Intermarriage between Muslims and People of the Book
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The speakers discuss the definition of "people of the book" in the title of the book " Memphis," which uses the term "people of the book" to describe the definition of the definition, including both men and women. They emphasize the importance of following scripture and not believing in the same thing, as well as differentiation between the people of the book and the Moose Raccoons. The title of the book is not related to the title of the book and the meaning of the title is different depending on the commentary.Transcript ©
On behalf of the audience here today, I
would like to take this opportunity to thank,
Doctor. Doctor. Nair and earlier your son, Farid,
and the organizer for,
bringing us this, enlightened lecture.
And I'm very happy to see you today
in person,
and I much,
also believe in what you say about peace
and harmony. And I think today's topic about
women's rights and universal brotherhood is very timely.
Yeah. And,
correct me if I'm wrong. I just want
to there are so many things which I
agree with you.
I suppose the main essence is, like what
you said in the beginning, you know, should
we adherence of the major faiths, religion in
this world, if we,
are the learned ones, that means we truly
understand the essence of the origin spirit of
all the major religions, then we will come
to a common point
where be it what terminologies we use, whether
it's a god, it's Allah, it's a dharma,
or it actually in essence, it actually meant
the one and only.
Right? So if we could agree with that,
then, interfaith dialogue would actually open a way
for peace and harmony. And there would not
be any,
sort of things like, you know, differentiation, but
more of diversity and harmony. Yeah. And I
think one of my,
by the way, my name is Richard. I'm
an executive recruiter.
For me, although I'm born a Buddhist, but
I study Islam.
And I'm
if someone says I'm a Muslim, I'm very
proud of it. Yeah. And if someone says
I'm a good Christian, I'm proud of it
as well. Because,
my favorite verse in the Quran is, in
my edar, verse 48. I think it states
very clearly that, you know, why it's more
important is the good work that we do.
Right? It's not so much,
because if God has so will, He has
to make us a single people. Right? That's
why He make us a lot of religion.
Right? But He just wanna try us and
test it in what He give us. But
actually, all our ultimate goals go back to
God. And if there's any differences like we
have today, if you refer back to the
scriptures, whether it's the Quran or whether it's
the Bible or whether it's the sutras in
Buddhism or whether it's the Vedas,
we will find that, actually,
it refers to the same thing that you
mentioned earlier.
I have 2 questions which is related.
First is regards to women's rights.
I think about, interfaith marriage, actually.
From the Quran, correct me if I'm wrong,
I think one of the words is my
ador, verse 5, where he stated that,
lawful
to you in marriage are actually the believers
or the chaste women of the people of
the book.
Right?
But of course, that would depend on whether
you take the,
literal
interpretation or you take the,
Tafsir, Makassiri,
either Ussili or Makassiri. If you take the
literal, of course, some people would actually come
to the conclusions, which is actually upheld by
many of the, majority of the,
Muslim government today.
Right?
States that the
Muslim man is allowed to marry women of
the people of the boat, but
not vice versa.
Right. Because it literally
states only to chase women. It never states
to chase,
men, right, if you look at the
McCarthy
approach, which is a spirit of the law,
and just now you talk about equality of
the woman,
and we know that, we have to look
at the language of the day because those
days, like we mentioned, mankind.
Mankind
refers to both men and women. It's the
same thing we mentioned chairmen.
It actually
can be a woman. That's why today, we
rather use humankind and chairperson.
So and because of the culture that day
of that time,
most time is addressed to the male by
men and women as well. So if we
were to interpret in that way, it would
also
suggest
or meant to say that, actually,
the women should be allowed to marry the
men of the people above. So now the
contention is what is the definition of people
above.
Right? So the
of course, a lot of,
government, including in Malaysia here,
I suppose, they take the quite the strict
interpretation. So much so that they claim there's
no such thing as a pure people of
the boat. But I would like to lend
your confidence in a sense that we find
the common the common grounds, the commonalities.
Right? In the sense that,
if this is a book, I will give
it to you afterwards.
Right? This is a book by,
Reza Shah Kasimi, a scholar under the Common
Ground Initiative by Prince Jordan.
And,
it actually
contains a lot of proof from the Quran
verses.
For example,
87/19,
which actually
conclude that
region like Buddhism is also considered, people of
the world. So my question is that, in
light of all these things and also to
Brother, I've got a question. I've got a
question. Okay. You have post 2 questions. Got
it short. As the monitor said, if it's
2 sentences, if the question longer than it
becomes a speech. Okay. Okay. So sorry because
I thought You're basically I understood brother. The
2 questions I have asked mainly dealing
with marry the people of the book. Sura
Maya chapter 5 verse number 5. And regarding
can Buddhist be called the people of the
book. Correct? Two questions. Okay. So okay. Let
me answer. Okay. I just confirm. Ronda, one
more question. No. No. No. This I just
number number 1, is the women,
Muslim women, in light of the truth of
the Quran,
should be allowed to marry I understood that.
I got the question. No need of repeating.
My marriage,
very good. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Okay. And before the question, you made a
statement, I'll come and answer.
Before you gave the 2 questions you asked,
you made some statement. I'll comment that after
I give the answer to it. Even that
I remember. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.
Coming to a question that the Quran says
in surah Maydah chapter 5 verse number 5.
That lawful for you on this day is
the food of the Alikithab
and the woman of the Alikithab were chased.
So based on this,
a Muslim man can marry a chaste woman
from the
But why isn't the vice versa not allowed?
His Quran
in
Quran in Arabic language is the same.
When they say for man,
many a times, most of the time it's
included, but not always.
But not always. For example, if I say
other doctor that a woman give birth to
a child. It's woman, it's not man.
Many a times man include woman, but not
always. Similarly in the Arabic grammar, when you
know the gist. Yeah, you are Nas.
Nas is actually male. But when I translate,
all human kindness.
So in Arabic also it's the same. When
the male is referred to female is included,
but not always.
And that you come to know by the
context.
In this verse, it does say, lawful for
you to marry a woman of the.
So woman never include man in Arabic. Never.
When I say woman, it never includes man.
When I say man, it can include woman.
Do you understand?
Do you understand or not? When I say
man, many a time it can include women.
But when I say woman, it can never
include men.
Even in English language. When I say chairwoman,
can it include chairman? No. When I say
chairman, can be chairperson.
When I say mankind, can be human can.
When I say woman, does that does it
be man's. Right?
Does it mean? Okay. Yeah. I mean Even
in English language. When I say woman, a
man will never be included. When I say
man, many a time women are included.
Though in the woman, the man is there.
W o m a n. In writing, man
is included in woman but not in meaning.
When you write w m a n, man
is included in the women.
Theoretically but not practically. The same in Arabic,
whenever the gender male is used, many a
time it includes both. But never ever when
female is used, man is included. Coming? Now
coming to the point, what is the reason?
So your logic cannot be applied in any
language. Neither English,
neither Arabic,
neither Chinese also hopefully.
Okay. Now coming to the logic, you have
to ask me why and I'll give you
the answer.
The reason is,
first of all, I differ
with the majority of the scholars on this
statement
about women allowed.
That we'll discuss later. I'll come to your
main point why man is allowed to marry
a woman
but why not a Muslim woman allowed. The
reason is that when a man
marries a woman, the woman leaves the house
and comes to the man's house. Normally.
Now if you marry,
Jews and Christians, the Christian believes in all
the prophet from Adam
up to Jesus, peace be upon him. We
tell the Christian, you believe one more. That's
prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. And we
as Muslims cannot
degrade any prophet of the Christians.
What we say? From Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses,
Isaac,
Jesus. We believe in all. Peace be upon
them all. We say believe in one more.
So the woman who comes from the Christian
family to the Muslim family, she's not hurt.
She has to believe in an additional prophet.
If a Jewish comes, she believes in all
the prophet from Adam, peace be upon him,
Moses, peace be upon him.
We say
believe
it. 2 more, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be
upon him. It's easy.
Now, if I take the vice versa. If
a Muslim woman goes to a Christian man's
home,
that Christian doesn't believe in prophet Muhammad, peace
be upon him. Though he should, according to
the bible, he does not. So when she
goes to a Christian house,
she will be insulted.
Do you understand?
I understand your point, Doctor. I have not
completed my answer yet. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Carry on. Sorry. Yeah.
So here, because of that, if a Muslim
woman goes,
she will not be allowed to follow Islam.
So that's the reason one way is allowed
for a woman to come is allowed, but
for a Muslim woman to go is not
allowed. I further
disagree with the majority of the scholars.
This was of the Quran of Surah Mydha
chapter 5 verse number 5 says, lawful for
you the food of the
and the women of the who are modest.
But there's one more verse in the Quran
in chapter
2 verse 221 which says that you cannot
marry an idolatress
until she believes.
A believing woman, even if she's a born
woman, is much better than idolatress
Even if she allows you. She may be
a beauty queen. She may be the richest
woman in the world. She may be the
most beautiful woman in the world. To marry
a slave woman who's a believer, who's a
Muslim is far superior to marry an idolatress
even if she allows you. And the verse
continues that do not marry an idolater
until he believes.
A slave man who's a Muslim is a
believer is far superior to
later even if he allows you. He may
be the most handsome man in the world.
He may be the richest man in the
world. A slave man who's a believer is
far superior.
This is the verse of the Quran. Now
one more verse of the Quran of Surah
Maidah, chapter number 5, verse number 72 says,
They are in kuf. Those who say that
Jesus, son of Mary is Allah.
They are in kuf.
So one verse of the Quran says you
can marry from the alikita,
who are modest. One verse of the Quran
says you cannot marry those who do kuf,
those who do shirk. Another verse of the
Quran says to remind the chapter 5 verse
7 to 73 that they are doing kuf.
Those who say Jesus, son of Mary, is
almighty God.
Based on this, you cannot marry a Elikitab
girl
who says that Jesus is God.
Who can you marry?
It says that, oh, you Muslim, they are
the best of people evolved for mankind. Enjoy
in what is good and forbid what is
wrong and believe in Allah. And the verse
continues.
If the people of the book had faith,
it would have been better for them. Among
the,
there are some who are believers, who are
women.
But the majority of Farsik people are transgivers.
So according to me,
there cannot be a contradiction in the Quran.
When the Quran says you can marry women
from the Alikitaab, one must say you cannot
marry those who do shirk, also they partner
with God. One verse says that those who
say Jesus is God are doing shirk.
But one verse says, there are among who
are mohmin.
That means today, there are certain Christians, they
are called Unitarian, not Unitarian.
Majority of the Christian are Unitarian. They believe
in triune God, which is not allowed in
Quran.
Don't say.
This is probably better for you.
Chapter number 4, verse number 171.
According to me, you can only marry those
just girls
who are Jews and Christian, who don't do
shirk, who don't believe Jesus is God, and
believe in one true God. Not any Mary,
Sheila,
anyone.
So I differ with the majority
because I'm a student of comparative religion.
The majority of the scholars say you can
marry any girl from. I said, no. You
can only marry that who is a woman.
Otherwise, there will be contradiction.
So I believe only those
those girls, those women who believe in one
God and don't believe Jesus is God.
So based on that, I differ. And as
I told you, does allow a man to
marry a who believes in one God, but
does not allow the vice versa because
that girl when she goes to a Christian
or Jewish Awadh, the prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam will be degraded. They don't believe in
it. So how can you continue?
You can't continue having a vehicle, one tire
of a tractor and one of a bicycle.
Coming to your question that you post earlier,
that I'm happy to say I'm Muslim. I'm
happy to say I'm a Christian.
It sounds good. But for a person who
has knowledge, it sounds contradictory.
See, when I said,
if Christian means
following the teachings of Jesus Christ,
I am more Christian than the Christian themselves.
But normal terminology of Christian means a person
who worship Christ.
The
normal terminology, majority of the Christians, they say
that Jesus is God. So So you say
I'm a Muslim. I'm a Christian. It contradicts.
The moment you say Jesus is God, you
can't be a Muslim.
So that's the reason when you use words.
If you know what does it mean. If
you say Christian means following teaching of Christ,
that means you're a Muslim only. But if
you say Christian means the person who worship
Christ, you can never be a Muslim.
You can't say, I have got 10 rupees,
and then tomorrow, you will say that I
have got more than 100 rupees. I meant
the original spirit. I don't believe Jesus is
son of God. Correct. That means you're not
like a normal Christian. Very good. Then if
you say you're a Muslim, I can accept
you.
Very good. That's the reason when you do
comparative religion. I'm very careful. When I say
I'm a Hindu, geographically, I'm a Hindu. At
the same time, I say, if you say
Hindu is a person who idol worship, I'm
not a Hindu. I make it clear. I
don't try and butter everyone. You understand? So
same way if you say you're a Muslim.
Muslim means a person who submits evil to
God, who believe there's one God, who believe
that God has got no image, who does
not believe in idol worship, and who believes
prophet Muhammad is the last and final messenger.
Whether do you believe there's one God? Yes.
Do you believe God has got no image?
Yes. Do you believe idol worship is wrong?
Yes. Do you believe prophet Muhammad is the
last and final messenger?
I mean, according to the Quran, it states
so. Yes. So I I believe in that
in that standpoint, I believe. Allah, so if
you believe
that
God is 1,
and if you believe
idol worship is wrong, and if you believe
that prophet Muhammad is a messenger of God,
then you're a Muslim.
Then you're qualified to be a Muslim.
You can
become more and more practicing later on. But
if you agree with the basic, these
two things are basic required for a person
to enter Islam.
After that, the other practices will come slowly
and slowly. So if you agree there is
one word and if you say, I know
worship is wrong and if you believe Prophet
Muhammad is the messenger of God, you are
a Muslim. And then I agree with you
when you said that Jesus is not God,
then I surely agree with you that you
can be qualified to become a Muslim.
That that is that's what I meant when
I say I agree with you. I want
to be a good Muslim. Good Christian. When
I say I I can be a good
Christian.
For under teaching, the true teachings of Jesus.
Like me. Like me. Very good. I'm with
you. In order to be a good Christian.
Yeah. What what I meant that that is
why I take the trouble to go some
background just to clarify that, you know, we
have to,
encourage everyone to go back to their original
spirit and the truth Correct. Of this all
the religious texts. But the woman Not not
the majority of what the followers Very good.
Very good. Of the majority Very good. I
agree with you. Saying it correctly. I agree
with the majority is not always right. I
agree with you. You have to follow the
scripture, not the church. Yes. Whether now what
you said in English that I'm a Muslim,
I said, would you like to say it
in Arabic?
No.
Would you like to say in Arabic that
there's one God
and prophet Muhammad is a messenger of God?
No. I think, just to borrow the words
of prophet Tariq Ramadan. He says very, professor
Tariq Ramadan. Pro Tariq Ramnan. Yeah. Yeah. I
happen to attend one of his sessions. I
think he said it very correctly. He said
he has no problem with Islam, but only
some Muslims.
He has no problem with other religious texts.
No bible or sutras or Vedas in original
form. Just like you you said, you know.
Right? They believe in the one Correct. Or
one God. But it's the the followers, The
majority of them right now. Correct. Same thing.
I'm not here to defend the Muslims.
Every community of black sheep. I'm here to
talk about Islam.
And when you want to follow Islam, don't
look at the Muslim, look at the Quran.
Yes. Correct. But I'm asking you that once
you believe there is one God, and you
believe that idol worship is wrong, and you
believe that prophet Muhammad is a messenger of
God. This is basic to gain entry into
the school.
Entry into the school first standard, then you
may become second, 3rd, 4th later on. What
I'm asking you, would you like to admit
yourself to the school of Islam?
Doctor. Zakir Naid,
based on verse,
48, my eda, I think, Allah or God
has made it so clear that it it's
not His will. You know, He's like, if
if if I or so will, make you
a single people, but that's not His plan.
So in other words, Allah knows best and
all knowing, he does not want to. That
that was of the Quran. If he wanted,
you could have made everyone believe. Then where
is the test? If the teacher says, if
I want, I can pass everyone. Then no
one will study. So Allah is telling, for
him to make everyone believe is very easy.
But because this is the test as I
quoted the verse of Surah Muul chapter 60
then verse number 2. Allah
It is Allah who has created death and
life to test which of is good indeed.
If he makes everyone believe, then where is
the test? He's already created that creation, the
angels.
The angels always follow Almighty God. But the
human beings
with giving a free will, if they follow
Allah's commandment, they are superior to the angels.
If after free will they disobey, then they
go lower than the angels. In this aspect,
I would rather
interpret this passage
as,
differentiation between the people of the book and
the moose raccoons.
That means the idolators. I haven't come to
your second question yet. People of the book.
Okay. Your question of people of the book,
I haven't come to it yet. Yeah. That's
your second question. I answered the first question,
and I've given comments on what you spoke
before asking the question. The people of the
book haven't come to it yet.
Okay. Can can I can I just,
sum up on 2 common points that we
share in common? Number 1, I think you
agree, that
most of the time, if not all the
time, when Quran or any other text that
we see, you know, in those, culture, language
culture, even today, you know, when you talk
about a man, it will also include a
woman.
Right? But that answer I gave you now,
brother. Yeah. Are you not coming by the
same question? Did you forget my answer? No.
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
No. I agree. I just wanna confirm But
when you say woman, the man is not
included. I mean,
allow me to to go a little bit
further. I'm not answering your second question. You're
asking me a third question. Because the The
model are told 1 question at a time.
First, you gave a speech which I had
to comment on. Then you asked first question.
Then you asked second question. After unanswered the
second question, you're asking me third question.
I don't get don't get me wrong. I'm
not getting you wrong. I'm getting you right.
But the moderator said one question at a
time. Go behind the queue. I will answer
your second question. I would love to answer.
I'll be here. Even if everyone goes, I'll
be here. I promise you. Yeah. Thank you
so much. But let me answer your second
question.
You can go beyond the other non Muslim.
I will be here. I will not leave.
But the first question,
can I I yet have to answer the
second question of yours? Oh, but So don't
you want the answer for that?
Oh. Are the Buddhist?
I have not answered that. Did you get
the answer? Okay.
Okay.
Okay. I can understand your standpoint. I have
not yet given the answer. How can you
understand? Can you read my mind?
I have
not
started my answer.
Doctor. Zakir,
I'm referring to the first, answer that you
gave to my first question. So you have
spoken, so I think I know what you
said. Because all the audience know what you
said. So what's the first answer? 2nd answer,
where have I given? Because the first answer,
I beg to differ in certain areas. So
can you allow me to to to give
my viewpoints?
I mean, to be, yeah. At the end
of the queue. I love. At the end
of the queue. I'll give the second answer
then go behind the queue. I would love,
but then there are about 7, 8,000, 10000
people here. 4000 in the auditorium, 6,000 outside.
So you can go behind the queue. I'll
just give the answer to your second question.
The second question you post that can we
consider
the Buddhist to be.
In Arabic means people of the book.
Means book.
Also means revelation. It can be people of
the revelation. In that way, even we have
a book. Even the Muslims are.
But the terminology used in the Quran
specifically
refers to Jews and Christian and no one
else.
Is the word meaning people of the book.
But in context of the Quran, it only
refers to Jews and Christians. We have many
prophets. But when the Quran says, oh prophet,
tell your wife and the believer. It means
only one prophet. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
him.
So if you know the language, you can
understand that when the Quran says, oh prophet
do this. It is only referring to the
last and final prophet Muhammad and not the
earlier prophets. Similarly,
people of the book. Even Muslim are people
of the book.
In
in definition.
But when Quran says, Alikitaab, it does not
refer to Muslims. It only refers to Jews
and Christians. So at the time of the
prophet, this
idiom,
was only used for Jews and Christians. No
one is. There are many other people who
have got revelation. There are many other religions
which I've got book. But in the Quran,
it refers to only Jews and Christians. No
one
is. It's very clear cut. If you know
if you know Because
if you read the commentary by, our learner,
professor.
Forget about commentary. I'm talking about the text.
I'm talking about the text you're talking about.
It depends on how you interpret.
It depends how you interpret. Whether you interpret
it, you say the literal or you say
the I'm asking. The interpretation of the Quran.
If you say, yeah,
come to come in terms. That means all
Muslim come to come in terms. What does
it mean?
If I say you can marry a woman
from the
Muslim also. So that means you cannot marry
a man from.
Man is Muslim also. So that's the reason
if I use your logic, there'll be contradiction
in the Quran. So which commentary you're following?
I don't know. The commentary should match with
the text of the Quran. If the commentary
doesn't match with the text of the Quran
and gives you a different meaning, you reject
that commentary. This is my answer for the
next question. You can go behind the queue.
last Please go behind the queue, please.
last Please go behind the queue, please.