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The segment discusses the history of the Prophet Sol and the title of Islam, including the use of the title of the time of the Prophet Sol and the title of the time of the arrival of Islam. The discussion touches on the importance of swaying the creator and the use of the holy book in writing. The segment also covers the history of the Bible and its significance to the western world, including the use of "archeological discovery" and the potential for "sliver of truth" in the Bible.AI Generated Transcript ©
Last was salam ala Nabina Muhammad wa ala and it was mine
with regards to now, the compilation at the time of Asmara, the Allah Han.
So the correct way to talk about the stages of compilation of the Quran, starting with the Prophet sallallahu alayhi salam do not ignore that
something very important that we learned, right? That this is a oh there's a question Okay.
After I'm done Allah
there was a compilation that happened at the time of the Prophet Sol Sol.
And the Quran was fully compiled with it, then we have the compilation of the time of Abu buck. And now we have come to the compilation of the time of man
that time of Ceman radula one
what happened was the following.
A similar warning came to us marady Allah who, as had come to a Woobox
and now we're talking about some time possibly in the year 25 Hijiri.
25 Hijiri, essentially around 15 years or so,
after the death of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam.
So,
the famous hadith
of Al Bukhari mentions to us that the great Sahaba of the Allah who was a familiar man,
the one who was the holder of the secrets of the Prophet SAW Selim de familia man.
He came to us Mara de la one.
At a time when the people of Sham and Iraq
we're
busy in jihad
in the area of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
The poll was afraid that the people of Sherman Iraq
were displaying differences in their Quranic recitation.
Now, let's just go back a little bit and remember, Islam spread
at a rate that
the wilderness dollars of history until today
at the time of hormonal doula, and
at the time of asthma
spread.
If people looked at Islam,
non Arab,
north east from all different directions first.
We're coming to Islam people were reading the Quran
and you had these different recitations of different hair of
the one who's a fan of the alarm years, the people of Shaban, Iraq,
Iraq,
are going already north and east.
is hearing some differences between them. Resistor Esmeralda, Allahu
au Ameerul Momineen
save this nation before they differ about the book in the Quran, as did the Jews and Christians before.
So as man of the Allahu unsent, a message to have some
Why have sought
is the keeper of the
manuscripts from the title of Abu Bakr varkala Feeco.
He sent a message to Hafsa he's saying send us the manuscripts of the Quran, so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies, and then we will return the manuscripts to
Hafsa sent it to us man
and then us man or of the Allah who
assigned a quartet panel
are this compilation
the celebrated Zaytoven sabbat
who succeeded in performing the first compilation of the time
Roebuck Abdullah Abdullah Zubaydah,
so are you in the last
Abdul Rahman Tyndall Harris militia?
He delegated to them to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.
And then Earth man said to the three
Rashi men, three men from Porsche, in case you disagree with Zaid ibn sabot on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of polish
because the Quran was revealed the dialectic,
the first half per se
the words the dialect was the dialect of Polish
as we saw when we talked about taboo and Boo
so after they did so, and they wrote the many copies of Ceman return the original manuscripts to have son
and then with man sent to every Muslim province of Quran
in one of those copies
and he ordered that all other Quranic materials
whether fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies of the Quran to be burned.
So let's move on the law who wants to stop the possibility of there being differences in the Quran
that are no longer acceptable differences like you had seen before.
Even Aveda would narrates authentically
the authority of swayed by novella
he said
that Ali Radi Allahu unsaid, notice Subhanallah highly of the Allah Han, not anyone else.
The
enemies of Allah subhanaw taala would like to portray that
the Sahaba hated each other man and I thought
maybe Hollywood was in love and blamed the US man for what he did. He burnt the Quran and so on No, earlier or the Aladdin saying this. He said Do not say anything but good about a smell of the alarm.
He said he did not do what he did regarding the Messiah has except
with all of us being there, and participating as well, but did not do this on his own. How about were there earlier of the Allah and was there we said these are the two giants of the Sahaba when it came to teaching the Quran and passing it on was nine and a leave of the Allahu anha.
So,
he would ask us why would ask what do you say about this Cara, this recitation
it came to his attention that some people will say my Akira is better than yours.
This is where he said stop.
This is where it stops.
He said this is almost a statement of cover.
Say my era is yours. Clearly it has gone beyond
the benefits of having the different karate and recitations
with an understanding that this is all acceptable and all from Allah. Now as more and more people are coming more and more people are even put on Arab non Arab spreading everywhere. Some are starting to say my Quran is better than yours. Man said stop.
No more.
Okay.
So we said to him, then what do you what do you think we should do? He said, I think we should
bring all people together, bring them
one must have and that way there will not be differences and difference of opinion. And they all agreed
They all agreed means, there was a consensus of Messiah is not as Marathi Allah and acting on his own.
On the authority of sway the Buddha as well he says, I heard it even Talib say all people fear Allah
and do not say about with man that he was the burner of the massage,
rattle massage.
He said Well Allah He did not burn it cept
while we were all among him, have our there was a decision that was taken collectively. And when the Sahaba agree and are in consensus brothers and sisters, we consider this a hijab.
It is evidence, just like when you say this as evidence for this, this hadith is evidence for this, the consensus of the Sahaba on something is how it is evidence.
Okay?
I never did Allah and also narrate Subhanallah look, this is all our little doula. He said if I was the ruler at the time of birth mother would have done the same thing as he had done.
Okay.
So, what we see here is that
this rule saw
the wrong side of the arrow of rasa meaning
like a dispensation,
an easing,
if you will,
like when you talk about the roof, sort of shortening the prayer when you travel, this is a rough soft
option loves making it easy for us, the actual roof was a rasa.
Profits are selling us for more, make it easier upon people.
But as soon as they saw
this wrong saw,
is no longer
serving the purpose for which it was given in the first place. And now is causing differences between people.
So they decided to actually restrict the matter.
And the transcribed
what is now known as the semantic copy that was mine, for honor, that was Malik script.
And he ordered everything else to be Bert.
This was wisdom, this is the wise thing to do.
And as it was a rock solid,
it was something that was meant to make things easy for people.
It is optional. Just like taking the rock solid is optional. It is optional, to have those actual Fernand. So when the Sahaba decided what they did, and restricted it to the arithmetic script.
haven't done anything wrong. Because it was also the first place it was optional.
Because someone might say, wait a second, but that was Quran. How could you burn? No, but the whole idea of the rough was to make things easy now it's making things difficult,
after Quran spreads far and wide, and it is causing differences between people, and they may even start to fight over. No this or that.
Well, this begs a very important question and not an easy one.
Which is therefore, how many of the seven ways are left? Today? seven items.
And if we take it back to the type of man, the same question would be how many heroes are in the final copy of us man?
Rob the Aloha
and if we take it back even further, are all seven our house in the final review between the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam and
debris
so, again,
if someone and you know some scholars may have had this opinion, that they
says all Quran they may be of the view that
all be there. They're not just cancel some of the afro because it's all Quran unless we look at it in the way we just said which is that it was offside place it's an allowance that Allah gave and now it's causing more trouble than II is therefore there's no issue with restricting it okay it's still talking about the genuine Quran
as us man Radi Allahu Han told them a few differ what takes preference
dialect of Quraysh
right.
So, this is what
many scholars
base their opinion on to say that what is left is one heart this is the heart of courage especially if you look at the heart
as a dialect
this was the opinion of many what is left is one half
based on the dialect of Croatia because this is what he left
okay
and
remember Tabari is berries have this opinion
and he says anyway the dialects actually melted eventually. So there is no need for these different dialects. What you have is that one health this is the heart of that was left which is the half of polish
that we have in the US Manik script
this was also the opinion of Lima Ibn Abdul Jabbar.
We said this was the opinion of many that what is left is one out of and this is what you have in the most natural Northmet.
Okay, and
what ever the most half of us man allows, allows because of the
we said the skeletal stripped.
Right, not being dotted and having the diacritical marks.
I'll email it Nilgiri
offers an interesting middle opinion.
Imam in New Jersey says
that there was no Nick. Messiah have you used massage in plural?
mishaps of man? Because we know as metal they allow unsent copies to each of the different lands, right? He sent the most happened he sent the reciter with the most half. Where did he send it? He sent it to the different provinces? Some say five some say seven
of you obviously Mecca Medina who? Farber Surah
Yes, a sham.
Al Bahrain is not Bahrain meaning the state the east of the Arabia. Okay, that area is called Bahrain.
So
when he sent these Messiah have
whatever 100 of these Messiah have allow for all the ones that are left. So he's trying to say what we have based on
the earth, the most haps the Earth man sent are some of the dial the dialect or the ways the arrow
that the scripts in those mishaps allow
some a lot of
and many scholars are of the opinion that the last review between the province of Salem and Gibreel
abrogated some of the stuff
and therefore, what we have left today
dispersed in depend with hilarity and recitations are some of the health of the seven but not
only that, which the script
allows.
System sister when you asked about why stereo and stereo yes one of the must haves will have the wall
and one will not and therefore it is accepted.
The difference
and you can say the same about some of the other differences that we mentioned one that has been tactical and hot and one that does not.
And an Azure is fond of this opinion and supports it as well which is that some of the Ashraf are there not one not Oh
and he gave the example of men Danielle and her and a hat here and a while there is minor differences based on the different Messiah heads that were sent but all everything in the 10 mutawatir art conform to the script
of the main most half that said was not really aloha and kept a copy of and the ones that he sent to those different provinces
and an email what Amber Danny
mentioned this mentions this very interestingly
and
supports this opinion and says that the actor of that are left are what we are semantic script
in his Messiah have allow for those are the rows that are left
are Huhtala Harlem.
This tells us brothers and sisters,
that the final Hispanic compilation of the Quran
where all other copies were burnt.
Where it seems only the adults that the script allows
that was achieved around 15 Hijiri
are the cheap
only
in
not just in his resort, in ya know,
the steam well
in 15 history we can say
this was the beginning of the title of it was map, right.
The title of Rossmann had just started right.
So,
there is an opinion that by then
this compilation had been done.
We look back at the
the time when a smarter or the Allah who completed this compilation.
It is a very small period of time
after the death of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
for us to have
the Quran in its final form
in which it remained
all the way up until
today.
This is no less than a miracle.
And this is an example of the preservation of Allah subhanaw taala these things we are mentioning these incidents these narrations
these are all examples of the means through which Allah preserved the Quran.
And we remind ourselves
throughout all of this Sahaba are saying, Oh, we missed one idea out of 1000s and 1000s but we found it here.
They are telling you about a simple difference of taboo and taboo a one letter
out of a Quran that contains
1000s and 1000s lines and words.
This is the preservation of the Quran
through the monumental efforts of this great man
any questions about the compilation of us man?
This is your chance
No, as we said in the, I don't know if you were there in the first one sister Oh, you were not there, okay, you can review the video Inshallah, by mentioned that the verses within the surah this is by revelation
from Jibreel to the Prophet SAW said love and they would he would tell them, but these is here, but these is there. Okay? The ordering of the surahs is a difference of opinion between scholars. Some say that the ordering is mandated by Allah. And some say that the ordering of the surah is actually the HT handleless hub is the opinion of this hub. I go into a little bit more detail there. I don't have time to mention it here
any other questions?
Okay, just a really quick review, piece of paper.
Just a review, take your piece of paper, just gonna answer a few quick questions, just to kind of
you know, have a small break and then we will start in shall have the compilation of the Bible. Question number one.
The entire Quran existed in written form.
At the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam true or false, just write it down.
Write it down. The entire Quran existed in writing.
At the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. Just write it down. That's number one, true or false?
One of the most important scribes of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was
ready.
One of the most important scribes
of the Prophet, those salatu salam was
Al Hassan Al Masuri
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and the fifth option is B and D.
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was the most important scribes of the Prophet SAW Selim was a Al Hasan Basri
B they didn't have it. See awesome urban urban neighborhood. D Rossmann, urban alpha, E, B, and D.
Questions number three, Abu Bakr, Radi Allahu Han, immediately agreed with the
suggestion of Omar Radi Allahu Allah to compile the Quran. He immediately agreed to compile the Quran true or false? Just write it down to or false.
Maybe someone will write down the questions because I'm going to forget them because I'm making them up as I go along.
Okay,
which question was that number three. Okay, lesson number four.
Question number four was man I've been a fan told them. If you differ, then you should use the
dialect of veiled you should use the dialect of with a true or false
dialect of who there is
question number is five or six five okay let's see number five
the
seven are the table add are exactly like the
karate and the Ashraf are identical the recitations and the heroes are identical
true or false
question number six
question number six
the some of the differences
in the verses of the Quran
are very minor
and they are due to differences in the scale the diacritical marks
True or False
due to
differences in the test scale
minor differences may be in the test scale and the diacritical marks
Okay, so easy
pretty sure everyone got to be 100%
of question one What was it
the compilation
existed in written form
Yep, it all existed in written form at the time of the puzzle Salem true Excellent.
existed in written form at the time but not all together. That's what Abu Bakr did right but it was written
but it was fragmented excellent to question two
scribes yes they didn't have it an oath but they're both scribes the BND
D and D which is e right okay all right. Okay question three
Ah, he agreed immediately oh he didn't write then immediately agreed. Overall the Allah Allah to persuade him okay.
Let's stop
here so many voices
the dialect Ah, okay. He said that if you differ, you choose the dialect all because then Yes, sir. True or False or false. Veil is different than Polish we mentioned several times taboo than taboo. Taboo. desparation taboo is within who they are is the dialect of Abdullah and Miss rude man said Who? Quraysh the original dialect.
The original half if you will, especially for those who say that the half is a dialect.
Either is because
well, what was the next one?
Right and I have identical, true or false. All's we said they are not identical.
In fact, they've been Tamia says this is a subject of consensus. There's no difference of opinion that they are not the same. Okay, next one.
Some of the differences are due to the diacritical marks True or False? True, of course, that's what most of the differences are. That it
represents.
Low frequencies.
Yeah.
All right.
I give exams that easy wins.
institution will fire me.
Okay, compilation of the Bible. What is the Bible?
What is the Bible, the Bible, my dear brothers and sisters, the Bible today
is the book
of the essence is the holy book that the Christians consider the Word of God.
And
the Bible
being the Word of God, according to the Christians
they have
divided the Bible into
two parts.
It's still called the Holy Bible.
Those two parts are the Old Testament, and the New Testament.
The New Testament is what they believe was revealed, and given to Jesus,
the salah to assemble
the New Testament, that's why the Old Testament, the older part is what was given to Moses, he spelled
the Old Testament and the New Testament. But even though
what was revealed to Moses Peace Be Upon Him is the Old Testament.
It is still part of the Bible.
And they consider it binding.
Just like the New Testament.
That's why it's in the Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament, what was revealed to Moses and what was revealed to
Jesus.
Do not confuse the Bible with the NG.
When the Quran talks about the NG, we are talking about what was originally revealed to Jesus peace be upon him.
Because as the Quran tells us, The Bible has been corrupted and changed a lot. And this is something even their scholars must admit.
Right?
When we say the Injeel, we're talking about the original. When we say the tel rah, we're talking about the original that was revealed to Musa alayhis salam,
not what is in our hands today, whether it is New Testament or Old Testament.
As we said, even though they call it the Old Testament, they still consider it binding upon them, and therefore it is included in the Bible.
However, you will find
that they do not agree on all of the books of the Old Testament, we are starting with the Old Testament.
What is the Old Testament?
According to the Protestants, the Old Testament is composed of 39 books.
According to who, the Protestants
according to the Catholics, you have to add seven books.
Already six.
Already you have a difference of opinion on what constitutes the Old Testament, some say 39 books, one sect says 39 books, the other sexes, or at least
we have a difference of opinion between the sects about what the Old Testament constitutes the Orthodox agree with the Catholics that it is 46 books
are the six books in the Old Testament. Yes, the Orthodox and the Catholic Christians.
The just to remind ourselves, the historical split that happened in Christianity between the Catholic and the Protestant happened in the 16th century with Martin Luther. Okay.
15 a team
very long
time later, okay.
Long time afterwards, that's when that split happened. Otherwise
The Catholics and the Orthodox is much older.
Okay. And
there were wars and battles between the Orthodox and the Catholics.
The Orthodox Christians are mostly Eastern Christians, the Christians you find in the Middle East,
the Arab countries,
most of the those Christians are Orthodox,
and of course, Russia.
The
largest landmass where you will find Orthodox Christian,
Orthodox Christianity, the Christians that Muslims came into contact with
during those years were Orthodox Christians.
The Catholics and the Orthodox say that the books are actually 46.
The thing is that
they don't
quite know who who's the author of the Old Testament?
Do you mean
because they don't they they're practically in agreement.
Or there may be some difference of opinion that
this is not the writing of Moses specific opponent.
It means there is no clear author
even off
the first five books of Moses.
He said the Old Testament is many books.
The very important part of that Old Testament is the first five books of Moses,
known as the pen test to look into the penta took the first five books of Moses.
Sometimes, you may refer to the Old Testament, as
the Torah
we call what was revealed to Musa Ali salaam, the Torah, the sometimes loosely,
you may refer to the Old Testament as the torah but actually for the Jews. This is not very accurate.
The whole Hebrew Bible the Old Testament, they call the XR
The Five Books of Moses, the pentatonic is what they call the Torah.
The first five books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy
Genesis, Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These This is the torah the Panther took the first five books of Moses and
many of the scholars say this is not the writing of Musa alayhis salaam, the author is not Musa so forget about it's not the words of God. It's not Musa alayhis salam it was written by someone else. And there is no clear author about it.
When was the penta took written?
That have to start here brother can you just get the board ready for Televic?
Oh,
brothers and sisters
when did Musa alayhis salam exist approximately, this word is kind of short. I have to be very careful with space.
I am going to place let's see.
I'm gonna have to because I want it to be
order to be accurate.
We're going to place this line here
and we're going to
All this here
the common error
the common
beggar
right
common
error common error meaning
the beginning
when Raisa Alayhis Salam was born. So the beginning of the Gregorian calendar
zero according to the Gregorian calendar we are in 2023 So, this is zero the beginning of the Common Era
also known as ad
but
because ad actually means no dominate the year of the Lord referring to a recycling center so, it is better for us not to use ad we will say see a common error
this is zero okay.
Musa alayhis salam is dated approximately the time of Musa
round
1200 BC
1200 years before BC meaning before Christ right so 100 years b before the beginning of the Common Era
okay
here if I can do this on their
586 BCE
very important date
the Babylonian captivity
not not the sea This is before Christ. That's, that's different. But what Yeah, it's the same letters, but this is a very important date the Babylonian captivity where the Jews
experienced
slavery and captivity as rather
So,
there is an opinion that the penta took was written here
586 BC
a few
days or weeks or months after the death of Musa alayhis salam o few years, two decades
hundreds of years centuries
unfortunately
centuries after
solids
forget about writing at the time of Musa the writing more than 600 years after Musa Elisa
Okay,
more than 600 years after Musa lissadell Someone is writing we're not quite sure someone is writing the penta to list five books
or a proper
we're not even talking about the rest of the Old Testament now, just the penta took
some say that the penta took may have taken shape around
the fourth century.
The fourth century, even later.
Also 800 years after
Prophet Moses peace be upon him
it's very understandable.
The adulteration that happened
What are you writing hundreds of years?
Based on what an on room and with what chain of narration if there isn't, there is no chain of narration.
This is with regards to the pentatonic.
But what about some of the later books
Some of the later books were written between
some of the later books were written between the fourth century and 150 BCE even later
some of the other books other than the pendant
if we say 150 That's 1000 years later
1000 years a millennium
good
some of these are
Songs of Solomon
Esther
and Daniel
these are books that are part of the Old Testament they're accepted
accepted as part of the Old Testament and very loosely as they will say the word of God
some of the books which they didn't accept Alhamdulillah
were written even later
even later
and they call them Apocrypha,
part of the Apocrypha meaning books that are not accepted as part of the canon, whenever you consider you you consider it officially part of the holy book you say it is part of the canon it is canonical.
Okay.
So, the apocryphal books were not included as part of the canon and those were some of those were written even later on
okay.
So,
another view also holds that
in this period here third to second century, also known as the Hellenistic era
one opinion holds that, yes,
what was happening there's actually editing the writing had already been there, but here there was just some editing, but there is an opinion that says there is even some writing going on here
in the Hellenistic era, between second and third century BC.
Now,
usually you will hear that the Old Testament as for sources
or sources
the oldest one the oldest of those sources, okay the sources are j, e,
e and d
okay they call them J E P and D
the oldest source goes back to
which is written in Jerusalem, goes back to the time of Solomon
around here
just in the middle 975
to 935.
The reign of Robert Sulaiman Holloman
the oldest of the four sources, is this
already
some 200 to 250 years after Prophet himself
this is the oldest source the other sources are later on.
Now,
having said all that
can see writing can different pages editing of the different books.
When do we have what is called the first authoritative Old Testament
All right.
The first authoritative
old text the Old Testament text is called
this right here
all right
Masoretic text.
Last orebic text empty
so,
that would be the first Hebrew Bible
the Hebrew version of the book, when is the first authoritative text now, I can present you with the Hebrew Bible
the Masoretic text,
date
one
opinion which is way out there,
which I'm not going to take.
Thankfully.
What's it as late as?
Not century not 10 centuries after a BUSA hell century CE II.
Then centuries after Prophet Jesus peace be upon him. So where was it for 2000 years? Millennial?
I'm not I'm not going to take this opinion.
Honestly, but one scholarly opinion says that the first Masoretic text
is dated as 10 century common error
okay.
I'm gonna take what I hope is the better opinion is based on the what is known as the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls.
And its places it as
first century seek,
a that's much better.
First Century
first century
the first authoritative Hebrew Bible
will after Jesus peace be upon him.
We that's what we just said, Sister, right, the Bible. We say the Bible, as we know it today consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Now we're just talking about the Old Testament. We haven't gotten to the New Testament yet. The Old Testament we said, I'm just summarizing is composed of the Pentateuch also known as the torah, the first five books of Moses, and many other books, up to 39, according to the Protestants, and up to 46, according to the Catholics and the Orthodox.
But now,
when we want to ask when is the first authoritative Old Testament Jewish Hebrew Bible compiled?
The first authoritative Masoretic Text MT, according to the better opinion, first century CE II,
so over 1300 years after Musa alayhis salam
they can say here is the Jewish Bible the Jewish acts
the Word of God according to Moses specific one
right?
They could they they use Bible sometimes loosely. Yeah, kind of like a holy book, Jewish Bible or something like that. Yeah, they call it the 10 of the Jews call it the teknaf Okay.
We said the Torah more precisely, is the penta took the first five books of Moses, the first five books of Moses
of Moses.
Okay.
Now we want the whole thing including the other books, there are so many other books as well.
are part of the Old Testament Cyrillic text.
Alright.
So I want you to kind of
deliberate over this and listen to the following quotation by one of the authorities that canonical status of certain disputed books of the Old Testament was defined that the Council of Jamna this is what this was. The first century was the Council of Germany.
late first century
an authoritative text of the Old Testament was also established. So
these councils where they would discuss the canonical status of the books meaning do we include this book in the Word of God or not? Is it accurate? Is it canonical?
They're discussing this, the Council of Germany after profit is already set up already.
over 1300 years after Moses peace be upon him, they are discussing at the council.
What is canonical and what is not? Which books should be included in which books should not then we put this into perspective. That's kind of like us around this time. Now saying, wait a second. What is the Quran actually? Is it this to this? Should Seurat and Arraf be considered part of the Quran? Now we're discussing it now. There's a Council of Scholars and they are discussing what is the Quran?
What is canonical and what is not? What's the way they discuss the canonical status is not something that we have Alhamdulillah when it comes to the Quran, but just giving you that example, still debating over what exactly is the Quran now, now 1440 Something a little bit later than 1300 years, but okay. But just to put it in perspective, so maybe 100 years ago, scholars got together, and they're still talking about what exactly is the Quran?
Mark?
What do you think about that? And then, you know, people like
scrutinizing the Quran with this magnifying glass.
Are you doing? Have you used that magnifying glass of your books?
And this is unfortunate. I don't see this, you know, and I am happy. It's unfortunate, because this is how we lost, you know, the authentic words.
What was revealed, but Allah told us that it's going to be adulterated and they are not going to preserve it. Right?
So, yeah,
we'll discussing it the first century CE II.
Now, this Jewish Book,
in Hebrew,
was then translated into Greek, okay.
In what is called
the the Septuagint.
The Septuagint.
And this is
somewhere here, I believe.
It's mostly here actually.
This is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.
And it happened in Alexandria, after the reign of Alexander the Great around that time, third century or so BC.
Okay, and it is still the basis of the Old Testament, or the Greek Orthodox. We said the Christians consider the Old Testament binding, it's why it's in the Bible. Right? It's part of the law, that Jesus peace be upon him is teaching
us Jesus peace be upon him came to confirm
the law of Moses not to cancel it.
To be there, it is binding.
For the Greek Orthodox, the Septuagint remains the authoritative text for them.
But
not everyone will agree with this, because it contains what some consider apocryphal material
was he cannot canonical material some material which is not they would not agree is part of the Word of God
or the Greek Orthodox it is
canonical and it is
authentic or valid right
now
this is with regards to the tall wall and the Old Testament. But there's another
book that will keep hearing another name.
The Jews use,
we are going to come very soon
would be very important.
Maybe even more important to them.
And the books themselves, the Talmud being the oral tradition, the oral opinions of the rabbi's and their scholars on the Old Testament,
almost like a Tafseer.
The Talmud contains some
renders fix
the Talmud is written somewhere between the second
and the fourth centuries CE.
Again, just
explanation, exegesis of
the holy book, Talmud somewhere here,
okay.
What is known as the Jerusalem Talmud
is in the fourth century.
And the Babylonian Talmud is in the
fifth century.
Many, many, many years later.
Do the Christians
include the Talmud? Of course not?
Because the Talmud is not binding
as the Old Testament
This is mainly because it was written after
the Saudis.
So,
the Talmud is something the Jews
consider binding but not Christian.
Any questions?
Of course, like we said the Christians consider the Old Testament binding Yes, but with a small difference in the number of books, the Catholics and the
Orthodox have 46 books instead of 39.
Optics clubs are Orthodox, because they are like we said, the Christians in the Arab countries are for all practical purposes, Orthodox Greek and they have they have their differences of course between them and the Catholics and the Protestants.
There will be some minor differences but that's you know, that's a different,
the different
focus. We're looking at the compilation and the books now.
Out of Time
Like we said here
seems that the penta two was written, possibly sometime here in 586 BC about 600 years, the Five Books of Moses 600 years after it
was not
next 100 years but 100 years later
we don't know who exactly is writing, no matter what he's writing
sorry
got the tablets he received the Torah from Allah, the genuine word of Allah in the Torah that was revealed to mu Sally's salah, but that was not preserved. That was not written.
Allah Allah, the
it was in writing and the tablet that he received.
And we may say that he received the Torah. Some say the Torah is different than the tablets, Allah Allah. But
that's when Musa alayhis salam received it. That's when it should have been
watered down, written, preserved and compiled.
But
just keeps going on and on and on. Yes, one of the sources, okay, it's a little bit close about 250 years. Relative though it's all relative, right? 250 years. If you talk about the Quran, 250 years, what are you talking about? We're talking about a few years, the compilation of what is already there, actually. But it's just the compiling, right. But here. Okay, so this is one of the sources of the four is this old? But again, who,
who and what and where that's why it's called je PD, who what's the name? It's a source, we don't know who it is, and what and where, how can we build a chain of narration, such as Jay took from E M. C? Who is? Who is he? And who is Pete? What is their? What are their credentials? Are they you know, are they acceptable? Are they so?
But this is the theory now, this is where the theory stands.
Right?
Again, it's unfortunate. You lost the Word of God.
You did not give it.
Its due right. And that's why we lost it. So parabola, oh, decreed that this will be the case.
Of course,
course and it's in the Old Testament as well.
Having said that, brothers and sisters, and this is an important point, especially when we come to the New Testament. When we say adulteration and corruption, yes, there's plenty of that. But does that mean that it is all false from A to Z? No.
There are still slivers and tidbits of truth here and there. And one of the ways we know that is if it agrees with the Quran
and some of you may have seen some of my classes of the Tafseer because we are doing salted Bacara right. So we're talking about all of the stories of Venezuela. And it is remarkable.
Some of the similarities and the differences are also remarkable. And you can see part of the reason why
some of the corruption is happening
and the adulteration.
It was lost when, like Where exactly did it stop? It's not very clear, right?
It didn't want
yeah, horse horse. Okay.
Well, it's like, like the time of the prophets of salaam still.
You primitive forms of writing
Yeah, oral tradition. Yeah. They had that as well. They had that as well. But not not like in finding Islamic like an Islamic. But
if we talk about the importance of preserved
bring the Word of God in writing. And just to start right there, you had to have scribes writing, what Musa Ali salaam was saying in the same way.
It is very far from it.
Any other questions Yeah.
Whether it's the Samaritan or other
things they discover, okay? Or manuscripts,
they will say it is older and they discover things and they make an archeological discovery, they find a slightly older manuscript, and then they kind of review, you know, what exactly happened and
Allahu Allah. Okay, we were not absolutely sure. What we do know,
is that if they discover and we'll see that in the New Testament as well, some earlier manuscripts
and those manuscripts
talk about aspects of the religion or the history in a slightly different way that when you what will you find in the current form, then immediately discarded as a radical works, works of heretics,
works of people who are not really on the religion.
So when they started seeing some of the older works, especially with regards to the New Testament, okay, when we get to that
talk of talk about God is one God, and we know that there were Unitarian Christians who did not believe in the trinity or those are heretics, those works we cannot accept.
So, it would be essentially the same,
they will immediately possibly discard it unless it conforms with what they have today.
This is problematic for them if it doesn't conform, but as Muslims and objective researchers, they will be very interested to find something like this because this may leave them to the reality of how far they went in their corruption and adulteration because actually, that is a better portrayal and representation of what was originally revealed to Musa Ali salaam artery Sally's
Allahu Allah, I
think we have to end but I will take your question sister and there was a question online I think about the Quran. And maybe if you can just bring it up for me. No, go ahead. Ask your question. Because this is where we are now. I forgot about that one.
reading something reading something of the old book, right? Something of what they had, of course, then we was there. Well, how about I'm gonna call pub Sr. Right?
Whatever you have pub somewhere here, right?
Definitely there was something even if we say the Masoretic text is its first centuries so yes, of course there's something called the Torah the sub there's a book or teachings it's there
but it's already been corrupted
the author of Atlas is the problem who is the author? And because like I said, they they're pretty clear that
Musa al salaam did not write the rod for the penta took
someone else's writing skills
as a as a as a great personality and scholar according to them definitely.
But when they talk about the sources,
this is what they talk about.
Yes, there are some new theories,
but the theory is only concerned how to look at the sources. Do you combine j with another
One, you know, that type of thing. But this is what they consider authentic that the Torah came from these four sources. Again,
if you look at that on its own,
kind of independently, you might say, Oh, wow, a lot of scholarship, knowing the authenticity of the holy book. But then
for a Muslim, when you look at it, you think to yourself, what's going on?
Right?
For them, it's like, oh, research and discovery and archaeology and sources.
What are you talking about the first source 250 years late. This in itself is unacceptable for can't forget the Council of dominium 1300 years later, this itself 250 years later.
250 years later, in the in the abovesaid era. Someone is writing the Quran and saying, This is what the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him wrote, how do you know? Who are you? Who did you Who did you meet? Who did you hear from immediately will ask for the chain of narration?
150 years later.
And this is excellent. This is all one of the oldest sources for the Pentateuch.
When it comes to the Old Testament, yeah, it's really,
really unfortunate. When it comes to the New Testament. It's better than the old test. Let's put it that way. It's better than the Old Testament.
But still, as we'll see,
not where it shouldn't be. That's why it was not preserved. Allahu Allah, Allah Allah Allah.
Maybe we can find this question brother here. There was a question I think online for the Quran.
This one under Chapter
you send the pleasure all follow one of the three hubs. What about the rings for her?
No, I didn't say that. Okay, I hope the brother or sister is this thing. And please also, listen to me when I gave the example of
the three words and so that
when we're talking about the punishment being doubled, I was giving that as an example of
all 10 Piro has
only including three halves. Just to tell you Akira is not equal to a half.
They are not the same.
several kilometres all followed one half
where he says where they are the other for the other for their brother. It's probably the other four that was removed, possibly from the last review of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam with Jibreel or possibly
from the time of assessment. Okay, those Ashraf were removed we said in the question of how many of remain? You said Allah Allah the most correct opinion is that some of the remaining others were left out. So of those are these three
I hope that clarifies it
they would have studied what
see, this is years and years of work history, decades or centuries of work and it continues.
Again, everything I'm telling you is based on their sources, this is what they say this is not what we say.
You want to know what they say what their opinion is. They are saying this is the history of the compilation of their holy book
okay, Eric Allah He comes upon it along with the Hyundai Kona shadow Allah. Mr. Furukawa to read the
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