Compiling the Quran and Bible 4

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Last was salam ala Nabina Muhammad wa ala and it was mine

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with regards to now, the compilation at the time of Asmara, the Allah Han.

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So the correct way to talk about the stages of compilation of the Quran, starting with the Prophet sallallahu alayhi salam do not ignore that

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something very important that we learned, right? That this is a oh there's a question Okay.

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After I'm done Allah

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there was a compilation that happened at the time of the Prophet Sol Sol.

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And the Quran was fully compiled with it, then we have the compilation of the time of Abu buck. And now we have come to the compilation of the time of man

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that time of Ceman radula one

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what happened was the following.

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A similar warning came to us marady Allah who, as had come to a Woobox

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and now we're talking about some time possibly in the year 25 Hijiri.

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25 Hijiri, essentially around 15 years or so,

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after the death of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam.

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the famous hadith

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of Al Bukhari mentions to us that the great Sahaba of the Allah who was a familiar man,

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the one who was the holder of the secrets of the Prophet SAW Selim de familia man.

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He came to us Mara de la one.

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At a time when the people of Sham and Iraq

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busy in jihad

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in the area of Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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The poll was afraid that the people of Sherman Iraq

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were displaying differences in their Quranic recitation.

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Now, let's just go back a little bit and remember, Islam spread

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at a rate that

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the wilderness dollars of history until today

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at the time of hormonal doula, and

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at the time of asthma

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If people looked at Islam,

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non Arab,

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north east from all different directions first.

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We're coming to Islam people were reading the Quran

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and you had these different recitations of different hair of

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the one who's a fan of the alarm years, the people of Shaban, Iraq,

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are going already north and east.

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is hearing some differences between them. Resistor Esmeralda, Allahu

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au Ameerul Momineen

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save this nation before they differ about the book in the Quran, as did the Jews and Christians before.

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So as man of the Allahu unsent, a message to have some

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Why have sought

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is the keeper of the

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manuscripts from the title of Abu Bakr varkala Feeco.

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He sent a message to Hafsa he's saying send us the manuscripts of the Quran, so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies, and then we will return the manuscripts to

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Hafsa sent it to us man

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and then us man or of the Allah who

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assigned a quartet panel

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are this compilation

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the celebrated Zaytoven sabbat

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who succeeded in performing the first compilation of the time

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Roebuck Abdullah Abdullah Zubaydah,

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so are you in the last

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Abdul Rahman Tyndall Harris militia?

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He delegated to them to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.

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And then Earth man said to the three

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Rashi men, three men from Porsche, in case you disagree with Zaid ibn sabot on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of polish

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because the Quran was revealed the dialectic,

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the first half per se

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the words the dialect was the dialect of Polish

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as we saw when we talked about taboo and Boo

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so after they did so, and they wrote the many copies of Ceman return the original manuscripts to have son

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and then with man sent to every Muslim province of Quran

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in one of those copies

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and he ordered that all other Quranic materials

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whether fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies of the Quran to be burned.

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So let's move on the law who wants to stop the possibility of there being differences in the Quran

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that are no longer acceptable differences like you had seen before.

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Even Aveda would narrates authentically

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the authority of swayed by novella

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he said

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that Ali Radi Allahu unsaid, notice Subhanallah highly of the Allah Han, not anyone else.

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enemies of Allah subhanaw taala would like to portray that

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the Sahaba hated each other man and I thought

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maybe Hollywood was in love and blamed the US man for what he did. He burnt the Quran and so on No, earlier or the Aladdin saying this. He said Do not say anything but good about a smell of the alarm.

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He said he did not do what he did regarding the Messiah has except

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with all of us being there, and participating as well, but did not do this on his own. How about were there earlier of the Allah and was there we said these are the two giants of the Sahaba when it came to teaching the Quran and passing it on was nine and a leave of the Allahu anha.

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he would ask us why would ask what do you say about this Cara, this recitation

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it came to his attention that some people will say my Akira is better than yours.

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This is where he said stop.

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This is where it stops.

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He said this is almost a statement of cover.

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Say my era is yours. Clearly it has gone beyond

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the benefits of having the different karate and recitations

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with an understanding that this is all acceptable and all from Allah. Now as more and more people are coming more and more people are even put on Arab non Arab spreading everywhere. Some are starting to say my Quran is better than yours. Man said stop.

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No more.

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So we said to him, then what do you what do you think we should do? He said, I think we should

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bring all people together, bring them

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one must have and that way there will not be differences and difference of opinion. And they all agreed

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They all agreed means, there was a consensus of Messiah is not as Marathi Allah and acting on his own.

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On the authority of sway the Buddha as well he says, I heard it even Talib say all people fear Allah

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and do not say about with man that he was the burner of the massage,

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rattle massage.

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He said Well Allah He did not burn it cept

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while we were all among him, have our there was a decision that was taken collectively. And when the Sahaba agree and are in consensus brothers and sisters, we consider this a hijab.

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It is evidence, just like when you say this as evidence for this, this hadith is evidence for this, the consensus of the Sahaba on something is how it is evidence.

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I never did Allah and also narrate Subhanallah look, this is all our little doula. He said if I was the ruler at the time of birth mother would have done the same thing as he had done.

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So, what we see here is that

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this rule saw

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the wrong side of the arrow of rasa meaning

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like a dispensation,

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an easing,

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if you will,

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like when you talk about the roof, sort of shortening the prayer when you travel, this is a rough soft

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option loves making it easy for us, the actual roof was a rasa.

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Profits are selling us for more, make it easier upon people.

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But as soon as they saw

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this wrong saw,

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is no longer

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serving the purpose for which it was given in the first place. And now is causing differences between people.

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So they decided to actually restrict the matter.

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And the transcribed

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what is now known as the semantic copy that was mine, for honor, that was Malik script.

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And he ordered everything else to be Bert.

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This was wisdom, this is the wise thing to do.

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And as it was a rock solid,

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it was something that was meant to make things easy for people.

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It is optional. Just like taking the rock solid is optional. It is optional, to have those actual Fernand. So when the Sahaba decided what they did, and restricted it to the arithmetic script.

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haven't done anything wrong. Because it was also the first place it was optional.

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Because someone might say, wait a second, but that was Quran. How could you burn? No, but the whole idea of the rough was to make things easy now it's making things difficult,

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after Quran spreads far and wide, and it is causing differences between people, and they may even start to fight over. No this or that.

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Well, this begs a very important question and not an easy one.

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Which is therefore, how many of the seven ways are left? Today? seven items.

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And if we take it back to the type of man, the same question would be how many heroes are in the final copy of us man?

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Rob the Aloha

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and if we take it back even further, are all seven our house in the final review between the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam and

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so, again,

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if someone and you know some scholars may have had this opinion, that they

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says all Quran they may be of the view that

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all be there. They're not just cancel some of the afro because it's all Quran unless we look at it in the way we just said which is that it was offside place it's an allowance that Allah gave and now it's causing more trouble than II is therefore there's no issue with restricting it okay it's still talking about the genuine Quran

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as us man Radi Allahu Han told them a few differ what takes preference

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dialect of Quraysh

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So, this is what

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many scholars

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base their opinion on to say that what is left is one heart this is the heart of courage especially if you look at the heart

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as a dialect

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this was the opinion of many what is left is one half

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based on the dialect of Croatia because this is what he left

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remember Tabari is berries have this opinion

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and he says anyway the dialects actually melted eventually. So there is no need for these different dialects. What you have is that one health this is the heart of that was left which is the half of polish

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that we have in the US Manik script

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this was also the opinion of Lima Ibn Abdul Jabbar.

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We said this was the opinion of many that what is left is one out of and this is what you have in the most natural Northmet.

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Okay, and

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what ever the most half of us man allows, allows because of the

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we said the skeletal stripped.

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Right, not being dotted and having the diacritical marks.

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I'll email it Nilgiri

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offers an interesting middle opinion.

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Imam in New Jersey says

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that there was no Nick. Messiah have you used massage in plural?

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mishaps of man? Because we know as metal they allow unsent copies to each of the different lands, right? He sent the most happened he sent the reciter with the most half. Where did he send it? He sent it to the different provinces? Some say five some say seven

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of you obviously Mecca Medina who? Farber Surah

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Yes, a sham.

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Al Bahrain is not Bahrain meaning the state the east of the Arabia. Okay, that area is called Bahrain.

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when he sent these Messiah have

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whatever 100 of these Messiah have allow for all the ones that are left. So he's trying to say what we have based on

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the earth, the most haps the Earth man sent are some of the dial the dialect or the ways the arrow

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that the scripts in those mishaps allow

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some a lot of

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and many scholars are of the opinion that the last review between the province of Salem and Gibreel

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abrogated some of the stuff

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and therefore, what we have left today

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dispersed in depend with hilarity and recitations are some of the health of the seven but not

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only that, which the script

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System sister when you asked about why stereo and stereo yes one of the must haves will have the wall

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and one will not and therefore it is accepted.

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The difference

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and you can say the same about some of the other differences that we mentioned one that has been tactical and hot and one that does not.

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And an Azure is fond of this opinion and supports it as well which is that some of the Ashraf are there not one not Oh

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and he gave the example of men Danielle and her and a hat here and a while there is minor differences based on the different Messiah heads that were sent but all everything in the 10 mutawatir art conform to the script

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of the main most half that said was not really aloha and kept a copy of and the ones that he sent to those different provinces

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and an email what Amber Danny

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mentioned this mentions this very interestingly

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supports this opinion and says that the actor of that are left are what we are semantic script

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in his Messiah have allow for those are the rows that are left

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are Huhtala Harlem.

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This tells us brothers and sisters,

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that the final Hispanic compilation of the Quran

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where all other copies were burnt.

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Where it seems only the adults that the script allows

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that was achieved around 15 Hijiri

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are the cheap

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not just in his resort, in ya know,

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the steam well

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in 15 history we can say

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this was the beginning of the title of it was map, right.

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The title of Rossmann had just started right.

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there is an opinion that by then

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this compilation had been done.

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We look back at the

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the time when a smarter or the Allah who completed this compilation.

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It is a very small period of time

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after the death of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam

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for us to have

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the Quran in its final form

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in which it remained

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all the way up until

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This is no less than a miracle.

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And this is an example of the preservation of Allah subhanaw taala these things we are mentioning these incidents these narrations

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these are all examples of the means through which Allah preserved the Quran.

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And we remind ourselves

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throughout all of this Sahaba are saying, Oh, we missed one idea out of 1000s and 1000s but we found it here.

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They are telling you about a simple difference of taboo and taboo a one letter

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out of a Quran that contains

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1000s and 1000s lines and words.

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This is the preservation of the Quran

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through the monumental efforts of this great man

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any questions about the compilation of us man?

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This is your chance

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No, as we said in the, I don't know if you were there in the first one sister Oh, you were not there, okay, you can review the video Inshallah, by mentioned that the verses within the surah this is by revelation

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from Jibreel to the Prophet SAW said love and they would he would tell them, but these is here, but these is there. Okay? The ordering of the surahs is a difference of opinion between scholars. Some say that the ordering is mandated by Allah. And some say that the ordering of the surah is actually the HT handleless hub is the opinion of this hub. I go into a little bit more detail there. I don't have time to mention it here

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any other questions?

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Okay, just a really quick review, piece of paper.

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Just a review, take your piece of paper, just gonna answer a few quick questions, just to kind of

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you know, have a small break and then we will start in shall have the compilation of the Bible. Question number one.

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The entire Quran existed in written form.

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At the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam true or false, just write it down.

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Write it down. The entire Quran existed in writing.

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At the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. Just write it down. That's number one, true or false?

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One of the most important scribes of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was

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One of the most important scribes

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of the Prophet, those salatu salam was

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Al Hassan Al Masuri

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Zane Eben sabot be

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awesome. Then I've been joined

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and D.

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Smile had been our fun

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and the fifth option is B and D.

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I forgot the question.

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was the most important scribes of the Prophet SAW Selim was a Al Hasan Basri

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B they didn't have it. See awesome urban urban neighborhood. D Rossmann, urban alpha, E, B, and D.

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Questions number three, Abu Bakr, Radi Allahu Han, immediately agreed with the

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suggestion of Omar Radi Allahu Allah to compile the Quran. He immediately agreed to compile the Quran true or false? Just write it down to or false.

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Maybe someone will write down the questions because I'm going to forget them because I'm making them up as I go along.

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which question was that number three. Okay, lesson number four.

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Question number four was man I've been a fan told them. If you differ, then you should use the

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dialect of veiled you should use the dialect of with a true or false

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dialect of who there is

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question number is five or six five okay let's see number five

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seven are the table add are exactly like the

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karate and the Ashraf are identical the recitations and the heroes are identical

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true or false

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question number six

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question number six

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the some of the differences

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in the verses of the Quran

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are very minor

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and they are due to differences in the scale the diacritical marks

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True or False

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due to

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differences in the test scale

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minor differences may be in the test scale and the diacritical marks

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Okay, so easy

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pretty sure everyone got to be 100%

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of question one What was it

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the compilation

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existed in written form

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Yep, it all existed in written form at the time of the puzzle Salem true Excellent.

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existed in written form at the time but not all together. That's what Abu Bakr did right but it was written

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but it was fragmented excellent to question two

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scribes yes they didn't have it an oath but they're both scribes the BND

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D and D which is e right okay all right. Okay question three

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Ah, he agreed immediately oh he didn't write then immediately agreed. Overall the Allah Allah to persuade him okay.

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Let's stop

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here so many voices

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the dialect Ah, okay. He said that if you differ, you choose the dialect all because then Yes, sir. True or False or false. Veil is different than Polish we mentioned several times taboo than taboo. Taboo. desparation taboo is within who they are is the dialect of Abdullah and Miss rude man said Who? Quraysh the original dialect.

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The original half if you will, especially for those who say that the half is a dialect.

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Either is because

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well, what was the next one?

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Right and I have identical, true or false. All's we said they are not identical.

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In fact, they've been Tamia says this is a subject of consensus. There's no difference of opinion that they are not the same. Okay, next one.

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Some of the differences are due to the diacritical marks True or False? True, of course, that's what most of the differences are. That it

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Low frequencies.

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All right.

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I give exams that easy wins.

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institution will fire me.

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Okay, compilation of the Bible. What is the Bible?

00:35:10--> 00:35:17

What is the Bible, the Bible, my dear brothers and sisters, the Bible today

00:35:19--> 00:35:20

is the book

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of the essence is the holy book that the Christians consider the Word of God.

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the Bible

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being the Word of God, according to the Christians

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they have

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divided the Bible into

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two parts.

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It's still called the Holy Bible.

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Those two parts are the Old Testament, and the New Testament.

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The New Testament is what they believe was revealed, and given to Jesus,

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the salah to assemble

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the New Testament, that's why the Old Testament, the older part is what was given to Moses, he spelled

00:36:38--> 00:36:41

the Old Testament and the New Testament. But even though

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what was revealed to Moses Peace Be Upon Him is the Old Testament.

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It is still part of the Bible.

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And they consider it binding.

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Just like the New Testament.

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That's why it's in the Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament, what was revealed to Moses and what was revealed to

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Do not confuse the Bible with the NG.

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When the Quran talks about the NG, we are talking about what was originally revealed to Jesus peace be upon him.

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Because as the Quran tells us, The Bible has been corrupted and changed a lot. And this is something even their scholars must admit.

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When we say the Injeel, we're talking about the original. When we say the tel rah, we're talking about the original that was revealed to Musa alayhis salam,

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not what is in our hands today, whether it is New Testament or Old Testament.

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As we said, even though they call it the Old Testament, they still consider it binding upon them, and therefore it is included in the Bible.

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However, you will find

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that they do not agree on all of the books of the Old Testament, we are starting with the Old Testament.

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What is the Old Testament?

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According to the Protestants, the Old Testament is composed of 39 books.

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According to who, the Protestants

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according to the Catholics, you have to add seven books.

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Already six.

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Already you have a difference of opinion on what constitutes the Old Testament, some say 39 books, one sect says 39 books, the other sexes, or at least

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we have a difference of opinion between the sects about what the Old Testament constitutes the Orthodox agree with the Catholics that it is 46 books

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are the six books in the Old Testament. Yes, the Orthodox and the Catholic Christians.

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The just to remind ourselves, the historical split that happened in Christianity between the Catholic and the Protestant happened in the 16th century with Martin Luther. Okay.

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15 a team

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very long

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time later, okay.

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Long time afterwards, that's when that split happened. Otherwise

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The Catholics and the Orthodox is much older.

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Okay. And

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there were wars and battles between the Orthodox and the Catholics.

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The Orthodox Christians are mostly Eastern Christians, the Christians you find in the Middle East,

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the Arab countries,

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most of the those Christians are Orthodox,

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and of course, Russia.

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largest landmass where you will find Orthodox Christian,

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Orthodox Christianity, the Christians that Muslims came into contact with

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during those years were Orthodox Christians.

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The Catholics and the Orthodox say that the books are actually 46.

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The thing is that

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they don't

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quite know who who's the author of the Old Testament?

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Do you mean

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because they don't they they're practically in agreement.

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Or there may be some difference of opinion that

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this is not the writing of Moses specific opponent.

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It means there is no clear author

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even off

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the first five books of Moses.

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He said the Old Testament is many books.

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The very important part of that Old Testament is the first five books of Moses,

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known as the pen test to look into the penta took the first five books of Moses.

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Sometimes, you may refer to the Old Testament, as

00:42:27--> 00:42:28

the Torah

00:42:30--> 00:42:35

we call what was revealed to Musa Ali salaam, the Torah, the sometimes loosely,

00:42:36--> 00:42:43

you may refer to the Old Testament as the torah but actually for the Jews. This is not very accurate.

00:42:44--> 00:42:48

The whole Hebrew Bible the Old Testament, they call the XR

00:42:52--> 00:42:56

The Five Books of Moses, the pentatonic is what they call the Torah.

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The first five books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

00:43:11--> 00:43:13

Genesis, Exodus,

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Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. These This is the torah the Panther took the first five books of Moses and

00:43:24--> 00:43:43

many of the scholars say this is not the writing of Musa alayhis salaam, the author is not Musa so forget about it's not the words of God. It's not Musa alayhis salam it was written by someone else. And there is no clear author about it.

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When was the penta took written?

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That have to start here brother can you just get the board ready for Televic?

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brothers and sisters

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when did Musa alayhis salam exist approximately, this word is kind of short. I have to be very careful with space.

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I am going to place let's see.

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I'm gonna have to because I want it to be

00:44:51--> 00:44:53

order to be accurate.

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We're going to place this line here

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and we're going to

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All this here

00:45:06--> 00:45:07

the common error

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the common

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00:45:17--> 00:45:17


00:45:21--> 00:45:21


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error common error meaning

00:45:28--> 00:45:29

the beginning

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when Raisa Alayhis Salam was born. So the beginning of the Gregorian calendar

00:45:38--> 00:45:46

zero according to the Gregorian calendar we are in 2023 So, this is zero the beginning of the Common Era

00:45:48--> 00:45:50

also known as ad

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00:45:53--> 00:46:06

because ad actually means no dominate the year of the Lord referring to a recycling center so, it is better for us not to use ad we will say see a common error

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this is zero okay.

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Musa alayhis salam is dated approximately the time of Musa

00:46:17--> 00:46:18


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1200 BC

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1200 years before BC meaning before Christ right so 100 years b before the beginning of the Common Era

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here if I can do this on their

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586 BCE

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very important date

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the Babylonian captivity

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not not the sea This is before Christ. That's, that's different. But what Yeah, it's the same letters, but this is a very important date the Babylonian captivity where the Jews

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slavery and captivity as rather

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there is an opinion that the penta took was written here

00:47:46--> 00:47:47

586 BC

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a few

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days or weeks or months after the death of Musa alayhis salam o few years, two decades

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hundreds of years centuries

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centuries after

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forget about writing at the time of Musa the writing more than 600 years after Musa Elisa

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more than 600 years after Musa lissadell Someone is writing we're not quite sure someone is writing the penta to list five books

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or a proper

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we're not even talking about the rest of the Old Testament now, just the penta took

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some say that the penta took may have taken shape around

00:49:07--> 00:49:10

the fourth century.

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The fourth century, even later.

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Also 800 years after

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Prophet Moses peace be upon him

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it's very understandable.

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The adulteration that happened

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What are you writing hundreds of years?

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Based on what an on room and with what chain of narration if there isn't, there is no chain of narration.

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This is with regards to the pentatonic.

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But what about some of the later books

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Some of the later books were written between

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some of the later books were written between the fourth century and 150 BCE even later

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some of the other books other than the pendant

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if we say 150 That's 1000 years later

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1000 years a millennium

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some of these are

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Songs of Solomon

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and Daniel

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these are books that are part of the Old Testament they're accepted

00:51:08--> 00:51:14

accepted as part of the Old Testament and very loosely as they will say the word of God

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some of the books which they didn't accept Alhamdulillah

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were written even later

00:51:29--> 00:51:30

even later

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and they call them Apocrypha,

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part of the Apocrypha meaning books that are not accepted as part of the canon, whenever you consider you you consider it officially part of the holy book you say it is part of the canon it is canonical.

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00:51:55--> 00:52:02

So, the apocryphal books were not included as part of the canon and those were some of those were written even later on

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another view also holds that

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in this period here third to second century, also known as the Hellenistic era

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one opinion holds that, yes,

00:52:31--> 00:52:42

what was happening there's actually editing the writing had already been there, but here there was just some editing, but there is an opinion that says there is even some writing going on here

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in the Hellenistic era, between second and third century BC.

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00:52:56--> 00:53:01

usually you will hear that the Old Testament as for sources

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or sources

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the oldest one the oldest of those sources, okay the sources are j, e,

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e and d

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okay they call them J E P and D

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the oldest source goes back to

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which is written in Jerusalem, goes back to the time of Solomon

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around here

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just in the middle 975

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to 935.

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The reign of Robert Sulaiman Holloman

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the oldest of the four sources, is this

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some 200 to 250 years after Prophet himself

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this is the oldest source the other sources are later on.

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having said all that

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can see writing can different pages editing of the different books.

00:54:49--> 00:54:57

When do we have what is called the first authoritative Old Testament

00:55:04--> 00:55:04

All right.

00:55:06--> 00:55:08

The first authoritative

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old text the Old Testament text is called

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this right here

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all right

00:55:28--> 00:55:30

Masoretic text.

00:55:32--> 00:55:35

Last orebic text empty

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that would be the first Hebrew Bible

00:55:52--> 00:56:03

the Hebrew version of the book, when is the first authoritative text now, I can present you with the Hebrew Bible

00:56:07--> 00:56:09

the Masoretic text,

00:56:10--> 00:56:11


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opinion which is way out there,

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which I'm not going to take.

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What's it as late as?

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Not century not 10 centuries after a BUSA hell century CE II.

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Then centuries after Prophet Jesus peace be upon him. So where was it for 2000 years? Millennial?

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I'm not I'm not going to take this opinion.

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Honestly, but one scholarly opinion says that the first Masoretic text

00:57:12--> 00:57:15

is dated as 10 century common error

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I'm gonna take what I hope is the better opinion is based on the what is known as the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:57:30--> 00:57:32

And its places it as

00:57:37--> 00:57:38

first century seek,

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a that's much better.

00:57:43--> 00:57:44

First Century

00:57:48--> 00:57:49

first century

00:57:52--> 00:57:54

the first authoritative Hebrew Bible

00:57:57--> 00:57:58

will after Jesus peace be upon him.

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We that's what we just said, Sister, right, the Bible. We say the Bible, as we know it today consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Now we're just talking about the Old Testament. We haven't gotten to the New Testament yet. The Old Testament we said, I'm just summarizing is composed of the Pentateuch also known as the torah, the first five books of Moses, and many other books, up to 39, according to the Protestants, and up to 46, according to the Catholics and the Orthodox.

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But now,

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when we want to ask when is the first authoritative Old Testament Jewish Hebrew Bible compiled?

00:58:50--> 00:58:58

The first authoritative Masoretic Text MT, according to the better opinion, first century CE II,

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so over 1300 years after Musa alayhis salam

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they can say here is the Jewish Bible the Jewish acts

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the Word of God according to Moses specific one

00:59:17--> 00:59:17


00:59:19--> 00:59:30

They could they they use Bible sometimes loosely. Yeah, kind of like a holy book, Jewish Bible or something like that. Yeah, they call it the 10 of the Jews call it the teknaf Okay.

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We said the Torah more precisely, is the penta took the first five books of Moses, the first five books of Moses

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of Moses.

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Now we want the whole thing including the other books, there are so many other books as well.

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are part of the Old Testament Cyrillic text.

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01:00:09--> 01:00:12

So I want you to kind of

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deliberate over this and listen to the following quotation by one of the authorities that canonical status of certain disputed books of the Old Testament was defined that the Council of Jamna this is what this was. The first century was the Council of Germany.

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late first century

01:00:52--> 01:00:58

an authoritative text of the Old Testament was also established. So

01:00:59--> 01:01:13

these councils where they would discuss the canonical status of the books meaning do we include this book in the Word of God or not? Is it accurate? Is it canonical?

01:01:14--> 01:01:20

They're discussing this, the Council of Germany after profit is already set up already.

01:01:21--> 01:01:28

over 1300 years after Moses peace be upon him, they are discussing at the council.

01:01:30--> 01:02:00

What is canonical and what is not? Which books should be included in which books should not then we put this into perspective. That's kind of like us around this time. Now saying, wait a second. What is the Quran actually? Is it this to this? Should Seurat and Arraf be considered part of the Quran? Now we're discussing it now. There's a Council of Scholars and they are discussing what is the Quran?

01:02:01--> 01:02:30

What is canonical and what is not? What's the way they discuss the canonical status is not something that we have Alhamdulillah when it comes to the Quran, but just giving you that example, still debating over what exactly is the Quran now, now 1440 Something a little bit later than 1300 years, but okay. But just to put it in perspective, so maybe 100 years ago, scholars got together, and they're still talking about what exactly is the Quran?

01:02:32--> 01:02:32


01:02:35--> 01:02:39

What do you think about that? And then, you know, people like

01:02:41--> 01:02:44

scrutinizing the Quran with this magnifying glass.

01:02:45--> 01:02:50

Are you doing? Have you used that magnifying glass of your books?

01:02:52--> 01:03:02

And this is unfortunate. I don't see this, you know, and I am happy. It's unfortunate, because this is how we lost, you know, the authentic words.

01:03:03--> 01:03:10

What was revealed, but Allah told us that it's going to be adulterated and they are not going to preserve it. Right?

01:03:11--> 01:03:13

So, yeah,

01:03:14--> 01:03:18

we'll discussing it the first century CE II.

01:03:22--> 01:03:25

Now, this Jewish Book,

01:03:27--> 01:03:28

in Hebrew,

01:03:30--> 01:03:34

was then translated into Greek, okay.

01:03:35--> 01:03:36

In what is called

01:03:38--> 01:03:40

the the Septuagint.

01:03:42--> 01:03:43

The Septuagint.

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And this is

01:03:50--> 01:03:51

somewhere here, I believe.

01:03:52--> 01:03:54

It's mostly here actually.

01:04:00--> 01:04:05

This is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.

01:04:07--> 01:04:15

And it happened in Alexandria, after the reign of Alexander the Great around that time, third century or so BC.

01:04:18--> 01:04:38

Okay, and it is still the basis of the Old Testament, or the Greek Orthodox. We said the Christians consider the Old Testament binding, it's why it's in the Bible. Right? It's part of the law, that Jesus peace be upon him is teaching

01:04:40--> 01:04:42

us Jesus peace be upon him came to confirm

01:04:43--> 01:04:46

the law of Moses not to cancel it.

01:04:47--> 01:04:49

To be there, it is binding.

01:04:50--> 01:04:56

For the Greek Orthodox, the Septuagint remains the authoritative text for them.

01:05:00--> 01:05:01


01:05:03--> 01:05:08

not everyone will agree with this, because it contains what some consider apocryphal material

01:05:09--> 01:05:16

was he cannot canonical material some material which is not they would not agree is part of the Word of God

01:05:19--> 01:05:21

or the Greek Orthodox it is

01:05:24--> 01:05:26

canonical and it is

01:05:27--> 01:05:29

authentic or valid right

01:05:35--> 01:05:36


01:05:50--> 01:05:55

this is with regards to the tall wall and the Old Testament. But there's another

01:05:59--> 01:06:00

book that will keep hearing another name.

01:06:03--> 01:06:04

The Jews use,

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we are going to come very soon

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would be very important.

01:06:18--> 01:06:20

Maybe even more important to them.

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And the books themselves, the Talmud being the oral tradition, the oral opinions of the rabbi's and their scholars on the Old Testament,

01:06:37--> 01:06:38

almost like a Tafseer.

01:06:40--> 01:06:43

The Talmud contains some

01:06:44--> 01:06:45

renders fix

01:06:51--> 01:06:55

the Talmud is written somewhere between the second

01:06:58--> 01:07:01

and the fourth centuries CE.

01:07:05--> 01:07:06

Again, just

01:07:08--> 01:07:10

explanation, exegesis of

01:07:12--> 01:07:16

the holy book, Talmud somewhere here,

01:07:17--> 01:07:18


01:07:21--> 01:07:25

What is known as the Jerusalem Talmud

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is in the fourth century.

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And the Babylonian Talmud is in the

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fifth century.

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Many, many, many years later.

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Do the Christians

01:07:51--> 01:07:53

include the Talmud? Of course not?

01:07:54--> 01:07:56

Because the Talmud is not binding

01:07:57--> 01:07:58

as the Old Testament

01:07:59--> 01:08:02

This is mainly because it was written after

01:08:03--> 01:08:04

the Saudis.

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the Talmud is something the Jews

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consider binding but not Christian.

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Any questions?

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Of course, like we said the Christians consider the Old Testament binding Yes, but with a small difference in the number of books, the Catholics and the

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Orthodox have 46 books instead of 39.

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Optics clubs are Orthodox, because they are like we said, the Christians in the Arab countries are for all practical purposes, Orthodox Greek and they have they have their differences of course between them and the Catholics and the Protestants.

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There will be some minor differences but that's you know, that's a different,

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the different

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focus. We're looking at the compilation and the books now.

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Out of Time

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Like we said here

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seems that the penta two was written, possibly sometime here in 586 BC about 600 years, the Five Books of Moses 600 years after it

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was not

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next 100 years but 100 years later

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we don't know who exactly is writing, no matter what he's writing

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got the tablets he received the Torah from Allah, the genuine word of Allah in the Torah that was revealed to mu Sally's salah, but that was not preserved. That was not written.

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Allah Allah, the

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it was in writing and the tablet that he received.

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And we may say that he received the Torah. Some say the Torah is different than the tablets, Allah Allah. But

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that's when Musa alayhis salam received it. That's when it should have been

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watered down, written, preserved and compiled.

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just keeps going on and on and on. Yes, one of the sources, okay, it's a little bit close about 250 years. Relative though it's all relative, right? 250 years. If you talk about the Quran, 250 years, what are you talking about? We're talking about a few years, the compilation of what is already there, actually. But it's just the compiling, right. But here. Okay, so this is one of the sources of the four is this old? But again, who,

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who and what and where that's why it's called je PD, who what's the name? It's a source, we don't know who it is, and what and where, how can we build a chain of narration, such as Jay took from E M. C? Who is? Who is he? And who is Pete? What is their? What are their credentials? Are they you know, are they acceptable? Are they so?

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But this is the theory now, this is where the theory stands.

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Again, it's unfortunate. You lost the Word of God.

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You did not give it.

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Its due right. And that's why we lost it. So parabola, oh, decreed that this will be the case.

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Of course,

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course and it's in the Old Testament as well.

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Having said that, brothers and sisters, and this is an important point, especially when we come to the New Testament. When we say adulteration and corruption, yes, there's plenty of that. But does that mean that it is all false from A to Z? No.

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There are still slivers and tidbits of truth here and there. And one of the ways we know that is if it agrees with the Quran

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and some of you may have seen some of my classes of the Tafseer because we are doing salted Bacara right. So we're talking about all of the stories of Venezuela. And it is remarkable.

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Some of the similarities and the differences are also remarkable. And you can see part of the reason why

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some of the corruption is happening

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and the adulteration.

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It was lost when, like Where exactly did it stop? It's not very clear, right?

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It didn't want

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yeah, horse horse. Okay.

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Well, it's like, like the time of the prophets of salaam still.

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You primitive forms of writing

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Yeah, oral tradition. Yeah. They had that as well. They had that as well. But not not like in finding Islamic like an Islamic. But

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if we talk about the importance of preserved

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bring the Word of God in writing. And just to start right there, you had to have scribes writing, what Musa Ali salaam was saying in the same way.

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It is very far from it.

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Any other questions Yeah.

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Whether it's the Samaritan or other

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things they discover, okay? Or manuscripts,

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they will say it is older and they discover things and they make an archeological discovery, they find a slightly older manuscript, and then they kind of review, you know, what exactly happened and

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Allahu Allah. Okay, we were not absolutely sure. What we do know,

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is that if they discover and we'll see that in the New Testament as well, some earlier manuscripts

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and those manuscripts

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talk about aspects of the religion or the history in a slightly different way that when you what will you find in the current form, then immediately discarded as a radical works, works of heretics,

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works of people who are not really on the religion.

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So when they started seeing some of the older works, especially with regards to the New Testament, okay, when we get to that

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talk of talk about God is one God, and we know that there were Unitarian Christians who did not believe in the trinity or those are heretics, those works we cannot accept.

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So, it would be essentially the same,

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they will immediately possibly discard it unless it conforms with what they have today.

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This is problematic for them if it doesn't conform, but as Muslims and objective researchers, they will be very interested to find something like this because this may leave them to the reality of how far they went in their corruption and adulteration because actually, that is a better portrayal and representation of what was originally revealed to Musa Ali salaam artery Sally's

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Allahu Allah, I

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think we have to end but I will take your question sister and there was a question online I think about the Quran. And maybe if you can just bring it up for me. No, go ahead. Ask your question. Because this is where we are now. I forgot about that one.

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reading something reading something of the old book, right? Something of what they had, of course, then we was there. Well, how about I'm gonna call pub Sr. Right?

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Whatever you have pub somewhere here, right?

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Definitely there was something even if we say the Masoretic text is its first centuries so yes, of course there's something called the Torah the sub there's a book or teachings it's there

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but it's already been corrupted

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the author of Atlas is the problem who is the author? And because like I said, they they're pretty clear that

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Musa al salaam did not write the rod for the penta took

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someone else's writing skills

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as a as a as a great personality and scholar according to them definitely.

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But when they talk about the sources,

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this is what they talk about.

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Yes, there are some new theories,

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but the theory is only concerned how to look at the sources. Do you combine j with another

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One, you know, that type of thing. But this is what they consider authentic that the Torah came from these four sources. Again,

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if you look at that on its own,

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kind of independently, you might say, Oh, wow, a lot of scholarship, knowing the authenticity of the holy book. But then

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for a Muslim, when you look at it, you think to yourself, what's going on?

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For them, it's like, oh, research and discovery and archaeology and sources.

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What are you talking about the first source 250 years late. This in itself is unacceptable for can't forget the Council of dominium 1300 years later, this itself 250 years later.

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250 years later, in the in the abovesaid era. Someone is writing the Quran and saying, This is what the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him wrote, how do you know? Who are you? Who did you Who did you meet? Who did you hear from immediately will ask for the chain of narration?

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150 years later.

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And this is excellent. This is all one of the oldest sources for the Pentateuch.

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When it comes to the Old Testament, yeah, it's really,

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really unfortunate. When it comes to the New Testament. It's better than the old test. Let's put it that way. It's better than the Old Testament.

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But still, as we'll see,

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not where it shouldn't be. That's why it was not preserved. Allahu Allah, Allah Allah Allah.

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Maybe we can find this question brother here. There was a question I think online for the Quran.

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This one under Chapter

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you send the pleasure all follow one of the three hubs. What about the rings for her?

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No, I didn't say that. Okay, I hope the brother or sister is this thing. And please also, listen to me when I gave the example of

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the three words and so that

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when we're talking about the punishment being doubled, I was giving that as an example of

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all 10 Piro has

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only including three halves. Just to tell you Akira is not equal to a half.

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They are not the same.

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several kilometres all followed one half

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where he says where they are the other for the other for their brother. It's probably the other four that was removed, possibly from the last review of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam with Jibreel or possibly

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from the time of assessment. Okay, those Ashraf were removed we said in the question of how many of remain? You said Allah Allah the most correct opinion is that some of the remaining others were left out. So of those are these three

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I hope that clarifies it

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they would have studied what

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see, this is years and years of work history, decades or centuries of work and it continues.

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Again, everything I'm telling you is based on their sources, this is what they say this is not what we say.

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You want to know what they say what their opinion is. They are saying this is the history of the compilation of their holy book

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okay, Eric Allah He comes upon it along with the Hyundai Kona shadow Allah. Mr. Furukawa to read the

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