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Hi, how you doing? My name is Jorge Garcia. I will be telling you my story how to embrace Islam at the deen show. So please don't go nowhere. We right there with you.
Bismillah Alhamdulillah Salaam Alaikum. Peace be unto you. Welcome to the deen show, which is a way of life we try to put out there for everyone to see helping you understand Islam and Muslims. And we got a really great show for you today. We are bringing on a brother, a gentleman who has accepted Islam years back and he's on the deen show today to tell you his story on why he chose his beautiful way of life. So all of you can benefit. I'm going to take a break and then we're going to bring him back on. So stay tuned for the deen shows. Why Jorge Garcia accepted Islam We'll be right back on the dean show.
Salaam Alaikum peace be unto you aleikum wa sallam my brother, how are you? I'm doing good. How you doing? All right. All right. hamdulillah. I like to thank you, first of all, for coming out to the deen show. Well, thank you for having me on the show. And I'm sure everybody's excited to hear your story. So we're going to let the viewers benefit. We're going to ask you a few questions. I'm sure everybody's eager to know, pry ears are glued to the screen. Okay. So tell us first a little bit about yourself and what you do. I work for a Japanese company. I am the warehouse manager there I am in charge of international and experts in in support of the company's products. Okay, so tell us
what were you before you were Muslim? I was a Christian. What kind of Christian? Actually I was raised into different Christian is believed the Catholic and then Presbyterian. Okay, now tell us how long ago did you start this long? Four years ago? Let's go back. Now. Tell us a little about. Were you a practicing Christian and give us some highlights of your life back then. And how you stumbled across Islam? Well, I'm going to make the show because it's pretty long. So how I came to Islam, we started when I started practicing Christianity at an early age, trying to find out the truth. Being my father Catholic and my mother Presbyterian, I had to taste both beliefs. So as I was
growing up, I went to different branches of Christianity to find out how come I was feeling this emptiness all the time in asking questions about certain topics in Christianity, which I brought to my parents, and asking these questions. I wanted to do some more research. And so I started looking at other branches of Christianity, which I joined together with them. For instance, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Catholics, Pentecostal Pentecostals, you name it, I went through them just to find out where I where my belief was at and what was the difference between all of them? Should you joined all of these? Yeah, as I was growing up, I became interested in this group of Christianity
and then the next group of Christianity. But as I was growing up, I was looking for more answers than what I was getting. So what was the main difference now between some of the Seventh Day Adventist, the Presbyterians and the Catholics? What was the difference between them that you had to keep going from one to the next to the next? Well, the difference is that the Catholics believe that Jesus is God.
And so and then, when I was in my mother's branch of Christianity was the Presbyterian was the He's the Son of God. And then I had the group of the seven Day Adventists a believer, he is the Son of God, but also they have their own profit, which kind of struck me out of
an irregular, I have to find out what this Prophet came from, which is a female prophet. So I have to find out female prof is a female prophet. Yes. So and I've never been in history that we know of, even through in the Bible, that there is one female prophet. No, no, Surely this is what's odd. It's very odd. So when I asked two questions about the certain things about what this female prophet is mentioned, in the Bible, I never got an answer. And you talked about the seven day event, the seven day event, okay, so that it makes sense. And you went on from there, and then went on to the next step. And then I went in also find out about the Jehovah Witnesses. And then in the same the Jehovah
Witnesses was that they believe that Jesus is a prophet, but they have their own prophet also. They don't believe he's got no they don't believe he's got he's the son of God, that he's the son of God, but they have a prophet of their own also just the seventh, the Seventh Day Adventists. So this also struck me odd. So I wanted to ask questions about this, but I never got the right answer to it. What were some of the questions that you were asking? The same question says the Seventh Day Adventist How come you have this profit when the seven Day Adventists have another profit outcome? This is not mentioned that this your profit is not mentioned here by name, or there is going to be the profit
after the profit
alehissalaam May peace be upon him. Things like that. Okay, but what was the core belief that unites kind of a mall? Or is it when you go from one branch to the next? It's? I know there's some details, but I know all of them believe in the crucifixion. Is that right? Yes. They all believe in the crucifixion. And they also believe in the unity of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Now, the Jehovah's don't believe in the Trinity. No, they don't believe in a trinity, but they believe that he is the Son of God. And like I mentioned that he's a prophet. So this there are more closer to an understanding of Islam. But also they still don't accept certain things in the
other question Christians have in common, but they are very different in in believing then, that he is the Son of God, they believe he is the Prophet. So you really had a strong attachment to Jesus. I had a really, really strong attachment to Jesus for 44 years, I had a strong attachment I still do and you still do? Is there something now that is brought you away from Jesus? Are you do you feel closer to Jesus Christ now? Or then I feel closer to him. Now, actually, this might be odd for for some people who say, Okay, hold on, you're not a Christian anymore. You're Muslim, right? And Muslim is just one who surrenders and submits to Almighty God, who does Islam Islam means surrender and
submission to one God. So now that you're doing, you're submitting to God alone, on his terms, associated no partners with him as a Muslim, right? Now, someone might say, hold on, hold on, how is your connection tighter with Jesus now than before explain that? Well, my connection to him is more tighter with him from how you look at the text, and how you are being taught in the translations in the scriptures. You have to believe in one certain part of how he will how he came to the world for your sins, where and Islam it tells you how he really is, this is a difference. And where he was really saying in the Bible, so this in, in connection to him, makes me closer to him, because I know
him more personally, what he really was, and who he really was, and how was the message from him to, to the the time of his generation of the time of, of the time he was alive. So let me let me make this clear. Like, for instance,
the message that he brings is the same message the rest of the prophets brings, there is only one God, they might argue with this. They might say, no, this is not a you know, but this is how it is. If you look at the scriptures, you know, this is what I'm talking about, especially when you're looking at Islam. Islam is showing me especially in the surah of Miriam, chapter, Marian chapter. There's a chapter named after Jesus's mother, right? And so and this surah, if you read it, I mean, chapter and you can really you can see the story and the story, how it's sold in the Bible, it's almost a comparison, you know, but there's some differences. But I, I tend to look at the more open
view of it. And so I feel more closer to him in the truth that what Islam has brought me. So is it safe to say that you greet like, Jesus greeted, because he greeted with peace? He would say, shalom or a peace be unto you. What is the answer? Yes, that's in the Bible. That's in the Bible. What other things can you tell us that he did that you do now? How to Pray, how he did his prayers. The prayers that he did is mentioned in the in the in Matthew, and in the first gospels he submitted by postulating meaning to the ground face, enhanced on the ground knees on the ground, and your forehead on the ground with your nose and face touching the ground. Yeah, this is one of the reasons
that I also makes more sense to me then how he they pray now, you know, not to insult anybody but this is how I look at these things. You know, yeah, this is the build understanding, right? It's a to see that we're not ones who have no connection with Jesus. We like to say that we're very Christ like, because Christ actually means the what the Anointed One, the chosen one by God, the Messiah, the Messiah, and we as as Muslims, we believe that he was the Messiah, right? He was the Messiah, he was chosen by God. Well, yeah, he was chosen by garrison anointed person is assigned to, to show the people that his miracles are made through only through God. And when that when we say Christ, like
meaning that Christ he worship god alone, right, instead of partners with him. He didn't call on any saints or anybody else other than God, Oh, my God. He said, Naima, some for some verses from the Bible, where he explicitly now calls upon God and he calls people to worship one guy. You're gonna look at the in the book of Mark and chapter 12, verse 29, when he says, oh, Israel, the first commandment is to worship your your Lord is only the Lord your God is only one Lord. So there he's saying, your God is my god is only one Lord. There's only one God one like I want. one verse I like also from the Bible is, I believe is john 2017. You know that when he says, I ascend on to my
father, and your father, my God and your God, right, is that the right verse Will you know the
You know, the verse I'm talking about, right? Yeah. So this is a Is it a good swimmer to him? So these are the statements that before I would I will not read, like truly, you know, like I will not understand what the meaning was until I saw it clearly the the message that he was saying that it is he's only bringing the message try to fulfill the prophecy of Moses, you know, to finish the the Torah, you know, completing that, but he didn't complete it because someone has to come to it. Someone has to come, right? And what's that verse that talks about another prophet coming? This would be john 16 seven, it says, nevertheless, I tell you the truth that he found out, go away, the
comfort will not come to you. But if I go away, I will send them to you. And he will reprove the world of sin. So there's someone who has to come to finish the job, but some people say that's the Holy Ghost. Well, well, it's not true. What is the Holy Ghost? I will explain what is the holy who is the Holy Ghost? And as many Christians nowadays is who's the Holy Ghost and I get different answers from them. Tell us talk tell us share with share this with us. Some of them will say that he's been they don't know what kind of being here some of them say he's another person. And some of them say that he's Jesus. alayhis salaam. And I say well, how can you be Jesus? If Jesus is in the
Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? So is the son is the son who's the Holy Ghost. But if you look at Matthew, in and look, it will tell you who is Holy, Holy Ghost is in actual reality. I'll explain to you who he is. Who is Angel Gabriel, Angel Gabriel, right? The angel that was assigned by God to deliver the resolution to the prophets, right? All right, okay. So we're gonna take a break, and we're going to be back with our guests here, Jorge to finish telling us how he came to submission, surrender, obedience, sincerity, and in peace, directly to one God, one creator. We right back on the deen show.
Mohammed teaches us to worship one God,
to speak truth,
to love our neighbors as ourselves, to give charity, even a smile can be charity.
To protect women from misuse,
to shelter orphans,
and to turn away from Gods of wooden stone.
God has spoken to us before through Abraham, no Moses and through Jesus Christ. Why should we be so surprised that God speaks to us now through Mohammed Who taught you those names? They are named in the Quran.
Hi new Mohammed when he was an orphan minding sheep, and we knew Christ as a carpenter.
What Christ says,
and what your Mohammed says, is like two rays from the same land. They are lying to you they deny Christ, you worship three Gods they say Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They say,
What do you say of Christ? They say God cannot have a son. Christ is not the Son of God. Speak to me of Christ.
We say of Christ, what our Prophet has taught us, that God cast his Holy Spirit into the womb of a virgin named Mary, and that she conceived Christ, the apostle of God, the apostle, he says,
What does your miracle
your Quran, say of the birth, but the Lord Jesus Christ?
Now I relate to words,
Come closer to me,
in the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Relate in the book, The story of Mary,
how she withdrew from her family to a place in the east.
How we sent to her Our Angel Gabriel, who said,
I am a messenger from your God, to announce the birth of a Holy Son to you.
She said, How shall I marry have a son when no man has touched me?
and Gabriel replied,
for your Lord says it will happen.
We appoint him as a sign on demand
and a mercy from Us.
It is a thing
a difference between us
thicker than this
Not for a mountain of gold, but I give them up to you arrived back on the deed show on his show on Islam and Muslims. And we left off we're hearing in the studio Jorge. And he's telling us how he came to Islam. And we're letting you know that Muslims, we love Jesus, we revere him as one of the mightiest messengers of God. And today, we're going to talk about how coming to Islam for one man has strengthened his bond with Jesus actually, we have in the studio, Jorge, thank you again for coming. Thank you for having me. So one thing we mentioned Christ like that, we pray like Jesus, we circumcised like Jesus, we do all the works, because what's another verse that he said that nobody's
going to enter the kingdom, okay? Unless they keep the commandments, right? So we try to keep God's commandment, we don't break them or anything. So everything that God said to do, we do everything that he loves, we love. So just to touch on that. Now, let's go back to what you said that another prophet was coming.
After Jesus right. Now, there is a prophecy that is being said by Muslims that he was going to come.
To make it clear, you can look at a certain couple of verses. And like I said, many, many Christians will object to this. What I'm going to say right now, but if you look into randamie, 1818, and also I say at 2912, you look at his verses, and you can compare them and then also john 16, seven, and then you can see clearly what do they say? Well, the remedy 1818, Chapter 18, verse 18, says that God's saying that he will raise a prophet among their brethren, like unto you, like unto whom? Moses, because we're talking about the five books of Moses, Genesis, Leviticus, Numbers in Exodus, and Deuteronomy. So in here, he's talking about he's gonna raise a prophet among the brethren. And
we asked, who's the breading of the Israelites? And if we look at the story, and Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, so from, from Isaac comes the Jews, and from additional comes the Arabs. So they are without the burden of the Israelites. So this is what I'm talking about. Yes. So this is one of the verses and if you look at the verse in Isaiah 2912, it says in the book is delivered to him who has not learned and it says, I pray the reading, he says, I cannot read, I'm not learning. Who are we talking about? That's how the revelation came to the last and final messenger to mankind, right, Mohammed, the angel had told him Accra crash means read restripe proclaim, right and he was
alerted, he was known as the unlettered Prophet, right? This is when the angel Gabriel came to him and grabbed him and tell him to read. So this man, this prophet zinder, and also now is confirmed by Jesus in the end, in john 16. Seven, it says, nevertheless, I have to leave. If I did not leave, I will not send the counselor or the comfort, but if I if I leave, I will send them to you. So here is the connection to this. Like I said, many Christian will the will object to what I'm saying, but this is the truth is the truth, you know, we are here to tell the truth in. And so this is what also makes me closer to Jesus. You know, one of the reasons you know, I believe that he was one of the
mighty prophets that came from Allah subhanho wa Taala. And God is the only one who can do this. Yeah. So let's go back now a little bit, rewind and tell us, you're going from one denomination to the next and the next and your search. And you're obviously you're searching for the correct way. You don't want to just follow what your forefathers did, what your parents raised you to be, you have some doubts, you've got questions. Now, let's start from there. how you overcame this, and you came to Islam? How did all this come to be? Well, no, no, we know that Allah gave us a mind of our own. Now, when you say a law for those people that know who you are, I mean, God, he gave us a mind
to choose and I choose to do my research, I choose to read, I choose to investigate. And by reading and investigating, you find certain things. Most of the people don't read about these things, and they need to, they need to do their own research. They needs to start reading and finding for themselves. I mean, we're not forcing them. But how I came to embrace Islam is by the grace of God, he's the one who led me to this pathway is by His grace that I'm here.
Tell us some of the details. How was it one day one night tell us? Well, what happened was I was practicing
this one martial arts school, I was practicing Aikido is a Japanese martial arts. And as I was practicing as martial arts, I bumped into jiangmen from Algeria. And I thought he was Spanish because he looks Spanish. And so I approached him and I talked to him in Spanish. And I asked him if he wanted to practice with me, but he said, I don't speak Spanish. And I go, where are you from? He goes, I'm from Algeria. And here, I asked him if he was a Muslim. And then I don't know the reasons why I asked him. I don't know. I just started asking him questions. You know, I just began to ask him questions. I knew a little bit about Islam, but not that much at the time. So I told him if you
can, please bring me a colon.
Because I hear this book, he's got so many things that people are so afraid of it, you know, they, they so terrified of this Quran that he's going to brainwash you in all of this. So I asked him to bring me a Quran. And I wanted to read this for myself. And then so two weeks went by and he came back with this book and the Holy Quran, and then he brought it to me. You read the translation of the Quran? Oh, yeah, I had the translation. Yes. And then he had to say he gave me the Arabic. And then in the other side, he gave me the translation in English, because he asked me either in Spanish in English, I say English will be fine. I speak both languages anyway. So I took it home. And I told
him before I even took it home, I told him how much Oh, he goes is nothing is a gift, take it with you. So there was that? This was a Thursday night. And, and I began to wonder about this book. And I said, Well, let me see how this book people are talking about. So I read it, and it hit me. It just hit me right there. And then it just opened the first page and it was the soil factor. And I read in the first chapter, the first chapter there opens the Quran, and I just read the title on top where it says Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem, which means In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the most benefit, socially the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. And right there, the author
is not so and so or so. And so or Johnny or Tommy or Mike, or according to this, according to that it's identifying that it's from God Almighty, this is a it's confirming me something that I never saw before in any in any of the Bibles because all the Bible's if you can notice they're being revised. And were they revising? I don't I don't know, have no reason, but I will talk about another topic. Yeah. But when I read this, it just hit me. And so this is the reason why I did my research. And then when I started asking questions about Islam, I got the answers that I never got through asking the Christians about the reasons why this was not making any sense to me. But Islam made the
most sense to me. And I say, by the grace of Allah, I'm here, and this is the truth. And if you want to know why I'm saying the truth, because a lot of the a lot of religion says they have the truth. But Islam cells also say they have the truth, but it also brings facts with the backs that up with evidence backs it up, we'll take a break, we'll be right back on the deen show.
While it is told in the Quran, that it is easy for God to bring man to life after death. The fingerprint of man is particularly emphasized.
Yes, we are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning.
This is because everyone's fingerprint is unique to himself. Every person who is alive or who has ever lived in this world has a set of unique fingerprints.
That is why fingerprints are accepted as a very important Identity Card exclusive to its owner and used for this purpose around the world.
But what is important is that this feature of the fingerprint was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning. However, in the Quran,
God points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance and importance that could only be understood in our age.
Thank you Thank you for tuning in to the deen show the all new show on Islam and Muslims helping you develop a better understanding and we have hort Hey Garcia Yeah. Jorge Garcia, Jorge Garcia. So we left off on evidence, right, what is some of the overwhelming evidence that really caught your attention? And had you step over to submission and surrender to God? Well, in the, in the Quran, he mentioned the scientific facts that, you know, they didn't happen at the time. They there was no scientific evidence at the time of the Prophet sallahu wa salam. Like for instance, you know, you're looking at astrology, is talking about
an ocean there's two oceans and there's a river between two oceans, there are salt, but in the middle of these two oceans, it's a it's a river that runs barrier, like a barrier, like there's not salted, but it's clear water is like, you know, from a river, but it's not mixing with the two other oceans. It's talking about mountains, they have roots embedded into the earth so they pegs they're like pegs, right?
And you know, it talks about many, many different things that at the time scientific wasn't even evolve, you know, and how this illiterate person knew about this. And also, the other evidence I have would be
that at the time, would you say, let's make this, Jesus spoke Aramaic. And at the time he was in this earth, you know, none of his disciples wrote anything down. Remember, he never spoke Greek. So at the time, then none of his disciples wrote anything down. And if they did, I want to see the evidence. I want to see where this, this books are at everything you have, now I see doing Hebrew or Greek, you know, and so most of these are copies among copies, whether it's the Quran when he received the revelation, he dictated to his companions, and they, they brought them down, and they were memorized. And then later on, we'll compile into a into what we have now, which is the Quran.
Yeah, tell us. We're running on time, we're going to come to a close. And tell us real briefly because we're gonna have to bring you back on for part two, this is really interesting. I'm sure a lot of people getting a benefit. Tell us what you believe now. And some of the daily activities to show the people that actually Islam is nothing weird. Islam is something surrender, submission to the Creator is something natural, it's for everybody, and how it is affected your life has changed it, tell us some of your beliefs and what you live by day to day. What do you have done for me, it has made my life a lot easier. It has opened my eyes to a new different perspective of life. Islam
is, like I mentioned, like you have mentioned is peace, and also Islam. It opens doors for me. And now these doors are open not only to my family,
to many other Latino communities, members, their you know, Latino speaking people, they are wondering about Islam. Now what you hear on the television, this negative propaganda. Yeah, there's some negatives here. But it's not Islam itself, you know, you have to find out the true meaning of Islam, you have to find out what Islam is about. And Islam, once you really find out what Islam is, is beautiful, is talks about different things that they are putting in the media, or in paper books, or books or whatever, it is nice long, you want to find out about Islam, all you have to do is ask. And you can find out, go to any mosque and ask your community or any members of their mosque, ask
them, you know, and they will tell you tell us what your belief is. Now, my brother posted before my belief is in the unity there's only one God, and he's the only one without no partners. There is only one creator, which I also taught in the beginning. There is nothing compared to him, you know, so there's only one guy, one creator. And the profits are his tools and how he makes his his miracles through these profits. Because this what the Prophet came to say, there's only one guy there's only one unity in the one and is a one God. Real quick last question. Now who's taken and paying the price for your sins. Now, someone would say that Jesus, he was the lamb. He was the one
that was nailed to the cross, and he spilled the blood for you. But now as a Muslim, what do you believe about this? Do you believe that someone else pays the price for your sins? Are you born into sin real quickly, just touch upon this No, no, not born into sin. Everybody individually is responsible for their own deeds. You can look at also in the Bible, and you can look at in the cq 18 chapter 20 you can see this and then explain to you and it says the iniquities of the father are not the iniquities of the sun, and the iniquities of the sun and not the iniquities of the Father. So they cannot carry each other. So what your father did is not it's on him, right? And what you doing.
It's on you because right if you turn to God, and you apologize and you make a mistake, and you say you're sorry, and you sincerely sincerely from your heart, you change your ways, but God forgives us the most merciful read, if you're sincere with you sincere if you're sincere with this, yes. And that's what he wants from us. All he wants from us simply passes test my struggle more for the hereafter. Instead of the worldly consumer world, just consuming one day after the next striving to have a bigger house, a fancier car, not thinking about death, which is a reality is going to come. So we're talking about serious issues, letting the people benefit. And I thank you for being with us
on the deen show. God willing, we're gonna invite you back again so we can continue on with your story and move short on time. And I like to thank everybody that's been tuning in. I'm getting your emails. Continue to support let all your friends and family know about the show. And inshallah we're going to try to bring you a new show every week. What do we learn today, that surrender submission sincerely. Obedience is to be geared towards the Creator of the heavens and earth alone. Not any creative being. You prostrate to him, you pray to Him, you beseech him. You make a mistake. You call upon him alone. If a man who needs air is like I do, and if you put your hand over his mouth, you
can't breathe no more. He needs the air. He's not
What he cannot be God, if he eats, he got to use the bathroom he cannot be God. All right. So we have to know that the Creator is distinct from his creation, and that you call upon him alone. And if you can dig this, that you worship the creator and not his creation, then you can dig Islam. You can dig submission and surrender. That's what it means to God alone. And that's what the whole message is about and doing good deeds. So again, I hope you got to benefit. And we'll see you again on the deen show. Salaam Alaikum. Peace B and C.
There's only one
is His Messenger.
There's only one Jesus was his messenger.