Fiqh of Worship #34 – Prayer of The Traveler

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The patient

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one of the things that we,

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there's so much talk about patients that it's so, like,

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it was so hard to talk about patients in one hour, but

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we can talk about patience for the students of knowledge. And it will take like 10 hours to talk about patience, you know quite a bit is

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because anyway, it will take it will take too long, hands on patience in your hand in hand at hand.

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Patience in

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not jumping from one hand, one state spiritual state to the other spiritual state without completing the first one. Patients in macom, you know, and also when in the spiritual stations, you don't ask Allah subhanaw taala to upgrade you into a different station, when you have not really perfected the previous one. And you don't you don't demand that as of Allah subhanaw taala all you need to do is just make sure that you are perfecting your current station before you ask Allah subhanaw taala to upgrade you, because that upgrade, welcome when Allah wants it to come, be patient, being patient is means they agree to extent being content with his plans with his timings as well. Like whatever he

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wants, he you know, I'm pleased with it, it will happen whenever he wants, and I'll be pleased with that, I will not be the mainland and I will not ask Allah subhanaw taala to hasten anything he wants to slow down. He wants, you know, not to basically advance to me, to my community to my own. I'm waiting, you know, just patiently waiting. So, so much talk about probations in different regards, but patience is at the root of all good qualities and all the good actions. Okay, now, Mama died in the year 620 after his era and who wrote along the which is the briefest manual on Hanbury effect.

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And then he you know, he did not only write

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that brief manual, but he wrote other books such as Gaffey, such as alcohol and caffeine and money in this particular order for the more advanced students alimony being a compendium of being the most who have been comparative, certainly with family leaning, but he mentioned the positions of the four other of the three other myths I have, as well as positions of independent maturity and the positions of righteous origins. predecessors including the Sahaba O'Donnell lay in his book that are under any amount of no Kodama started by like usually fukuhara do they start by labourdette and out of a better they start by Salah, but before Salah they

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address a taharah because of Torah is a prerequisite of Salah you could say that they are starting by Salah you know the Torah is for Salah. So mainly for Salah. So that is why tahara comes first but

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it they are actually starting by Salah because they are following the Hadith of the breed. And now we are in the book of salah and now we are up to the chapter of Salatu musafir Babu salata musafir for the chapter of the prayer of the traveler, prayer of the traveler, and he will talk about certain things qualify the qualifying distance, when are you considering the traveler qualifying travel what type of travel is considered qualifying travel for shortening the prayers and

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and fit because Allah cam and Metallica both suffer the rulings that are contingent upon travel would be what I can you know four things are Metallica suffer one of the things is fitted in Ramadan to break your fast in Ramadan. The other thing is, you know, combining the prayers and that is for

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all suffer according to the majority. But for the Hanafi is the only they don't have German and travel accepted nusach except in you know the day of October. So well and then you have what else is

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contingent upon travel is

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shortening the prayer. And that is according to all

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you shorten the prayer on when you're traveling, and when they else is extending the mass part of the wiping down the socks from one day to three days will be the other thing Otherwise, there are no, you know, aside from the outcome of suffering itself, you know what advocates of you know must fit in with each other and stuff like this. But when it comes to an area that will change upon travel, start breaking your fast combining the prayers, shortening the prayers, as well as extending the mask or wiping on the foot gear for one day to three days. So, qualifying distance qualifying travel, there are certain exceptions where you would be traveling, but you cannot shorten the prayer

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rulings, the ruling of shortening is it was observed in the prayer was the hot or what that will be discussed, when we talk about the ruling of certainty into prayer and then he will talk about the duration

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for which you could shorten your prayers. The order is a little bit somewhat, you know,

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because you would expect it or the ruling of shortening to come up here. But anyway, for them, I wanted brevity and he wanted to finish the whole chapter in a couple of paragraphs. So, that that is why the order came in this way. That's why the order came in this way. First thing he said

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is wave I cannot myself are two separate he said that Osheroff for a second where he MSE Romania cassava in he what Ghana MOBA ham fella who cassava fast Fassa.

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Someone said, Okay, So way back Gallup and Sephora, Sephora, he said that Asha for a second set aside money Allah 500 A and for those who are interested in in

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for a second would be Tommy's mansukh also. So the kind of concept that separates at the dancer for a second if the distance of traveling is 16 parsecs,

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which is the distance covered in two days at a moderate speed way to mania possible, which is the distance covered in two days at a moderate speed. What can I do about ham and the travel is permissible follow through roba fossa, then one is entitled to shorten the four Raka prayers particularly or only, only the four Raqqa prayers will be shortened as everybody knows, you don't sort the negative and you don't shorten that. You only shorten the photocopy rates. Okay, so the qualifying distance he said set the cost per second set the data per second

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why did he say 6000? for a second? Where did he come up with us? there? Like there's something called the buried

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there is something called the forest stuff.

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And there is something called mean me and like mile, but mean.

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Let's just call it mile.

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And buried. Hell buried, every buried is for fire sucks. Everybody is for parsers

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how do we write this? Like for here? Okay. And every parser is three miles.

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And the mile is pretty close to the actual mile is you know, it could be a little bit more than our mile, but it's pretty close to our mile. So we would consider the meal to be the mile and we will consider them to be the same thing for the purpose of ease and you know, facility. So bereaved.

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So why did he say 14 process? Because they are important. The 16 parts of them. Why did he say 16 for ourselves? Because there are reports from the lab.

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Particularly in the lab, the hammer of the lab. Now, bear said, mccalla tatsuro female donor Bharti burrows are people of Macedon APNIC costs in a travel that is less than four berries, her Barbara's for berries. So multiply four by four it will be 16 right. So four because everybody it is for parsecs. So we are talking about 16 multiply 16 by three miles every five sophistry

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Miles, were talking about 48 miles, you know,

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some people put it up a little bit more 50.7 or something, but 28 miles will do good enough, you know, we'll consider them I have to be the mile. So, four beds 1636 48 miles

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that is the distance according to the majority. According to the majority, there are 20 different positions 20 different positions on the distance that is qualifying for travel 20 different positions on the distance that's qualifying for travel, where why why are we having so many positions, because there is nothing that is traceable to the profit and that is exit lesson that is explicit and traceable to the profit about the distance that will qualify a traveler to be a travel where you can shorten the prayer.

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Therefore, we have all the controversy 20 different positions and there are mentioned in the end of that have an outside of the Messiah

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if you the only the that contending the the other contending position which is chosen by an aka man and his other book and alimony chosen by therapy chosen by hausa IE chosen by a mayor is that there is no distance there is no is so since we don't have anything traceable to the prophet SAW sentiment explicit then whatever is called travel by or is called as travel by our for our phase what norms customs. So, whatever is customarily called travel because they say madam you have the whole Shara have the hood of that which is not determined by the shadow shall be determined by the norms and customs norms and customs. Why did the Prophet saws are not in the Sahaba this this is the

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qualifying distance for travel. Because the Sahaba understood what travel means for travel needs. Now, we have two different lines of thought here. Some people will say this has not been determined by the shadow let us leave it open and it should be determined by the hour whatever is considered to be travel is travel.

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The rebuttal of this.

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And keep in mind that Hana cinematic for instance, said can also Muslim either Cartagena Maria Medina serata Mia Casa de sala de Pere when this was reported by Muslim and I symptomatic said when the prophet SAW Salah went out of the Medina for three miles, he would shorten the prayer. So the people who say that there is no distance they use the Hadith like this, they say, in fact, the only thing that is traceable to the prophet SAW them in this regard is this heavy vividness of pneumatic that the prophet SAW oh seven which organ the prayer when he went out of the Medina for three miles but what would the majority of the scholars including the formatter have,

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say about this hadith they're saying about this heavy that with with a prophet when a prophet that this heavy does not mean what it appears to me this hobbies means that when the Prophet went out on x travel on a trip, he would start to shorten the prayer three miles from and Medina. Like here Here is the basically the border of Medina here is where the blues or the houses of Medina and

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and then three miles from the prophets third salatu salam to shorten the prayer It is not that he would

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you know be traveling three miles because three miles from Medina would not be considered travel and time era como la said that the Prophet would go out to Albuquerque and would go out to like different places outside of Medina and we've never heard of him shortening the prayer when he went out with his hub to those areas and they would be outside of Medina. He was trying to rebuild the position of having a hazmat or the Aloma animal or Emma hola and Are they alive on hold? So where he said that once you have left the the borders, the fence, the the walls of your city cities used to have walls at the time village city once he left that border or city border or or wall or whatever,

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you are allowed to shorten the prayer even if you're just going out like one or two miles and coming back. So

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So then we have the this line you know that the majority of the scholars said it is

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For the eight miles, and we should just stick with this for an eight miles and we should stick with this. But that is 48 miles not within your town, not within your village, not within your city that is 48 miles after you have left your city. But

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how do you leave your city?

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What is leaving the city?

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Nowadays, we have a lot of complexities because like in California, for instance, you could travel for hours, and not you're always surrounded by buildings. And you're also

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Well, for our scholars, you know, the past, leaving the city meant to leave

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the booth, the the inhabited area of the city, the wall, you know, you go through the gate, cities have gates, once you have left to the gate, it is complicated for us. But we can basically deduce from what the mentioned is that when you cross a water body, you'd have to say, when you cross like farmlands, or when you go through farmlands, except if you go through the sort of the ranches that people live in, you know, that are attached to suburbia, or as well if you go through farmland, you have lived through the city going through farmland crossing a water body. Certainly if your city has a wall in a gate, that would be perfect.

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It can be easy to figure out. But that is when you leave the city.

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And then, you know, if you travel for 48 miles, you should be fine. So your city is Brooklyn.

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Could you say that my city is Brooklyn? Could we use the administrative division of cities? You know, whatever. Official official, the division of cities has our guideline. And we do this?

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Some people may say yes, because we don't have any other guidelines to go by because Brooklyn is adjacent to Queens queens is next to Long Island manga.

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You have the ocean. But but sometimes it is very hard to figure out when did you leave your city? So can we consider the official division of cities? Anyway, it will feel to you that you have left your city count for the eight miles after this approximately, and then you're safe to shorten the prayer. It will feel to you that you've left when city count for the eight miles after this, it will be safe for you to shorten the prayer. What about the other position that says that the 48 miles comes from our beloved nomina of the love Namaste. We have reports from our live no homework, for instance, that he would turn it into prayer if he traveled for one minute we have this report from Alice that

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the prophet SAW said I'm circling the prayer you're saying that he meant to travel for a longer distance it the Hadith is not saying this, what about this, this position is a very strong position or position that I told you I was there I am therapy and

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Kodama and Modi and me and so on, it is a very strong position. The problem with this position,

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you know, when you reflect on this position, the problem with this position is that people are crooked.

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And they just like

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see, like really weird fat our

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like you could really interest some people with this position and say that they will, they will, you know, suffer that is determined by customs and norms. These are sensible people that will not call travel something that is other than travel. Really the travel for them may be more than 48 miles.

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But, but for the for many of us, you know, let's say for some of us to be nice. For some of us. We really can we're looking for any shortcut, we're looking for anything. So that is the danger of that position. If you leave it up to norms up to customs and when we don't have established norms and everybody will make up their norms. That is what is sort of this comfort thing about this position otherwise

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from a legal perspective, from a delete perspective, that position seems to be stronger because we really don't have anything definitive and traceable to the profits.

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Also remember to determine the distance, but we will take, we will take the position of the majority of the scholars as basically explanation of the norms, explanation of the customs. So, the majority of the scholars put this number two basically

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give us something to go by, give us some guidelines, if we

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are unable to, to figure things out, the other position seems to be stronger evidence wise, you know, I am not denying this, because there is nothing traceable and definitive traceable to the prophet and definitive, you know, to say that this is the number but this is this is let's let's say this is the this is the suggested number, but the majority of our righteous criticisms are Muslim scholars majority, not all of them, because we have people that disagree.

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And because we need something to go by, particularly with you know, more and more people being less honest, then we'll just use this number. Yes.

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So, according to that position 48 miles, therefore, we're not counting from your starting point they were counting from the city limits.

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They are counting from the city and

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everybody counts.

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The problem is that

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let me tell you this.

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The problem is where is your city limit because they didn't really specifically mentioned that you're we're counting, you're going to start to count once you have left.

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The they talked about, they talked about leaving the city limits to begin your shortening of the prayers. But he did not say that leaving your either to start account before the eight miles where after you leave the city limits, but that is what is deduced from what they said. That's what I understand from their statements. Cities used to be very small. If you think about the Medina, in Medina itself, he used to be very small.

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If you think about Mecca, Mecca used to be Beeson Medina is my laboratory, you know from the east and the west.

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And the hydroxide from the north and south and the north. And that between those four heights or mountains is in Medina, which is a pretty small so they did not really explicitly state when do you start the account but it is understood that you're starting an account from your city limits. Nowadays, however, your city limits could be

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like extremely far. But as long as you are traveling with it, they will say that you will travel within your city for the eight miles and that is really within your city. And the all of the houses are next to each other. You have not lived by moron, you have not went through farmland you have not crossed water bodies you have not lived left the Emraan of your city, that is by the agreement not travel.

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So you're you're traveling for 48 miles within your city houses are you know adjacent to each other. There is no interruption of the Emraan

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you are not going through farmland you're not going through the wilderness or jungles or mountains or anything that is not travel.

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Also use this definition of traveling or the permissibility of

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girls traveling without my phone.

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Because this is a question I get asked all the time.

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According to

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the for the for ease. I think you should say that because of the because you don't have to give people but the Hadith of the Prophet saws and and for the maximum issues of an ailment when either one of the Hadith talked about suffering more than one of the Hadees talked about suffering in general without clarification. So suffering almudaina would be

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the shortest

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For which you need the modem

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and certainly

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needing the mme for safe travel is a controversial issue. We were not talking about this now. Whether you need a microphone for

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for safe travel, but we're talking about the default.

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Okay. Sorry, I would be shorter than this. Yes.

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Can you still be considered a traveler

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cuz you're traveling 48 miles for work regularly.

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Okay, so this is basically

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like in Makati and and Hammad and people that travel. The scholars did mentioned this by the way if you if you drive a taxi, and if your taxi or your ship is your home, you're not a traveler. If you're you have a home and you have a family and you don't take them with you, because sometimes in Makati that they take their family or the sailor, their family lives with them on ship, you know. So that is not they're not travelers, see their ship is their home.

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If you're not one of those, and you have a home, and you will travel for 48 miles to work, you will leave the limits of your city, you will go through the farmland and so on.

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I would say my understanding is that you're you're counting the 48 miles after you've left your city.

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So you're not counting the 48 miles by your car odometer because that you know all the turns and all of that we're counting a straight line as 48 miles like let's say someone is going like through

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One way and you have to make a return. So you could travel 48 miles and maybe you have not left your block.

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But we're talking about 48 miles and this is a matter of estimation. So you're estimating as a matter of estimation, you're estimating that you have traveled after you've left your city 48 miles to qualify. Okay, so that's the point of the qualifying distance. And we said that the evidence was the stronger position is that it is there is has not been determined. Therefore it should be determined by norms and customs. But practically speaking, we should I accept the suggestion of the majority of our earlier scholars and just go away for the aid so that we could tell people something tangible, concrete, instead of just telling them whatever is whatever you feel is travel is travel.

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Everybody now. Yeah.

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So I don't think the committee is pretty

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long at least 103.

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One mile, is equal to

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it isn't it is extremely difficult to figure out because even the honeyberries even at booty and sacramentality era that he quotes from even harder about the the, you know, the mile, what does the mile mean? And so he's borrowing from Shafi.

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Yeah, so that is not inherently Hanbury. That's a sort of a determination that the latter combat is wanted to adopt. So I wouldn't be so like,

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No, no, no. Here, both of you know, his explanation by a booty he takes in both cases from even harder and harder is talking about the prevalent

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sort of understanding in Egypt during that time with the meal meant in Egypt during that time. It is extremely hard. What we can be comfortable with is that it is for everybody. There's three four socks every forest

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says three miles, what is the mile? That there is much controversy here? And it will be extremely hard to tell what is the mile?

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And I said, like in the beginning, I said that 48 is for simplicity, not for accuracy, because it is extremely difficult to figure out what would be accurate in this regard. So,

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say it's Alex, the

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sensor, putting some effort into this, by the way,

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practically speaking, he did invest some effort, and he came up with this 50.7 88 kilometers 50.7 miles.

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So you may use that.

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It's, it's all approximate, because no one can really tell

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is the qualification is this?

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No, because they clearly said that if you cover it in one hour, that would be considered travel.

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So the completely the day is specifically pointed out this point, are we talking about time? Or are we talking about distance? They say that you cover this distance in one hour? That is they're considered travel?

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Yeah, so we're talking about distance, we're not talking about 5000 years ago.

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Used to suffer for your files, right? So

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the answer to this specifically and said if you cover this distance in one hour, it's still considered travel. Because the concept itself is that this is a charity from Allah subhanaw taala. So we accept the loss charity. So this is basically

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sort of suffering from Allah concession concession from Allah, so we shouldn't complicate the matter. You know, IANA. Ivanova maniac came

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up and said to him, Allah subhanaw taala said, we know that up to the phrase Allahu Akbar Ahmed Hassan 50 may have dinner Camilla vena cava, and if you traveled through the land, then there is no sin upon you in shortening the prayer if you fear the disbelievers if you fear from the disbelievers he said no one is fear of this weavers now. This was during the cuddapah of Amaro de la know the whole peninsula was Muslim. No one is afraid of the disbelievers are working set Yala. I said the same thing to the prophet SAW seven and the prophet SAW said and said to me Soka Posada, Allahu

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Akbar Lusaka tala. It is a charity that Allah has given you are granted to you accept the loss charity, just you know, so we should not say oh now No, we'll just take it

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Okay, then inadequate American law said we're not going to suffer to suffer is a photographer second William Scirocco made in Pasadena and that

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he said if if the distance is 16 561 burried is 45615 surface three miles one mile is I'm not going to tell you you figure it out.

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you know, I know you know personally that he did a lot of

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homework before he made up this number 50.7 miles, I find it to be very close to 48 and France free to be particularly simple. So the van he said wamc romantico Casa in and that is the distance you cover in two days at a moderate speed, but they specifically said but even if you cover it in one hour, it's the travel what can and will back on and that travel is permissible that one is entitled to shorten the for rock opera years particularly travel is permissible when is the travel impermissible or another a lot of reasons. You know someone is traveling for like some wicked, you know, intensive

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casino, but, but sightseeing is not wicked,

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you know, sightsee because you will find in the books of the footpath that they say land is not for the tourists. When they talk about

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when we translate this as the tourists, they don't mean the tourists. They mean the one who is just going around without aim without like direction, just going around like just moving around.

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it like that.

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Have an M, which is also the one who's going around, like,

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in the wilderness without aim, but sightseeing is is something else is called the newshound. Further for German sightseeing, and you know

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that that is still permissible and that is there that will still allow you to shorten the prayer. So if you're going to Spain, you know which the

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who's who takes

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it also take a go speed now.

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So if you're going to speed with Chicago Hakeem quick, then you could shorten the prayers.

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Except these are the exceptions. Now we will go over the exceptions. Yeah, Tom nobuaki. him he prays behind the president and that is by the agreement of the former head, you pray behind the resident you pray like there is the four rockers by agreement of the form of how will a man will pass? Or he does not intend to shorten the prayer. If you start the prayer without intending to shorten the prayer, that default, keep in mind that default is always for records. How many records is though? How many records

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that is the default? That is the default. So you will if he did not intend you're traveling, but he did not intend to shorten the prayer and you said Allahu Akbar to phrase and then he said, Oh, I'm traveling, I should have intended.

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So I will say it says, okay, you could you could say the prey too because you're you said have the concession. But keep in mind, the the position of the in the method is that no, you're gonna pray for because you did not make the intention to shorten the prayer. And the default for our prayer is for unless you made the intention beforehand, before you say Allahu Akbar, you will not shorten the pray. Then he said, We answer salata, however players could have suffered, he forgets a prayer that become that became do on him while a resident and remembers it while traveling. If you if you if you if you are at home, and then you pray, the prayer times comes in, and then you forget and then you

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travel. And then you want to pray that prayer. How are you going to pray for two for

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vice versa, you are traveling and you arrive, now you're home. Now your home when the time came in you were traveling to was the house when the time came in? Let's say it was though, when the time came and you're traveling, you arrived home before us are you going to pray to or for for the default is for you have so that's all I have to come in while you're traveling, which has to do with

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that is when you perform it you have to be traveling. If one of these two happened when you were not traveling, Roger, that was a bad fit, however, how could they have been harder if it becomes obligatory on you while you're resident not traveling or you perform it either or you perform it while you're a resident and not traveling for not to

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and then he said a lot of suffering fails quarter half and harder.

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He forgets a prayer that became do while traveling and he remembers it while a resident in these cases he needs to complete the prayer. Also lots of suffering fans got a half and father follow him he forgets a prayer that became do while traveling and he remembers it while the resident in these cases he needs to complete that prayer

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in here that

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that he missed a prayer until the time expired and then remember to in travel.

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He doesn't mean you left your own five minutes after

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both. He means both. So you left your home after as an avoider by five minutes. What about our lakes and harder it became obligatory on you and harder became obligatory on your father and you left and you traveled and then you wanted there is no problem. You could do that. But you want the now to Praise Lord while you're traveling. This person

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ticular prayer you've prayed for, because it became whacked upon you while you were as the other scenario is, you're traveling. And you remember that four days ago, I forgot to pray.

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How you gonna pray to because you're traveling go for because it's making obligatory on you while you are resident for not to four is the default weather when in doubt pray for when not pray for if you pray behind someone, and you don't know if you're traveling and you pray behind someone and you don't know, like, you know, in the conferences, when we, you know, after after they they make that a generic prayer. And then you'll find a lot of people praying and you join a gym and then the conference and you don't know if they are these people from here or they're from a different city, if they look like they are from a different city.

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Kind of how you figure it out nowadays, but a traveler would look different, you know, in those times her traveler would really look different from a resident so but if they look like they are travelers and you have collaborative fun, you're comfortable that they are traveler, you can make them a year

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to play behind them

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or you could even do something better which is to say if they were making pasta I'm praying behind them pasta and if they he's making it ma'am or praying for the non praying behind them for and in this case, it is okay. When when is it when Is that okay? When Yaga Baba Nick when it is most likely that this person is actually a traveler, when there are signs that this person is a traveler

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good signs that this person is a traveler, then you could pray behind them in this way.

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When when safety and you attend more comfortable after it is permissible for the traveler to pray the complete prayer

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but shortening it is preferable shortening it is preferable shortening it is preferable by consensus right.

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No one disagrees shorter than it is preferable by consensus. Why? Because the profit sector arm or the long run with profits or something

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or bottles of Coca Cola except the ones charity, then accept the loss charity would either mean obligatory or recommended, at least it is recommended. At least it is recommended. And the statement will go for advice on a computer now.

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There is no sin in shortening the prayer makes it feel more recommended than obligatory because Allah says there is no sin if you should shorten the prayer. You know, so makes it feel recommended more than obligatory who said obligatory

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chemo or honey, but who would be expected to say it's obligatory in our house, for sure. But anyway, but the rest of the scholars said it is preferable. The Maliki's added a little bit of a push to preferable and they consider that, you know, to be superior to the congregation of prayer. So if you are that, you know, so you pray in congregation or you pray alone, have you pray in congregation and completed or you pray alone and short today, the Maliki's would feel that it is superior to pray alone and shorten it than to pray in congregation to that extent. So it is really preferable for dramatic ease. Safa usafa combat he said just preferable and hanifa said it is obligatory to

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Women now when it comes to exit I mean, Trina Salatin uttama in the Miyajima cassava, we're in now on anila iqama extra mineka Sheena, Salah, Aton

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cassava, He who has the intention to stay more than the period of 21 prayers, meaning for four full days plus one more prayer must complete his prayers. If he does not have this intention. He continues to shorten his prayers for forever. Okay, so if someone had knows how long he will stay, someone knows how long he will stay.

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Let's first finish with the one who does not know how long he will stay the melanin Monza reported the consensus of the scholars that someone who does not know how long he will stay can

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Continue to play costs forever.

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And there are many reports from the Sahaba. Aim, I have a list of reports here for you from the Sahaba. One lot ame, who spent months and sometimes years shortening the prayer. The scholars say, the majority of the scholars said that those people did not know how long they will say they were there for a particular purpose. And once this purpose was over the meant to go back, and they can continue, like if you if you are from, you know, you're from the countryside. You know, I'm from Egypt. I know, I'm gonna give any example if you're if you're from the countryside, and you come to Cairo for some government document. And, you know, if you come to Cairo for a government document,

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and you're from the countryside, you

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maybe it's better now, but I don't know.

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But when it used to be there, it's, you know, you really don't know like, you know, could it be like a few days, a couple of years.

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So you're not sure, then, then in this case, you continue forever, and that is by consensus, except that the software you said 18 days would be the ceiling. So the software is validated the consensus, sometimes we report the consensus, even if, you know, like a whole method contends that consensus. So the consensus is not really like a bona fide consensus, but it is, you know, it is the vast majority of the scholars to the point that the built in ones are reported as a consensus to the point that they report to that as consensus about the Shafi say 18 would be the city.

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we're done with this, that the vast majority of scholars including the Hambali said that if you don't know when you're going back,

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so at no point of time, at no point of time,

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you have the NA, you at no point of time, you knew that you are going to stay more than four days. At no point of time, you knew that you're going to stay more than four days. It's just that, like, I'll go to that sort of was often Mariya or whatever Ministry of this or that tomorrow. And if I get my job done, I'm going back home, and then it's not done, you go back and then I'll go back tomorrow, and then so and so on, as long as now, if you know how long you'll stay on finishing the particular questions. If you know how long you'll stay then the heated disagreements started. Okay. Hana fees

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15 days

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Maliki's and Chef arrives for days, plus, the day of arrival and the day of departure, the the day of arrival day of departure mannequins interface, otherwise the medical interface would have been pretty much like us. But sometimes also the Hanbury is they report different numbers. So they have different

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positions here. So mannequins and shafr. eyes will say four days plus arrival

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and departure. So it could be almost six days for the medic isn't chafa is because they don't count for the day of arrival and departure you come in the day of your arrival does not count. The day of your departure does not count. What about the ham Betty the ham, berries and berries? More than 20

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can be said more than 21.

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Common look into this. Figure out what is the mother

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There are the mother of itself. They mentioned both. They mentioned extra minutes in Saba experiment. Serena Saba the men mentioned more than 21 more than 20 It may be that it is more than 21. It may be that it is more than 20. So once up to 20. You're shortening 21. If you play 21 you're not shortening.

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This let's go by this after 20 or shortening 21. You're not shortening, but also in the math there there there are in different books with a number of these have more than 21. So from 22 on your your networking, just remember 20 because it's closer now

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What is what else is out there? No Limits?

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No when it is not in any one of the authorized positions of the form of So, if you want to be on the safe side, and you want to be in bamboo hut and I have an armbar, basically, which is

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Yeah, evidence wise evidence wise, why did they say no limit, they said no limits because of the reports from the Sahaba they prayed for months and years, you know, and they said that it is

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it is in comprehensible that the Sahaba that someone would would do it short, you know, shorten for like months or years and at no point of time,

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they have the knowledge that they will stay more than four days, or that they will stay more than three days.

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They also said that the profits of the loss of them made possible in the book for 20 days. They also say that the profits or loss on the meet costs when after the conquest of Mecca in Mecca for 18 or 19 days.

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Therefore, and they will also say that when the prophet SAW that went for how to he stayed for days in,

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in Mecca four days in Mina one day in one day out, so 10 days total and this was reported by the webinar best that he may have cost a mecca for 10 days.

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That people who have numbers who have you know, who designated numbers of days or Salawat would answer this

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by saying that the prophet SAW Southern spent the 19 days in Mecca not knowing at any point that he will. He was he was just doing things in Mecca. And he did not know at any point that he will spend more than four days. However people may contend and say, No, it's not really possible, the prophet SAW someone you know,

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who was extremely organized. It's not possible the Prophet would spend 90 days but at no point in time, he would actually

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he knew that he was going to spend more than four days and then they will say that for the profit some of our some of them spent all of this time

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the Prophet sallallahu Sallam spent all of this time

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shortening the prayers, let us say he did not know. But where are you coming up with the numbers from? You know, how do you designate those numbers. And those numbers also, there are different 18 different positions of the righteous predecessors and the great, which stands above the numbers, you know, what, what is the number the or the longest duration, of course, if you want to enjoy being in within the basically the the form of an authorized view of the forum as I have, and you don't define that this particular position can vary position of more than 20 starting from 21, which is pretty close to the Medicare Sharpie because 20 prayers is four days with Americans and Sharpies wouldn't

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wouldn't have will give you in addition to this the day of arrival and the day of departure. So if you're if you're not comfortable with the termination,

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taking the position 15 days will be enough for you.

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Yeah, really, because if you think about how to position you will be a no stay looking within the position, the positions of the forum have I have and we said that we do not really

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the pilots from the position of the form of I have if they accepted there is a need and it's a valid position of any man which didyma like him, you know, there are certain conditions to depart from the position of the form of a so if you want to pick a number, pick the Hanafi number, which is 15 days, if you're comfortable with with the four days or the 20 priors that's good for you as well.

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applies for shortening again combination of applies for sharpening and combination. Yes.

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No, you start once you arrive. Good. This is a very good question. A very good question. You know, as Esther said that she's hanafy and she will shorten for 15 days. She is she she she arrived today and she will stay for 30 days. Let's

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Say 20 days, she will spend 20 days here she's traveling, she will spend 20 days and she's taking the hanafy position or 15 days that she shortened for 15 and then

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complete the prayer for the last five days. No, absolutely not, not according to any one of them. Once you know that you are going to be a resident, when you arrive, you complete the prayer.

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You don't take four days, you know, it's not like a four days bonus or no.

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Once you arrive, if you're going to spend five days

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aside from the day of arrival and departure, and you are madikeri Shafi and you're going to spend five days on the site for me of the day, five complete days in the middle, aside from the day of departure on arrival and your Medicare Shafi

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you will not shorten any prayer once you have arrived. You will pray for rock house

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maybe many people have been

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Yeah, but but but for a bit because of the people who have arrangements and and so let's stop here and then get five minutes for people to leave who need to leave and then we will take all of your questions. Shall