JEWISH Rabbi’s Reaction To Israeli Police Beating Up Orthodox Jews
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Salam Alaikum greetings of peace. My next guest is senior Jewish rabbi over 30 years and I have a very important question to ask him. We're seeing many clips like this coming out of Jerusalem
and the mainstream media is not talking about this anti semitism that's actually happening down there. We want to go ahead and take a look at this clip so you can see what I'm talking about.
He's also had a message to Donald Trump regarding Jerusalem, we will move the American Embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people Jerusalem.
He's one of the leading rabbis with a movement. Now that's out there. So huge movement you can see over 15,000 Jewish rabbis, teachers and scholars. And did you know that Jews and Muslims live in peace for over 1000? That's right. 1000 years. Don't take it from me. Take it from my next guest. Rabbi Shapiro, this is the day
we're ready to talk about
how much respect I have for the faith of Islam. Show. Welcome to the deen show. The Deen show
how you doing it? It's great to be on your show. Again. It's good to have you back. How are you been? How's everything? Everything's been good. Unfortunately, I wish we could meet under better circumstances with what's going on over there in the Middle East. It's It's horrific. Can you help us make sense of this? We often see we're hearing now rise of anti semitism. But now you have this is it correct? You correct me if I'm wrong? Can we label this this in Jerusalem anti semitism that the media is not reporting out at all, you don't really hear much talk about this, I get a lot of these clips from on on x. And you'll see Torah true Torah, Jews are this and they post a lot of this
stuff and you'll see a lot of this happening. Can you help us make sense of it? There are a lot of different types of anti semitism. There was the anti semitism of the Christians in the Middle Ages that told the Jews you either have to convert or will kill you, which means they had their anti semitism was against the Jewish religion. And if you practice Christianity, they're okay with you. Then there's the anti semitism of Hitler. That said, it doesn't matter if you practice Christianity, the Jewish blood that you have, and it was his definition of Jewish blood. We're gonna kill you anyway. The Zionists are also anti Semites, but they're anti Semites against the anti Zionist Jewish
religion. They don't like the Jewish religion at all unless you're a Zionist, religious Jew.
Let me explain. Judaism like Islam, like Christianity has many different people that claim the exclusive mantle of authenticity. So by the group with the Christians, you have the Catholics and the Protestants, for example, you have the evangelicals, who don't follow the Pope. It's completely different denominations.
In the Muslims, you have the C, Sunni and the Shia, and other religions have that too. In Judaism, you have Zionism. And you have Judaism. And Zionism is according to Judaism, idol worship, it's that simple. I can explain to you a few like, in detail how that works. But the the reason why they created Zionism is as a substitute for Judaism, a modern political, nationalistic replacement and rebranding reengineering of the traditional, religious spiritual identity of Jews that was Judaism and any Jew that resists the Zionist transformation of Zionism. The ones in the video that you saw, are the epitome of those Jews. The Zionists don't like they're anti semitic against the these
particular types of Jews. What you saw that Israeli policemen doing to that Jew is not the worst thing that they've done. No, no, not at all. I practice I practice martial arts. So
He did a he did a judo throw. I mean, he did a judo throw that he could have killed. I mean, he could have just smashed the guy's head on the wall. He could have been dead. I mean what and he and he did it real sneaky came up to him and unexpectedly just slipped, you know, threw him down with the judo throw and then right on the concrete, we do it on mats. He did it on a concrete. Well, well, thank God the guy didn't crack his skull. Other times they did Google Pincus, Sehgal of who was involved in the 50s he was a Jew was involved in a peaceful protest against Zionism, they beat him to death. And then when they came to court, the head of the Israeli police chief, he told the
judge these editorial character guys means these anti Zionist Jews, they only understand one language the heavy hand. So yes, the Zionists don't like the Orthodox Jews, unless you're of the Zionist Orthodox Jews denomination which is more Zionist than Jew or a combination of both. What Why do you think we don't hear this or see this being talked about in the mainstream media? Because the Orthodox Jews don't own any mainstream media, nor do we have any influence over it very little influence over it. I'll tell you a story. I once did a radio show, broadcast over W ABC.
It's a very large radio station in New York, one of the largest. And it was on a Sunday afternoon where they didn't have any by they didn't have any show somebody canceled or something and that some guys paid money to have me broadcast. And I did. We wanted to do it again. And WBC said no way, no way you make our No way. It's much too they get much too much too much pressure against them for me to do it. So they don't, they don't have they won't let us.
They that's pressure. That's what it is. And when we do make a protest or something like that, they're not interested.
You know, there's a lot of influence over the press, and it's not influenced by us. I learned a lot last time we spoke, you unpackaged a lot and people go watch the program that we did. And it had to I had to revisit, because sometimes when you're doing an interview than later, it kind of sinks in and you covered some very important points. I just want to touch upon some of those for our audience here. The first thing I want to start with is the founder here, you spoke about Theodore hurt. So you spoke about Ben Gurion. And you said that they were not they were not
practicing Jews. They weren't you they were actually atheist. And then I went to look, look much of this up and you had so many people also, this is a fact this is not fiction. And many of them were against Orthodox Judaism. Is that correct? It had been Gordian said that Orthodox Judaism meaning the Judaism that says that Jewish tradition doesn't change is Nazi ideology. That's how he referred to our ideology. Theodore hertz soul was you know, the old joke, they say, Jewish joke. What's the difference between Theodore hartsel And Jesus? The answer is Jesus celebrated Hanukkah and hartsel celebrated Christmas.
He was he he preferred Christianity to Judaism. He really didn't like Jews, especially anti Zionist Jews. He said that they are a different race than regular Jews. There was an essay he wrote, it's called Marshall Ma, you sh E L, maybe there's a sea between the s and the H.
Marshall is an old anti semitic word for Jew kinda like cake. And he said basically, that the anti Zionist Jews, that's what they are. They're not real Jews. They their whole idea of Zionism was to transform Judaism from spiritual to political from religious to national, and to create a new identity for the Jews, because they didn't like the old identity.
My opposition to Zionism the Jewish opposition to Zionism, just to be clear, is independent of the issue with Israel and the Palestinians. So for example,
if let's say the Israelis and the Palestinians would come to a two state solution, and both sides would be happy, let's assume even the Palestinians get 95% of the land and Israel's left with 5% in the Negev desert and everybody's happy. Let's say everybody's happy. But Israel remains Israel, the same Israel that it is today.
The Israelis may be happy, the Palestinians may be happy. I'm not happy that Jews are not happy. Because even in that scenario, you still have a state that refers to itself as the Jewish state refers to itself as the state of the Jews. For
fest is an ideology that is a direct attack on my religion. My Religion says the definition of a Jew is that God gave the Torah to people on Mount Sinai, those who received that became Jews. They say no, we are the state of all the Jews, Jews as Jewishness as a nationality. And we're the state of that nationality on you, you American Jews, you British Jews, you Belgian Jews, you German Jews, you are all our constituents. So if we get into a fight with somebody, let's say the Palestinians are out of the picture, we get into some economic fight with China, for example.
We are and the Chinese will be angry at Israel, we American Jews will be sitting here subject to the ire of the enemies of Israel. We have no interest in being involved in any of Israel's politics. I am not Israeli, I am not Palestinian, I have nothing to do with Israel. I say those left wing Jewish organizations, let's say JVP.
I think that they actually are counterproductive to a Mideast peace process. And I'll tell you why. Let me ask you something. Edie.
Who are the enemies of the Palestinians, the Israelis are the Jews?
Who are the ones who whoever
the people who are, who are there who are oppressing them, who are it's taking their land? Is it the Jews of the United? It's not? Exactly it's Palestine versus Israel, it's not the Jews? If so, if that's true, and it is, it's not the Jews, that are the enemies that are in a war with the Palestinians, of what benefit is it for Palestinians to
show that there are Jews that are on their side?
They should be shown their Israelis on their side, the fact that they consider it beneficial to their cause, to say, even Jews are on our side presupposes that the Jews are the enemy.
But you said that Jews and Muslims, Muslims and Jews were living together when I opened up with the program, were living together, I said, don't take it from me take it from a rabbi of over 30 years Jewish rabbi, scholar and academic that Muslims and Jews have been living together for over 1000 years, and peace and relative peace, is that correct? The Jews had a much better time under Islam than they did on to Christianity in Europe, and to the point where when the Zionists wanted to take over the Holy Land, so the Jews living there, the pious Jews living there, went to the British and they even went to the Arabs, to say to Turks, the Ottomans to say we don't want the Zinus here, we'd
rather live under anybody, we do not want them there. There was a man by the name of Jacob de Haan, who is the messenger of the Jewish community there to the British. He was a high powered academic, he spoke many languages, and he was considered a prominent, modern professor in many circles, and he was a good spokesman for the Jews. They resign, assassinated him, they assassinated him.
They admitted it, the guy by the name of from Tahoma was the assassin. They found him in Japan after the war. And he said, Sure, he was putting Zionism endanger
the Jews and the Muslims lived in relative peace. There were better times than others. There was the Jew, there was the golden age. You know, there were other times. But there's no question that the Jews had a better time on to the Muslims and they did on to the Christians much better. In Israel, and Palestine in those days. The when the men, the Jewish men in Jerusalem went to synagogue, the women usually didn't because they stayed home to watch the children which is also a part of a service of God equal to go into the synagogue. We have the same we have the same thing for Juma prayer. Same thing with the woman staying there not
It's not obligation for them to go but they get also the reward being at home. There you go. Except for one day on Yom Kippur the holiest day of the year the women go to the synagogue now somebody has to babysit the children but we had we had that we had same thing that's the comment that we have eat now eat prayer where their courage to come out on that day. Yes, so guess who that there are no Jewish teenage girls there are boys to babysit the kids. Guess who babysat the kids? Were on Yom Kippur. Muslims Arabs bag babysat the Jewish kids in Jerusalem. That's how it was until Zionism came and it's not only I who say it, did you hear that clip from on CNN, from Queen Rania of Jordan. I
didn't see what was that. Oh,
Oh, you have to see it, you have to see it. That's from the queen of Jordan, the queen of Jordan, Queen Rania of Jordan had an interview on CNN, I want to absolutely and wholeheartedly condemn anti semitism and Islamophobia, that it's never okay. It's never justified to attack somebody based on their political beliefs. But I also want to remind everyone that Israel does not represent all the Jewish people around the world. Israel is a state and it alone is responsible for its own crimes. Jewish people around the world, many of them are appalled by what they're seeing. And, you know, like you said, Islamophobia is the other side of the same disease. And we Muslims, we have to be the
first to condemn anti semitism, we have had a long history of peaceful coexistence. So this is not about religion. It is about politics. And what we've seen in recent years, is the charge of anti semitism being weaponized in order to silence any criticism of Israel. So defenders or supporters of Israel who cannot defend Israel's actions or conduct, they revert to the Revert to shutting the conversation down by equating criticism Israel with anti semitism. Let me be very, very clear, being pro Palestinian is not being anti semitic. Being pro Palestinian does not mean you're pro hummus or pro terrorism. I think Israel deserves more from its allies than just
unequivocal support. I think it deserves some uncomfortable truths. Because if you are a real friend, you support your friend when they're right. But you also tell them when they've crossed the line. Okay, that was Queen Rania. She mentioned the fact that number one, Israel doesn't represent the Jews very important for people to know. Israel tries to convince people that their actions represent the Jews. They don't. Now a Jew could be anti Israel, he could be pro Israel. He could be semi pro Israel. He could have whatever opinion he wants. But what Israel does has nothing to do with the Jews. To me it to Jews, Israel is the same as Ukraine. There are Jews living in Ukraine,
and they are Jews living in Israel. But Ukraine's actions don't represent the Jews and Israel's actions don't represent the Jews. What Israel wants is for P Zionists want for people to think that when Israel does something, that's the act of all the Jews, and that puts Jews in danger. And that's what Korean Queen Rania and I'm very grateful to her for saying this, that is, was saying that don't hold us responsible for anything Israel does. Here's the thing you remember during the COVID. So there are people in Chinatown here in New York that got beaten up because they were calling it the Chinese virus. That's what happened. They're calling the Chinese virus so they're beating up Chinese
people. Now obviously, Nobody's allowed to beat up Chinese people because of a Chinese virus. They those people are criminal. Those are thugs, no question about it. But there are lowlifes, criminals and thugs out there, there are bad actors in the street. But even if somebody is a bad actor, and he will beat up Chinese people because of a Chinese virus, he would never beat up an Irish person because of a Chinese virus. That's insane. Even if you're a criminal, you wouldn't do that. So there are criminals out there who will beat up Jews in the street, the anti semitism is rising, as is Islamophobia all over the world because of what's going on between Israel and Palestine? That's
wrong. And it's not merely because don't blame all Palestinians in America for what Palestine does. That's true. I don't blame all Israelis in America. This is worse.
Blaming Jews for what Israel does is like blaming Irish people in Australia for blame for what Israel does. Jews in Israel are two different things. It's not merely that,
like, there are Italian Americans that come to America, and now they're Americans, and don't connect them with Italy anymore. No, my family's from Poland. I have nothing to do with Israel. The idea that there's a connection between Jews Judaism as a religion, that's my whole identity. I'm an American by nationality. And I'm I practice a religion that says God gave Moses the law on Mount Sinai, I follow that law. I have nothing to do with any other country in the world, except the except the United States in America of America have nothing to do with some country in the Middle East. Nothing there. Their idea that Jews are connected to Israel. That's the definition of Zionism.
Zionism says that Israel is not the country the Israelis, Israel is the country of the Jews. Now, nobody should beat up anybody. Nobody should attack anybody non competence, nobody. However,
the fact that there are bad people out there that will attack non competence. Why should they attack me?
What do I have to do with this fight? If somebody came to me and said, Well, you're Ukrainian and I'm Russian, and I'm going to attack you, because you're Ukrainian and you support Ukraine, what do you think I'm going to tell them? I'm gonna, I'm not Ukrainian. Leave me alone. That doesn't mean you should attack the real Ukrainians. That just means you What do you want from me? I'm not involved in this. I am not involved in the the Israel Palestinian conflict, I have nothing to do with it. I'm not doing Israel not to Palestine, I can have an opinion about it the same way I have an opinion on Russia and Ukraine, the same way I can have an opinion on Indian Kashmir or China and
younger Muslims. But I have nothing to do we have nothing to do with Israel. And I want to say this Eddy, that and therefore, I really believe it's, it's counterproductive for the Palestinian cause, for them to try out Jews and say, look, here's a Jew, and even he believes that the Palestinians are right. The reason that's counterproductive is because of what I said before. If the Jews are not your enemy, and Israel is your enemy, if the Jews are not who you have a fight with, but Israel is, and you agree with that, and these Palestinians agree with that. What's the point of what benefit is it to say, look, this American Jew, he's American Jew, even he agrees with us, you won't find
Israelis that say that. That'll be for your cause. But to come and say, well, Jews are not. We're not in a fight with Jews. We're in a fight with Israel. But there's a Jew in America. There's a Jew in England that agrees with us. Look, everybody, even a Jew does. It's a paradox. It's paradoxical. It's contradictory. And the Zionist snowless and the Zionists are happy. When they have these left wing Zionists that come in, they say, Well, we're we are against the occupation. You know what if you find Israelis that are against the occupation, that'll be very good for your cause. But if you find Jews that are against the occupation from England, or from America, that's no different, no
better or worse for your cause. Then if you find Catholics or Protestants or Hindus, from in America or England, that's that that's on your on your side. You also, you spoke about just going back in history a little bit, a chief rabbi that at that time when Muslim and Jews living in peace, and now you had this push to create this state and the Jewish rabbi sent a messenger to the British, saying, You cover this now that they don't want designers to rule and then this was Jacob de Han, and then he was actually assassinated. Jacob de Haan Jacob de Haan was assassinated by the Zionists, a man by the name of Rome to homie, what happened was that he was about to go to the British to send a
message to the British that the Jews in Palestine have no interest in the Zinus taking over and creating a Jewish state.
So this, this was not just a murder or manslaughter. This was an actual assassination, except assassination. They made sure there was nobody in the street.
At that time, it was premeditated. It was a group of people together, conspired, he came out of a hospital in which there was a prayer quorum that just took place. He was coming out of the prayer quorum. And somebody asked him, What time is it he, he looked at his watch, and they shot him in the chest a couple of times. They later of course, denied it, but then they admitted it. They admitted it later this happened. This happened in in the UK. No, this happened in Israel In Israel. This happened in Israel. This happened in Israel, before Israel was created in Palestine in the Holy Land. This happened in Israel in Jerusalem, this happens. Wow. This is a political assassination in
the Middle East. We talked about hurt so it's been gorian confirmed that they were atheists.
How about the person now he's using the Bible, the New when we spoke, you said Thank God, former prime minister, my prime ministers now he's actually the prime minister. And he's actually quoting the Bible. He's quoting certain verses calling certain people Amalekites. But then I remember we spoke before he said he's also an atheist. He's a secular, and Tanya, who was completely secular. He is a rule about Netanyahu. Whenever he is involved. He involves himself in biblical exegesis. So stuff like that. He's pandering to the evangelicals. The Jews understands that he's a joke when he speaks about the Bible, and that he has no idea what he's talking about. You guys understand he's a
joke. Now the scholars academics, not not even scholars and eighth grade. yeshiva student knows that he's a joke. He knows less about the Bible than than an elementary school kid. And he knows a Mullah which is what he referred to that's a that's a nationality which
We don't know who they are now they're not like one particular country they're there somewhere we have no idea where we don't actually kill anybody but the Utah the clip when he was you saw the clip? Yes. I saw the clip. i He's, he's mind he's out of his mind. And he's using Sorry, not sorry. Go ahead. No, and he's using that a maleic referring to Israel's political enemies as the Amalek is a nationality, nationality, more. It's like a
people, of people whose souls whose very existence is the epitome of evil, you know, again, there you can't look point to a country and say That's them. This was a ancient biblical people, or concepts that today you can't identify. We don't know who they are, or where they are. So we don't go around killing people, but for an Netanyahu to go and say that the Palestinians are a Malik. And that
the reason why they are more like this was the implication is because Israel's enemies. The are, are God's enemies are the Jewish people's enemies, their eternal enemies. It's like an anti Jew. Yeah, I guess you can call them Allah, you know, the Christians have an antichrist. It's not exactly the same thing. But you can call a Malik, by way of analogy, the anti Jew. So because Israel is in a war with these people, they're the anti Jew. They're the epitome of evil. Therefore, they all have to be wiped out. No, it's insane. And he's pandering to the evangelicals. Every sixth grade yeshiva kid knows that Netanyahu is what we call in Hebrew. And I'm Haaretz and ignoramus, an empty vapid,
human being that knows nothing about the Jewish religion, which he doesn't accept. He is totally secular, completely secular. And it was a big scandal, which it shouldn't have been, when they caught him on video, some people in Europe when he was eating non kosher food in a non kosher restaurant, but that's what he does. He doesn't respect anything of the Jewish religion, he doesn't keep the Sabbath, He doesn't do nothing. He is I want to tell you, as a rabbi, I want to tell you something. Whoever's a good Jew, and closer to us, are those that are closer to God. God is our father and our King. And I'm sure the same thing with the Muslims. Whoever is closer to God is
closer to us. Right? A loyal Jew means somebody who's loyal to God just like a loyal Frenchman and means somebody who's loyal to the French king, the Jews have a king and that's God, whoever is loyal to him as loyal, whoever is further from him, is further from the Jews. And therefore, listen to me, a Muslim who believes in God and between me and you. The Muslims believe in the same God that the Jews do, the necessary existence, the first cause,
the creator of the world, to the creator of everything, those words necessary existence first, cause it had been rushed, or Allah Ghazali. I know about these Muslim philosophers from studying Judaism. I never in my life, studied any of Muslim theology, but I know it from my manatees from crushed cash from the Jewish books that quote them, and
law abiding Muslim, average law abiding Muslim that doesn't worship idols, that believes in God that has a follows a regular system of civil law doesn't have to be the Jewish one a civil law, and fulfills the seven Noahide laws, which according to Judaism, all the world is obligated to fulfill. And the Muslims are one step closer to that because they worship the first cause that they believe in it is closer to God than a godless atheist, like Theodore hartsel. Well, tell me, you mentioned
morality, some amount of these how would we look morality is one of the greatest he's like.
He's looked at as like, well, one of the greatest pioneers, scholars of Judaism and correct of his time is his time is Is it true that he was the personal physician for Salahuddin? I've heard this is that yes, this is true. In fact, I want to tell you a story. I have a friend guy from my neighborhood. He went on vacation and he went to Egypt, went to visit Egypt. And he asked the high road driver to drive them around and he asked if there any synagogues here. Now, for some reason, the drivers in Egypt are required when somebody asks for synagogues, and maybe this guy just got suspicious. He called the police because he was afraid this guy was coming to bomb the synagogue or
something. He was he had a baseball cap on he didn't look specifically like a Jew. He didn't have a beard. They ran their passports through whatever technology they have. And they found out that the man's wife, the woman
his maiden name was maman means that she was a descendant, direct descendant of my manatees. Wow. When they found out they gave her a royal welcome. They brought her to some Muslim school where the girls came out one by one and kissed her hand. They brought them to the manatees synagogue and took out the Torah and let them read from it. They thought that that was a thing really isn't the thing by us doesn't make a difference. reading the Torah of a synagogue isn't actually a thing randomly, but they they meant well.
And they wanted to put them up at a expensive hotel. And they brought that Israel was the next stop on their vacation. They sent them to Israel on like a private government plane. Because they said me manatees may manatees is like a celebrity a superstar in Egypt.
Wow. I mean, this is like opposite. I have this one professor. He's very well known. I don't if you heard of him, he keeps coming up in my timeline. And I'm seeing some of his messages. God saw it. Professor God saw it. Have you ever heard it from from Canada? No, the name is familiar, but I don't think I know anything about someone like him. And then Ben, we spoke about Ben Shapiro last time. Let me people like this god sod who are pushing this and he's someone I he's pushing this division, you know this, that Muslims intrinsically they hate Jews. And you're, it's not about the land. It's not about any of these things. He's like, this is what it is trying to link it to. It's a
theological thing that Muslims want to eradicate Jews and whatnot. So when you hear stuff like that, and what do you what do you have to say? Here's what I have to say. Muslims do not intrinsically hate Jews. You're Muslim. I'm a Jew. I don't think you intrinsically hate me Queen Rania. This is the for crying out loud. This isn't the queen of Jordan. You heard what she said, Okay? She does. She's not nobody's going to. Nobody's going to put pressure on her to say something else. This is the queen of Jordan. All right. Now, the reason why they say this is if you look, okay, Israel has a ministry of husbands. I'm sure you've heard of it, right? It means propaganda. Literally, the word
husband right in Hebrew means explanation. You probably have a similar word in Arabic.
I'm guessing Hasbara. To think to explain something like that Sivan or something like that. Anyway. So in Israel's Frank Luntz was once hired by Israel, to figure out what the best arguments for Israel are and what people who are arguing for Israel should be saying, and he actually the Israel project, Tip Tip put out a manual, you can get it online, or words that work. That's what it's called. And in there, it says, one of the things it says is that you should always What did they say? Make sure you understand the argument is about say, you should say the argument is about ideology and not politics. His words are terrorism, not territory. And the reason is, because if you
talk about Israel wanting territory, people will not approve of that. But if you say Israel fighting terrorism, then people will approve of that. That those are his words. That's the slogan terrorism, not territory. So the more it's an ideological, religious war, the less like, number one, the more likely it is for Israel to get support, but to the less likely it is for anybody to suggest that it's possible to make peace. Because war is over territory. You can compromise you can make peace, right?
You could change an enemy to a friend we Adam bar we Adam bombed Japan once upon a time. Not long later, we weren't enemies anymore. One one day United States was fighting with Russia against Germany against Hitler, the biggest monster in like history of the world. Not long thereafter. We were allies with Germany, against Russia. That's how politics works, right?
But if it's a religious war, if its intrinsic, there's no hope for peace, no hope to live together, no hope to reconcile no hope for change. The Muslims are intrinsically evil intrinsically. They hate the Jews. Intrinsically. There's nothing you can do. Also, it explains the motive for the Muslims that doesn't the issue he'll be here therefore is not what Israel did or does or what her master or does the issue is Muslims intrinsically hate Jews right? That's what they want people to believe so that's a blatant lie. And that's a that's a blatant lie is braids, a blatant lie. The issue? The issue is not
Muslims, the issue is not Jews. The war has nothing to do with Muslims and Jews. The issue has to do with Israel and Palestine or now Israel and Gaza. That's where the war is. It's politics. It's an issue of territory. It's an issue of two countries. It has nothing to do with Jews. It has nothing to do with Muslims. Besides which a lot of the just like Netanyahu was secular, a lot of the Palestinians a secular right. Yasser Arafat was married to a Christian, right. And there were there are plenty of Christian Palestinians. And there are plenty of Palestinians who are secular.
This has nothing to do with religion and a ton yo trying to make it have to do with religion. He can't fool the Jews, he's pandering to the Evangelicals that's like so people can understand. It's like we have prayer five times a day. We have the Juma on Fridays. So there are certain five pillars of Islam that you go ahead prayer, fasting, charity, all these things. If you're not doing it, then you're just Muslim by name, name tag Muslim, you're not. So this kind of the same thing, what we have here, tell me this, you made an equation to the idol worship, and this is something that is what we call shidduch. schicke is like the greatest sin that somebody's associated partners with God
Almighty, the creator, and you mentioned the story of the cat, I think you mentioned that it started have me think of the calf, when you had a certain group. And I want to link this back to when we talked about someone like Ben Shapiro, after we have a concept called tick fear. If somebody is doing certain things, then the scholars would talk with him, question him and then they can not just the layman to tick fear to excommunicate him or take him out of Islam. But there's certain things that if he does that can take you out of Islam. And that's one of the greatest things if you're worshipping other than God Almighty. So would you say that had me thinking like with someone like
Ben Shapiro, and the like, because you had a certain group at that time, Moses, who we love and revere is one of the mightiest messengers. So he got the torah, he got the Commandments from God. When he came back, there was certain groups that were worshipping the cab, we have this story there in the Quran, they came, they're worshipping the calf. And can you equate at that time people like Ben Shapiro, who were doing the idol worship with at that time, at this time, people like that, who are trying to represent Judaism of Jews, but they're actually like those, those those followers at that time, who did idol worship? who weren't the troops? How would you? What category would you put
someone like there's Ben Shapiro and people like that people who are pushing and they're the front actor, the reason I mentioned him, because this is one of the strong proponents, actors who are really pushing, you know, for war pushing for the annihilation of the Syrian people and whatnot. Right. So the first thing as you mentioned, I forgot what the Arabic word that you use before you actually get any tech fear before you go over to him and talk to him or something. Yeah, it's the same thing over here. So judging an individual person, I would have to hear his side of the story. And if he spent if he admits, yes, he's a Zionist, and he believes that Israel is the state of the
Jews. And as a Jew, he needs to be loyal to a particular country, and the elements of nationalism, yes, absolute idol worship, and I will explain why it's no different than if the person bows down to a totem pole in Judaism. And here's why.
The definition of a Jew is
it better more accurate than calling it a religion, I would call it a job description, given by God to fulfill the 613 commandments and 1000s of subdivisions of them.
Therefore, if I say, as a Jew, I must do XYZ. What that means. That's part of my religious practice. If I say because being a Jew means only a type of religious practice the same way being a policeman means that you have a job to be in the police force. And if you say, as a policeman, I must do this You mean as your job of being a policeman? If I say as a Jew, because I'm a Jew, therefore XYZ that means it's part of my religious practice. So if I say as a Jew, I have to fulfill the Torah or as a Jew, I have to do XYZ because it's in the Torah or, or it's proper according to the Torah, then that's good. But if I say as a Jew, I have to be loyal to a certain country.
Then I'm saying that's part of my religion part of my Jewish identity is something physical political outside of religion, and that's no different than saying as a Jew, I have to bow down to the Seidel it you don't need to have to set you don't need to say this idol is created the world well this idol has power. What you do need to say is that a this country or this totem pole or whatever it is, bowing to it is part of my religion.
Part of my Jewish identity, we'll put it that way, this part of my Jewish identity. Besides the Torah, that's idol worship. Or if I say this country is going to save me, the Jews are not in God's hands. Now we finally have a country now we finally have an army. That's called kofi, the lightsome Yachty. That you don't rely on God, you're relying on
an army, an individual, his fate. He's allowed to carry a gun if he feels he needs to, he's allowed to, like, you know, take karate lessons like you did.
He's allowed to lock his doors at nights because as an individual is as an individual because that he's not doing it as a Jew. But if you say the Jewish people, the Jewish people are under God's control, as a whole collectively, for somebody and say the Jewish people as a whole now are better off because Israel has an army or Israel exists. That's what we call cathedra. You have a word for that. I know in Arabic a Cofer Yes. confit Kufa to do Khufu Yes. Okay, so we have a cathedra. Same word today. Same thing. Yes. Same thing. Yes, it means denial. And aside from that aspect of it, if a person thinks that he as a Jew is connected to anything as a Jew, he's connected to anything
besides God and the Torah. That's idol worship, because you're bringing into your Jewish identity, which means your religion, something other than what belongs there. So how would you cut someone like Ben Shapiro? Does he? Would you say he falls under the category of idol worship? If he, if he were, if he believes any of the above? He absolutely is.
Their idol worshippers, like Benjamin Netanyahu, substitute the Jewish religion for idol worship. And there are those who in the like, in the days of the Bible, who were regular Orthodox Jews, but worship the bow.
There are Orthodox Jews who worship idols to today. And there are there's a big temptation just as there was in the olden days to worship idols, there's a different type of temptation, but there's a big temptation for Zionism today, especially with all the propaganda that's turned out. Tell me this. Before we conclude this, I have a couple more questions if you can help me understand, because so from you mentioned Christian Zionism, and I know there was a person, a priest by the name of John Nelson Darby, and he's the he created this dispensationalism. Are you familiar with that? Absolutely. There's dispensationalism. And then you had all of these. When I understood speaking to
a Christian pastor, these weird, strange teachings of Christianity. And then you had the cyber Scofield who met someone who knew John Nelson Darby, and they put all this in the Scofield Bible, they push this, I think this got funded from the American Zionist Association, maybe you can help me understand this also, from your perspective. And they pushed us out there, million just given a condensed version, they pushed us out there. This is actually fake teachings that are really not even part of Christianity. And they got they pushed us into the churches, they pushed this into the American public. And what happened is that we also have today, we have this, this fake I call it
this force prophecies that they're trying to fulfill this rapture and whatnot. And then you have the Third Temple Institute, and they're trying to rebuild the Third Temple. And can you help us understand this from Jewish perspective? Sure, it started earlier than those guys. I'm reading now from a website, I see E. J. usa.org. Called, that's the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem, the history of Christian Zionism. In 1587, a man named Francis Katz was burned alive for expressing his belief that the Bible prophesies the return of the Jews to their lands. Moreover, in 1607, Thomas Brightman published a book in basil called the revelation of the Revelation. In this
book he wrote, or whatever, some bunch of Zionist Christians are in a stuff, yeah. Fifth, late 1500s, early 1600s. This is before any Jewish Zionist was born. In fact, there was a Reverend William heckler, who came to us Theodore hartsel, and introduced him to heads of state, but he was a Christian Zionist, he had some kind of ideas that hurt souls, that Zionism is the beginning of the redemption, the final redemption when Jesus comes back, which by the way, there are many Zionist Orthodox Jews that believe that the State of Israel is the beginning of the redemption, our Messiah, the Christians had that idea way before they did that a lot of Zionism is taken from a Jewish
As taken from the Christian version, the Christians have this idea that the Jews are going to return to their homelands before the second coming of their Messiah. And then there are differences of opinion among them. Some believe that when the Messiah comes, the Jews will be killed. Others say they'll convert, and there are other opinions. But those are the two main lines.
Just as I told you before, that whoever is closest to God is to me, closer to me,
is an Muslim who believes in God is closer to God, than an atheist like Theodore hartsel. And when I say closer to me, I mean,
you're not my enemy. Those people, people who don't believe in my king, they are further from me.
But to the Zionists, whoever believes in Zionism is closer to them. So yesterday, in Washington, DC, there was this big
pro Israel rally there. And you would think that the speakers it was organized by Jews, guess who one of the speakers were?
Paul Hagee? Yes, yes, I saw that. Yes. So So you have an anti semitic Christian guy. There were no rabbis, by the way, who spoke? The only rule, the only you call them anti so you have anti semitic,
anti bot, but if the anti Semite is even if he's Christian, Jews don't believe in Christianity, any version of it, right? We don't believe in it at all.
There God is a trinity and not like yours, which is a first cause. They are further from Judaism in terms of theology than Islam.
They didn't have any rabbis speaking you don't lose your place. You can actually as a rabbi, you can pray in a masjid right. A mosque. So, yes, yes. I'll get back to in a moment with that. The answer is yes. The the it's, there's a disagreement amongst our authorities. But the bottom line is yes. The
this guy because he's a Zionist, he spoke at a Jewish event. It was organized by Jews, they had Orthodox Jewish Zionists there. Hagen
is a leading leading one evangelical for this cause isn't he? And he one of them I don't know if he's the but if he's certainly one of them, one of them. It's like the they'll know rabbis who spoke this is Zionism. Zionism as replacement for Joe rabbis. No orthodox rabbi. No, no, no. Zero, Justin, just a Christian evangelical televangelists or whatever they call them. And And don't forget, I think I saw some clips and some some some music bands. Oh, yeah. I didn't see all of that music. It was that it was like a concert. Judaism was a connection between the Jewish people in Ghana. Yes, we are a different religion than Islam. No question about it. Islam is a different religion. And I know
you Islam believes in abrogation, we don't we consider it against our religion, no question about it's a different religion. But
at least Muslims believe in the right God. They're not idol worshipers, like other religions. And for that we were people of the book. We were considered to you guys all the time, right? Yes, absolutely. But
atheists are much further from my religion. Then, Muslims are atheists suffer. They don't believe in any God. Even an idol worshiper is closer to me, theologically than an atheist. Now to Zionists. Whoever's closer to loyal to Israel, that's what counts. Kurt Oban he can be an anti Semite. It doesn't matter in a ton yo cuddles up to him. You can have a guy like Hagee. It doesn't matter if he's Christian what his belief saw Zionist boom he speaks for them. Now as far as them as the masjid is concerned, I have to tell you interesting thing that the word Masjid Orthodox Jews should know what it means.
In our prayers, we have a stent. I was thinking thinking somebody told me this. I didn't even realize this friend of mine. We have a statement in our prayers. It's an Aramaic I know after the cuccia bro who decided no come a sir good no means we are servants of God. We bow to him. Sir good. No means we bow. Now the SOG good. If you use the soft Gimel like Egyptian it's such IDs. And whenever you put an M sounds in front of a word like that, it becomes a place so Masjid
In our rabbinic Aramaic would mean a place where you bow Am I correct? Yes prostration must frustration that's exactly what it means. Yeah.
God Almighty Allah is telling us the whole earth is obeyed as a place of such die as long as there's certain requirements has to be cleaned and whatnot but such a prostrating totally one and only one God. So, so good, is our word for bow for frustration.
And we suck. It's such that's such a That's right. So I get saved. Yes, it's the same word. It's the same word.
But, you know, again,
Theodore Hertzel, theoretically could have repented, and then he would become a good Jew like me and in terms of potential, he has that potential, but so long as he chooses not to repent and remain an atheist and all atheists, they are further from my theology than anybody that believes in any god. Certainly, people who believe in the first cause necessary existence, the CBOE Regina, the creator of the world.
Your message to Trump, you had a message to Trump, can you before we conclude, we have a few minutes left? What was that message about because he was mentioning Jerusalem capital and you made a specific message to Trump on this.
Zionism transforms Judaism, from a religion to politics, from spiritual to political capitals of places are a political entity. It's a it's the most important city, in a state or in a country, Jews are not a state or a country, Jews have no capital, even in the days of King David, when Jerusalem we'll call it the capital of King David's kingdom. If there was a non Jew living in King David's kingdom, Jerusalem was his capital also. The capital is a capital of a place the Jews are a religious community. It makes no sense to say that Jews have a capital. Trump said Israel's eternal excuse me, Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people. He is conflating more than
conflating, substituting Israel for the Jews. And that's precisely what Zionism does. Israel becomes the religion, Israel becomes the focus of identity, Israel becomes the center of Jewish life and Jewishness itself. And that is an attack on my religion a much bigger attack than
saying that, okay, I don't believe in a particular part of
a particular detail. This is a fundamental attack on our, our religion.
Have you ever visited Bosnia? Bosnia? No, no, it's a big it's on did? Yeah, I think so. There's also a big, there was small, but
to this day, a Jewish community there that
found the place of home in Bosnia had Albania, you had places like this. And there was something I read regarding the Jewish community in Bosnia. So I thought, I think you'd like it there. If you've ever visited visit Europe. Let me know I can have someone show you around. So thanks a lot. That's where my family's from from Bosnia. Yes, I may take you up on that. Yes, please. So what do I tell people? When I say I usually mentioned you I mentioned Rabbi Weiss, I mentioned pico Pillet. I mentioned people like this, I consider you guys my friend. You know, we're not like, close, close friends. Like we hang out all the time. But but we have the potential to be I would love to have
dinner and lunch with you. But when I when I see you guys are really practicing Jews, you practice Judaism. Usually, when I hear some of these guys like Ben Shapiro and others, is it safe to say can I call them fake Jews? Well, I call what do I call it like I use the misguided Jews? idol worshipping Jews, is Jews. And that's that there was a rabbi in a seminary that the kids in the school were arguing whether what to how to refer to Zionism with fake or, or idol, whatever. So the rabbi said, What do you mean, the worst thing, the most anti Jewish thing you can call them a Zionism? You don't need anything else? Oh, wow. Yeah, Zionist Jew. And again, this has nothing to do
with politics. This has nothing to do with the war between Israel and the Palestinians. Again, even if the Palestinians were happy, and they had everything they wanted, I would still have the exact same objections to Zionism. Zionism, it's very clear. If anyone can take anything away, Zionism is not Judaism. Absolutely. Either. Listen to me, or Queen Rania. We both agree on that. Me and the queen of Jordan. What message also for people, young Jewish people out there you know coming in
up and you see all the programming conditioning? How can they get more educated on this? Is this a common teaching now like in more so in Orthodox schools here in America with the, with the youth coming up and what advice do you have for them who are confused and they want to go on the side of the 1000 years of true peace that Muslims and Jews had and we want to we want to revive this.
Here's what I was first read my book, The empty wagon Zion isms journey from identity
theft, the empty wagon, empty wagon, they could read the way again, yeah. And secondly, if you want to learn about your Jewish identity, don't go on birthright trips, don't, don't subject yourself to Israeli propaganda to Zionist propaganda. You want to learn about your Jewish identity and your Jewishness. Go to an orthodox rabbi, not a Zionist rabbi, go to a regular orthodox rabbi that studies the Torah, and read Jewish books. There are all sorts of books on our religion. There are all sorts of people that will help you understand what Judaism is, don't subject yourself to some political, nationalist, fake Judaism. They're just using their name in order to attract you as a Jew
to their ideology, claiming that they represent Judaism. They represent Judaism no more than I know the black Hebrews represent Judaism or some or supersession is Christianity represents Judaism. Zionism is just another supersessionism movement. You won't know about Judaism in fact, send me an email, go to my websites go to my go to Rabbi Shapiro dot nets, I have links to everything there. And any Jew who is interested in learning more about Judaism, Rabbi shapiro.net I will hook you up with somebody that can help you out. What can I say is as an ending term of endearment respect, I would say I don't want to you know, God bless you may Allah bless you like I know it's something
about not saying a certain name.
Or you said to ask you how to Allah is fine I have friends Orthodox Jews from Syria, Aleppo, Damascus, and they call God Allah. That's another misconception right there it's a whole different topics you have Jews also who are from this area, who speak Arabic And they call on the Creator by the name of Allah, should they say inshallah? Inshallah. Hashem Ashkenazim say they say inshallah? Yeah, sure. So may Allah bless you.
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