Witty Atheist vs Muslim and Christian

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with Jimmy.

So the question is what is the purpose of life? This is where I'm going to present my case, Steven is going to present his case, and you can make a decision. My case is that we believe that as Muslims, that the purpose of life is to worship one God, and to believe in one to believe all Gods worshiping one God. So

when we say worship, we mean submission to the ultimate creator. Submission meaning Yeah, to follow all of the, of the injunctions of God cool, and to abstain from all of the prohibitions of God.

Why? Because no one knows how the human should be able to function in a sociological in a domestic in a psychological way, then God Allah.

Yeah, no one is better than God. Therefore, we say that God has sent messengers and prophets are for time, the like me, and Steven will agree of Abraham, Moses. Yes. And all of those messengers and prophets came with one fundamental teaching, so which is to believe in one God and to worship one God.

Now, this is what we will call ways, but it's been nice.

Things like Moses has 10 commandments, they are more or less internationally recognized law. And

so that does suggest that there is an objective moral law chime in. And you

know, in the sense of, for example, it's not black and white and killing, why is there such things as a month later in the fall of law, we will sit down shall not kill. And also the first four commandments, I think it is if I'm not mistaken, belief in God, no idols and respecting parents, right? And what a fourth one was, I think

morality is

like judicial systems. We don't live our lives by that.

Generally speaking, so exceptions,

I think, correct me if I'm wrong, the 10 commandments are just generic statements. Very simple, very generic things, which I think he's right. I internationally kind of recognized for now move on. We believe in in these prophets and messengers, I came before time, that had one fundamental message is to believe in one God. And so I spoke I don't, I came with two things. We are supposed to believe that they came with two things. They came when they came with a message, right. And at the same time, they came with a miracle, or science and evidence. So now the message was always the same, to believe in one God and to watch for God. So the miracle was different according to time and place,

why it was something that went against the natural order. And was probabilistically, you could say, almost impossible to think about or to execute, had it not been from the right. So, you know, we do believe as Muslims and Christians, both of us believe in the passing of the sea, and all these kind of things. And we believe that they were intentionally meant to defy the laws of nature.

To prove Noah's Ark, we have different we have different iterations of it. But

they were defying the laws of nature, and these laws of nature.

And this would act as an evidence is the proof.

So most of them, this is my case. Now he can present his Jesus's God case, by case is the following. My case is that we believe that the Prophet Mohammed is the final prophet. Okay. And was the final profit that was mentioned by Jesus Christ and those people that came before him. Why is he the final report? Why is he the final prophet because humanity had reached a time where it was necessary for him to have one universal system, they could follow. And we as Muslims believe, at that time had come 1400 years ago, Sikhs believe that the net profit is they don't believe they don't believe in profits, seeing is believing gurus, which are different to process. Alright, so moving on. Now, I

was gonna say that they their Guru is

more recent than Yeah, he's 400 years ago. Yeah, that's right here in Punjab.

Religion.

The Sikh faith is a different discussion for a different person. They have a Punjabi based religion, which is based in Punjab, and doesn't recognize the divine nature of any of the religions that came before. So the difference between Islam and Sikhism is that Islam recognizes the divine nature of Christianity. We say that there are some parts of Christianity which is true and some parts of Christianity

Which is not true, right? There are some parts of Judaism which is true, some parts of Judaism, which is not true, and that Christianity originally sure Christ is the Messiah, and that he was the agent of the gospel. He was the Son of God who believe that the gospels were sent were sent to him. Yeah. But then those gospels were changed and corrupted. So that's what we've been in, they obviously don't believe in the same thing. Yeah, we believe we have 1000s of Greek manuscripts, you know, of the original New Testament to confirm 6000 manuscripts.

I'm pretty sure there are some like inconsistency among slightly, very minor.

All right, so we will say, Now, what is the evidence of Islam?

I'll tell you what we believe the evidence.

Number one,

that you can say the prophecies of Jesus Christ. So the prophecies of those people that came before the

wish you will see in the Bible Funny enough, we don't say that the Bible is completely discarded document.

So there are things that you if you look at, for example, the book of Isaiah, chapter number 29, verse number 12, it says that, they will come to talk about this outcome in the future. And they said, it will be such them read and then they will say you're not learning. The Prophet Mohammed, when he came, these exact words were said to him read

manner because of the learning. In addition to that, if you look at the book of Isaiah, chapter number 42, you'll find that

so 42, Isaiah 42, describes also people that will come into a future or a preferred outcome in the future. And it describes even the geological geographic location, which is in present day Arabia. So we say that this is a very specific prediction.

The evidence in the in within Islam, you could say, number one, the preservation of the firearm, despite the fact that the Quran is 1438 years old, we believe that the Quran has been preserved, and made the same way that the Prophet Reddit, were reading it today, we have the preservation of the Quran documented, not only in in written form, as you would be able to see if you go to Yemen, and Sunnah, where you have the actual physical of many Muslims, but also we have a chain of provenance, which goes all the way to the puppet show, which is not we would say, it's not the same in other religious traditions. Number three, we say that the Quran

and the Hadith, which is by the way, we believe that the angel Gabriel came to the Prophet Muhammad, and gave him two kinds of Revelation. One of them was the Quran. And the other one was how to believe in the flock how to how to accept the fraud, how to. So as it relates to the second category, we say that

there are a range of different prophecies within the Quranic discourse, which affirm

the Quranic message. And I'll give you one example, which I keep using him, because I think it's quite a precise one.

That in chapter number 30, of the put on, if you look at the first five verses, it was referring to

a battle was going on between the Persians and the Romans, that the Persians have been, the Romans have been defeated by in three to nine years that they will defeat the Persians in a nearby line, and that the Muslims will be rejoicing, this prophecy, despite it being unbelievably risky, they've materialized in the way that it was mentioned. And it was completely risky. So had it not materialized in this way. It would have dented the reputation of the of the person who's claiming to be the Prophet, and it would have definitely, we could say, luckily, you could say accurately as well. Yeah. Now,

there are a range of prophecies which are mentioned in the Quran, the Hadith, which I've done a video on recently, actually last week, which I'm not going to repeat here. So I'm going to just suffice with that. One example I will say to you is that there are many different prophecies in the Quran and the Hadith. In addition to these prophetic things, we say that there's another layer of miracles, which is the

linguistic miracle of the bra. We say that the Quran is a linguistic miracle, in so much as the Arabic language is used to and manipulate it in a way which could not have been manipulated by human being. And I'll give you one or two easy examples to find that.

Even as it relates to the structure of chapters, you'll find that there's an unbelievable kind of balance.

every chapter, yes, the beginning of the chapter links with the end of each chapter, and the ending of each chapter links to the beginning of the next chapter. So this is despite the fact that the Quran was revealed in a non chronological way It then goes yet, so that's one thing. Another thing is you find incredible balance. So for example, Chapter Two of the Quran has 286 verses. If you look into the middle of that verse, the middle part of the chapter is

says what can Delica john nakumatt and wasa. We have, therefore, major middle and balance nation? and appropriately, it says that in verse nine 143, which is exactly the middle of that chapter, these are just some examples. And I'll give you another example which I have plotted as

to why and I'll tell you another example. Okay, no fine. Again, we got the example. A fourth layer of argument is that if we look at, and this is where it become a little bit polemical, but he can have this chance afterwards as well. If you look at the scientific discourse.

Now, we as Muslims, we don't believe that science, yes, is a certain reality that doesn't change. History has shown us as well as philosophers of science have shown us that no doubt, science has changed. Yes, what type of nutrients Einstein show and other such realities. And these are what Thomas Kuhn calls a paradigm shift. However, we say that the scientific method is a very strong method. And so if there is a massive disparity between the text and the scientific method, perhaps someone who is of scientific orientation like yourself, would have reason to doubt. Why say is that

the correlation between the Quranic discourse and the scientific discourse, even from a 21st century standard, is closer than you'll ever find in any other world religions, thereby, therefore, I would say, if you're a fan of science, you ought to have all of the religions in the world and become more most convinced by the scientific discourse found in abroad. Okay, I'll give you two or three easy examples for you to fathom.

In the Quran, in chapter number 39, verse number five Sure, it says you can rely on the hardware

that God wraps the night into the day and maps the name to the event.

The audience commentaries like if not best, and others, they said that this was a revolution and they said it was like a turban. Therefore, they calculated from this verse, people like even our best people, like people like in Hamburg, which are old commentaries like of 1200 300 years,

time and others, they said that the earth is round. If we compare this to the biblical discourse, and jumped up to number nine, verse number six, you'll find that clearly flat in the Bible with pillars. Now we say that one is much more superior than the other in terms of the discourse. shoba had been said that the world is wrong. I'm not saying I'm not saying that because the Quran says that the earth is round, there must be from the God. So what I'm saying is, if you have to choose between all the world religions, that which is most concurrent with the scientific method, is that is the Quranic message. And

what we're saying is that, I'm not saying here that there will not be any contradiction between the science and the crime, and it definitely is the security of the book of Genesis. No, we don't have a book of Genesis, and by the way, that the account in Genesis is completely different to the Quranic discourse. So we don't believe we're not compelled, like, evangelical messing you up, because I know that you believe in a 14 billion year old universe, but as Muslims, we are not compelled to believe in a 6000 year old universe. So why, and we can say that the six periods that mentioned the Quran are actually periods of time.

Muslims believe in, say, Adam and Eve, we believe in Adam, Adam and Eve are the names of the first two humans, there's no way to disprove this. Right? So we believe that the first human beings Adam bahawa.

To me,

this is something that doesn't prove or disprove what Santa does. But

look, the story of Adam and Eve in the Quran is radically different from that in the Bible, once again, got some awesome continuity and some similarities or differences. So what I would say to you, is that no, I

wouldn't say a text from God shouldn't not be infallible. Yes, absolutely. That's my point. Yes. We're saying that, in fact, the Quran makes this challenge. And I'll make this as as as a point before on a chapter number four, verse number 82. It says,

to the borusan, have they not pondered over the Quran, will Academy and divided the life and cateel hadn't been from other than God, they would have found in it many inconsistencies and contradictions. So that's a challenge for humankind. What we're saying is that you'll never be able to find an inconsistency or a contradiction in the Quranic discourse, which is the scientific method, not the scientific method, we said, is limited, and has itself gone through a evolution. Yes. What we're saying is that, I wouldn't say that the scientific method has gone through, really, I say that science.

The scientific method itself has gone through an evolution. If you look at the days of Aristotle, he believed Aristotle advocated for deductive methods when it comes to science. Afterwards the scientific method has actually become

more you could say, inductive, and then after that, it became more empiricism which is what we have at the moment. So the actual methods

Croesus you know, the Quran is giving you mentioned that needs to.

Why would you mean? Yes, he just he just yeah. So there are two philosophy interesting because part of the scientific method is falsification.

The scientific method prides itself really on falsifications. So you say, if I, if I'm a scientist, I make a discovery, shall I publish it in a journal and other scientists, a scientist, somewhere else in the world Sure, picks up my discovery and tries to disprove me. If my discovery has not been falsified, it becomes part of science. The Quran has the same thing in it. And so much as it says in one verse, as essentially, you'll be able to find many contradictions in it, ie the flood had not been from God. But the other falsification test is founded in chapter two of the Quran, where it says that if you

if you believe that God will be so rotten, we miss lee without Shahada coming down the line couldn't saw the kid that may catch up to like uncoil witnesses from other God, if you have to truthful. Now we can say this is very subjective. I would say to you that there is a quantifiable element to this, that the Quran is the most memorized book in the world, it has changed the political and sociological landscape, you could say more than any other religion that came after it. And furthermore, it is used boys in practical usage. Yes.

It's impractical, uses an implementation more than any other book. In other words, people have to pray with it five times a day. And such that suggests that we'll put on has had the biggest effect of any book in the world. And that suggests, therefore, because I know he would beg to differ. But that would also suggest, therefore, that there's a quantifiable element to the chronic challenge. So if you today made something like the Quran, you attempted to make something called like the Quran? And my challenge to you would be can you create an effect like, what you were talking about Prophet Mohammed now 1400 years after his death? So can you create something such that people will be

talking to you about you 1400 years after your death, and also living by the words that you would apparently made up?

I'm pretty sure that we've saved the Quran and the Bible, that it was spread not only it wasn't that people willingly chose to take it. It was also forced as well. What you said before, if you remember our discussion, was that you have you have no way of proving something is objective morality. Yes, sure. So if we take for granted what you're saying is true. Yeah. Me and Steven will agree with you. Maybe you know, there are some there's some military element to the expansion of Islam in the early days. So

that's my question. You can't say that's even wrong.

So the point is, that's neither here nor there.