Is Boxing and Kickboxing and MMA Haram by Consensus

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and Medina. He's done his BA there and in Sharia, and he's also completed an MA in also alpha. In fact, he was studying Suffield in Hindi, wasn't it? And yeah, my thesis mighty sila was Sofia is

fantastic. And I was doing his PhD on also effect as well. What I found really interesting is that when I was having Nick harsh in discussion with this particular chef, he was, first of all, so brilliant in terms of, I'm not just doing this to you know, overpraising everybody, but in terms of using something called maktabah Shambhala, which is this research tool. And I must Allah came up, which we're going to speak about today,

which is the muscle of hitting in the face. Now, this is usually the thing that is used. If you look at festivals, for example, on boxing, or MMA has become a very, it's one of the most oft asked questions I get, which is a factory question. Of course. I usually say You know, there's photos out there, but I can't do a start a photo is not really my remit

that I get asked about MMA and boxing and these kinds of things. And the whole thing hinges on one Hadith. And there's different ways of it, of course, but the hadith is is a radical, Mahalia van de la halacha. Adam, Allah, Swati dada. Hopefully I'll tackle watch fit and

finish tribulation another way, right? No, yeah. So it's this hadith is effectively saying if one of you engages in fighting with his brother, then let him avoid the face or let him not hit the face. Because Allah has created Adam on his image. And most scholars say on Adams image now this is the Hadith isn't Biharis and other collections as well. And if you see any of the fatwas relating to MMA, or boxing, or kickboxing, or Muay Thai, or any of the stronger life on Sunday, they kind of all around this hadith. So we did a bit of research. I mean, let's be honest, you did a very

Oh, no, let us be honest, you made videos. And then you came to me time after, like, a few days? Because even the key content like 10 times did you check it out?

But we did find closer, didn't we? Because the thing is a bog standard ideas this is that there is each match is what I've seen on Islam, QA in Islam, I don't know, web and these kinds of things. There is Ismar, that Double Wedge or hitting the face. It's Lockean. is haram. In any situation, Muslim non Muslim net, where there's no net result is no Cara, it's Ismar. But would you say that's an an accurate assessment of the scholarly tradition? First of all, I started researching this not actually, before you came out while I was in Medina, really, because I started doing I want to do some martial arts myself, I'm getting Subhanallah by being there, I was feeling like my health is

declining and stuff like that being that you're just eating the fast and all this and so I started so I started doing stuff for myself. 100.

So I was interested in finding this thing, because I knew about

as you mentioned, in order for the contemporary, whatever they find for you find online you find on the internet. Yes. So I took this hadith I started researching this hadith. Yeah, I went through many, many explanations, Shahar to this hadith 100, maybe even 200 Wow, to see what the classical schools actually mentioned. And if it is actually the case that there is an EMR meaning and Measurement Agreement, everybody Yeah, about this hadith, or if there might be room to interpret this in certain specific contexts, or if there are some exceptions on this because of what I did yeah, because I was gonna say like, you'll see heavyweights there's no doubt about it people like

and no are you people like modulus Kalani and others, they do believe that hang in the face haram, they do believe it will be another they do actually take this to mean in all cases in all times, but what did you find which was contrast? So you definitely have that opinion. And this is what is crucial? Yes. When we as academics and data, we are used to academics. Yes, we need to approach these kinds of Messiah, first and foremost in an academic manner. Sure. Meaning this not our third year meaning our preferring one opinion over the other or declaring one opinion to be strong or correct or wrong, or any anything we're not trying to do. Analyzing. Yeah, right. And we need to be

honest with you

Let the opinions hang and then let the scholars decide in which situation should be applicable and whatever, mashallah, you're still here. Make sure that you donate by clicking the link below because the rewards are unimaginable. Will you do find is that some of the scholars

like Astana irony, for example, sure. He did mention that this hadith is in the context of striking only this hadith or in the quarter at home, a holy age seven year old or otherwise revived from Sahih Muslim said, that says is the author Ah ha, ha, ha, ha, hopefully instantly, but watch this is applicable. If you are fighting a non Muslim.

Meaning no, no, sorry. Sorry. Muslim. Yeah, Muslim, meaning it does not apply if you're fighting a Muslim. And non Muslim, non Muslim somehow I'm flipping up there.

Because he's saying, Well, who here brother? Is brother in faith? He's not saying brother in humanity. Yeah. And that's the other opinion. Yes. So the other scholars that did say this is referring to brother in humanity. Yeah. But that's not the only opinion. Right? So this other opinion, or some irony in some of the other schools as well, is that this means brother in faith, meaning if you're finding someone who's not a brother in faith, yeah, then it does not apply. Okay, can we actually bring those opinions out? Because someone's gonna say, You have misunderstood what I saw. And he says, if you go and look at, you know, this particular call of Sinani, he's talking

clearly Zaarly can brother he's talking clearly he's getting excited because you see the Trump as something else. Very natural reaction. Let's walk a little bit maybe, yeah.

Well, I was gonna say that he gonna say look, he's talking about in the, in the context of war, for example, there's

a lot of these quotes are in the context of war. That's true. But at the same time, I didn't find any other scholars maybe like one or two, even that was unclear of what you got, understand that this is restricted to the context of warfare. So

many, so when the scholars talked about this hadith, they talked about contexts, such as warfare deferential, such as punishments, like

context and deep as well. Yes, and other kinds of contexts is disciplining? Yeah.

Anything like disciplining people like

the opposite. Go ahead. Yeah. So for example, as a nanny, he's me he mentioned Well, ha the night your arm a liquidity, Durbin wallet meminta demon right here. Okay, you mentioned the Hadith. If one of you are fighting,

then basically abstain from hitting the face, right? So he's saying this, he mentioned some examples, but

Muslim or something like this, as you say, your shadow know what he says? Uh huh. Who you shadow and who your Muslim is seems like he's talking about Muslims when he says it's

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hoo, the Katella caphyon fella I lay here that's what you're referring to. Yes. So what you're saying is you're covered doesn't apply? Yeah, he says that he says that counter arguments somewhat could possibly make warfare Yeah, specifically Sure. But in his other books,

other books, so well as salam Yeah, he does mention that this he mentions that hadith, okay. And then he mentions one of you had them in lado de Shara. Yeah, hello, Phil Jihads. So he mentioned these examples. And then he mentions also, the higher the number the higher the number Armonico leaderboard, as mentioned, arm is general to every kind of hitting Well, that's made me Demonoid even if tidy already of jihad or fighting warfare. Anything. So the same, the same, the same generalities and the same exceptionalities will apply. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay, so Okay, well, someone's got to respect the Sinani is not a mess heavy. Yes. Let's just Yeah, cuz he's not he

doesn't represent a mocha but he's, he's a wildcard in the scholarly tradition. Why don't you bring us some more from them? Or they have if you've got anyone from Weatherhead Yeah, you have sponsored them or they have as well Yeah. So now you can say yeah, he was like that like kind of special in that kind of sense. You being me and this and that, right? Fine. So

for example, you have Al Quran, the Quran is 100 Yeah, Hanafi scholars.

So he was basically criticizing this idea because, you know, some of the scholars in the village is quite, quite interesting. Yeah, they did say that. This prohibition of striking in the face, they said that this applies even in warfare. Okay. Yes. Which is kind of difficult to understand because Allah says in the Quran for the people for collana he was the woman who could have been an example of the head above the neck. Sorry, yeah. So they said this, yes. Because Allah created Adam in His image and so it is in general applying to absolutely everything. So this is one understanding. Yes. So according to Al Quran, he said about how the volatile This is a huge mistake, or he does not

agree with this opinion out. And then he has played some statements because that would mean that you can't you can't hit the guys. You can't hit military warfare on his face. Yes, what that opinion would suggest that's what that's exactly what my opinion is. That even in warfare, you cannot hit the face. Yeah.

Pause the video for a second you thought forget about when you're finished with the video, make sure you click the link below and put a donation for the question. And then it comes with the AI app, the day that these people will be basically dragged on the fight on the other faces. So he's saying that

meaning non Muslims in this specific case people who Dion's non Muslims. So he's saying, why your former teleological carefree? And then he said, because a lot of times you have to care for equals. So basically we say, Yeah, are you formally Nam? So this means what kind of scientist it is. So yeah, so his opinion. Yes. And again, I just analyzing opinions. I think anytime you're doing any third you nothing, we're just studying classical Islamic literature. We're talking about is this guy living now? It was your hundreds of years ago, hundreds of years ago. He died in 893. He, in fact, wow. Okay. So it's a very classical, okay. Not that classical.

was like, 14 for you. Yeah, fine, fine. They have more classical people, of course. But the point is, if it's using this kind of argument, yes, that's that means he's making a general case. Yes. He's making a general case that he's saying that this being applicable in the context of warfare is wrong. And then he's using this idea as well, to say that there is no Herma for the wedge of someone who does not believe face. Yeah.

I'll call Ronnie. He's an obscure figure. Someone will argue, yeah. Any of the heavyweights, any of the heavyweights? Some of them

mentioned, for example, that this number that you have, it's not an umber of command and command exactly imperative command. So you have a wire made and this this part also will fit right. When you have an unruly live Would you believe? Or different kinds of things, right? Or even Yeah, even exist? For someone who says I handled them for slavery and in the Quran? Yeah, exactly. The example. Or whatever. No, no, no, you have this thing or the thing of

zero.

So you have this concept, I'm sure. So some of them. They did mention that this

camera in this is not for the job. So it's not obligatory. It's for it's yeah, it's a recommendation. It's a recommendation. So if someone doesn't faze you, then according to this view is not converting it's not coming. Yeah. Still is recommended to stay away from of course, who is who says that? Even the milk for example. He mentioned that he is a scholar of the Hanafi madhhab, isn't it? Yeah, he's what's called for her husband.

I'm looking for this guy. Yeah.

But yeah, but he's He doesn't say is his opinion. Yes, he is. But he is portrayed, because he's like, the only opinion is mentioning but he's still saying, Well, he'll umbrella. And usually it's diaphysis. Weak. It's not really the because some 100 listeners, it's not the mafia behind them. Yeah, that's true. You need to you need to balance you need to academic Of course, it's not the it's not the move. This is not the mark.

In fact, this opinion, it is a minority opinion, because the vast majority of scholars, yes. Who talked about this? Yes, they did mention that this camera is in fact, for who should and they had no discussions like yours, for example, he had discussions about this, and never we

didn't have to discuss issues. And the reason they had a discussion about this is because of this, because this difference of opinion that you have also said that I saw I saw something from a Mullah Ali Carrboro Have you got that because that's a big figure in the Hanafi madhhab and he's written lots of sugar had on the Hadith and including this hadith and things. So that was his position on this matter. Again, his position is not quite clear because he says something very similar okay, because the Hadith for La sala de la had a lot of Aledo meaning if you're fighting with others forgetting or others and of alleged animal watch, yeah, and then he says afterwards, let me just

find a quote again, I flipped the phone. So you know what?

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basically said, yeah, so he says the same thing he says, peeler and unruliness. He says the same thing. Yeah, Leonardo had a highly Muslim on your conduct with Allah humara likova.

He's giving Talib though he's giving reasoning, isn't it? Yeah. He's giving you a reason. Yes. Because the obvious matter, and he's talking about in this example is giving Yeah, in the context of warfare. Yeah, it's not the ombre is going to be sorry, is that is that he's going to fight now another Muslim? He's going to fight a non Muslim. Sure, sure. And then what's also interesting is that a lot of the scholars who talked about this is some of them don't mention the incident in the time of the Prophet SAW Salem. Yes, that was another Muslim who's hitting another Muslim. I was in this context that is ambiguous. So that's why we need to understand that this hadith, or all these

examples about this hadith is not just just about the concept of the context of warfare, it's also about generally speaking

We just one more scholar just to make it something else because he's all fringe opinions by bringing them together. But what do you get one more opinion? Just to seal the deal. Hey, what we're talking about if you've got any other names

you have the opposite happened to Hillary as well. Surely Allah though, no another one. Yeah, but he's still a bit master figure. Hanafy figures name from Leon. Yes. Yes. Yeah. He's saying pillar pillar number one in limited ways. This is one standard is armor is for Nether right that is this new recommendation? Yes. And then he also mentioned this thing that I just talked about, because yeah, and I hadn't counted the other kinda yonder. Wha Ha ha, ha, ha ha who Rossum is Allah's Allah Dalek. Hold on for a second you still want those incredible rewards right? So make sure you click the link below and you donate for the Mega Masjid project. So you mentioned this in the powerhouse

alum person the Muslim was hitting another believer and you know what's interesting, bro is like you were mentioning before we started this, this episode, you mentioned something which is actually quite

often and also should we do that first? What is the opinion? Yes.

So this is a third opinion is very similar to that. And this is from another scholar called a two PhDs to boost to difficult finance and yeah, he's saying for you California accident watch habitat. So he's saying that it's basically the opposite of the alarm. Really not. But if you do it, it's not haram, it's more cruel. Yeah. And he's a Hanafi as well just

so you have a chunk of Hanafi saying things like this. Now once again, I know the Humphrey is gonna say this not nomophobia. And we've asked the Mufti and he's gonna say no, that's my temper of the Metabones but innocence discussion I'm yeah.

100 fees and I respect 100 views alive that I'm not helping myself. Do I really? I do respect 100 fees? Yes. But personally, though, I don't agree with this concept is obligatory, the form of debate or the alcohol more of a method? And that's more of a solid discussion. Maybe we'll open up another kind of of both opinions. exists I respect both opinion yes. But personally, I don't think that is the so the thing is going back to the issue of brotherhood on this idea of being a HA HA HA HA HA HA alpha is a part of that had to come a hopefully a tequila which when Allah Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Allah Allah Swati z the word Ha hoo hear it seen another Hadees Okay, now obviously if someone can

say we're in a small home can I walk into a home that in the Quran but that's very very contextual, their brother sila had their brothers who their brothers whatever, and their brothers such and such prophets mentioned certain hoods for Saltos for example, but as you can see, the context is very special specific their brothers, their country brother Yanni they living in within, but a haka or a ha who in their third person when they are second place where the process alum is doing it, it doesn't usually come

in the Yanni as a as a nonlinear Brotherhood is talking about brotherhood and Islam. So for example, I'll give you one example they could have cut a haka you may occur while the bog standard definition at the process Salam gave of what is Riba? What is backbiting? He says they could occur at a hockey micro mentioning about your brother what he doesn't like. So most scholars say that, I mean, this is a controversial thing to say. But backbiting, where you actually get major sins, doesn't apply with for sack and it doesn't apply with Kufa doesn't. That's what the majority of scholars saying. Yeah, Muslims stuff it doesn't apply with Fast X Muslims who are known to do certain things, it doesn't

apply with disbelievers. That's what all non Muslims, so the Hukam of backbiting. You can say you've got some similar phraseology here with the brother in this hadith and the brother in this hadith. So you can see where they're coming from. I mean, it's not it's not Yanni. Yeah, that's the whole thing you can close it you can say like, even the Tsar here you can say generally speaking, yes. Even though as mentioned, he has called they said this is this is Brother earplugs to the Brotherhood regarding the meaning from either mother has learned the brotherhood of humanity. Yes, this is what this is talking about. So you can argue in this way as well. You can answer generally speaking, it's

true like if you took take the voice Yes. How do you look at the new tools to textured textual evidence? Yes. Of the Shediac when you when you have the word your brother mentioned there

anything unqualified Yeah, yeah, it is unqualified, but usually it does refer to the Muslim brother.

That is, what is the case? Yes, it's true. So it makes perfect sense. What I was gonna say about this is that look, we're not making a fatwa therefore, because the conclusion someone can bring is well therefore this is definitely gonna do the thing.

The conclusion someone can bring is that therefore members have halal or even boxing going into boxing matches, kickboxing, Muay Thai, everything. And frankly, what to be clear you're not making a fatwa here on any of that stuff. You're not making tough be on that you're not saying because let me tell you how it works. I mean, as I'm sure you know,

All right. No, no, frankly, there's gradations of it. So someone can do. For example, sparring in a club that's firing in a club is you're not trying to hurt the other person. You can do technical technical sparring. Yeah. And you will end up hitting the face. You hit love. No, no, you hit the face to gloves and get him back. And it's whatever, but you're not trying to knock him out. You're not exact that will be seen as bad manners. And

according to some of the Fatah, this will be haram. Yeah, if you take a little literal, reading an implementation of this hadith, this level, we can talk about the face, you've got the hearts pouring level up, you've got like, you know, interclub fights or whatever you want. We've got amateur fights, then you have professional fights. Now, all of these things, they're all separate fetters for separate people. In separate circumstances, some people are coming off the streets, and they've got high dopamine energy. And let's say they've been told to go and do. And I do believe that freestyle wrestling is probably the best one anyway, right. And it doesn't require anything in the

phases, like if you're not really freestyle, wrestling is whatever, but they want to feel a little bit of passion, they want to feel a little bit of fear, whatever, those people get them off the streets, for example, and into a boxing ring of getting them to a kickboxing ring. It may be the lesser of two evils for some people. But that would require fatwah to be passed on that person. He's coming out of the life of crime and gangsters. And you tell him that you have to do this and that it might be difficult for him, people are suffering from addictions. So these are outlets at least we should know as the Muslim community, that there are other opinions on this very Hadith. Now, the

movies is their job not to do the implementation on specific circumstances. Everyone knows the situation best they go to a movie, they say this and that calm down, calm down, calm down. It's just a breakdown, reminding you that when you're finished watching the video, that you click the link below and donate now. But at least Halima and the students of knowledge in the movies should be aware of this as well, so that they can start applying the tools of a soul. If and when necessary. Impossible. Do you think this is a fair enough assessment? Yeah, I completely agree with everything mentioned yesterday. So the thing is, this evidence in of itself, so delille there, right. But

because you have the classical scholars that did differ in how to apply it back then. So that means that today, if you want to look at all these different kinds of martial arts that have involved striking in the face, and this and that,

it is true that a lot of them did use this hadith, right? The based upon this hadith. But the thing is,

this hadith is understood by the classical scholars in different ways. For example, does it apply to the good to the normal standard talked about? Is the command an obligation? Or is it just like a recommendation? So because of this, we're not saying that MMA for example, if you go into UFC, that's halal. We're not saying I'm not going to give such a fatwa like this, because there might be other reasons. Other factors. Other things. Like for example, you should have Aurora. Right? You have problems like this, you have other kinds of ring girls, isn't that? Yeah, all these different things. You cannot give a * about this like to make something like this is completely halal. But

what I'm trying to say is this specific delille Yes. And then to say to us this Frankie's, like us? That's us. Yeah. As an associate. All you have some similar things. Yeah, also, but this is the main thing, this is the thing, right? To say that this in of itself, is enough to make all sorts of striking in the face as haram and to the extent that this is contrary to the extent this is your motto, and to the extent that this is agreed upon and this clear cut, this is something I don't think is the case at all. I don't think they This was because you have the classical scholars, yes. Who opened up some room for each they heard about this specific matters here. I think so. I think

basically my what I believe is we need to assess each martial arts even the aspect of striking in the face, it needs to be assessed the idea according to the rules of that specific martial arts, to which extent if the going like how brutal brutal like

boxing that might be, like, come on, like, you know, these guys have nothing you break your wrists on the guys comes out.

They also have the aspect of dadada right? Yeah. of harm. Yeah. Louder. The rocks are the refusal.

Because the every time someone does something like that they're losing a massive part of health anyway. Yeah, exactly. So we have to think about CTE and all this brain damage and a lot of stuff, which is new technology, which actually is, is there as well. But then that's what I'm saying. We're just opening the door on this issue, because it's every situation is is different. And it's thank you so much for this. I think it's been very, very pleasurable. Honestly, I think a lot of people it's the first time someone of knowledge, I think has actually spoken about this in this way, in the Western world, or even in the Arabic speaking world, because it's just, I don't think anyone has had

the motivation, or maybe the courage to mention this difference of opinion. But I'm here with Zhi Shan and SHFC Shan here works with Islam now. He's an unbelievable researcher.

Fantastic he, because he's able to go with like a wizard on this camera camera. And he's actually taught me how to use it to some extent Well, there's some lessons to be learned, which is a fantastic database, probably the biggest one we'll just say now the Muslim world where you can look at all the skirt, scholarly opinions, or there's about 10,000 books on there, I think, in general.

And we looked at all the books and stuff like that we were able to bring you this kind of information today. And that's why we always need as a backbone of our work. People like researchers like Shirazi Shan. And of course, you know, I'm going to do now, isn't it? I'm going to tell you that you're not just investing in drinks and water. You're investing in people and power when you work when you invest in the Islamic Dow. And it's dow of course, but the Islam NET project, you've got the link below. When you click that link, you're going to be helping expand this Masjid. There's other messages that we're getting Awqaf properties and stuff like that which then fund this

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