Moon Sighting Clarification
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hamdulillahi Rabbil alameen wa salatu salam
ala nabina, Muhammad Ali,
I will try to clarify some misconceptions about the issue of moon sighting.
And maybe many brothers and sisters in the West have so many questions about the issue of moon sighting and how to
announce the beginning of the month of Ramadan and how to announce the end of month of Ramadan, as well as how to announce or when to announce the day of sacrifice, they have a ton of help, as well as the day of a dad.
And brothers, I think there are many misconceptions that have been going around since a long time, especially in the West, especially in the UK. And because of these misconceptions, and because of many things are going on, I would like to clarify certain points about this important issue. And I hope I will clarify certain issues that have not been clarified by other people before. And I will try to avoid what has been said by those who support any of the views. Rather, I would like to clarify issues that both parties have missed, and especially those people who support the the calculation, or those who always support the view that says that we need to have our moon sighting
our own moon sighting, which is which is based on calculation. In the beginning, I'd like to clarify very important issues before getting into the details of this discussion. Two things those people who are talking about these issues. They are one of two, one of two people. One of them is a very sensitive person. And he would like to have this issue of moon sighting and the announcement of Ramadan correctly. And he is worried about the fact that we may trust in the wrong day.
This is the first person and we don't doubt their sincerity. The second person among those who spoke speak about this issue of moon sighting. He is our He is someone who has an agenda behind it. And this agenda, let me speak clearly about it. The agenda being is that the only country or maybe the very famous candidate to speak about moon sighting these days and support vidual Moon sighting in Saudi Arabia. And they, those people who are talking about moon citing from this angle, and they mentioned Saudi Arabia, they have agenda against Saudi Arabia. And again, it's the ideology of Saudi Arabia and against the Salafi
ideology of Saudi Arabia, as well as so called Wahhabi ideology of Saudi Arabia. And in order to attack this ideology, they start bringing this
this agenda of moon sighting and attacking the way Saudi Arabia look at this issue of moon sighting, and therefore they can attack Saudi Arabia from other angles as well, which ultimately means attacking the Salafi ideology or what so called the Wahhabi ideology. So we have to be careful. So I plead to those brothers who want to speak about this issue of moon sighting and from a sincere point of view, and they don't share with those people this agenda to be careful of this agenda and to be careful of the consequence of what they say because I think it is a dangerous issue. Now even in Saudi Arabia, there is a lot of discussion about this issue of moon sighting and some of the people
who are attacking this so called the classical moon sighting vidual Moon sighting, they are also attacking it from a liberal point of view, they are supporting liberalism and secularism in Saudi Arabia and they are not happy with the some some religious activities that take place in Saudi Arabia and they wish to
Saudi Arabia as a complete secular country, they want to attack the judicial system. And so the Arabian, they want to attack what is left in Saudi Arabia in terms of Islamic activities and implementation of Islam. That's why they would like to bring this agenda forward. So, we have to be careful all the brothers and sisters talking about the issue, they have to be very careful about this agenda. This is something very important. So now, let us get into the technicalities of this issue, the issue of mu chanting announcement of the month of Ramadan.
It is classically known that there are two methods to announce the month of Ramadan, the first method is the moon sighting.
And the second method is completing chabanne 30 days the completion of shutdown 30 days and there are numerous addenda to prove these two methods. The first method that I had is in a hurricane, Irma and Harvey Herrera etc, etc. After labor at
a contraction compact Mula Bandha. Athena Yama first, when you see the moon, break your fast or seize your fast when you see the new moon. And if you can't see the moon due to cloud or due to dust or other
other factors then complete the count of shutdown 30 days the second criteria is the completion of shutdown
30 days means if it is difficult to site, the moon,
then what do we do then we complete chabanne 30 days. This is the second criteria. Now, what do we consider calculation in general, or astronomical science in general as a criteria to cite the moon or 30 as a criteria to start the month of Ramadan and to end the month of Ramadan? This is a question. And here we want to clarify an important issue regarding this calculation. First of all, from a secular point of view, astronomical calculation and astronomical science or low Islam acknowledge that there is science called astronomy and Islam doesn't say any negative thing about it if it used in the right place. However, the issue of moon sighting is something totally different
from the issue of astronomy and astronomy called science. It is totally different. I would like to clarify this point and I would like people to understand this point.
We are talking about two different domains. The first domain is the
natural moon sighting by the natural
and the consequences of that. The other issue is the calculation of the moon sighting or calculation that help you to know whether the moon sighting is correct or not. These are totally different issues. The first the first issue which is the moon sighting that we'll hear the effective cause and the issue of announcing the start of the month of Ramadan and announcing the end of Ramadan is totally different from the reality of the new month of Ramadan. And this may look strange for some people.
We are not fasting according to the moon that represents Ramadan astronomically
we are fasting a month which may coincide with that actual month and may not this is something that all the people have to understand and many people who are talking about the issue of moon sighting misunderstood and they are missing the point.
If we say that we are fasting the real monks then yes, we may consider the issue of astronomical astronomy and the calculation etc. But we are talking about two different domains. So
no link between both now
Question is, many people will ask, What is your proof that what you are saying is that you have two months, Russia a month and the astronomical month. So, as we have two types of months, a month, as well as the happier the month, because even in Nova RBM like a Salah linguistically means something Shabbat it means something else. So, there might be a link between both but not necessarily the shell a meaning is exactly as the
linguistic meaning here is the same thing the shovel a month is not necessarily the same as the real month very astronomical month, the people will ask what is the proof?
How do you prove that we can profit by the following? First of all,
the Hadith similar to after a little at
first, when you see the month endure first when you see the new month? And if you can't see it because of cloud because of just because of other natural factors, then what do you do complete the count of chabanne 30 days while in reality, the month the real month of Ramadan may have started yesterday.
I hope that is clear, yet visionary and did not bother about the real month of Ramadan. The sorry about that about something else. The effective course in the beginning effective course in the announcement of the start of the month of Ramadan is totally different from the effective course of announcing the real astronomical month.
This is one thing. The other thing is that when the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam during that time,
he said to the people tomorrow afternoon at in one case, they've been around the Allahu taala and who say Tara unnaturally Hillel, Allah Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. Burnaby sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and need
to focus Paula, permeable, then Venus and yasumasa
and the other hand is when they the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
asked people to sign the moon and then a Bedouin came.
And he told the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam that he cited the moon,
and that between even the prophets I send them didn't know him. The Prophet sallallahu wasallam asked him a Tisha de la ilaha illAllah Acacia De Niro sudwala. He said, Yes, when he announced the month
is let me ask you a question. Is there any possibility that this vidual
made a mistake, there is a high possibility that this bedwin made a mistake, there is a high possibility that this between confused or was confused about Pluto, as they say, these days and the new moon.
When we tell this to people, they immediately they respond that bit when we know between New astronomical
phenomena. And they know these natural things and they know the sky moons and stars, etc.
This, we know that. So we asked them, if we come up with a conclusion. Do you agree that if a Beduin came, who knew about these issues, these stars moon etc? Are you going to accept his witnesses his testimony?
If you claim that this was the case of the between that time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. So there is a high possibility that this bidwill made a mistake. But we tell people if you come up with a conclusion that those Beduin and so the idea that you always accuse them, they know about the astronomy and about the stars, etc. Would you still accept their testimony? They will say no, because what because astronomical facts are against their sighting. So don't say when we tell you that even Omar may made a mistake and or the other between me made a mistake. Don't say that. Yeah, those Beduin. They knew about the moon sighting and they will not be confused about moon and
Pluto or other stars. Don't say this. Say it clearly that we don't accept that unless astronomy Calafat approve that
Moon can be visible. So the issue is Debian or the other bedwin may have done a mistake is still with that possibility there, even if they knew about astronomy and
stars etc. They may have done a mistake, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam
guided us to follow that, and the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam announced the month based on this. So, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is teaching us to accept that as a premises for his time and for any time after his time, the Prophet sallallahu wasallam could have indicated in that Hadith that yes, if we double check, or if we, we need to double check, or we need to have other facts to support your testimony. No, the Prophet sallallahu Sallam did not say this. Now, some people say that the Prophet sallallahu wasallam at that time there were no astronomy calls etc. No who said so, there were astronomical since a long time ago this is not even the Arabs they are known
to have this astronomical calculation etc. And this is one thing the other thing brothers and sisters, we have to be careful not everything when it comes to us these days, and we say yes, we don't do it these days as it has been done before because these days are different from before and before they did not have this knowledge etc, we say that this is very, very dangerous, and we have two extremes in this one extreme that does not accept any changes in the original textual evidence is or the interpretation of the textual evidence, no room for any interpretation or for new implementation. And on the other hand, the other extreme that almost a Polish all the textual
evidence is because of what because of the new context that we are living in both of them and forget about the first extreme let us talk about the second extreme, if we say for example, brothers, that we make over to clean our limbs, but these days our limbs are clean at that time people used to work in farms and they used to work in the desert etc etc. So their limbs get dirty easily, but these days is hardly people get their limbs dirty as such. So, maybe it is enough to have one model and that's it. Everyone will disagree with this analogy everyone they will say no, this is a matter of a bad day is different. No, it is not a matter of only a bad day it is not a matter of Google is
different, it is a matter of what is the effective cause for making good if the effective cost of making good or if there are a lot of making good something that we knew and we can build on then we can change accordingly same thing, but if brodo
is not based on a lack on a certain Illa that we know and that Allah is changing then we cannot to change although same thing here if the moon sighting and depending on visual and natural moon sighting is dependent on that we know then and that a law changes then we can change the nature of moon sighting, if it is taken as such and there is no effective cause there is not a law behind it then we cannot to change it. So what is the effective cause in the issue of announcing the month of Ramadan and once what is the effective course in announcing the end of Ramadan. The effective course is not very relative of the month as we said but it is something else. Something else which takes us
to the issue of Russia a moon and the not the real month. This is another thing that proves that we are looking for a month that is different from the real month the real astronomical month.
The third proof is
the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam says in Hadith tirmidhi
quality MIDI wish I hadn't had it
earlier and so my manager made it necessary for me him will fit on my agenda.
the province of Alberta sentiment this editor is saying fast or the fast is when you own fast and ending the fast is when you all in your fast and the day of sacrifice is when you own sacrifice. Timothy explaining this, he said that most of the people of knowledge
act according to this hadith means no one should fast separately, we should fast when most of the people fast and break stop the fast when all of the people stopped fasting. Now,
brothers and sisters with us reflect upon this
fast when you all fast,
irrespective whether most of the people fast according to the moon citing to according to calculation, according to the shadow moon according to the other moon, according to wrong moon sighting or according to correct moon sighting, irrespective of that, if the halifa of the Muslims announced the moon sighting, and Muslims start too fast, or follow that eventually or
solid that then you fast with them. And the month of Ramadan for you listen to this brothers, the month of Ramadan for you is that month, even in reality, the month of Ramadan has not started.
Okay. And no disagreement among the scholars about this particular point how to prove that there is no disagreement? Have you? I'm asking and I asked all the brothers who speak about this issue? Have you come across any scholar
anywhere in the books, who said that Muslims in one city or in one country, half of them can fast on one day, and the other half can fast on the other day. None of the scholars said this.
They said Muslims, either globally or in your country, they should fast in one day,
especially in your town in your country. They should fast and one day it is not allowed by by any mean that half of them fast in one day and the other half fast on another day. And this is not a matter of disagreement between Muslims and this is a matter of we need to tolerate that. No, not because of the issue of unity. The issue of unity is a factor. Yes, no, but because of the issue of this hadith.
And moreover, brothers, moreover, brothers and sisters, they say if, for example, Danny Mohammed cited the moon and he went to the halifa. And he said to the halifa that I cited the moon and the halifa rejected his testimony.
And he said no tomorrow is
shebang is not Ramadan is not the first day of Ramadan.
What will happen?
They said Muslims should follow the opinion of Khalifa they should follow the opinion of the phenomenal Muslim.
And moreover, about Mohammed who cited the man himself. What do they say about him?
They say either he fast, secretly
or he will he should fast with Muslims.
None of this class as far as I remember. He said that if he
if he breaks his fast tomorrow, if he doesn't fast tomorrow, because he decided to go with the Muslims. He will be sinful because he went against his own moon citing the one he himself have seen. None of the scholars Maybe yes, maybe you can find one or two scholars, but majority of scholars, either they said he will follow the majority or if he wants to fast he should fast secretly. What does that mean? means that if he fought with Muslims, his fasting is true. So how come we can say that his fasting is valid, while the real astronomical month for him is not what he is following. He is following a different month which is the shadow a month
which means that there is a difference between the shadow a month from one hand and the astronomical month
The criteria we are talking about two different domains from one side the salary, this is a totally different domain and from the other side, the real astronomical month.
This we have to understand this point, someone might say, in reality in Sharia Is there any difference between the real showery ruling and the shadow ruling and the real ruling race there are so many examples, because they Sherry, I sometimes look to other factors, other effective factors other than scientific factors, and we have to understand this reality of brothers and sisters. How let me give you an example the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said Allah do need to wash
the child belongs or is attributed to the woodblock
the adulterer, he deserve hedger, either he deserved nothing or means the other interpretation, he deserved stoning. The lineage of the wallet is not of the child is not dependent on the biological factors. It is not related to biology, it is related to another meaning another factor, which is that this boy was born in this wedlock. Irrespective of his biological father, his father will be the husband of that wedlock will not be the biological father.
it's up and married couples.
They had a child,
and then the father or the husband passed away.
And this this child,
this child, he will inherit because he is the son of both husband and wife.
It's the other children of those husband and wife. They said to their mother, he should not inherit it from our father because he is coming from Xena. He's coming from adultery, we don't agree that he is our brother.
So what do we do in this case? Now scientifically, we have hundreds of ways to prove whether he is the biological brother of these brothers, okay, have these boys and girls or not?
And imagine if they could, those boys and gals if they could take some of his saliva and they took it to the laboratory. And the laboratory confirmed that by dna by analyzing the DNA, that he is not your biological brother, no single doubt about it. As you know, now DNA they said
no to D and H can can match each other except within maybe 1 trillion people etc, something like this. So it is impossible that DNA makes a mistake from this angle. So in this case, those two those brothers and sisters, what do they consider their
this person who is confirmed according to science, and scientific facts and DNA, that he is not their brother, their biological brother,
can they go to the court and they say he should not inherit he should not share the assets. He we should not call him our brother, he should not take our father's name.
by consensus, no, this by consensus. All scholars said no DNA will not be accepted.
Even now in this management,
Academy in Jeddah that have representative hubs of scholars from all over the world. I have seen their conclusion and they said no.
Why? He is not the biological brother. What does that mean? He will still have the right to inherit and maybe a very big chair. And still he has the right in the lineage.
And he has the right to call himself as the son of that person and the son of that
Ladies, now even brothers and sisters, be careful. His mother, for example, if she admits that she committed committed adultery, and this boy is not the boy from her shadow a husband from her husband, he came from adultery from Xena.
Still, her testimony will not accept it and this boy will be considered the son of the that of her husband and he will have the right in sharing the assets
Subhanallah How come? How come? Are we negating the scientific facts? Many people when we tell them about this issue of moon sighting and that we are talking about different domains, people listen to this, we are talking about different domain don't get it don't get the issue of astronomy into it. We are talking about two different domains. When they say no Islam is again it's science, we should show non Muslims that we are respecting science and Islam is in tandem with science and all of these things, no, this has nothing to do with that, we have different Islam has his own views as his own reasons
for going for this direction.
Now, let us take this issue of this issue of adultery again,
what is the only case when this
will have no share in the inheritance assets and the assets and he will not have the leverage.
The only case is when the the an takes place cursing takes place, if Leon properly takes place, where the husband there are mentioned in Surah cursing mentioned in sort of a note when the husband Danny does the cursing and the wife does the cursing and that is completed then we call this boy or this child the son of his mother and he doesn't take that lineage. So, and the issue of moon citing the effective cause brothers and sisters is something different is something different from the real moon the real astronomical moon, sometimes it might match it sometimes it might not. So, once we understood what we have said about the shuttle a moon and the real moon. This means that if there is
a mistake in a mistake in the real moon however, we accepted that, then that is the shadow a mood and according to Sherry, we are not making a mistake or low that is a mistake and the real astronomical issue, I hope that is clear.
So, we should not say we should not be that much reluctant when this something happened. Now, if that thing happened, when we should be confident that the shoulder a moon is our month and we are fasting according to that and our fasting is valid no one can say that it is invalid This is the main difference. So, if they say but we have to make sure that the shovel a moon is real no it is real as it is accepted once it is accepted is this real shovel.
Now they say let us verify maybe there is a mistake, no need. Even if we verify brothers and sisters even if we verify that there is a mistake, that mistake is not considered here. As remember the case of the DNA. If there is a mistake, and the issue of the DNA and the biological father, that is not considered what is considered is something else.
And that's why as we said the Prophet sallallahu Sallam said a song will matter soon will fit through the rune. Now, this hadith brothers and sisters Be careful it supersedes all other Hadith in this issue. What does that mean?
It supersedes so Moliro 8080 it supersedes for a normal a contract can be lower than telethia nyama means the first criteria is a software matters woman when all Muslims fast. When you fast with them, this is the best the highest criteria. A song will matter soon. This is the Hadith the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is addressing it
People lay people
so narrow yet he will after all, at the Prophet sallallahu Sallam is addressing the people in charge the leaders and you as a lay person, you should follow the people in charge the people in charge they have to take care of some little Yeti or after a little at. So, you as a lay person, if it is announced that the moon the the month of Ramadan is starting tomorrow, you have no if it is announced by the halifa or Muslims in the absence of alpha Muslims, the majority of Muslims take the role of the halifa if it is
decided that tomorrow is Ramadan, when you go for that, well what about tomorrow at I haven't tested them on myself, no for you This is what is applicable or somewhere Matsumoto. Now, for the people in charge either of the people of knowledge or the leader of the Muslims sooner or at or after or at what is the demand for this differentiation that is what we said none of the forecast said that you can trust alone and you can make eat alone. Now, they said you will fast with the people even if you your own moon sighting is different from the people and this is as I told you, it is almost consensus what So, what is the Hadith similarity, this leader has to do that. Now this is some
people may say so,
are there anything like this in Korea? There are many things actually countless are headed for example, was said or Sarika to facto idea
the one who steal cookies and who will cut his hand Do you
know, it is the leader of the Muslims who will cut his hand.
And if the leader does not do it, are you going to do it? No. It is not my job. It is true that the leader is sinful, but I am not sinful. I have to enjoin the good and for evil and advise him to implement sha Allah, Allah Allah, but I'm not sinful. So what about this statement was said it was added to our idea Hama, Allah, Allah, Allah is not addressing you as an individual, and that many people addressing the issue of moon sighting are missing this point. So moon sighting, and all of this fuss about moon sighting, we should talk to the people in charge of it. And if and if they decided on something, we have no choice but to follow them. Even if we come to a conclusion,
definite conclusion that astronomy Kelly, this, this moon sighting is wrong. And however it was accepted by Muslims, then this is the true month, even astronomy Kelly it was proven in contrary of that, just remember the case of this Hadith, the biological father and the father.
As if we asked if there are two fathers, same thing here, as if there are two months, the shadow a month and the astronomical month. Once we understand that, then it will be understood and it will be clarified. So here brothers if they say, now there is this moon sighting and but
in terms of astronomy, most likely it is wrong. We don't care even if we come let us imagine, even if we come to a conclusion that according to astronomy, it is impossible
to cite the moon, all astronomers came to that conclusion then that does not affect Russia once
it is accepted to fast on that day.
And there might be there is a possibility that this day is the start of the month I mean that we are not starting by the end by the middle of Shabbat. No, we are starting at the end of Shabbat either 29th or 30th of shaba when that month is the shovel a month. So this means that we don't need once the moon sighting is established. And
one or two witnesses according to the disagreements between the scholars testified that they have cited them and that was accepted. And then Muslims or the leader of Muslims accepted that
Need, this is the point no need to go to astronomy, and to verify that at all, even if they verified it, it has no value. Besides the shadow matter,
same thing, it has no value to verify. Without this brother, this boy is the biological son or not, it will have no value. And that's why even some scholars say, it is good not to verify that the issue of biological father, it is good not to verify it. Why? Why? Because it will have no consequence, the father died, so there will be no cursing. So whatever you do, this boy or this daughter, this child will belong to that Father, and He will have all the rights, whatever you do, since the father passed away, and there will no possibility there will be no possibility for this cursing, then that's it, the matter is finished. So it is better not to go and not to check about
DNA because this will have was worse. No, he is not our biological Brother, what do we do? And then you will shut him off, and you will keep him away, etc? Same thing, what is happening with moon sighting? When did this problem start to happen? Just recently, why? Because those astronomy will start to say, No, there is a mistake and these between, they do not know anything about that. And then more people are being confused, more people are being confused, that has nothing to do with the matter. So that's why no need to go for that. And then the brothers and the authors and those who wrote about moon sighting, they write big books about
visibility of moon. And they write even
historical facts about
about visibility of moon and the true moon. And they have timetables that go back even to the time of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam. I have seen some books that this book written in order and he brought all the dates No need no need with all respect to those people, no need for that. And then they talk about projection and that the moon is birth after few seconds of this conjunction and the moon is visible after 15 hours. But according by by TELUS COVID can be visible after 12 hours or so. And they get into these discussions. And in Saudi Arabia, the situation is this and that no need no need is, with all due respect to those people is just a waste of time. Now, a question
what do we do? This is a very important question. What do we do? What do we go from here? And what is the criteria? What shall we do? Brothers and Sisters everywhere? Just simply assume we all met assuming Well,
that's it that oversees that over supersedes any other Howdy. If you go to a country, in China or in Alaska or in America or in Saudi Arabia,
if the people in that country decided to fast on one day go for that even if you internally believe that their decision is wrong.
That is if you follow them that is your month, that is your Ramadan and that is salmon shahida monkey
that is the explanation of salmon che Domingo Mashallah totally awesome, whoever witnessed the month, how do you witness the month, as I told you,
if a song we overtone Yamato sama now, this brings another issue, which is now if we say if we say that
Muslims all over the world have their own decision and Muslims in my country. Now, let us discuss that step by step. First of all, let us imagine the ideal situation where there is the Islamic philosopher
is dominant in most of the world, which is the ideal situation.
so, what do we do? We should go for the opinion of the hollyford the decision of the halifa No one is allowed to go against his decision.
Even if they cited the moon even if they according to calculation, they came to a conclusion that it is not right etc.
We should go for the opinion of the halifa
which is binding upon us. Now, if the other situation if there is a Hilah Islamia and this dilemma Islamia is dominant in the Muslim world, and you belong to the Muslim world, then you are not allowed to go against the decision of the senator.
If there is not enough there are countries that like those countries, and no country or entity, although we are Yeah, we don't say that this is something legitimate to have these countries separate countries. However, this is not our issue now. But your country now said that decided something then you have to go for your country because a salmo matters hormone for your people around you. You can you cannot go against the people in your country, you cannot celebrate alone, you cannot start your month of Ramadan alone. That's it.
Now imagine that there is no Muslim country or there is no single authority, like the situation of Britain, like the situation of many European countries, America, etc. What do we do? This is the question.
What are the possibilities, brothers, the possibilities that people are putting, first of all, to have our own moon sighting. And people think that this is the best scenario, though that our to go for our own moon sighting, or to go for the first moon sighting in the world. This is the second scenario or to go for the nearest Muslim country. So the need is Muslim country, some people say it is Morocco to go for their moon sighting. And the third possibility is to go for the moon sighting that took place in
Saudi Arabia, because Mecca is there and this is the Qibla for Muslims. So we go for that.
So what is the correct
opinion among all these opinions, with all due respect to those brothers, and those of us who hold these opinions, none of them is correct. So what is the correct opinion the correct opinion is a summary
term at which all scholars agreed upon a summary
of their own.
If your country, for example, if in Germany or even imagine in Holland, they decided Muslims, they decided to go for Morocco because maybe a big community or big Muslim community is from Morocco, they decided to go for Morocco and most Muslims accepted that. Go for that. And that for you is the Shabbat a month. Allah, Allah Allah will not take you to account if you go with them, but our deliver Allah will hold you accountable if you go against that.
If they decide to go for their own moon sighting, and most of the people accepted that go for that,
if they decided to follow Mecca, go for that, if they decided to follow Pakistan go for that a song will matter soon.
tell me they say the people of knowledge decided that the person should fast with the majority of Muslims.
So this is the case, when we say there is not enough to decide something and there is no immediate meaning to decide something will go into country see what are the majority of Muslims doing? What is the majority of Muslims doing? Do it and go for it? This is a decision as simple as that. Why? Because of the habit that we mentioned. Not because of unity only? No, no, no, the only unity here is not the criteria, the criteria is a soul will matter so much. And it is not. As we said the fuqaha the scholars never said if you believe in contrary to what leaders believe. Then go for your opinion. None of them say that. So we will see. We will find
a mosque here fasting on this day. The mosque there first thing on the other day, and as it happened here, two years ago in Manchester in one family, they contacted me some people are celebrating on one day and the
Father and Mother, they were fasting.
And now this is impossible. None of the scholars agreed on this, none of the scholars said that.
So this is my advice. And this is not just my own, he had
none of the scholars can go against this he had against this opinion, and I have discussed it with so many people. And I told them before we go into conjunction and all of these things, just let me clarify one thing, is it allowed for Muslims, for example, in London,
that to split into two parts, one fasting on this day, and the other fasting good the other day, just tell me this. And that's why I advise all the brothers before getting into the disk, this discussion, ask those who talk about it.
Is it allowed that we divide into two opinions?
One, Muslims establish a day on this day, and the other Muslims in the same city to establish it on the other day? If he says yes, then he doesn't know anything in Islam.
As blatant as that if he said this, through your local Masjid, okay. And the other one to follow his local Masjid, where we will end up with some of the Muslims
establishing aid on this day, and the other Muslims are establishing aid on the other day, and this is legitimate. If someone says this, then he is going against God and he doesn't know anything in Sharia.
So what to do? Go with the majority of Muslims.
This is the conclusion now.
And that's why brothers, as I told you, before we write books, any now there are books, we have seen books, really big books written about Saudi Arabia, about conjunction about the visibility about there might be mistakes, etc, etc. No need for that. And people are confused and leuprolide are valuable information here, etc, etc. No need for that at all. By the question here the question that many people will forward is
if we go to a country, and we don't know what is the majority,
then the brothers if you don't know the majority, try to figure out the majority try your best if you came to a conclusion that most of the Muslims are doing this, then go for that.
As simple as that, if you are confused, if you are confused, you are confused, then then join the locality around you if you are confused, but in many cases we are not confused.
Now many people here they will say that what is the cetera what is the factor for example in the UK and what do we do in the UK? We are as I said we do first when most of the Muslims first and that's why brothers it is not now who is the real Mufti who is the real influential hear
the real influencer here is
not to be not any Mufti. It is the media. Now most of the people what do they do? They open the TV and they see that maca is fasting tomorrow. When and they are praying Tara we have today they are spiritually attached to that and they will follow that. On the other hand, every time they will see that Makkah stopped praying taraweeh so they will just follow that. And if you remember, in one of three, three years ago, and one of the massages I don't want to mention the name of the masjid. They said, No, tomorrow is Ramadan. And we want to pray turabian while most of the massage around them, announced eight and people knew that in Mecca is read and people making takbeer Allahu Akbar and
there is no more karaya the Imam started tarawih prayer and just the three people joined him or three four people joined him. And there was discussion No, no, no, we want to pray through a chakra. What did the committee of the masjid do? And we witness that and we know that they entered and they have a meeting there and then they said yes, tomorrow is a colossal is that joke? This is not a joke. So why to start at like this house if most Muslims accepted that just accepted Alhamdulillah
now most Muslims in the UK
They just go spiritually for Mecca, they don't have this discussion about conjunction, they don't have my discussion. Even they don't know about it, they just opened the TV. And they see Mecca announcing it, they just go for that Makkah starting Ramadan, they just go for that. And that is that is the real Mufti. We cannot go against that. And even in many years, brothers, it happened that many imams gather together and they had a meeting and they decided to go for something. And when they went to their Messiah did all of them or most of them, they went back to the same decision just to go for the central mosque, which is going for Mecca, right, they cannot resist, they could
not resist. So all of this discussion that is going on in the UK now.
One citing mistakes, etc. All these all of this discussion will bring back to square one
where we will have disputes again, we will have so many disagreements again. And it's still whether we as the collaborators, or CEO or people in charge decide something or not decide the real one to decide, is that the TV, people spiritually attached to Makkah, not in this country, but in so many countries. I was in India, even some Muslim candidates, and they said, Hello, we just gave up and we are just following back. And that's it. That is our a table hamdulillah forget about Algeria, but don't be
sort of agitated when you hear Saudi Arabia doing new areas, these wahabis are taking over. Don't be agitated. It's not a matter of Wahhabism, it's not gonna matter of Salafism or whatever. Muslims, spiritually, they are attached to Mecca, they have taken that as their own criteria. And they are following that. Just follow that as simple as that. And this is a shovel a matter. And the last thing here, brothers and sisters that I would like to mention, is the issue of
Saudi Arabia. Have, they are doing so many mistakes? First of all, I don't want to discuss Saudi Arabia. It has nothing to do with us.
And people are saying no, we are following Saudi Arabia and why are we following Saudi Arabia, we are not following Saudi Arabia.
We are not following Saudi Arabia. We are following the majority of Muslims and the majority of Muslims is spiritually attached to Mecca. So once it is announced it Mecca which people say that it is Saudi Arabia, whatever they say, people are fasting. And that's why I one time I had a program with the brothers in victim TV and victim TV is watched by the Pakistani community. I told the people there and some of them were very supportive for this issue of calculation and
astronomy etc. I told them, let us agree on something here. And don't worry about Regent Park I am I will take care of it. But let us agree on something The problem is that we don't agree on something we don't agree on something if we go to the previous scenarios, no no no people will say no, no, no no no we have to have our own moon sighting. This is the sun and let us apply this and I went to this moon sighting meetings. The first thing that they mentioned is look brothers according to the
astronomy Moon is not visible this day and it will be visible here. So which means that the first day of Ramadan is here this is the moon sighting committees what they are doing and so that they will be the month of Ramadan otherwise, imagine how this moon sighting committees are announcing Ramadan before to three days beforehand. It is impossible. Once I think if you want to apply the sooner is to go and visibly you see the moon. Now if that is not possible, then complete the count of Siobhan 30 days mellifluous colors and there is a smell on this and those people who caught it ajumma just saw Scott
taming your cottage not even headquartered Mr. souki cottage that we don't go for calculation, either visible natural moon sighting or completing chabanne 30 days. So, what will happen is when we open this issue again, when we went back to square one, people will say no no no no, this is not the sooner the sooner is to go and to visible the moon by yourself. And then they say it is not visible because of the cloud etc here in London etc. So what do we do now? Let us go to the nearest Islamic country. Then we go back to square one. After all of these discussions, this is something real
The nonsense brothers nonsense. And because some people they have their own agenda against Saudi Arabia. Again, it's Salafism. Again, it's wahabism they are promoting this. And some of them I agree with sincerity they are doing this, but we have to be careful. There is no solution, colossal hamdulillah the solution is most of the people who spiritually are attached to Mecca, and they have accepted this. And here in this I myself, follow this matter number of years in the UK, and at least at least 60% of Muslims go for the decision of Makkah, then that is the majority, no one can say no 60% going against Mecca, because most of the people in London going for Mecca. Most of this is most
of the people in London, and then many other cities are going for following the Regent Park decision.
And if we consider 5050 in Manchester, if we consider 5050 in Birmingham, if we consider 5050, in Leicester, if you add it all together, and you consider that and you put your remember the fact that half of the Muslims living in London, and most of them are going for that decision, when you will come up with a definite conclusion that 60% of Muslims in Britain are going for Mecca. So just go for that, slowly, slowly, this will build up and more Muslims will be following that opinion. And that What should we do? And this is what should other Muslims in some other non Muslim countries in some other European countries do go for the decision of most of Muslim in your country. I hope by
clarifying these issues that I have clarified these misconceptions about the issue of moon sighting, and about the issue of announcing the month of Ramadan, and announcing the end of Ramadan. And as I told you,
we have to be careful, especially to those brothers who are who are speaking sincerely about these issues. They have to be careful about that agenda behind
some of these talks by some of those, either scholars or astronomers or those who speak about this issue, and I hope inshallah we can reach to a definite decision by all of the Muslims who will be following one decision in this country. According to Adam Cole, was the hero Mahalia, welcoming column festival for sallallahu wasallam about