Channel: Mohammed Hijab
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And also with regard to what Hashem said. He said that Jesus never claimed to be God. But Jesus never actually claimed to be a prophet Eva, there's no one verse, can Hashem show anyone? centers where Jesus said, I'm a prophet? So if he did not say that, therefore, we have to then be assessed the criteria. If someone doesn't say something, does that prove that they are not? What? How do we assess what they are?
Right, this might be another David is not a prophet moment, you know, be careful. No, it's not because he's criteria was did Jesus Sam? So I'm saying if the criteria is you have to explicitly say something, then we should use that same level of understanding to say, the Jesus claim in those very words and say, I am a prophet, okay? If we show you that he is a prophet, then what? Well show, bring the evidence, and then you prove me wrong. You want the word profit, or you want the actual concept clearly described? And
I said, because what Christians try to do we practice bring a concept. Muslims say, for example, set exactly like an odorous MIT that way, the Jesus say, I am God. And I've had Hashem see that several times. So therefore, if you know this is the criteria, then we have to then look at where Jesus said,
I am a prophet. Hashem mentioned the verse and Mark chapter six, verse four. Yeah. When
our Prophet is not. So say, again, Hashem, a prophet is not an old student from his hometown or something like that. But there's also a new chapter for Yeah, that is not an explicit statement, for example.
I'm just saying that
you take so such a verse, right. And,
and another verse in Luke in chapter 14, verse 24, yes. Right. In your understanding, okay. Does that is that Jesus that's speaking it. about himself. Yeah. inclined.
Okay, hold on. Is he speaking about himself? Yes, he's implying that is. So for you the word profit, or the Greek word profit test, in conjunction with Jesus Christ,
is supposed by Jesus Christ Himself, with his own words, in the New Testament corpus by a special thing. For example, if I said to you,
before you say,
spot, I could argue I'm not an expert. And this is the argument Muslims bring because they say, Well, hold on,
is entirely subjective, would you respect because no understanding?
Make one point, right? an explicit statement is effective in so much as the end user, in this case, yourself or me, are able to identify as explicit. So the reason why you said look, in Mark chapter six, verse four, and Luke chapter four, verse 24, when Jesus says that a prophet is not to be
kicked out of his own hometown, and move to 424, it says that, whenever whenever a prophet comes to a town, he's always expelled from it. Yeah.
If that is, in your understanding, referential to Jesus Christ, and in fact, not just your understanding of my understanding, but the understanding of I think almost all the commentators that have ever commented on this biblical passage, then for me, I think suffice it for me, for me to say that that's an explicit statement that Jesus Christ was speaking about himself in the third person, what you're confusing. I think here, you're confusing. A third person reference with an implicit one. Just because I speak about myself in the third person, it doesn't mean that become implicit. All of a sudden, I can speak about myself in the third person, but in very explicit terms. So for
example, if I speak to my children, I say your father will not tolerate this. Okay. I'm not speaking about anybody else, except for me. Unless, of course, you know, my children have some kind of
which I wish I can show you. All I can assure you that which I can show you they don't. So the point I'm the point I'm making to people, boy, is that the first thing you said very confidently, very strident me. I would even go audaciously. And this and I was waiting to see what you're going to come up with. Really and truly, you said, guess one explicit statement. That's what you said. You said, Give me one explicit statement that Jesus Christ says about himself. Today is a prophet. And I've given you proof you accepted that that means that Jesus is a prophet. And yet, you're still you're still not acknowledging the fact that there's, there's a world of difference between Jesus
calling himself a prophet in the biblical discourse, which make it impossible for exegete to interpret otherwise, versus Jesus.
Supposedly referring to himself in Divine terms, which you haven't shown us anything close to Mark chapter six, verse 13, when we see Jesus call himself the alpha and and make a title for God, how should we interpret that?
I think we should interpret that in the same light as we interpret it with melchisedec. Who unanimously according to Biblical executes is not
itself, then we take that as an explicit statement. So I'm saying Melchizedek was not spoken by Jesus that was written by someone else. Jesus said, I am the Alpha and Omega. So now
people, boy, what you've done here is you've, you've done exactly what you've accused us of doing, which is that you said you set up a
criterion. Okay, we're in which all of the variables don't line up with it. So in other words, you said the criteria is, is called being explicit statement, by the way you
bring to the park every weekend when?
That's exactly right. So just to be clear, my, my position, my position on the word explicit and implicit, yeah, human linguistic perspective, it's only explicit in so much as it's acknowledged, as explicit from, from from the reader, because if I say to my father,
don't do that. they'll, they'll know how explicit is right? linguists can, because these words implicit and explicit, may completely disrupt the discussion. What you can be implicit in many contexts is to make very explicit, right. So but but the thing is, we have no difference of opinion here. We both agreed that mark chapters number six, verse number four, and Luke chapter number four, verse number 24, where Jesus in no uncertain terms refer to himself as a prophet is, in fact, referential to us as being a prophet. Therefore, according to you and me, yeah. According to you and me, we say that Jesus explicitly said about himself that he was a prophet, whereas he did not do the
same thing. Okay, you did not do the same thing with him being God. And now it's up to you to bring something as as explicit to me and you write as much chapter number six verse number four, about Jesus's divinity. And if you do that, then there's no discussion anymore, then we can both agree. Otherwise, I think you've shot yourself in the foot with that baby boy, you know why? I tell you why. Boy, I'll be honest with you right now. Yeah, because
audaciousness and all confidence No, stridency, you came on this platform, guns blazing, saying, you know what I mean? You said, Yeah, give me one. You challenged us. You challenged us. You challenged us, brother. Yeah, you challenged us.
And you said Bring me one explicit statement that says that Jesus is a prophet than me and you say okay, Mark, chapter six, verse four. Luke, chapter four, verse 24, says Jesus is a prophet. Now. Where are you going? I want to see you acknowledge that Jesus did say what you already did. And now retract and apologize for the fact that you came so confidently, all guns blazing. And you have no answer for me right now. My presence. What you've seen today.
gfpt spoke Aramaic, who wouldn't have been the best person to understood his his words and cultural references?
What makes me upset?
All these weeks week after week, you come
and you're acting like a hot man trying to pick on the lay Muslim. You come on the Muslim show, you get humiliated. Have you got any response? You said? Give me one verse that says Jesus was a prophet. We've got you two verses. You acknowledge that? Now tell me where's the same kind of verse equivalent verse when being a good God.
Jesus called himself the Alpha and Omega at time.
President calls himself the Alpha and Omega. I think we're done it.