosque that was built, particularly in France to honor Muslims, for their role that they played to help contribute to saving France, saving your saving Europe, right, talk about this, let's talk. That's that first part. And then we'll get into the other fascinating things that I and I talked about
these truths that come out that many people are unaware of that, if they were to come out, and we're helping to bring them out. This would help to bridge you know, to foster more of this thing that we should be fostering peace and unity, instead of this hate as dividing a lot of us based on a lot of misinformation and just people's ignorance about Muslims and Islam. So what do you think? What's that mosque that they talked about in France? Great question. So I actually didn't know about this history. I didn't know about the clip and I met a man by the name of Luke ferrier. He's a Christian. And his grandfather fought in World War One as a soldier from Belgium. And he essentially, in his
encounters with Muslims, he wrote a lot of diary entries about what he thought about Muslims, their honor, their integrity, their respect. So we'll get back into that. But in regards to this specific story, when I met Luke, he started telling me a lot of these fantastical stories sometimes almost too good to be true, because we've forgotten our history. So one of the stories that he shared with me was about North African soldiers, who basically were the last line of defense for France for Paris, when the Germans were trying to invade and the Nazis No, the Nazis were World War Two. Okay, so this is just you know, the German forces from World War One. And because of these North Africa,
Soldiers, they essentially as Lucas told me, they were able to stop the Germans from taking over France, Muslims, these were Muslims and Muslim soldiers, and most of them perished. Some of them survived. But even the ones that perished, there's been a monument there's been, you know, things that have been built to honor them. But because of the ones that survived, later on, they were honored. And a mosque was built, as we saw in the video, to honor the Muslim and the North African contribution in order for one to save in France. So this mosque is built. And the Imam I believe, at the time of world war two was the son of one of the soldiers from World War One. Now, World War Two
comes about the Nazis are invading again, they've come into France. And as we saw in the video, the mosque that was built as a token of gratitude, from the French, to the to the Muslims of North Africa. Now, the North African Muslims of Paris are using to save people who are Jewish. I mean, what kind of an amazing story is that? Right? It's goodness, on top of goodness, diversity, inclusion, working together, humanity. So when he told me this, I was astonished when Luke told me this, I was astonished. I looked for the proof he sent me. You know, I got the book, which we have right here. I saw the images, I saw the quotations. And then I saw the Travel Channel clip. And I
I said, Why don't we know this? Yeah, that's amazing. You You're seeing the Travel Channel, they're talking about how Muslims are saving human beings, right? Our human being right? They happen to be Jewish, right, but they could have been Christian or whoever else. But this is all bad based on the teachings of Islam. There's a verse in the Quran, chapter five, that talks about saving one innocent human being is as if you save the world. So Muslims are doing this, because this is what their way of life Islam promotes. And this is exactly what Luke's grandfather alluded to in his diary. And this is also why I'm very impressed by a man like Luke ferrier, someone who's not Muslim.
But he has make it he's made it a mission of his life, to preserve our history. And it's a joint history's a shared history. But this is something that he's always emphasizing that we have to learn this history. And he even has a portion of the book dedicated towards the teaching of Islam, just a page out of the whole book. But even that page, it clears up a lot of the misconceptions that people have, right, what Islam is not and what Islam is. And if you give me just a brief second, I would like to read a translation and the summary of his grandfather's original letter is his great his grandfather who fought Yeah, who was also a devout Christian, very devout Christian, as Luke has
told me a very devout Christian, someone who believed in the faith. And he his original letter is written in, I believe, Flemish. Yeah, but Luke has translated it and I have a summary of it. Now, this is the difference between, say a devout Christian, who has he's,
he's nourishing what the there's many Christians who don't expose much of this hate rhetoric, right? Jesus's message of peace and love. And he's, he had, he made a connection with Muslim he had that human interaction, right. So this led him now to what you're about to share with us? Yes. So let me just read it real quick. I have it here on my phone. The translation is, I still cannot figure out why these Muslims from overseas are fighting so fiercely in a war, that is not of their concern. They keep referring to their religion and family, traditions of honor and loyalty. Many of them get wounded or die because they never leave someone behind. Regardless of culture, race or religion. We
talk a lot about them, happy to have them on our side. Okay, so now this is Luke, the author of this book, his grandfather writing this, yes. He's writing this about he's, he's and then Luke finds this. So writings, let me tell you this story. So Luke never met his grandfather. And I think his story should also be shared because, again, whether he was a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu or a Sikh, it doesn't matter. He was an honest person as far as we know. And he spoke truthfully. Right? So
World War Two comes around. And Luke's grandfather is actually put into a concentration camp by the Nazis. By the time he gets out of the concentration camp, he's he's never the same and he dies shortly after. And Luke actually never got to meet him. So now last year, or I'm sorry, about seven years ago.
Luke got interested in this work, he stumbled upon his diary in his attic. And he finds this this diary full of his grandfather's experiences in World War One, and it's so intense, it's so deep, it's so personal. But what surprises Luke is that his grandfather is talking so positively about Muslims. Number one, Luke is surprised. He says, I never knew Muslims part took on the side of the allies in World War One, and two, there's such positive superlatives such positive adjectives that his grandfather is using to describe
Muslims. So this basically set Luke on a journey where he traveled to, I think nearly 20 countries. He access private collections. He accessed military archives, libraries, basements, attics of people's records of World War One. And he was blown away by the Muslim contribution. Where did he get these reports and these things with documentation that were preserved. They're not from Muslim sources. Some of them are a lot of them are military archives, from from the allied countries like USA, Germany, or France or England. Some of them are people who have them in their private collections. So he's made it a life's journey now, to get them, authenticate them, digitize them
preserve them. And he's presented his research at many academic settings. He was at Harvard last year. Yes, he is going to be at many places in the UK, in Spain and Dubai, presenting a lot of his findings. But as far as I know, and as far as I've seen, a lot of them he's tried very hard to authenticate. Even there is
I think the British Army has attested to some of the findings. They even have their own video about Muslim contributions in World War One. So pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. There's a couple things that
so let's go back one, let's go back a few pages. There was where this picture right there, right. Yeah, that's, that's that's the one. There was one before that. But here, this is interesting on here, where I'll read, it says the reports, this is from his book, The reports and letters mentioned that Muslim soldiers shared their food with the local people who are suffering from famine in Europe. So Muslims are feeding the poor, even though it's fat famine, and he talks about this, despite the fact that they knew it would weaken their own strength needed for the fierce fighting to come. Very interesting. Well, you know, there was a study, I think, done last year, two years ago, I
forgot by which British entity, and it basically said that Muslims were either the most charitable people in the UK, or one of the most This is by the UN, this came out. Okay. I think last year, yeah, the UN announced. So now we know we was Turkey. They actually mentioned the country was Turkey, the most charitable in the world in the world, but in the UK, in the UK. With that, yes, yeah. And so now think about it. What is it about Muslims that makes us want to give charity, it's our faith. We have many tenants of our faith, many sayings of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, many verses of the Quran that talk about the benefits and the virtues of giving charity,
right. But now because of also sincerity in class, as we say, in Arabic, it's not something that we necessarily want to talk about. We try to give without expecting anything in return. So now you have someone a soldier from the subcontinent, as far as I know, from his book that is in the war is in France, the provisions the rations are going down. But he finds these poor, countryside people, these French people, and he's giving some of his daily rations to these people. What what would make someone do something like this in a time of war? Yeah, what why would he if Muslims hate
people, right? If they're in that country, and they have their own food, many people are just just greedy. Right? Right. And they're going off to study for the last the final messenger. And that's what I said. This is like reviving descended the way of all the messengers of Jesus, we love and revere is one of the mightiest messengers ever sent to mankind, Abraham, Moses, you can't be a Muslim, if you believe in love them. And probably Mohammed is being the last and final messenger in line to these messengers, who by the way, I mean, as I was mentioned, they came with the same message worship to one creator, nothing's worthy of worship except Him. And in the teachings, we
see, in other teachings, we see this similarity. And the Prophet Muhammad, when he was asked which charity is the best, he replied, that which is given while you fear poverty? Wow. So this is given a being shown he's illustrating this suit in this way and his book. Let's correlate this with what his grandfather said. So now we have the Hadith, we have the image of the soldier giving. And we have what his grandfather said,
the honor, the loyalty, the importance of the fate of the Muslims in their daily lives. And there's just so many beautiful stories in this book, the unknown fallen, one of the other ones, that's just very, very impressive to me, was the story that Luke told me and it's in the book about the the Minister of War of France at the time, he basically issued a ruling is sent out like a letter to the to the army, saying that when the Muslim soldier is dying, this is the Shahada. This is the testimony of faith. And this is how you say, if they're dying, give them their last rites. So that Shahada now Don't lose your place. So for the non Muslims tuning in, that's what someone says to
become a Muslim that they bear witness what's in their nature that is nothing worthy of worship except the Creator of the heavens and earth, and Mohammed, just like Jesus Moses, Abraham was a messenger of God. That's that Shahada declaration the testimonies that are teaching
Now the because you know when we when we die, Muslims, we want to have this on our tongue. Yes, right. And it's something that we say throughout our lives, we want to have it in our tongues we continuously say it now by continuously saying you're conscious of your maker, and that is what's motivating you to be righteous to be humble to be a good human being give that charity to help and when you're starving, yes, you're giving it to the people so you can earn your place in paradise help people in regardless of their background, their creed, their their differences. You know, we don't hate people. We don't want to harm people. We want to benefit people, even on this show. You
do shows now about healthy living. What's the reasoning behind it? Right? Someone could say this is a show about religion. Why are you talking about healthy living? without even saying it? I know that for a fact that you tie this to the religion? It goes back? Yeah, it goes back to to consciousness of the Creator to Islam. Okay, so you have the consciousness, but then why are you sharing it? Why you benefit humanity benefit, okay, so similarly, here, we have the French Minister of War, saying, look, these are our brothers in arms. These are our comrades. They've been loyal. They've done what they're supposed to do. Give them the testimony of faith. This is how you say. So Luke was sharing a
story where you would have priest rabbis and Imams, they had like an agreement amongst themselves, we're going to give the last rights to this, whatever it regardless of the soldiers faith, this is their last moments on Earth, this give them their last rites. So that's why for me, this is as a student of this. And as Luke has also said, on behalf of the organization, this is a political, this is not about any superpower, not about any country, not about any agenda. For him, as he was touched by the story of his grandfather, he wants to give life to the stories of all these fallen soldiers. And this is why he's embarked on this on this mission. And honestly,
it touches my heart that someone has preserved. Not only Islamic history, Muslim history, but our shared history. I grew up in this country with a lot of Christian friends, who helped me a lot they fed me, you know, we were friends, we go to their houses, they feed you, you're physically in their house, their parents say nice things to you spend time with them. And sometimes we forget about these bonds, right? We're not talking about bonding over doing bad things, partying, and drinking, and these type of things. But you know, being kind to each other, helping each other, putting a roof over each other's heads, feeding each other. These are, these are honorable things. And sometimes we
forget, like Luke, Luke is a Christian, his grandfather was a Christian. We got to dispel this narrative that
people who are not of our faith are bad, necessarily, right? Luke is a good person. He's a very good person in my eyes. I never met his grandfather, I think his grandfather for doing this work for a writing that letter. So in this book, we have so many stories about loyalty, about brotherhood, sisterhood, honor, integrity, there's a story and there's a picture, I think, somewhere around here about
the there's a picture of French nurses. And they're basically standing next to like Muslim soldiers. And they're smiling. So let's put this in picture. Let's put it in perspective. White French nurses with darker North African and darker Indian soldiers with their, you know,
Islamic prayer hats, and their longer garments, and everybody's happy. So this is not in the essence where you have someone compromising their Deen compromising their, their loyalty to their Creator, first and foremost. And now they start like, Okay, well worship, how you worshiping one day, and then we'll flip it the other day. Now, these are men who are committed to worshiping the Creator, not the creation house, but go ahead, but there. But But now when there's justice, when they're seeing injustice, when they're seeing injustice, they're standing there standing against it, when they're seeing people who need food, they're feeding them when they were going to say so this is
like you said, not compromising their religion. For me, this is the point that is not compromising. When you see people that need help you help them, when you see people are hungry, feed them, right. So now what happens? The wars raging? People are they've run out of medical supplies, as Luke has mentioned in the book, and he's told me in person, and what do you have? You have the he says the Indian Muslims and the North African Muslims, sharing their knowledge of herbal medicine, with the French nurses and in turn, the French nurses were able to save more lives because they ran out of supplies. So now you just have good feelings. You have respect, honor, you have a lot of the French,
British allied dignitaries, a lot of the members of the community at the time, honoring muslims for their contributions, right. So we have to remember and preserve this history. And I just think that look, there's so many stories, there's there's a picture in the book of a Christian soldier and a Muslim soldier like arm and arms. This is beautiful. This is beautiful. And you see that when the people were in the trenches, your real self comes out. And this is why the non Muslim soldiers they honor the Muslim soldiers because they saw that a lot of them were people of value, people of honor. on the same side, we have to also
Appreciate, like, Look, we have to appreciate someone who is not a Muslim, but is helping us preserve our history. So how would you if someone's thinking like, okay, you see a Christian show soldier and a Muslim soldier, there's that there's that that movie, it's it's very, it was very popular where you had the communist coming in to invade was the name of it, they were coming to invade America. And
it's a very popular movie. And then you had,
you know, you had the people who are coming together to fight off the foreign invaders. So now just painting a picture, like, let's say you had Communist China, coming to attack America. Now, this is a good vision where Muslims would stand together side by side, you know, yes. To defend and to protect. Right? I would, I would hope. So. Absolutely. No. And as also, like he mentioned in his research, I don't know if the number was it was a couple of 1000. But there were a couple of 1000 American Muslim soldiers that served for America in World War One. Yeah, you know, so you had, they said, millions of soldiers worldwide for the Allied side? Yeah, hundreds of 1000s from North Africa,
hundreds of 1000s from India.
5000 or so Muslim soldiers, or maybe a little bit less from the United States. So you have so many of these stories, and these people were Muslim still, but Islam is totally against an oppression of a people being on the side of oppressors. No, no, no, we cooperating goodness. Yeah. And there's a just righteous cause. Islam are part of it. Right. And this story again, see, one thing again, I'm gonna reiterate, this is not a political story. This is not a story of any country, any organization. This is the preservation of the stories and lives of soldiers. The book is called the unknown fallen. Uh huh. Why is it there? No, no. And we're just trying to preserve their history. So
that is shared unknown. So I want I want you the audience to look into this. I'm curious to know because we should be learning
history we should be knowing so it's not these things don't repeat themselves and we can benefit so I'm curious to know what you guys have to say what you think get involved in the conversation. And we're bringing this to you to light to spark a conversation. Because when you look at and this is also to help motivate that good that's an all of us. We're all born as we believe as Muslims with that original goodness, good from the get go from the start. But when you see it's, it's sad to watch you recently, not too long ago, you had one of the largest marches in history in in Poland. Warsaw, I believe, where they were pretty much the slogans were pray for Islamic Holocaust. Did you
hear about this? Yes. 16,000
people came together under the banner now of we are Christian. But this does not represent Christianity? Of course not. So you have this element that's out there. And under the disguise of Christianity, and now, they obviously also don't know this history. They don't know really what Islam is about. You have a researcher, someone who's not Christian. I mean, not Muslim. He's Christian. His father was devout Christian. And now he's talking about jihad. He's talking, he talks about jihad in this book, isn't it? Let's talk about that for a second. That was it's early. Yeah. On page. So now this is someone who's sincere. He's a Christian. He's doing his research. He's not
just going off hate rhetoric and ignorance. And what does he conclude? What's he talking about?
He mentioned some facts that we would agree with 100%. And if we motivate those Christians, Jews, people just who really want to know come to a Muslim come to come to really investigate and know he mentions these facts. You talk about that this is mentioned in his book. So point number six, he says it is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent point number of non combatants, right? Because I've heard people argue like innocent innocent Muslims, they know this is innocent non combatants. Number Number seven, it is forbidden to kill livestock.
Destroy, can you Yeah, he's talking about basically the rules of engagement. This is important, you know, killing animals, destroying infrastructure. He goes over
these important points that any Muslim knows the basics of Islam. Nowadays, you hear the things about ISIS and you know, Qaeda and all these things, you know, people doing opposite of Islam, these groups set up who who are a minority, and now the people try to make them as a majority. And now, these people who are killing actually more Muslims, the whole Muslim world has come as a consensus against this 0.1 0.0019% fringe element. And now this is what sparks these protests in Poland, in other parts of Europe. Now someone does the research and says no, no
This is what it's about. You follow me? And then when we look, and you can you can comment from here. When people were behind on rules of engagement, we had those rules, which actually helped to have an impact on the Geneva Convention. Luke says something he says something really interesting.
For those that don't know, the Geneva Convention people, some people don't even know what that is. It's basically as far as I know, a set of rules or regulations that guide and guide how you interact and work anymore. Yes. And it's rules that shouldn't be there. Right? They should. Yeah, so Luke says that, but that was 19. What 49 that was after world war one after we went then they said, Man, we got to put some rules here. And this is getting gruesome and ugly. You know, it says Luke says something really interesting. He goes because of Islam. Or, you know, because of Islamic teachings in the Sunnah. And what have you, that you kind of have the Geneva Conventions before the Geneva
Conventions we were the Islam was the Geneva Convention, perfect form before that, right. But see, this is what's so important people is that you get educated, that you learn that you don't let this hate and hate preachers and teachers out there guides and form your perception. This is what's dangerous. This is what creates. Now this another version of ISIS that's being created amongst these white supremacists and and people like this, we don't we don't support any form of extremism on any side. We don't support any form of hate mongering, hate speech. Everyone's here to live a peaceful, comfortable life. We want to live in tranquility, we want to spread goodness, we want to talk about
good news. We talk about mindfulness, healthy eating, worshipping the one creator alone, right? Things that hopefully lead to a good life. One thing that I want to point out because of the things that you just read.
Why is it that there's so many testimonies that Luke has captured in this book from non Muslim soldiers, soldiers of arms in arms with the Muslims, that praise the Muslims is because of things like this, when they when they interacted with the Muslims, they saw that they were living proofs of these very things, not extreme, even keel, charitable. There, you know, I don't know the story verbatim. But there's a story of there was like a chemical attack during the war, and a chemical tech on the allies, and one of the Muslim Allied soldiers. Like it's like, imagine this as a slow mo, hollywood scene, right? He runs in trying to save the Allied soldiers. I mean, this is amazing.
Where are these stories? Now, you know, that reminds me of the problem, I'm at peace and blessings be upon them. Last, the final must just said to mankind
where he's, during his time, there were the the non Muslim, the pagan Arabs, and they were forming a coalition to stand against injustice. And he had commented that, if that was alive and going today, I would be part of it. And this is what we're talking about being part of those social movements, those movements that are for spreading good, exactly. Protecting the downtrodden, the oppressed. This is what Islam is about. Another point here is where you see in this picture, there's Muslims not compromising their Dean, look over here. You have the Christians here in the book, they're praying, they're praying, right? They're doing their thing. As the prophet SAW some peace and
blessings be upon him when he had the dialogue with Christians, he would allow them to go ahead and pray in the mosque. Right, right. Right. He allowed them to worship how they worship here, you got Muslims worshiping, that you had them in such that you have them in rows, praying, like Jesus prays with their heads on the ground, praising the Creator, the one Jesus called to in praise the one God, what are you going to say? So Luke, Luke told me a fascinating story. And one of the members of this organization is called the Forgotten heroes foundation. 1419 Hyun Baba, he has a video online where he's talking about some of the stories. And it's amazing. So we talked about the Christians and the
Jews, there's some also we have to give credit to the, you know, the Sikhs and the Hindus, because they fought alongside the Muslims as well. So there's an amazing story where the Germans built a prisoner of war camp, and they built a mosque in Germany, trying to curry favor the Muslims over to their side. And the Hindus were being sent away to other camps where the conditions were very bad, and they would die rather quickly. So according to Luke, and from what I heard from Leon, the Muslims were teaching the Hindus on just how to behave, like how to outwardly act Muslim, just with their lives could be saved. So again, they're saving the Hindus now the Muslims are right as what
the Germans as far as, as far as I know, from the you know, from what Luke and Tony, but again, and I don't want to I see I don't like see that. When we say Germans. I'm not picking on the German Oh, there are, there are Muslims who are German, I had an interview with one of the fart zealot, you know, islamophobes, not too long ago, who was in that far that movement of extremism hate, and he actually accepted Islam. Right. I'll put it in context. We're just talking about World War One we're just talking about we're not talking about any group. And again, just to reiterate, this is not picking on a certain class of political. This is at that time, yes, it's in that time, and even now,
we're not promoting any country, any idea ideology, any colonialism anything. Yeah, even
Let's make it clear the book is not, quote unquote, a propagation tool for Islam. It's just giving a voice to soldiers that their story has not been preserved. And even Luke would tell us, it is part of our effort to save the stories of these soldiers to save the lives of these intense forms of brotherhood, sisterhood, bonds of friendship, you have white, brown, black, Indian English, this stories of Somali soldiers fighting for the allies. So many of us I want to get Luke on the show, and then I want you guys to engage with us when he engaged with us. I when I look at Luke, Luke, Mr. Luke farrier, please come to the show. I think it would be great for you to come. And as far as I
know Luke is willing to come on the show the next time he's in America. Yeah, right now they are busy promoting an event it's called singularity of peace, even look at the name, singularity of peace. And you can go on singularity of peace calm and what they're doing. It's it's a Muslim led initiative, where they're calling on hundreds of artists to come to the event to basically talk about peace, make make forms of art, about peace, about conflict, and they're calling these artists they're calling, you know, young businessmen, entrepreneurs, they're also going to have a section for Black History Month in England. Again, diversity, promotion of good values, good material. And,
you know, singularity of peace will start I think in the second week of September, they can find out more information on the website. I think what you'll put in the description, there's also the book the unknown fallen, they can find out about the book on unknown, fallen calm. And the organization that is behind this is called forgotten heroes foundation. What a beautiful name The Forgotten heroes 1419. And I look forward to God willing to have Luke on the program and just you guys I want to get you guys involved to get your take on this is one more thing before we conclude another part on chapter 32 of the book, he talks about officers were surprised. These are the the people are not
Muslim. They're surprised remember, Muslim is simply one who submits their will to the creator to have an interview. If you've been watching a TV show, you know that already for those of our guests just tuning in. That's what it means. officers were surprised when Muslim soldiers lectured them, okay? Now their lecture reviving the sin again, look at that, lecture them about the fact that captured prisoners of war would be taken to a place that had been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beating wrightstown torture look. So you shouldn't torture them, beat them to harm them. deprive them of food and water, leave them in the sun or in the cold. Can you
imagine just I mean, just waterboarding and all these things that debates on burn them with fire or put them put covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and put them in cages like animals. It's not allowed in Islam, this is not allowed. This is against the teachings of Mohammed peace. But even if you have these, the insane state, whatever state doing it that already exposes to you that this is not a part of Islam. We don't support those rather, and they should treat them with kindness. What we say he's talking about is very important. Rather, they should now this is the again, paint the picture, imagine this. These are Muslims teaching this to the not yet Muslims, on how they should
treat the prisoners that were just shooting at them. They're in conflict. Now they caught them prisoners of war. And they're telling them rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy and feed them well. Amazing. He has a quote here compassion is the basis of morality. And he also talks about
something about not separating the children from their families. Man, do we have what we have going on today? We got torture prints debate, should we not? Should we Islam is clear on that. He's got beautiful quotes in the book from the Quran. He's got a suit on Allah, former American presidents. He's got a you know, there was an amazing quote he had from Gandhi about humanity being humane. So I think the book is overall a positive message. Let me ask you, what do you think about the book, I mean, I want I'm just I'm just getting into it. I'm, you know, I haven't finished it completely. But when I when I see like I started off with when I see the revival of the Son, the way of Jesus,
Moses, Abraham, the teachings of mercy and righteousness being highlighted in a world now when we see so much hate being perpetuated, dividing us as humans, we're all brothers in humanity as brothers and faith, but then you have brothers of humanity. Now, if we're brothers, we shouldn't be killing one another or hating each other. And Islam doesn't expose that. But the thing now is, you see that in Europe, you see this huge movement of it's all based on, on false propaganda on on hate, right, and ignorance of people. But when you see these things now, that are being written by Christians, that are being historical facts that are being brought to light, this needs to be in the
hands of people like that, so
They can rethink their position be like, hold on, man. People don't like being lied to. And many people, the majority of these hate preachers, teachers, they're lying to the people. So what I always tell people, like you said, many people don't like being lied to, and from my experience as an American Americans are very open minded. Yes, yes. They love truth and honesty. I'm one of them, brother. We're one of them. We're one of them. Yes. So and they love, they love dialogue and interaction. And this is why we love that that's when I met Luke. I said, Man, this is this is from God. Imagine at this time, a non Muslim,
openly non Muslim, and we have to point that out, promoting this the saving of Islamic history, the saving of these stories of Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews seeks truth. It's the truth. And that's why it doesn't just promoting the truth has to do with religion. At that point, it has to do with the fact that this is true. And you see, he's made it his life's work. He This makes him tick. More than it makes most of us tick. Yeah. And I've met him once. When he came to America. He was at Harvard.
He has some some programs online, you know, from other members of his organization, and they're doing this event I wish I was there, singularity of peace. So many people are going to come the local, the local group, the local government, as far as I know, in London, it's in Hammersmith, they're behind it. They support it, young artists, young entrepreneurs. And also, you know, I told you last time I was on the show that I do mentorship. Imagine this. Now they're calling young artists, they're calling young entrepreneurs, they're giving away some of the stalls for free. This is just support, encouragement, dialogue. This is what we should be doing. This is what we should be
about. This is how dialogue takes place. This is how we impart and impact positivity. This is how you sleep better at night, people can tick something will get you moving, and some people are driven by that fuel of hate, and that you are not falling asleep. Well with that going to bed, agitated, aggravated, and all pumped up with all of this hate rhetoric that's not going to you're not going to sleep well, brothers and sisters No way. But the truth when someone is dedicated to something good, a noble cause. It's it's premium unleaded that it's it's that fuel that really motivates you, and brings positive results, promoting peace, love, mercy, justice, promoting these qualities that bring
mankind together, rather than dividing us. I think there's no follow up to what you just said. I mean, that's what that's what life is about. It's about living a life of purpose, sleeping better at night by partaking by getting involved by bettering the community. That's why I love what you're doing. And I think you're talking somewhere tonight about healthy living and healthy eating. I mean, what else is there in life, I taught ESL for numerous years. And when you teach ESL, to those that come to this country, and you see the hunger and thirst, that they have to learn the language, to become a part of the culture, to then in turn help, by getting better jobs by helping their
children. What else is there, right? You have to get involved you have to partake in, in higher projects. And this is why I'm happy to be involved in this project. Because this is again, a political a religious, even though it's highlighting the contributions of the Muslims. But it's such a noble effort in such a noble endeavor. I think Luke I think hayyan I think my friend Hamid, I think the rest of the team
I think the Forgotten heroes Foundation, if you want the book, unknown, fallen, calm, singularity of peace, calm for this event that is coming up in Hammersmith, London. And I'll end with this.
This is the beginning of the book. And we'll end with that. There's a quote that says, we may have different religions, different languages, different colored skin, but we all belong to one human race for any Muslim now he thinks of the verse in the Quran, where God Almighty is talking about that we've made you into different nations and tribes. Speaking the different
having different colors speaking different languages, but
it was for a noble purpose that you know each other not that you despise and hate each other. So let's get rid of the hate people. Thank you very much for being with us. You have the information. Let's create I'm learning more about this. And I wanted to bring it to your guys's attention tell me what you think. Look into it. If you have some questions for Luke when we get them God will and under show send them in make sure you subscribe right now and on the notification bell so you get that show God one on when it comes out. And let's be peaceful. Let's be people who foster goodness, not hate. You got to cut the hate, eradicated and promote things that will help you sleep better at
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