04 – History of Unity

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Alhamdulillah hilkiah il

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on a Chateau La ilaha illa Allah hula hula Shetty Kala wanna shadow anessa udana wanna be Yana Maulana Muhammad Rasul Allah

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What the Amana Takahiro Ahmadiyya

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waka shalom Manasa Hello ma takahara Maha Jatin Ba Ba, Laila kanheri holla z one Illa Holic for sallallahu wasallam it was other who follow shadowfell lady masala and early one as hub what we are in at home near Sun wobba Playa called Allah azza wa jal Wanaka minoli young Pharaoh oka

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falola farming Cole FL ketamine home pa Eva, Leah Takahashi Dean, volume zero comma home either Raja Oh la la la Hamid Hassan sadaqa La La V

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in a time of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam

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the greatest need of the hour

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was jihad against those

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who would see Islam

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as an enemy

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though those go far of Makkah,

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and of the surrounding Arabian tribes were from time to time attack Rasulullah sallallahu isn't it wasn't better than it was awful. It was an ordeal it was

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every now and then there will be a text launched on Islam on the house of Islam which was Medina at the time. So at that time, one can understand very very clearly why would say that. The most important need of the hour was Jihad v Sabine. Illa. But even at a time like that allow Dallas is warmer can mean only young Pharaoh Kalfa. Even at a time like that there had to be some people who would stay behind in Medina while others would go for them he had visibility Allah so that those who stay behind can gain an understanding of the deen fanola farming Kolkata min homeboy leota Kofi Deen ma everyone should not go out they should be those who stay behind to gain an understanding of their

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Deen and why must they gain that understanding of the dean and that understanding is not restricted to how to make salon how to go for hygiene, how to give our soccer, every aspect of our Deen they have to be those who do so William Viru coma whom is either arogya Elaine in order that they can be in a position to warn the others who spend their time in serving Dean in other ways. But those equipada understanding of Dean will be able then to convey the warning to those who do not know it law

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in order that they also can take heat. This is the reason why we have come together. Our reason there are many other needs needs out there in society, but everyone is not required for every need. There are those who will acquire to certain needs. Many of us sitting on a Monday night, on other nights of the of the week we are busy elsewhere. And other days of the week we are doing we are feeling important, other posts elsewhere, all of which contribute to this particular dean of ours and his well being. However, we have set aside this time, this hour, hour and a half to two hours we've set it aside for which reason Leon Viru como

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la him, law law one, in order that we can be in a position to take this knowledge that we have conveyed to others that they don't have do not fall into the same pitfalls and traps that others have fallen into before. This is part of our mission of our duty as Muslims to preserve our Deen whatever it might take. And if it means that there will be criticism, well, then whatever she said before me applies

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for tonight However,

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there are several topics which we wish to cover. I have however, been given it very strict instructions, one hour nothing more. I must only speak for one hour and after one hour, we will have question answers for about 15 minutes and then we will terminate on that. So without any further ado, inshallah, let's get into our topics, what are those topics? four topics that we want to look at four issues, the first issue is dialogue,

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ease Is there a need for dialogue and way is that need for dialogue. Secondly, unity, these are issues which will be brought up from time to time, whenever people discuss this particular gathering of ours now, be it on the radio or be it in private gatherings it will be said that this is against the interests of unity. They should rather be dialogue we say yes, very, very right. Very correct. There has to be a dialogue. We will locate the dialogue great supposed to be Secondly, the issue of unity.

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the unity of the soma is extremely important, but unity does not.

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It's not that important that we sacrifice everything else for the sake of that unity. Unity goes with a number of pre conditions, we will start looking into some of those conditions. And then we will quickly survey history to see whether those who called for unity in the past, whether they had actually given everything whether they were prepared to sacrifice everything at the altar of unity or not. Then there are two other topics related and we will see how they interrelate. The next topic is

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this year are nothing but another month hub. We have a sharpie, a mother by Hanafi madhhab hammer hammer, Lima hub, Marikina hub, so this is just another fifth month hub is called the Jaffa Demuth hub. They they practice in a certain way we practice in a certain way there's no harm. We look at the question, we will investigate whether she isn't can be assimilated along with the rest of the mothership. With a broad stroke of the pen. As simple as this is just another math hub. It's just a job it must have nothing more than that. Is that true or not? You will hear this as you go along. We look where the how true it is. Lastly,

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the the great appeal of this year would be

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they say that they are the ones who follow the family of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam. They are the ones

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who follow the imaams from the albedo while everyone else is following imams from any from somewhere else. They are the only ones who remain true and love the family of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam whatever they have in terms of their faith in terms of the interpretation of the Quran, in terms of the Hadith, all of this comes from the alone bait. The center in otter is also called the animal bait foundation of South Africa, we will investigate for as much as time allows the link between the shiai and the unknown bite when they make a claim to loving and following the rule by how true is that claim? Let's go back to the first of our four points dialogue.

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Dialogue is very important.

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It's extremely important that people have differing views have to come together, speak about their issues, discover where the mutual differences lie, look for ways to overcome those differences so that things can go forward.

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However,

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there's something that comes before dialogue. This country of ours should know it better than anyone, anyone else. We've had many, many years of an oppressive system 1994 did not simply mean that all the excesses and all the oppression and all the abuses of the past are forgiven it's over. There was a process we had to go through it was a painful process. For many it was an extremely painful process. But it was that catharsis that was needed to in order to take things forward. That was a truth and reconciliation.

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The issue of Truth and Reconciliation, we had the trc that trc played an in very, very important role. Those who are on had to come up and say I admit and I acknowledge that I was guilty of this and I was guilty of that. And then it can be said yes, you are forgiven. In Islam, it works in exactly the same way. You cannot simply commit a sin and then go on living without making Toba. Toba means, first of all, acknowledge the crime that you had committed, admit where you are wrong. And then from there, the process of reconciliation with a loudhailer will start.

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We live in a time of admissions and acknowledgments.

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We have been looking at the papers recently, and not speaking about filing a paper last week. So you got something else. If you've been looking in the papers recently, you'd have noticed, Gordon Brown is speaking about apologizing for all those little kids that they took away from their families and sent down to down and Australia many, many years ago. Before that, the Catholic Church

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asked forgiveness of the Jewish people for all the harms that they've inflicted on them in the past. And from time to time, people will come forward institutions will come forward, governments won't come forward and say that we have done wrong we ask for forgiveness.

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There are two specific instances where people haven't asked for forgiveness.

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Those two instances

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more or less took place at the same time, more or less the same time. We are speaking about the 16th century the 1500s and 1600s. Two great calamities occurred and both of them occurred to Islam.

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The one occurred in the east and the other one occurred in the West. In the West, the Iberian Peninsula, you and I would know it better as Spain and Portugal. Land ruled by Muslims for 800 years and after

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800 years What happened? there came the Reconquista. The Spanish Christians were conquering the land Islam was weak, scattered, divided amongst themselves. So it was merely a matter of time before all of Spain was re conquered. And those Muslims remained in Spain. What happened to them? gradually, over a period of 200 years, they were all forcibly converted to Catholicism. No one asked for forgiveness for that yet. In fact, go to the Spanish today, they will tell you it was a very good thing that happened. Why was it a very good thing because it led to national solidarity. everyone follows the same religion. We can't have two religions operating side by side, force him into

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Christianity, but we will have one Legion one Legion only the amount of blood that was shed the amount of people that were forcibly converted, well, that's collateral damage.

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At the same time, as as this was taking place, in the West something what else was taking place in the land of Persia, we know it better today as Iran 80% of the Muslims of Persia almost jamara it exactly the same time as the Spanish were converting those Muslims to Catholicism. The new care rulers of Iran went on a campaign to convert those who saw novel Gemma people to the car. They did it first of all, by removing the leaders of society, the Ola my wife killed or sent into exile at Toronto into exile, and gradually thereafter, year by year, the Alassane novel Gemma left leaders would be converted through a process of force by using the sword

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by coercion they would be no one asked for forgiveness for that yet, as Iranian sorry, they say it was needed. Why? Because we needed national solidarity. We cannot cannot have two religions operating side by side. So the result is today that 80% if not 90% of you're on today's Gln en la luna that where they once upon a time, no one is asking for forgiveness for that. But things go back further than that. That wasn't the first access. That wasn't the first abuse of the Allison novel Gemma that occurred in history. The first abuse is that abuse which up to the present day is being held against whom the Sahaba Viola harnam those about whom Allah Allah said Ravi Allahu anhu,

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modeled one, they will still be those today. You would say what? That No, they were out of the fold of Islam. They became mortared after the death of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam for reasons we looked at before. We're not going to go into them in detail for now. But I would like to recall something just one little incident that happened to Ali Adnan Hussein Zane Liberian, the fourth of those whom the Shia count is their imams. As far as we're concerned, these wealthy moms of the Shia, these were great buyers learned men from amongst the family of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi salam, but the Imams of the Shia, they will not, as we will see later on much of what today proposed to be Shiism

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are things that were ascribed falsely to the Imams of the unknown by it afterwards. But more about that later. I just want to look at one particular incident. A person from Iraq comes and most of the Shia in those days way in Iraq, and the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt at that time were living in Medina, and it was a time long before modern telecommunications. So from time to time, people from Europe come to Medina. Some of them come and meet these great figures from Mongolia. And some of them would go to the extent of putting in front of them, you know what, this is what we have heard is true. So a person comes and he comes to him in the lobby then and he says that he starts speaking ill about

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the Sahaba the Allah warned him about the mohajir on on the unsub. I'm saying Labine instance listens to him. After the person speaks, he tells the person I want to ask you a few questions. The person says by all means, go ahead. He starts reading to him.

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Lil fukada il mohajir in a levina resume in the him while he hit me up the owner Fub la mina, La Jolla, Diwan and wion sorona la hora, Sula, Anika homosassa the con as a person, you know, this is yes. Now what does it mean? A lot I speak about the distribution of booty that was captured not by war when the enemy fled. That kind of booty captured is called faith. So this fade to Homer CDB distributed a lot Allah says to the mohajir in, but he doesn't simply say the Mahajan and he describes one Mahajan thereafter.

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alpha alpha Quran Mahajan, Allah Vina Ori Jew mean the him, those who were cast out of their homes driven out of their homes, and the properties that they had in Makkah, they were forced to go into exile. Or Collegium, India emomali tahuna favela min Allah he was

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only one reason made them leave their homes because they were looking for the pleasure of Allah. They were looking for the grace and the pleasure of Allah y&z rune Allah Rasool Allah, and where they went. They were the right hands of Allah anastrozole they were those who would assist Allah is the

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Since the Dean of his law school stand, stand with Rasulullah sallallahu sallam, this is how Allah Allah speaks about the mohajir Ian, Allah iica who saw the Khoon such people are the truthful ones. So you know I'm saying labin reads this entire idea to the person. person says yes I know there is no that's not what I want to ask you. I want to ask you are you one of them? The person says no. He says okay, fine. You have admitted you're not one of them. So listen to the next

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one. levena turbo dharawal Eamon, I mean probably him you're a bounnam and her gerai him while he do Nafisa Dori him hajah Tommy Moto, while you see Runa Allah unfussy him Oh can I be him? kasasa mama you Akasha Hannah sefa Ola eco homophily han there's a second group I want to ask you about and they are these ones those double down on him and they inhabited. They prepare the homes and eemaan even from before they were waiting the Mahajan would make his you know to them. You I born and her gela him they have loving the heart for the mahadji Lena will come to them. What are you doing a few sodium hayata MIMO what Allah has given them they have no need for it in the house they are prepared

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to share with the muhajir brother while you see Runa Allah unfussy him one who cannot be him kasasa they are prepared they give preference to others over themselves even though they themselves I need such people a lot Allah says mama you can show Hannah see the person who is protected against the greed of his own heart like a human hopefully one such are indeed the successful ones. So you know I'm saying lobbying asks this person Tell me Oh person from Iraq. Are you one of these people that a lot of outspoken about here? He says no, I'm not one of them. So he says now you yourself have said that you're not one of them. ohada for hygiene, you have admitted that you're not one of them. And I

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tell you You are not one of these who come next we're levena Jaya omim body him

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after the mohajir in the answer they will be Muslims to come to learn of times though. This ayah tells us what attitude we are supposed to adopt towards the mohajir in and the answer. Those who come after the Mahajan answer what is their attitude?

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The Sahaba of the Allahu unknown were humans they will not appear

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they had made mistakes

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they could make mistakes and they had made mistakes they will not melodica they will not ambia

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when they make a mistake What do you and I do

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do we till the end of time say Do you know what someone's also hobby did here? Let me tell you what he did they do we write thick books telling people that Harley Davidson Waleed is no sort of Allah is the crippled Sword of the devil. Is this the kind of things that attitude we are supposed to adopt? A lot Allah says no. What is the attitude? One levena embody him Jaco Luna Robin Alfie fi Lana. If you come after the Mahajan answer, the first thing don't look at them. Look at yourself. Rob banoffee. Lana, Allah forgive me. I am weak. I am a human. I make mistakes. After you've asked a lot for your own forgiveness. Wali Hua Nina la Vina Saba Puna

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and those brothers of ours who preceded that preceded us in eyman. Those who laid the foundations of this Deen upon which we are standing today, those an account of whom we can be carriers of the Kalima La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad Rasul Allah, when we look at them and we find out and we hear that anyone has done something wrong, what do you do next? You say Allah forgive them,

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forgive them for whatever they had done wrong, while

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he lovely, lovely, man Oh, Allah Do not place hatred in our hearts against those people who have a man those people who have human who are those, those first two, first two categories. You want to know who are those who have Eamon

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in alladhina, amanu Lavina Hayakawa who will be unforeseen fee savvy Lila, one Lavina. One also on Inka hormonal Meena haka, who are the mean, those who made hedger in the path of Allah gave up their homes and those who made Musleh receive them down south, you want to see a movement, that is a true movement, Allah, Allah says, so may is still far for them. On the other hand, this is now what we are supposed to have. This is our law that instructs us the attitude that we are supposed to adopt to also Sahaba the Allah on him. On the other hand, we find people who have made a religion out of hatred of the Sahaba, the low Arnhem, were prepared to say that they are, they are men like we are,

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and they made mistakes. Therefore they must be condemned for their mistakes as anyone today must be condemned for his mistake.

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And then you will find all these kinds of statements, some of which we are even too shy to speak about in this Masjid.

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So dialogue, certainly they are they supposed to be dialogue, we must have dialogue. But we must this dialogue be the dialogue must start from admission that there is something very, very wrong ways there's something very, very wrong not within the house of the Aleutian within the house of the car themselves. The car themselves have drifted far far away from what the Quran teaches the Shia have instituted institutionalized for themselves a tsunami of their own making as we will see later on and they made it on power the Quran they say they have the Quran which they have drifted away from, they have the Sunnah, which they have made themselves.

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This is where the admission has to start dialogue will have to start from within the house of the Shia themselves, there is a need for dialogue. I spoke to you some time ago about the case of Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, she alim of Lebanon, who was prepared to acknowledge the fact that that version of history which she I have, which tells of how Omar attack the house of Fatima is not true. That's what that's where dialogues is supposed to have been what happened to him, that was of course, given against him, because he was prepared to review, he was prepared to revisit issues and acknowledge that certain things are wrong. They are several other all of the Shia who were prepared

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to come forward and say that look, everything is not in order in our house. The reason that is causing this unity between ourselves and our listener is not because the unloosen I have followed someone we have followed someone else. We have Imams and they have humans know the true reason is there's something very wrong within the Shia themselves. The Shia themselves have a version of interpretation of the Quran which is at variance with that have the illusion for reasons which some of their own on Amazon, we have to get away from that now. The she I have problems with the way that they view history. They themselves have to start discussing

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the kind of

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disquiet, the kind of

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what shall I call it? That has been in the airwaves now for the past few weeks ever, ever since we launched this problem this program, ever since we launched this program. Things have been said the radios are abuzz, everyone is speaking about it. And it is being said that Sunnis and Shias must come together and they must be we are very, very prepared to discuss whether she are on condition that the chef's are discussing amongst himself. First of all, our model Kadeem model karate, is an Iraqi

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who fled Iraq in the early 80s went to Iran.

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Long story, I'm going to cut it very, very short. He started investigating for purposes of his own the entire idea of ima investigated in light of the sheer sculptures themselves, he found out eventually his research leads into the position that this EMA which we've been speaking for the past few weeks, which is the essential bone of contention between the hollow Sunni and the Shia, the Imams of the Ahlul, Bayt never believed in anything of the kind, this was something that was made up afterwards. And if there is any, ever any hope for the Shia and aluna, to come together, and to have dialogue, they will first have to distance himself from ideas such as these, the result of this has

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been Ahmed Al Qaeda to flee Iran is living in England. So whenever there is someone who comes forward and says that look, let's be honest and admit,

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then the result is what that person is shouted down, that person is condemned. So there is a need for debate for dialogue, a very, very great need for dialogue exists. But the dialogue has to start within the house of Shiism, when they give the house in order, then we are very prepared to come together with them and then start discussing and from there onwards, why is there that lack of preparedness to engage in the kind of dialogue, because if you have a huge wall standing, and that wall goes 2030, blocks high,

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you cannot simply start taking away bricks from the lower rows, what will start happening, if you start taking away a brick here and a brick they eventually the entire wall will come down crashing when you start revisiting certain issues within Judaism. And you come to the conclusion that perhaps this was not what the Imams have taught. What's going to happen is not just going to be that one little issue. If you say for example, if you say that look, this whole idea of tarrif of the Quran interpolation with the Quran, that certain ayat were changed. Many of the elements of the Shia stated it very, very clearly in the past, they stated that this Quran had been changed by the Sahaba

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the Allah on whom

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all accolades to those of the Shia were prepared to say that no, we don't believe in this. But we don't want it to stop there. It's not as simple as saying I don't believe in tarrif is not enough to say that such and such a scholar doesn't believe in tarrif it must go one step beyond that. It must go to the extent if you

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Have 2000 narrations 2000 Shia hardy if let's say the Quran was changed, then you can have the same amount of a hadith forged by the Shia themselves was to say that there's something called Imam Mullah battlemage Lisi was with greatest Shia scholar of the software era. He says that the amount of a hardy is under her if there are so many, that if you can deny to her if you can deny your mama as well, imagine based upon a Hadith of the Shia, the hurry based upon the Hadith of the Shia, if they are prepared to reject the one they must reject the other together with it. Those who are prepared to come for dialogue today, they say we'll come for dialogue. We don't believe in a hurry

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when we don't curse us harbor. But these are those very, very central bricks with that when pull out of a structure the entire structure is going to come down. So for dialogue to have dialogue is not just enough to say I don't believe in X, I don't believe in y or Zed. It's the entire package. Together, everything must be taken as one integrated passage where parts are inseparable from one another. If you prepare to reject the one part, anything connected with that part also comes tumbling down these other preconditions to any dialogue, aim towards unity, then we can have unity. We can have unity then, if the Shia have revisited these issues amongst themselves and admitted that

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these things are not even part of Islam in the first place. They will find like oh my god, you found like Noah Medallia Han from India found like Mosul, Mousavi, the CIA scholar found all of them they've investigated issues as these things are not they they do not belong to Islam, so we must get rid of them. If you get rid of them, get rid of them completely altogether, and they often are torn off is silly me cough when you enter the religion of Islam completely without any hangups then come to you from the outside. This brings us next to the issue of unity.

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unity of the Muslim Ummah

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is something that is grounded in IR of the Quran very clear in which a lot Allah says in the Javi Amato cometan wa Haider, Juana hon comfortable doing that this oma of yours This is one oma you must stand together, while tassimo we have Lila is yummy, and voila, tarraco. All of these things are in place, we are supposed to have unity. But at any cost. No.

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If that kind of unity, will lead to us failing to achieve some of our other objectives, then that unity is not a good unity, we have to be able to separate two things, we have to be able today to separate the interests of the Muslim Omar on the international

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arena, on the international stage, and the interests of this community here in Cape Town right now. What counts up there on the international stage does not necessarily have to be reflected down here. And what's important here does not necessarily have to be reflected up there. We have to be able to separate these two, you've heard the question was all some time ago that you know what we are doing now and obama speech some time ago, and where does it all lead to know this escaped down and we are sitting with a particular problem, which we are looking for ways to deal with, and what's happening in the at the international level, I will go to the extent of saying that if it is a matter between

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America and Iran, and nuclear power, and all of those other things, they I don't think any Muslim needs to stand back and says now that millennials must not have nuclear power, any state that wishes to have nuclear power, and is responsible enough to know how to use it should be able to have it. No one should be able to dictate to another you can't have it in you can have it because there's a huge imbalance in the world right now. If Israel can have nuclear power, why can't others

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so as far as international metals are concerned, they by all means what we are doing here does not mean that the Iranians cannot develop nuclear power. It does not mean that the Americans are correct in what they are calling for. But we should be able to separate that from what's happening down here. Iran has been calling for Muslim unity ever since 1979. But have they for a single moment resisted from doing things that are directly contrary to that very unity which they are calling for, not for a single moment as as that happened? Why? Because they are very, very capable of separating the international issue from the local issue. They say yes, in the international level, we want to

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have unity with everyone else. They themselves have been the one sending missions all over the Muslim world. If they have been able to separate the two, then I think we also can separate the two.

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Unity

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is something important, we need to have it. We the hallucinogen ma were the ones who realized very very long ago that when the

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Crusaders marched in our into our lands. In the 11th 12 centuries in the crusade started seven crusades one over the after the other over a period of how many of 200 years from 1095 to 1291, seven crusades were launched. We were the ones who realized under the leadership of Imam the deans engi they're often sonoro Dean. They are often the great Sultan Salahuddin Allah you will be we were the ones who realized that in unity will lie the strength of the Muslim ummah. It was an account of that unity that the Crusaders were defeated. At 18 we realized unity, we have to have unity. On the other hand, this

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brief survey of the history brief survey, the first great calamity to strike the world of Islam was the fall of Baghdad. In that fall of Baghdad, the Shia were complicit in the fall of Baghdad. It was hygena sido, b2c, who brought hulagu to the gates of Baghdad. It was the she Prime Minister of the halifa yBnL alchemy who opened the doors for them to enter both these gentlemen with leaving of bringing down the Sunni tilava and replacing it with a Shia Imam.

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Wei was unity at the time, bringing the enemy from the outside and thereafter taking advantage of the situation when every other city was ransacked and razed to the ground. When Muslim blood was flowing copiously when the Tigris was running red with the Bloods of blood of Muslims and black with a dissolving ink of of books that were thrown into one city went spread, and that was a city of Hitler with our y. specialty, it was given to them they weren't touched, and immediately thereafter, immediately thereafter, they started on the campaign of conversion. yBnL mapa Haley, the student on the Seattle Dean tusi, wrote a book immediately thereafter. Man hudgell Karama, a book aimed at what

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I end up converting the evolution not to the shear. So when these great calamities befell the Muslim world, what did the Shia do take advantage there of that was the first fall of Baghdad the second follow up not too long ago, exactly the same thing again, if unity of the Muslim world was all important, then who is a Muslim is savdhaan, the Muslim who was Bush, the Muslim, but the Shia Han was in the hands of Bush, and Saddam was regarded as the enemy where was unity at the time, then it was the very, very regional interest rates were more important. 1924 another great calamity struck the Muslim world. And that was what the fall of the hill over the hill of a fairly 1924 we haven't

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had the tilava ever since. Even though the killer for the last killer for Sultan Abdulhamid The second was a very, very far cry of the original khilafah haulback and Roma, but it was still a remnant of a philosopher. When the tilava fell, fell, then the unity of the Muslim that little bit of precarious unity that remained within the center of the Muslim world. All the Arab states more or less were part of the Ottoman Empire when the Ottoman Empire crumbled, who took advantage of the situation again this year, again this year took advantage and in what kind of ways

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those that have been around and have been reading and picking up a book or two, well probably recognize and speak about the the title of a certain book. This book is called El Mirage. It has been translated into English under the title, the right path. The author of this book is someone called Abdul Hussain sharafuddin. He's a Shia alum from Lebanon. This person publishes a book. The book is a series of correspondences between himself and he claims the shape of the time. She has Saleemul be Shri in this book, The she and the Sunni were having a discussion to great olema the she Harlem in the Sunni alim. having this discussion debating the issue of the shear was a solution. To

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cut this long story very, very short. It ends with Sally malby. She says that I admit that your mother B is the correct one mine is not the correct one. And he embraces a she a must have up to today. This book is held up as an example of what as an example of how people are supposed to conduct debates. Look at the Sunni Allium, then the shareholders have a nice time having a very, very honorable a very,

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in a very, very low tone, not shouting and screaming and ranting and raving. evidence from this side evidence from the other side eventually acceptance by the shareholders are you often have one bottle

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that is the way the book appears. Now listen to a few other facts about the book. This book claims to have been the author claims that these events took place in 19 111 19 111. He claims they take place. The book is published 1956 25 years later. He comes with the book and say no 25 years ago myself in the shareholders at the time we had correspondence of this nature

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And you know, at the end, I was able to convince him and he came over. It is 25 years later, but very importantly, 20 years after the death of sex yesterday will be surely 20 years after the man has passed away already, you come forward with the book and you say, Now, back then me and this man, we debated and debated, and there it is in front of you now. And he admitted the fact that I'm upon both in Europe and UK.

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Curiously, in this book, the author he claims to be writing in 19 111, he is able to quote books, with page and volume numbers of editions that wouldn't appear for 10 more years, books that were packed would be published 10 years, 20 years later, he's able to go to the 1900 11. Already, he's using a very classical argument, what kind of argument the straw man argument, you want to have a debate, you make your own little straw man, or take a puppet, take a sock and throw it over your hands. And then you talk to the sock and the chalk talks back to you. And you tell us something, and the sock says something else. And eventually, you convinced the sock and the sock also says you are

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right and I'm wrong. This is the kind This is the kind of literature that is displayed about you create your own opponent, and you make him lose. That was night. Now why is the book published in 1936 25 years after the suppose that event and 20 years after the death of the shake allows for very obvious reasons that he's gone, he can't answer for himself any longer. But more importantly, had such a book being published in 1900 11. The dole house money or the Ottoman Empire was still strong at the time, no one would have been able to take advantage of it. A book like this would never have been allowed to be published at a time like that. But the moment the central authority of the hoonah

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went books like this came out this book has been extremely powerful in convincing people both Allah and Allah and common people that the Shia upon Huck why they look at it, they read it, but they don't have a critical eye. They, they couldn't see the fact that you know, 19 1136 is a huge gap. And there's much more to be said about a book like this as well. A similar book, similar encounter takes place in another book is called pesch. Our knights, a Shia alum from Iran, called sutala. Anwar Elina Shirazi, he says, I traveled to push our shoulders in Pakistan back then it used to be India. This supposedly takes place in 1927.

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In 1927, he says and for 12 nights I debated whether all of our fish our and eventually I vanquish them all. I defeated them all in debate, and then he comes back to to Iran afterwards. And years later, you will publish his book on how I defeated the husana once again we find a person like him 1927 he is able to quote from a 30 year of human Buhari 16 years before the book is published.

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And now, you and I are supposed to believe that this is how dialogue will take place, we are supposed to believe that this is how unity will be achieved. certain other books of the year that are out there. books such as then I was guidance on one are basically in terms of the arguments in terms of the ideal that the Hardys and the IOD using they they are basically carbon copies of what comes from a mirage. So whatever can be said about that Mirage will apply here as well. What we find is that for the sake of unity, nothing ever stood in the way of the sheer when it comes to their own personal interests. When it comes to the old personal interest. Why was a book like this written?

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Because at that time, the need was to spread the sheer ideas how, how successful were they,

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in this in the first half of the 20th century, in the first half of the 20th century, the land of Iraq was 60% Sunni 40% cheery, right now is the other way around, on account of work on account of the relentless campaign ad conversion that they had been involved in. From the early days already from the days when the Maharajah ad was written, whether it is 1900 11 1936. But they were working gradually working, going to the tribes out there, converting them and gradually coming to a point where the scales would be tapped in the favor of the other. So now it's 60% to 40% husana. We

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also find ourselves in a unique situation what are we in a minority, a minority This is also one of the remnants of the years of colonialism, forefathers abroad from somewhere else they came here and are we living here as a minority? What are we 1% 2% whatever we happen to be, but we don't have the kind of power political power that will say we will not allow she a mission is to operate in our society. So what happens? What happens is that they will come if you go to the website of the bait foundation of South Africa, is www.fo es a fossa.org? There you go. There it is. And there's a page called the About Us page, look on that page and they will mention what are the objectives. One of

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those objectives is to have the counter argument convinced people in order way by graduality gradually to

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increase the amount of conference to Shiism, they don't make a website and in the paper man and after, tells everyone we have not embarked upon a campaign of conversion, if you have not embarked upon a campaign of conversion, how come practically 100% of the people who are attending that sentence have converted to Shiism, once upon a time or were born as soon is why did they go over because someone gave them an idea, someone gave them an idea. So when we look at the issue of dialogue, when we look at the issue of unity, we find that even the Shia themselves are prepared to say that unity but there's going to be certain preconditions when it's our own local interests, then

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unity mistake, second must play second fiddle our own local interests come first. So why one remains committed to the ideal of unity in the Muslim world at large. That ideal we do not allow it to blind us to certain other realities which are taking place at the same time.

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We come to the issue next

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of this thing called the geography mother

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or brother who stood up one night here and said, What does he is all about? All that they do is they make surrounded Clippy they put a little stone in front of them. They put the heads on a stone we put on LEDs in a carpet. What's the difference? Someone was making somebody hold his hands by side and Sunni, Maliki Hanafi Shafi or other Shafi, Maliki not Mulligan, sorry, Shafi Hanafi and homily they fold Enza Malik is also keep the hands by the side. So she I mean he just playing a bit differently. So, NEMA has also played differently from one another.

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How valid is a claim like this? It seems very, very persuasive when looked at like that, well, they have a madhhab and we have a mother, they have the faith and we have our faith. So is there a difference is no difference. They are very, very serious and deep differences. First of all, what is a man a man have is basically a methodology, a methodology through which you approach the Quran and the Sunnah in order to draw the law of fish out of there. You apply it in a particular way that particular system, you apply it in one way you get out of it, you get you apply the Shafi methodology gonna get the shaft, apply the Hanafi methodology is going to define a few muscles the

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Hanafi mother is gonna come out of it.

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What are the sources that you have to apply to? those sources are the Quran and the Sunnah essentially. And then there are certain other sources as well there is more of the old man chaos and so on, but essentially is the Quran and the Sunnah. This is the first difference between the unknown and the Shia lies here. In terms of the source. Where do they draw from? Well, they also came to draw from the Quran. And next one, the Sunnah, which Sunnah. You asked Lucian was the Hanafi Shafi amalickiah humbly, what is the sadhana? Those a hardy that you find in Bukhari and Muslim and Thumbelina Buddha would you say she was a sadhana not Bihari Muslim to me the Buddha would is going

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to be al kaffee is going to be Mullah has

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a book like that he will come at least Yep, so these are the sources which they have. The Sunnah is completely different from ours. That's the first line of defense already. So can they be on par just like all the other mothership when their sources. The first the source is different. That's the one thing we need to look at. The second line of difference. There are three ways in which they are different from us. The one is the sources are different amongst the Maliki Shafi Hambali have everyone, same sources. Secondly, who is the one who draws from those sources?

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What kind of authority does the person who draws from those sources? Let's look at them. Imam Abu hanifa Imam Malik Eman Shafi him I'm not even humble and all the Mujahideen of the mother he after was all the fukuhara them other him afterwards. Let's look at them. What are they? Are they infallible human beings? No, they are very fallible. They can make mistakes like everyone else. He is they have a capacity or they have very, very well developed minds. They have insight into issues that you and I might not have, but they are not ambia no other spirit who Amir? They take the legacy of our soul, Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and they draw from it for the benefit of the rest of

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us. They unpack the law from the sources. Does that means that every iota of what they unpack from the sources is above question is infallible. No, no man had is infallible. Every mother will have certain points where the other mother would be stronger. That mother be stronger than then our mothers have on this one. Our mother is strong and that one mother he'd make mistakes if I'm shafia Rahmatullah Ali said that if you find my call on the one hand, and you find the Hadith on the other, take my call and throw it against the one go for the hadith of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam admission of the fact that he is fallible

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now we come to the Shia, if we speak about the jaffery man have Shafi chavi unavailable honeyville jaffery mother bizu jofra Sadie, now you know what they say about em Jaffer assadi. Those that were here for the past three weeks will know those that will not hear Java

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Saudi is higher than musar. Isa Ibrahim is infallible, the Gambia. The Gambia cannot come close to the status of em jofra sodic jofra sodic is absolutely infallible. He is his status is like the status of the Gambia and even more when he throws from the sources, he doesn't draw from the source. He is the source Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam doesn't draw from a source he is the source of the Sunnah to the Shi I'm on Jaffa doesn't draw from the source, he is the source himself. Is there any comparison between the former HIV of the Aleutian on one end and image jofra Sadek. On the other hand, no Liam Jaffa Sadiq is something else out of this world, the Imams of the, of the Allah Sana,

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but little children when compared to someone of such high stature. So therefore they can be no comparison between these two here as well. And then third point on why are the differences and also why can we not equate the method of the Shia as a Jafari? mahabodhi for motherhood? Because how do we account for differences in the other motherhood amongst Allah so now, when I make Salah somewhat differently to the others, when I say Samia laulima and heavy handed and that raise my hands, when I say amin loudly and he says, I mean softly, when I tie my hands on my chest, and he ties his hands be there with labels, or he keeps it by side. All these are variant forms, all of which come in the

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sun, and how do we account for them? How do we account for them? Do we say that you know you Mambo hanifa

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he forged things from his own side, he makes up his own son, we don't ever say anything like that. He has a certain approach. They are a hadith which indicate that Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam raised his hands. They are a Hadith, which indicates that he didn't raise his hands. What do we say Abu hanifa says this is better to do. If you do the other, that's also fine. In which offices This is better to do you do the other that's also fine.

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So how do they account for one another, they account for one another in the adoption of different kinds of principles. They account for one another, in the sense that within the sooner you get very informed, this is also right and that is also right, you can go on on any of these two one. So sometimes it's a matter of a different principle that's adopted, for example, a certain Hadith, the Hadith morsel for example, Shafi says you can't use it except if a novela number of other factors are satisfied as well you know, Abu hanifa says you can use it by all means. So obviously in a case like that, he is going to have a different point exit point, you know, I'm sure he's gonna have a

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different one. But between the mother had this never the finger pointed that that must have is the corruption of the Hawk, we are the hawk alone that must have is a corruption No, there is never any such a thing. Therefore we will find that amongst them Allah, they are those they might be Hanafi they studied with shafia is they might be Maliki's, he studied anomalies. It happens all the time, because we are four rivers flowing out of the same out of the same source, exactly the same source. The differences are minimal. The differences are ones of either principle of interpretation or variation.

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When we come to the Shia, we asked them, Why are you different from the rest? Why do you make Salah on a stone that they don't Excel on a stone? Why do you have certain things in your face, which they don't have? They have a completely different way of accounting for this. How do we account for it? I mentioned once upon a time, the sheer evidence, absolutely different approach to Quran. They have an absolutely different approach to Sunnah. And they also have a very, very distinctly different approach to history. Their approach to history is one in which Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was living in Makkah with his family and a few very devoted followers.

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And they were living in a place where there's a lot of kuffar. Who are those go far? two levels of kuffaar. The first level of Kufa is Abu Khalid Abu lahab and everyone else, the other level of kuffaar don't go by the name of Kufa they go by the name Muna 15. And then names were Abu Bakar and Omar and of man. So you find the Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam Kobe, Muslim, Oliver Vitaly Khadija a few people in the call around them, they are those who claim to be Muslim, but they are not Muslim. These want to have a an around the outside of them. There is the entire CFO for out there. Then Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam makes his you know, he makes he comes to Medina and those who have been

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waiting 13 years in Makkah, they wait another 10 years, the moment Rasulullah Salallahu alaihe salam passes away, they take over a phase of Islam, they make themselves the believers and now what do they start doing now?

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The she I have a hadith which is a quote from him. I'm Jaffa rassada. And Allah knows idiom. jofra Sadiq never would have said something like this. But these are the kinds of things which they ascribe to the Imams of the human body. They said that a person came to him jofra sladek a person comes from jofra sodic and I'm quoting these things here, not from the books of some ancients here because we are sometimes told that don't quote from books don't eat what you don't believe everything that you get in a book. So it's a fine whose books must be then read. Good

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To Be A Better representative of modernity ism then I had Allah Khomeini. So we are quoting from Khomeini his own book. He's written a little book called attired on water. And those who know the subject of a solo thing, they will know that the adultery is one of the chapters within that subject. How do you reconcile differences when there are differences in the sources between different mahadi? How do you reconcile those sources in the Khomeini mentions a number of different principles, but it all boils down to two

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one of which he expresses in the following way.

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Imam Jaffa Sadek. Someone comes to him and asks him you know, I live in a city

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we have no cfrp we have no siolim

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the only Sunni Allah The only small little group of Shia of of Shia, there's no no no Adam to guide us. And we can't come to Medina all the time to come out here we live in very, very far away.

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So how do we go about if we need the answer to any particular question? He says he man jofra sodic tells him you go to the Sunni alum of your city. Go to the tsunami ask him what's the answer? Whatever answer he gives you do exactly the opposite.

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You must be the person who uses astonish as you are right now why exactly the opposite. Then he goes on to explain to him, he says that these people the Sahaba after the death of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam they left no stone unturned. Every little masala they corrupted, because it was the mission in life to corrupt to thwart the mission of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam every little masala they took they changed here they change their tell you eventually get what they get of people making Salah in this way, buying and selling in that way making nikka in a particular way. Why? How do they account for the tip of the husana they say this is the distortion. This is the corruption of the

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Sahaba Ravi Allah on whom and then have his work the original way that Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam left it with them. These are three reasons why we cannot simply dismiss the issue of the Shia and say it's just the fifth malherbe along with the other mother.

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First of all, what their sources are different. their hobbies are completely different from ours. Secondly, isn't the person to whom they describe themselves in Java sodic is not just a normal mushahid imaam he is a person who's higher than the Gambia he is not a source he is not drawing from a source he is the source and the last one How do they account for the fact that other motherhood exists? Well you know the Sahaba nabilone did all of these things. Therefore you find all of these other motherhood coming about they would be some of those would go to the extent of telling you today that all suddenly motherhood come from this year as how does that come about? They say mama

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Abu hanifah Rahmatullah Allah once upon a time said, Lola son, Attorney, La La Norman, if it wasn't for those two years, or normalcy Mambo hanifa that was his personal name. Norman would have been destroyed, Abu hanifa would have been destroyed. So what does that mean? Then they give an interpretation. They say Mr. Abu hanifa, went for two years and studied with him. jofra Saudi is during that time that he became an alum, Imam Jafar Sadek made him what he was. So then they go on and then Mr. Malik studied aneema Abu hanifa. Imam Shafi studied on Lima money and even amasa ma ma ma v. So the Shafi mother Hanafi mother, homily mother, Maliki mother, all of them come from the

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Shia.

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It might sound convincing to those who do not know. But Abu hanifah Rahmatullah YALI. His teacher was Hammadi when he saw a man whose teacher was al chama, and guess what even is either Nakai was TJ, sorry Ibrahim and Nakai was teachers welcome as far as what he as he was teacher was Abdullah Masood, the place where Abu hanifah Rahmatullah Lee used to teach in the masjid of Kufa was the same for the demand that a Naboo like massage used to teach at the flick of Abu hanifa is a fork of Ibrahim and Naka is a fork of Abdullah Assad. And as for the other mother, he he mama Shafi Ramadan Leia, they come from Makkah, where he studied in the Muslim even Holly The zenji was studied under

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even jurij who studied under hatha who studied under a bus. Mr. Malik comes from Medina, where he studied under his teachers, Robbie and others were the students of of seven fuqaha of Medina were the students of the Sahaba Viola on them. This is where these people studied. And this whole story of two years, where does he come from? First of all, there is no good historical source for Didi Mambo honey if I ever say something of the time, if he did say something of the kind is no mention in the story itself of Java. Towards the end of his life, Imam Abu hanifa Rahmatullah Ali was asked, was almost forced by the soul father, the Holy Father time to become the cause he refused. They

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said, if we don't become the kadhi we're gonna throw you into jail. Then what did he do next? He fled from the end. He went to a living hedges for a while, but you must look at it. Who is this Abu hanifa He's an alum of such high stature that they wanted to make him the chief justice. He wasn't some unlit

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That little fellow that had to go to Medina and be told the job for a Saudi, he was already the great alum of his time. These are the kinds of issues the kinds of statements that the she I will use to attract the young stuff that listen say all these Sunni mother had come from us. You know, all your imams really studied under the Imams of the unknown bite. That brings us to our probably the last topic for tonight. What is this thing of the link between the Shia and the unknown by it?

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They, you as I said, the foundation is called a hill bait foundation of South Africa. Much is made out of the fact that the sheep are follow Who the hell bite whether they say these great yams from Ali and his wife fathima. Then there was a mom Hassan, the new mom Jose in the new I'm saying the IBD and they say we follow these people of the rule bite.

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The first thing that we say to that is that the Ahlul bait is much wider than just Ali Hassan, Hassan and fathima. In terms of the idea which we read and discuss last week, the whys of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam are part and parcel of the animal bait. Hello bait people of the house who live in Dallas first of all the wives. We find that saying that word that applicant in the description they have a lot of applied it to say nae Brahim Ali Salaam when he barely had any children rahmatullahi wa barakatuh alikum ahlulbayt in no hamidah Majeed and who was a little better that time

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see the hard job and he smiled already gone to Makkah it was only Ibrahim and Saba and his heart wasn't even born because that was the time when they came to give the glad tidings that his heart also will be born only Ibrahim his wife Allah tala called alone by so first thing that we say about this is that the wise must be part of the Ahlul Bayt do the CR follow the have respect even for the wives of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam some of them may claim to love. Not everyone, they have an exceptional hatred against the either meaning eyeshadow, the Aloha and meaning say the half settle the low on Hawaii because this is the daughter of a walker and that's the daughter of Omar while the

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Allahumma

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in the Quran,

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there was a case similar to know a lot dynamics mentioned when false accusations were brought against her either I said on the low on her a lot I did not leave it there. The Manasa t in in Medina we're making false accusations against the chastity of our mother sorry the eyeshadow below on her a lot Allah did not live with the surah to nor was revealed in which he was it was made clear for each and every one for all and sundry that Ayesha is the wife of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, a hobby sartorial hobby fene while hobby soon a new hobby third was

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been

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a bad, bad woman for bad men, bad men for bad woman, pure women for pure men, and who can be pure then Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, therefore who can be purer than the wife of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam Allah, Allah revealed these Ayat of surah, to nor to defend, say the eyeshadow Viola on how to make it clear to everyone that she is above any kind of question, any suspicion, that is, if you look at our books, that are also known as Yama, go to the Hadeeth books and the Tafseer books of this year, go to the Tafseer of surah Toad nor and read those IR and read what Tafseer they give on it, they have a completely different take. I said many times, they have a very

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different approach when it comes to the Quran, history and everything else. Listen to one of the forms in which history has been distorted to serve the purpose of the Shia. They say yes, there was an accusation that was made.

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But who was the one who made the accusation?

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I was the one who made the accusation they say, and also the LA sallallahu wasallam. All of his children were born from Oman. What means I either have to be alone with the exception of one Ibrahim,

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the son of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam he was born of Maria and cubilia. The care via go on the Shia Hadid say that when Ibrahim was born Ayesha was so jealous because she couldn't give Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam a child, but Maria gave him a child. So I should say the shell is not Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam his child. And therefore Allah Allah revealed these I have to show that this Ayesha is this evil woman who makes accusation against other wives. This is how interpretation of the Quran is distorted Hadith is forged to serve the same purpose and the seal of the Quran becomes come something completely different to the Shia than what it is to the hollow sadhana. No stone was

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left unturned. Even this case here we a lot Allah spoke clearly in defense of the virtue and chastity of say the eyeshadow the Alo on how they've changed. We come back, however, to the issue of who is the bait. Now when we look

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after signal Hussein, who are the Imams, it's only the nine imams that after is going to be the first one

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live in hosseinzadeh in Liberia and thereafter Mohammed Al Baraka thereafter. jofra Sadiq live after moussaka in there after Ali arriva, they after Mohammed Al Jazeera then Ali Al Hadi, then Hassan lasqueti. And then the final 12 imams who say went into hiding when they speak about the allenbury. They only speak about these figures whose names I've mentioned 14 persons. Who are those 14 persons. The 12 Imams and faulty model the allawah Hannah father sallallahu wasallam. This is the concept of avalonbay to them. What about all the other descendants of sinal? Hassan? Hassan even Ali, what about his descendants? Not Alone, but why not a little bit? Because the descendants of Hassan even

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Holly, who?

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They're not here they are.

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Where do you find them all over the Muslim world, go to Morocco. Go to Morocco, the rulers the idrisi rulers of Morocco while the children of Al Hassan Ali, Vitali brother, the Alolan, who go elsewhere in the Muslim world, you will find scores and scores of Descendants hundreds of 1000s of Descendants from the line of Satan al Hassan Ali, what are they here on is they are an Asana so therefore they cannot be regarded as part of the annual budget. And what about each of these imams we said only these this particular line, those imaams also had children. Those in arms, they those nine people from the line of Hosein. Let's say for example, aliwal Hossein zainul hobbit in the

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first one of you I'm saying who they say his daddy mom.

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I told you the story some time ago of his son's aid. See the Allen Bade used to live in were in Medina. They used to live in Medina, they didn't travel out until the time of Emma Muhammad and back up to him jafra Saudi, they did not travel, Musab Calvin as well. They remained in Medina, they remain in Medina for a reason. They remain in Medina because twice in the history, they had been severely, severely disappointed, betrayed by the Shia themselves. The ones who in this era of Kufa has told Hussein come to Cova we will support you. And when Hussein came, they did not support him. In fact, they turned against him. That was in the year 60 after the hegira. And then in the year

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121. Almost 60 years later, another similar event took place. Zaid evens in the hobbit in once again, led a revolt against the oma yet, and 40,000 sheets of Kufa gave him the 40,000 people of Google said we are following you. At the last moment just before the Jihad was supposed to start. They came to him and say we got a question to ask you. So what's your question? They said we want to know what's your opinion on Abu Bakr and Omar? He says these two men were the ministers the Prime Ministers of my grandfather sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, Fatah, Allahumma, amin Huma, I have nothing but good to say about them. I do not dissociate myself from these two persons Abu Bakr and Omar

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40,000. She turned back on the heels, they say that is what you say we will not support you. You are not our him. Zaid ibn Ali Adnan Hussein for two or 300 men, only 300 men and he became Shahid on that day, who was it who betrayed him, these very same people who betrayed his grandfather before him. So therefore, the Imams of the FBI used to restrict themselves to Medina, they did not travel. When they traveled about and he, he heard what people are saying about that. He was astonished. He says, I never had this from my father, using my father's any mom would teach us people that he's higher than the Gambia and as haba like this, and those people are like that. My father never taught

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me this. So the she a person who was asking this question to the person told him, You see, your father knew that he was going to teach you these things, you would reject it, so he didn't teach you. So you are ignorant and FEMA can tell you Allah, my son didn't know. So please, let's go to Jenna. This is the kind of statements that they make. Now all those other children have a little bite, what do they say about them? A few years ago, we had a Bosnian Ali Mia.

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And he he visited us at the MDC, and it was brought to his attention that the MDC you know

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they not too friendly with the Shia. So it said people you know the days this the times in which we live today,

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can we start certain waste our time on issues like this, we need unity. We can still certain bicker about shiana lasuna and all of these things. So I told him and by the way he was a Hosseini say it is well you're the center of zainul Hussain so I had with me on that day I just happened to have have a copy of an coffee with me. So I told him you know, I take what you hear what you say it's very importantly we must have this unity. And I also realize that you are a descendant of saina Hussein, if

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you are a descendant of Allah sallallahu sallam, but you are the son. He says Yes, I'm a Sunni. So I asked him, please listen to this hadith from our coffee. I'm reading to you from our coffee and I read to him the hadith of McAfee says, any descendant of the unknown bait, who is not a Shia is going to get double the punishment that you and I are going to get.

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So he says I didn't know that. He says, I didn't know

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That say well there it is. It's for reasons such as these that we feel that the spread of Shiism in societies such as ours here is going to be bad. But over and above that the she claimed to love the Ahlul bait the only love 14 persons from the alone by always the rest can go on go to jahannam and get double the punishment that they deserve over there. Why? Because they don't follow this particular line of 14 persons.

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to round up, there's one other important issue that has no wish to bring up but she has given me only one hour tonight.

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This one other important issue is that all these ahaadeeth we just are having the books, all these ahaadeeth which they have, is this really the main hub of the debate. Now they fake when they make Salah on the stone, and they do all the other things. They do it because the Imams instructed them, those instructions of the Imams that there are Hadith that you will find it in their books, the books which I mentioned before AlkaViva ly alpha VB scripts are four of the main ones there are many other ones as well.

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Are these really the things that are all beta ddmm, Java SE all these kinds of things Dyneema Mohammed Al Baraka make these kinds of statements with our listener have a very difficult very hard time accepting the, the descendants of our Nabi sallallahu alayhi wa sallam could ever say things of this nature.

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How do we account for it?

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we account for it in the following way.

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The imams primarily

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up to jofra sodic muscial Calvin, up to Mr. Muscle Calvin that's about 780 mums, out of the out of the 12 they stayed only in Medina and the followers way with the follow was not in Medina, the followers were living in him up hundreds of kilometers away, far away they were living. Now, what used to happen, those fellows used to come to Medina from time to time and then they returned from there they come and tell everyone what the Imam said this the Imam said that the Imam said that when they ascribed all of these things to these imams of the Ahlul Bayt when they said that he jofra said those are your Mohammed Al Baqarah said that or Hema Musa al Kadhim said how truthful worthy The

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question is how truthful worthy you are as a Shia they will say that they were extremely truthful.

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But you asked us to Allah Sunnah won't say there's something which makes us worried here. There's something which makes us worried led just for a quick moment look at something she found is the Imam of the masjid here. Let's assume we are living back in the Middle Ages when there was no

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there was no modern communications. Now people come to this Masjid the year that Imam of the mosque is speaking. Let's say there are five fellows. Each one of these fellows is a confounded liar.

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Each one goes back to his little doggie from the car where it comes from. And they go there and they go and they even say, you know, she can find said this, Van said that, but they are lying. For our purposes. Right now we are saying they are lying. My question to you would be this. Are they always going to be in agreement with one another? Will they be conflicting? Will you have conflicting versions of what the man said here? All we have all of them saying the same thing, when the fact is that they're making it up? What will be the outcome you have?

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Will they be harmony between their versions will be conflict?

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Obviously there's going to be conflict. So then I asked you to go with me to the very first page of the book does Ebola calm one of the four major books of this year? On the very first page of that book, the author of the book about jafra Tosi? He writes in and he says that the Karani Babu has had enough we had the thinner warmer waka Rafi him in lft Luffy whatever the

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whatever you want he has a lie aka the tough eco Hadith on Illa Wahby is E ma you will not do while aka do yes no Mohan Illa Wolfie macabre Li ma you Holly for her. He says that our hardy the reason why I'm writing this book he says because our heart is the heartbeat of the car as follows. There is such a lot of internal contradiction in our heart if he says that you can barely find a single heartbeat that is not contradicted by another.

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Is this the ilium of the FBI that the CRB is the mouth hub upon? Or is this the fanciful imagination of a group of people who thought it's okay to lie. You can make up things just ascribing to the family of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam and it's fine you know, as long as we're thinking I'm Java said it, it will move it will go it will sell people will adapt to it.

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They forge these ahaadeeth were sitting in kofa setting income far away from the Imam, so much so when the Imams afterwards used to yell of the statements that people are ascribing to them, they would say that learn Allah, Allah Allah, Allah Allah Allah, Allah Allah Allah Allah, Allah Zora, even iron is one of the most prolific narrators of this year.

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One of the most prolific narrators, he narrates several several ahaadeeth from the Imams of the Hello Beatty, one of the main narrators when he ma'am jofra Sati heard of the kind of things that he's describing to him you know I'm jofra said my Allah cassara three times he said Melaka surah you go to the Shia today you say, ask him about Zora say I was all very good narrator one of those upon whom our Hadeeth as they say, one of the pillars of narration when we asked them, but what about the fact that he Ma'am, jofra sorry, cuz this person calls What are, they said, you know, in those days, it was very, very difficult.

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It was very difficult because if the government knew that Serato was even Java was man, they would have given him a hard time, the special brands would have paid him a visit or something like that. So even Java cursing just some people mustn't think that's my man. He cursed him just some people must think is just one of those among Java kirsteen. java curse him they have a cover up story for that as well. And these are the people this kind of person called Zora even Aryan, the kind of person called Abu Bassil, almoradi, and a number of others. These are the these people upon whose integrity the Hadith of the Shi Rs. It is these people who ascribe words to the Imams of the human

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body. I leave you with a final thought. The final thought is that once upon a time, there was a law school. His name was Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. He had a group of people around them, they call the Sahaba. They're called the mohajir. Owner. They are called the unsolved this year. I have a very big problem with these people. They say these people are the ones who lied and will forge and falsely ascribe a hadith Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi salam, they say a chap like Abu hurayrah How can a fellow only stay two years in a company of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam narrate over 5000 a hadith. What they don't tell you is they have a Ravi he is called jab, but even he has

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either geography this particular person claims to know right? Not 5000, not 10,000 30,000, a hardy for Mohammed elbakyan alone. Then they say these are the people who need Hadith. These are the people who preserve the legacy of the family of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam. What is his legacy of Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam? Is it all these a hardy that we have in the books of the husana which are rigorously submitted to a process of criticism before we can say this hadith is so high, we are personally Mambo Hari Rama to lie Ali will take 15 to 20 years, checking each Hadeeth scrupulously before he puts it in the book of is because things cannot just be ascribed to those who

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do Allah sallallahu wasallam just because you feel it must be done, where this process of authentication is going on right up to the present day. On the other hand, we have the Shia ascribed things to those who don't love sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and if it happens to contradict one another, that he I have a very, very unique explanation as well. When they are asked how come your heartbeat are so contradictory. They have an answer. This book that I was quoting from Tavi Bula, calm and a shortened version, at least absolve him of tele Femina lock bar, they have very unique ways of explaining the differences. They say you see if you have to Hadith the Imam says this ma mom

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says that you must understand. On day one, when the Imam said this, then there was a Sunni present in the gathering. So in a man you love is through really.

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It if the if there was a Sunni presence, or the Imam made the clear, they made a clear and stayed in line with our lasuna just saw that Sunni mustn't get wrong ideas and run to the government. But on the second day, they will only see our place and therefore he gave it as it is supposed to have been. There is a four volume book is volume consisting of 500 odd pages, saying things of this nature, that four volume book is the smallest of the four books of this year, that book is devoted to explaining away these differences. Now these differences are the kind of things that they won't teach you when you go to the retrode. These are the things that the she I won't be telling you,

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either because they are unaware of it, or because if they are aware of it, it doesn't make good sense to put issues of this nature in front of a public, it doesn't make for very, very good propagation of propaganda. Therefore it won't be said, our mission here is to look at those things not to shy away from it. And then to tell us here friends on the other side of the divide, you have a lot of internal dialogue to do. You have a lot of things to come to terms with. Once you comes to you come to terms with those issues there. Once you have sorted out your internal house, then you might come to us and we might have dialogue. But while your house is in the kind of disarray that it

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is, while your malherbe rests upon the transmission of liars whom the imaams by themselves goes publicly several times.

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As long as you go on with that I think you have got very little right what you have no right whatsoever to come to us and tell us and our children, you must convert to the mother Baba who will buy. Why because it's not the mahabhava

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rule by whose mother Hobbes, he is the mother of those people who claim to be the followers of the heroine bite. And who calls them the Imams themselves because these people were not in Sunni books in the books of the Shia themselves to cover up for it. They have the most ludicrous kind of stories but this is what she has is all about.

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And hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah