Debate with an American Atheist
Channel: Zakir Naik
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Hello Dr. Zakir Naik, my name is Harrison from Phoenix, Arizona in the United States, men entrepreneur and a marketing manager. Two of my friends in America have converted, watching YouTube videos of you. One of them a Christian, one of them in atheists.
One of my friends presented me with how to deal with an atheist DVD of yours, which I did watch. But that didn't answer my question. And I've asked this question to a lot of people with no satisfactory answer or said a lot of intelligent people. Of all the scholars that I've ever watched on YouTube. In my opinion, you are the most rational, logical, easy to understand kind of scholar that I've ever come across my life.
And it is really important that this question is answered, because I've never had a satisfactory answer for this question. My question is like a coin with two sides. The first side of it is this. And this is a question. I'm somewhere between an atheist and agnostic, I'm not sure where
God has created this entire universe. And the Quran speaks a lot about how it has taken so many days and mountains and this and that, and life is going to be a test and whatnot. My question is,
way before God decided to create this entire universe before he decided to put human beings before he decided to send Prophet Muhammad or Adam and Eve, way before he even planned about doing any of this, he knew the end result of it, he knows, in the end, he will be disappointed by certain people, and he will throw them in the Hellfire he knows they will be burning, he knows they will be tortured. And that is that is when they will be repenting for what they've done. Way before He created the entire universe, He knows the outcome is gonna be bad. It may be good for certain people who are in heaven, but he knows that he can save those people from being in hell way before he even
decided to go ahead with the creation, yet he decides to go ahead with it with all his godly logic. Why would he want to do that? The question if I can just put it in this manner? How can God be so sadistic that he would actually go ahead with a plan which he knows is going to end up in that manner? That's the first side of the coin. The second side of the coin is for some reason if I believe that, okay, God is all Almighty and He understands everything is great, God is great. Why is God insisting in the Quran? That look at the mountains, look at the protons, the electrons this and that everything is so synchronized, how amazing I am. Why is it forcing us to find his creation
amazing, when it is a piece of cake for God? I mean, he just had to say, Kuhn, and it was done, then why is it a big deal of God has made this entire universe which is so amazing, because for God, it's nothing. So I should not be really amazed at His creation, he can do much more than this. So I do not understand why he wants us to respect what he's done or find it amazing what he has done.
The road asked a very good question, and a very intellectual question. A very good question. And yes, seen some of my tapes on YouTube, even of atheism? And this question that is troubling him, he hasn't got the answer to the question. That Almighty God knows everything. Before he created the heavens and the earth before He created human being, even if one person goes to hell, hell, he could have avoided that. And he could avoid being disappointed. Of course, I'll reply, the brother said, even if one person goes to hell, it is as though God would be disappointed.
Now coming to your question, I started school, I started a school. And you may have heard Islamic International School. If a teacher takes an examination.
If she's just
while she is giving the examination, she writes in the maths paper two plus two is equal to how much the student in front of her or him the teacher, right five, she can very well tell the student change five to four.
Would it be just on the teacher during the test and examination? To correct a student who's writing a wrong answer? If she has an option that the student doesn't need to do any of that? No, no, no, no, I'm asking you a simple question. I must use a simple question. The teacher has given the question paper all the students right for that particular situation was bad particular situation the teacher can tell their student change five to four, what will the other students think about unjust I can be just at the same time he did he can create a complete completely different condition. He doesn't have to go over that situation. He's not bound by any situation. But other thing God
Almighty God can create something which is perfect.
Satan will not make mistakes right? That God has already done, he created angels. God created the angels, the angel never go against any commandment of God. But human being is a better creation than Angel. The angels have got no free will of their own. If you have heard my tapes if we have not done I'll tell you now, the angels are a creation of Almighty God but not the best creation. Almighty God created the human beings, the human being never free will to go against God or to follow God. If you have chosen to be a human being, if you disobey His commandments, you go to hell, if you obey his commandments, you're superior than the angel. Because the angel doesn't have a free will of his own.
Then he follows God it's nothing great. The human beings are the better creation of Almighty God, Almighty God has given a free will. That's a different question that Almighty God knows, because he has ill Meighen he has knowledge of the future, he is more superior. So he has created such a creation which are the Free Will the fault is of human being not God. No, but God has created us with that fault. And he knows not fault it's not fault Brother, it is free will. Why is he given us a free lunch? He knows he's gonna eventually put these many people in hell, why is he doing something that was a different creation? That would you want to create something which can think on
its own? Or would you want to someone so compassionate peace can tell you what you want what has already created an angel? I'm asking you which is better, an angel following Almighty God or a human being following Almighty God, which is better for me? Absolutely. If I get a second chance, I would want to be an angel. Why would I risk? Correct. That's why Almighty God says in Surah iraf, chapter number seven, verse number 172. Almighty God bought all the human beings from the line of Adam and Adam is the man God all agreed. Almighty God says in Surah Harsha. Chapter 59, verse number 21. If Almighty God revealed the Quran, on the mountain, the mountain would shatter down. Almighty God says
in Surah HAZOP chapter 30 Verse number 32. It is the human being you will fools who said we want to be human being you and you and I were fools. Now you can under attack. Once you said you want to appear for the test. Once you read the test paper, nobody asked me that they asked Adam and Eve Nova the Quran says every human being was asked and then it is washed off. This memory is washed off. If the memories evade the test, Almighty God says in the Quran, do you want to be a human being? If you become a human being you can become superior to an angel, or can get inferior? If you don't want to become a human being just pass easily for argument's sake. Let me complete. You ask the question.
I will answer Sure go ahead. So Almighty God asked the human beings and the Quran says V human beings are fools you and I both will fools who opted for the test? No, once you undergo a test, if you follow the commandment after free, will you be superior to an angel? If you disobey Allah, you become inferior to an angel. We wanted to pass with distinction una. Una. You told I don't remember. Of course you will not remember. And when I don't remember. But I believe in the Quran. On the Day of Judgment, Almighty God faith, not a single human being will object to the justice of Allah. That will come to know on the day of the only thing will say, please give us one more chance Almighty God
will say it's too late. Because if he wants to give you a new chance to come back in the world again.
Again, everyone, so those who failed, he can get only the failures. So the Quran says no one will ever object on the justice of Allah. They will request Allah give us one more chance Almighty God is it too late. Almighty God gives us chances in this world itself. You make a mistake, Allah gives a chance to repent, you repent, Allah forgives you, again, you make a mistake, all the ones you die. It's only one. So as far as the first question is concerned, why did God create because it's a better creation, any logical person, including you has to agree that a person who has a free will is a better creation than a person who has no free will. Only a question you do remember is perfectly
right. When you die when you're resurrected, that then you and I will meet. Then you will say I remember even I don't remember now but I have faith in the Quran that Quran cannot be wrong because scientifically if you heard my lecture,
IT person of the Quran is 100% matching with science 20% is ambiguous neither right neither wrong. So my logic says when 80% is 100% Correct, and not even point one person of the 20 person is wrong. So my logic says even destroying the person would be right. I'm a scientific person. I'm a logical person. So I believe in the statement of the Quran that we chose
If you wouldn't have chosen you could have questioned God. Why did you make me a human being? Then God would have been at fault. But God says in the Quran he asked the mountains of afraid. Everything is afraid V human beings opted for this. Do you remember being asked? I don't remember being asked. But if you heard my answer, even I don't remember. But if you remember the very the test,
imagine if a teacher teaches you something.
teacher teaches you something. Teacher gives you the book, the teacher has to take away the book for the test. If the teacher says okay, take the book and answer. Where is the test? Okay, but what?
After the exam is over, you can go home and check on the even before the exam again.
Listen to me, after the examination over can you go and check home or not in the textbook? Absolutely. But during the examination, Daniel check. No. So now the examination is going on brother. Once it is over, you can check
I want to see the textbook, I don't remember no. During the examination, you cannot refer to the textbook it will be called cheating.
So once the examination is over, if you don't remember, you tell God what is is illogical. But Quran says Not a single human being will object to the justice. Let the tell.
So today I being a scientific person, I being a logical person based on my knowledge of science, based on my logic, when I read the scriptures, I'm gonna read the Quran, I find Quran is the only book only religious scripture on the face of the earth which passes the test. So therefore, I being a scientific person, being a logical person, I agree. Okay, fine. This statement of the Quran also has to be right. I don't remember that the test if I remember where is the test?
That answers the first part of the question.
First part, that thing that God was say dished
God is not finished. For example, I started medical college.
I want the school students to go to medical, how many students who go to school, enter the medical college. Just roughly Can you guess a few? Surely less than 5%?
Less than maybe 1%?
So oh, why did you make a college only one person can enter? Fine. It is for selected few. Say May God made heaven. Jana genitive for those. Everyone cannot go to the field goes. Why not? Sorry. Why not? Why can't every Why can't everyone go to medical college because as human capacity if humans were capable of being able to make a college they would that we are made to say me Everyone cannot become a doctor. Only those who have the capacity say May everyone cannot go to Jonathan Rose the high levels of paradise. We have to strive God has given you capacity. If you don't follow His guidance, you cannot if we follow His guidance to go to Jana, very easy.
If you're intelligent, it very if you're intelligent, and if you're truthful to yourself. But if you're not truthful to yourself, even a non intelligent manual, Jana, only thing you should be truthful.
God has given you different options. How to follow him. Some people think they're smart.
I tell them the extra Smart. If they were smart, they would see it is crystal clear. In black and white, that this is a word of God you have to follow it. That Verizon, Francis Bacon said little knowledge of science makes you an atheist. in depth knowledge of science makes you a believer in God.
So I wouldn't say God is sadist. I sent Viva fools who opted to undergo the test.
Not God. God gave you an option.
What do you want to be videos for we are responsible not God. God did not say this. We are fools that for the Quran fail on the day of the admin you will come to know in sha Allah una both. Inshallah, if I go to Jana Inshallah, inshallah I will pray to God as Thank God you know our the good person that used to be a human being, if you put that if you fail, then we will cut our own self hope that answers the question the second part. So the order the second part, that even if I believe how Almighty He is how knowledgeable he is, why is he so bent on convincing us look at the mountains look at the electrons look at the protons. The second part of the question was that Why
does Almighty God give references of the mountain that is created this for him it is peanuts to why the talking? You know why the thing? He thinks these peanut things mountain? They would shudder you You made me with superior Why don't you understand? Quran says
Surah Hashem chapter 15 And verse number 21 had the Quran mean revealed on the mountain, the mountain will have fallen down
to utter ruin. But to us human mean it means no defeat, giving the example to show that these things which are so powerful, the mountain the set of witches created would have submitted devil. Why don't you You mean me too. He's trying to give me an example, that we are fools. He's not trying to praise himself. And whenever we pass along to praise him, or when he says, For this, Allahu Akbar,
God is the greatest, do you think it will change Allah know, where they say 1000 times Allah Akbar, or a million times, he cannot become greater is already the greatest. The reason we feel these things is because it is our human mentality, our human nature, that we follow the people who are famous, we follow the people who we praise, for example, your mother had a heart attack.
There's a known person on the street who gives you the treatment. And you heard that the best heart specialist in the world is Dr. X.
Now will you follow Dr. X's advice? Or the person on the street who you don't know Dr. X? Why google doc Texas famous people know him. He's the best in the world, to the reason in our salah. In our life. We say Allah Akbar, Allah The Greatest, Allah is the most wise, Allah is the most intelligent way. If we say that it doesn't benefit Allah, it benefits us. That if we pray them, we follow Him. If we follow we go to Jannah to Allah, it makes no difference.
Therefore Allah says, Will you not didn't believe really not and understand that the Quran is revealed to the people for understanding. So he's giving you the example not to make himself great. He's always the greatest. Whether we say a million times Allah is the Greatest, it will not make a difference to Allah. He's telling it to you. Allah says in the Quran, Allah does not require you, you require him. So when we pray them, it is human psychology, that the person who prays person you talk great about you tend to follow their life by following that advice, it will benefit you will not benefit him. He is always the greatest. He's always the Merciful. So these are rules and
regulation laid down here our Creator, He knows our mindset. You are a student of science, correct. I'm also strand of science, the moment they come to know, Allah mentioned the scientific fact which we came to know today. 50 years back, it increases my faith in Allah. Allah says in surah fusina Chapter 41 was 53 Sunnery my Athena fella faki Buffy, unforeseen hot. Dieter byowner. Nala soon wishes for them over signs in the furthest regions of the horizons and into the soul, and literally clear to them that this is the truth. So Allah is giving me the example so that it benefits us. For him. It makes no difference.
It is benefiting us. So He is giving us the chance
to follow Him so that we can go to heaven. I hope that answers the question. I recognize his power. And I understand he is amazing and all that that he has done. But am I expected to be amazed at his achievements at creating this universe? Because for me, for him, it's like a one second job. Right? So for him was the one second job when he tells you not to call if you should be amazed at his creation? No. See, the thing is that he's not there to prove himself better. If you believe that for him. It is peanuts. So will a person lie? No. So if you say Don't ever call, you will not question don't fo you will not question. But I'm not amazed at his creation because for him, it's nothing
compared to us. It's amazing. For him. It's nothing right? But compared to us a person who can create the universe, when he tells me not to have alcohol, I immediately follow
following him, but do I have to be amazed at His creation, as I said in the Quran, see, as you asked me the code, should I be amazed at the creation, right? I would say if I believe human being in a better creation, then yes, I'm amazed. And then along with Allah, He has made me better than that. So if I'm amazed, he made the mountains He made the stars he made the sun. Ah, but he made Zakir Naik also he made a human being and we are the best of creation. So he gives these examples so that we realize what benefit he has given to us. All the favor they've given to us. Talking about the science talking about the protons talking about the mountains, finally says human beings are the
best creation. So in comparison, we have to agree that our Creator has created this human body the moral
Excuse the DNA, the complex thing, which can never come by chance. For in this way, we are amazed at the creation of the human being. And then we submit to Him.
If you're not amazed, only by being amazed, we submit that he is our Creator, He is worth worshiping. No one else can do that. This is so that we worship Him. And we pass the test and we go to paradise. Hope that answers the question. If Bill Gates gives me $100 Should I be amazed that he has given me that money? I believe that the question has been answered and unfortunately we are very constricted for time you are welcome to come back tomorrow. Insha Allah as with all of the brothers and sisters, we have come to the end of tonight's session. So please, I really knew that it will get give you $100
Will you get amazed? Brother? The question is, why should bill get give you $100?
If you tell me, a Tom, Dick and Harry give you $100 Nothing to be Bill Gates. Give me $100
It's something that he gave you Why did he give you somebody else? Why? The question is why did he give you is a question.
If some Tom Dick and Harry give you if a man on the street gave
Got it. I got that for now. Yes, absolutely. That is the answer for insha Allah I hope
that you come closer to Islam. So I should not be amazed at the fact that he's given me the money I should be amazed his hand was given the money. Oh, humbling.
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