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smell number 100 lb Alameen salatu salam ala MBI even more Selena Vela Mohamed Salah Khalifa and he was one of your Senators sitting next to the respective brothers and sisters of Santa Monica Monica Well,
today is the fourth of Chaga 1438
which is the eighth of
May 2017. And we will be speaking about the controversy around the beginning of fasting or the controversy regarding the beginning of Salah Confederate or fat your time.
Ramadan is a matter of few days, three weeks or less. And that's why we need to understand this subject without much introduction,
just to save time, and to make the use of the time that we have that we get into the topic
directly without much of introduction regarding salawat and the beginning of fasting as you know my dear respected brothers and sisters
that the beginning of fasting
on a daily basis, it starts with video.
This has been confirmed in a number of a hadith and in the area of Surah Al Baqarah Mokulua bohat day at the Vienna Docomo hypo abluminal cited as Wedeman at vigil, eat and drink until the white incident is distinguished from the black thread
and or the dark thread. And the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sahbihi wa sallam when he was led by a Gibreel when Gibreel the angel Jibreel alayhi salam came to teach the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sabio settlement the Ummah, the beginning of the Salah time,
he came down, and he led the Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam, the Fajr of Salah in the beginning of its time, which is as the as it is mentioned in the Hadith had
had the EDA Alfredo when the Fajr was started. And as you know, in number of Hadith, the Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam said, and federal, federal, federal or state or federal Academy,
there is a true federal and there is a false federal. And it has been the unanimous agreement of the scholars of the OMA that the beginning of federal solar is pollute the federal side because of the eye and because of the Hadith, the numerous Hadith, and so on, we don't need to listen to them again, just because of time. I think everyone is aware of those Hadith.
Paulo alphazero sadaqa is the beginning of the Fajr time.
Okay. And it has been also the agreement of all the OMA that the beginning of fasting is polluted and federal Saudi as well.
is polluted and vegetal Saudi as well.
And the IEA confirmed that had diarrhea to be another collusion Abu Dhabi and hola como hypo abdominal hotel as well the minimal federal Yes, until the Whiteread eat and drink until the white thread is distinguished from the dark thread.
So this is confirmed.
And I don't want my dear brothers and sisters again to get into the Hadith and say this hadith means this this hadith means this that okay, it will take long time discussing something that the scholars have discussed already. And they came up with a conclusion based on the Hadith actually, it was it was explicitly mentioned in the Hadith, that the beginning of Fajr, salah or Subhanallah,
as the Maliki Moroccans call it? Yes, is the fragile time Alpha Rosada, the true Fajr and it is the beginning of the
it is the beginning of fasting
any other opinion is invalid.
It is incorrect. Why? Because it goes against the age of the scholars or it goes against the overwhelming majority of the scholars. So no need to get into that it will take our time to discuss that. Now
after establishing this,
the second issue comes which is
when or how do we know when
alpha j rassada started or not?
How do we know that Alpha zero Sadhak is started or not? At the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
There was no astronomical tools.
There were no watches. So, the Sahaba the people in general used to look at it, and they can acknowledge whether alphazero Sadako started or not. And that's why, as you know, in Hadith, Abdullah Omar Maktoum, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi, Salam used to say we're Kuru, Kuru we're sort of what have you and then it'd be no no Maktoum and he used to be a blind person, eat and drink until only Maktoum gives his adept he used to be a blind person. And he used to raise the dawn when people used to say to him Father Alfredo Tala Alfetta. Okay, when the 5g era starts, yeah, people tell him so we would make the advent
of 5g. So and that was the habit of the people at that time. Then astronomy, okay.
Astronomy developed actually astronomy at that time was developed, okay. But the Arabs at that time they will not, especially in the in during the time of the Prophet salallahu Alaihe. Salam, they were not that much interested in astronomy, okay. And some of them used to know about astronomy and astronomy and facts, etc. But they were not much interested in it because there was no need for it. Okay, there was no need for it. And then the need emerged or the need expanded. So there were so many Muslim astronomers, Muslim astronomers starting from a Rihanna. Sorry, Al Biruni, or why honey, and many others, many others. And in fact, it has been confirmed that Muslim astronomers, they were
so advanced in astronomy, and there were some astronomical tools that were founded or invented by Muslim astronomers. And there are some stars named here, according to Muslim astronomers. In fact, if you go to Greenwich,
they have a calendar system and they have a system called Alma lab. Yeah. Almanack, a LM, a NC Almanack. Actually, it is an Arabic word Elmendorf. Yeah, that was taken from. Okay. Our astronomers are Muslim astronomers. And there are many stars that are named according to Muslim astronomers. So they were advanced. Now,
Muslim astronomers in the third or fourth hedgerow century, they found that
Al Fajr,
Assad appears when the sun depression is 18 degrees. And they started to write about this. Okay, because some people find it difficult to know, when does the federal start? Yeah, maybe it is cloudy, or they don't have the experience, or so on. So, and this is needed by every single Muslim. So that's why most of them astronomers, they said that
I'll federal solder Sadhak it starts when there is
when the sun depression is 18 degrees, okay, which means that the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon. They mentioned this. It is true that not many of them have used it. Okay, but some astronomers used it to calculate the Fajr time this goes back to the fourth century for his rock. Essentially, we came across some scholars, some Muslim scholars and astronomers who established that formula at the fourth Hijra century. And they continued to in fact, the scholars after that adopted the same formula.
The vast majority of Muslim scholars adopted what Muslim astronomers have said regarding the beginning of Fajr time, the vast majority and there are some studies
Even Western studies that confirm
that Muslim astronomers throughout history, the vast majority of them confirmed that the federal time it starts when the sun depression is a 10 degree or the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon.
Okay. Now
some people say that, why did you talk about astronomy? We don't need astronomy because, okay we can, Allah Allah Allah Allah says, We're Kurosawa, Dieter Bay and Hola, como, hytrel, abdominal hightail as well the middle failure and the Sahaba used to watch if the failure of time starts, then they will start they will stop eating, drinking. So we don't need astronomy we need to go back to what to observation, naked observation and they also say that or observation by naked eye, they also say that
when it comes to the beginning of Ramadan, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sahbihi wa sallam said that
so Moliro at you after all right at first when you see the new moon and stop fasting when you see that new moon, so the Prophet sallallahu sallam said Lirael etc ETV when you see it, and the prophets Allah Allah Allah Selim also said in Mattoon, OMYA learn Aktobe when an acid we are an illiterate OMA means in matters of a bad we do not calculate. Yes, a shallow Hakka Hakka, Hakka Yeah, ya means the shower can be 39 days or 30 days, we do not calculate Yeah, the month is either Sorry 29 or 30 days we do not calculate when the shower is starts, okay, we see the new moon and we rely on the observation of the naked eye.
So, if that is the case and we are an illiterate on that, why did you start talking about calculation and 18 degrees and astronomy and so on, so forth. We say that talking about calculation in matter of solar is inevitable.
Yeah, talking about calculation, observation, astronomy, mathematics, etc, when it comes to the timing of Salah is inevitable.
Why
not because because land escape just common sense. Common sense because this is something that many people misunderstood. Common sense. Okay.
The difference between deciding the new month and deciding the salah time is grave is huge. They cannot be compared with regards to the new month, establishing the beginning of the month of Ramadan. We follow the Hadith of the Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam so little at first when you see it, okay, now, the OMA is millions. You don't need to what you don't need the OMA to see the new moon
one or two. If they see the new moon then they will they will inform the OMA and they will tell the Ummah but someone has to see the new moon. We do not rely on calculation because the prophets are seldom said sumo little at first when you see it. Okay, fast when you see it. So, one of the OMA has to see the new moon for this year in order to say that Ramadan is started
and then when this individual sees the new moon, he will go to the leader of the Muslim ummah, and then the leader of the Muslim ummah will declare to the Ummah, that this is the beginning of the month, if there is no Halifa, no leader for the entire Ummah, then each country, they have a leader, then the leader will decide in that country. If there is no leader in that country, then the vast majority of Muslims, yeah, represent that the leader of the ummah. So if the vast majority of the Ummah accepted that accepted that testimony that the new moon was cited
Okay, then they will and then they decided accordingly, then that is the beginning of the new month. This is based on the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa salatu salam had it to be Hurayrah and certainly an eternity when the Prophet sallallahu sallam said, a soul my alma mater so Amano and federal Yamato flew fast when you all fast and stop fasting when you all stop fast, same thing with the Ebola and the day of sacrifice when you all do that. So it is a combination between citing the new moon and the decision of the Muslim leader or who represents the Muslim leader, the vast majority of Muslims in that country.
But the basis for that is what citing then you mourn by the naked eye, whether you are wearing glasses or using pinnacles or but you have to cite it, we have to cite it, someone from the OMA have has to cite it. Okay.
Can we use calculation, which means that last year, the moon was cited at that time, okay, no, we cannot use that because the province or Salam said so little at first when you see it, and this is clear. And this is the opinion that was endorsed by the vast majority of scholars.
You can say Iijima from Tabby in may be more positive, even though Abdullah Shaffir and maybe one or two very odd scholars who accepted calculation Yeah. So let us not get into that. And it is a matter that is confirmed. So in deciding the new moon
and deciding the new month, sorry, we rely on
what what is known as my Shahada Moon sighting
when we decide that new moon, okay, we rely on my Shahada, as well as the agreement of what of the Muslim leader is a combination because of the Hadith, not just my Shahada, and not every single one is required to do the most Shahada. Okay, so this is a clear, what about deciding the beginning of prayer times? It is impossible to rely on Moshe hada from this perspective, how? Yes,
we will.
Every single year,
if we rely on my Shahada every single year,
for every single day, for every single Salah, we should send a group of people to witness the beginning of budget, the beginning of the whole, the beginning of Hausa, the beginning of the beginning of Asia, because this is what we do with what
with the shahada for the new month? Yeah, every single month, we have to do them a shahada, one of the Ummah not all the OMA one of the OMA and then he will announce it, and then the Muslim leader who will accept or would reject, etc, but every single month, we should do what? The Shahada. Now, if we want to do more shahada for the beginning of the Salawat every single Salah every single day, we should work.
We should have a group of the OMA go and do my Shahada.
Yes, this is impossible.
This is impossible.
And that's why none of the scholars endorse this. In fact, the Sharia did not endorse this. In fact, what Allah Allah Allah, Allah said, is the opposite of this because the deen of Allah, Allah, Allah is practical. This is impossible to be done. Not only that, but it is impossible to the to be done from another perspective. In London, every single Salah some people have to go and to see the moon shahada for what, four or five years ago her answer every single day. And for Birmingham, the same thing for Saudi Arabia the same thing for Pakistan the same thing? Yeah, for every single country for every single city. No, not only that. East London is far away from West London, from North
London from South London. So every single day,
we have to send a group of people in every single space to what to do my Shahada, those who said that we rely on my Shahada
Yes, in deciding the beginning of the Salawa time, they did not understand the point.
If we rely on the shahada, then this should happen. Because this is what we do for them we shahada of what? of the new month, every single month. A group of people have to go and witness but as you can see, the gray The difference is so grave. That's why Subhanallah which is something common sense. That's why as we said, Sherry, I never said to us go and do my Shahada. Yeah, Allah Allah Allah Allah says in the Quran when he spoke about the beginning of the Salah time Yes. What did he say up I miss salata what Lee do location see era in the late afternoon salata Lee row at the locations or lead locations in late two locations in up Leroy here to do location, but when the
Prophet sallallahu wasallam said so more lay row at he he didn't save sumo later oh
yes, no, he said sumo lira Yeti when you see it, but for Salah Allah Allah Allah says after insalata li do look so dude okay Shams, when the sun moves, okay, towards the east, Duke, according to any one meaning that astronomical fact is, whether we see it or we don't see it is the beginning of the Salah. Again, that astronomical fact whether we see it or we don't see it is what
is the beginning of the Salah time. However, when Allah Jalla wa when the Prophet sallallahu sallam said what so mu little Yeti he, if the sun if the moon appears, let us say hypothetically appears, but we do not see it.
We are not commanded to fast in fact, we are commanded to go for completing the account as the Prophet sallallahu sallam said completing the account of Shabbat as what? As 30 days. Okay, so the presence of the moon in the sky, not in of itself is that I love or the suburb for the beginning of fasting. Yeah, is not the reason for the beginning of fasting, or the Allah of fasting. The reason for the beginning of fasting is as we said, the combination between the moon the sighting of the new moon, the moon sighting as well as the acceptance of the leader or the the leaders of the Muslims.
But when it comes to the beginning of the Salah time, the salah time is the actual astronomical fact is what
is
there's a law or the sub Verizon the causative effect for the beginning of the Salah.
Is that clear? This is a fundamental difference, unfortunately. Now many people say all over Europe, they say me shahada, me shahada, my Shahada. I say to them, when was the last time you so the time of Fudger? No, no, no, we did not see it. But a group of scholars saw it. I said, Okay, excellent. When did this group of scholar when did this group of scholar see the time of failure? They saw it 20 years ago, I said, but this is not I'm a Shahada. They made the most shahada for what, for 20 years ago, or 10 years ago, then we shahada is a messiah, like what? Yes, my Shahada, like damn shahada of the new moon every single Salah you have to not you someone has to do the most Shahada.
Okay, and this is totally impractical. That's why Sharia never said, do my Shahada for what for the prayer timing, Allah Allah Allah Allah say that Camino Salah Telugu location c'est la voz de lado Quran and Sunnah Khurana if it can I'm sure that if the astronomy will tell fact is there that's it. Okay. You know it by seeing it you know it because someone told you he saw it. You know it because last year haha what did we say? You know it because the last year
Hear it came out at the same time, you will know it because 10 years ago, it came at the same time. You knew it, because 1000 years ago, it came at the same time, it doesn't matter. Yeah. unless things change. Yeah, but things we don't we know that things do not to change. That's why the early astronomical, the early Muslim astronomers, they said they came up with this formula, because they know that there is a need for the formula to decide the beginning of fragile time and to decide even the end of the beginning of Asia time and the other Salawat as well. So I hope that this difference is clear. Okay.
Okay, insha Allah, I don't want to dwell into this difference. But if it is not clear, please brothers on especially there is no recording, listen to it. Okay, and you will only understand the difference. And that's why none of these colors, none of the oldest colors or the new scholars, or the contemporary scholars say that we need to do more shahada for the Salawa time. Yeah, for that Salawa times the prayers, timing. Okay. Now, someone might say, where did we come up with this 18 degrees from? Where did we come up with this 18 degrees from as we said in the beginning of the lecture, that the early Muslim astronomers they were observing when the time of forgery stars based
on rakudo or Shinobu Hathaway another common hypoalbuminemia Taylor Swift demeanor photo, and based on Hadith. Also, Abdullah bin Al Maktoum. Yes, eat and drink until Abdullah Al Maktoum race is that and the other Hadith so they noticed that and federal sodic Yeah, they noticed that by observation, so there was almost shahada original shahada not they came up with it from nowhere. Some people say astronomy astronomy, we don't believe in astronomy. Yeah. No, we believe in astronomy and certain things we take what astronomy say and certain things we do not take what astronomy say. I and some people say you are adamant that we do not use calculation for the beginning of Ramadan? I say yes, I
do not do that. Not because me it is because what the overwhelming majority of scholars never accepted astronomy to decide the beginning of the month of Ramadan and the end of the month of Ramadan fully stop. Who am I to say no? What they have said is wrong. And I am correct. Yes. And even if there is a big scholar now to say they were wrong, we say to him, keep your opinion for you, we prefer to follow the overwhelming majority of the scholars. Similarly on on the other side, the overwhelming majority of scholars said that we accept calculation because it is inevitable and deciding what the beginning and the end of the sila time. Yeah. And also the beginning of what of
fasting on a daily basis. Not on a monthly basis, not the beginning of the month of Ramadan, but the beginning of ahimsa. Yeah. And the end of Saturday, all of them said that yes, we rely on astronomy. And as we said the early scholars, the early Muslim scholars and astronomers they found that the failure starts at okay 18 degree depression or some depression. So this is clear Inshallah, okay. Now,
is there another degree here to calculate the beginning of budget or the is there any other degree to calculate the beginning of budget? I have not seen
a degree that is supported by
by number of scholars. Yeah, I haven't seen from the past. All what I have seen from the previous scholars, is the 18 degree formula.
Now from some contemporary scholars, all councils, councils, as far as you know, all of them the Muslim World League. Yeah. The Muslim World League fic Council
Based on macro
Council of Pakistan, recently, a brother told me even the Council of India and the council or there is a council in Georgia. Yeah.
Morocco, all
councils. They accepted what they accepted the 18 degrees. There was
the escena. Council. Yeah.
Islamic North America Association. In the beginning, they accepted 15 degrees. Okay. And then they change that two years ago to 18. Degree. There is the European Council of fatwah, they accepted 12 degree and we will talk about it. Now, apart from this, I haven't come across any reputable
council that adopts either degree other than 18 degrees. In fact, if you go to the Muslim world,
all or let me be more precise, okay. The vast majority of Muslim countries and maybe all, maybe I haven't confirmed, but I have confirmed that most of the Muslim countries, they follow the 18 formula, the 18 degrees formula in calculating the Fajr time. Yeah, of course, it's starting from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco. Jordan, Pakistan.
Someone told me Malaysia as well. All of them. Yeah. Use the 18 degrees. Formula.
Egypt,
that there is they they they have a council astronomical Council? I don't know the name of it. They believe on 19 degrees. Yeah. And I don't know whether they're Fajr. They do it to 19 degrees, or 18 degrees. 18. The 19 degrees is what? Earlier than 18 degrees?
Yeah, so they go step further. Yeah. One of the African countries, I don't know which country they accept 18.5. Okay, so
I don't know if any of any country that maybe maybe there is but okay, I was trying to look okay, I could not look at every single country. But the majority of Muslim countries, Arab countries, they accepted the 18 degrees. And as I said, okay, it is the decision of
all major councils. In fact, the fact Council of the Muslim World League in three different occasions, and meetings confirm what the 18 degrees formula.
Yes, I think the first one, they started in 1996, I think, or 86. Sorry, that was the first meeting 1986 And they confirm that failure should be calculated according to 18 degrees. And Asia is I'm not quite sure they said 17.5 or 18. The differences is very minor anyway. Okay. Now, have they said this about all? The whole? The whole globe? Yeah. Or only for Muslim countries. They made it unconditional in the first meeting. 1986. And then the second meeting, they made it clear that this includes all
the whole earth. Yeah. And this what the astronomers have said, Okay.
And, yeah, this, as I said, the overwhelming majority of astronomers have confirmed, in fact, there is a book by
in synchrony with the heavens,
in synchrony with the heavens by Dr.
David King. Yeah. I advise everyone to
look at that book. It is it is available. I think that the first volume available PDF online, yeah, the second one is not but the first one is enough. Yeah. The first one, when I saw it, it is 700 something pages. Yeah. So big. And this is a very, very the actually, the most detailed study that I came across regarding the prior timing and all what Muslims need. Okay. In terms of
There's a guy that, yeah, from astronomical perspective.
It has confirmed as well that all Muslim astronomers, it has he confirmed as he mentioned, you said that.
Yeah, from the time of Alberoni, the fourth hedgerow, essentially, yeah, all the way that the vast majority of scholars. Okay. Has he mentioned any one of them? You followed all?
No, no, no. Has he mentioned anyone who disagrees with the 18? degrees?
Aleppo and?
And Turkey 21, which is even earlier?
Because of the high latitude?
Yeah. To confirm. Yes.
Yes, yeah. They made it 21. Not even correct. The top level there. Yeah. The, the, sorry. But have has anyone mentioned the 12 degree? Okay, the 15 degree. Okay. So go back to this study, very detailed academic study. And he confirmed he listed them that all Muslim astronomers confirm that it is. Or the formula to calculate the beginning of failure, which is the beginning of fasting is what 18 degrees formula? Yeah. Now.
Having said that,
yeah. I remember when this issue
was discussed in the beginning in when I was the Imam of Al Monteggia, in 2003, or 2002. They called for a meeting. And then at that time, there is Dr.
Anna Shadi. Yeah, the Imam of the former Imam, of the Islamic Cultural Center. He said that there is a discussion about the beginning of failure time. And he started this discussion and we had a number of meetings. And then I started to look at this issue. Okay. 2000 to 2003. And I found that the rabbit Council of the rabita many Muslim councils at that time, I even at that time, I did not look at all of them.
They confirm that Federal staff at 18 degrees
fasting, should they start at 18 degrees, I said, Who am I to change that, and I change the timetable that we use to follow in our mantra to the 18 degrees timetable. For the stop, I have no power to go against the overwhelming majority of his colors. And the weird thing is some people individuals, they say scrap all of this and follow my opinion. My opinion is a Roger My opinion is the strongest okay, I say that this is completely methodologically wrong. We should not do this. And I am not willing to do this. Especially if it comes to what to the Ibadah of what
of Muslims, not my own Eva. Their Ibadah of Muslims. Yeah, should be decided by the scholars of the Muslims not by me. Yeah, the scholars of the Ummah, if they agreed Alhamdulillah and this will be any what will make me as an imam or as a scholar safe in front of Allah. Allah Allah. When Allah Allah Allah says to me, why did you make people too fast at that time? Why did you make people to pray at that time? Or you will say Oh, Allah, what did I do?
I followed Sybil mean. Yeah, well, man, you have to tell Rasulullah mean by the Mediterranean Hola. Hola. Hola. Serbian in meaning, I'm not going to follow other than the path of believers. The believers have followed this. I will follow it. Then I set out I'm stalking Serrata Latina untidily him follow the path of the home you have bestowed Your Nana on I'm not willing to change that. Even if I spent 10 years studying that. The Muslim scholars and Asteron astronomers have been following that since what? Since the since the beginning of Israel, so I'm not willing to change. Follow stop. Now. Let us close that chapter. The end of this chapter is the vast majority of Muslim scholars
concluded that the beginning of failure time or sober time
starts at YES
18 degrees formula or starts according to the 18 degrees formula? Yeah. 18 degrees formula means when the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon. Okay, this is the beginning of the Fajr time full stop.
Is there any other valid opinion?
No.
There is no other valid opinion.
Okay.
How come? Because Fajr time? Yeah, maybe not visible? Clear? No, we say that further time may be for us not clear.
Yeah. But for the previous Muslims who used to live in desert, and they you did not suffer from
air pollution from different circumstances from light pollution. It was very clear for them. But for us, yeah, living in the city.
With this air pollution, light pollution, many other factors may be not clear. That's why Sharia didn't say you have to cite it. rely on others. And that will be enough. Maybe for the people who live in the desert. Maybe it is a clear.
Yeah, maybe it is a clear Alhamdulillah if it is unclear, that's okay. That's why even citing the new moon, maybe it's not possible for me, but it is possible for other people who live in the desert or live in areas where there is no air or light pollution. Okay. Now,
what about those massages that follow? Other timing? Yeah, other than 18 degrees, and I make it clear. I would like to make it clear that they are wrong. They are wrong. They are wrong.
Yeah, normally, I'm not that person who have okay, this kind of binary thinking. But this is a clear matter. This is a clear matter. I asked most of the masajid who do not follow the 18 degrees for a basis for their viewpoint. None of them brought a scientific method of calculating the beginning of Fajr.
All what they say is me Shahada. Have you done the shahada yourself? No. Who done the me shahada, a group of scholars when, okay, 10 years ago, but my Shahada, you should do my Shahada yourself? Because this is my Shahada. Okay, if you don't do me shahada yourself, as it is the case with Moon with the new moon, you should do more shahada, as we said, for every single salah, okay. Moreover, these scholars have done the shahada, and they came up with this timing. And the overwhelming majority of the Muslim scholars have done the shahada and they came up with a different
a different figure whom you are going to follow. Are you going to follow those group of scholars provided that all of them are scholars, all of them know what they are doing? Yes. Okay. And
on the other side, are you going to follow those and leave them with shahada of the overwhelming majority of scholars? Impossible? No. Yeah. No know. Why are you leaving the AMA shadow of the overwhelming majority of scholars, okay, to this mu Shahada. If someone were to say, but the overwhelming majority of scholars did not do Moshe they know they did.
Otherwise what what is this 18 degree come from? It is not mentioned in the Quran. It is not mentioned in the Sunnah. But these colors are from the past. Yes, they wanted to see when this in your this astronomical phenomena appears. And they found that it appears when the sun is 18 degrees below the horizon. There are scholars after that have is characterized that and yet, they accepted the 18 degrees. So it is shahada in a way or not. Okay, we want to leave, do you want me to leave that in the shadow of all of these scholars, just to adult I'm a shahada of five scholars seven scholars who want to black burn or
Who wants to other areas in London? Where is there is a lot of light pollution, a lot of air pollution, a lot of other factors. Yeah. And then we say that we adopt their viewpoint and leave them we shadow of the overwhelming majority of scholars possible, we wouldn't do that okay. Now,
we should be close that chapter okay. Let us move to the coming the next point if we
use the 18 degrees formula to calculate the beginning of federal Yeah,
we will notice that
in the northern hemisphere
and the South hemisphere
that
mother with Twilight
Yeah, and the February Twilight there will collapse the mother of Twilight will continue all the way until the February Twilight in the areas that are above 48.34 latitude
okay.
So, the areas that are above Yes, higher than the countries the places that have high that have high latitude or latitude that is above 48.3 for those areas. Yeah, we noticed that the father or the mother would be Twilight, a Scheffer color goes all the way until what
until Fajr.
What does that mean? It means that there is no beginning for there is no accurate beginning for
Fajr Yes, from this perspective only and there is no end for there is sorry, there is no beginning for Russia there is no beginning for Fudger and there is no end for Maghrib because the Twilight goes all the way yes until it worked it collapse with the further a twilight Yeah. And
this period called persistent Twilight period persistent Twilight period okay. If you
imagine it the the the
the earth is like this, yeah, it will be tilted towards his North Pole. Yeah. And it will be rotating. So, obviously, the northern hemisphere of the
earth will be most of the time visible to what? To the sun? That's why the area above what is known as the Arctic 66
latitude, okay. It will be visible to the sun 24 hours. Yeah, that's why on top which is the North Pole, during summer, the sun does not disappear, because they if you see if you think of the sun like this and the earth Yes, now it is tilted towards what to the sun and it will be rotating Yeah, but all the time on a to rotate the northern side the North Pole of the Earth will be what seen by the sun. So, they will see the sun 24/7 Yeah, during the summertime, when you go a little bit south, then the sun will start to disappear a little bit and that makes what the day is light quite long and the nighttime is quite short. This is what this is common sense. And it during that time, the
more south you go
yes, the longer the night will be the
and the shorter the what the day light will be until you go to the other side of the Earth did during that time. It will not see what the sun at all. So if it is if the sun is too visible 24/7
In the Northern Hemisphere in the North Pole during summer time, it will not be visible at all in the South Pole, okay, this is how it is in a very simplistic way. So,
it during a particular period
all countries or all places sorry, above latitude 48.34 They will have this problem, the persistent Twilight period at 48.3 for the persistent Twilight period is one day and the north and you go it will continue it will continue to be come bigger and bigger. Two days three days in London. Yes. The London what is the latitude of London?
Uh huh.
What 20
Okay. 51 Yeah, okay. Of course, London is big money 51 plus minus the persistent Twilight period is almost it started from 24 or 25/25 of May Yeah 24 plus or minus of may and it continues until 17th of July okay. The further north you go that period, okay expands until you reach to the Arctic 66 latitude, then you will go to the other period, which is what 2424 hours complete light or in the winter time 24th 24 hours complete dark, okay.
So, if we use this formula, the 18 degrees formula in London, we will come up with a period which is the persistent Twilight period. Yeah, that loss from 24th of May as we said until fifth 17th of July. Now,
as again, the persistent Twilight period means the time of mercury continues all the way until what
until failure, Jonnie Scheffer, Palama the red Twilight goes all the way until it collapses with what the federal Twilight So, there is no clear end for Maghrib time there is no clear beginning for a short time there is no clear end for Russia, there is no clear end for what
there is no clear beginning for failure which means that there is no clear end from this perspective only from this perspective, there is no clear beginning for what
for fasting
okay. So, because of this, what to do?
Yeah, what can we do now, the contemporary scholars try to come up with different solutions.
Yeah, some solutions are totally unacceptable.
Yeah, and some solutions were what acceptable okay. The solution that was acceptable by or that was accepted by many scholars in in England in particular, and in some other areas. In Europe, they this solution called a trouble am solution. Yeah.
After will be that
No, aka will am solution.
What is accountable am solution? Yeah. They said for example, in London. Yeah. In London, on 24th of May.
Mother's in 24th of May 23 of May.
Asia
has a clear beginning. There is a clear share a beginning for Asia. What time he starts. Okay.
It starts
on
Allahumma Salli ala Muhammad, it starts at 1238.
Yeah,
it starts at 1238. And, yeah, third year. It starts at 180
One to five.
Okay, so God starts at 125.
Okay, according to the 18 degrees formula,
and then the next day, the next day,
as you can see, between failure between Asia and failure is what is a few minutes? Yeah. After that they start to merge.
Yeah. So, what did they say? For the beginning to decide at the beginning of February? What do we need to do we need to go to the last day for God started which is the day after that, yes, which is 25th of May, Friday starts at 114
Yeah 114 Yeah. So, we need to fix that time
all the way until 16th 17th of what
of July
when that period comes to an end, yeah. because summer is what is coming to an end and the shadow signs start to be visible and Fajr starts to be visible again and they start to be visible around 125 So, it is reasonable okay. Here in the beginning of summer further ended at 11414 and by the by the end of summer Fajr also ended at or Fajr starts at 114 Okay, and the day after that is 125 and the day before that almost 125 Okay. So they said during this period, the period of persistent Twilight, we will fix failure to be what? At 114? Because that is operable, here. Okay. And that goes also with the end of that period. This is the formula of Afra will aka the formula of
affordable American
Yeah, the formula of African American not operable, beloved, again, as many people and Imams make a mistake. They said operable invalid is an area is a city somewhere in France. No, it is not Accra will be that valid is different from makan Yeah. Ballad means a country or city. No, we are not talking about a country or a city we are talking about what? McCann? Yeah place. So the scholars said if failure is not visible in this place, go Yeah, to south, because once you go south, failure will be what will be visible. So go to South. Aha, this is the place that is nearest to you where video is what is visible. Therefore, we should adapt to that surgery.
I hope that it is clear. This is the formula of what UCLA will be that? Yeah.
Sorry, UCLA will America. Yes, desert caribou American, the nearest place, okay. Now.
Now, in the beginning, I myself when I told you, when we started this discussion on 2002 and three, I adopted the idea of what are the formula of a caribou? i Yeah. And I printed this. Okay, at that time I printed that mood left. He is the one who helped me to print that. Okay. In 2003 2003 or 2004. Yeah, I'm keeping it from that time because that is a nice memory for me. And in that we put the federal time to be what at 114 during the period of the persistent Twilight, because we adopted what Accra boo I am formula. Okay.
Then, in 2010
or 11.
Yeah.
Anyway, I started to travel to Europe, 2008, nine, something like this to Europe. I think 2010 or 2008
When I was looking at this issue, and I was in Oslo,
and I asked them in Oslo, Oslo, it is 63. Latitude. Yeah. is high up.
I asked them, What do you do?
Hear, they said that they have their own failure. Okay. But I try to go to Almanac, the Her Majesty website. Okay. Almanack website and to find out what should be their failure time.
So, because they are up north, the persistent time period for them is quite what? Long? Yeah.
It starts it is around three plus months.
It around it starts somewhere in April. And it ends up somewhere in September. Okay. That's the period of persistent Twilight. Yeah, it starts somewhere in our period, it starts at 24. Yeah, their period starts somewhere in April. Okay. And it ends in somewhere in
either end of August or beginning of September, something like this. Okay. Most likely end of August, end of August.
So
yes.
I looked at it. What did I find? I find that that if we follow acquirable a yam formula during that period, what will happen? The last day, the shovel in the visible
the shadow a visible sign for the beginning of failure
was in the in as I told you, somewhere in April, it it makes Fajr or Fajr? It starts at 230 something
Yeah. 230 something.
So if we fix that, it's throughout the whole period of persistent Twilight.
Okay. This means that their failure will be at what? At 230? Around 230? Yes, you started to get lost.
By Are you following? Or you lost the discussion? I'm sure most of you lost the discussion by try to wake up not to lose it. And that way I'm doing it for the recording inshallah. Okay, you can revise it or you can look at it in the Yeah, in the recording. Okay. Now,
the Fajr according to the 18 degrees formula, in Oslo, which is higher than which has higher latitude than London,
according to UCLA Boolean formula will be what 230? Why a London which has a latitude of 50 or 51. Yeah, south than Oslo, the Fajr starts at 114.
Does that make sense?
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
So if we go to the north, we said that the night wealth will become shorter, not longer.
Yeah, which means that their failure should start what? Earlier than our failure not later than our failure.
So I said there is something wrong here.
Yeah. So there is something wrong here. I looked at the issue again and again, I said no, there is something wrong with the formula of what of our club as a yam, it should be operable American.
So we started I think, 2013 to adopt a formula of honorable American and how to decide the formula of alcohol American
to go to each city or each place and to go south. Slowly, slowly south until you find what until the sign the shadow a sign is clear, is visible.
And at that time, you calculate the
or that place you calculate the time and I found that
it is true that our caribou, a yam is wrong. Sometimes like the case of Oslo, and some cities,
north of Oslo, the difference between operable American and after I will a young is almost one hour.
So I said that cannot be it is impossible. So I adopted what the area of our caribou and I can, but how to decide after our American, you go to the longest shoot of each city, and you go slowly, slowly, slowly down. Okay, on the same longitude until you come to the the place where the fragile time is visible, clearly visible. And that normally is at or is visible at 48.34.
Latitude. So I calculated the federal at that time, and we produced the prior timetable in 2013 14 or 2013. Yes, 2013 14 and 15. Based on that, okay, our global American I found it that in the entire of Europe above 48.3 For most of the European countries that are located about 48 point if it is for their Fajr it starts at one o'clock around one o'clock. Yeah. If you calculate the Greenwich Mean Time. Yeah, if you take into consideration because Europe, Europe, yeah, some of them follow Greenwich, yeah, some of them follow
the
West Europe one hour difference and then if you go to Finland etc, they go to ESD they follow ESD which is two hours difference, but if you take into consideration, this Jonnie if you take into consideration these differences, and you adopt one criteria, then said your time will start at around one o'clock in the entire of Europe. Okay.
Then, in 2015, I had a meeting with some younger brothers, okay.
Some of them are astronomers or they study astronomy as part of physics. And they introduced to me the idea of nests for Lael Sol solar news for life.
Yeah. Basically, what does this idea say? Yeah, and this is an I have to attribute this idea to them. I adopted that idea. And okay, let me just at this point to record this point, no one adopted this idea and I feel that it is from Allah Allah Allah Allah that has given those two brothers. Yeah, Allah Allah Allah Allah has given them something that is unique. I found actually some previous scholars mentioned the that their idea, but people did not understand what those scholars are saying.
And when I understood what they are saying, and I compared it to what previous scholars are saying, I said yes, that is the understanding of what those previous discolored said about calculating the Fajr time for European countries. Yeah, in summertime, or during persistent Twilight. Okay. Yeah, habibi. I am putting attention to this lecture. Make sure that the recording is there and the voice is that I don't want to lose this. Okay. Is it hashtag crushing
pressure, pressure by Is it is it working? Okay.
So
this this idea, even the Councils none of the council's have adopted that idea. Okay. Not because they didn't know about it. They didn't know about it unfortunately. And I am writing now to the fifth councils about this idea, okay. Which is correct. This idea says that, okay.
The sun
okay. Let us say metal
politically moves otherwise it is doesn't do metaphorically. Okay it moves of course Allah Allah Allah says was a sham strategically Mr. Padilla it runs Yeah. But um so you can get from in this context it doesn't do but let us say that it moves from what from
Uh huh after maghrib from
what
from west to east? Sir No no no after Mallory because it it sets where
it sets in the west and it goes up in the from the east. So it moves in from the west. To the east. Yeah. Let us say like this.
Okay.
What is the Twilight? The mother of a twilight
is the Twilight is the sun rays Razia
of the sun when it is what? When it is in the West?
The Fajr Twilight it is the sun rays when the sun is where? In the east?
Yeah,
I'll find your what is alpha? Alpha J is the twilight of the sun. But witchy Twilight the Marvel movie Twilight or the federal Twilight?
It is the federal Twilight which comes from what
from the east? No, the Federal the Twilight is the federal the Twilight that comes in from the east which means that once the sun Yeah, it reaches to the peak. Okay, the middle between West and East and the sun starts to move towards the east. That point is the beginning of February. It is called the solar midnight.
It is called the solar midnight. Yeah. And they have explained this in a very beautiful
in a very beautiful clip. You can find it on YouTube. And you can find it in their website market. M What M MU
A MU
waqqit.com Go to that website it is the most reliable website to calculate the failure time. Yeah, most reliable one.
Scientific one amazing one. Okay.
So they calculated the beginning of failure during the persistent Twilight during the persistent Twilight period, which is the period okay of the problem for European countries or countries above 48 plus 48.3. For northern hemisphere, okay, latitude. To start, they calculated the failure to be the middle of the soul of night.
The middle of the soul of night. Not that there shall be a night the shadow a night. It starts the shadow a night is the night that starts from nothing. And at what Fajr the solar night. It starts a treasure and ends at what sunrise, that sort of night. The middle of it is what is the beginning for federal.
They came up with this formula. And they came up with the
with the timing. I compare their timing with the timing that I came up with when I followed what aka Robbo American. And I found that that there is maybe three to five minutes difference. And brother Edwin, who is in charge of that website, he said if you calculate your time, carefully, accurately, our time and your time will be the same, which confirms that this formula which is the middle of the solar night is the correct formula to calculate the failure time. And it is not the formula of our parabola. Yeah, the formula of our problem is wrong. The formula of alcohol American is wrong naughty
It is a matter of HDR no it is wrong. Yeah. And the correct formula is either to calculate operable iMac and carefully or and which will end up to be the same formula or the same time of the middle of the solar night. Yeah. The middle of the solar night how to calculate it, simply it is 12 hours after
dark.
Yeah. So
in we will be fasting and that
okay, we will be fasting in sha Allah around the 24th of May. Yeah 24th 25th of May something like that. Failure will be here on 24th of May 5g will be what? 1258? Yeah.
Yeah. 1258
Fudger show the law will be 1258. 5g will be what?
A 1258 After 12 hours? Yeah. Okay. One minute difference plus or minus doesn't make a big difference. So that will be what the first day for fasting? And then after that it will be one o'clock around one o'clock. Something like this. Yeah. And then starts to move slowly. Okay, that is to calculate the middle of what, of
the solar night and that is the beginning of the Fajr. Time. Yeah, during the persistent Twilight for all European countries that have latitude above 48.34. Yeah, this is the beginning of the Fajr. And this is the beginning of fasting around for one o'clock. May Allah help you and help me. Some people said, Wow, this is too long. Yes. I said, this is too long for you on too long for me as well.
Yeah, it's not that you will stop eating at one o'clock and I will continue eating or two or three o'clock. Yeah. No, it doesn't mean that I am enjoying it to make it difficult for you. This is a much earlier before Allah, Allah Allah Allah responsibility before Allah, Allah Allah, I will stand on the Day of Resurrection. McKay and you will be questioned why I made it difficult for people. I want to say that it is not my opinion.
Yeah. It is not him RDF timetable. It is not Islam 21 See, table. It is not tight. And we'll head down timetable. Yeah, it is the table that adopted the 18 degrees that is accepted by the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars throughout history all over the world using the middle of the solar night, which is that correct? formula to calculate the beginning of fragile?
Okay, full stop. Yeah, this is the conclusion. Now. If someone were to ask, What about okay, I hear I want to mention something by the way, the
M RDF timetable, which is known as M RDF timetable, or Islam 21. See timetable. It is the same.
It uses the same formula. Mo of t.com uses, which is a scientific formula, which uses the middle of the solar night formula, which is based on 18 degrees. Yeah.
If you go to Islam 21 C, there is prayer time calculator. Yeah, we put it Okay, which uses as I said, the same formula milwaukee.com uses but it presented in a simpler way. But it is using their formula, which is the correct formula. And there is also a telegram
telegram bot, okay, one of the young brother, may Allah, Allah Allah preserve him. Genius young brother, okay. He produces that bot or to that program called what? At prayer times? Calculator? Yeah, that prayer time calculator, a fantastic one. On telegram. It gives you it gives you in a very simple way.
It gives you in a simple way, your prayer times in any place in the whole earth. Yeah. Either you can enter the name of the city, or you can enter what your location. And it gives you, as you can see, yeah, it gives you the accurate prayer time.
Yeah, it is at prayer times calculator what? That prayer time calculator block. And. Okay. And also, we have produced the prayer times on Islam 21. See, you can go and visit that. Now, just to conclude, if someone were to say, what about the prayer times that are available in London, or elsewhere in Europe, other than those times? All times, I have to say, and although I know that this may make some people bit angry, I have to say that none of them is correct. Unfortunately, none of them is using a scientific formula, a shot or a formula. Ask the Imams they will say yeah, because this is the other Masjid is doing this ask Go back, go back. Yes, because I've been into this
discussion. Then they will say, well, a group of scholars went and did the demo Shahada.
Yeah.
Maybe if someone were to understand or maybe if if some advanced people they might say that we are adopting 12 degree formula, which is the formula adopted by the European Council for fatwa, the European Council for fatwa, Chef Qaradawi. One, with all due respect to them, they made a grave mistake. They made a grave mistake. If you have access to their
study, they left the study to Sheikh Mohammed Al Hawaii. Rahim Allah, He died last year. Mohammed How are you Rahim? Allah, He was a scientific person, not a shy person, a scientific person. He had many studies, etc. In that research in that study, he confirmed that the shadow a sign appears at 18 degrees.
Okay, we'll finish in a few minutes. Yeah. Okay. He said the shadow a sign appears at what 18 degrees. Yeah, but he said 18 degrees makes it difficult for people and the shadow a sign will this will be disturbed during the persistent Twilight. He said but if we change the degree to 12 degree, we will see some consistency. So what did he say 12 degree is the degree the council unfortunately, they said 18 degree is difficult for people 12 degree is an opinion. We want to make life easy for people we want life to make.
Test here for people let us adopt a 12 degree. Yeah, there is no basis for that it is completely wrong. I don't like always to use this any kind of language. But if I know that there is an HD hard, acceptable HDR in this matter, I would have accepted that. But it is completely wrong. So what about the prayer times that we see it here on there? All of them are wrong. The correct formula is the 18 degrees formula. All of them are wrong.
And the Imams are responsible for the fasting of people. Even if the Imam has his own. He had he should keep his Easter to himself. Yeah. Not to let people fast according to his own is to help. If the Imam believes that this is the correct opinion. Yes, he has no authority over people.
And that was to be said is okay, if you have your honesty head. Yes, that 5g results at 230 or around that time, at least tell people that. Okay, my honesty had is failure to start at 1230 or something. And that is the heart of the overwhelming majority of his callers that Fajr starts at around one o'clock. Yeah, I hope that it is clear.
Last point I'd like to say is if you go to the Muslim world, the League website, they adopted the 18 degrees formula. Yeah, but during
In the persistent Twilight, they made a big mistake in calculating the Fajr time. Yeah, I am in a discussion with them to explain this mistake to them. They left it to engineer Mohamed Oda and his team and they miscalculated. They came up with a formula to calculate the beginning of failure. Yes, during that time, and they made a big mistake in calculating that. Okay, I hope I told some of them I told chefs, Hassan and others to correct that. I don't know whether they have corrected that or not but a few months ago, and today as I said, it is made may 2017 A few months ago, they did the formula the wrong calculation during the person's toilet is still existed. Okay. That is the last
point I would like to say Zachman Lau Hara Baraka Lo Fi calm, may Allah Allah Allah accepted from all of us and may Allah Allah Allah accept our fasting. Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah has
done. One question. One important question.
In the household
Yeah, if your parents follow one and you follow the other one, don't make a big issue fast according to this correct one. And explain to your parents if they do not accept it, colors.
Yeah. You want to fight with your parents and
stuff.
The young Shabaab they are waiting for. Okay, what if there is any opportunity to have
a fight? Sir? Baraka Luffy from Dhaka law hell