Session 45 The Punishment for Adultery
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The Hadith numbers and meaning in the Bible are important, and authenticment to back to the Prophet is emphasized. Law and authority in decisioning life is also emphasized. The speakers discuss various cases of abuse and stoning, including a woman who committed a suicide and a man who committed a suicide. The importance of law and authority in decisioning life is emphasized, along with the use of words like "back together" and "back at night" to describe sexual experiences. The speakers also touch on the history of the Prophet's comments on women's actions and the need for moratorium on all aspects of Islam. The potential impact of the coronavirus on their business and the need for a more flexible workforce are also discussed.AI Generated Transcript ©
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manner, however, La Quwata illa Billahi, Lolly loving,
after praising Allah, Lord of the worlds and sending Peace and blessings on his prophet muhammad sallallahu Sallam and his family and companions and all those who follow them
and same salons to you.
We ask Allah as always, to accept from us.
Indeed, it is only with Allah accepting our deeds and wiping away our sins and giving off his
limitless mercy that we have any chance but we have great hope in the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate that through his mercy that we will gather together one day, inshallah in Jannah together
and
see, Allah subhanaw taala on that day,
Allah may Allah give us from that favor and bounty of his
and all the boundaries is given us in this world, which we cannot recount even if we were to sit in numerating them from morning till night. We couldn't
lower up to him.
Dear Brothers and Sisters, it's time for the next studies I think, you know, Hadith number
14 Is it you know?
So
Al Hadith Robbie, I should say, ma'am, now he says an ignoramus all in another Allahu Anhu Paul, Allah rasool Allah He sallallahu alayhi wa salam, Leia, Hilo de mummery in Muslim in in LA via the last
essay he was earning when neffs will be next with equally the hill MOFA report in JAMA
Allahu Bihari were Muslim.
So 14 Cadiz and he says that from a blood and muscle to Dylon level of replace within the messenger of allah sallallahu Sallam he said
that the spilling of blood of a Muslim
here is forbidden illegal except in one of three situations.
The married person committing adultery
a life for a life
and one who leaves their deen and
abandons or for six the community
portugu Bihari Muslim,
this hadith is a shorter this. But it is of course naturally when he's talking about life and death recently, you can understand why No, we included it in these 40 or so all this collection count. We were going to understand that such an important idea
before I go into it, and it's a very tricky leaf.
And you'll see
when we look at some of the expositions from the classical scholars some of the
opinions in some aspects of this hadith
some opinions which we will find very uncomfortable, and not uncomfortable, because
we don't understand we're not used to it but uncomfortable from an Islamic point of view.
But we'll get to that. Before I go looking at
it in more detail I want to as I normally do, and I was aware of Ibn Rajab, as well give you some of the other versions of this hadith. Yeah, of this hadith. And I think similarly with it given the same meaning. Yeah, I will, perhaps
a different facet of meaning, or different shape, or perhaps a little more detail or perhaps a little less detail. Yeah. So I'll mention those a hadith. Now, before I do the analysis and look at the analysis of those who went before and presently, so of course, he said, Buhari or Muslim. We should go look at Al Bihari Suhail, Mojave and I say Muslim and see what the words are there. And we find the words to be as he mentioned, some dots specifically are the words in
in Sahih Muslim that he's mentioned.
If I mentioned to you inside Muslim, for example.
Another version of the same Hadith, also from a black number sold here because the transmitters reported with slightly different words. Yeah. Either because it was said and they paraphrasing Yeah, remember, they're giving the meaning of what they understood. So which or are we gives which version, but the meaning will be similar, very important. And when it comes from Saba
saying a similar thing then how they've understood it from the Prophet so some people understood it as well as some are summarizing, giving you a shortened version of summer giving you more details. So there's no contradiction in that. As long as the the wreath itself is authentic to back to them. So under this version, it says lie a hill Lu tamuning. A Muslim in Yes, shatel Allah, Allah in the law illallah wa ennemi Rasul Allah, here's the difference. It is not
permissible to protect the life of any Muslim who declares that is no god but Allah, that the that I am the messenger of Allah. Yeah, that's the extra bit here.
means the same thing doesn't change any meaning in law. That's the less accepting three situation. So you present exactly what needs to be next what technically, Dini Hill Morpha, who will just save the rest of it is the same. The three cases, another version,
which is also in Sahih, Muslim, and it's also from a US all again, and in this he says, Abdullah says, Alma fina Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi. Salam, one day the Messenger of Allah, he stood upon amongst us meaning to give a sermon. Yes. And he said, Art for Paul will levy La Ilaha variable
by Him
whom there is no God, no other God.
And then he carries on law. Yeah, he'll do them. Right, Julian muslimin. Roger Lin, you're the one who said Oh rain, which means a person gradual. I've talked about this before and I talked about in a recent presentation if you were there, the idea radio doesn't mean here just a man it means a person even though the masculine regulator is being used of the other person who's Muslim. Not allowed to spill that look, who declares again yesterday Allah Allah illallah wa ne Rasul Allah Rasul Allah in Lhasa Lhasa except in three Lhasa to refer in
three kinds three groups of people. What are they attacked equal Islam, one who leaves Islam, Al methodical little java and and
D deserves the community.
And then, as I say he was Zanni when Neff Sabinus. Same thing as the other one. The married person commits adultery and life for a life. This one a Muslim, and Muslim says similar hadith is also reported from Aisha many bloody Allahu anha
For it remember that what Muslims says that become relevant later?
Another one from abdominal muscle this report is similarly in by Imam Tirmidhi
here and here. He says lie Hulu documentary Muslim in again with the shahada yesterday Legler high level Omni Rasul Allah Illa Bianca Salas. The rest of it is the same as the other Hadith, in Muslim and Bihari but Imam Tirmidhi also notice says Paul was filled bag and postman what I shatter what evening Abbas Nadia Lavon boom, Allah visa, Hadith ignoramus old in Hadith al Hassan of Sai lust park just telling you that it's authentically saying under the same topic, we have a Hadith from of man and
and in the Abbas got the alarm anyway and how much money again, which is important to remember and as he says that in fact, I can
mention to you
the hadith of Guzman, which is reported in unnecessary
When did was murder in the AFON mentioned this hadith that gives you a context actually.
The Tabby he who's reporting saying yeah, two of them, Abdullah in the army in Nairobi and
Omar ibn Sal they said all that they said both of the Qunar models learn we were with us man in their fan Robbie Allah who were who were masked Sauron and he was under siege this is just before was mine there Fern was killed when he was a leaf. For those you know a little bit of this story. And it basically goes on commencement but talisman Yeoman for Maharajah all he entered into his place and then he came out towards staying in a home later where Adoni Bill otter is saying they are threatening to kill me. He's talking about Muslims. They're threatening to kill me volna yet fika whom Allah so the reporter is saying we said to him, Allah is enough for you. Meaning Don't worry.
On a Fannie Mae to loan money. You have to loan me while they want to kill me. Submit total Sula, Allah He sallallahu alayhi salam when I heard the Messenger of Allah Allah Islam say you're cool, like the Hulu documentary gray Muslim in in La vida Celeste, when I heard him said that no one is likely able.
No one you're not gonna lie a hill, it is not allowed. You're not permitted to take the life of a Muslim except in three situations. So he's applying it to his context. Now you see. So he's given a summary of the Hadith as he remembers it from the prophesy Salam saying they
simply say three situation. Raji alone. Kapha Islami, he was a person who does score after that Islam. Yeah. And here notice he doesn't make mention and and, and renegades all disowns or desserts, the community it isn't mentioned that
says fun about the Islami him. Yeah, so he's summarizing, oh, is that about the ehsani he or he does. He commits adultery after marriage, or Catala have some bigger enough's or kills,
protects the life of a person without the issue of life for a life.
For Wallah, he goes off mankind is on and says by Allah Marzano to feed Jallianwala Islam I didn't do any adultery. Not in even in Jaha Lee and everyone in Islam will ask them a NATO Emily batini battle and Moon zoo Hello Nia, Allah. Dan, Daniel. I've never desired to have any other Deen aside from Islam after Allah guided me wala Patil to nevsun Folly Maya Angelou nanny and I never killed another person's Why did they want to kill me
so hard Allah
is beautiful words of you know what he's finding the situation is finding himself and
so I mentioned that Tirmidhi said the hadith is also reported from Muslim besides the learning for Sunni itself also said I sharpen
the saw the the hadith of OMO movement isononyl Delana and
going to mention to you comes in a holdout and the say
remember the issue is three situations which have been mentioned in the Hadith so far about a believer leaving their deen and separating or disowning the GEMA the community Yeah.
All of them nearly of medicine that except the Hadith was man, and then mentioning a married person committing adultery and a life for a life All right. So now all mopinion isopropyl, Anna says,
and that I saw soul allah sallallahu Alaihe Salam upon the Messenger of Allah Islam he said, La Jolla, hallo that mummery in Muslim in
it is not permissible to take the life of a believing person or Muslim person in LA be at Bethel except under philosophy silent, except in three situation three cases. Zahn in mosques and on your gym day.
The
adultery married person committing adultery is stoned, meaning they're killed. Oh like to learn catalana Ghulam Muhtar Amidon or a person killing another person on purpose. Yeah.
Murder to the first degree in other words,
for your time that person's kill them then life for a life. Remember again summarizing because remember, I'll come to later in the Quran. That's not the only option for that is Oh,
yeah. Islam. Listen to this one. Or a person who leaves Islam. You have Ebola as though Joel? Yeah.
declaring war and Allah. Yeah. What are solar who and his messenger for yoke? tallow for yoke? tallow, so he is killed? Oh, you're SLUB or crucified? Oh, Eun feminine or
even feminine art? Or he is banished from the land? Or he or she is.
So notice almost any nicer giving a bit more detail into the one leaving Islam. Yeah. And she adds to it, declaring war and Allah and His messenger. What happens in that case, in similarly, she mentions in, in Abu Dhabi, which is the same, both are authentic as well. And it has basically the same meaning as the other one, Raj just makes it in the SACD.
Okay.
Those are interesting and important to remember, you see how
when you're talking about the same topic, the same Hadith, the same ideas from the Prophet SAW Islam, it's out and as long as we corroborate that, these are the authentic it then gives deeper analysis and picture of the issue as well.
So,
if we look at
in the outset,
let us say
that the Hadith perspective, it's coming from
Which Imam tofi brings up actually more than even among other way in a short exposition Obon Rajim
is to start with the idea of life being sent.
Yeah, life should not be taken of any being
that
life is so nobody has a right to take the life of another human being. Yeah. So that's where that's why it starts with law. Yeah, hello, it is forbidden, prohibited. And then it gives three exceptions. So the original part of it is money and prohibition in taking life, which is the hustle,
which is the very foundation of existence. Yeah. The exceptions are there remote exceptions. But otherwise,
what it's saying is, the general rule is life is sent.
And that's what I love about law says we're allowed to not undersell that the Harlem Allahu Allah will have and do not kill a person that Allah has forbidden you to take the life of a personal doer. Illa Bill hot, except Except on the base.
is the justice yeah that is another word. There justice is not for you to decide it is for the government or the courts and judges to decide that which is in other words according to the law
we may or may yep two minute motor Amidon for Jessa, who Jahannam Holly then fee her whoever kills a believer on purpose then the recompense is Hellfire Holly that fee ha they will dwell in it forever and ever. And Allah subhanaw taala goes on further in other chronic Iots that want to mention for example, the last one out Allah says in surah Alma EDA
verse
yeah set you to mean
mean actually that he could have been
Bernie straw II know
what Allah has be wide enough seen alphas being filled out. I will first fill out the FAFSA and otter lend
me
therefore We ordained for the children of Israel. Yeah. ordained in past scriptures that don't mean to say it only applies to children and Israel and ours again that we can go no carry on. That he who kills Yeah, a single person. Yeah, unless it is out of
meaning a life for a life, out of murder, or out of corruption spread in the earth.
These are again to be decided by the authority of by you and me.
It is as though he or she had killed the whole of humanity.
Were men Afia have burqa women FDR halfacre.
Sir Jeremy
and indeed,
one who saves a life shall be as if he or she had given life to the whole of humanity Subhan Allah.
So that is the Quran talking about the sanctity of life.
So that's the foundation and the place where we start before we look at the exceptions. So when we look at exceptions I want to first look at as a US Attorney, because that's what the Hadith mentions as the first case of person
being permitted to be killed according to the Hadith, a fee was only
the married person
who commits adultery
and see what first the other Allama have to say like No, no, he says, a failure what is so you know, how do you mentor Zawada? Well, what are Phoenix kneecap?
Saheeh
one who is married and then
then they're having the the sexual relationship in the marriage and then they do adultery so Marzano but the Dalek when you find out who your job or your job that person is then stoned.
That's what he mentioned about that very briefly to free goes on. And he says
in regards to the person who is
the married person who is
stoned he says there's if they laugh or not suffer Haha, that's what he goes into as to whether the married person who is stoned is to be first last as well. And then stoned or just last and he says that the that Imam admits opinion is that
the Huskies first, but the Jehol Viola which Shafi of Hannah Bella and Hannah free to disagree with him I've met and they say that
when the court
I mentioned
the Quran as we have it only mentioned the 100 last case for adultery
the stoning comes from the Prophet salallahu Salam Yeah.
So
it tries to bring the last thing from the Quran and take the stoning from what the prophet besides the limited can combine them together. Yeah. So the other majority of the Allah ma they say no when you look at the Prophet size to them and you see the authentic hadith of the three or four cases where the stoning was done, you will find the prophesy slump did not order the 100 lasses first bargain. Yeah, but just stalling just story
so that's what he mentioned in that regard. And
he also mentions
that Omar Roby Allahu Allah mentions in authentic statement
that the stoning
issue
even though it's not in the Quran, as we have it now on would have been the hubbub famously mentioned and I'll come to in it in a short while but too few mentions it that would have said that there was a reverse revealed by Allah subhanaw taala, to do with the stoning. Yeah, to do with stoning. I have to merge them as it's called, and I have stoning. And it was then abrogated. Yeah, it was abrogated.
Just it was abrogated the saying in the words the words were taken away. Yeah. So this is an issue that we need to look at as well. And then he mentioned two feet from the Sunnah authentic hadith to support the Jehovah opinion against the
opinion of that Atma dunya humble that for the married adulterer if you're just starting not both
the lashing and the stoning
even Roger,
when he comes to this issue
he also mentions the the statement of Ebola or been hooked up to the law and which I'll come to in a moment and
yeah,
he mentions also hadith of Oba bin Salman
Oba IGNOU sermon what are the companions and there's a hadith which is in Sahih Muslim
Yeah, which also industry supports the idea of what accommodate number said that they married adultery, adultery in person shall be lost and stolen because in this hadith, Obama had given some sign that says all of us to lie some Allah Salam Yeah, hello Anthony hello and may take from me tech from the pod the journal Allah hula hoop nursery, la Nestor Vela, Allah has made a way a new way for them. In other words,
because in the same Hadith it mentions that initially, the ruling came in the Quran. Yeah, that for the married adulterating person and the woman should be
actually kept at home
kept at home.
Yeah, that was until death comes upon them. But this was abrogated. So NAFTA, with the IRA, which came in the Quran, but in the Hadith, it mentions that that the prophesy Islam said Al Aqsa Vela albick will pick Yeah, Julie,
Julie that Mia.
What every job that if it's not might person with a normal person but they are given 100 lashes. Yeah, and exiled for a year as well.
And for the married person with the made person but they are Julie that Mia what Rajyam
they are given 100 lassies and rajim. But
majority the Allah must say that this was abrogated by practice of ruthless Allah, Allah in this city.
Give the judgment outfall there was no lashing given there was only the stoning in those cases. I
Now,
if you look at the cases of the stoning
In fact, you find
in a handful that there are in majority of the cases, if you look at the the case of mark is, for example,
with Tony authentic hadith, and the
and the woman who came confessing, yeah,
you'll find the profit side Salam turning away from the when they came
turning away from the person
coming with the confession. If my stories are really interesting, and it's a long story, my eyes came
saying, Give me the judgment and the prophets are some turned away.
And in one version, or at least told him to go away and do Toba
which is really the idea.
So the person might is
he came back again. The Prophet sarsam told him to go away again.
Because he kept coming back.
peroxisome then asked him one time, he said,
Is he inebriated? Is he'd been drinking alcohol. Meaning is not, you know, keeps coming back. And I've told him to go away to do Tober so the people said, No, he's not. He's not it doesn't drink and he's not drunk. So and another time when he came to publicize them said ask the others is image known
as he got some screws loose, meaning you know that he keeps coming back and I told him
in the end, no, they said he's not imaginable. And he kept on coming back and insisting. And the Prophet SAW Islam give the the order for him to be stoned. And the Sahaba who took him out for him to be stoned. Yeah, they took him out and then because they began stoning him, he ran away.
But some of them didn't leave him even when he ran away. They went after him until they stoned and killed him.
Two things happen after that when they came back and pull the prophets Allah salah and the prophesized love said when he because when it started nissel, when they started tilting the stone, it hurt, he ran off. So they said why do you when he run away, just leave him
Subhanallah secondly, why he did the pocket size when he talked to the family and this man is had been adopted by one of the Sahaba who lived out in Medina. And he seemed to have been who would encourage them to come. So he had worked with that family and the father stepfather and said, Why did you send him to me?
Why did you send him to me in the first place, it would have been better for you to cover up and for him to do Toba.
So this was the way of Rasulullah Salah Salem and the same with the woman who came back and then she came back. Pregnant prophesized some they use that as an excuse to go away.
Yeah, until the child is delivered but he's not telling him that she has to come back but she came back then he told to go away again until the child is when he came back again insisting she wanted the judgment. Yeah, so the final result publicize them
give them some that's in in that regard now.
mentioned what this issue of
would have been hotdog or the Allahu n
is in regards to this issue. Because
Oh over said and this is Hadith authentic intermarry.
If the Abbas reports Ahmed bin Khattab sank, all in Allah hubba Assam Muhammad sallallahu alayhi salam and Bill Hawk, surely Allah sent Muhammad, peace and praise of Allah be upon him with truth what ends Allah Allahu Kitab and he sat down upon him the book mean the Quran for Cana FEMA and Zillah li rajim. And what was in the revelation of Quran was the idea of Brazil of stoning for Raja Mara su Lai SallAllahu Sallam and Prophet and Messenger of Allah Sunday drosha What agenda and we've done Rajim practice the the the law of rhythm of stoning, but the who after he was in the hydrophone and your tool I've been nervous and afraid that as time goes on with people, yeah. And you told me
nurses and then as time goes by
As time goes on, people will say for your car alone a person will say Lana Gee do Rajim vikita Billa we don't find stoning in the book of Allah for your bill Looby turkey for read that in Angela love Oh, and therefore he says
that they will be misguided. Yeah.
So they'll be misguided by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed what in the Rajyam half and he says For surely stoning is true alignment, Zina is either Asana or Karma can Bayona O'Connor Hello Oh actor off yeah it is
established for the one who is married and does adult three and four witnesses meaning are established or the person the woman is pregnant or there is an admission
Why am I getting this join the iCloud somebody's sending it to me. We're already on the iPad. Somebody sent me there
as offer somebody sent me your whatsapp saying join guide cloud Have they not sure
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apologies.
Okay, so that's the statement from
on top and similarly actually are the lovely Abbas Formula One or the other one. He says in us in the society which is reported in the say a blunderbuss he says Men Kefar rabid Rajim Kapha bill could N mean hate to lie after sip. Yeah, whoever disbelieves or reject stoning has rejected the Quran. Yeah.
And without without being aware.
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So he didn't close the verse from surah Allah either I am number 15, saying oh people of the book. Indeed, our messenger has come to you to clarify to you much of that which you are hiding in the book, meaning in your book, the Torah.
And then Abdullah Abdullah in their buses in context of Messiah and the story he says by Kana Raju mimma, mimma. Before he was was a stoning in the Torah that they were hiding, that they were hiding.
So
the story to do with that comes in other authentic a hadith actually, that
this was the the Jews in Medina and called the prophets Allah salam to make a judgment on on a couple from their community, not Muslims who are committed adultery, they were married. Yeah. A man and woman
and when they call the prophets, Allah Salam, the prophets are some KMB in with a convert from the Jewish community who was a rabbi, I forget the name notice I haven't got a story in front of me but I know the story from authentically
and when the Bronx hasn't came in, it came in he told the rabbis who were gathered to bring their color out and put it on a pillow after respect so they put it on the pillow and he told them to read from it.
So that meaning read from it the issue to do with adultery or my person so they read from it and the Convert Jew who's with the prophesy son whispered into the Protestantism a yada sola they've covered up and hidden the bit where, yeah, where it mentioned about stoning for the adultery, the adultery people, because it seems the families of these people were involved didn't want the judgment of the Tao Rasul. They were hoping they'll get a different judgment from the the ruler of Medina. Yeah. Which was the Prophet SAW Islam. He was the government. Yeah, and the Prophet as well. So they were willing to take that, but they were hiding that was, which was already in that book. So when he said
that, that's when the idea was revealed. And the Prophet SAW Islam judged, according to what was in there told Rob that they should be
If all the conditions are fulfilled that they should be stoned. So that was what a blood Abbas is talking about.
Yeah. However, it is interesting that it cannot be covered because the Ayat of Rajan
or not in the Quran that was in the Torah acts talking about stoning is not in the Quran. And further to that, let me mention something to you which makes an authentic hadith
from Ahmad rubeola Juan and reported in Atmos al Musnad and mum and the salary reports in his
collection and it is interesting and Kathy even
even his son if you didn't assault on can
scratching paper or
blowing their nose or something
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so
salt he says can I say the Bill asks was a double slab it two of them say they will ask Sanjay the bill sabot yet to bandel Must office they're the ones who used to write the Quran.
Yeah, there were there were
two of the famous scribes of the Quran for Maru Allah ha the hill area and they came across this area for policy. So they even survey is saying
symetra stole Allah He sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Yahoo as che who was shaking her toe is Zina Yeah, funny to mu Houma.
Zaid said I heard the Messenger of Allah recite this if The Old Man and the old woman if they do adultery then stone them both.
Stone number was the judgment
for Carla Omar. Omar Radi Allahu
Herdade saying this look for Omar said llama on Zillow attained to attain to Rasul Allah Rasul Allah He sallallahu alayhi wa sallam when this was revealed, he said, this, yeah, I went to the messenger of allah sallallahu alayhi wa salam because they actually that in the presence writing the chronic IR and posing the question Is this part of the Quran? So almost is I went to the Messenger of Allah and I said, almost said for cookie
cutter, adaptable, Neha
Shall I write this Aya meaning make you part of the Quran
for the hookah carry had their link
and the profit some disliked it, he said it says though the prompts have disliked that I write it so he didn't write it. In other words, for Carla said, Allah Tara, and che either love your son Juliet.
What underserved events Zanna? wakad Awesome. Rajan. So now almost interpreting is saying actually the is the old man, the old woman.
being punished with storing doesn't quite fit anywhere with what we're judging by. Because he goes, he says, Do you not see that if the old person here who is not married? Does adultery they're not given stoning as the punishment what they're given the given the 100 lawsuits. Yeah, but the verse isn't indicating that. Do you not also see if I if the young person who is married? Yeah. And does adultery they don't get lasses because they're young or not old, they get stolen. So this is what Omar bin Khattab said, and this is being recorded.
So you see,
that there is some issue and this debate, although Jehol don't accept it, they go along with what other than a hot dog said and what was practiced by the prophet salaallah Salam.
But
we can still say that, and I say till this day, and I've said it ever since I've known it for many years, but I don't always say publicly out there but has to be said. Why is it that Allah subhanho wa taala? No doubt from what we see from authentic hadith that this came down as a revelation, but it wasn't clearly
From the prophesies Salam, what actually happened?
It's not been lost on purpose this idea it was purposely not written and not put as a part of the Quran.
Yeah.
This is a very important question to ask, why not?
We have some idea in the Hadith that it was in the Torah and and sometimes prophesied some being in Medina and the the scriptural,
the Jews and the scriptures of old were there. And it well, it can be interpreted, but not everybody agrees with it that the Prophet SAW Islam when he gave the punishment of Rajyam of stoning reluctantly, as is indicated in many Hadith telling people to go with your Toba
that he followed the the old Scripture because nothing new came. Yeah. And perhaps then what new came which was the only the last thing and that's what we've been left with
that's what we've been left as far as the Quran is concerned. So that's something that is a point of debate nevertheless. Yeah, that's what I say a point of debate and there is room for debate
amongst Allah ma for this and and so what we have in the Quran is not differentiating the Quran is no is not differentiating, whether it's a married or a non married person. It's saying that the adultery persons yeah male and female should be given the 100 lashes as the
as the conditions are for witnesses. And this fall witness is interesting as well.
What does it mean by four witnesses
as in one authentic hadith, at the time of
Osama bin Abdulaziz
which is not of course, which is a later time.
Cabinet pallava and we'll come across the leaf later who was from the time of the tablet tablet in time.
He asked our bin Abdulaziz who's a ruler. He says if 50 People of upstanding people came to you and said so and so has committed adultery.
Yeah. And they had not seen it with their own eyes. Would you give out the punishment of adultery mete out the price of adultery on the accused adulterous? Yeah, totally. But unless you said Of course, no, we would not. Yeah. In fact, in fact, the Quran makes it clear. So here we're talking about not a claim has to be seen and seen means not even lying in back together brothers and sisters.
Because they may have just laid in bed together and done everything except the final thing.
So singing means any witness means absolute, clearly seeing the act of sexual intercourse. If we want to be very clear about him that we have to be very clear, because this is an issue of life and death. And not one person who's seen it and telling you this, I've seen it for people how like that to happen. Yeah. Well, you might say very likely nowadays in the the world of pornography and, and social media, and how things are spread.
But that's, that's the issue. So in a society, where you haven't got rampant pornography, etc, that is something that's going to be a rarity, even though adultery may be going on. Yeah. So if three people have seen that event, and come and report it to your stories, those three people will actually get the lashes the 80 lashes each because they didn't have a fault with them. And that's happened at the time of the companions at the time of Omer kebab, Robbie Allahu, and, yeah, three people came, and they accused
one of the companions, I forgotten his name and it will come back to me
of committing adultery, and they'd actually seem it seems through a window somewhere they managed all on to see. Yeah, and when our hotel said bring the fall,
they were stuck. Otherwise, you get the lashes and they couldn't bring the
Both Abu Bakr ah was one of the ones in the three, Abu Bakr Ah, not Abu Bakr, Abu Bakr ah
from thought if
was one of the ones. And they were given the they were given the punishment instead, as you happened for that story, it was found out later that this hobby had secretly got married. Yeah, so it wasn't guilty anyway.
Now
when I come to this issue
so I said there is a debatable point in regard to stoning. Yeah, number one, because it didn't become part of the Quran. And there has to be some wisdom and reasoning with that. And what Omer said about the prophesy Islam disliking the idea with even being written there was wasn't going to be thought to ground, although it was revealed. Revelation could be that it was revelation, initially, but abrogated before it became part of the Quran. That's how we can understand it, because it never got written down as part of the Quran. But obviously, some Sahaba had heard the AI
being mentioned, as far as the lashing is concerned in that regard, even Firstly, we must say, in regards to this kind of hunt punishment, as its know, how does that which is declared because it says at lawsuits for the, the accuser if, if it's false accusation of an innocent woman and 100, for those who are guilty? Yeah, with the four witnesses or with
with
what do you call it?
They'll bring themselves and say that I am guilty of it.
Now,
punishments
came very late.
At the time of the Prophet saw some in Medina when a society is established of believers, the law is clear, and people are following the religion and a society where all the means of that kind of behavior have been negated. Yeah, the punishment comes as a last resort, we would not be able to even with the face of the punishment if it was lashing, apply it to other kinds of society we're living in today. I would even say not even Muslim countries, nevermind non Muslim countries, because this is a Islamic state issue in the first place. The government issue is not for public and mosques to be meeting the punishment by the way, now among individuals in their families or homes or tribes.
It is for the government to establish and for the court system.
Why would it be inappropriate because you've got if you've got all the avenues, and a society where adultery has become the norm. Yeah, people don't believe in God and His Messenger in Islam. People don't believe in morality and immorality, and the availability of pornography rampantly wide everywhere the click of a button. Yeah, all those things are going around, then you don't just bring the punishment in. Firstly, this society needs complete reform. I don't mean that it becomes perfect because that never happens anyway, but not the way it is. Yeah. That's very important to understand when we try and understand the first part of this hadith in our society.
And situation, I mean, the, the Sahaba to begin and even scholars who came up with can't couldn't even imagine in the worst that nightmares except from a hadith which gave the warning of the last hour coming where adultery is happening in the streets, etc. That's the only place they could have taken the idea from otherwise they couldn't imagine it. What we have nowadays
of public gloating and boasting about sleeping around how many to sleep, slept around with and sending videos about it as well. On top of that, the pornography idea out there, so you can't impossible to just come down and apply
a ruling I had in that situation. And finally on this for today, I'd like to say that I agree with
Tarik Ramadan, and he said it many times and he said it many years ago. Nothing much has happened since he said it because I think people are frightened. But Allah ma who are deep valley sunnah wal jamaa are deeply embedded with deep understanding of Quran and Hadith and soul jurisprudence
is an MK asset,
who are all the top level around or need to sit down? And he said there needs to be moratorium on all the Hoothoot.
Here we're talking about the issue of last use punishment for adultery, but other people do like for theft, etc, and the cutting of the hand. So
this, I believe is necessary. Yeah, I believe is necessary.
But it needs it needs deep study and deep analysis. And I'm not saying that we should just throw out the idea because they are clear I add in, in the Quran in surah. No. Can they be understood and re understood in the context of change of time? Yeah. And can something be put in place? was the last thing like, related to the time and the means available punishment? Or was it to be forever communal, Novaya? These are questions that are going to be asked, and I have to leave it open ended. In that regard. I haven't gotten any answers for this particular thing. Because moratorium doesn't mean, me doing a moratorium, it means a large group of leading scholars around the world but but
that still, I believe, I believe it's necessary anyway. That's as far as I would go and say
in this regard. So
today, we will leave it there. Next time, Inshallah, I will look at the other two tricky areas. The second was
a nurse will be nurse Life for life, and see what the
Alama had to say about that.
And the third, which is perhaps the longest of the topic, is the issue of the word order.
The one who leaves Islam.
Yeah, what the opinions were, why they came with the opinion and what I think about that, on that last issue, I did do a paper which I wrote in English a few years ago, which some of you might have seen, but I can send it on chapter 25.
For people to have a look at for reference, maybe they'll find it interesting amongst the various expositions and the present day one is zero because uh, you know, I look at who heavily depends on even Roger and says other things as well, you know, I mentioned shades that are both with the greatest respect to him and disagreed with him at times. But those undermine in respect in regards to his compilation being very, very useful in many places. There's another commentary, which I mentioned before, by a professor who teaches I think, in Malaysia called Dr. Jamal atma buddy,
I have a printout of it and he's done a book on it as well. But in this in regards to this hadith why I want to mention it he's 14
and one here he obviously is, that obviously found it very tricky.
Right? So instead of giving an exposition of the Hadith, he just skips around the topics he doesn't go into any of the topics. Yeah.
Yeah. If you look at it's only a page and a half of what is written He just gets skirts around the topic.
And just talks about life being sank out and how people try and use this hadith in a negative way and it causes concerns with people especially the issue of
rigged apostates, etc. And and this is terrible etc. Islam came for life and the sanctity of life blah blah blah. But you haven't dealt with the three exceptions here of course.
And then if you're gonna get the exceptions you need to look at what the Allah ma have themselves many of them said in regards to these things and I'll mention them when I when we come to it next time. Yeah, some things are okay something they're very ugly what they've said as you'll see when so it's not me saying it I'm quoting from their own works. Yeah, she can't just skirt around it and blame other people and stay on don't give ugly images Tom is beautiful. I just felt generalities whereas you have to deal with what the Hadith words are saying.
So I'm afraid
I am critical of that. Hadith 14 his so called explanation of it.
Wow, that one annual hamdulillahi rabbil Alameen
as well.
The questions are what I've covered of course, because I haven't covered the the other
Two aspects in this hadith brothers and sisters
there's a question in the messages here.
I can't see the message as well as somebody want to read it out to me.
Maybe a can is Turner
regarding witnesses What about if witnesses spy to prove the Xena was committed? Would that testimony stand? No spying is not allowed in the first place. We have a story even from the time of
year by about
spying on somebody who is in their own home and jumping over the wall to have a look.
Whether it's authentic IP, we don't need to get bogged down by that. Yeah, so spying itself would be a crime in the first place.
Salam aleikum. Dr. Monnier olika was salam Rahmatullah. I have a little bit concept. What Thank you very much for the lecture for a start.
I'm a little bit concerned with a comment that the prophets Allah Islam did not include an idea that was thought to be abrogated, because we're all told that the Quran is the kalam of Allah the Word of God and the prophets last Lamb couldn't read or write and didn't make any decisions in communicating what G brotherly Salam told him so that he didn't have any decision making power to remove an IR or add an IR and that Allah is watching him communicate this message and he ended with her lying I've communicated everything you know that Allah has sent me so we are witnesses that he did communicate everything. So my my biggest concern with this this thought of that he may not have added this iron
left out is that you know she I at the moment say that the Quran didn't include a surah on a leader the Allah Tala and Hall and all the other students that have been left out that would reveal So this opens up a whole can of worms in my opinion, but also that we today we have the youth who are not accepting the Hadith and we have this group called the Quran is because they say that the Hadith were not recorded properly or how could they have been coded 200 years later? So this comments about the AI are not included is also opening up a whole huge doubt into people's minds and i i Seriously this the first time I've heard of it because I've never heard that you know, and we say that the
Quran is in low, low my foods. So we say we believe that the Quran was sent down which means that there is the original Quran and Loma foods, which is described in sort of Israel. So how is
this idea was not included?
That's your question. That's one point and the other point well let me deal with that first. Okay. Thank you.
Yeah, good question. You need to listen very carefully because Prophet saw some eye if you've got the impression that I said the prophets decided himself to leave an eye out, then you've got the wrong impression. From besides some does nothing even when is are abrogated in meaning? Yeah, that is under the order of Allah through Gibreel to the prophets Iceland prophesied from doesn't make any decisions for taking out as the whole of the Alison our Jamar, the OMA
Yeah, on these reports of a che was shaker to a is an area which was abrogated by Allah Himself. Not to go as part of the Quran.
That's what we believe. Not that the Prophet decided, not the OMA decided not say Devon sabe decided not the Prophet saw some deciding Allah deciding in his wisdom.
Yeah, the question is, is called an eye yet yeah, it was revealed that we have authentic reports there's there's no problem with that. No problem at all. Allah says himself, Manos SAFM in 18 Oh, Lucy had that TV hide a minha we do not abrogate or make forget
that abrogate an idea that can some people say that me from the past or it can mean from the Quran itself abrogating its meaning and this is the only example of an idea that's abrogated right on initially but Allah subhanho wa taala, not by the prophets of Allah. So
them yeah not put as part of the Quran the Quran is as we have it. Now this is a Quran of normally mouthfuls. That's the the the opinion of athletes on our Jama. So there's no contradiction. Okay, thank you. So that that can just the first time I'm hearing about this is because other times when I have been advocated like alcohol, they do appear in the Quran. And
that was a gradual introduction of the rule, abrogation. It's a big topic, abrogation has to be something one against the other. So they're not they're not called abrogation by its technical sense. The old conduct Raj.
I'll have to do a little bit more reading about that then. So thank you for them. If you want to refer to the Quran, a Yun and Hadith then refer to some of the earlier lectures given about Hadith. And the opinion of these people who question a hadith, both in the earlier beginnings of Ficus Sierra. And also when I started the Hadith course, it's recorded in detail. Yes. Okay. The reason why I particularly I'm always interested in the detail is because I do come across young people who will question a lot of things, and then I need to understand it myself well, in
cleanup.
And the other thing was, when the man who came to profits last long, and admitted that he had committed adultery, and wanted his punishment, and the profits last long turned him away.
And you to use your words, you said he was reluctant to, you know, mete out the punishment. But my understanding was that that because four witnesses were required, the man came back four times, and he was his own witness. No, that's not that's not the case. For when you have when you have a tear off.
Do you laugh? Which is you yourself, you don't need to come and do it four times. No such thing.
Prophets last time heard him say it four times.
That it is it is not liquid for witnesses, and Islamic law. It is not a requirement when you yourselves come and present yourself. But you have to do it four times. Okay, so he was basically given the opportunity to not come back and yeah, secretly go away and do Toba? Yes, yeah. hamdulillah Thank you very much. No worries.
Any other questions? Brothers Sisters?
No.
Soccer duck?
You said it's not written in the Quran that this punishment of stoning.
Why is to be constantly used by the West and everything else then? I'm sorry, myself. But is it not written in the Quran at all, then?
It is not.
Nevertheless, the position of analysts on our Jama and the Alama from the Sahabas time till this day, is that stoning for a married person, man or woman is the punishment
even though it's not in the Quran, so it's not the orientalist using it against us, we are still have that position and saying there's room for questioning and debate.
Because that's what was practiced by the prophet sideslip. So that's the use the Ellison Allah GEMA. Use that as a strong evidence.
Okay, sorry for that clarification.
Any any other questions that might ask a question? Yes.
Does the Hadith point towards that very issue about the sanctity of life and that in the example that you you are telling us about where the sister also was questioning about the person going back four times. It's about the mercy that Allah Santana has extended to us, not through ignorance and not through omission, or through even abrogation, but the fact that other sides are or perhaps sorry, perhaps through obligation on this fella has shown us mercy by telling people to obviously stay away from bad matters, first of all, and where one has indulged, even to that extent that the authentic tradition is one of forgiveness.
Yeah, I think that's a very good point.
So, of course sincerity.
You see from the party that Rasul Allah Salam and and the stipulation of four witnesses, which is so difficult to do is showing you a society and and and and many Hadith about setup about covering the sins and mistakes of your brother and sister. Isn't that the Sunnah well established, isn't it? Actually, and we're going to come to some of those Hadith. So they apply in these situations
very seriously. If we want to be covered by Allah, in this world and the Hereafter, then we come. Yeah, so the idea of covering and giving opportunity with Toba is a Muslim society not a Muslim society where adultery doesn't take place. It took place in the most the best of people which was Harvard prophesized room said, yeah, hieromartyr economy the best of people are my people, my generation my Saba, from Olivia ulu Nam Sama, Latina, yo, Luna home, so but the idea of Center for forgiveness and mercy, that's what's coming, not the idea of
and hence also the idea of establishing a society and punishments came very late in that
they came very late in that. Yes,
they're more of a last resort as a deterrent. Yeah.
Any other question?
Can I? Can I add a comment to, to that covering up, because, um, there have been situations where Imams have abused young girls in my dresses, or out of my dresses, and that is a crime
that is punishable through the laws than the courts. And so where you have situations like that they should not be covered up, in my opinion, because that's a crime. And if you cover them up, they'll continue to do that abuse elsewhere. And they'll continue to have a job of any mom elsewhere. So they should be removed from that position. And it should be made known why they were removed from that position.
Yeah, that's not what we're talking about when we're talking about covering up. Yes. Clarify. I know exactly what your situation is more clarify. But I'm telling everybody for the benefit of this situation happened in a community I lived in and somebody said all it should have been covered up. No, this is a crime. No, it shouldn't be covered. Absolutely. Simply covered up. I'm just making. The point here is if two people, as adults have agreed to commit adultery. Yeah, that's the kind of situation we're talking about of covering up. Not somebody's raped somebody or somebody's abused a child or abuse somebody else. Yeah.
That's a crime that needs to be taken and expose. That's not the same what we're talking about. No, you're not talking about the same thing. But I want people to understand that it's not the same thing. I think everybody on here understands that Thanks for clarifying.
Well, as I say, there was no, no, nobody would say that here.
To hear
anybody who said that they're there they themselves are perpetuating a crime in this society.
I would go further than that. There's many situations and this is unfortunately, it's in our society. It's not just in Western society, but sometimes this idea of cover up when family members are abusing young girls or boys or whatever. Yeah, in the wider families, they try and cover it up them as well. Yeah, that is not kind of covering up we're talking about
that is a disgrace and a crime and it needs to be dealt with.
Okay, just on off the back of that exact level of clarification again, does the word softer have a certain meaning as indirectly? Or does it actually stipulate that they bring up something where perhaps there was adultery? It's obviously mutual consent. But clearly, there's a massive difference between abuse and say, for instance, covering up something for your brother, perhaps a brother, I know he was smoking, but I don't go and say that to everybody if he was smoking, so I covered that and encourage him perhaps, himself not to do that, but not to spread it amongst the society. Is there a difference in the Arabic misuse? No, I mean, the the idea is the setup doesn't go into
explaining, explain that kind of detail. And this is something where we
system is required and where something where we have to think because you have to think whether something that somebody's done, are they going to repeat it? And is it going to cause harm to others? Right?
Yeah, so it's not always so straightforward as the two examples were given. And the system mentioned something, which is quite clear cut. But it's not always sort of straightforward. Sometimes somebody is doing something which you have to weigh up, do I cover this or will make covering it actually, potentially
lead to further harm to someone else, because I've covered it for this person.
So without going too specific, everything has to be
then looked at in those sort of gray areas, and put on a balance to see Yeah, and many times there's no black and whites in this issue. Yeah, but the general sort of thing that you described. Yeah, that's the general idea to to cover up because sometimes
you're just a general trend of seeing somebody who's
you know, doing a scene and you don't want to go around publicizing that but it depends on the scene again.
And we had an example which is clear cut, but there are other examples which are not clear cut, and actually the idea is to cover up and perhaps you speak to the person and that will include covering up but as a as an A c hat, etc. But you don't not do anything about it. So
does that make sense?
We're doper times. It's not so clear.
Okay, does that go off either? I think we'll call it a day that will carry on with the Hadith. We aren't finished with it yet. Inshallah. As I said, we've got two other tricky areas to deal with. Let's see how far we get with it next week. And so let's see if we can complete our week after Inshallah,
because I can
do affirmation yesterday. I can see you next week.