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The speakers discuss the history and importance of Islam, including the deeps of the Koran and deeps of the Bible. They also talk about their struggles with their faith and desire to become the God they wanted to be. They emphasize the importance of praying in the presence of their father and receiving guidance, and encourage them to use the Internet to find resources and support for their projects. They also stress the importance of learning the Bible and not rushing to achieve something.

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I was watching something they had on BBC News. You're looking at one of the oldest fragments of the Koran ever discovered. It's written on parchment, most likely made from sheep or goat skin, and it's been dated by experts as being more than 1300 years old. Are the biller him initiate on your regime. Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim. Alhamdulillah hero Bill lemme Serbian who's now Muslim who's inspiring to be a half as of the Quran, and I opened up the Quran. And literally it was like the third verse. It was like the third verse. It was so I thought, Aha, I have 46 Allah Allah the halfa in nanny Mara Akuma a small water do not be afraid

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be wrong God, Allah, Allah

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and His final messengers, Muhammad peace be upon him. This is our religion, Islam. This sister dijo

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was ready to talk about I would only talk to you about explaining how much respect I have for the faith of Islam Show. Welcome to the deen show. The Deen show

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is set I want to come back to the show media hosts we got a wonderful and amazing story with you. Marco here on the D show how you doing Marco from the London Good. Your story how we met is very interesting. I'm going to start it off and you kick it off right we're at the at the masjid the mosque. And you approached me and then you were telling me how you actually came to Islam. And then you mentioned the deen show you watch some of that you on a journey seeking purpose of life and you came across the deen show. And it kind of did it for you. And then here we are that give you a condensed version? That was pretty good for this.

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Yeah, it was it was kind of crazy because I was watching like a lot of different videos and stuff and I came across your videos. It was like two or three weeks after I converted.

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I went to the masjid for Juma and then I seen you there and I was like, This guy looks a little familiar. Like where do I know him from? And I was telling my friend I was like, he looks so familiar. I just can't quite put my finger on it. And he was like, Oh, I think that they're having some fundraising or something for the deen show. And I was like oh yeah, you're

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trying to get the property?

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Inside give a tour of the D center

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transforming this from people worshipping the creation to worshiping the Creator. I love bless your efforts Eddie

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are you doing

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right so you can see we're getting to work and we need your support. So go ahead and help us to get this where it's top notch inshallah. So yeah, that was pretty crazy. Subhanallah Yeah, that was amazing. Right there and what what stood out was your story. Because you come from a Serbian the background is from where my parents are from from Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia. And that's kind of like almost like the unforgivable sin. Yeah, right. People who think like, okay, if I'm born Serbia, and if I'm born in Croatian, I die. That's like a religion. Yeah, but you just proved the wrong right here right now. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us what led to that what led to you actually making a decision

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that you're gonna even investigate, look into Islam? What made you even at such a young age to even contemplate thinking about like purpose of life and when people shut that off?

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You know, that's something where, you know, when Allah says in the Quran, that he's the best of all planners. That's like, spot on. Because I had no real intention to look into Islam. I really didn't care. I'll be honest, like, to me, it was just like, I'm Christian Orthodox. I'm gonna practice it. I love it. I'll die as it whatever, you know. But I randomly like met a group of Muslims. And to be honest, I really don't even know they're Muslim. At first. It was just like we were all friends and hanging out and talking chatting it up.

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And then like, slowly started giving me a little bit of doubt, like just here, like, you know, one thing a day, you know, just hey, you know, we believe in Jesus, right, like, you know, small things like this. And at the time, I didn't know what the song was about, I had no clue anything about it. And so I was just talking with them a lot and getting to know them. And like, why do they practice this on? Why do they believe it? And what really got me is I remember it was summertime, because I converted in July of 2022. And it was summertime. And so I didn't have school. So I was like, up all night. It was like four in the morning. I was like playing video games. And my friend texted me. I'm

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like, Why are you awake? Like four in the morning? It was like all I'm praying. That's what really first got my attention. We hold on rewind now. So you, you this is your friend. What's his name? It'd be it'd be so he's Muslim. Yeah. And you call them at what time? Well, I didn't call him He texted me. He texted Yes. Something along the lines. He like responded to something. I texted him earlier. And he was like, oh, yeah, my bad done. And I can't remember what we were talking about. And he responded, like five hours later at four in the morning. And so I'm awake. And I'm like, Why are you awake?

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And he was like, Oh, I'm praying floods your prayer budget? Yeah. That's because we pray for the times a day. The early morning prayer now before Yeah, so that really caught my attention. I was like you're praying, like both for in the morning? What do you Why are you praying for the morning? You're like, who does that? Yeah, it's a Christian. That's like, what do you what? Like, you know, it's like, crazy to even think of that. And so he was like, Yeah, ball, I'm praying like, this will muscles do we got to pray five times a day. Like, okay, like, you have fun doing that.

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But yeah, that's where it really first initially caught my attention is when he said he was praying. And it was like, four in the morning. And so then I started to do more research. I was like, I was just curious, right? I was reading the Bible more every single day. And I was starting to pray to God, like three times a day, like as a Christian, I was like, God, just guide me whoever you are. You know, I've gotten no quarrel with you. If you're Hindu, if you're Buddhist, if you're, you know, from Islam, if you're Jewish, like I have no quarrel, what religion you sent, like, I'll follow you, I'll worship you, whatever. And so I kept praying, it was like, two months, maybe just constantly

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reading the Bible. And my faith in the Bible started to deteriorate. Why? I was just seeing so many verses, where it was like,

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like, just vague hints, where it's like, God is only one like, not not even vague. It's like clear, like, God is only one there can't be more. And then the Christians will say, oh, there's occasional, like, vague ones where Jesus like, claims divinity in a way, but like, it didn't feel like that to me, you know, it didn't really feel like that. And so, my, I don't know, my faith just started to deteriorate. And I was watching so many videos and whatnot. And so finally, I searched up top 10 reasons why Jesus is God on YouTube. And I was like, Okay, this is gonna be this was gonna, I'm gonna be good after this. So I searched it up, watch the video. It was some pastor. It was like four

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minutes long. And it was just so like, there's nothing there. There's no basis. They're like, nothing stuck with me. He wants you want to, like clear back here to revive your Fahey. Yeah.

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And then I was just scrolling. I was like, man, there's got to be some good video here. There's gotta be something. And then I stumbled across your video, as I was scrolling top 10 reasons why Jesus is God, your video came top 10 reasons why Jesus is not God. And it was with you should Evans I think, yes, I think.

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And I watched that video. And that like,

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almost aren't even in almost like completely destroyed my faith and Christianity. Like from that point, I was like, man.

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I was like, I don't know what to do now. Like, I was so like, lost at that point. Because I was like, man, I've been doing this for 18 years of my life. I've been praying everyday to Jesus and doing this like,

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and I'm finding out like, it's not true. Like I was wrong the whole time. And so I was in a weird point in my life at that point, where I was like, Man, I don't know what to do. So I started talking with my friends some more, and we were just talking about Islam. And I was like, Man, I just want to learn, like, tell me just teach me everything I want to learn. Because Christianity, I'm seeing some flaws right now, you know. And so yeah, it was just maybe two months of just constant research and watching debates and talking with my friends and watching your videos and Zakir Naik, and like guys like this. And then it was just from that point on, I was like, Man, I can't believe in

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Christianity. So I just started to learn solely about Islam from that point. I was like, trying to understand it. Maybe I want to practice it. Maybe I don't. And then finally, July 14, I texted my friend. I haven't talked to him in seven years, maybe. And I texted him. I said, bro, I want to take my Shahada. He said that tomorrow's gym. And at that point, I was like, I don't know what Joomla was. I was like, Okay, I don't know what that is. But let's go. So then July 15 2022, I went in and took my Shahada and the rest is history from

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Yeah, but you knew now obviously, what the testimony of faith was the Shahada. Right? So you knew that and everything made sense to you? Yeah, it was clear. There was nothing else to think about. Wow, that's probably let's talk about this prayer like so you're doing is praying and you're besieging. You're calling on God. Like how was that so that people can you know, because people will watch people who are like, let's say someone's out there overweight or somebody who wants to get healthy and he'll mimic someone who's someone into physical fitness. But now someone wants to, to you know, they see also that the contradictions are seeing that okay, this trinity thing they're

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seeing this guy dying from I said, does a lot of stuff just doesn't make sense. This is not to disparage on anybody, or any group of people or anything. But now, when things just don't add up doesn't make sense. You go to get answers. The answers also don't make sense over here. It's making sense that God is one alone where the worship. So tell us like, what was that, like? You're making this prayer? So you're just praying to God directly alone? Are you praying a mixture of Jesus and God? Like, what's the recipe that you're following? You know, so to be honest with you, there was like, no real recipe. I was kind of just like, freestyling where I was, I remember, I put my head to

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the ground. Like, how are we doing such though? Okay, did you do that? Because you saw Muslims like that? No, I just ended the craziest part. Every day in my house. The way I face is towards the Kaaba. Yeah, that's exactly where I put my head facing. I didn't even know. Yeah, that's how Jesus Christ. And he went a little further and fell on his face and pray to God, I think there's in Matthew 2639, he put his face on the ground. So you did that without anyone telling you to do that powerful walk. And so I did that. And then, like, I just realized that now as like, I've been praying the past few months in my house and whatever. Like it's the same way facing the Kaaba. I had

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no clue at the time. Yeah, but I just did it. And typically, this is just for people to know education. You don't you didn't have to be facing a car, but I know you just coincident I'm just saying it's like, you didn't know I was just a weird coincidence. Yeah. But yeah, it's just the direction of Muslims face for it. Yes. Okay. All right. So I did that. And then I just started to talk to God. And I was like, I literally said like, word for word. I said, God, whether you're Jesus, whether you're Allah, whether you're Jewish God Hindu god, I don't care who you are. Just guide me and our worship that is deep. And then I literally started to cry, like at that moment, but

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it was like tears of joy. Like I wasn't sad. It was like a weird overwhelming feeling where I was like feeling overwhelmed. I don't even know how to explain it. It was just so weird in the moment but it was like a good weird and so I just said you know, I don't care who you are just show me and I'll worship like it's not for me to say no you have to be this no you have to be that it's not for me to say that wow, that's deep I mean anyone watching right now if they just contemplate think over this because you're not see what happens is when you give a definite When you adopt you're not giving a definite that you're praying to Jesus you're like, if you are you're confused, so it would

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be unjust if God didn't bring you out of the confusion you're like if you're this You're that just guide me I want to be guided. You aren't like saying okay Jesus guide me or Mohammed guy or you know, you're praying to the creator for guidance, you're confused. You want to be unconfused and God unconfused you and guide you to the truth to submission to the Creator, not the creation, Islam, Allah.

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Masha, Allah, this is amazing hamdulillah and for the people in the Balkans who are watching us tuning in now, you're going to have a lot of people who think

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don't think outside the box you were born here. So you're a little more open minded. But you still know a little bit about you know, the things that go on can you talk about that? How the tray you talk to me a little bit give me a little bit of a story. You know, you broke the news finally, to my family, your family, because they were what they were seeing you come home late. Yeah, you're going praying. Like you're doing something illegal. Let's talk about that for a second. Yes, I was coming home late a few nights. It was like just before Ramadan. And so you know, I was doing like voluntary prayers in the masjid with like, friends and like, there's different events and stuff going on. So

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it was running until like 11:12pm AM. And so it was running a little late. So I was coming home later, like every day. And I was like, Man, I don't know how I'm going to do this in Ramadan. Like, especially with Guillaume being at like, two it was like to at the masjid I go to until three. I was like, if I come home every the last 10 days of Ramadan. Like, every day at three, they're gonna think I'm like, doing crazy things, you know? So I came home and my family was just like waiting for me. And they're like, why are you coming home so late every day, and they thought I was doing illegal stuff like, or like, having a girlfriend like stuff like this? And I told them I was like,

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No, I'm just hanging out with friends. You know, I tried to just swear my way past it, but they weren't really falling for it. They're like, No, no, this has been a common thing lately. Like you're coming home pretty late. We don't know where you're at. So I was like, just spur the moment I just said I converted to Islam. Like just just I didn't even know how to word it. So I just had to say it. Otherwise it would have never came out

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Yeah, because Serbians it's like, a really bad connection with Islam like they don't really like it. Yeah. So the whole time I was afraid how am I going to tell my family? How am I gonna tell my parents? How will they react? And so I kind of just up and said it right? And it's crazy because my dad this the exact words he said to me I knew he would say, he said, This is the way I was born Orthodox Christian, he said, This is the way I was born. I don't even care if it's wrong, I'm gonna die this way. Wow. And you hear that ignorant you hear this? In the Quran? Allah, Allah, God Almighty Creator, He talks about this people blindly following are stubbornly really following the

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way of their ancestors. You know, just, even though if it's not the truth, they just say this is it. I was born on it, and I'm gonna die on it. That's not. That's not how you were thinking? No, no, for me, that's foolish. No offense to anybody. But to me, it's like, I can't do that. Like, it's just ignorant. And you don't want to learn, you don't have an open mind. You don't really care about the truth. You just want to do what benefits you what your ancestor did. And so I couldn't do that. You could have been brought up worshipping a cow. Exactly. Right. It still works with the cow. Exactly. The hamburgers. Right? So yeah.

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So how did they take that then? But you were breaking them in a little bit, right? Yeah. So for for a few months after I reverted, I was sprinkling in like a little thing that was like, Oh, this doesn't make sense in the Bible. Or, you know, what about when Jesus says here that God has only one and, you know, like, stuff like this? And it was just months and months, maybe like four or five months, I was just sprinkling in little hints, like, hey, Islam is kind of nice. Christianity doesn't make sense, you know,

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but they didn't really think anything of it. It was more so like, okay, he's curious, because I've researched like many religions like before Islam, I was researching Judaism, Buddhism, and I was really into meditation and stuff like that. And so they didn't really think anything of it. Right? They were like, ah, he'll, he'll be alright, you know. But

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when I finally did it, it was there was like, no real anger. It was more so just like sadness. Like, my family was just sad. They felt like betrayed. They're like, you know, this is how we were born. How are you going to switch where you were born as like, you know, and that betrayal? It kind of led to just a sense of like, they just felt disconnected from me, you know, but from the learn like, they've come around a lot more. It's only been like, a month and a half since I've told them. Yeah, but they've come around a lot more. So they're taking it better and better. And my my grandma, she hasn't spoke to me since actually, my grandma told her I was yeah, my family told her. Yeah, but so

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my quick Yeah, no, it's like, like, it was like, were you getting a lot of phone calls, then?

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No, I think it was more. So just like no one really wanted to talk to.

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Kinda like that. Yeah. But so my grandma, she hasn't talked to me since. But my mom, I'll never forget what she told me and his wife. I love her no matter what. She said, If my mom saw her, her mom, my grandma. If my mom was to disown you, then I would disown her. And so I love my mom so much like she wouldn't ever disarmed me. She's not happy with my decision. But if anyone else in the family would disown me, she would disown them. And so I love my mom so much. And, you know, she means a lot to me. So she's coming around the most, I would say out of everywhere. And that's that mother's love, you know? And you know, by now, I mean, how much Islam tells you to honor and respect

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your parents and your mother? Especially the militia? Yeah. So this is just amazing man, hearing this. People are open minded and you make this prayer, you pray to God to guide you. And it's something that's so deeps, yet so simple to do. Many people don't do it.

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Many people are not thinking purpose of life. People are dying. We're not going to be here for much longer. I can die tomorrow, car accident, disease, cancer, whatever, some can hit me and you never you never know. You're young age young man. And you're thinking about this and then you're investigating you start looking all the different religions and you're going against the odds because people who know like myself I know people are watching right now who are from the Balkans in this area in Bosnia, Serbia, you know, that's like something that's like, you know, ingrained in the culture and we're like, no, if you're Serbian, you gotta die Serbia and if you're great, you die.

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But you were telling me that when you announced online, that you you accepted Islam, that there was a lot of other Serbians? Yeah, I was actually kind of surprised that we're also interested in like, tell me, tell me tell us about this. So I made like a quick tic tock. It was like why converted to Islam? It was like a minute just like quick overview like brief, you know, whatever. Whatever.

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And then like immediately blew up, because it's like a Serbian converting to Islam. It's like unheard of right. So it would like immediately blew up. And so I had a lot of messages from other Serbians. Yeah. And it was like people living in Belgrade, in Belgrade, Serbia and people living in Serbia. They were texting me like, hey, like I've been really wanting to convert, I don't know what to do. You know, my family. I'm like, Man, I understand. Trust me, I understand the family part. Especially because they live in Serbia. For me, it's more westernized, they might be a little more open to the idea. But for them,

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it's a lot more tough. But I was so surprised. There's like a lot, I had at least like, four or five different people, just like within a week of first posting that video of like, people texting me from Serbia, or like one of them lives here.

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But doll like practicing Islam and secret or someone to learn more about Islam, like none of them have told their family yet. And they don't know how they will react. And so I guess it was kind of like, enlightening, almost to be like, I'm not alone. Like there's a lot more people in my situation. A lot of them have it a lot worse. Like I was complaining like Matt, what, like why me? Like, I gotta be put in the situation like, this is rough. And then I seen all these people like, their stories are much worse. And it made me just be grateful. I was like, You know what?

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From the law that at least it's not worse, because a lot of people you know, they have it tougher and it's more difficult for them. So have you been back to have you visited? I'm actually going in July.

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One of my family is getting married over there. So there's a lot of Muslims in Belgrade isn't there? There's some there's a decent decent amount. There's some massage there? Yeah, I think there's like two or three to me. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot. But as a start, you know, it's a start. Maybe you should also try to visit you got a lot of people and not like Novi Pazar. Have you heard of? Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of Muslims there. Yeah, I'll try and visit. Yeah. And that's, um, and how have you been welcomed? Now? How's how's the love been shown towards you? Know, it's,

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it's crazy. The first, I would say the first two months of converting to Islam.

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I'd say I got more love from the Muslims than I did in 18 years of practicing Christianity comes just in too much real. Why do you think that? I'm not even joking. Like, I'm serious.

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I can't even explain it a word. There's this uncle. I love him to death. He, like comforted me, because you're calling him for people just as you're calling him uncle. That sounds silly. Yeah, he's in his older age. Yeah. So he's at the masjid every single day. Mashallah. Every single day. And so he seen me, you know, just this white guy sit in the masjid. And he's like, Hey, can you speak Arabic? Do you know how to read Arabic? I have no clue. I have no clue. So he told me he was like, Okay, I'll teach you. And I was like, Okay, how much? Because I'm gonna teach you for free. I was like, for free. Okay, like, I'm not gonna say no. Yeah. So he spent like, every single day with

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me after either a cert or sometimes after maghrib. He just spent every single day with me for like, three, four months after I first reverted like a month in maybe. And he taught me Arabic. And now I could read the Quran like perfectly. It's been like nine months. And like, he's a great teacher, and I'm very thankful for him. And there's been other people from the masjid other uncle's also like a little bit older. Like, they've invited me to the houses for Iftar you know this during Ramadan. And it's just like, Man, I don't know, you guys. And you're like, doing everything for me. Like, I've gotten gifted like 20 thobes. Like, like, I'm like running out of space in my closet. Like, yeah, so

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it's been super welcoming. And that's the thing that like, really, I respect so much about Islam and Muslims. I told one guy, Ki fey, you know what they were in Saudi, they call it a sutra in Saudi I think, but it's like the key failure where it's like, long or whatever. I remember I told the sheikh I was like, mashallah, it looks so good. I really liked it. He took it off his head. He said here. I was like, No.

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I was like, I just mean it looks good. But I don't like want you to give it to me. But he still went out and bought one from me. I was like, oh, man, thank you. But yeah, it's been nothing but love from everyone. Like everyone. I've never had anyone say any smart remark to me or, you know, all your reward like why do you think this? Nothing never has been nothing but love. So the community has been amazing. You think your parents if you invited them? Would they come to the to the masjid to kind of sit to talk to learn to connect with the community there? I would hope so. Come to dinner, maybe two maybe? Yeah, I don't know how comfortable they would be with it, you know, but

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it's an idea. So maybe, yeah, maybe I'll float that out there and just see like, hey, yeah, we can

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As want to just see what I'm doing at least you know, are they seeing the positive change now are they see? I think so. You know the slow I don't know your past before usually like, I've had guests who come on and I remember stories where people would tell me how their parents that one one Imam Wesley he's good brother Puerto Rican Brother I'll never forget he shared the story with me. He said that when his father found out that he accepted Islam, when he asked he was asked he I believe that's the thing. What happened? He asked someone asked his father, how do you feel that your son is something as Islamic so I can sleep at night now?

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He can so you can imagine the kind of mischief he was in? Yeah, and Islam got him good and made him good.

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Luckily for me, I actually I don't know if it's luckily, or unluckily. But I was like super religious even as a Christian. Yeah, so I never did I never smoked, never drank never did any drugs, never hung out with different girls and did all this never party like none of this. Because for me, God has always been first. So there hasn't been like, too much of a change and that aspect, but it's like, me going to pray every day, like, you know, praying five times a day waking up at four in the morning to like, man, like, you know, how is he doing it? Like? Yeah, and all my friends are like, bro, you know, I don't know how you do it. Because all my friends they like to you know, hang out

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and party and do stuff and I'm like, I don't know how you do it. I'm like, I just I don't know man. Like it's just it was kind of engraved in me. I want to just touch upon when you talked about you are being taught Arabic because the Quran is in the original and then Arabic English is the translation and it just like if somebody for the Serbians out there creation, people who love to say they love Jesus, the language he spoke was Aramaic. So imagine now if you had anything original, which we don't, and you were seeing that obviously. So now if somebody let's say we did hypothetically, you'd be trying to say the prayers in Aramaic, so you're learning the Aramaic

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doesn't mean now that you're going to become Aramaic. Right? Because you're trying to speak that no, you're just learning the original language you're not you're still Serbian or not going to become Arab. Exactly exactly right. But you're a Muslim Serb. Now you're one who is submitted to Will of God and your nationality is Serbian, but you're a Muslim one who has submitted his will to the crater. That's what a Muslim is. And I think that these things are pointed out with education, hopefully. And that's why that was important. I think that's in this part of the world. I also think we've not did our right part educating serves and creations out there and have stuck on most of them

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out of this nationalism forgot about sharing the deen with them and we see what happens so many Serbs out there creations, when they end up learning the truth. They're sincere like yourself, shahada time.

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Yeah, 100 Allah. So tell me, so you've obviously you've learned now, step by step. Are you still fresh in everything? Haven't you so you've learned the how to pray? Yeah. The Fatiha the opening? You've learned some Surahs Yeah, um, I'm pretty deep and sort of today, inshallah. I'm gonna be starting my hips officially. So hold on, you're starting your his now today, actually. Yeah, that's, that's for a mugger. share with the audience. Now when you say what is that? Okay. Yeah. So hips. It's basically like a program kind of where you fully memorize the Quran. Like you fully try to recite it perfectly. Every letter, every vowel, everything you try to memorize it perfectly right?

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And so, I don't know how many there's like 10 million or something in the world right now who are Hafez, or they memorize the entire Quran, and they know it from first eye to the last. Alright, so I'm starting today, inshallah. I was actually supposed to start, like two days before Ramadan. But then I was talking to the guy who is going to be I'm going to be doing it with the sheikh. And he was like, oh, during Ramadan, we're going to take a break and whatever. And it's a much it's a little bit farther from me. It's like 2030 minute drive. So like, Okay, I'll just start after Ramadan, then if you're going to take the break anyway, so yeah, so yeah, Inshallah, today, I'm

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going to be starting Yeah, I was watching something they had on BBC News, you're looking at one of the oldest fragments of the Koran ever discovered. It's written on parchment, most likely made from sheep or goat skin, and it's been dated by experts as being more than 1300 years old. And that makes it among the earliest known fragments of the Koran, anywhere in the world. And it's here in the University of Birmingham. This remarkable document had been resting on the shelves at the University Library for decades without anybody realizing just how old it was, until a researcher decided to take a closer look. The pages were radiocarbon dated to no later than the year 645. Which means the

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university has found one of the very earliest known examples finding out that we had one of the oldest fragments of the Quran in the in the whole world was fantastically exciting individually and for the University of well as well.

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Well, I mean, we were expecting it to be early. But we did not, I think in our wildest dreams expect that it would roughly correlate to the lifespan of the Prophet Muhammad, which makes it an incredibly early Quranic fragment. The manuscript had been stored here in a collection of Middle Eastern documents brought to Birmingham in the 1920s. Academics here say that this discovery goes back to the earliest years of Islam. The person who actually wrote it may well have known the Prophet Muhammad, he would have seen him probably, he would maybe have heard him preach, he may have known him personally. And that really is quite a thought to conjure with

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Birmingham as one of the country's biggest Muslim communities, and they have welcomed having such a treasure in their city. When I saw these pages, I was very much moved and they were tears of joy and emotions in my eyes. And I am quite sure that even the people from all over UK would come here to Birmingham to just have a glimpse of these pages. People will love this missing lawyer while Raheem ilae Caminada hobby. This is an exceptionally rare and valuable discovery. And the University says it will be put on public display. It has no intention of letting these pages from well history leave Birmingham or short Auckland BBC News.

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I don't know if you've heard of it. So this is one of the miracles that we have imagined you have it just as it was recited back then if someone picks it up, who's learning Arabic they'll be reciting it. And this Birmingham this copy now now this has been verified, they can go check this up. We have other places in the world. But this is now something I think is the oldest one we have I'm not sure if this oldest might be but this is they're saying can you imagine this is something that now during the life of Prophet Muhammad, you have this and now this is something that you're inspiring now to memorize also Serbian who accepts Islam submission to the Creator, not the creation and now you're

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in his program and trying to memorize the verbatim Word of God Almighty, the Koran This is amazing. And that's one aspect of the miracle look, but the other one is that like you were saying it's in the hearts and minds if you were just a burn every copy of the Quran, which is common knowledge you were to lock them up into safe and a vault, get rid of them, you can bring some of these 10 million that memorize it today and in a day, the Quran would be be completed same exact word, but you can't say that with other books with other let you cannot because you wouldn't know which one is which which one is the there is no original, different versions people don't agree on what's the, you

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know, connected to Jesus, what's now this is just like, nothing's authentic. The Quran is authentic. Yeah, that's also what like really drew me towards Yeah, it's not Yeah. It's like the fact that the Quran first of all, has no scientific errors. Like there's many bold statements in there, many bolt. In fact, in the Bible, it says that the moon has its own light. It's a, I believe it's a psalm. It's a Psalm of David. It's like Psalm or no, it's proverbs Proverbs in the 20th chapter, roughly. And it says that the sun is its own light. And the moon is also a smaller light in the Quran, and actually says that the sun is its own light, and the moon reflects the sun's light, which scientifically we

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know is true. Yeah. So the Bible got it wrong. And a lot of Christians they like to claim that Muhammad peace be upon him, like, copied the Bible. This is a common claim. Yeah, but he didn't copy the errors that if he did copy it, like he

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I don't even know how to say that. Like he corrected the mistakes that are in the Bible. Yeah. If he was to copy it, right. Yeah. So this idea, it's like, you know, it's a desperate it's like a straw man, you desperately try to? Yeah, you desperately try to like, knock the Quran any way you can. And you can't. Yeah, and so yeah, that's something that really drew me towards Islam is the preservation of the Quran. You hear that a lot. He copied this, like he just said, when you copy the errors, like somebody's copying from a pier next to him, and now he ends up identically, he's going to have this guy gotta see, he's gonna get to see, right, he takes everything. But no, he's getting everything

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100% There's not he's taking. If he were to take the troops, he would take the errors too, but there's no errors. No 100% Is that you'll have some people, you know, ignorant people who throw some things out there, you know what I mean? But if you go to the experts, you compare it you'd be like, there's there's no way there's no way that this can come from heat and guess all these things. That's what really fascinated me. And I was talking to one of my guests

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about this book, this is a book here. I don't know if you read this book, no is given

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as a gift brief Illustrated Guide to understand Islam. This is one of the first books I read actually. And that just

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You know fascinating he had the prophecies and had the signs you know a lot of science so many things in there and then the basic teachings of Islam really really powerful that just did it for me you know and I've definitely read I was like you I looked into all the different religions and the towhee the pure monotheism that's what really set it off like you know you're only worshipping God that's it you're not worshipping Jesus or Muhammad or the creation in any shape or form, but you're devoting all your prayer your sacrifice everything for the one God for the Creator, Allah. Yeah, thank you for the book. I'm definitely you welcome. I'm gonna put you on the spot now. So since

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you're in the hips now, so people cannot hear this Fatiha this opening prayer. I'm gonna go ahead and share it and recite it for us. Our will be bIllahi min ash shaytani R rajim Bismillah AR Rahman and Rahim. Alhamdulillah Hiro bill our ALEMI Ottawa Nina Rahi. Ma Leakey omit the E Gunner obudu E. Gun starring EQ Dino Syrah, Dylan stopping sera Attila the untidily him of Aden Maga do we are la mala dog

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beautiful Mashallah. Mashallah. So you're reciting the opening chapter. People can go to the deen To get this. If they're in the United States, Canada, it can get this sent over to them. And you were reciting, the opening is the opening of Fatiha and what you just said in the name of God, Allah, the compassion, the Merciful All praises to Allah to God Almighty Lord of the worlds the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful master today judgment, you alone, we worship you alone, we seek help guide us to the straight path, the path for those who you have blessed not those who you're displeased with, or those who go astray. That's the meaning. That's what we recite 17 times a

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day minimum in the prayer. And anybody can go ahead and make this prayer to go and seek help and anything else before we conclude, this is truly amazing story. This is really really inshallah this can be a benefit to so many people, so many more Serbs, even Croatians and others who keep your identity, your nationality, but seek the purpose of life. And if you seek the purpose of life, and you do what you did, ask God to get you out of confusion, say guide me, wherever you are, guide me, you'll be led to where you're at today. So what else can you for the struggles for people out there? What advice would you give them who are in that situation? They're like, Okay, I'm brought up in

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this way. But they know they have this trepidation, their heart they're seeking to know purpose of life, but Islam, all the negative stereotypes and all the junk that people throw at it. What did you have to think outside the box? Okay, um,

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I can't really relate too much to other religions, like Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, I can't really relate too much to anyone who practices that. But what I will say for a lot of the Christians, right, I think the most important thing, a Jewish scribe came to Jesus and the Gospel of Luke chapter 10, a Jewish scribe came to him, verse 25, he asked him, How do I gain eternal life? Jesus responded, do you know the law of Moses? The man replied, Yes. Jesus said, how do you read it? There's the key. How do you read it? Jesus didn't tell the scribe, how do you interpret it? What are your opinions on the Law of Moses? How do you understand the law? Not he said, How do you read it?

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Right? Clear? You shouldn't tell your own interpretations on in all this.

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The scribe then replied, and then he like read the law, Moses, you know, hero, Israel, our Lord, our God is one XYZ, you know, all that. And Jesus said, you have answered correctly. How so? I think that's the most important part for all the Christians. When you read the Bible, how do you read it? Like, don't listen to what pastors tell you? No, no, this is what he means when he says this. This is what Jesus means when he says this. No, what does it actually say? Right? I think that's the most important part. Because a lot of people we have our own interpretations, we have our opinions, and we try to force it on. So you're born with the Trinitarian belief, and then you try to force it on

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every verse you can find. You try to just force it in there, even if it doesn't fit. But now how do you read the law of Moses, where God says, hero, Israel, the Lord, our God, the Lord is one. How do you read that? The Lord is one, one, you could try to force? All but this is what it means it's a trinet. No, no, no. Because Jesus said, how do you read it? He didn't say, how do you interpret it? How do you what's your opinion on it? And so I think the most important thing for all Christians read the Bible. And how do you read it? Don't force a Trinitarian belief and don't force a Unitarian belief. Just read it and just see what happens. And also, I would recommend, just try reading the

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Quran because

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that's where I started. Like when I first started researching Islam, I just read the Quran. The first, I think I stopped at Iran. I didn't get to Aneesa yet. So I finished like the first three or four chapters. And then

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that's when I was like waiting to make my decision. Like, that's how I opening was, I didn't even have to read the whole thing. I was like, No, I'm ready. So I would say, for all the Christians, how do you read the Bible, don't put your own interpretations on it. Don't you know, force beliefs and make things fit where it doesn't fit? And just keep an open mind? Just try and read the Quran. If you hate it, after you read it, okay, then there's nothing I could do. But at least try to read it. And like, ask questions. Be open minded. Don't be ignorant, right? Don't just, ah, no, I was born this way. I'm gonna die this way. Like, that's I, you know, I can't really respect that opinion.

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Were you just like, so close minded, you don't care. If you think the Quran is so wrong, then read it and find an error. And there you go. If you can find one, you'll be the person who defeated Islam. People have been trying for 1400 years, everyone's failed. So if you think you're the guy who could do that, you're the woman who could do that and try it. So I just recommend all the Christians read the Bible. And do as Jesus says, when he says, How do you read it? Don't force beliefs on it. And for everyone who has already reverted to Islam, just take it slow. A lot of people try to rush things, right. And people, a lot of uncle's they're trying to like, Oh, this is the proper sunnah is

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what you should be doing whatever. Don't do this, do this. Pray this way. They'll try to tell you some things. But take it slow. You've experienced that. Yeah, a little bit. They're coming from good places. They want to help. They're coming from good places. But it's like, man, it's been nine months stuff.

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Right? It's not it was revealed over 23 years. And you know, everyone didn't just start doing everything in the first month, Islam was revealed. And, you know, the Quran was real, like, it didn't all just happen in a month. Alright, so all the rivers just take it slow. There's no rush. Just learn the best you can. And you know, what the most important thing Go to the masjid. Go to the masjid because I've noticed when I pray at home,

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there's like, I don't feel as connected. I'm like, I'm, I'm focused on praying, you know, but I don't feel as connected. And sometimes Sheikh Donna will whisper. He's like, Ah, you could pray a little later. Yeah, home, you got time. It's also you got two more hours, and you could pray later. And then sometimes you'd like, get busy and miss it. But if you go to the masjid, when you're supposed to pray the same time every day, you won't miss a prayer. So I recommend, just try to go go to the masjid as much as possible. And there are brothers and sisters who can help you and give you guidance and

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stuff along those lines where they can help you grow a lot more, you know. So I would say those are probably the last three things that I would end off on. And that's solid advice, man, because you can also have some Bosnians who are born Muslim, but then they're not praying even. And now you're here, Marco Marco. Right? Who accepts Islam and he's given advice. Now see, this is the this is the beauty of Islam now. Right? Now you're coming up and reminding people pray in the masjid and make your prayers because you have a lot of Muslims, you know, and they're just think they inherited Islam but they're not practicing properly. You know, they're not even praying. And so, hopefully

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this inspires them to be like, man, if he could do it, look at that, you know, come from this. From this background, accepts Islam comes against his family and everything you know, and now he's over here reciting Quran he's aspiring to be at half is of karate. That's your intention. Now the office of karate chop in sha Allah may Allah make it happen. All right. So inshallah probably maybe I don't know how long some let's say in two years with checkup and how you will know that this will get you more motivation so we can it next time we get you back on you will be half as Qur'an you want to deserving the cry by heart and memory inshallah share one more? Yes, absolutely. Okay. My favorite i

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in the entire Quran. I had to memorize it. I was making dua one night it was before I told my family I reverted to Islam I was making dua dua top dog so do I. It's like when you ask Allah for something so supplication, supplication, right so you're praying you're like y'all do this for me. I'm scared I'm doing you know, and you just name things that you're afraid of, or maybe you want or pleasures or you know, you want a new car. I don't know whatever you want Jana like you want heaven paradise, you know, you pray for different things and you ask Allah for. So I was making dua, and

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I'll never forget this day, I was making dua. It was like one or two in the morning. And I was like, deeply distressed. It was like my film. I didn't know how they were going to react. And I was just listing different things I was afraid of I literally said your alarm scared of this. What if my family rejects me? What if you know I'm not good enough? What if this I literally said I'm scared of this. I'm scared of this. I'm just

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Get rid of this. I'm scared of this. I'm scared of this. I kept naming different things I was afraid of.

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And I opened up the Quran. And literally it was like the third verse, it was like the third verse. It was so I thought, Aha, I have 46 all and that the halfa in aneema Akuma a smell water. Do not be afraid. Your Lord is with you. And I am all hearing and all saying and I think that is the most important piece of advice for all the reverts. You might be afraid right now, but remember what Allah says He is always with you. And he sees everything and he hears everything. And as soon as I have 46 My favorite I probably will die that will be my favorite forever because that point while I'm making two arms I'm saying I'm scared of this I'm scared of this I'm scared of this. Open up the

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Quran is like the second or third eye and it says do not be afraid. I am with you. I am all hearing and

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so those little signs house yes, you're over there now. praying to Allah helped me with this. I'm scared of this. You just happened to open up like five minutes later I like finished dua I'm just I just sat for a few minutes just trying to like gather myself like I was distressed like deeply distressed. And I was just like,

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let me just read the Quran, like you know, and I couldn't read Arabic at the time. I was like struggling I just knew a few letters. So I only read it in the English but after I read in the English I was like I have to memorize this. So despite I couldn't really read Arabic yet at that point. It was like recently after I converted

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I went and like heard someone recite it on YouTube and I replayed it over and over and over and over and over until I could recite it myself. So that's my favorite. I saw all the reverbs just remember, Allah is with you. He's all seeing and all hearing so just don't be afraid. You'll be inshallah inshallah a Miko Thank you very much for sharing that this is really truly inspirational. Inshallah this could be a more a motivation, not just for the Muslims for the Serbs for Croatians any human being out there who wants to know their purpose and can inshallah they can go to listen to your story to get motivated. Go to the deen Right now, you can get this free on us gift from me

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