Channel: Yasir Qadhi
Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi sheds light on an academic perspective to the scholars and activists present encouraging them to overcome the Salafi-Ashari divide of intra-Sunni Islam.
In a discussion that delves on historical and modern aspects, the Shaykh contemplates on these strands of Sunnism dating back to the 3rd Islamic century, during the time of Imam Ahmad b. Hanbal and his contemporary Imam al-Muhasibi. In the modern era, the Shaykh argues the pros and cons of their unity and disparity.
All in all, this essential talk focuses on brotherhood and unity amongst groups that have been historically agitated since time immemorial.
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our session with our beloved chief. She Asad alcalde, and she met and Dr. Ahmed Abu and we are discussing a very important and tackling a very important issue that the Imams and the shields are facing the West, which is dealing with the different ideologies in our way of Dawa. So this is a very important topic that every shift is in need for, because we are and we know that people are not the same. And as a imams issue, we always face different ideologies. And people come even with their ideologies from different countries, and they try to practice within the West. And this makes a lot of corruption sometimes and sometimes it's caused a lot of ignorance and cause a lot of ignorance in
the communities. So inshallah if he so we'll tackle this matter and inshallah we will open the discussion and as we always mentioned, please inshallah, be and follow the rules so we'll have a successful session in sha Allah, does Akuma level hire on May Allah make us
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So that was Salam ala rasulillah. Ernie, he will be here woman. What about the topic that we have at hand is of course the topic of dealing with different groups, different sex, different trends in Islam, and some of the rulings that we should be aware of as we engage in this rather tricky and contentious issue. Two papers were submitted to Amgen for this particular conference, the first of them by my esteemed colleague, Dr. Ahmed Mustafa baru, which dealt with the topic from a methodological angle, and the second by myself dealt with it from somewhat of a historical angle. And I'm going to summarize both of the papers and then offer some concluding remarks before we open
the floor for discussion and dialogue. Dr. ignites paper, After defining some key terms, immediately jumped to the key factor that both papers agree on, which is that Islamic unity is not only an Islamic gold is not only a mcsa charity, it is also a necessary social reality if we wish to thrive. Yet as he pointed out at times, scholars and activists themselves are the dis uniting factor, because of various issues such as he said, stubbornness and cleaning to personal opinions, not being aware of 50 differences, not being aware of the causes that brought about different perspectives of Islam, Dr. De Marte emphasized that of the most important
elements to bring about unity was the taqwa of Allah. And this sincere desire to bring about unity between Muslims, along with humbleness and humility to acknowledge the possibility of personal error. And I point out that this is extremely significant, because almost all of the points that Dr. Emad mentioned more of a spiritual and a flowkey. nature does hinting at the root cause of most disunity is stemming from the diseases of the heart and not actual problems or issues. When the hearts want to unify, when the hearts have the greater goal of wanting Islamic unity, then actually unity is a much more closer possibility. Dr. Emma then moves on to discuss some of the issues of
cooperating with what he called the liberal or the progressive strand of Islam. And he states that the conditions we find ourselves in, necessitate upon us to a great extent that we participate in conferences and stand in platforms that would have people that we fundamentally disagree with. He stated a very key rule, and that is that it is not necessary to speak out against every evil at every point in time. And he says this is very clear, from this era of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and from the actions of the righteous predecessors, that it is allowed to participate in events that bring about a greater good, even if one is cooperating with people who have theological
views, whom we fundamentally disagree with. And of course, he quotes many such instances, they helpful for lawyers, of course, the classic even constitutive for davia, in which the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that I swear by the one who has sent me with the truth, they can demand any condition from me, that will respect the shedding of Allah, and I will give it to them. The fact that the profits of the long run he was setting them took help from multimillion ID and many other examples. He also mentioned examples from the Sahaba. And the setup. And the paper concludes that yes, of course, we do need to be careful about some issues of them is that under no
circumstances, can anything that we do be a direct support of any falsehood, we cannot advocate a position that is an Islamic, even if we stand on a platform where other people on other platforms are advocating things, but we cannot advocate anything that is an Islamic nor, and I'd like this point to learn from his paper. nor can we have a two faced approach such that we have one position on one platform and another position on another platform, we have to be methodology methodologically consistent in our own positions and viewpoints. My own paper moving on to the second paper is actually a section out of my PhD dissertation that I presented to Yale. And the title of the
dissertation was reconciling reason and revelation and the writings of Ibn taymiyyah. And the first 100 pages of this dissertation was actually a survey about the historical Rise of the school, and why it became the dominant School of the Mamelukes such that even taymiyah concentrated so much of his time writing about the Sharia. And the section that you have in front of you is in fact, just 20 pages out of that 100. And it summarizes some of the earliest differences in what would eventually become the center fee and the shoddy divide. And I mentioned that these tensions existed, even during the time of the mount Mohamad himself, because contemporaneous demand was implemented and
what has to be. And there was a minor dispute between Mr. Mohamad and then what has to be, and I mentioned this in the paper, as well in the next generation, even hoceima had a dispute with his students over the issue of NFC. And this too, is recorded in our books. And the third incident that I went into detail was the biography of Mr. Shadi himself, I would have said initially, and the fact that when he entered but that he actually publicly proclaimed he is a follower of him, I'm humble, and he wanted to ingratiate himself with the HANA beta, but he was rebuffed by the shameful Hana beta of that of his time. And that is Albert Buhari, and that caused some tensions as well now, and
you can read the papers directly. One of the main goals of my paper was to show that the origins of the Center for a shadowy divide actually go back to the times of Mr. McDermott himself, and that both of these strands can find precedents in the timeframe of people who championed views that would later develop into the mainstream theological schools that they now are. My research beyond this paper also demonstrated the organic development of both of these schools. In other words, both the sad and the Ashanti creed evolved and developed over time. And in the beginning, there was no clear divide between Shiite Islam and Methodism.
You have fingers in the first century and a half of these feet and you have figures that straddle both sides of the line, such as a moment may have been, historically speaking, it was only after an incident that is called the fitna of a shady that took place in the fourth century above that, that the two strands of nationalism and Methodism truly parted and divided ways. Up until that point in time, they really were considered one school against the Morteza. And by the time even taymiyah came along, a shadow ism had become the dominant trend of the scholarly elites. And my dissertation showed that the primary cause of this was the persona of almond milk. Almond Milk was of course the
Vizier of the surgeon, and he was a friend and a student of amount of azali. And particular a student remember joining and Miss almond milk decided to adopt the Kazanjian vision of Islam. And he basically incorporated of Azadi and vision of Islam into the network of mentors that he founded across the Muslim Empire called then Islamia. And then insomnia was the first institution of its time in the entire world, where you had eight universities with the same curriculum with many professors, where the students were paid and the teachers were paid. And people would graduate from the Islamia and become Imams, all these movies. So what happened was, these eight institutions
became a domino effect the chain reaction over the course of the next century and a half that caused autism to supplant combat ism as the dominant trend of Sunni Islam. Now, some concluding thoughts, the divide of Sunni Islam into these various strands is a historical one that goes back at least 12 centuries, there are those in our times, who wish to further the divide, who wish to exacerbate the tensions between these strands who wish to emphasize the differences between these two strands. But I feel and I'm positive, Dr. emoto feels the same way based on his paper, that this is a very shallow and dangerous and counterproductive vision because of the reality of our situation. Why is
this the case? Firstly, these labels that we many time project on the other are actually projections of our own biases. The lived realities of these schools is not the book reality. And many times when we accuse somebody else of being an ad, or a hobby or a selfie, we are projecting our biases onto the person, and the person himself or herself does not actually believe what we believe they believe. If you find something in a book, if Rosie said something, or even taymiyah said something, it doesn't mean that the average person that claims to follow them is following everything in that book. Secondly, these controversies are historical to their times and places. And the fact of the
matter, which we really need to understand is that these controversies have lost much, if not all of their relevance in the current social context that we find ourselves in. If there are people in this auditorium who are enthusiastically debating the meaning of yet and sdwa. We need to understand that people outside of this auditorium, our young men and women are not debating over the surface of Allah, they are debating over the existence of Allah Subhana. Medina, if people in this auditorium are wanting to debate the legitimacy of the molad, or the lack of legitimacy, we need to understand our college kids are debating over the fiber neural pseudo loss of a loved one, I think it was send
them is a good one, or not a good one. So the fact of the matter is, we need to have a pulse on the status of the oma and a simple reality for those of you who admire even taymiyah. And I consider myself to be one of his main admirers, for those of you who who come to me and look at his books and Halloween and wants to attend Maria, what are these books? he is he is responding to questions that Muslims are writing to him from tadmor. From Watson from hammer. Imagine if he had been telling me I had been alive today. He would be writing a Chicago area and a New York key and a data sia and the questions from Chicago and Dallas in New York would not be the questions from tomorrow and from
Hammer of 800 years ago. So even taymiyah himself would not be writing what he wrote 7200 years ago, then why are we claiming to follow him so stubbornly clinging to issues that have lost their relevance and are of little concern to the human now, no doubt before you criticize this it is important at some level for some people of knowledge to understand these abstract doctrines, but the average Muslim of our times, especially our younger generations, is neither interested in nor responsible for comprehending the advanced
Issues of a smell suffered or for understanding the details of the morality of other. As long as the average Muslim affirms the generic belief in the theology of the Koran affirms the six pillars of a man, he or she is safe. Thirdly, sectarian lines are being redrawn as we speak by the social and political forces around us. And no longer do people care about abstract issues like to see facts. The reality of the modern world that we live in now is that if you are opposed to same sex relationships, if you wish that your daughter dresses modestly, if you wish that your son does not date and engage in premarital relations, then regardless of your position on the smallest effect,
regardless of whether you're selling for your superior Deobandi or to be aware of wanting, you are lumped in one group, and that is the group of backwardness, homophobia, have whatever they want to call it, that is now one group. They don't care about the the abstract doctrines that our grandfathers cared about. They care about social and ethical issues. And the fact of the matter is, all of us on these issues are on the same side of the line, to be even more blunt and precise, and I'm sorry for being controversial. But it must be said, in the Arab and Muslim world, the lines that are being drawn have nothing to do with ethics, or at either the lines of sectarianism that are
being drawn are now political. If you want to support dictators and tyrants, if you want to use your religious authority to legitimize boom, to legitimize oppression against innocent Muslims, if you want to give it to us that allow the indiscriminate killing of women and children, then Mashallah to boggle your moderate, you are mainstream, you are of the wasabia. And if you dare criticize those two viniculture Kumar, you are automatically labeled and happy. And with the terrorist, these are the modern sectarian lines that we need to be aware of, not the classical ones that may be even taymiyah, because it we're hashing out 800 or 700 years ago, frankly, when it comes to our stances
on the molad. It is utterly trivial compared to our stances on the sanctity of Muslim life, which is really where the political discourse is headed. So in light of all of these changes, in light of the Eastern and Western world realities, it goes against the goals of the Sharia, it goes against common sense, it goes against political wisdom, that we exacerbate tensions between righteous would be practicing Muslims who love Allah and His messenger and who want to benefit the oma based on historical differences of an abstract nature. Now, the final point and then we conclude that
it can be said that you know, your paper concentrated on the interests of the Divine challies in selfies, and I would venture that most of us in this room are very comfortable working together with various Sunni movements want to bring about unity as much as possible. Of course, the awkward question arises, how about non Sunni movements? How about the Shia? How about the progressive Muslims? How about other movements that are not within the interests in need divided? Here, I think it is very, very straightforward. And many of our seniors and elders have said this as well. That the Quran is very clear here, the maxim is very clear what to our ability with taqwa, why not to our
Adam, if meat when there was one, for every situation, there is a ruling. And there are times and circumstances where we cannot compromise, we must be strict, and we cannot cooperate with anybody. And there are times and circumstances where we can cooperate for various objectives. As we all know, at hamdulillah. In this room, this vow one is based on massage and facet and massage hammer facet to a certain degree, please underline that, please underline that, and don't hold me to task please underline this to a certain degree massage and the facet are relative and which are less than five minutes massage and the facet are relative. And that means that masala and Mufasa change from
society to context to situation to even people what might be in the Muslim of one person might not be in the midst of his or her neighbor. So if this is the case, then there must be a certain understanding even a certain tolerance of who we decide to cooperate with as long as we do not cooperate upon Boulton and for a bottle cause and we can and should understand and tolerate what I call circles of cooperation. Sometimes that circle will be extremely narrow, for example teaching. We cannot compromise whatever your school is, you're not going to call
Somebody of another upgraded to teach either in your institute, but how about building an Islamic school? How about building a Masjid? We're gonna make that circle wider. And we're gonna say, you know, we're not going to quiz you about your advanced issues of al Qaeda. Let's come together and pray together in one Masjid. If we believe in Allah and His Messenger, respect the Sahaba we have one mustard together. So we all come together for that. How about Islamophobia and battling against Donald Trump? In this case, we don't even care if you're Sunni, non Sunni, we will have tau one with people who might not even believe in the same God as us. But they are wanting freedoms for us to
worship Allah and His messenger and this is the syrup of the Prophet sallallahu I think he was setting them there's if we can cooperate if the prophets are seldom can cooperate with an idol worshipper, to bring about a greater good for the Ummah, then why would it be how long are an Islamic to get the help of non Sunni movements to get the help of secularists of liberals to get the help of those who are agnostic and atheist, to bring about our freedoms to worship Allah subhana wa Tada, we will have these circles of cooperation. The one who I stand with to battle against Donald Trump doesn't mean I have to invite him to come over to my Masjid. And we need to be a little bit
more understanding and tolerant. One of the things that really I find a bit amusing is that everybody assumes He is Mr. Mohammed, and that if I stand next to Fudan or Allah, my mere presence brings Baraka to everybody else. After you are not in my mind, neither am I. Right? The fact that you're standing next to another person is not your test skier for all of eternity for everything that he does. And this is why I said masala headless acid vary from person to person, Mr. Mohammed was, Mr. Mohammed, we are not to that level. And the fact that I'm standing next to a person, nobody in North America believes that my mere standing next to a person is a test skier for everything that
he does at all times in places when I stand next to my brother for any reason, what is the purpose? What is the banner, that banner, that's why I'm standing next to him. If that banner is volatile, I should not stand next, because I'm supporting him involved. But if that banner is good, if that banner is for the benefit of the owner, here is where we can apply diverse, what's our ability with tough work, what else? I wouldn't want a familiar with one. And I know that I have raised very generic points. And I know that there's a lot of discussion that does need to take place. So with that in Shall we open the floor for dialogue and discussion. And I will also ask my colleague and
friend to participate in the discussion.
Before we open discussion, as Dr. Yasser said, will have inshallah, few minutes with Dr. Mads, and then we'll open the discussion with the rules and the etiquettes that we agreed upon.
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something that you mentioned in your speech.
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Both both agree I know that a lot of the issues that we have go back to diseases which are in the hearts and yet at the same time you spoke about Muslims and attributes and some of these issues and you kept referring to them as abstract issues. But the reality is, you know, one of the main things that we know about the Quran and the Sunnah is that Allah subhanho wa Taala revealed these books revealed the Book for us to know Allah subhana wa at that I had to push he is the greatest verse in the Quran, and it is all about Allah subhanho wa Taala. So, these abstract concepts that you kept referring to as if they are secondary, or tertiary, the reality is inshallah The one who knows Allah
subhanaw taala properly and those of us run with the other the best, that person inshallah, this is going to affect that person's Amen. When it when effects that person's image, it affects his understanding and affects his behavior, it will answer some of the other questions that you had about whether or not they'll be progressive or homosexual, whatever, because they will have this attachment to Allah subhanaw taala data. And when you have this attachment to all this amount of data, you will have an attachment to the word of Allah subhanho wa Taala and to the Sunnah of his of his prophet. So I'm just concerned about the way you mentioned them as if they are abstract,
secondary or tertiary that we don't even need to worry about them at all anymore. The reality is they are knowing Allah subhanho wa Taala by his names and attributes is, is part of the key to having a proper Eman. It's part of the key to understanding Allah subhanho wa Taala properly. And if we want our hearts to be proper, so that we can follow the straight path, even in front of all the challenges that we have, we cannot just put these issues to the side and say that there are abstract. Now, of course, you were talking about more about getting into some of the details in the debates. I understand that but but I'm just saying the way you refer to them all as abstract. They
are not abstract, they are key to imagine an increased demand. And inshallah if people understood and knew all this data, we will not be having many of the issues that we're having. Now, among lower costs.
As you pointed out, this is the tale of love between the two of us. We're on the same wavelength here. When I said, these are abstract, I'm obviously not talking about her beloved knowledge of a lot. I'm talking about many of the controversies that took place in the seventh, eighth ninth century between these various strands of Sunni Islam. And I hope inshallah we all agree that whether you're an Shadi whether you're a selfie, you genuinely believe in Allah and love Allah subhana wa tada and want to worship Him. I'm not talking about a person who doesn't even know a lot is urgent and doesn't care to know a lot. I am definitely talking about many of the discussions that never
even occurred to the minds of the average Muslim of our times, unless and until they study advanced al Qaeda, whether they're instead of E books, where they're doing ebooks, where the fact of the matter is those issues, not ayatul kursi, which we can all agree the names of a lot that are found in the Quran and Sunnah. We affirm and believe. But when you get to understanding the CFIA, how exactly should we understand that to me, that should be the average Muslim of all school is at hamdulillah Island, fitrah. Island fitrah. And even those who study advanced The fact of the matter, you ask anybody without getting controversial, you ask anybody does a lot have Rama? Even the
shadiness? Of course he has, he's not going to say well actually matter Rama eroded, they're not going to get to that level because the person is on the fifth row. And the fifth row affirms a lot to be laser cavity shade. So obviously when I said controversial and abstract issues, I'm not talking about either coursing through the class, I'm talking about advanced theological debates that took place between these various strands of Sunni Islam. And frankly, if both sides stopped talking about it, it would not be a problem in our time because these are bygone controversies so open shallow we're clear on that that we are not I am definitely not referencing the organic is when they
come to describing a lot I'm talking about the controversy that took place of a nature that frankly does not increase our demand.
So for the brothers also want to ask in Arabic inshallah, so please inshallah go forward and ask so now we'll move to the sisters inshallah move to the sisters we wish each other the sisters participate, they are highly recommended to be with us inshallah and persuaded as the Christians so against this Do you have any questions that
so brother I met this is something that is really wonderful if you want to ask and you feel shy to speak up, you can write down and send inshallah any questions and we can send for you in your flashcards are any type of paper that you want, but please inshallah, we need your participation This is part of inshallah understanding fully what is said and addressed to all of us, inshallah.
We wish our sisters to participate, then we'll move to the left side inshallah. Again,
please, inshallah, make sure that you ask a question that has no answer and the researchers that were addressed by our scholars and our our brothers, and also make sure that your question is short and up to the point he just needs to add in his full joab a good question is half of the answer, because we have many people everybody wants to gain inshallah benefit from our brothers or police in Sharla, up to the point in shaba.
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Doctor. In the historical discourse of the split between self ism and asterism, you mentioned several terms in the paper itself as well as the lecture we're here to describe what we call
orthodoxy with a capital law. And one of the terms was used herbalism for general students of knowledge as well as, shall I say, the director Muslim hanbali madikwe, Hanafi or Chafee are terms that are used to describe the schools of film, but interestingly, you did mention this and you talked about this from a PD point of view. So can the term Hanbal ism or Hannah Bella be used to describe a p the school of thought or a school of thought dedicated towards beliefs instead of
So classically speaking, Hanbal ism is associated with both a theological school and a filter or legal school depends on who says it, and in which context we find in the books of double art that you will find Fudan was shaft very fulfilled humble if without data you actually find this, and it is found in even
the shaft area of a Suki who himself was not to pro even Tamia, but still you find that phoolan was tested a bit had Abdullah even to his on the bottom shelf area. So the term Hamburg or Hana villa in the fourth century of the Hippodrome became also a theological term. Okay, it was not a theological term in the third century of the hinges when Mr. Mohammed lived and his students lived. At that point in time, it was humble ism was a fifth p school, it was not associated with the theology. But what happened was and I showed this in my paper, not in this paper, but in my dissertation that in the Shafi school, especially in the fourth century, there were Shafi slowly but surely eventually
they became sympathetic to socialism and it was adopted by the Chinese school Hanif ism as we know, it went away initially a Morteza ism and then of materialism. masochism, by the way, Maliki's the early monarchies were very much basically upon the back of the support. And that's why if you look at, even though he's a little clearer, one is the decider. It's actually a pure hambley text in terms of after he makes it. But again, later on the Maliki school as well developed this version of socialism. So the term handily depends on who uses it and in what context it is possible to use the term humbly to refer to the theological school that defines itself as affirming all of the
attributes without reinterpreting allegorically any of them. And it is also permissible to use henbit ism as the School of Law. In my paper, of course, it was used in the theological context. Okay.
So we go to the right side, inshallah
I want to emphasize the issue about
and this should be a cause for unity among the Muslim fairies, because if you could not fix your own house shortly, can we ask your permission to speak in Arabic trimed. And
we asked you to speak or we speaking in English, I'm sorry.
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to speak English in my house in my mosque and my football in my lectures, okay? So they say, Okay, take it or leave it. Anyway, let's go to the point and because you understand that time is limited and the issue is bigger than the time that we have Ferris resort respect to the speaker, older brother. Yes, doctor. Yes, sir. That Allah subhanaw taala, St. farlam and na hoona in the head of Allah was still fooling me. So this shows you the most important issue in the whole of Islam is the knowledge about Allah this comes this is the foundation of all different
Conditions of belief. So if you're not going to have the proper belief, how are you going to unite with another mask and a star and and and all the things is going to be decision is going to be dispute You understand? And the Arbonne sees a person who believes that Allah is everywhere is going to be understand that many say Allah is in the bathroom, because it's everywhere. And I believe that Allah subhanaw taala above the symphony of the throne, established in a manner that fits with His Majesty. So we wanted to upgrade of the Prophet. Forget about the Sharia. Forget about Salah, forget about everything. Tell me I'm an era Superman with a Marie Kondo M and a villa. How does this I have
a belief? How does a prophet towards him this what I'm concerned about, if we did not have the proper belief, we are not going to work upon anything together, not against unity, but it will bring the moment that you get to know the person and his understanding. The other issues that I'm talking about the School of salts, none of the Imams, his maturity, all of them. I'm not asking about the chef, or the Hanafi or I'm talking about the man himself. All of them above them are paid off as
the first century and the Prophet sallallahu Sallam left us on this activity that anything else deviation. Can I work with this Muslims is a different story. But the most important thing you're going to be asked in your grave The first question is what was
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I hope and pray that in sha Allah which Allah the Ashanti Deobandi the Salafi, when moon calendar kill communism and robot they all answer Allah subhana wa Tada. And I hope that there are differences between them, do not make them think of another god shuffle of data. So whoever wishes to cooperate with another Muslim, they will find much more in common with that Muslim, and whoever wishes to find the differences in if they will find those differences. And as for the claim that the founders of the mme were upon all of them the exact same RP that I don't want to go into too much controversy. But anybody who studies in a lot of detail knows that especially one of these four, I
don't want to go into controversy had issues about the leader of it overthrow Northland, O'Reilly had differences in terms of Iman and emang had differences in terms of even other issues. We don't want to get into it. But this is a rather simplistic, romanticized back projecting of one's ideas onto the past. The fact of the matter is that every generation you look at, you will find people who held theological views that the others who he associated with did not find whether it is a data and other whether it is the show, you're among some of the other Sunni early types of things you're not. You don't find rough, do you find the shape of the law? Do you find this amongst people who claim
allegiance to the center, whether it is issues even anyway, so the point is, when you studied in detail, you realize that in every topic, there were people who actually held various viewpoints, and it was only later on that some type of unity was achieved. And then these various viewpoints are historically overlooked and not considered to be to be mainstream within Sunni Islam. But this was a development of every generation. As for what the Sahaba themselves believed. The point is that again, I'm trying to be politically correct here. Selfies and machetes, both respect the Sahaba they view their theologies and they back project them on to the Sahaba. Do you really think the Chinese
believe that they have a different opinion than the habited they believe whether they did or not is secondary right now what is their Nia? Their Nia is we want to make follow up, we want to follow the Sahaba. Their Nia is we respect the Sahaba. And so their Nia is that we want to be following in the Athol of the setup of this woman. So the reality is that in demand Mr. Roubini yet, and they sincerely believe both groups that they're actually that is what the Sahaba themselves believed, and of course, they believe the Sahaba did have will and
The self is believable. So Halloween is about to suffer. And the brutal fact of the matter is, we do not know for 100% sure we did an interview, or whatever and our boss, we didn't say what exactly this Easter Island actually mean. We are both projecting our views on to the Sahaba. One now you drink, maybe they never even thought about these issues, the way we are thinking about them. How do we even know this? Perhaps we are ourselves prejudiced, and what we want the Sahaba to believe, but the point is, at least within Sunni Islam, we want to follow the Sahaba that is the defining characteristic of Sunni Islam. All Sunni movements agree upon one reality and that is respect of the
Sahaba and we're going to take them as our producer and role models. Why don't we look at that what is in common rather than making it bigger and bigger the issues that we differ over Allah knows best those who want to find sectarian problems will not who you will find them those who want to have unity, you will be able to achieve unity and
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what if no claim he mentions in the verse of Allah says, well, john lennon with Athena Imam, and he used the word Imam in the forefront, which means make all of us together one Imam, for the people. So when we say that we speak in the name of Islam as an individual, is that right? Or should we say this is my opinion? And perhaps I'm right, perhaps I'm wrong. But we all call to the table as best as we can and and pray that we were right. But should Is it right for us to say this is Islam is ruling on a particular issue, when it's a controversial issue. And the second question is the difference between you mentioned in your talk about Hooda. And in some of the some of they said, We
need to learn as much as we need to learn. So can you explain that statement in this context? And
so the first question was about ascribing a position to the religion of Islam.
If the position is something that is from the reality of the deen from the Muslim at that, there's
loosen them up such that there's no controversy over then we say Islams position is and we know of course the question arises who is going to decide what is most valid? I think most of us in this room we take the GMR concept as a part of our credentialing that which the owner has agreed upon. So if somebody says what is Islam stance on homosexuality? We don't care that there are two or three progresses and modernists that have made it doesn't matter to us. Islam stance is very clear. And that is that it is unethical, immoral, that it is sinful in the eyes of Allah COVID Amina. Okay, we can say this. But if somebody says what is Islam stance on music, for example, what is Islam stance
on growing the beard? What is Islam stance on on things that are on the diet have different over in this case, it is not appropriate to say Islam says because the Muslim Ummah has divided in different and it is not even if the majority say one opinion, there is a lot more trouble. There are people that have said, so even though I might passionately believe that yes, the majority is correct, but there's a lot more.
And when there's enough martaba. It is not appropriate to say Islam says In this case, we can say the majority of scholars have said so for example, that it is historically true to say, I'm not getting controversial historical issue. The majority of the scholars have disapproved of musical instruments. This is correct to say yes, but I don't think it's fair to say even though I'm sympathetic to the majority position, it's not fair to say Islam says music is how long How can you say this one? There are great Muslim Runa ma scholars we all know it hasn't fallen under we all know they have treatises on this issue. Are we going to exclude them from Islam? We can say the majority
of scholars Yes, we can say the dominant position, yes, but where there were there isn't enough. martaba Allah knows best. We shouldn't say Islam says and this also is heterocycle body, which is related to this that the processor said when you are negotiating with the tribe, or a civilization and they ask you that you give them the verdict of Allah subhana wa Tada. Do not give them the order of Allah because you do not know what is the law of the law. rather say this is your follow your judgment, and don't ascribe it to Allah subhana wa Tada. We're not supposed to limit
how long you'd have to get him. As for a second question. I didn't quite understand. But I think you're saying saying that. One of us referenced the fact that we need hikma more than animals? No.
That was I didn't reference that one myself.
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Google and Wikipedia, because when you study with the Roma you see they're living in their style and their Zoo then there What are and there are a lot more than you see there. There is an anybody who has studied with Rohan amount of money and they know this firsthand that being with an argument,
not to brag or boast, but Allah blessed me to spend one summer with me just one summer, and will lie, I'll be honest with you, I don't remember much of what he taught us is in my notes somewhere. But what I remember from that one summer, the year before he passed away in 1999, one summer that I remember was his o'clock was his zoo, was his walking to and fro from his house, 25 minutes in the burning hot sun, he wouldn't take the car because he wanted the agility. All of these things, his fasting on Monday and Thursday, even though he was 77 years old and he had cancer. These are the things that stick with me and not the the element that we have the notes of right that you cannot
substitute with with books. So that's the point of the setup when they said we would learn houda we would learn adapt, just like we will learn.
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the fallacy of the details even of the facts. We don't have explicit narrations from the Sahaba other than generalities, we really don't know because the controversy of sifat began in the second and third generation with Jonathan gentlemen what not and the Sahaba Alhamdulillah canovee afia. So we'll also Yes, there is no doubt also amuro hakama. This is the Australian we all agree and there's no question that to say is that what means is Stoller
could never have a cruise to the Sahaba. But at the same time and I'm sorry for being very explicit here, when you look at some of the later ethnicity books and you look at the way that they present us, in fact, in my humble opinion, and I know many of you will disagree, this too goes against the Quran. We do not find in the Quran and Sunnah in the dilemma he had when
he was when he died and put it in a manner that the army he reads this the army actually do when he reads this type of column because every time Allah mentions or sefa it is actually in the context of affirming something greater than that tabouleh can lady big hill move way up or watch her up because there is a battle that a lot there's a battle of basically that big hill it's not that a lot of Georgian has a paragraph I have two eyes I have two shins I have Lego This is not this is not what we find from the Sahaba not even from the from the tabular interpreter Bureau. This begins later on had that people like aviana in his battle suffered some of the HANA beta, the move will because of
the language that he used. Some of the HANA Villa did not like it, this is too much and you have that feedback to suffer. So the point is that you're asking some very deep questions and we'll love it. I love this topic. We can have a one on one and this is my speciality my magic Stephen Medina right 800 pages is printed is a third which I haven't been soft one filled filled up on Islamia. This is my entire 800 pages early Islamic theology. My PhD as well as on this point believes me I would love to have this more detail with you. But I state what I said to our previous brother shortly as well. My own research has led me to believe that both sides simplistically read in their
biases into the past, both sides want to claim these people from themselves. And if you actually do the research and go deep and you find that history is more complex than reality, history is not as black and white. And that yes, trends developed. It is my position I know many of you will disagree that even later sad arcada is a development. The Sahaba did not have the types of beliefs that later a 30 update isn't a me as volumes right? I believe in Allah knows best if emammal barbati read even Tamia amendment, Barbara hardy would have rejected it and to me, this is my opinion. I'm not saying anything. This is wrong. Because Barbara Hardy's mind in the third century would not have admitted
event me as being a fellow humbly it'd been Tamia was a development event for the handler with my utmost respect to my brothers in the room of the Atari operator. Please remember, even to me his greatest opponents in the beginning were his fellow Hannah Bella, then a Suki and others came along what had been Tamia began his fellow Hana data criticized it because they couldn't understand his studies. So please, let's not be so romantically back projecting our own biases. And this is my area of speciality final point, my dear brothers and sisters, where you want to find if they love you will find where you want to make a big deal you will make a big deal and the average Muslim 100 in
that doesn't want to find it. They want to find a dealer and that's the point that I'm stressing here. When you go to another question don't ask them where is the love? What is your position? What is your issue of is to see them with Turkey in their Muslim in their mood? Meaning see, they want to have to do they want to comfort or we concentrate on that. And then if you have the spirit of it enough, guess what when issues of st laugh calm, you will work around them, but if from the very beginning you begin the mechana This is the modern Mariner, right? Where is the law? What is
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The question is if you the scholars disagrees with key concepts of the deen how would we the youth with very few and little knowledge know what or who to follow or even believe?
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question is there any attachments are in enclosed and sister Can you attach something to it in example? So the problem comes here that
defines disagreement with key concepts.
I would venture if you're anybody in this room that insha Allah, there is no disagreement with key concepts. We believe in Allah and His messenger. We believe in the Day of Judgment, we believe in Sahaba status of the Sahaba and Sharla. Any type of somewhat small tensions that have taken place? It is because we love one another. So please don't read in this. I don't see this as having any major disagreement. In sha Allah, the bulk of the oma is upon sale, the bulk of the woman in the humid, humid and more human. This is a theological point for us as Sunni Muslims. For us the bulk of the oma is inshallah for him cradle America. Why? Because our Profit System said that the bulk of
his own was going to enter agenda. He told us to avoid that album. He told us the other way around the gym era. We take it as a point of theology is not just a historical thing as a point of theology that this oma will not agree upon. misguidance so it handed enough the majority of this oma is in agreement that Allah is the Lord the Quran is the book of Allah, the Sunnah of the process that must be followed and obeyed. Let's look at these commonalities and I would dare argue that inshallah there is not much disagreement on the road the key concepts of the deen This is not of the key concepts, how you interact with other sects. This is not of the soul of the dean, this is the
foreword of the dean, how do you interact with people who are of a different theology? So please don't misunderstand our back and forth as being a disagreement with the key concepts in sha Allah. The key concepts of the own mumbo jumbo I think our Lord is one our Qibla is one our Salah is one month Salah salata and I was stopped by the Tibetan worker at the Battle of a dyadic one Muslim level, remember to live within Maduro Sunni hamdulillah. Let's look at what's in common. And when you look at what's in common, while la hit the bulk of the oma comes into place, our Lord our for our our respect for the tradition, one point is all about Sunni Islam, all of Satanism is not just
respect for the Sahaba by the way, is not just respect for the Sahaba it is respect for our north of a hadith. What is our source of knowledge Quran and Hadith and all of the Sunni movements look up to the books of heavy and our scholars and fifth, our one and our scholars in intercede in loja are one just in some aspects of APA. Yes, we differ. Agreed. But I think we shouldn't make this enough so big to say that we disagree about everything. Where do we turn to failover? Where do we turn to for daddy even where do we return to four? How do these two strands look to the same groups of people? So whoever wants to find differences will find but whoever wants to find unity will also find the
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the term has not been used.
That doesn't mean it is of no value. And it is completely permissible to invent terms, if they have good meanings, who use the term of solid, yet it is unnecessary science. So the fact that it doesn't occur in the Koran doesn't mean it is an unnecessary science. The concept of belief in a law is a core belief of our religion. And if later scholars called it, that there's nothing wrong with that term, so there's no problem with numerous other hand, as for the issue of who is this elephant art or your question was, what is the Misa of the setup over the kind of, I think, all Sunni Muslim, Salafi ashati, all of them, they follow this simple principle that the center of this oma are better
than us, we are not equal to them. And the Sahaba are the highest of the high followed by the tabular and interpreted their own. They are better than us simply because the Prophet system said so if he hadn't said so maybe we would have agreed that the southern cutoff are equal, but they are not equal. Because our Prophet sallallahu Sallam explicitly said that the best of all generations is my generation. And then the next and then the next. And this is a Heidi that is reported by at least six or however and it is some whatever mutawatir hadith of you depending on your narrations and with the water. So know, the setup and the 100 are not the same. Anybody who saw the profits of the
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After him can have, and in that also see and that Misa, nobody can compete with him. And this is also in behati. final one is after that I'm done, that the prophet SAW Selim said had it is in Bahati, a time will come when you will fight the enemies of Allah and it will be asked a fee kumaun Sahaba Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, so that we will say yes, so NASA will be given to them, then a time will come when they will ask a fecal manesar habermann Sahaba Rasulullah saw saddam, they will say yes, and then victory will be given to them, then a time will come a fee common Sahaba manesar habermann Sahaba socialism, they will say yes, and then victory will be given
to them through a second explicit multiple times. There are three generations. And if you look historically, at the conquest of Islam, Islam reached Masada Cardinal Mahadeva in the first three generations of Islam, and those were the generations they didn't have the weapons of the oma years. They didn't have the political power of the buses. They didn't have the power of the dinar that leaders had. But what they had a genuine raw Eman and taqwa could not be compared with later generations. So no by a law, no, the Senate and the senate are not the same. And this is by law of the shadow via that the center are better than the height of
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I'll try to just choose a couple of things.
First of all, I think all of us, without any exception, agree that the most important thing is Arpita and the foundation of what we believe, and the understanding of the implication of the statement of tawheed you learn a lot when the Mohammed honors a lot of a lot of surah. So hamdulillah that's agreed upon we have a point of coming together and moving forward and shoulder.
That God you mentioned that the roots of the division regarding the two sects that are primarily being talked about right now go back 1200 years. And we know that our last one data revealed the permanent miracle of the Quran 1400 years ago some idea so that's what we need to focus I think and own what was taking place before the roots of that if the last began because
what we are dealing with right now requires us to be firm on that more firm than we are on the roots of the left and I Mashallah I am overwhelmed by the scholarship and the effort in the booth and so forth. Mashallah. But we have heard from imams today that we have the sisters, bringing brought by their fathers to the masjid to marry them to a non Muslim, and that we have the the issues of Islamophobia. We have the issues of every day, that there are 1000s of people who are living in our myths that are dying over and shirk, and quite frankly, that first and foremost, our mission, as imants should be the mission of the Dalai Lama. Of course we don't, we cannot be ignorant in
carrying out this mission, we have to know about the history of our Deen of our scholars, we have to utilize all of that, but we don't want to lose sight of what the real challenges that we are facing now. And the fact that we have a limited amount of time to to meet those challenges. Does that message? Anything more brother? Yes. Please.
Just give me a couple more minutes.
Now, please, two more minutes is a lot because we need to accommodate please.
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and this is something that I feel is very important that we need to be clear about how we manifest or embody that understanding and how we actually meet the challenges that we are facing. So when we are dealing with issues such as the election, such as the
civil protests, whether it be the Black Lives Matter movement or other things that I see be, you know, participated in by different besides that
As a man, we'd have to take the lead for that. And sometimes I feel that we are missing an opportunity that is upon us right now remember that the formal son of the messenger leads to Salaam is the Dalai Lama. And we live in an unlike seven centuries ago, when the Obama era himolla that they were debating these, these issues, they were in the midst of a total Muslim population, we are less than 2% of the population here in the United States, and we have the burden of bringing the light of Islam to the people. So how are we going to spend our time our intellect, our effort, and always in these issues that have been being debated for over 1000 years that will get your message
we'll move to a question from the sisters. Yes. So the question is in Arabic Now for one of the sisters asking, making dua to Allah subhanho wa Taala is the aim of everybody and the goal of everyone, but we deal with, with common people who do not have deep understanding in the matters of our data. And so if they mix with others, from the people of innovations and inclinations, it may affect them, it may affect that Africa. So why we do not this is what the sister says, Why do not we be away and isolate ourselves from the evil of innovations? Because it may badly affect and corrupt our Africa?
answer the first question. So we have we have one minute and one minute. Okay. So the first question, which was about basically social activism, like, Brother, you have hit upon a very sensitive topic that I think really underscores the reality of my entire presentation.
I want to be very explicit here. I have written an article as online, it's called unselfie Islam, you can google it on self Islam. So Callie, and I have talked about, in my opinion, the positives and the negatives of the Salafi movement, because I have been a part of this movement for over 23 years of my life. So my first teachers are in this room from the back in the mid 90s, early 90s. And in my humble opinion, one of the criticisms humbly I have as somebody who has been a part of the movement for 23 years of my life is the obsession without the the eclipses, human realities, they become so involved in abstract out leader that they forget that the sooner of the process and for 40
years before he became a prophet, he was called an Amina Massoud, he was the one who was in Nikola Tesla Rahim in Nikola Tesla Model, you feed the poor, you sponsor the orphan. The social activism of the pre prophetic era was a necessary prerequisite that people loved him because he was a social worker that people loved him because he was merciful, then when his mercy was shown to mankind, that when he began his Dharma, nobody could accuse him of being a stranger. One of my criticisms of this enemy movement with all respect to them, is that there's very, very little actual emphasis on social work on community activism. And you have seen yourself there is an anger when you dare suggest
another Muslim who might disagree about allies, this might be a good person, cooperate with them, they actually become irritated at this and this is not in my humble opinion, the reality of this religion of faith, we should spend more of our time with the oppressed with the weak with the with the naked with the hungry, we should spend more of our time with social activism now with much of the abstract debate that takes place in these air conditioned conferences, and if we did so, the people would see the reality of our religion of Islam. To me that is the Sunnah of the Prophet system and of the set of genuine compassion for the poor for the downtrodden for the week. That is
where you will find the Nasir of Allah subhana wa Lohan so we need inshallah, we need from the format in Sharla just also as short as possible because we will end with the last question for Dr. Hatem. Insha
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because oftentimes, you need to save a person from his friends before you save him from his foes or enemies.
ignitor Mia, Mo Allah is the one who emphasized that there is no distinction between an anomaly or misalignment anomaly as far as
the basically showing of tolerance towards mistakes, committed,
unintentionally or, you know, mistakes committed by the monster ad. It wasn't made by me I went into detail
addressed this is this this particular issue at length, and proved that the way of the son of the apparent meaning of the Hadith of the Prophet SAW salami, that's the other part in Africa
is that it does not make any distinction between kata or the error in creed or practice or Adam or Mohammed. And he also went on to prove that this was the understanding of the righteous generations and they did not make that distinction and that distinction between masala Mian and Salama, they are issues of creed and practice is an innovative distinction in and of itself, they had shown tolerance towards mistakes in the realm and armelle
throughout the first three generations,
so why don't we do the same thing like why is it that we show tolerance towards the love in myself or issues of practice and show no tolerance whatsoever towards the left in the issues of creed.
The other issue that that is extremely important also is that the Scholastic approach to aqeedah is different from the spiritual approach
and celebrate IRA and the use to
have a more spiritual approach for people. So basically, believing in the names and attributes of Allah has the you could address the names and attributes of Allah in two different ways you could address them academically, you could talk about the milestones, which are not the architecture itself the driving p the or the Akita that brings about more
certainty or uncertainty to the existence of a lot of greatness of Allah and so on. And that is what we usually do, whether we are sad or sorry, that is what we are usually involved in when we teach RP that we're teaching the milestones about Peter lanakila itself.
And that is probably why we have issues we have the diseases of the heart that dividers, because we are not approaching the Arpita in a more spiritual way. Having said that, it is also the speculative theology that detract from the spiritual approach to our tea, the great extent and Sheffield's are clearly set out to prove that spec spec, the differences were very, you know, came very early on, but
that is not, you know,
demand management and contract you know the the content contemporary scholars
are not the beginning of our listener. So Kalam came a little bit later than the beginning phases of the sunny
division which arose before this. I was also wanting to see a little bit of a practical approach to the issue of the management of those differences and the distinction between the beginners the intermediate, intermediate, students have knowledge and the advanced ones and how each one of them may be exposed to differences and controversies and the distinction between the different disciplines I may advise my students of knowledge to listen to any scholar, any scholar with
basically good conduct and sound knowledge and in certain disciplines, but when it comes to these disciplines, that I may want to shield them from too much exposure to controversy early on as beginners. And so I was expecting that we would have like a more practical roadmap that would be helpful for the students of knowledge.
We have to stop here.
So we have to move quickly inshallah for a break for 10 minutes.