The Path to Muslim Unity

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Abdullah al Andalusi

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Ahl-ul Sunnah speaker, Abdullah, addresses the call for Unity between all Muslims.

The Islamic Seminar ‘Imam Jafar ul Sadeq and the Cause for Unity’, was kindly hosted by Hyderi Masjid (London) on the 25th October 2012 on the anniversary of the death of Imam Jafar ul Sadeq (ra) – the intellectual founder of all Islamic Schools of thought.

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I'd like to introduce chef Abdullah Al and the Lucien,

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very close friend of mine.

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And I'll give you a profile from the written paper and also what I feel we can benefit tonight before handing over to him.

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Chef was born in 1981 of a mixed Portuguese and Algerian background. He studied Islam in depth since the age of 18. And has worked and studied extensively and the quest for an Islamic revival. He follows the school of thought of Mr. Malik, the Maliki school and the VEDA is ashari via mama joining activities in the Dow for Islam involved speakout community centers, universities colleges, he also was seen regularly in many Muslim Dawa initiatives. Okay, other activities, including producing our films and programs as part of an independent film initiative called TIFF Kia productions. The title of the talk today is Mr. Masada on the course for unity. We're honored to

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have the share with us the reason I invited him to come towards our community and we invited him with the committee was because of the fact that I know how much he has campaigned and campaigned to try and make people understand the importance of the School of Mr. Masada as well as all the other students who studied under him. There aren't many people in the world who actively do this. And it's a shame, but he is one of the people who does this. And at a young age, he has achieved a lot of success. And at the same time, he has seen people who have opposed his mission from within the same school as him. So he's going to give us his experience also some of his knowledge, his experience,

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I'm sure he'll give us more and when we open question and answer session with him, and that's inshallah so what we're going to be looking to do today after his talk, to open a question answer session, so we see from a different angle, how maybe we are perceived as a school, and we also ask him about how he sees the future of the oma with the many different sects within the oma that there are today. So if we can welcome him with the loud Salawat

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this middle Bismillahirrahmanirrahim at hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen wa salatu wa salam ala via Karim Mohammad, Ali

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Salim

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someone like

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my brothers and sisters in Islam.

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Firstly, I'd like to say I'm very honored to be invited to speak today on the auspicious occasion of the anniversary of the death of Mr. Joffe, Rosada.

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I'd like to thank the organizers, and actually for inviting me to be able to continue admission which me and many others like me, from amongst the my community and amongst the people above us from from Arizona, want to be able to reach out to all Muslim Brothers around the world, and address them as our brothers. And we affirm that we are all one on Maui, ohmmeter wahida. And despite the many problems that we face, in the world today, the political problems and the sectarian problems initiated by a few and they always initiated by a few. Our aim. And our focus most of the time is amongst our own brothers, the people from the other four schools of thought, primarily because in

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this day and age, a lot of the Muslim world or the Muslim world, whichever school of thought you're from, is suffering from this disease of ignorance. We've grown complacent over these many centuries, and allowed our states to regress into one whereby the people of nations the world view us as uncivilized. But the situation is that we were an oma, which defined civilization in an whole new meaning, which was unseen or unparalleled before and despite the issues which occurred in our history. The West itself a scientist in the West, which I'm about to talk, still look towards the the origins of the current science they possess the very inventors, such as the person who invented

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algebra, and the person which invented chemistry in modern medicine and saw all the modern universities

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itself.

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So brothers Well, I'd like to draw your attention to is not just the memory of Mr. Joffe facade.

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But the relevance of his example today. imaam Java sodic is not just a revered chef only revered imaam within the Joffrey school of thought, he is a revered a mom and and high ranking scholar within all schools of thought, because if you go back in history, and you trace back knowledge, and fifth, it will all go to one point on the fact on the history, the tree of history, one point, at the end, you can trace all back to the mom jar for Southern Oregon home.

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The founder of my school of thought, Mr. Molina and as

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he studied under Mr. Java sadhak. And what he learned, what he learned, defined the rest of his career. It changed everything of how he viewed fifth and Islam. And despite the fact that he might have had a difference of opinion with Mr. Joffe of solid later on in life, as some students are wanting to do with their teachers, some way with students, they have their own opinions and independent minds. And they have difference of opinion, even though the Maliki's remember with great nostalgia, the time where Mr. Malik was learning under the job of solid and the great contribution to knowledge and fear and unity that Mr. Joffe ursolic gave the Muslim oma. In fact,

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the example which examples of images, which I would like to highlight, I'm not I'm gonna give them not just from Sunni sources, but from sources which Sunni and Shia all agree on. Because I hope that if we proceed from where the Sunni and Shia are united over the example, the mom Java saw that then by the example of mom, Java saw that let the Sunni Shia be united.

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Firstly,

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I'm going to start with trying to break down a lot of misconceptions.

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It is indeed true that among Java sodic, his memory, his achievements, his work is greatly neglected by all Muslims. And I'll be the first to admit that many people of my school or although the other three schools of thought in the Arizona are next next ignorant to an understanding or knowing anything of imaam, Java sadhak. And the most the people who have some knowledge, just know he's the teacher, he was he was a teacher at some point in time of Abu hanifa or Mr. Malik. But they do not know what was their discussion. What was how did they Converse? What was the lesson they learned? What did they gain from him? I'm Jeff Rosada. And indeed, we don't know much about his life. And

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what did he do as as people from my school of thought, coming from around the Muslim world, unfortunately, and there is a great lesson to be learned in this. But not just for Shia and not just for Sonia, but also for all Muslims, and indeed all mankind.

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I'd like to basically mentioned in the ration from the Sunni scholars, classical Sunni scholars,

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even harder as Kalani said of Mr. Joffe, saavik that he was among the most honest of jurisprudence he'd ever seen.

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Kamala Dean Mohammed bin Taka Shafi lead of the Shafi school of thought, said Java bin Mohammed is among the Sadat and the jurisprudence of the debate. He is a perpetual worshiper, and recite of the Holy Quran and pre perceives profound meanings of the book, his face reminds one of the hereafter. His words teaches one piety in this world and following his commands would take one to heaven.

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The light in his face depicts the kinship to the Rasulullah saw solemn and honesty in his deeds attest to his relationship to the Prophet's household.

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A lot of narration by Mr. Malik,

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I spent a very long time serving him referring to mom Java solid, and I always found him in one of three bottles, either he was in the malls, or he was engrossed in recitation of Quran or he would be fasting

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and as is famously known with Abu hanifa his comments

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Have famously known about Mr. Joffe was solid, he said, if it had not been for him jofra sadhak. Newman, Frank himself wouldn't have survived.

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And he only spent two years he was staying with friends, those two years he spent.

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And also by all the other famous scholars, who quoted on the body mom jofra sadhak.

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When it was mentioned about him concerning Malik mentioned by him, he said, I used to attend Jonathan Mohammed, who was always smiling. But whenever the prophet SAW someone was mentioned, he would immediately adopt a serious attitude. I was his regular visitor for some time. And I never saw him once without either praying fasting, reciting the Quran. And he never quoted the Hadith by the prophet Muhammad SAW Salam unless he had performed his order. And he was never given to idle talk. Whenever I wanted to see him, he would take his cushion that he was sitting on and give it to me.

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Now imagine this. This is not just a teacher, Mr. JOHN facade, it wasn't just a teacher. Because this he, he was one of the greatest founders of all the schools of thought, everyone, Sunni, Shia, everyone acknowledged him as being, if not the most highest scholar, and jurisprudence, and man of knowledge of the whole Muslim world at that time. And here was his student. Malik, learning from him, still wet behind the ears and coming to see him a mom job. So that would mean he gave his cushion and hand it to him.

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Now, this is the humidity the example of humidity, which, when spy anyone who reads about your mom draw for Sonic, whichever school of thought they are.

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And for those who doubt, just how much of an effect a mom draw from saw the cat on the people who are later to be called Atul Sunda. It was narrated by allama even harder than Malik Mackey,

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which writes in his soul Allah maharlika the exalted imams such as Yahoo, pinside, injury, Mr. Malik willingness among sofian authority, Sophia and benign Imam, Abu hanifa. And Abu are you such as Danny? Oh to Cardiff from image john for sadhak. They took Cardiff and they asked a hadith narrated by Mr. Joffe, Rosado in the Hadith collections of Mr. Malik and others.

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Although the great unfortunate thing is that many of these hadiths and many of the teachings of Imam jofra saw that are given but not attributed to him as in we cannot trace the knowledge of when Abu hanifa made a comment about something or when my mother made a comment about something he didn't say, well, Joshua saw that taught me this particular fatwa, this particular hokum. But when we look at the narrations of jofra sadhak, from other sources, we see a great parallel between the fact was given by some gift that was given by Malik and Abu hanifa, and the sayings or Imam jofra sadhak.

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And so every person who reasons the history, whichever school of thought you come from, cannot help but acknowledge the great debt of knowledge we have to imagine for solid and it's using his example that I'd like to highlight a way forward for us living today.

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What trials and tribulations in mam Java Sonic suffer as it went in trying to call for unity in trying to call for Islam and for the Huck.

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What tolerance studies show what patients did he show what hikma did he show? And what can we learn from his attributes?

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Mr. Java saw that lived at a time of a lot of political turmoil, a lot of oppression.

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And he lived with a time where many people were suffering and were fighting each other and also a time of great sectarian

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debates, discussions and divisions. And one of the most famous issues which he kind of he, he tried he was known for doing is he basically taught us and was helped establish the University of Medina, which is, as everyone knows the history about this university of Medina was the place where people from all around the world, the Muslim world would come and learn

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where all the scholars on jority of our schools today can trace back their ijazah tomb

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and he was

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The teacher. And it is an array that he taught 4000 students which narrated from him at that place at this esteemed University of Medina.

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And what I tried to highlight everyone is that if the Sunnis and the Shia, if we share this common intellectual ancestor, obviously some of us share him as an ancestor, and the same amongst us, but I'm talking about him as being an intellectual ancestor, from the knowledge and fit which he supplied to us, which doesn't fit which he made many sacrifices to deliver to us. If we are united upon

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the fact that he is his hope comes in his wisdom flowed from him throughout the Muslim world, so much so that it that it will set off him that they had been taken to all the corners of the Muslim world, for the knowledge of Mr. Joffe are solid,

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then

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why are we fighting?

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And why is there hatred? And why is there prejudice?

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If we all respect the same person?

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Indeed, if we, if we all highly esteem and revered the same man's opinions, then why all this hatred, and fitna we see today?

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And I believe the reason why

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is ignorance.

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Because we don't know about the reality.

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Now I'd like to give an example.

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One of the characteristics and I'll say this now, I will never not be able to do justice to him. I'm Jeff sodic. But talking about his attributes, I won't be able to do justice to it. And I don't think 40 minutes one hour, or even one day is enough of a talk to discuss his attributes, but I'm gonna I picked a few.

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One of his attributes was his understanding of people's differences in background and his wisdom.

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There was a time when the Calif,

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summoned Abu hanifa to him and said, It was my soul. And he said,

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make me some questions. So you can question this to him. I'm john from saddam. Now, Abu hanifa was forced to comply, because if you turn down the holly for the Hollywood, that halifa would probably kill you. So he made some questions. Then Mr. Joffe was invited to come and answer these questions when they were in the sitting. The halifa said to me for now asking the questions. So he asked him

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40 questions.

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And all these questions. Mr. Java saw that answered. The people of Iraq, the scores of Iraq say this, the scholars of Medina say this, but my opinion is this.

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upon which I've only said most of the children of the olive, the most knowledgeable of scholars is he is most knowledgeable about differences of opinion.

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Now,

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it's not just sufficient for us as Muslims to just study our own school of thought, and just know our own opinions. Because when we meet someone of another school of thought, will say, Well, why aren't you doing this? This This had the fact God says this, why aren't you doing it? And they'll say, Well, I don't subscribe to maybe that had the form, I think, is the IE form, I think, a different interpretation of this, and then you get angry, but I don't understand this, because this is the only opinion this is the only hokum that should be on this.

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So how dare you have a different opinion.

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But if you understood if all of us understood that there are differences of opinion,

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and that people have differences of belief, and human beings and human reality will naturally can have this different belief in different opinions. Even if you're in the same school of thought.

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You'll find debates between Maliki's versus other Maliki's debates between Sharpies versus other Sharpies. And as you're aware of between jaw freeze versus other jaw freeze, because different opinions natural state of human beings. So the wise man understands everyone's different opinions so that you might understand people's backgrounds. And this is why I believe

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in the Quran, where it says Allah made us into nations and tribes that we might recognize each other.

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Because have we all been at the same nation and the same tribe? Then when you meet someone, you wouldn't have been able to recognize my explain this. What if, if someone came up to you never met him before your life? He's wearing a hood. You couldn't see his face? He's wearing gloves. You couldn't see what skin color he was? And you could just see that he was a man.

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What would you say to him?

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Would you have any information about him?

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No, because he's a complete stranger. You have absolutely no idea about him there would be no recognition. But if you meet a person who looks Asian, you say are you from India, Pakistan, you

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First initiation discussion would be this. If you meet someone who has a small little heart You say, Okay, are you Jewish? Is this you know, why is Why do you have this hat? Some little indicators that people have put on their parents that tells us something about their background toasts like so we can recognize them. And how can we recognize each other if we are completely in the dark about each other's differences?

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Also, another characteristic with mom Joffe rusada, which I'd like to highlight,

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is his patience.

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Now, this is I cannot overstate this enough, because patience is the most easiest thing to talk about. And the most hardest thing to put into practice, especially when we are faced with people who constantly test us every day.

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But I would like to ask you to write some beautiful narrations by mom Java solid.

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On the issue of patience

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among JavaScript said people have been commanded to adopt two qualities

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but they have ceased to respect them. And so their lives are few tile.

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And those two qualities are patience and a straight

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now why is it patient who's straight if you don't obey those qualities, if you don't? Subscribe those qualities? If you are a person who completely has no patience, no straight Why is your life futile? It's because you're always be reacting to anything that comes up. Everyone can push your buttons everyone can get to you, and you'll be fighting everyone.

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And pretty soon, with every day is a battle as the saying goes, you'll lose the war. Every personal fight against a person who fights against everyone who has no patience will have no friends, no help us, no one to counsel him. Because as human beings, we are naturally going to irritate each other sometimes. Sometimes our ignorance comes out, despite the fact we might try our best not to be. And if our fellow human being and our fellow brother in Islam is not patient with us, then we're going to split we're not going to speak to turn into more we're going to break the bonds of our kinship of Adam from each other and our kinship of faith from each other.

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So the hikma of the mom jofra saw that same goes, because in this saying is if we want to lead productive lives, lives that lead us to the ohana. Then let us know patience and restraint. Let us be acquainted with it. Let us be practitioners have patience on the street. Wait a second.

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Before you react, and Mr. Java saw that, you might say yeah, but but I have a lot of troubles in my life. I have a lot of problems in my life people. You know, people are saying so many bad things against me or this or this or that. But it can't compare to what Mr. Johnson went through. He was regularly cursed and insulted and slandered. He was summoned by Khalifa and saw up to five to seven times.

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Come summon to him. It's not just Oh, just around the corner, I had to go to him just for just for Khalif mandsaur to test him about something else, to catch him out. So that if he catches him out, he could kill him, we can imprison him or do something he did but he didn't excuse so that the people would accept it.

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And Imam jofra saw that bad boy that with patience. And instead of supporting certain factions who might want to rise up and fight

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he saw ahead instead of reacting. He saw that the what the armor really needed was understanding and knowledge.

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And so he kept on teaching. And he kept on teaching in Medina. And if it wasn't for the fact that Calif mandsaur dragged him out there bumped by one of his summons he would have stayed and continued his his Dawa and considered continued his teaching to the oma.

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If only we were like this,

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if only we were people who when provoked by someone who calls us deviant, or someone who calls us Kapha. And you know, they don't understand it think about you. They just read some book, which some of the far away wrote at the behest of some of some agenda. And they call it and then they've got you they've read this book and they think they know everything. And they come up to you and say Brother, what you're with this or this group or this school of thought, brother stuff.

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This is, this is shirk. This is Braden, just Cooper.

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And they calling you Catherine. You think oh, how dare you call me a caffeine, caffeine. I believe that one. I believe in Allah. Allah Azza wa sallam, and you call me a Kaffir.

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But bear patience. Because if you reacted angrily he'd be angry and you get angry. You can maybe have a fist fight. If you're lucky, you'd only end that fist fight.

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But if you had born that with patience, and say look, brother,

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before you say this, look

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Let's, let's see some proofs that let's discuss let's debate. And maybe it wasn't up for debate that time. A lot of time, be good. We'll just say Salaam to him. Or just give him some act of kindness even though this person because if you're careful,

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right, fine, fine, you can send me a Kaffir. But please, you know, I'd like to invite you to have a drink with me Have some tea or something, or maybe a lunch or something like this, and let's just have general chitchat. Let them let them see the the human side of you let them then let them start recognizing the Islamic attributes of you. Because it's hard to deny.

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We all Muslim,

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and whichever diverse opinion we might have 95% of Islam is all the same cost of school for schools of thought. There is nothing which is core aqeedah core kita which takes you out of Islam if you don't if you reject you leave out Islam which we differ on. We don't believe in two Gods we don't believe the Prophet Mohammed Salim was, was God incarnate, but the Christians do about their profit. We don't believe that the crime was changed or the different neurons or the court has been completely abrogate. We don't believe this. We will unite upon this. So where's the fight? Where's the argument?

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Mr. Joffe, Sonic says there will come a time when people will not be able to obtain Dominion except by killing and showing themselves to be proud and haughty. nor would they will they be able to obtain wealth except by anger, and miserliness. No love except by banding with religion and following desire. And if a person living in that age is patient, in the face of hatred, when he is capable of obtaining love,

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and his patient in the face and in poverty, while he's capable of attaining riches, and he's patient in the face of a basement, meaning to be insulted and slandered. While he's capable of attaining glory, Allah will granting the reward of 50, righteous and trusted men.

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Now what was the mom job started telling us? Some people, some of us, we get so frustrated by the fitna that that occurs amongst amongst Muslims, that some of us, we think, you know what, okay, I'm so upset. Now. That's it, he's done this to me, I'm going to do right back to him.

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Or when we see the news of killings happening in parts of the Muslim world, and we say, oh, and then we see counter killings happening.

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And shaitan comes in and puts a bit of happiness. And it's like, Yes, good, they deserved it. Maybe it wasn't the maybe the people who got killed in retaliation, one wasn't guilty or the innocence, but they got a taste their own medicine.

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And thereby shaitan has succeeded in planting enmity between Muslim brothers and making Muslims happy and the death of Muslims. If someone said to you, that there could be a possibility where Muslims would be happy to death Muslim, do you think No, I can't be.

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And that shaytan can make a person happy about a different Muslim you for now. So I'll just say that that's phrase to you, you think I can't happen, when it would always be sad? But then but see what happens now in the Muslim world? When there's counting killings and counter killings? There are people with Oh, yes, yes. Good. They deserve that. How dare they, that, you know, the people like them, people like them, you know, they killed also we've killed them. And they tell us, it's making us happy. And this is what a mom of sadhak was telling us to avoid. That real piety, you only you're gonna get piety through convenience. Being pious is not convenient. I'll say this. Now.

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It's not an easy way out. It's very hard.

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And there'll be many temptations for you to break the, the bones of your, of your Islam, the bonds of your restraint, the bones of your patience. But remember, remember, when you come to the point of your anger, where you're bound, you're going to strike back at someone remember something

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who was assaulted more, you? Boy mom, Java sadhak by other people. And if you mom Java saw that. never hit anyone, for slandering him for basing him, then who are you to say that you have a better right? To hit someone back to database basing you when imaam Java sorry of all people has the best right? to retaliate. And this is something that that all Muslims can learn from Pamela.

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Also,

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another attribute ma'am Java saga, which we can learn from today to help us in our course for unity was his humility.

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And I have already mentioned reports about his humility. It wasn't supported by Moloch that john saw two guys cushion for his reporting. In all the evidences Abu hanifa says the same thing. And the person called Mohammed who had

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hit one of the one of the servants of him on Java solid in response to an issue or problem

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He was repentant. He came to my job for saavik. But before long jobs occurred, what he's gonna say before you can have a penance for hitting one of his servants. And obviously, you know, he wanted his servants so you think he'd be angry at that guy for hitting one of his servants. Before he came to me? Jaffa Saba stuff, like took out the pillow handed to him.

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Someone who, you know, if someone's if you're angry at someone, and he's come to your door, you don't know what he's going to talk about, nobody's gonna say comes to your door. You're not going to start? Well, people we don't, we don't usually, we don't usually greet them and go out of our way for them. Because we think about this person having a dispute with Okay, you know, we're very angry this person is, you know, what, and so on. But mom, just like before anything else, he'd always assert the humidity of Islam. And it was present in his actions, always to people who had slide him and two people who were his close friends, he would treat the same.

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Another issue

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was the wisdom of Mr. Joffe. Rosada. Now, in this case, I think will be very hard pressed to imitate that. So I'm not going to ask you for that. But seeking wisdom is something very much which we should imitate about the character mom job for Sonic. Because wisdom is very important for unity. And what do I mean by this?

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Some of us we become, you know, I mean, we become overcome by emotion, especially in debates.

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And we become so overcome by emotion that we say something out of 10.

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Now, some of us might have historical debates and say, this person

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to someone else who might view that person highly, and you say this person, he is x, y, and Zed how you know, and you like him and all this kind of stuff. And not you know, this is not gonna make this you know, the person you're speaking to warm to you. If you go up to a Christian.

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And you tell and you ask the question about Paul, the apostle Paul, so to speak, even the poor who never met Jesus, but espouse the doctrine that we didn't have to follow the law of Moses anymore. He never met Jesus came after Jesus. He became the most famous church, founding father. And he basically defined Christianity Christianity is basically the work and interpretations of pool. Now if we went up to a Christian said, your pool, he is a liar. He is a deceiver, and he's going to burn in hell. Would the Christian now turn to you with warmth and say, Okay, fair point. Okay, let's let's discuss now.

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Yeah, okay. The truth is better, I understand. But there's a hikma of how to speak.

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And among Java sadhak, who spoke to many people have different have different beliefs interpretations, and he spoke to Calif mandsaur when kliegman soar summoned him for yet another one of his troll interrogations. He always he didn't just respond quickly and and make some kind of

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reaction to How dare you man so you know you are this this and this? No, because what would happen afterward would be he'd be persecuted and he'd be tortured and if he's lucky, he wouldn't be killed. And yeah, he stayed he stayed his tongue but also also is because the amount of solid was Trump was winning over and over trying to win over everyone around him on so even the muscle might not change even though he might not never change didn't say right well because not gonna change I'm gonna be a bit more I'm gonna insult to I'm gonna say bad things but no he instead mom's office article was aimed to win over everyone around him so much so that Calif mon Sol got very frustrated by this the

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fact that every time that he didn't summon the mount Java saw that image of itself would always leave it winning and maybe would win over someone someone's heart to him even though he wouldn't the person who won over wouldn't say out loud there and then

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now the Quran tells us

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Do not insult the the idols though that the people that the pagan peoples items and I installed the idols last thing so Allah

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now

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we might think what is more, not just what is more disgusting than a summarized version object that is worshipped other than Allah, which looks like an animal, for example, take one example you might have what is more data than this? And you think surely I can install this because this is just an object. Let's leave it a person is an object, but because there are people who are attached to this object, rightly or wrongly, obviously we believe wrongly,

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you know, because they attached it means that we have to have some kind of respect not for the object, but for the person we speak to. And if we would insult their god they would have so insult Allah. So

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Then how much more so is it with our fellow Muslim brothers?

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Now I'll say this, I'm under no illusions. I've studied the different schools of thought, and I'm still studying and inshallah, I'm going to keep my mind open and inshallah, may Allah, may I die as in one of those who consider being sincere inshallah, may we all die in the category people who work in courts and see and open to the truth.

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But I am I know and I understand that there are things that we believe that everyone believes which might be unpalatable to other people. But it's, but what we should understand is that whatever these these beliefs are, it is not something which is personal people wake up in the morning and said, you know, what, that person that the, the the man that this person likes, I hate him, I just discovered this, I'm gonna hate this person today. No, it's because it's the texts we read from history. And we read in the sources of different schools of thought, which which say this and, you know, we didn't have a choice. Now, if we if I had my choice, I would, you know, I would have wished that the

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reality would have been that that all techs would have been been shown good and harmony and no problems and no suspicions and no devious character or anyone.

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But I didn't make history

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and you didn't make history. So how can we fight each other over something we didn't make?

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And my message, the message of this of toleration,

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I extend it to everyone

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because I'm mainly I do extend it to people who are from the Arizona mainly because I think that you have to understand that people from this from this four schools of thought with Joanie Kodiak have son now

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because because it is a be about

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85 80% of the oma.

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They, if all things being equal, a person from a Sunni background will hardly meet a Shia Oh, meet many Shia or in the Muslim world in from North Africa to to Indonesia, Malaysia and so on. They would hardly ever meet though. Some people don't even know what she are. They just heard this word. Could she have stoneware? I don't know what is that.

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But if you're if you are shy, you will meet many Sony's and the the the heart of the sheer world is surrounded with so many countries, so you can't help but meet Sony's so I would say that, generally speaking, a lot of Shia already understand about speaking about understanding between different opinion because they meet so many people, different schools of thought that you can't help but meet people, different schools of thought if you are a minority. And my main mission message is to the majority, because the majority, because the majority just don't see it. They don't have no idea. They literally ignorant. They didn't know there was difference of opinion. In fact, when I first

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learned the Maliki school of thought, and I was approached by some some brothers who were from Somalia, and they're from Shafi school of thought, and they saw me praying and they said, Brother, you're praying monk, you have this is like this. So it's like this,

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bro in the Maliki school for we pray arms by our side.

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But of course, the problem from smile shocked, he never heard of he never heard a praying hautbois sign and then he said, Well, what is Maliki?

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You follow a king was this.

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So there is ignorance even inside the atom. So now that we have brought the cases we have to understand each other's differences, and this is my message.

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And before the talk is out, I would like people in Charlotte to take a copy of some leaflets I bought, called the Muslims innocence presets. And with this copy of the leaflet, this was written one majority with with Sonny's in mind, to educate them about all the schools of thought, reusing Sunni evidences and classical scholarly opinions.

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And I'd like Muslims to I'd like you to use this to educate, help educate our Sunni brothers.

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But also, I'd like to actually talk about

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a few last points by mom Java saw that which I think is I think we should, among all the things, bear in mind.

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It's brotherhood.

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It's very easy for us to say I'm only going to be brothers with people who follow my opinion. Or maybe I should be I should be good to my brother I should be his companion. But only that only means to my fellow month hub, my fellow school falls.

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But if we look at narrations, we mom Java sadhak. How did he understand unity? And who did the fights be the people that you should be united with?

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He said,

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among the rights of the believer, the mother was the believer has everything

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His fellow believer is that he should feed him if he's hungry, consider his constituents private parts, alleviate his affliction, pay his debts, and if he dies assume responsibility for his family and his son's moderation.

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And he makes it more explicit as to believe the Muslim is the brother of the Muslim. He is his site, he is his mirror, he is his guide. He does not betray him, does not cheat him does not oppress him does not light him does not slander him, he nor does he promised him something and then goes back on his promise. Not on eration no believer abandons his brother in law being in a position to save him, but that Allah abandons him in this water next.

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Like you're not, we are all brothers, because we believe in the Rasulullah saw Sonam and we believe in Allah smart Allah, as the as the one and only Allah for mankind, for anything for all creation.

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We believe in the same ultimate source texts, the Quran

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and the

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Hadith which will which we will commonly share a misconception there are Hadith which are actually quite common, a common to all schools of thought and they could matamata narrations, the Hadith 101, for example, is in all schools of thought you can't deny it. Anyone who denies this hadith is careful because it's motor water is so many changes Impossible, impossible to deny it.

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Obviously, people have different opinion.

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But of all these examples, I bought my mom Jaffa salad sayings and I said before, I can't do justice, Tim and his talk.

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And I tried to balance it between talking about his attributes, which promote unity and relaying it to our modern day example. But what I will say

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is that as Muslims, we believe things which all Muslims might not believe in.

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But this does mean that we are following coffered or we're following fun which is, which is disobedience to God in itself.

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Even within the same school of thought, if one scholar says one particular factor on something and also says no fatwa is one of them, upon Cofer, it's all over the metro cafard because of this,

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no, as Mr. Bach said, the famous musta hit in Iraq, he was martyred by Saddam Hussein. He said that Allah will account you for your certitude. Whatever you believed was the truth, Allah will count you for this. And if you go against what you believe is true, even though it's not true.

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Allah would punish you because you knowingly disobeyed Allah, you knowingly disobeyed him, even though you might have the thing in itself was okay was, was not actually prepared with what you did. So as Muslims, we are all worshipers of Allah. And we if we, if as long as what we ever we

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obey, and whatever we do, as part of our Islam, that we believe in this sincerely, sincerely to be the truth, and then in sha Allah, may Allah grant all of us, Jana, and all of us reward.

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And I'd like to finish off by saying that Mr. Joffe, Rosada said, if you see something that you don't like in your brother, try to find from one to 70 excuses for him. And if you can't find any excuse, say they might they might be an excuse, but I don't know it.

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And so brothers,

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why don't we, when we encounter brothers who might not be so understanding of us, who might not be so amenable to unity and they might do bad things, last minute excuses for their ignorance. Let us work hard. And let us recognize those people with other schools of thought who share our opinions view us as brothers and will work together with us. And I would like to have the honor and opportunity today to initiate for the on the occasion of the anniversary of the deputy manager for solid and on behalf of almost independent of Muslim unity free Salawat in his honor, Allah who must

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thank you very much. shekel andalusi I hope all the brothers and sisters benefited from many iterations of Mr. Masada. I think many Jaffer is who claim they follow him have never heard in their life. So you know, we can continue to work to try and bring people towards actually following what they claim to follow and seeing someone like you quoting this

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Hadeeth I'm sure will inspire those who claim to follow Masada to actually go and read more about Mr. Masada as well. After listening to all of these narrations, we're going to open the floor to for questions.

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I've, I've told Chef andalusi our crowd is a feisty crowd. So I told you gotta be careful.

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But then he's discussed with me before, so he's used to it. And so you feel free to ask him questions on what he has spoken about particularly

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contemporary issues related to Sunni Shia unity. I'll start with the first question. And then hopefully that will be the springboard you mentioned, said Mohammed Baccarat sada, and you seem to have known something about his life, how important to send him a bottle of cider, especially to the thoughts of the Sunni world and groups like has batarian.

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Well, Mohammed Baka Soto Rahim Allah, he worked with the founder of his

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kingdom Hani. And they discussed many things regarding a practical roadmap to the means you're not the Muslim Ummah, which was the Islamic state dollars lamium.

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If you read the books have read the books, among others, you'll find in terms of his book on economics, identical to the book written by the founder of his redacted, almost identical with the exception, with the exception of the issues of homes and so on, which which we know about a difference of opinion. They work together. And from this working together, they lay down an understanding of then they didn't change anything about your schools of thought, but rather, by debating and discussion discussing each other, they crystallized with each other, the debates, the understandings of Islam, and they went a step forward in what we find is common amongst all schools

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of thought. And the issue of Islamic State, which is, you know, 95% exactly the same in all schools of thought, the issue for unity, a practical method for unity. And for 50 years, his career has been working towards unity. And recently last year, for example, in 2007, when they had the the international khilafah conference in Indonesia, and they had it in the world's 10th largest stadium, or 100,000. People turned up BBC video from all around the world. So showed it and they said, and I'm hamdulillah it was caught on BBC, where history said that Muslim, Sunni and Shia should unite as one oma for the sake of Allah Spano Allah for the sake of unity and for the sake of Islam, the

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strengthening Deen of Islam. And this and this has been inspired by the works the Condor, the collaboration between

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the chef Mohammed bakasana, and tuck it in the pan. And I think inshallah, there's a lot of example in this, where were the highest islands, Sunni and Shia have worked together to produce to produce beneficial, beneficial movements, beneficial changes in the Muslim Ummah, and today, has been one of the world's largest political party in many operating Sunni areas has done a lot to destroy the prejudices and ignorance concerning shields among Sudanese. If I was only one person, I'd greatly despair. But I am one of 1000s and 1000s, which is why it is it is a common joke said of those who are sectarian. Of those of those people who are sectarian, who they hate the most, is that she, oh,

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his career and there's a debate which I have,

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I think is what the hell he says here.

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I just want to give an opportunity for our sisters, if they do have any questions, if they could please write them down on a bit of paper and slide them under the normal door.

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Salaam Alaikum brother,

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May Allah keep you healthy and give you all the knowledge. Thank you very much for your lecture. Now my question is, we have what a very strong foundation, la la la la now then becomes the khilafah whether you believe in Mammoth, or the fourth Khalifa second now Imam Jafar Sadek also is one of the scholar which is a very common among the old schools and Imam Al main de la Salaam. Nobody will deny that is his to appear. Now if you take the political such

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of the world today. Iran, which is all totally jafria has always fought for the Muslims is a it's a they have never said whether the Shia or Sunni. Now if you take the political situation in Lebanon,

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also, though it is dominated by the sheer majority, but they have never come with the differences. So, yes, have always kept unity among the Muslim. Why is the reason my question is what do you think is the reason, in spite of the world knowing

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that she has have stood for the unity all the time? why there is so much hatred? Thank you very much.

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For the question. I think the first point was about Was it a laugh in a moment? Now, okay.

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I would answer a practical question, because it's a practical question. How is if there are Muslims who have difference of opinion, how can they live on the one state? Which opinion would you adopt? How would you organize this? But I say, you know what, okay. Look, not to Muslim world for the answer this question. look towards, let's say, in the Western world, you in America, for example, you have two schools of thought fighting it, they and they hate each other republican Democrats. Now, if you study anything about libertarian ideology, libertarianism and so on, Republican Democrats, they have a different view about

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state intervention and about how how the society should become liberal, should you should you just make a liberal completely straight away? Or should you be more conservative, which is why you have Republican and Democrat, and they basically fight tooth and nail intellectually?

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Now, I would say that unity is not that we just don't debate. I, you know, what they might be the case that, you know, some of you have met me before we've had discussions and so on. I will debate and I will discuss, and I will, you know, I will debate about the pin, which I think is stronger, and you know, people will be against me might will think their opinion is stronger, and so fine, you know, keeping silent about that. It's not it's not unity, that just preserve the tension. I like out in the open, but we keep it intellectual like the republicans democrats, do they keep intellectual, but I don't like using modern day examples. I like to use them only to show how practical it is. in

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history, historically speaking, the time of the flippers, there was plenty of my money and the assets, these people, it was more about Sunnis and Shias. These people just wanted power. They oppressed Sunni moms. I mean, almost all the Sunni moms were at one point beats and killed or whipped by these by the opposite domains. Yeah, Amanda sigh one of the famous in the radius of six books of the sunny Sunday, schools of thought was beaten up and died from his injuries just because he refused to curse Allie. And he wrote a book and he wanted any publicly gave out in the hotbar the virtues of Allium, because he did that he was beaten, and he later on diamonds, injuries. So the

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historical situation not Sunni and Shia, it's always between oppressive leader versus the rest of the Muslims. And I think, in today's world, if we have a leadership, which is not based on madhab, but based on, on whichever is a strong opinion of the individual and competency, and obviously, this is quite detailed discussion in itself, which is this this question, it doesn't give me enough time to answer. But there is a way by which people can basically we can elect a ruler, and the ruler will rule by rule by whatever he best thinks is the is the Sharia. And then when he gets out of office, another rule will come and, and so on, no matter will be codified. It will be according to whichever

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The rule is, is isn't powerful. That's the first question. Although I haven't answered a lot of details about that. The second point, sorry, if so, if you can find me the second point, sorry, it was hatred, hatred. As I mentioned in my talk, I mean, my my dialogue is not I don't focus on on on Shia and my call for unity as a priority. I'm mainly focused on people from the Sunni schools of thought, because, as I said, before, they being the majority, most of them have no contact of Shia. And the only only thing they know about Shia is what some people who have written their books funded by oil and funded by a lot of money have and built medicines in their local street have told them

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about shear, and they there are none the wiser. They don't know nothing about shear. And the people that go to them are the sectarian Muslims who because they're rich, they can reach more people. So my dad was seven This is the reason why there is hatred, because it's just generally being the majority your heart you know more about minorities, many if you go to England, for example, many English people, you know, they don't, you know, they don't know about a lot of minorities that exist. They don't know there's a Turkish minority. They don't know about Kurdish minority. They

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Don't know about something even though there are Jews in England, you know, because being the majority, you know, you don't meet people you don't meet diversity if you're minority you always meet and that's that's the main that's the sociological reason why, but there's also reason is because of sectarian violence and inshallah

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with all of us working together we can destroy those those barriers of ignorance and gain understanding. And as I said before, difference of opinion is not a problem expressing an opinion is not a problem, do it intellectually do it for the cause of of truth. And there's no problem. If you meet a Christian who says to you, I don't believe Prophet Mohammed is a prophet. And if you was to push that question, then what do you believe he is? What do you believe he is, you say, well, and in my belief, I would have to say he's a false false messiah, false prophet, maybe he lied, and so on. Now, obviously, that's your belief, I respect that. If he comes up to you and says, Your prophet is

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a liar, and bla bla, would they say a pedophile, and all these things which we are being assaulted? Currently, we don't like this, but but we don't mind if they discuss this intellectually, for sincere purposes. So as as we want them to want to ask, so should we do to others? inshallah.

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There's a couple of questions here, but they're more statements then questions, if you can just have short, concise questions. There's one here, my name is from Alison, she goes to all the sudden your mosques. She says to me, she's very confused, because everyone is telling her this hadith is weak. That Hadith is not weak, that Hadith a strong and you know, and so she's saying, I told her, we don't have this problem, you have four divisions. So how do you explain the four divisions? Okay. Well, I think, in all schools of thought there was debates on weakness of hadebe, and so on. I mean, and this, this is a universal phenomenon, as I said, is the discipline is within the school of

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thought, let alone between different schools. But the four divisions to sum it up if I can, is essentially the the Hanafi school of thought and based Abu hanifa. He was cool. He was cool. Personally, I have right, which is those people who they make analogy, and they try to rationalize out things more than relying on text, although there is some evidence for this, but it's unfair on underneath in that case, but I believe I did use a lot of analogy. And he tried to develop more principles. For example, if a hanafy gets two heads of equal weighting, and they're the same way the same, you know, the bolster here equal weighting, but there's a contradictory things, he will always

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choose the more lenient of those Hadeeth based on a principle derived from a different set of them so awesome said I would have made making the brushing your teeth, five had it not been for fear of robbing the believers. So from this underneath the rug, the principle that you must always take the more lenient have to equal Hades is one example in my Malik he takes the amarilla Medina the the actions the preserves, the preserve practice, so none of the of the people of Medina and the age of the scholars of Medina and and hence we pray with hands, arms by the side because this is what was the practice Sunnah. Although there are 17 Hadees in Sunni narrations which say it's cooked you

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prayed the folded folded, folded arms. And this is an I've had a lot of debates or I've had uncountable debates we've all assumed is about this when you see me brother, are you sure?

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I was like No, Maliki that's like, what do you mean in America you pray like this? I was like, no, please like this. And then they say to us, some of these promises, no problem, let me tell you what happened in my mother who was tortured, he had used his arm stretched. So when he was praying, you know, he prayed like this, like some kind of Frankenstein thing. I was like, No, he, he, you know, he, there were many there was someone said to him, you know, I have a different Prophet Mohammed son that says this, you should pray like this. And and my Malik said, you bring me one Hadith, but I will bring you 1000s of the scholars of Medina who continue this practice for the for the three

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generations that the Prophet Mohammed Hassan said we know what water matches, so that does that.

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Imam Shafi mo Shafi I would say in some in some of his His love, His principles is more closer to the Shia or Sunni

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branch because he took a more balanced between narrations and use of of chaos manandhar had Molly Barton taking out meanings of implicit and explicit meanings. He codify that he was one of the first

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of the Sunni imams to write a book on a sort of fit could rissalah and you when I when I was reading the book by Mohammed bakasana is a sort of faith, which is this book, I recommend it to read it. I'm not yet plugging it. Anyway, when when I read this, I saw a lot of similarities in terms of the principles so I'll say is literally a debate on sources difference between the jockey and the Shafi is something that would be at

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Based on sources, as for admin been humble admin humble he preferred her diff over any kind of chaos which muscle he preferred. He preferred Heidi fields is more comparable to

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a branch of of the jafria who prefer a weaker diff over a chaos over analogy, for example, and that kind of define his school of thought, and so on. He's not like the current current day. People who are the Salafi, who claim to be humble followers, because they actually differ quite a lot. I used to I could bring quotations by often been humble, which which contradicts the Salafi debates. And that's a whole other discussion. So this is a little off between these these, these four schools on methodology. Suffice to say on on the sources of narration as well, as we all know, they all have different sources of narration. And of course, it's more pronounced, compared to the Joffrey Joffrey

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figure, as we all know, but in a nutshell, that's why we it's not for different slums. It's just for different understandings of or interpretations of, what is it? Is this a narrator? How do you interpret a narration? And how do you manage conflict between content generations and you will find context and durations in all schools of thought, so inshallah, in essence in a nutshell, that's basically the four schools

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so now, I'm only gonna show for now thank you very much for your lecture.

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Only mama saw his praise. Could you please explain to me the wisdom behind following the students and not following the teacher? Why do you follow my leg when you've got a masala slip right in front of you?

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I was waiting for that question.

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Okay, I mean, without getting to the bait, I'll guess I'll say is, if you look in history in historical sources, there's almost like, for my research, there's there's basically two images from Starbucks to alleys and, and, you know, to Mohammed Barker's and so on, so forth, to Hassan and to his saints. What I mean by this is, there are the Sunni narrations on them, which say something and they are generations on them, which say something else.

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Some lot of Sunni scholars would say that a lot of Islam Jaffa salad still is still preserved in the Joffrey school, but they would disagree with believing that he in the moment and so on.

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And there's even curiously enough Sunni Jeffries which people who basically follow the fit of I have a friend of mine who's a Sunni Joffrey, he fought the follows the fit of Muhammad Jaffa solid, but does not believe in the in the moment as an Iranian brother. Now, I guess this is a debate for historians and and people more versed than I am to even talk about such topic because there's literally so many generations.

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generations. For example, just to give you one example.

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We know that from one generation, it was you know, Mata was allowed by the prophet Mohammed until he died. And only Omar later on instituted a prohibition on it because it was being abused. A lot of the ration says that at the bottom. It was it was forbidden, Mohammed forbidden. Salam, and the one who said it was allowable.

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So we, but we know that in moderation, Elise is condoning Mota. So we've seen as these two different durations vary by the same person who's saying two different things. Now notice the pay as to which is earlier and later and so on, and is the whole historical debate on this. But suffice to say the reason why you'll see that as soon as we've researched about this might not follow Mr. Joffe or sadhak in the sheer sense, is because we believe we're following him in the Sunni sense. So we believe a lot of his fear is preserved in in the Maliki school in the Hanafi. school so we we view ourselves as I was already following him, and I guess this is why would explain the phenomenon of

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why I'm a Maliki I but I'm not a Joffrey in that respect.

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There's a question him in an hour,

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an hour belief. We follow Mr. Masada and fit and Mr. Masada and theology and your introduction that said you follow an era in theology and malakian fit.

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So why is there a contradiction between your theology

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and aqeedah acleda

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aqeedah in the sense of not the core creed, but just your beliefs.

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You can, I mean, in a in a Sunday school of thought you can do this you can basically have one person for your faith and one person for your aqeedah if you

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That person is stronger you can follow one person use the car to one person in your salon. I don't I would assume it would be similar in the Jaffe flick amongst the different Joffrey most hits of the day where you can follow maybe one machine and one masala and almost anonymous another subject area so to speak. But and essentially as a as a Ashley via the Duany branch because

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they actually don't i don't agree with everything that that was said by the founder of that school, but Duany basically clarified it, and it's based on rationalist rationality. And so that's why I follow I think most most of these follow the Ashi school of thought, which is why there's currently a debate in the Sunni world as to what is your school of Aikido and so on most initiated by those who call themselves the Salafis who they are a school of faith and a school of Akita all in one and they go up to what you have maybe you've seen yourself but they got the Sudanese and say you know, bra stuff a lot this belief is from the ashlea or from the Maria or so and so forth. They they cast

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the classified Sudanese into different groups and then slander attack and what have you, Sudanese for different akitas and so on and so forth. Then they write books saying the correct aqeedah book and here's the book that you should be following. And they got the students who don't know about different leaders who never knew that there's there's more than one or what have you and and they make them feel like that they are deviant so and so on, but in Islam or at least I know in the in the Sunnah you can follow one person for fifth and one person for Akita and Mr. mallex didn't do much didn't do much writings on Akita per se or them right the writings he did was more in detail as

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much as was later elaborated by the ashlea way Hence, I follow him on journey via the Austrian School.

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Salam Alaikum and I will really come with

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you it presented the things very clearly I'm very much interested about the work that you're doing and and then I think it might inspire some of the people here in among this year youth to join the tower I will be I'll be one I will myself will be interested to join your activities and see how we can work together

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I would like to know more about Thank you

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Okay.

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In terms of downward I do

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it's not just me it's many brothers and including obviously his trade worldwide and globally and so on. But on a personal level the word that I do I'm I mainly address

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I go to discuss it with Muslims I talked to Muslim I go speakers corner, and I give Tao at speakers corner, mainly because not to debate with with ranting evangelical Christians but rather a lot of Muslims go down there a lot of Muslims who are interested in dour as well go down there. And I speak to them, I kind of give down to our carriers in in speaker's corner, especially people Edgware Road, they, you know, a lot of people go down there and I speak to these people these brothers don't on their I do youth talks and and and I'm with a youth initiative called Ministry of Tao which does youth talks and so on, I invite to speak on it now and again, and we educate the youth about all

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these things which I which I've discussed, we give them education which they probably wouldn't get anywhere else in that public manner unless they go to a madrasah or university and so on. So we try to bring make these ideas accessible to everyone. And you know, majority of my audience is in my call for unity is suddenly because I do believe that as soon as needed more than the Shia mainly because they're the majority and they don't have access to the to seeing difference of opinion some don't even know the difference of opinion.

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What I would say is that in terms of helping the dour efforts,

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we always see as I said I wrote a leaflet out which which inshallah I'll make available after this talk in sha Allah is designed for Sudanese to counteract sectarian propaganda from a certain certain particular recent school of thought and you know it's designed to give as given classical opinions and what I'm what I'm doing is I'm the the school I'm following is not a new revise that listen to the more embracing more tolerant and also No, I'm following classical AlHassan because classical art Asana was very tolerant amongst to see us and and yes, there may be issues with people talking about bringing up quote, so all didn't didn't Imam the Imam Abu hanifa Malik custard off dancer. Yes, but

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the Rafah wasn't referring to the Shia at that time Rafa refers to those who believe Allah was God. And it's kind of like a catch all term which

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includes you and just because you happen to be Shia and the people that believe that it was God has also she has you must be the same like how they say every was they called every

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terrorist and extremist but no extremist or terrorist but they will they'll just use the word extremist everyone label everyone with it even people that have moderate opinions know you're extremist if you don't believe that if you believe Islam has a full system for man life and universe and everything, you are extremists, you can't be you have to believe it's only religion and so on. And then they lay they put you in the same pot as those people who are terrorists. So, this was what was said back in the day the rafita was referring to those people who believe it was God and and many other extreme beliefs which even which the Shia condemn and there this word is resurrected

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today to be thrown against the Shia unfairly because but nothing's just not referring to them and inshallah you what you can help with the Dow is just to basically be patient as I was saying, they be patient be wise in how you speak. If you if you want to propagate your school of thought fine, but make sure you propagate in a way so that you you soften the heart of the person you speak to you know, be intellectual someone else you why you Maliki Shafi say Joffrey throws them off guard because Joffrey sounds like a school of thought.

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That's because it is a school of thought. Yeah, it has an idea. So so if you say Shia, all these kind of weird things come to the head, but you say jafria and they say, Okay, okay, what's that and then then you can start discussing and debating. So inshallah the Unity how you can help is, firstly, restrain yourself when someone as long as you as long as your school for and I know that's very hard. I know that's very hard.

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Try your best to basically volunteer Sony brothers and be open about your opinions. And I might be odd would you mean you will because you have Unity we won't be open, be open. We have to you have to be visible, that you are God. I was given a toxic congregation of, of Sudanese and so on. And for many, many, many weeks, and then after a couple of weeks, I'll speak to one brother. And I was saying you have to go to the the Muslim Kilburn was like, wasn't what you were. Yeah, bro. But yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't didn't think I shouldn't. I don't want to mention it. Because you might cause fitness would you mean, mention it be open but be intellectual and be wise and

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approaching with hikma and patients and Sharla. And that's how you can benefit unity, as well. And also if you want to help help us help us, but to speak to Sudanese, this leaflet or linked to a video I've done a video about this as well give links to that or just links to various other factors by Sunni scholars promotes many scholars that also do this to other Sudanese. So you know, we have I know, I know it's unfair that you sometimes you feel you're you're making the first gesture of offering up unity. But you know what, the one who makes the first hand gesture is the one who is most blessed and most importantly, Sharla.

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Unfortunately, our our timing has come to an end. We know Time flies when you're having fun, but we also discover that time flies when you're gaining great knowledge. I'm just gonna ask Omar to wrap up this session for us.

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I'd like to thank shut up the law for coming here today. And we pray that this is one of the first of many seminars which is between different schools and Islam and encouraging unity between the schools and Islam. In the same way he has come to give us a talk about him on the side of it is also vital for us to learn about the Imams who studied under him on the side like we mentioned in the mejlis tonight so let us all pray.

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And thank us while at the same time the mosque for extending the invite to a person from another school in Islam. Hopefully this has shown that this mosque is one of the multiple streets to build a healthy future for the oma. We pray to Allah subhanaw taala tonight the Muslim Ummah, to look after the future of the Muslim Ummah, we pray to Allah subhanho wa Taala to allow the Muslim Ummah to come to get to know one another, to understand each other and to protect each other. We pray to Allah subhanaw taala to raise us as an omen the way he raised the home of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa ala and in the way he will raise this Omar alongside the Imam of our time.

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We pray to Allah subhanho wa Taala with the following Dr. smilla Rahmanir Rahim, Allah Hama and Nana boo la caffee. Karima Charles sobelle Islam Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Allah Allah Wa nafi homina Dotty la vuelta de la savvy like what's gonna be haka Rama dunya wa Sarah Alomar often aminul Happy homina wa Asana unmoveable Latina Salam Salalah Muhammad Ali Mohammed

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