A Conversation on Covid-19

Tahir Wyatt

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I'm very happy to have on the phone line with me, the

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religious scholar for the United Muslim Masjid, our dear brother shake tar here, Wyatt is joining us on the line. And I want to greet him by saying I sit down with him. Brother, he, ma'am, shake tar here, how are you, my brother?

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I'm fine.

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Good, good, I'm very happy that you're fine. I'm happy that you were able to make it back into the states. And you're here. And you're here with us today on the show, brother. And I'm yeah, I'm excited about that man.

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I was thinking about you.

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Because I constantly told me that you you were abroad, and you were traveling. And that,

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you know, one of the concerns that I've asked him, I said, Yo, I hope and pray he's able to make it back into the country, because, you know, they start saying people that were traveling aboard, they had a certain time limit that they would be able to come back to the States. And then once they came in, depending on where they were, they may have to be quarantine. And just to show you

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how things have changed drastically, myself and Qasim did the show last week, and we went out to go eat dinner afterwards with one another at a public restaurant. Now, today, a week later, you cannot even go out in a public restaurant and sit down and have a meal. So I'm very happy that you're back. You're safe. And please share with us your experiences while you were traveling. And you know, let me let me give you some context to show you how much things have changed in the last week. And I'll go a little further back to 10 days.

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When I left the states last Wednesday, which was March 11.

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As you can just backpedal a little bit, the NBA had not stopped yet the NHL, the baseball was still going, you know, nothing had drastically changed. I mean, it was getting serious, but nothing had drastically changed.

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When I landed in Europe,

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on the way to Africa.

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Immediately upon landing, I was, you know, once you can turn your phone back on, I'm getting texts from everywhere, I'm getting all the news headlines and saying that the United States government is preventing flights from Europe to come to the United States. And it was saying at that point,

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initially,

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you know, because the initial announcement that was made was that nobody coming in not even American citizens. So

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you know, we had about a four hour layover, and it was looking like, man, we might have to turn back right now, before Friday's deadline, but then it got, you know, it was clarified that this was not for American citizens and American citizens will be allowed back in

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Hamdulillah, we decided to continue with our journey made it to Kenya.

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And

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at that point, I mean, I don't think we were there for 24 hours before our return flight got canceled. So

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which was in Paris. And so it was like, wait a minute, this thing is getting super real now. And then we got another flight rerouted through England because England and Ireland were initially exempt from the broader rule of flying in from Europe. And then even England and Ireland met the same fate as the rest of Europe. So we wound up having to

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actually just, you know, forget that flight, purchase another ticket and fly back through the day.

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So, it was it was a journey of having to learn.

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You know, it was interesting to watch how things unfolded in Kenya as well because Kenya did not have any

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Coronavirus cases

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for the first day or two that we were there. And then we found out that apparently there was an American woman.

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Younger I think under the age of 30, who had tested positive and then two people had come into contact with her also tested positive so then they had three cases within the border borders of Kenya by Sunday night.

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texts were going out in Kenya saying all schools were shut down.

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They started taking drastic measures to

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curtail the flow.

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traffic to massages. I mean, it got, you know, got real pretty quick there too. And now they have a total ban, it's sort of kind of like how it is in some of the states here where it is no, only essential markets are open, you know, no gyms, no restaurants in terms of dine in, and

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they also given a fetch with the clothes, the massages, but a brother just texted me earlier that day. So most of the mustaches are not, you're not abiding by the such what a bucking the system basically.

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So, anyway, that's, that's the scene. I mean,

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you know, as you know, I mean, we started getting the, all the information coming in from around the world. So it's,

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you know, it's, it's created somewhat of his theory. And I want to just comment on that very quickly, I'm sure you have other stuff you want to ask me. But one of the things that,

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that has been said by some of our teachers that I find to be profound, is that the fear of Corona is more dangerous than Corona,

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I want to want to let that sink in for a minute.

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If we allow the fear, that should be forgotten alone,

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to enter into our hearts to totally take over our hearts to

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create a,

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let's call it an irrational approach to to life, because of the fear of this virus. This is in fact more dangerous for us long term than the virus itself. It's at these times, when the bat or the calamity,

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at least trials that come from a loss of health data, it's at that time that we should turn to Him humbly and submissively. And call upon him to remove the harm that has come to us and to relieve the pain that we're facing, it should be a time for humanity as a whole, to really reassess some of the things that have led to where we are today, whether those things are material carelessness, or whether it is our you know, spiritual,

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you know, in consideration

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to really look at, you know, some of the things that that we need to be doing better.

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And if we don't do that, if our hearts are hard at this time, we still don't have any, you know, sense of, of turning to a lot of showing empathy for our fellow human beings, and to the end of it, then when is that time going to come when we really behave like human beings and not in that like animals?

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So

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this, this is a great test from a last minute data for us as a whole. And it's upon Muslims, you know, to really

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take a leading role and making corrective measures.

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Yes, I agree with you. And speaking of masjids, shutting down in the history of the united Muslim Mattia, which is now 27 years here in the city of Philadelphia, we closed our doors, we closed our doors for the Juma prayer, and both of our facilities, both 15th Street united Muslim Masjid as well as UMC 1251. Point breeze Avenue.

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People were texting they were calling What's going on? Why is the Masters shut down? We are the believers, we only share a law. Why are we doing this? My advice to people that were contacting me was basically look at what's going on around us. Look at the time that we are in when they are shutting down schools. They're shutting down all types of facilities all across the city. And I mentioned to them that just the other day earlier in the week, you had the religious authorities or council within the city of Philadelphia, came together with the mayor and different other management of the city. And they had to make a hard choice to close their doors for their religious services,

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as well. How hard of a decision was that for you? Along with the board of directors of the United Muslim Mattia to shut down for the Juma prayer service? Well, um, it was so hard that it definitely wasn't unanimous.

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So it wasn't a unanimous decision amongst the board to shut down and I mean, that just shows you that it was not an easy decision to make.

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It but but I'll say this, if but when you look at the way that the public responds meaning public in terms of how our government is handling things,

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When non essential

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businesses are being closed when,

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you know, again, you got schools that have been closed, like schools, universities, you know, all educational institutions have been closed. I mean, the fact that matter remains is that it's very reasonable to consider, you know, the fact that we have to shut our doors. If in the event that there was a major snowstorm,

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that calls difficulty for people get into the master, or, in fact, you know, schools were closed government was closed, you know, to the end of, you know, we would consider at that point, also, closing down the message. Even though, even though we only fear a loss of Panama's Island, we don't fear the ice, we don't create a snow. But the practicality of the situation

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may require that we don't hold jobs at that particular time.

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So, as it stands right now, the difference here, I think, for a lot of people is that the United States will have the law has not faced the fate of it. I think that if we had, you know, we're seeing how two people that die. I mean, if they're getting 175 deaths in one day,

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because of the strain on their medical system.

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We haven't gotten to that point, the United States, I pray to a loss of hands out of that he removed this affliction from us, from the people as a whole.

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And I hope that we don't get to that point. But I think for some people, it's not real until it happens to somebody in their community. And the reality is Muslims have been afflicted by it here in the United States, a very good friend, who's a physician, in fact,

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who recently tested positive for coronavirus

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overs six to seven days ago still asymptomatic. So, it just so happens because the physician and because of the position that he's in, that he did test, right, but, but the reality is, is that

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he's a carrier of the virus, and he shows no symptoms.

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And that's the, that's the reality for many people who have been infected, they've been infected by people who do not show the symptoms of the virus. And I guess that's part of what makes this a little bit

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tricky to deal with, right, because you're not dealing with people who are open, not necessarily, you're not necessarily dealing with people who are showing symptoms, yet, they could still spread the virus. And here's the other thing for a lot of people. What concerns them is that while this virus is not necessarily deadly, meaning that the majority of the people who get this virus are not going to die from the virus, they're not even going to be hospitalized. Which is true. However,

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the problem with that logic is that

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we don't have the medical facilities on a global level, you know, to deal with the number of people who would need to be hospitalized, if we don't slow down the spread of this thing. And, you know, spread it out over time.

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And, and I think that's where the danger comes in. So we have to be precautious.

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And part of that precaution. I mean, and that's what you're seeing in much of the Muslim world, you know, throughout the Middle East, and other parts of the world, North Africa, where they've decided that to shut things down, because the best way to control an epidemic is to not mix with people. And so we had a plague

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that happened at the time of the Sahaba of the yellow line on this call, it was called Pol,

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pot and West.

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And basically

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that was the one that's kind of famous Heidi's where Omar will be along with China and was heading north from Medina towards

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the Sham,

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you know, Syria Palestine area.

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And he heard about a play that had come to the people there. Oh Shan and so he returned back to Medina.

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Long story short, the governor of Sham at that time, who was honored as it allows, will be alongside Andrew, Ella. Peace and blessing on May Allah be pleased with him. What he said to the people the advice that he gave to the people at that time was in the footwork, rufiji ban, which means basically the split up and go out to the mountains, another word split up from each other, be distant from each other. This is the way that is going to keep the plague. I mean, this was there.

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own, you know, method of isolation, if you will,

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for those who were ill, and then quarantine and those who were not ill, that was their own method of dealing with it. And it's still the best way to deal with these types of situations when we're dealing with highly contagious diseases, and lost friends out in those best a lot definitely knows best.

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You know, let me just say this, and then I'll let you know pose whatever question you have.

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We have in the Hadith,

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of the Prophet, and both Bukhari and Muslim,

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where the Prophet salallahu it was some of them says, There is no ibwa, which means there is no contagion, there is no infectious disease that spread by itself, which is, which is an important concept to understand, meaning that

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these diseases are agents and they don't act independently. You could have three people in a room, one of them is known to have a disease, he sneezes.

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And it on both people at the same time one of them gets sick, and the other one does, right.

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And that's, and that's the decree of God, that one of them would get sick and the other one doesn't. So as Muslims, we all believe that these diseases act independently of the will of God, that they're not outside of the little guy. In that same heartbeat at the end, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said,

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We're filming and mizukami committed to physical mental assets, and run away from the leper. And he's the one who has leprosy, which is a contagious diseases, you know, the way that you would run away from a lion. So here we have two things in play. The Prophet is instructing us how to approach this theologically, in terms of how we believe in something, we believe that these things will not affect us, except by the will of God at the same time, and take precautions, and we've run away from it the way that we would run away from a line. Now, again, what makes this a little bit different, is that

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we don't exactly know who has it or not, right.

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Unless we know that this person has been quarantined, they haven't come into contact with anybody else for the last, you know, let's say, 14 days, seven to 14 days you can pretty

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you can pretty much be sure that this person

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is not even a carrier. But the reality is we have to pay for causes but not be oversensitive, you know not be

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maybe not oversensitive is not the word, we need to be precautious. But we don't need to be scared. Right? Check this out, I want to do because we got three callers has been waiting very patiently. I don't want to lose any of them. We're gonna go to the phone line, we have balau from only waiting. So now when they come in, welcome to the show, brother. Well, the Koch

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brothers say glad you made it back to the States.

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I would like to make a comment for you just consider it as the next decision making foreign tomorrow's concern.

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And I heard everything you just said and I agree with it with it with it all. However, when you go to the supermarket, and you go to Walmart, or one of those big stores that are selling groceries that we need as a central despise 600 people in the pack,

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pack the pack. Okay, so you're not really listening to their own rules. Okay, so by my opinion that if they could open up the Walmarts and supermarket and pack all those people in at one time, then you know, I mean, technically, we got Jamal for 20 minutes and get out of there. Okay, thank you, brother Balaam. Let's give shake talker an opportunity to answer that question.

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So just so that we're clear, I'm not against having July.

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However, I think that it has to be done responsibly. I do not think that packing

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300 400 people and

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ummm master is responsible. That's number one. Number two, we have been restricted by the law Makka gather with more than 50 people. So you can have jumar with every method that exists you can have tomorrow with 40 people.

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And I think that that is a possibility.

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However, it would have to be done responsibly.

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And we need to take our own precautions as it relates to what's going on in other institutions. To be honest with you, we don't have any control over that. Number one and two wrongs. Don't make it

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Right, so what's wrong with it the one it doesn't make, it doesn't mean that we should go do what they're doing just because they're doing it. The other thing is that what I've seen at the supermarket set the,

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you know, the superstores, your Walmart, so your targets and things like that. I'm not seeing the same picture that the brother just mentioned, I'm not denying that with what he's saying is true, because it can be very different in different places. But I'm not seeing that what I'm seeing is, you know, a few people here and there, and not that there's not a lot of people, but we're talking about huge stores as opposed to a very small confined man. Yeah, so we talked about these huge stores, where even if you had 200 people in it, it really wouldn't feel like it. And we're not coming into that close contact with those people that are there. They're maintaining that, you know,

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social distance thing and so forth. So last night, Allah knows best. But again, I'm not totally, you know, against people congregating to be honest with you, it just has to be done responsibly, will shake what the city has done. Now they have the city has reduced the number to no more than 10 people at a gathering. Now, this is according to the city, according to the city. Now, when we want to do we want to go back to the phone. Well, yeah, well, I'm sorry. You had let me just say there's a difference. And I again, I haven't looked at the city's website. But there is a difference. I just want us to be clear on it, between what they're recommending and what they're prohibiting. Right,

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so. So from what I understand, they're prohibiting more than 50 even even the New Jersey was a little stricter than it is in Pennsylvania a whole lot stricter. Yeah, they're prohibiting more than 50. In fact, the governor said that, even if it's a private gathering, and you have more, more than 50 people, we will shut you down. So the 10, I think is more like what they're recommending. Okay. Where's the 50 seems to be what they're prohibiting a lot. We're going to go back to the phone on we have brother prints from school kill somebody Come brother, welcome to the show.

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Islamic men and women are some of the cleanest people that in practice Islam, truly, there's some of the cleanest people on this earth from the days and they bathroom to wash and daily. So, you know, we're just almost like a casualty of war. But I'm opening up

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a second franchise right down the street from sister Claire Mohamad guys didn't see it, just called Chicka Boom 4626 Lancaster avenue for plans to probably open up another war. So I know you guys have been when

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economics and politics talk with you guys. So I was willing, now also be my number because I also own landscaping company, snow company, construction company moving company. So and all of these were built and designed to take federal contracts. Today, governmental contracts is tied to something. And so whatever I can do to enhance revenues,

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and support and show you guys how to do this.

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Thank you, brother, Prince. Appreciate that, brother.

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Economics economics is very important. today. We're going to go to Jacob was an army.

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take a while to learn to you brother, ma'am. And look, I know we think a lot I know you think a lot for being home, right?

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Oh, but, man, look, I pray that Allah give us what we should learn from this virus, this virus to humankind, mankind have one right? Because it don't discriminate. They don't care whether you are believing Muslim,

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you know, an atheist, gay or lesbian or Chinese or whatever, right? This virus can see that because it it works with that knowledge, right?

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If it had a virus can be smarter than the human. What is what is about that? What can you tell me? That would cool me out? That I could see that I'm living in a time where a virus then got smarter than the human. But thank you, brother, ma'am. I'm gonna hang up and listen to what you say. If anything, I don't know I can't figure it out myself. That's why I asked you. But

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how do you respond?

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Let me let me let me ask you this before you respond today. I got some really important questions. You definitely want to try to get out the way let's talk about but I'm gonna forget. I don't want you to forget go ahead

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and breathe.

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Allah. Allah the mighty majestic says in the four iron familia Muslim Mina Cal Medina mean. Malik who came for tackle moon. Allah says where we met

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The Muslims, we judge the Muslims the way that we do the wrong doors. What is wrong with you? How do you judge

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along throughout the Quran has made many distinctions between people made many distinctions between people, for us to come and

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make everybody one that is in the sight of of God and the way that we are responding to his call. That would be that would be unjust, in fact.

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So I'm not, I'm not sure that I follow what the big Jake was saying here in terms of, you know, there being no distinction. There are plenty of distinctions between human being this virus doesn't distinguish it doesn't discriminate in that sense. And of course, when it comes to people's rights, when it comes to upholding and maintaining their dignity as human beings, then as Muslims, we should be maintaining the dignity of all human beings.

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But but to not make distinctions. Is that okay, I gotcha. I hope that our brother, Jake was able to understand your answer. Oh, yeah.

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I want to talk about

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the thought and you can help me understand this, you know, can we do a remote Juma prayer? Is that possible? I know that in the situation, the masjid was open, but the whole prayer was observed it Can you do a remote prayer can that's something that we can stream so people can can see that? Is that a possibility? Well, not exactly, but what is the possibility and perhaps we should do this moving forward.

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What we could do is,

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you know, have and brothers for example, come together in the master.

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One of them would give the football for example, you man honey, forgive the football.

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And that could be string.

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So that people would still benefit from a cook but every week, but in terms of the salon itself. At that point, the live stream would need to would need to stop and those people who are watching whether in their homes or their offices or wherever they may be, they would need to pray door

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and they could not follow the man praying tomorrow. Okay. That's something I've always wondered about that. Now, I want to ask you now, although we may have suspended temporarily the congregation of Juma prayer, what about the fact that you still have an alarming number of people, men and women coming to the masjid to make the five daily prayers? Maybe not so much the fudger prayer but the Thor the ASA McGreevy shapur you still have a big number of people coming in the masjid. Let's talk about what procedures that you know in a Muslim Masjid is making as far as the cleanliness of the masjid Is there a protocol that after every prayer the door knowledge is gonna be wiped down? The

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bathrooms gonna be sanitized? How about that?

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Well, let me just say,

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I am quarantine.

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You got to self quarantine going on? I really do.

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As for government regulations, I mean, okay. It's mandated by the government.

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And you know, we received the instructions coming into JFK and and also my personal position, kind of re emphasize that point.

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So, there was a

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from from a leadership standpoint, we have discussed

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taking certain measures. I to be honest with you, I cannot say that there's someone is enforcing them because I'm not there and I have not been able to check to make sure However, what I will say is that

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we have changed, or at least in terms of policy, we have changed the opening and closing times for the master, so mentioned is open five minutes before the exam.

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It closes 10 minutes following the main congregation with no exception, and that gives us a chance to disinfect them so everybody has to bring their own prayer rug.

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If not, the other alternative that we have is putting down the like brown bathroom paper towels over top of the carpet so that they can be removed immediately. And we're not worried about the virus being in the carpet.

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The other parts, and I really hope this has been abided by, but I'm really not sure.

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My suggestion was to totally shut down the restaurant in the EU station.

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And

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the reason for that is that viruses spread more in moist environment, what surfaces. So you really can't control the disinfecting part of that. So let's just say for example, a person does have the virus goes in turns on the sink, or the will do area, right.

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Another person comes in right behind them has no idea that person doesn't know the inspector, they have no idea they come in and turn on the sink is more likely to spread through those wet surfaces in any other way.

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Even even airborne Yes, yes. So

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my opinion was to totally shut down the restrooms that was met with a little bit of resistance. But

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you know, because reality is that people need to make will do to pray. And my thing was, that's not the match this prop.

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You know, this is these are dire circumstances, you're right. We have to take extreme measures, it is what it is. And that they need to make sure they get a bottle, they can go outside and they can do I mean, the other thing is,

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as you know, many of our patrons constituents are

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not African American, they come from backgrounds, where they don't believe that it's permissible to wipe over their socks for will do.

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Which is a whole nother issue, right? So what's happening is every time they come into mass, they taken off their socks. And they're washing their feet, and they're not putting their socks back on because what their feet are wet, right?

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You know, how they speak your dry?

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They walk on the carpet.

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Right? So we build a situation now, let's just think about this thing practically, right? We're dealing with a situation now, I mean, this has been a problem. At most matches, like forever, it's not something new, that the area where you first come in, you know, that area has to be shampooed a lot more often than then other areas.

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And so what's happening is now I mean, to me, that's a, that's a hazard.

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You know, we have to be very careful about that.

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You know, but But in general, I don't think that leaving it open for the regular prayers is anywhere near, like leaving it open for so I could have July. Okay. But again, as I mentioned before, on a personal note, I'm not against keeping it open, even for selecting gym if it's done responsibly. Gotcha. Gotcha. Now, let's just look at it like this. We are about one month away from Ramadan. Yeah, and it doesn't really seem And along those best that things are clearing up within the next two weeks, like they have predicted your thoughts on the nightly prayers, your thoughts on the

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if tarde dinners at night, and I'm gonna go even further your thoughts on a IID prayer festivity? I know, I'm stretching far out there, but it's a reality because we are one month away from Ramadan. Well, let me say this.

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This situation, to me has, has a very clear silver lining. It has shown me the scholarship that we have within our American Muslim community.

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I'm interacting with, you know, imagine,

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you know, academics and so forth around the United States. And I feel very confident that we'll come up with a, a solution for both be if stars with a total we're afraid, even if in fact, this thing stretches that long, we were not able to even congregate for the eat, I believe that we'll come up with with solutions that will help reinforce the spirituality of the Muslims. It may be a blessing in disguise, not to have, you know, the huge public avatars every night. And it's not to say that those are bad things at all. But the reality is, is that a company that Arduino is very adaptive

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and, and will find a way to get through this by last leaf. I'm very confident

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And that will help.

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You know and people right now, people literally as we speak, are working on ways to make it work around the dial, if we're not able to congregate, okay, we're going to go back to the phone and we have our last caller for the day brother Nafisa. Now when he come Welcome to the show, brother.

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He's going, Oh, now please call back to 156348065 to 156348065. If you're just tuning in, this is Islam. Today, we're talking to shake Tarr here why he is the residential scholar in house scholar for the United Muslim Masjid. And he is giving us some tips, some advice he shared with us his trip that he was abroad and different things that he was blessed to see while he was away. He's now self quarantine. He's not in the masjid. We don't want people to think that he's in the masjid. And he's leading the prayers and teaching classes and things. No, he's self quarantine, by the advice of the government of the United States, and the advice of his personal physician, check. Let me ask you

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this. When you were traveling abroad, what were some of the things that you seen? Did you see the masjids being open? Did you see the masjids being closed down? And was it towards the end of your departure of your trip that you witnessed some of these things? Yeah. So that that was that was towards the end of the trip dimensions was still open. But let me tell you this, the market dried up, it was unbelievable to see.

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You know, how to markets were abandoned.

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And, you know, of hungry land.

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When I was in, when I was on the way out, I was in Nairobi, and a brother said to me, he said, Listen,

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we have people here, they have to go out and do what they do on a daily basis, but they don't eat. These are people who live literally day to day. And he was saying, I just want us to ponder this man, you know, he said,

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he said, they will die of starvation.

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Tomorrow before they dive Corona next week,

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they're not worried about Chrome. In other words, they've got to go out there. And they can't afford social isolation and all that they have to actually go out. And it's interesting, because, you know, if the virus hits them hard, it's going to spread there very quickly, because they don't have the

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they really don't have the capacity to isolate. I mean, it's not they won't survive the isolation.

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And that's deep man, when you really think about it, but I think that

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I think that one of the things that that we have to keep in mind, because there are a lot of people who are fear mongering, and

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I don't want that to be the tone that struck, you know, again, I think what we have to do, is have responsible hope.

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And, you know, when I say responsible hope I'm saying responsible in the, in the in the fact that we take precautions that we take precautionary measures, but hope and realizing that we are going to get through this by loss of hair with a grace and mercy

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with a larger girl says, Well, I never know when they can be shaved in, you know, hopefully, when you're when, of course him you know, and while he was

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well, but she decided he lives with them tells us that he's going to test them. And he don't, don't think that you read these is in the Quran. And they just apply to somebody else doesn't apply them. No, we're going to test you in shape in mineral hope, he will do it with with some degree of fear, with some degree of hunger, with loss of wealth, with loss, you know, with loss of property, with loss of life, especially the slavery, but give the glad tidings to those who have suffered. It is during these times that we have to have suffered, which is often translated as patients,

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which may more be more accurately rendered as enduring. You know, having having the fortitude, you know, to get through these situations to endure those difficulties. Beautifully, you know, with without complaining, you're not going to complain about a loss of the creek. We're going to have good thoughts about about crystal bunny. The Prophet it is Salatu was the man said they will tend to have a level of abundance.

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Let not one of you die, except that he has good thoughts about his Lord. Right. So since we don't know when we're going to die, this is actually a command for us to live in a state where we have good thoughts about a loss of Hannah Watada

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And then again, you know, our approach to this has to be, you know, principle, optimism and responsible hope.

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Shake let's let's go back to the phone on we have now feast that is with us. Last Call of the day, a feast

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character? What's going on brothers? Mashallah. And much, brother. I'll call you after the show I need to talk myself. So how have you been? Hungry Man hungry man.

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I wanted to

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ask you, in regard in light of some of the decisions that have been made.

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Could you expound upon the concept? Or the idea of of costs that I'll share? Yeah. And those those five things, or if not those five things, regarding life, and the protection of life that the surety takes in consideration in rd?

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Yes, they stay on the line inshallah. So,

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as we know, our Shinya, and in fact, every legislation of every process has come to protect five main interests. The first is the protection of the dean. Second is the protection of life, preservation of life, then comes the preservation of the mind that is preservation of mental health, sanity, and

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mental well being.

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Fourth, is the preservation of wealth. And fifth, is the preservation of honor or one's progeny. And that can be

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perhaps interchange numbers, four and five feet. The point is, that the preservation of life is very important. The emphasis that is land puts on the sanctity of life

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is second to none. I mean, you won't find another Shinya with the text that we have

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that that look at, or that talk about the importance of the preservation of life. And so the decisions that have made across the board have been made with that particular MCC budget, or that particular objective in mind, and that is that we are to do our best to save lives. At the same time.

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Preservation of faith is very important. And so what you'll see is that some people look at keeping them open as a way of preserving fate.

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In my opinion, that may be a little bit

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over.

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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say it's, it's reaching. But I think that we can preserve fate

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down the line, without them as your with domestic being temporarily closed. I think it's still possible to preserve faith and we have instances, historically, where a person has been made to say something that would denounce faith so that they could save their lives. So anyway, these are all things that

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muscle

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nafees how's your how's your family? How's your mom? Oh, she's about to say,

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it doesn't get better, right?

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It gets a little good speed is just the butt of the luck. Everything's okay. But how have you been? Sure?

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I've been good, man. I've been good. So I'm only holding this spot down on the second Saturday of the month for you to return and come back because you know, YouTube blender. This is the third Saturday. Well, this is my regular Saturday. I'm normally here. You guys know me have the second Saturday, you have such a scholarly show. You know.

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For those who don't know, this is not feasible. He's been around for when I tell you forever. He's been around forever. He He's a great brother.

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The former show that used to be on the station on word radio.

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This is living Islam. He was one of the original original pioneers, one of the original producers, one of the original hosts of the show for those who do not know and listening to not fees. For real. I say this wholeheartedly and I mean this with all my heart. It's like listening to a scholar amongst us. So if you take shake tar here, and you take shape, not fees. Well, I tell you get your pen and piece of paper out thing My show is like the layman show to grassroot people. We laugh and joke a little bit you guys come with some serious heavy stuff.

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Are you in the studio right now? Yeah, I'm here.

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I'm in central personnel. I have to be out.

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A family they drive me crazy. You know?

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I heard you say you were in quarantine. That is correct. Okay, so, so everything's okay though. Yeah, everything is fine. We'll have very targeted most, most people might be sitting in the house reading or watching Netflix or whatever they may be doing yourself. You're a scholar, you're you're a scholar in the faith, you're also quarantine in the house for the next two weeks. What What do you do? So let me just three things. Number one, that just for the for the record is between isolation and quarantine, okay. Isolation is for people who are sick,

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they have to be put into isolation, in order to avoid, you know, affecting other people they stick with, you know, contagious disease, infectious disease. quarantine is for people who don't show any symptoms, but they may have been exposed to people with symptoms. And so they're quarantine but otherwise they will.

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So let me just make make that clear. I'm well,

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quarantine just because of the fact that, you know, there's possible exposure, you know, in terms of travel 30

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it's just a matter of correction. I'm not a scholar, I, you know, I'm on a path of trying to be a scholar one day,

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you know, hopefully, you know, to that point one day in my life, but um, what I do, to be honest with you these days, is very similar to what I would do any other day, read and write.

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But I wish we got a chance to talk about

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the ending coming on, I wish we got a chance to talk about what people could do during this time. Let me just say briefly, take advantage of your free time, the prophet said there are two blessing, which many of us have cheated out of health and free time in a feast, rather than Ephesus on the phone with us right now just went through a major health scare, he can tell you about the blessing of health because when you move blessing, that is when you start to realize how much of a blessing it really is. And this issue of free time is important. It's important that the Muslim, take advantage of it. If you're in the house and you're not going out, call the event in your house.

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Pray, pray together, you know, use this time to come together as a family in the worship of Allah. Allah Subhana Allah, you know, has encouraged us in the corner, he says, for low lag backs in it. So don't vote for low lat and data back from that. So above Roku, he said if it if it hadn't been for elections, either saying when i when i calamity befalls them, that they should to who they should humble themselves, that they should humble themselves. This is a time to turn what to Allah to Hannah was added into it. And we don't turn so long do I right now and ask him to protect us and to lift this affliction from us? When do we turn to Allah? When does that happen? You know, these are

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times that we should be turning to Allah we use the time to pray together as a family. Perhaps this read something from touched here every day, even if it's 10 1520 minutes, but don't let a day go by without taking advantage of it and have this free time that we have in this family type martial martial a lot as that's great advice. Brother. That is great advice. We want to thank everybody for tuning in today. Shaykh Tara, we thank you and hopefully God willing, we will see you real soon. Brother nafees closing comments from you, brother.

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I just wanted to

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tell you that maybe inshallah I'll probably be able to come back.

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I guess we could start next month or the month after it all depends on how this thing works out. Sounds good. I'm pretty Yeah, pretty much got my situated with my mother who's going to watch her and my situation is that, you know, my I just have a little bit of facial

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deficiency in my left side, but on my shoulder. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Okay. We look forward. Look forward to having you back here. This mic brother, inshallah. Sharla.

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