Heated Debate with Ahmadi Missionary – Did Mirza Use Vulgar Language
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The speakers emphasize the importance of showing patience, apologizing for mistakes, acknowledging emotional responses, and not using foul language in English conversations. They also discuss the use of multiple references in conversations and the importance of establishing a point of discussion in Islam. The speakers criticize the term "has been" and suggest it is not accurate, while also criticizing the punishment and punishment in different languages and encourage people to use the same language. They end with a request to learn more about the topic.AI Generated Transcript ©
Start with a cupola.
Doc Allah for taking me, I've been patiently waiting for about two hours or so. Yeah, thanks for your patience, brother. Yes, I specifically wanted to speak to advance you, Simon.
I am an alum of the Muslim I had listened to his debate recently with I think what he was referring to as a discussion, but here's his tone was over debate. Let's be very honest about it.
So there's a few questions that that I wanted to ask him in the conversation so far, it was wonderful that how you spoke to us to give so much time to an atheist. And he was explaining the concept of Ibadah that it doesn't, it doesn't simply relate to us worshipping Allah five daily prayers, but it goes beyond that. Right. So So and a question came to my mind then that you know, in Surah, Allah Almighty says fortunately Berlage Samuel ofan he was going to be called which then you will call a zoo. Yeah, that shun therefore the abomination of idols and shun all words of untruth and allow live Salam has also told us that Kufa Bill Maher Eastman and you Hadith of the Colima,
Samia, that it is enough for a person to be considered a liar. If he states whatever it is. Okay, so I was listening to that that discussion of yours with Imam Noonan and you you mentioned something with regards to because I've been I've been recommending Muslim all my life. I've studied the works of Hassan Isabella Muhammad will be considered the from society Salaam. Okay. And were you specifically mentioned in regards to a reference? And you said
kundalika Bucha. Apologies. You know, I'm only quoting what you were saying. Right? Because, Nicola, go for covering a budget, as you probably know, now, I want to ask you, where is this reference from so that can because when I've gone back to that, that statement, that reference is nowhere to be found? Language? First of all, right? The word that's used there is what is the word I want to ask you first, please. Okay. And what what in Arabic language what the word is used to?
The real buyer, right? Okay. So real data is the word that is used. And do you know that the Promised Messiah and Islam has used this word for someone else as well? Elsewhere? Okay, he's got his whole course on Ebola. And he has translated slides, you know how he is translated that word as? Okay. I'm asking you a question, please. Yeah, I will. I will. Let's tell you. First thing is,
you said country, chama Cha, yes. What do you what do you understand from it?
Son of an adult for as you were saying, you know, whatever you were saying that, is that correct? Is that a correct understanding of the term the term pedagogia?
But that's so you say that again? In English? Yes, that's correct. Now, only in that, would that be? Would that be a correct rendition of the term or terminology
from from Arabic or English sort of approach?
Rather than hope we can take him back, because I'll be waiting for two hours. Because this will really help me as well learn? Yeah, I mean, this will help you improve your patients as well. I mean, think about that, waiting for two hours, patiently waiting for two hours. I'm saying if this is a lesson for patients as well. So if you are impatient, with a lot, a lot more to learn. I mean, connection is a connection issue broke have patients Yeah, but he didn't have no connection issue. I mean, why is it happening now? I mean, what I'm saying is, as soon as we waiting for him to join, yeah, hey, this is an example of patients example of patients we need to learn as Muslims to be
patient and a few just absolutely awesome.
Can I ask you something as well? Can I ask you a question?
You both of you guys are very learned for the harsh environments. We'll see you guys on YouTube, debating Christians and all of these things. Okay. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from London. Okay. And are you? Are you ready? Yes. I said very clearly at the beginning, I want to know because I was
chatting to someone in the back chat. That's where can I so my question is, and you're the old discussion that you have with all of these different people, Christians, all of these things? I love them. It tells us tells us what jardel humility he hasn't. Okay? Why is it when it comes to Ahmadi Muslims, that you have this approach of just reviling the founder, right, where you know, in the Holy Quran, Allah Almighty says Autoline badali Kozani. There's a specific and that specific word Sonim has been used in the translation done in Urdu is one of the Haram Okay, so my question to you is, is there any permissibility in Islam for the use of harsh words? Do we finally
which conversation are you referring to the Qadiani is that we this is this is the conversation but
what's his name?
Having recently and right at the beginning, why don't you ask Adnan directly?
Before you continue
without sort of none. And
the way you phrase the question to me personally, why do you? And you just asked you a question. That was really inappropriate, because it was not of my conversation. But you asking me explain why while
I was
just need to let the person who finished before we speak.
So you want to ask me a question. I said, Yeah, go ahead. And then you asked, Why do you and you continued, when it appears that this has nothing to do with me and my conversation? I was asked, I went, Okay, so please continue. So I am not responsible for every single Qadiani when they do bad things, and I'm not going to somehow respond on their behalf to defend them or whatever. So this was totally inappropriate. One second, I ended up not finished. I'm not finished.
So when you come on, and you ask a question, someone like myself here, yes. Asking to defend or justify the actions of some others. This is an appropriate, I don't speak for them. So if you wanted to, if you I mean, you're interrupting when I'm speaking, you're interrupting again? No, no, you need a lot more. You need a lot more or less than in patients. Clearly.
I am not finished. I'm not finished. If you keep on interrupting, when I'm speaking, I will kick you out. Do you understand? Don't kick him out? No, no, no, don't? No, no, no, he needs to apologize the way he's behaving here. It's not appropriate.
We said, so I'm not with all respect. I was going to give you the chance to speak. When you asked me, you wanted to ask me a question. And then you went and saying, Oh, why do you I do not speak for the brothers or sisters out there who defile your profit, or whatever. So it was inappropriate. This is what you are speaking on. Again, interrupting while I'm speaking. So this is one lesson number two, when someone speaking between Muslims, try to let them finish the conversation, what the statement is, I'm not going to carry on for one hour, just to give you a point in this conversation, have the patience to listen, because you seem to be very argumentative. That's all. You try and
respond.
Like you're doing it again, you're doing good again. You are not. In fact, why don't you mute yourself Self muting, mute yourself until I say I'm done. That will be probably the best thing to do. Because I want this conversation with you and Adnan. So the piece of advice is this. Don't go along to platform like here or elsewhere. Why do you Muslims say X, Y and Zed when they are not speaking on their behalf? If I have made a video against Ahmadis and said X, Y and Zed, you can ask me about it. If Hashem has done something like that, you can ask him about it. Rather than going to a platform here and and generally asking everyone, does that sound reasonable?
It is reasonable, but there was by you. I didn't mean just us specifically. I meant you mentioned our names, man. You clearly mentioned our names. Okay, can I say Brother Hashem? What I meant was because I've seen your video with speaking to an alimony brother who's not a scholar or anyone he just Yes, he just went there. Right. And again, you mentioned all of those things which relate to the personality you don't speak. No, no, no, I never mentioned the personality. You guys should watch the video again. Okay, okay, whatever the case is, can we move on to a conversation? No, no, hold on, hold on. You made an allegation and you shouldn't you should own up to it man can on your
own. be man enough not about me. I'm not here for myself. Well, then don't then don't preach what you can't practice. What Okay, okay. So the advice for all of us is the advice was to preach with wisdom. You don't that's what it says. You show arrogance. When your own you don't acknowledge it. should apologize. The least you could do is apologize for the allegations you made we still reflect what we were doing in Speaker's Corner. Not not an allegation if that has come across as an allegation I sincerely apologize I have no no issue of apologizing for but let's not waste any more time of your
man because that's not nice waiting for you.
I think I'm not going to have his dinner
waiting so I'm
gonna phone at none. You're muted. You're muted. You're muted. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Sorry guys. My battery my battery was dying. And as soon as my conversation with Brother Ahmed it started my phone died and I really wanted to come back very very quickly because some Ahmadi friends not armored some mid friends have this habit of
you know, celebration celebrating Oh, he ran away. He just
comedy guy so I really I was
And so I came back very quickly. Actually, Ahmed is in London, he should come to Speaker's Corner, face to face, brother, before we conclude it, can I say something just quickly because mostly, I want to acknowledge in front of everyone that out of all of the people that have listened, and people who have engaged with our families, I have found that not to be the most respectful. I have to say this, I have to call it I acknowledge this, because but then there are things which we don't agree with, and we're gonna discuss them. No doubt, I think that should be the case. But I have to admit that you know, that you haven't used any foul language. You haven't used any, anything to
mock, but you have been emotional, you know, recharged here and there. But that's going to be the case with with both of us. So please continue. I think the question I asked was, I think you were responding. You began by saying
congenic avetta. What is the translation of the English I think this is where you cut off? Let's continue from there. So very quickly, I will ask, my phone is charging.
Brother, brother Hashem can you let me in from my laptop? I'm trying to enter just Oh, yeah, somebody's I think is saying studio is full. So
keep your keep your finger ready.
Okay, so come in now. Yeah, can you see? Yeah, maybe I think I'm coming in. So let me very quickly drop my phone. Yeah, continuous Adnan Rashid
you're in? I'm in I'm in. Okay, so
I'm gonna make one of one of your
you can leave one okay, that's fine.
Sorry.
Okay, so here we are. Sorry if the camera quality is not as good
as definitely me.
Are you sure? Okay. You need
to form Yes. Let's continue please. Yes, your audio is also not good at non me.
Can you Okay, okay, sorry. Okay, brother, I'm just gonna
ask you a question. Yes. Whether you accept that
a good rendition of country kava in the English language would be son of a prostitute Correct?
Yes, yes, it would be that would be the translation in English. If your translation module you can speak a butcher now.
You accept you accept that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani used the term Gurria to Gaya in Arabic for his opponents Correct? Yes. And but you know the point is on
step by step because we have everything clear before because whether or not you interjected rather normal every point I have to interject because why? Why this is and why I'll tell you why this is important. When you say when you say he is used Baba for his opponents, you have to there's a whole context behind it. So when we when we say Abu Bakr Siddiq, the context
Minister, can I say something? Let's meet him in small quantities. I know you're very patient, please. I hope you will agree with me. When When? When When dechra The Allahu Anhu said whom says but a lot to follow up in Masuda do not have the Allahu Anhu but you know, he will he was he was an opponent at that time. There is a whole context behind it. Okay, so you can't just leave a context out of the window and you say, Oh, did he not say this? Okay, step up, move up, move up, move up. How can you accept him as a prophet? You know, the right way of argumentation? Do you know in which
Brother Brother Ahmed brother and my brother in humanity by the way, I don't consider I don't consider you to be a Muslim. Just like you don't like likewise I mean, if you don't no problem with that with the Hadith of the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam says if you consider a Muslim or non believer the call for returns Absolutely.
That I
consider you Okay, no, brother, brother tried to understand my spirit in this I'm not insulting you. I'm not going to have to say this. I'm not deserving you're deserving of no sympathy. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying technically.
According to my understanding of Sharia, okay, I don't consider any one blue green. Yellow. What?
Wait,
wait, wait, please. What are we more frustrating? No, no, no. No.
Your soul was telling you to be silent when someone speaking will let you speak your platform it there is no censoring it. No censoring. Okay. We are so confident about our position that we will never send to you. Okay. Let me speak please let me speak Okay. When I say you are you are a non Muslim to me. That is not an insult. Okay, no, that means I'm stating a fact. According to my understanding of Sharia
Yeah, I understand in Sharia, that anyone who believes in another prophet, whether that prophet is
almighty prophet or a prophet in a blue gown, or a green shirt, or a long hat or a short hat, it doesn't make a difference to me. Anyone who believes in another prophet after Muhammad Rasulullah Salallahu Salam is a disbeliever to me. That's it. That's it. And and I understand your position is that anyone who doesn't believe in Mirza Ghulam, Muhammad Qadiani as a prophet is a disbeliever. And I have no problem with that. No problem. That's not an insult against me. Actually, if anything that's, that's something for me to be proud of, that I don't believe in, in a another person as a prophet after Muhammad Rasul Allah Azza wa sallam because my understanding of Sharia is correct.
Now, the issue of the issue of abusive language and vulgar language, an accusation of an chastity against chaste women. This is the topic we are discussing, okay, because this is the topic you brought up. So let's go step by step. The first question I asked you, but I need to recall it. I use the term Kundalini yoga in the discussion. You said you said Miss Zavala Yanni didn't say this. He said the real Baba Correct? Yes. In what you knowledge you acknowledge that in you know in what book? Do you know in verbal upstarts King Do you know in what will be said this? I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Can you can you hear me now? Your your voice is very, very dim. But clarity. Which
book is this from? So which book is this from? I'm gonna give the references don't worry. First, I'm gonna go step by step. So
yes, please.
Do you acknowledge when I say Brother, I mean brother in humanity, the son of Adam, a big brother Muhammad, do you acknowledge that Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani used this term? The rebuttal bhaga against his opponents do you acknowledge? Okay, now I need to answer this. It's not a yes or no thing. All right. So so please give me some time. First establish facts. Yes. Yes. Knowledge is used this against his opponents. For specific opponents. Yes. Yes. Specific? Yes, yes. Use this term against his opponents. You are saying? He did not mean congenic. Our job? He meant something else. Correct? Yes, correct. Yes. I am going to show you now. Firstly, you have acknowledged already so
you can't track back back on this. You can't go back to this. That means Oh, well. I'm not Qadiani used this term. The RIA to buy although he used what to do haram in Urdu works in other places, which means the same thing, while others haram. For example, let me read the code. Let me read the very code so that you you don't
you're not giving me the opportunity. You're giving a sermon? You will. You're giving us some knowledge. It's been three minutes. It's been three, four minutes, I need to speak as well, because you were raising an argument which is on fourth grounds, and it's going to end up great brother, scholar. You should have more patience than me. Let me say let me I am not a scholar. I'm not a scholar. I'm only a student but I let me explain something to you. Can I read Rowhani Husain Yes, volume nine, page 31 which is an ODU published by the armory's No, you should read Isla Cammarata Islam with a prophesy usury. We will we will, we will know because that's the discussion we're
having, isn't it? That's okay. We haven't. We can't. We can't look because Give me two minutes and then out be silence.
Please.
Please give me two minutes. Are you in London? Are you in London? I'm in London. But my schedule is such that you know it's I write and I will I will welcome your buy you coffee. I'll buy you coffee. I'll buy you lunch, dinner and
upmost respect, as I did with Ibrahim. Yes, come to the park. Bring your books, the original book where you want to explain the context to me. Yes. And I will be more than happy to indulge with you. You want to bring your scholar with you.
One with you. You will be with you. You are most welcome. I will welcome you all with open arms with sympathy with compassion. And
can I please speak now? can feasibly Yes, you can. You can. But you're making you're making it very difficult to have a conversation. Okay, because the issue is
I'm not sure that we're lucky and what we did. I'll tell you why. Because let me tell you, I'll tell you why. Because look. It's been about three minutes. I've just been
first of all, I'll tell you what
was my claim in that conversation.
I'm at Qadiani
because people are watching this
thing I know you're used to this. I know you're used to this that people always listen to you. But let me see, you got to give me a minute at least to speak. Yeah. Okay. Bismillah let me speak. So first of all, there was no need for you to mention the fact that your brother and face and all of that that's not needed. Okay? And because according to me, according it's not for you to decide who's a Muslim and non Muslim. That's another discussion. I don't want to go to this, which we're going to speak about Zubia to Baba. Okay, that specific reference that you've used now, the first thing that we need to establish is whether in Islam or in the religion that we claim to follow? Is
there any room of using a harsh language in any circumstance or not? If you say no, I will take you back to chapter 68 was 14, we are loving monsters auto Limbaugh does Alika zany, and that word what is what is it?
Well,
yes, yes, please, we need to establish the point of discussion. What is the point of discussion here?
What is the topic? I'll tell you what the topic is. The topic is that you have you have blatantly lied about the promise for silence. So that was salam. How let me complete is by by quickly typing on Google Misaki. Because he bought Misaki, Galena, you've come up with references and you put on your YouTube channel that you've seen these references yourself their original references and stuff. We're losing you, Ahmed, we're losing you your internet.
Can you hear me now? Yes. Yes. So my point I said, the the point of discussion is this that, in that in that discussion with Brother Ibrahim, you mentioned plethora of references, which each reference relates to a different issue. So when a Christian comes to you, and he mentioned 10 Different allegations, you tell him Brother, if you're speaking about the age of Yeshua, or the Allahu anha, let me explain that first. And then we move to second, third and fourth. You can't use your being lost for the armored
Brotherman. So can you hear me? Actually I can hear quite well. So I think
connection. Okay. Okay, kick leaves.
So what I'm saying is, when you speak to comedies or anyone, you have to have the same criteria that you have when you speak to people that come to you with allegations about the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam. So when people come to you and state numerous about Islam, you can't mention Okay, Mirza said this there this year this year. And now you put it on Iranian Nuland, who's a very, very,
very humble person. That's fair enough. Fair enough. What was my allegation against your allegation was specific that Mirza Ghulam Hammett said country kabocha to Muslims? That works for you? And you live there because the problem with Palestine we use this for Christians because inaudible Berea nearly complete incredible Berea promises it gives the list of 30 plus Christians who were using foul language is against the promise against the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam and his wives right and then the promise was Aslam says that we will have peace with the snakes of jungle with the beasts of jungle but we will never have peace with these these these priests because they abused our
beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu wasallam when les cromford salaam to him he said I will not reply salaam back because of the love for the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam so when you when you stand there and blatantly you know accused this man you know of saying things which he hasn't said about a specific party so when Alladhina Marty's think auto Limbaugh does Alec has the name about a disbeliever in the Quran. Okay, which which translates to one of the haram. Okay, which is of a doubtful birth. Is that a point of allegation? Is that a point of allegation upon the Holy Quran? Can I respond now? Yes, please. Okay. Firstly, my allegation against Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. In
that conversation was if you were listening carefully, I love Alam Ahmed Qadiani. used foul language against his opponents. Okay.
That's the first that's this is how the point was raised. Okay. Okay. I said he used foul language against his opponents. He was not even a gentle man, let alone a prophet of Islam. Do you remember that part? Yes, I remember. But but follow me. Follow me. Follow me. Follow me. Okay, keep following me. So when I mentioned that Ibrahim basically went historic, and he started to say no, this was against those people who were abusing the Prophet. This was against those people who were abusing the Prophet of Allah. So then I counted him with quotes. I read a number of quotes from number of different books Correct.
You read not from books, but you read from an online source? Yes. And can can you say?
I'm a Follow Me. That conversation is online. It's on my YouTube channel. Anyone can go and watch that conversation or peanut right now. And
wait, wait. Yes. So I read a number of quotes from a number of sources.
is and then I give page numbers and book names Correct?
Are you copied and pasted page number? No, no, no. Ahmed Ahmed, just just establishing facts. Basic Facts. Yes. correct or incorrect?
You did paste yes you use you did page references on your YouTube or read a number of courts to make my point that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani used foul, vulgar language against his opponents. So the language you use is not even a gentleman's language, let alone a prophet, a prophet of Allah. But that's criterion, though, isn't it? Oh, wait, we
will get to the criteria. And let me explain what I am where I'm going with this. Correct or not? Correct. That's what you said. Yes. That's what you said. Correct. Okay. Yeah. And then I read a number of quotes, of which you choose only one to indulge in one, only one. You ignore all others. You know, I mean, okay. There's a reason for this. There's a reason. So, you mentioned this, I tell you because you know what it is when when someone comes to Speaker's Corner and cheats, and lies from the very beginning, rather than
let people decide if I like, let's, let's have a conversation, you will see where are we? Okay, do you recognize the quote from Rowhani? Design? Yes, there I have the actual scan from the very book published by the AMA. This is the I'm reading from the original scan here. Rowhani design. Anyone who wants to be the name is there are only design, Jill nine chapter nine there. I'm gonna read it. Crazy. 3131 Wait, is number 31. And I'm gonna read from the bottom of it. This is one of the quotes I read from okay. What is the cord?
Okay, or hamari? photogra? Kyle? Nahi hoga to solve some Java Java is cool. Voila, good haram, but Nikka show care or Halal donahey. Yeah, it's one of the Haram but Nick Ashoka, or nada. And he, do you stand by these words of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani.
Can you read the whole page from the beginning to end and unless I can? I can. But let's go. Okay. Can you tell me the reference? I'm going to open it right now.
Yes, Rowhani cosine, volume nine, page 31. The bottom of the page.
One second, one second. I'm just opening if you gotta give me a second. Okay.
Okay, bye. By the way, can I ask you what is? What What is this about? Ginger? About? This is about my point that he used. What? Why do you ask me a question?
I'm trying to open a book. Sorry. I'm trying to see the reference. So this is about I'm making a point from it, that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani used a vulgar language, street language dirty language to describe his opponents. This is the point I'm making. Correct. That's what you're saying. I'm opening the reference reserve. And
so I read I read from Rowhani design. Yeah, I've got the very scan in front in front of me. Here is the reference. You can see Ronnie because I'm opening at 930. So the volume nine, volume nine page 31 Rouhani design. By the way, those who don't know, Ronnie design is a collection of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. He's put together all his book, a collection of his works, a collection of his works. It's an anthology, basically, it's it's a it's all his works put together in multiple volumes. And this collection is called Rowhani design. In other words, literally translated as spiritual treasures. spiritual treasures, this
Yes. Can I read? Can you be which page? Are you reading? Page? 31. Can you read? Okay, so can you while you're fine? While you read? Read? Read first first read the code. First read the second last line and the last line. Yes, yes. But this is you know who this is about is about atom right? You know, you know the back before you before you tell us before you tell us who this is about. I have a problem with this. Even if it's about shaitan don't worry about that. Even if it's about shaitan you have a problem with this. I'll tell you why. I'll explain to you why. Just read the second last line and the last line and then we will talk about it whether it matches who it is about.
Okay, okay. Okay. Can let me let me let me read out to us. All right. Yes. Okay. So where you want me to read it from second last line and the last line? Okay. The Muslim says depends on Mrs. Takata. And then you got to start from Georgia. The documents keep who's covered to haram by Nick Ashok, who doesn't know he, but Allah Azza wa kelia Virgie ba ta ke agar vo muda Juta Janta or hair or ISA Yoko rally por Fatah Yatra data
A Mary is who just Kovach a torpor rockery Germanic pesky because it's for Canada Pina Haram has essentially article party or Mr. Abdullah autumn que pasa Naja or other Padawan talaga Halston in those grande laka. Who Jose baz Zola guitar vocal imata Masuda Crocker they are teen hazhar repair Lele or dry Kirkup. decarbing. You know what this is what he's talking about, you know, the background. What are you doing? What are you saying? This and I can explain in English. Wait, wait, wait. Firstly, firstly, firstly, before we get to what this about? It is about I know exactly what it's about and what it's about. Don't worry about that. I am asking you
to language over it. I'm asking is this the language of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed? Qadiani? Is it confirmed? Yes, it is. You're not disputing it. You're not disputing it? I don't know why you're going on about it in his writing. Rather I'm doing it for a reason. You're not disputing it? Yes. No, I'm not disputing. Yes. Okay. Now
he's calling Mr. X, a bastard child, correct. Well, other Haram is not used here in a in a literal sense. And I will explain why. Okay, what? What is one word in Arabic? What is the meaning of wallet?
Okay. What is the meaning of words in Arabic? Nobody for the person to decide what in what what understanding is used that word? Stop. If I say if I say Brother, brother, Ahmed. Ahmed, if I say my brother,
can I say My thing is I'm asking if I said to RIA to shaitan. Okay, in the Arabic language. What is my
look, I'm calling you with respect. And
even though I believe, even though I believe you're upon disbelief, you're upon Cooper. I'm calling you with rain saying
yes. Same thing. No.
We're talking to each other with respect. So please, please honor my respect. I'm asking your question, what is the meaning of valor in Arabic?
What is the meaning of words in Arabic? It The thing is, the sentence is or the word is one of the haram. It's not just one word. Okay. When
when we said, you said, Well, I will Haram is not used in in the, in the chat in that sense, foster child, your user said that you just said that you were about to dispute, so I'm disproving you before you waste our time. What is the meaning of wallet in Arabic? What is what? What is the meaning of RIA in Arabic? And
don't Don't? Don't hop to another topic. Why not is not a wallet. What is the meaning of wallet? Son? Son? Yes. What it means child? Yes, child. Yes. Yes. Yes. Can calculus continue? I mean, I don't know why. And haram, what is haram? Illegitimate or let's say Haram is okay, good. Good. So now Okay, now now we're getting there. So you're
not gonna Diani all Mr. X, or miss y, one of the Koran correct. Because we haven't finished? We haven't finished the paragraph. Brother Ahmed first established facts basic facts did he call Mr. X whoever whoever we're not in, we're not in prep or something we're not in prep or people that are listening the educated people your your, it is important, it is important for me to do this so that you are not and and and the listeners and viewers understand what I was doing. So understand now. And so my question is, which is Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani call it Mr. X. A bastard child.
He hasn't said bastard child. Wallet will haram he says what are the what are the legit illegitimate child? What has
been?
Your honor? I'm telling you the medium in which is used my brother so when we say Korea to China and what does it mean? What is we're not discussing Korea? We're discussing the Haram stop hopping stop. State.
I'm not going to I'm not going to let you do this until a while ago haram does it mean pastor Kyle do not
say that again? Does it mean a bastard child or not? In a literal sense, yes. Does it have any other meeting in the Arabic language? Okay, that's what I'm asking them.
You can easily save us all this time and say yes, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani called a certain person while other haram yes or no.
I've answered like 10 times. I don't know where we're going with this. He's
he
he called a certain person A bastard child.
No, because you're standing as a foster child. That's your problem. What is the meaning of one of dukkha
What does that mean? He was about to shut down told me if I called you
just just one second sorry, because both of you speaking, it is not fair to compare with another phrase in an EDM. If one of them haram does not mean an illegitimate child armored unit to provide from classical Arabic dictionaries, or literature, that word can mean something other than a bastard child in a praiseworthy positive way. So why don't you bring that point on the table?
Okay, cool. Okay, yes. So what I'm saying to Adnan Rashid is there is a rule in the Arabic language and he's if he's a scholar, he knows that the person who writes something is for him to explain what it means you can't have another person coming to explain to you what it means. So if the Promised Messiah Islam himself explains this is what it means, then he can't come up with another meaning. So let's continue to see what he has written. Okay, okay, let's get to this page. I'm gonna claim means I'm gonna explain what it means what I understand from this very quote, your your Prophet is saying your province that those who do not accept our conquest or our victory, okay.
Basically, they want to be or they have a desire to be one other haram illegitimate child or a bastard child.
And this question is not a halal zada. Zaga, means illegitimate child. Halal means halal, legitimate zada.
The opposite of Halawa is haram zada
language in the Persian language. Okay, it's haram zada and halal. zada haram zada means a bastard child, which means in the Arabic language well,
okay, in the first sentence, he calls a person who doesn't accept his victory
as a foster child, and then he explains what he means by that by such a person is not
can I respond? Can I respond?
No, wait, you can respond. You can respond Okay, okay, can you think this game you're making? Are you making a mockery of your faith? No, no and you people you making a mockery just by denying these basic facts and you can spend them just trying to deny them just to save your skin. When we call emotional Allah He called emotion people are seeing this can you just finish with some happy people are seeing this live?
Live? Let me respond. Let me have your patience. So firstly, before you respond, do you acknowledge that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani called a certain person A bastard child Yes or No Not a certain person but but but anyone who denies that
you know what a certain person means a certain anybody
not a foster child but one of them haram and I'm gonna explain this okay.
Haram are different
because
you are Ahmadis in particular, and Muslims in general. Okay.
In any dictionary what what are the Haram means the Messiah
okay.
And then you see what games Ahmed is playing? Okay, let's see who's playing the games the postal services on page 32 The very page that he mentioned the next page line number four people should open this up he said that other Abdullah atom miat me Are they good are Dada say Bajaj to Bishop the Mandarin Masuda decay. So Yogi Fatale, Verna haram Zakia he nishani has a CD ROM they are not gray, or zoom or not in Safi Kira has fer Katara so he's explaining this listen, he says haram zada he's defining it is one who does not take the right path. Second, who is the contrast Russian and who is who doesn't do Insaaf meaning who? Who's not true? Okay, so this is this is a definition given by
the Promised Messiah is
not completely finished. I'll let you speak please let me finish Oh ALLAH Yeah, I'll stay quiet. Now the most important point in all of this and for all of the listeners is Brother Adnan. What he's defending is because if you know the context of this is about a Christian party, or Bula autumn will call you breaking allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. He called a Sula at the jail and you're defending this person? You have no shame you're defending Abdullah, come here. Okay, have you got no shame? Did Did Did he call the Sula data journal? Not?
Before you get into that, before you get into that hammered? First thing is first we need to acknowledge and establish what we are dealing with what was my claim? Your claim was?
Before we get to we go before we get to the reason why he called what he called and who he called. Okay, before we get to that, we need to understand what is the issue at hand what my claim was Michael
name was that Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani called his opponents bastard children that's what the Quran did for under the same
for your managing your religion right awakening to what
the problem is not do I talk to people like you that's why I want to talk to face I want to when you when you're in the park you would never be able to do this. I would never allow you to do this in the park. Okay, I would never allow you to do this to me in the park because now you're taking advantage of an online stream hiding your face. Okay, you we don't even know what you look like. And you aren't you're you're not gonna come and see me in the park.
Okay, so now
the question stands again did Meza. Qadiani call anyone a bastard child?
No know he didn't. He didn't say bastard child. He didn't
Carranza as a foster child. You just helped me. You just helped me by actually explaining on
your original. You read from page 32? Yeah, it clearly uses the term haram zada, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna now use Google Dictionary. Watch. Watch. Okay, I'm going to call you uncle. Brother, brother. Wait, Brother, brother, brother, brother. Brother, one, two we use Arabic idioms are limited to Google Dictionary. Is that what you're saying? No, no way. I'm just going to use Google Dictionary a man. Our arms are down one second. Haram. zada Okay. We will see what the dictionary tells us. It's not my I didn't I didn't even know you're coming to this conversation. Okay, well, nobody thought of course you're using online. I mean, you if you make a claim, you can't just lie about first and that
that's what I'm saying. You can't lie. You know? Better than that, to be honest.
You said Zubia Thunbergia. Now you jumped to another reference and you've been proven false there as well. Good oversight himself explains that well good haram means a person who does not take the right path. And normally normally
this is what the disbelievers or Maka did when this verse was revealed brother.
I just took out a dictionary and yes or haram zodra means Zina Azada. Xin Azada. The child of Zina, okay. Then it says well to Zina of all those but you know, surgery says Topher means
you will
write to a friend who will additionally it will mean that so sorry, if you write the offer in Google Dictionary what what what explains voice shocks? Your
brother, this is also dictionary online. Okay, this is a dictionary or do
or do inc.com Here it is. Although inc.com is the reading, okay. It says haram zada
the meaning is war. Shucks, Joe Benicar pedo war shucks, Joe Benicar bada Whoa, okay, the person who is born out of the car, the person who's born out of Nikka haram zada This is the meaning of haram data so now don't make it more painful than it has to be armored don't look like a fool in front of 1000s of people
again
Yanni call any of his opponents Boston children any did he call them
said again sorry. You're not listening or you know I'm listening but your
digital Prophet call any of his opponents any any of his opponents haram zada bastard children, children born of Zina or children outs born outside of Nikka. Can I ask you a question? That's the meaning of Carranza.
He used one of the Haram okay, you went to Google and you wrote you wrote you wrote haram
haram data according to you.
He said while
you went to Google and wrote or do
can you go to Google and
it will tell you that okay, I'm gonna let you do it. I'm gonna let you do it Google in order to haram that meaning? Mana right? Mana haram Dada, right is Google is not. Google's not gonna decide this conversation. If you write a book, and you explain what you mean that idiom to be, then I should accept that you don't go elsewhere.
This is why this is why a lot of people get angry with Qadiani and armories, because now these are spin doctors, generally not everyone, not everyone, generally, mostly
trained to
Train dies of the AMA. These are a bunch of Christian missionaries that behave just like you're lying. You're lying, you will not have a straight conversation and who's
not playing when you're sleeping, your elders were sleeping. They didn't know what to do you know, when we, when we show the general of Islam, I'll prove to you right now if you have a ratio when
versus the Bible, if you have God is one.
If you have the courage, let's debate this. It was the Promised Messiah and it's a lot of Salam. When When Henry Martin clock when they asked Muslim people to come forward, none came forward.
Not going to allow you to preach. Just tell me that when you call any of his opponents bastard children, no, he didn't say foster children.
And
he spent what I mean, he called up rounds out, right? He said he explained what that means. Okay, did he call them Harada?
I have already answered this question. I know you already call. Did he call them haram zada? I answered your question before? Sorry.
I've answered this question in this before because if he meant it literally not asking you let's say he would not say 32. Yes. And you said you said he said haram zonkey nishani. Yeah, haram. So before he explains before he explains the nishani, yes, sign the definition. Yes, please. Because I'm Carranza, right? Yes. Yes. Is there Yeah. questioning you. I'm questioning you. What is the meaning of haram zada the word? The terminology? Haram sada. What does it mean? We don't need his his description. What what? Why not?
In Urdu language, is he gone? He left by himself.
This is how you know incapable of defending defending?
No,
no, no, he probably. Let's give him some minutes. See comes?
Yeah,
the connection dropped because we're so we did not dropped him. And we did not lose him.
I'll confirm this. I'll confirm this. There was Ahmed Ahmed. I'm making a case. Let me let me establish basic facts.
Usually for a minute you say what you want and then you got to let me speak because
I'm not gonna let you digress. The issue. I'm not gonna bring any anyway. Because when you came in, you made an allegation. You called me a liar. You made an allegation. And you accuse me of lying against your profit. I pulled out a quote what was the
exact words we call them continue kabocha continue kabocha means prostitutes children? Where is that is
where
you're lying live now. He said. He never said continuing. I didn't think
you're lying. Again, because Because
humans play because you're already playing games and Carranza. How would I How would I give 10 different references when you know that allegations of this kind each of them need a long time to respond. So you did a Christian tactic as they do. Or as I was married at this age, or holy baptism they did this he could use 10 Things throw at them and then let's see what sticks and then exactly what you did. So you mentioned you said you trust agents literally tool Bubba and you try to show the people wrongly that promise inside use this these words for Muslims when he didn't
use for Christians who abusing the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam so you like that? Or except that you were wrong? Okay, let's let's let's get the Promised Messiah use this word for Muslims to decide. Let the Messiah on Islam simple question. You said you're claiming we're saying we will call it simple simple
I'm not gonna move from this because you're very good at this one.
Commitment Silas Salam used to Rhea to the HIA for Muslims yes or no? Who did the promise masala Salam is Allah Muhammad us varietal Baba for Muslims yes or no?
He's not a prophet to me. Look, you're digressing now. Okay. Did Mr. Kola Muhammad uses RIA toolbar via for Muslims? Yes or no? Okay. I'm gonna answer your question right now. Yes, yes or no? Please. Yes. Yes. Yes. You lie. Just you just
explain how. Okay, I'll explain. You know, the background. Okay. Please continue. Check this, check this wait. Now now when I was telling you that he used the term one of the Haram and then you went on page 32 of Rowhani Husain volume nine page 32 To explain from his own writings
What he meant by one of the Haram and he explains what is a haram zada? What is the sign of a haram Is that correct? Yes. I'm gonna do the same thing to you now. I'm going to take you through his own writings.
I'm not Qadiani where he uses the term Turrialba and explains what he means by that. Explain so that you can't run from it. So you can't play these games anymore. You can't play these games anymore. No games. Can you see this? What is this? There's no There's no games. Can you read it properly?
I want you to take out
jumping references now.
I'm going to show you where to answer you and even show you where to ask you what he means by Guru Yoga so that we can nail it the very first question Okay, okay. Reference Wait, wait wait let me design
volume eight.
Why not using I Nakamura Islam? That's what you mentioned. Yes. Why are you going on volume eight, one second.
You're claiming Maria to Bulgaria means the children are transgression or children or transgressors. Because you have to play these games
because Mirza, obsessed
with the word pocket Well let me
ask you a question. It answers your question. Did the promise Masala or did it put the promise for silence lotto Salam use this word? Even Baba for southern Louisiana? We did use this word for him. Firstly, the word for him answer answers question
are we discussing or not? Are we just I'm not gonna hop. I am not going to hop well, even if I
was even able to Okay.
Do you have Rowhani? Design? Volume? Yes, I'm opening No. 163 page 163.
While he's opening, I just want to make a quick point. Imagine someone calls Ahmed A bastard and says oh, actually what I mean by bastard is you are a very slow person in speaking. No,
that's incorrect. That's incorrect. Would that be? Would that be acceptable? Someone uses me finish. Let me
know because
we keep on cutting off someone when they're speaking. I'm saying the SNR. Please. No, I'm just making a point. No, because
at this point, it's the wrong point. I'm going to
understand
the frustration. This is a very bad. So I have to make a point. This is this is our platform. And you can't tell me how you can't tell me how to how to run this platform. I've just given an example. While you're looking for the reference to make sure when I'm finished, your references is ready. What Adnan is trying to prove if somebody calls you busted and then says what I mean by busted is you're a slow person in speaking for example, he redefines the meaning you say oh yeah, that's fine. I'm a bastard according to you and I dare to call anyone haram sada in Pakistan. I dare him
to go to East London, go to East London. Or go anywhere where you find Bradford go to Bradford stop any odd Pakistani uncle or auntie call them haram zada and then tell them let me explain what I mean. Then
let's see what happens. Do you call them haram zone and you will know what it means. call anyone haram rather any Pakistani anywhere in the world. Call them haram zada and then you will find out what it means can
within 30 seconds, you will know what it means. Stop playing games this is this is this is this before or after they give you a bloody nose.
No, no.
You won't be able to finish that sentence. They will knock you out. I mean, yeah, I mean, they will, you know people wouldn't. Yeah, without explaining what it means. You
claim.
Time. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, exactly what the Quran says bothers Alec as the name.
Meaning
not just one second, one second, what's the meaning of the name in the classical Arabic dictionaries?
What what are the Koran? Now what is the meaning? What is the meaning of the words that name
to do? You're right you did exactly what you told me not to do. What you said you said you said if you call someone a basketball which we use, and then you say it means
As someone who doesn't think properly, right?
Do you think that's a good example that you just gave? It makes no sense at all. What I what I was saying is this if somebody uses a word, which is well known in meaning and then redefines the word say, it doesn't mean what I mean to say. It means something else like, Oh, you're beautiful. It's not gonna work, because it's the mean.
Time monsoon is buying time to devise a response to
came out of it. I want to know, the volume design, volume eight page 163. Yes. Well, it out. It doesn't take that long. It doesn't take that long. You're already devising a response. Maybe you have a group of people around you.
So you have God here. You can see from from above what's happening.
On page 163, I found it. Now I'm going to know. Why does it take so long? You've been added for five minutes. What is the 163? You said? Page Number? Yeah. Volume eight.
163. Yes. You found it. I'm going to now I'm scrolling down. Have some patience. I think I waited for two hours for you. Two hours.
physical copy. You have the physical copy.
Sorry. Yes. I do have the physical copy. I've got so long. Yes. Go on. Go on. Continue. Do you have the page? Yes.
Gone. Yeah. I can read out to you. If you want.
Can you hear me?
Yes. Yes. The page. Yes. I have the page. Yes.
I'm not I think I'm gonna do you have the page? Yes. Yes. Can you hear me?
Okay, volume eight. This is going to bury you once and for all, spiritually.
This is going to bury you and all people like you who are trying to play games, bro. Nothing goes up
when he is going to vary? Yes, man. Come on. You're just making claims there. It's gonna bury us. Don't you have nanosheet? Man, you gotta be better than this is gonna bother you. Why does Nan is having connection issues you can see on the screen. Do you want to read? If you know where to read from? Yes. Wait for Aetna to rejoin or read it or read it in the Arabic. Okay, just just this good. Give us few few moments. We'll have none rejoined. As you can see he's got connection issues. So do you understand the meaning of the word? The name in the classical Arabic dictionaries? Yes. And it has been translated by many translations, which are asking for a translation. What is the meaning in
the Arabic dictionaries give me a dictionary entry and just tell me what it means.
Say it again.
I'm not asking for a translation in the Arabic language. classical Arabic dictionaries. Give me the dictionary entry and which dictionary and what it means. I don't have in front of me. I don't need to know that. Oh, and you know what it means right?
Are you
guys
as he found,
yes, he has gone. Where should he read from? Just tell him
as you found the page?
Yes, I found a page. Man gone. Please can continue. Brotherman. So can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us though?
None, we can hear you.
But can you hear me?
We can hear you. But it looks like you cannot hear us.
Okay, one second. My internet is one second. Let me let me do this quickly.
So I'll keep on speaking.
Okay.
So throughout, we have been able to hear you looks like you couldn't hear us. So I think you can hear me. So the point I was trying to make is I can hear you one second guys. So every reference that society Islam or anyone uses, you got to understand the context isn't in context in which that word is being used. And also you have no grounds to stand upon when you don't have the same principle for yourself. When you have the same word using the Quran and you have many when you have to decode the law, one more thing you keep you keep hoping as a man was saying, I asked you what does the word Zenni meaning Arabic language and you didn't even know what it means? What does it
mean? You told me? What does it I'm not gonna tell you? I want you to tell me in the Arabic dictionaries. First of all, do you even know the Arabic dictionaries classical on which they are? And then you're digressing the topic is are you thinking
you are being example to say the name such and such? Are you saying your Quranic translations are wrong when the trust is and I'm not interested in translations, then you can't play this game.
Give me why you go directly the Arabic words. So if you don't know what it means, when you read the Quran
Alhamdulillah Hera, you've got 100 additional in our 100 means Rob means is that will you understand time? Do you understand how I read my Quran? How should you want to see I'm speaking to other other non on a specific issue. Now you ask me and I will show you real quick you asked me a question and then you go to Adnan now that's not really fair. I'll show you what how I read my Quran. So when I go to read my Quran, yes, Look, can you see the screen? Can I say something? Can I say something? This
are defending the Christians there. I tell you no, we're not defending you. Unable to your
people who abused the Holy Prophet sallallahu wasallam. Okay, wait, wait, have you found the page on page three and one six where there's Alana Alana Alana, on the page you have on the page? Yes. Okay. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna now explain what Zavala Ahmed Qadiani. himself meant by Surya to Baba, okay. In his own words in Arabic. Okay.
Okay.
Hello? Yeah, go on. can't continue, please. Okay, you're not responding for some reason. No, no, I can hear you. Can you see the second paragraph? Can you read Arabic? Yes, I can read Arabic.
Read the second paragraph.
While I'm under coolamon, who Amin wielding halali with a stimulatory Alibaba one.
Okay, now wallum An Akula man who are men will they'll halaal what does this mean? Mandsaur you can explain to us what alum
golden Min was will they'll Halon
No. Actually, I'm going to read I'm going to read their own translation. The translation from their own book. I'm going to read it or Jana JK hurry her ah shucks, Joe, will they halal? Or kharab ortho or the gel kinosol Messina he had okay. Okay, wait, wait, wait.
Wait, wait, Corrado Duryea, Baba. Okay, wait to rebuttal Baba, your own Qadiani Ahmadi translation states for OB ortho What does craobh ortho mean in Urdu?
What does your mate you're reading? What do you think of Robert? You know, what a scarab or semi you know, do you know do
it means what it means what you're saying. But what does it mean in order to corroborate a
domain Robert Robert, who
gets to not grab on to get on karabell Come grab a bazooka Robert Kiyosaki, Robert Karabo thing they conduct. Let me let me come back in English in English
that Qadiani the Ahmadi translation states rather than women rotten women, correct? Yes. Okay. Rotten rotten. How
about your
important point, your Ahmadi translation of your own profit? Yes. Using the word Gloria Toba translates it as rotten women, children, children of rotten women rotten in what sense?
Rotel Wait,
what is what is the meaning of crop? What is the meaning of karate? It doesn't mean what it means the conduct. Okay, now you're helping me good martial law. Conduct ill conduct Woman Yes. So why do you think robbers? I don't know? Martial law? I'm glad you're helping me. So.
So that means that means more women, women of ill conduct Correct? Yes, yes. No. Yes. Okay. women, women, children of women of ill conduct. What does that mean?
It means of ill conduct. What does that mean? My brother it means what it means.
I don't need to give up the feed. Do you think to feed on it? Children or women of ill conduct? As you have yourself translated the words of your own prophet false prophet Gloria to Baba Hamdulillah. You are translating it as a
country countries Brother, brother establishment.
You
translated the word Surya tuba, as the children of women of ill conduct. What do you understand from that? Yes. Yes. What? Guess what? I want to know what it means because I don't translation of auto Linda because
now you're
running away. I
I was very brave to this live and he said you are a liar. You're a liar. He used the word rebuttal Baba, I pulled out one of his own writings on writings where he explains what he means by Turrialba and they own translation. The old translation translates is translated at as children or women of ill conduct according to Ahmed, according to Ahmed, in although it says kharab or pain, that means bad women. That means women have bad character, women or bad character what we call prostitutes. So when I said in that conversation that Mirza was calling others country yoga j which are translated as prostitutes children, that's that's qualified directly by your own translation of his words.
laureato Baba. Okay, now can I respond before you respond? Yes, I have I have I have like stated correctly everything. No, I'll tell you why. Because I'll tell you why. Because from stylist long has not used the same translation everywhere for the word okay.
Here tell you the difference is
increase your knowledge
to increase your knowledge at trust me please be sure
before you increase my knowledge before you use my knowledge here he means bastard children Correct?
Yes, that's what it says there. Yes, exactly.
Brilliant. Brilliant. So you brought the term the rebuttal Baba to me claiming
that I lied on your prophet because he uses the word ini Kumar, lotta Islam. Yes, the word Korea Cuba. So I translated those words as children of prostitutes. You said you're lying because that's not what he's saying. He's saying other things in other places translating the same words in different ways. I pulled out I pulled out one of your own translations you word five minutes giving the meaning giving the meaning in my claim, so now now it is clear that your prophet your false prophet was calling people bastard children the only anyone anyone know but the by that virtue.
Let me finish
that virtue. He called multiple people this multiple I have multiple references, multiple references. Where he's calling people was good haram. Haram Zadi. Okay.
Wait, wait, is using Wait, let me let me finish. No, you're giving a hook. Barbara was like,
minutes, let me finish to tell you that he is using he's using creative language to say the same thing in different words in different languages. He knew Persian, he knew or do any new Arabic. And he was using all three languages to hamdulillah to convey the same swear word, which is a bastard child. And now because he called all these multiple people, children of prostitutes or bastard children, he did not produce any four witnesses for any of those cases to prove his case. Because in Sharia in Islam, if you call someone a bastard child, or if you call a woman, any woman, Muslim or non Muslim, any woman, especially when she hasn't done any crime, especially when she has she's not
the one who has hurt you. It were the children. But if you call the mother, a prostitute and don't produce for witnesses, okay? You are to say the least a liar of the highest grade in Islam, you will be laughed at times. Okay. And you will not
let me the
whole concept is incorrect. That is flawed.
You're not finishing though you're taking 15 minutes right now. And your testimony because you did not produce witnesses for accusing chaste woman of an chastity just because you don't like the children. You're calling them prostitutes, you have to produce for witnesses. If you don't, then you are liar. You're a liar and your testimony will never be accepted in any Islamic court, let alone a testimony as a prophet. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani by that virtue was a liar was a liar. It was a false prophet, and his testimony cannot be accepted in any basic Islamic court, let alone as a prophet of Allah. That's my case, brother. No, no, don't speak in the maxilla. Okay, so you made a
lot of points, especially the last one was the most stupid thing I've ever heard because if you knew the Quran is autoland medallic As the name did the Quran mentioned for witnesses calling whoever the recordings the name, who whoever was just what was what was being revealed. For
instance, no, no, don't you can't interject. Let me compete and then you can respond. So you don't even know
I'm in the Quran. No no writing in the Quran. How am I like?
What is what is any means? I mean, what does it mean? What are the haram? Going through? What what is? You pulled out the Arabic dictionary? What does it mean? I want him to pull out. I want him to pull out dictionaries. Okay?
Just like just like way after day after Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you have 15 minutes 15 minutes you're claiming a meaning you have to qualify like just like I did. I pulled out dictionaries. I showed you my proof my evidence. Okay, now the dictionary can show me what the name means. Put out no one's own this. Okay, okay. We'll do it. We'll do it. Live. Let me complete my point. Take notes. Okay, take notes. Okay, so first, first of all,
your claim was in the Hyde Park when you were speaking to Mr. Noonan. Your claim was that the promise was not Islam has used certain words, which doesn't even qualify him to be a normal human being let alone a prophet. Not a normal a moral human being. Okay, yes, yes. And in that context, you gave these references from different sources stated a different different qualified all of them.
Are you speaking Why are you speaking? Yeah, why are you speaking and then Brother, please. Okay. So the Promised Messiah is not there was salam himself because these these anything that's mentioned in the Quran or Hadith has a context okay. Similarly when the Promised Messiah speaking about certain certain issues, there's a context to it. So call it the lesson let me compete. They believe there are two things the Promised Messiah Islam where he's used in harsh words specifically. These are not harsh words. These are swear words. Let me
Yes, yes. Oh, Egypt gonna
go to Egypt and
also spider Allah this wayward sardine can me is also spatula lotta swear word. What? Can you translate this for me? You know what that is? One as I move across the dechra The Allah one has his own Zeus battle alot. Okay?
Is that a swear word? Yes or no? Yes or no? Yes. Oh, no, no,
no, no, no. You
are now let
me let me complete the Abu Bakr using those words number one, number one. The Abu Bakr is not a prophet. Number one make no sense.
That's a daily question Do you believe?
Do you believe Listen, listen.
Let me speak
with Ibrahim Nuland
you think
you're gonna give me a chance? Because you haven't given me a chance? You haven't let me see you have not yet finished? No, you know, because you're gonna do after
you're going to do a chance you are going to get a chance to finish my defense Abu Bakr, you're gonna do Abu Bakr Abu Bakr number one number one Abu Bakr never claimed to be a prophet, not a prophet. He did not say that you didn't have
Wait
wait wait number one is the greatest person after I will give you
the Holy Prophet salallahu Salam
the Prophet used words like this the appropriate use words like this so what are you talking about your Let me explain. So does that make him oh
my god, this guy. This guy says are you making me angry? Now? Listen to
profit never called anyone a bastard child. The Prophet never called a chaste woman, a prostitute your false prophet did. Abu Bakr never called a woman a prostitute? Let me finish. Let me finish. Abu Bakr never called a chaste woman a prostitute.
Never called a chaste woman a prostitute. The Quran never called any chaste woman a prostitute. Do you get my point? Do you get my point? Or you don't get the point?
Because your point my point, your point is to woman your women make sense? Your point don't make sense. That's what I'm telling you, Alex.
I'll explain why it makes sense. If I
if I call someone a dog, if I call someone a pig, if I tell someone to go and such such and such, for example, okay, if I do these things, am I calling his mother a prostitute? No, they're equally wrong. No, they're not equally wrong. They are the one who the one I'll tell you why I want
punishment in Islam
in
your soul, Jaya you don't know the difference. Let me explain. One Karis punishment in Islam, when you call a change woman a prostitute that carries at lashes punishment in Islam. It is a crime
punishable by heart. If you call someone a dog, if you call someone a pig, you tell someone to go and struck such and such
carries no punishment and Islam equally wrong. It is Wait is equally wrong. Wait, wait, wait. We're equally abusive and foul language and the swear word. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're jail about Islam you don't know you're talking about calling a Chase isn't the Quran, calling a chase woman unchaste or calling her a prostitute carries punishment. It carries HUD in Islam. It is a major crime. It is a capital crime in Islam, calling a woman prostitute a chaste woman. I'm so I'm so sad.
So it's okay to
repeatedly use this term you're making
sure you're making sure everybody can see you didn't even let me speak. You have to interject every
security man. You're clutching on to being insecure with your feet. Let them complete because you show all these good morals in Hyde Park. I'm going to let you speak. let others speak have five minutes of time. I'm very rude.
To you Don't stop No, because you're being rude to a founder. If someone
told me you want me to be nice, and you're disingenuous, you're very you're very, very cunning person trying trying to be clever, but not
Wallahi we know the same about you. Sorry, you are very cunning. When you tell on one hand, Ibrahim.
On the other hand, you are saying to decide what country
then let people decide. Don't say these things because
I'm like, okay, okay, can you Okay? Can you stop with ad hominem attacks, please? Okay. We don't appreciate ad hominem attacks. If you can't address the argument. He said he thought you did. You're now accusing the character. You're not sorry. You're not accusing the character in front of you? No, no, no, that's an ad hominem attack. We don't appreciate ad hominem. Okay, that's what I'm gonna I'm gonna step in here. Because if you can't if you can't address the argument, then you've lost the argument. Yes. Okay. So
the arguments put forward in Islam. Let me see. Let me let me be because because we went so far, let me reiterate one second.
It clearly shows you your
audience because a lot of people are saying a lot of people are saying that they've lost the thread. Brother. Listen, I'm gonna
repeat what I'm asking you.
That's exactly what this Foden like a chap that have lost the thread.
Okay, I've moved on. Let me let me just reiterate what was said. So what was
what was said was in Islam, if you accused an innocent lady of this act, they carry the capital punishment. Do you know this? Are you aware of this?
I am aware of this Yes. Okay. I'm going to respond this beautifully now because so I'll see what
nonsense to let me let me just let me just finish summarizing no
I understand what you said I'm not stupid.
I know exactly what not to come down on it come down. So if anybody makes this acquisition, this accusation in any context, and they are unable to provide the evidence which Islam requires, which is four witnesses than they are to receive capital punishment. It doesn't matter who that person is. Do you agree with that? It's not an allegation.
You don't agree with
why is not an elegant way
to explain that please. Okay, I'll explain that to you. It's not in
any Okay listen, so listen, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna close them
gonna stick women
out
yes, I'm gonna answer this I'm gonna ask you this.
Let me support opponents children will be silenced for two minutes after mother's done. Can you
get emotional?
Why the mother is pretty much to speech. No, let me speak rather than look, I listened to you for three to four minutes. Wallah. He didn't let me speak for 30 seconds. It shows where you stand. You got to let me speak and then address my points. Okay. Please let me speak don't don't make it. Okay. So you said you said oops but a lot. You said that how the Abu Bakr Siddiq Radi Allahu Anhu did not claim to be a prophet. That is such a flawed point that you just mentioned it and then you went to the second column. I'm gonna address that as well, when answers because a lot was said Yes, ma'am. Even harder, as Kalani says by mentoring you know by mentioning this, this is worse than
The mother
write this down. He said, but a lot even they hadn't mentioned that it's tricky. It is stricter than teaching the mother. And if you want the reference out I'll give you that. Okay, so the point has been made read read read read read read read read read don't move on
yes
I have I have a toolbar in front of me I'll pull it up right now. Yes read read is in Ultras will calm is full body. Yes. Is page 314 Okay, now let me continue with your voice was no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. After read what it says before you move on. Read the Arabic like I did. Like I did. Did I do justice don't make you see you're dealing with a different species here. You know us people from the Speaker's Corner. We are a different species altogether. We're not going to let you run away with your nobody's running away. You just don't claims you make claims spin them mistranslated misrepresent them and move on. We're not gonna
read open the book and at the end, say implementing the Allied Okay, open your book. You don't no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Read what he said or don't mention it. Don't mention it. Read what he said.
And on top of that, it no Hajer is not the Prophet of Allah. He cannot he cannot make Sharia or break Sharia.
A chaste woman of chastity you call up clean woman prostitute you have to provide for witnesses. This is not this this ethical crime and nobody nobody in that very Ambia community has ever understood this very mean in a sense this is incorrect. This is in creating content and understand does not carry capital punishment full stop. Yeah, yeah. Who's saying who's who is saying this is about that. You didn't even mention that this this word varietal Baba has been used for Christians who abused our beloved Prophet and his and his his wives or mothers in the
in the wide net.
The Quran says the non Muslim women are chased, they can be changed. You can get married to non Muslim Chase women more so not
that there are maxing out among them. Why call the mothers prostitute?
Why call the mother's prostitute? And if you did, did he provide for witnesses? Did he understood what is not under?
It? You don't understand the what you don't understand his words. You don't understand? Can I just make one point here before we move on? Imagine someone calls Ahmed ignoble via some I'll call Ahmed haram sada. Someone called Ahmed, what are the haram? Or calls your prophet that you'd say? It's okay. It doesn't mean that right? You'd be happy with that. You would not feel offended in any way shape, right? If somebody calls you Hamza, you would not feel offended.
I'm not finished yet.
Finished. Finished.
Mad.
Don't be
mad, don't speak over me. I'm not finished. I will let you respond. What I'm saying if somebody calls your Prophet Hamza, for example, if somebody calls your Prophet YBNL Bahasa, or what are the haram? You would not consider that it means actually a son of a bastard. Right? It has a different meaning. Is that correct? I would read His word. Well, he has explained it to be what would you understand without the explanation first given to you? Listen, man, you're defending Christians, your
profit? You make no sense? Excuse me? You don't understand that these arguments were abused? Somebody's gonna explain to you what Muslims, you said haha. Malcolm says learn to be a baddie than the Oh, you are ignorant about this? Nobody can I can I hear about the Muslims. If somebody asks you, Are you listening? Are you just talking over me again, I want to speak if somebody calls you and your profit by these words, without explaining anything, just use those terminologies. Just use those phrases. What you do, would you understand by that? Listen, listen, whatever the understanding was, if the Christian missionaries use these words, call upon
the point as you say,
is not somebody is not explaining
to me No.
You don't you know, this verse was understanding of this verse, just
saying,
these Christian missionaries abused our beloved Prophet and his mothers and you want me to hug them? You want I'm not defending you, or your
questions. I'm simply me.
That's what
that's what he's doing. Keep on. This is your last one.
Warning Ahmed, if you keep on talking over me, I will kick you out with no mercy. Do you understand that?
If you want to take opportunity to speak and our wise channel you need to behave I am behaving right I'm asking you a simple question right I will give you an opportunity to respond Do you understand when it wants to be buddy calls you if somebody calls you and your profit if known by via yes, if not haram what are the haram? Yes calls you haram zada Yes. Without explaining anything called you and your profit that thing? Yes. What do you understand by it?
I would understand what what he means by exactly what he means by it. What does it mean? What would you understand? It means I want you to explain to me, how would you understand it? Tell me in English, that this is what I would understand. If somebody said that to me, or to my prophet.
I would read what he's mentioned in contact, what would you understand? Because I gave you the terms in English, sorry, Arabic and Urdu, okay? So in inhalation, what would you understand? And
I'm not obliged to respect you. You want a specific response? I'm not if you I am I am here for a specific response. Yeah, otherwise you don't because now you realize you're losing the debate. You are not able to respond to it. And now you're saying I'm not obliged to respond. Do you know you're saying okay, okay, okay. Now let me respond Give me Give me a minute. Okay. We'll take your time. Yes, it does Allah so if someone wrote a specific word with regards to one of those haram or things like that, my question you answer if somebody calls you not writes to you, somebody calls you it is
this was listened down in a book. I want you too I want you to answer my specific question right all right, don't run around. Don't run straight. If somebody in front of your face calls you this haram sada what are the haram? Ibaka three terms? I would like you to tell me what would you understand and tell me in English what would you understand by it?
What what what I would understand even via Is that what you're saying?
Is that when you're asking a
question he asked the same question three times. You are gone deaf, dumb and blind. Suddenly, you lost light or your eyes. Listen now again, we're gonna do the last time if someone calls you ignorant bhaga or if nobody if nobody will do it, haram haram
you understand it at first at the first moment how
this this is a false question. That's what I'm saying. That's my response. It's a false question would you be would you find it
No, if I have called the prophet for a lot of Islam wrong answer the question then I
I don't know.
Exactly.
I'm gonna have to let him go. I'm gonna have to let him go. If he doesn't answer this is you're gonna go in disgrace answer the question then is
well, I'm going to let you go in disgrace or or or come to Speaker's Corner. If you have if you have any more be any Imam any share, who
can defend your false prophet on these issues we have discussed tonight specifically, true prophet of Allah.
Making claim it's an open platform. Let me answer. Let me answer.
Ireland's No.
No.
Peaceful peaceful environment. No pressure. No. No victim crying. No no no crying guilty. Did I do victim crying so bring did
being used I claim victim crying scholars bring?
Bring the original
talking. Okay, brother Massoud, I'm gonna answer your question. So if someone asked me specifically what these needs he called me these things out okay. Randomly if I don't know if I don't know the Arabic language or whatever language I don't know what they mean. Okay, if I know the language, let me explain what my answer if I know the language, then yes, the translation is in their their two cents I can take us as it's as it's been explained the son of a prostitute and one of them is in order to listen to the one of them is in order to you will have the right. Yes, yes, yes. Would you be pleased
with that? Would you be okay, please, move forward. Let's Miss comically Islamically now if someone calls you haram zada or one of the Haram Yeah, alarmingly, you know what the punishment is? You know what the punishment is?
What can use into context?
Meaning?
Brother, wait, wait, wait. If you give you a padlock, if you give the lock if you set the lock to your wife three times, and if you go in front of the judge and say I didn't mean to lock, the judge would slap you and send you out and even divorce your wife, you know why wait, wait, wait, because it is the words that count. So if someone calls you haram zada or
listen, Ahmed, do you know?
Do you know what the punishment is in Islam? You don't know.
For what we're calling someone haram zada?
It depends.
If you're claiming.
For for for if your claim depends for armories, it depends. Knowing the word can't take you seriously now.
Alright, guys, I think we are just going in circles around the same thing over and over for the last 20 minutes. So I'm at our thing, look, if you want to continue, perhaps come down to Speaker's Corner and have a
face?
Idiom the lock is not an idiom, my brother. It's not my jazzy. So you're giving false examples they are of no, we have no way of getting this from you. The law is not a majority thing is a physical thing that happens if I give to law to my wife. It's not a majority thing was
told you
to Word.
When you say it depends.
It depends. It depends on what haram haram. It depends on on the last thing I want to last before I go on to the last thing. So
I think we guys, we need to move on.
You're most welcome to come and visit me in the park.
All right. We'll see you in Speaker's Corner. All right. All right.
How
right, who do we have next?
For the last I don't know how long.
But like this, there are so manipulative and so like spin doctors, black and white, black and white statements that cannot be mistranslated or misinterpreted. They tried to spin them. Now that
guy but they own books, dismantle them, bury them, okay. So it's very, very disturbing that they believe in a prophet in a person like this is a prophet of God. Yeah.
Let alone if somebody were to call this brother Ahmed, by these terms on the street, he wouldn't be just sitting there smiling. He'll be raging, right? And, you know, will defend himself
from this insults. I challenged him go to Bradford and call any Pakistani random Pakistani or Armada? And then let him and tell him that let me explain the context or let me explain what I mean. And then see if he gives you time. Okay, let me just get brother Bashir for a little while again, once again, and I want to convey that I'm sure you are enjoying this conversation. Yeah, and I just want to say brothers, I've been dealing with it for like almost 1015 years and brother. I was eager to learn. I don't know why these guys aren't but only Allah guides, but I was eager to learn. You know, and how many of these say a lot of your body I was like, wow, it's a lot, you know, 13 years
ago.