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The history and significance of the Bible is discussed, including the Old title of the Bible, the New title of the Bible, and the significance of the Bible as a universal Christian view. The segment also discusses the importance of writing in Greek and the confusion surrounding the writing of Matthew. The importance of creating a credible narrative gospel is emphasized, along with the Synagedic problem and the importance of not being a tacky person. The discussion also touches on the Greek language and its cultural and political implications, including the use of "has been" and the comparison of lifetime births and born/discovery.AI Generated Transcript ©
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glory be to your law knowledge, we accept that which we have taught us Indeed, you are the All Knowing the always Dear brothers and sisters As Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
And we continue with our series on the,
by the Quran and the Bible, comparison of compilation and historicity, we started talking about the compilation of the Bible last time, and we will continue today. Last time we spoke about the compilation of the Old Testament, the Old Testament is part of the Bible. And that's why the Bible is quite big. And you will find the Old Testament is the majority of the Bible.
Interestingly enough, even though the Bible we consider as the book of the Christians, but the majority of it is the Old Testament. In fact, I might be able to show you
this is my Bible, okay? The New King James Version. So, the Old Testament, this is the Old Testament.
This is the New Testament.
Very big difference, right? So the majority is actually the Old Testament, but the quote unquote, Jewish Bible, right? The New Testament is just this.
Very, very interesting, right?
No, no.
The Jewish Bible, the Old Testament, loosely, loosely, the Torah.
Even though more specifically the Torah is the first five books of Moses the penta took, what if we want to say that which was revealed to Musa Ali salaam,
the Old Testament,
before Jesus peace be upon him, then the New Testament, very small part, but all of it is the Bible, it is binding upon the Christians, this canonical, including the Old Testament, right? The week,
spoke about the Old Testament, let us speak today in sha Allah about the New Testament.
So
what is the New Testament?
We
would hope that the New Testament is the word of God.
But this is what we are going to explore.
What is it? And how was it compiled? And ultimately, is it the Word of God
or not?
In reality,
and here, I'm not talking about what Muslims say. We're trying to understand what the Bible is what the New Testament is, more specifically now, but from the mouths of their scholars as well. Okay. So, the New Testament, for all practical purposes is a human account.
It's a human account
of,
we might say, the life of Jesus Peace be upon.
I'll be it. Unfortunately, we will find that it is a human account of so many other things other than the life of Jesus peace be upon him and his teachings as well.
So,
the New Testament
as when we spoke about the Old Testament being composed of several books, the New Testament is composed of 27 books
27 canonical books, the Canon A this is official. It has 27 books,
three of which are known as the narrative Gospels.
The narrative gospels three
Out of the four. So usually you might hear about the four main gospels, right? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Right? The three of those are the narrative gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Right? John is not considered so much a narrative gospel as we'll see.
So out of the 27, we have the three narrative gospels, we have the book of John. So this is four, we have Acts of the Apostles,
Acts of the Apostles. And I'll get into more detail very soon. Then you have the 14 letters of Paul,
the 14th, letters of Paul,
seven additional letters,
and revelation.
These are the 27 books of the New Testament, the New Testament
Okay,
these
four first gospels now, we want to explore
when they were written.
And when they were discovered.
And there is a difference between the two.
So,
these four gospels
were written in the first century,
remember, first century CE II. So this is during the century of Jesus Peace be upon.
If Jesus peace be upon him, died in 33, D 830, is three years after the official beginning of the Gregorian calendar.
Let us claim and take the earlier opinion that
these gospels were all written during the first century.
In other words, before the end of the first century.
But the thing is that they were discovered much later.
So even if they were written in the first century, they were discovered later on sometime in the second and third centuries,
when they were actually discovered,
and this tells you that dating these gospels,
is very problematic.
If they were discovered so much later, how can we know for certain exactly when they were written, and there's a lot of back and forth about when those first four gospels
were written.
One of the reasons for this, is that many of these gospels remained unnamed,
until mid second century.
The gospel is unnamed. Whose is this is this Matthew is this mark is this Luke is this John.
And furthermore, there were versions of these gospels.
Which Gospel of Matthew, which Gospel of Mark,
there were different versions as well.
And, of course, many of the other gospels,
there were a lot of gospels floating around, not just Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There are other gospels as well. But many of those were destroyed,
along with many of their Unitarian advocate,
Christians who are Unitarians, who believed in the unity of God, not in a Triune God or a Trinity
probably when seems like an oxymoron.
So many of those Christians also were persecuted and destroyed. And so were some of those gospels, which eventually were considered part of the Apocrypha, as we said, but gospels or things that we're not officially canonically, the word of God.
Let's speak a little bit about Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Because of the importance of these four gospels,
we are going to immediately assume these are the people closest to Jesus peace be upon him
and
Therefore we are we would like to assume that they are all students of Jesus peace be upon them.
And disciples of Jesus Peace be upon.
But that is a false assumption.
Because they are not all disciples of Jesus Peace be upon
the disciples of Jesus peace be upon him are Matthew and John
don't have to start writing quite yet right? Writing once I start getting into the dates and stuff like that, are now we're still in the first century
is all in the first century.
Matthew, as in the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Matthew,
is a disciple of Jesus Peace be upon.
And so is John the last one.
Mark and Luke are not disciples of Jesus peace be upon him.
In Luke, it is very clear, he tells us very clearly as we will see that he is not a disciple. He did not see Jesus peace be upon him.
Okay.
Matthew is clearly a disciple, as in
one of the verses in Matthew, okay. Matthew 10, verses two to four. Matthew names the 12 disciples.
Okay.
I will just quickly mention some of them Simon Peter, of course.
And then he mentions James the son of Zebedee, and his brother, John, John, the son of Zebedee is John of the Gospel of John.
Okay, so he's the disciple. And he mentioned as well, and Matthew, the tax collector,
amongst the other 12. So Matthew, and John, are the disciples.
Let's talk a little bit about Matthew.
So Matthew was a tax collector.
It is known that he preached in many countries. And eventually, he was preaching in the area of Abyssinia, known as Ethiopia.
And some may claim that he died there.
Preaching
Matthew, wrote his gospel in Hebrew.
Okay.
But it was not discovered in Hebrew. It was discovered in Greek.
So, we have a problem here. He wrote it in Hebrew, who translated it to Greek?
What were his credentials? or her credentials?
how proficient were they in Greek? And Hebrew? how trustworthy were they?
Were again, we don't know when it was translated.
The date of translation to Greek.
But let's go back to his writing. What about his writing? He wrote it in Hebrew. When did he write? It's not absolutely clear all of these details as you will see brothers and sisters are subject of back and forth and debate and controversy. There is no clear date.
But let us take the best opinion. It was written sometime in the mid 80s.
In the mid 80s,
we're talking about the first century it is so ACCE 8083 84 Yeah.
Okay.
We said Jesus peace be upon him died in 33 CE. So we are talking about 50 years after the death of Jesus peace be upon him. Matthew started writing
the Gospel according to Matthew.
He started writing about the life and teachings of Jesus peace be upon them. First he was preaching already.
And some of it may have been oral, but now
his writing it
50 years after his death
when we look at the case of the Quran 50 years after the death of the Prophet SAW Selim, Islam has already spread to a good part of the world.
And the Quran was compiled as we said before, completely compiled 15 years after the death of the Prophet SAW Salem.
We had the compilation of Usman of the Allahu Allah an
already complete, Matthew is beginning to write his gospel 50 years later, we don't have a full Bible yet. This is just Matthew writing his gospel
sometime in the mid 80s. If this is again,
accurate, there are serious objections to attributing this gospel to Matthew in the first place. So there are serious objections by Christian scholars that this is the Gospel of Matthew in the first place. In other words, some may say actually, it is more correct to say, this gospel is anonymous. We don't know who the author is. When we're dealing with the mainstream opinion, it is the Gospel of Matthew written by Matthew sometime in the mid 80s.
If you want to take extreme opinions, some even say Matthew was not a disciple.
Well, we will not go with that we'll take the mainstream opinion, the Gospel according to Matthew.
Very good.
Let's talk about Mark.
We said Mark is not one of the 12 disciples.
However, he was a disciple of Peter, who was of course, the first disciple mentioned of Jesus peace be upon him, and he was also a companion of Paul. Ark was a disciple of Peter and a companion of Paul.
They said he died in Egypt.
Is he the author of the gospel? That's the theory. Like we said, a lot of Christian scholars will say they're all of these gospels are actually anonymous. We're not absolutely sure. Who wrote them.
It was written in Greek.
Some say,
Mark is actually not written by Mark.
Mark is written by his teacher, disciple Peter.
Don't ask me why his teacher,
disciple Peter,
is writing in the name of his student mark.
I can't answer that question.
Again, the date is not really known, but this claim sometime in the mid 70s.
So the gospel of Mark is actually the earliest one.
The earliest of these gospels written sometime in the mid 70s. Still, as we see, about 40 years after the death of Jesus Peace be upon
was it written before the destruction of Jerusalem the second destruction which happened in 70 ce Shala. I'll put that on the board. Once we start putting dates.
So the second destruction of Jerusalem happened in seven CE, the first one happened BC, at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar 586 CE.
Which we mentioned when we talked about the Babylonian captivity of the Jews and the Old Testament. The second destruction was at the hands of Titus in 70. Ce. Did Mark write his Gospel before the destruction or after again it is not clear
this is Mark
with regards to look,
Luke was not a disciple. Again, as we mentioned, neither Mark or Luke was a disciple of Jesus
If they did not see or hear from Jesus peace be upon him. Sometimes a person can be contemporaneous live at the same time, but did not actually learn from the person that not actually listened to them or, or hear from them. So here we're talking about people who are not disciples and we're not contemporaneous. Okay?
He did not see Jesus peace be upon him.
And he says it clearly in his Bible in his Gospel and the very beginning. Okay, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word, delivered them to us.
So the eyewitnesses delivered this tool, look so good, he sees is giving us something of a salad, something of a chain of narration, but who were they?
This would not be acceptable to the scholars of Hadith.
Who were those eyewitnesses named them to us? Were they
trustworthy?
Are they is their testimony acceptable? Do they remember properly? Did they start forgetting later in their life? These are all things the scholars of Hadith would ask about. So who word right you give us just a small part of the minute but not all of it. But he's saying eyewitnesses and ministers delivered them to us. One of the reasons people respect Luke is because he was a physician.
So he was a doctor a physician, so therefore, he probably he paid attention to detail and so on. Right? He could he accompanied Paul as we said,
he wrote his gospel possibly sometime mid 80s or even 90.
Okay,
this is possibly one of the later or latest gospels.
Where was he from in the first place? Difference of opinion, some say Antioch and takia.
Turkey,
present day Turkey, or Italy
they're not exactly close to each other. There are several countries between the but okay, either Antioch or Italy.
Acts of the Apostles is attributed to look.
The book the Acts of the Apostles, is attributed to Luke
which mainly mentions Peter and Paul
because of this,
if Acts of the Apostles is correctly attributed to Luke, Luke is actually the majority author of the New Testament.
If you take the Gospel of Luke, and the Acts of the Apostles, so here's the majority author of the New Testament
Okay, John,
John, the son of Zebedee, yes.
Yes.
Okay.
John is the son of Zebedee.
Again, his gospel is written in Greek.
It's not clear when he wrote
some say 60s, some say 80s.
Some say 90s.
Some say not even in the first century,
went into the next century, sometime between 110 and 130 CE.
That's an extreme opinion, which we will not take, but that is an opinion as well.
Again,
regardless, all of these gospels, as you can see have been written decades, decades after the death of
Jesus piece paper.
It is believed
that John died around nine
These six c e
96. C
if indeed he wrote at some time, the beginning of the second century
when clearly he either didn't die in 96 CEE, either the opinion that he wrote after the beginning of the second century is wrong, or that his death was not in 96. He died later on, which may also mean that
he possibly was not a disciple of Jesus peace be upon him.
Or he was very, very young, and Jesus peace be upon him was preaching or he lived very long.
This is all not very clear. And this is why some scholars say, John cannot be dated at all. It's all conjecture.
Notice now, we're not talking about apocrypha. We're not talking about some of the other books. These are the books the first books we see when we open the New Testament. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
We said that John is not a narrative gospel, not telling stories. Matthew, Mark and Luke are stories. Okay. Things that happened history. John is a book of creed
if creed Arcada
read creed.
Yeah, yes.
So if a Christian wants to
talk about creed with you, he called John.
Okay.
Some Christians caller's claim
that the reason John wrote his gospel
is that priests convinced him to write a credo book.
Because many of the Christians did not believe in the divinity of Christ.
Thus needed to be guided.
John wrote his gospel and focused on creed.
So as we said before, there were many gospels floating around.
And
there were different versions of the Gospels. There were people who still believed in the unity of God.
Maybe they will call
Jesus peace be upon him, not a man, maybe they will call him son of God.
But they will not profess the Trinity. They were Unitarians, God is one,
not three. But Jesus is the Son of God. This was the creed of the Aryans, the followers of arias.
Unity, God is one. But Jesus is the Son of God.
The some of the other heretics and they are even worse heretics, according to the Christians, the Arabian Nights. No, Jesus is a man.
He's a man, a great man. Maybe the best man, but a man.
God is one. You had these Unitarians. And they had their gospels. And this continued all the way up until Nicaea. In three to five see.
The celebrated Council of Nicaea, three to five C E.
That's when the creed of the Trinity was established.
Three to five see.
Up until then, there were still Unitarians.
And there were other gospels.
That's why the
the creed of the Trinity
is actually called the Nicene Creed.
Because it was established in the Council of Nicaea, three to five CE three over 300 years after Jesus died peace be upon him, there's still confusion. Who is God?
Who is the Son of God?
What do we believe?
And that's why when you look at the very earliest creed
some of the earlier Creed's, they were very brief and very clear, with no mention of the Trinity
compared to the Lang, philosophical Nicene Creed, which established the Trinity in three to five
okay.
As we said, these gospels, which we will claim were written sometime in the first century, many decades after Jesus peace be upon him died, were discovered only later on
according to one Christian scholar, I quote, it's now consensus in the New Testament scholarship to some extent, that in the gospels, we're dealing with theologians,
people who are reflecting theologically on Jesus already,
and quote,
theologians there, it's like the work of a scholar, talking about the teachings. It's not
a verbatim narration of what Jesus peace be upon him said,
Okay, or did
their stories they're telling, and maybe things that they're being convinced by others, to clarify, not so much exactly what Jesus peace be upon him said or thought
because of
the issues
that we always already see in these gospels, there is something called the Synoptic Problem,
the Synoptic Problem, and this has to do with the Synoptic Gospels, the three narrative gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
And the Synoptic Problem revolves around trying to establish the relationship between these three
meaning who heard from whom, who worked from whom, who copied whom you because we see
similar similarities and differences,
sometimes contradictions between these three narrative gospels.
This is what scholars talking about the Synoptic Problem, do trying to establish a literary relationship between between these three gospels or lack of Okay.
Some said that Mark wrote his gospel first. We said it's possible mark is the earliest gospel.
Right?
And the reason they claim that is because it is very different.
And then, Matthew and Luke, okay, copied from each other.
Because there's great similarity between their gospels.
However, as we said, most commonly believed Matthew wrote before Luke, maybe by 20 years or so
simple example Matthew and Luke differed on the genealogy of Jesus peace be upon him.
Though we, we claim that Jesus peace be upon him, technically, doesn't really have a genealogy, right? He was born without a father.
He started with Miriam,
Jesus the salivary, then we will talk about the genealogy of Mary technically, right.
Nast, you
raises 26 generations between Jesus peace be upon him and King David.
Nook places 41 generations
between him and his great great great grandfather, that would Allison
and there are many such instances of these differences between Matthew and Luke.
And as we mentioned before,
Christian scholars also talk about many different versions of the same gospel, which Gospel of Mark which gospel of
A Matthew and soul.
And this is why
in the letter of Bishop Clement in Alexandria,
he refers to something called The Secret Gospel of Mark.
And he says, quote,
perhaps the real value
of the secret Gospel of Mark, or the historian of Christian origins, is its confirmation of the instability of gospel texts during the period
between 70 CE and 200 C.
This is one of the Christian scholars, okay. The bishop Klamath and Alexandria mentioned,
had mentioned something called The Secret Gospel of Mark. And now in looking back
this scholar mentions the instability of gospel texts during the period between 70 CE and 200 C. So as we said, a lot of different gospels who wrote when Who is this attributed to what are the differences and so on.
Virtually all manuscripts of Greek New Testament texts are dated third century and later and we'll get to that in sha Allah based on multiple different readings of the same text among the earliest manuscripts, scholars have known all along that from the earliest period that the gospel texts and underwent modification
and quote
okay
should not be surprising that multiple different versions of the same gospel existed at the end of the second century which Gospel of Mark Are you following
or
do you espouse?
Okay, let us talk about Paul.
Paul is very important
all of Tarsus, Apostle Paul
is also known as Apostle Paul, almost like a messenger
because all wrote prolifically?
Yeah, of course.
This is Paul. Paul, do you know who Paul is?
Paul is the majority author of the of the New Testament after Luke. If we say Acts of the Apostles is for Luke otherwise Paul is the majority author of the NT, is letters preaching, this is Paul.
Apostle Paul.
But are our dismay. All did not meet Jesus.
Paul did not meet Jesus peace be upon him. He's not an eyewitness.
Yeah, I'll get to all of that.
On did not see Jesus ministry upon
someone so important.
Some scholars call Christianity or lean Christianity it's attributed to Paul
must admit his disciple
was not a disciple of Jesus peace be upon him.
However, he has a companion of Barnabas, you might have heard of the Gospel of Barnabas.
Unfortunately, gospel of one of us is not canonical,
not part of the official Bible or the Word of God.
According to them
home
Yes, Paul wrote early
this year was asking you about when? Yes quite early.
He his letters are considered some of the first
Biblical material, some time in 66 See,
possibly,
or 50 to 60 BCE, around that period, okay?
Again, still decades after Jesus peace be upon him, and again he never met Jesus, he never heard from
his Master Jesus peace be upon him.
He was killed
in 66 CE, during
imprisonment
all
in the beginning was an enemy of Christianity,
an enemy of Christianity.
So
on his way
to Damascus,
this is the
famous trip to Damascus. On his way,
this is when he became enlightened.
This is when he officially accepted Jesus peace be upon him.
Interestingly, he was going to Damascus, for another purpose. He was going to Damascus to fetch some Christians
to bring them back to punish them.
That's why he was on his way to Damascus.
Okay
he was trying to get a fatwa, quote unquote, okay for bringing back some of the Christians from Damascus to punish them in Palestine.
But on the way the Lord came to him,
okay and inspired him
in some kind of a vision, or some kind of like an amazing
incident into him and inspired him. And now
he starts to preach the gospel.
Of course, he has conflicting accounts of salvation, what it means to be saved. He consistently consistently had visions, that he would obviously mentioned, things he's learning from his visions, he would disparage the other messengers.
The other disciples don't listen to them. Even though some of them are eyewitnesses, their direct disciples of Jesus peace be upon him.
G. Paul, as we know, is very much influenced by Greek mythology,
the idea of the Savior and the Christos.
So, you can clearly see the Greek mythology in his writing.
And it is in this atmosphere
of Greek mythology, the idea of salvation and the Savior and so on. That the four gospels were written
all refers very little to Jesus peace be upon him,
because he didn't see him.
nor could he quote from the other gospels, or his disciples or their disciples, because he wrote his letters before the gospels were written. The narrative gospels were written after all right?
Of course,
all also contradicted Jesus peace be upon him quite a bit. Because Paul would say, forget the law.
The law being the law of Moses history upon the older Sharia.
Jesus peace be upon him said, I came to confirm the law. All says, Forget the law. Just believe.
Just believe in Jesus peace be upon him and you will be saved. So he himself is contradicting the teachings of Jesus peace be upon him.
In fact,
we said Apostle Paul told others forget about the teachings of the other disciples. He accused us some of them of hypocrisy.
Eyewitnesses, disciples of Jesus peace be upon him, accuses them of hypocrisy instead.
Let's take
his version of Christianity from his visions again, he's inspired. According to Christians, he is inspired by he's like an apostle, right?
And of course, he contradicted himself. In many places, it's very unfortunate because this is something you're claiming is the word of God, and the sayings of your master, and not only your master, someone who you claim is the Son of God, or God incarnate himself. Where are his words? Where are his teachings,
scanty attention to that,
according to the interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible,
quote, all the evidence indicates that the words of Jesus were authoritative in the church from the first.
And this makes it the more remarkable that such scanty attention is paid to the works, and words of Jesus in the earliest Christian writings.
Paul's letters, the later episodes, Hebrews, Revelations, and even acts of the apostles have little to report about them.
About the words and teachings of Jesus peace be upon him. So what are we reading? Remember what we said before? Theologians?
They're telling you their theology.
They don't want your theology I want what did Jesus peace be upon him say, what did the Son of God to Allah say?
Where are his words? Were his teachings
are you playing around?
Are you not paying attention to the words of your master and his teachings?
Therefore
when scholars started looking for the words and teachings of Jesus peace be upon him, they discovered there is something called the gospel of Q.
You the letter Q.
The Gospel of Q, yes, we've got it.
The words and teachings of Jesus please people. Finally.
Apparently, there was something called the gospel of Q.
That people
had some kind of access to
the words and teachings of Jesus.
But the gospel of Q is largely lost.
And the gospel of Q went through several layers.
First layer, second layer, third layer.
Gospel of Q, again in the first century, sometime between 40 and 80 CE, okay, decades after Jesus peace be upon him,
one of the earliest texts
and it concentrated on his teachings
clearly the narrative gospels Matthew, Mark and Luke benefited from the Gospel of Q
but unfortunately there's quite a difference
between first layer second layer and thirdly are so we can see is already
interpolation and modification of the sayings and teachings of Jesus peace be upon him the gospel of Q from one layer to another
let me stop here.
There are any questions or comments
and then inshallah we will continue.
Yes
yes, Matthews was written Hebrew, but what we found it in is Greek Yeah.
Making Aramaic. Did Jesus speak Greek?
Not confirm. Some scholars may claim that he spoke Greek that he spoke Hebrew that he spoke, Aramaic,
Latin. What else, Syriac. All of these other dialects? There are claims, but nothing for sure. We say his language was Aramaic. So forget what Aramaic Aramaic Bible No, there's no such thing. Aramaic doesn't exist. Aramaic is practically extinct.
Except for some people, small community, in nice country in Syria, in the north,
speak some Aramaic otherwise the language is extinct.
Much less to talk about an Aramaic Bible.
Yeah, no, it is in Greek Of course.
We'll try translated from Aramaic is from Aramaic to Greek, from Hebrew to Greek. Yes, sister?
No, of course it does. And the Quran tells us that it does. But
before it was corrupted, necessarily, this is one of the first things that will be corrupted. Because as we see from a lot of the corruption and adulteration of the book, a lot of it is very much with clear motive motivation. It's not haphazard. If you are following my seal of certain macara, where we were talking about the stories of Benissa eel.
It's very clear what was changed and why it was changed. It is to exonerate the Jews from wrongdoing.
This so you can see tidbits of the story but rested, and it is no longer the fault of the Jews.
In one way or another, no, no, of course, it is.
We know Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu sallam was mentioned we know the Quran as a revelation to the prophets of salaam was mentioned because the Quran tells us this
No, what I'm saying is the Bible did mention before
before it was changed and modified
verse, Allah subhanaw taala tells us in the Quran, okay, I'll mention these verses maybe at the end inshallah. But he tells us many times, they new prophet Muhammad SAW settlers, they knew their own children.
He was mentioned in the bible is written in the Bible, before it was changed and modified. The revelation of the Quran to Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam is mentioned in the Bible before it was adulterated and change. These are some of the first things that need to be modified.
Because it will completely wipe out everything that they are talking about in terms of theology and history.
Okay, you follow Jesus peace be upon him. But yes, there's someone coming after him.
To all the theology about the Savior, Dying for the Sins, all of these things. A lot of this came later, brothers and sisters.
As we said, there were Unitarians all the way up to Nicaea.
This, this created, the Trinity was only officially established in Nicaea and 325 or 300 years, you hired people who declared the Oneness of Allah.
And possibly, the Jesus Peace Be Upon Him is the Messenger of Allah, nothing more.
But again, very quickly, they wanted to change that in this atmosphere of Greek mythology, or lean Christianity and writings. The Savior dying for their sins on the cross
Oh, Okay
should I pull them up from here or what?
Yeah, that's a good question. Why would the Christians put more weight on the words of Paul than the words of actual disciples Exactly?
Well, because they say he was inspired.
The Lord came to him, okay on the way. And he became one of the main features of his writing
was earlier he was inspired nook wasn't maybe or maybe he was but
all seems to be a different story. And he is one of the majority authors
I saw the last one first it seems
Oh, all the way from the beginning
quite sure about the jeans. Did Jesus have his mom's jeans? Well, as far as I know, he was born 2 million is
Christ. So if he was the biological son of Mary, and then he had her genes
not sure where that question is going.
The gene
think Jesus is neither managing ufology?
Never Never came across this. Just this just a minute sorry, that Mary was a surrogate. He didn't actually take her genes. difficult one, two.
borrowed her womb. Never come across this sorry.
Is this like, I've never heard this.
Apologies for my ignorance. But
somehow he didn't get her genes. It was just she was just a surrogate womb. As far as I know, he is a biological son of Miriam.
So I would assume he inherits her genes, but without a father, so there is no Y chromosome, just the x. But where's this going? I don't quite understand. Maybe the sister can tell us. Whoever asked the question. Yeah.
always enlightening to hear something you haven't heard before?
Regardless, okay, regardless.
Okay, maybe? I don't know. I don't know. But you know, as Muslims we believe. The Isola has Salam was born in the miracle birth without a father
Mary Alayhis Salam
is exonerated of any wrongdoing.
never gotten married, is the most chaste woman in the world. And Allah subhanaw taala blessed her with her son or ISA Alehissalaam okay.
And he was as pious as she was.
Yes, whether it's
you
that's the that's the common opinion
the tax collector, the disciple? Yeah.
that separates me. Yeah.
And Matthew
was, why is he saying and then
possibly, like, that's why we said it's possible that he's not, you know, the Matthew, but we're gonna as we said, we're gonna take the mainstream opinion, you know, if we bother if we take the opinions of even of some Christian scholars, but that are considered kind of out there. There'll be nothing left. There'll be literally nothing left.
The all of the Gospels would be completely anonymous. We don't know who wrote them. We don't know when
we're taking mainstream opinion, the comparison we're making us ultimately, this is what we're doing. We are comparing compilation authenticity and historicity. We're doing it according to their mainstream opinion. We're trying to stay with mainstream opinion.
Okay, shall we just take a small break and come back? Because we need to, we need to continue more questions. There are more questions online and here. Let's just take a small break and we'll come back and Shala
can stretch stand up