Yasir Qadhi – In Pursuit of Freedom for Doctor Aafia Siddiqui

Yasir Qadhi
AI: Summary © The ongoing struggles of Dr. Aafia CDT and its impact on the media have led to struggles and negative reactions. Pakistan's military presence, the use of AI to imitate children, and the pressure on the political system have led to struggles and negative reactions. The speakers emphasize the importance of transparency and a strong message for customers and employees, as well as privacy laws and regulations. The conversation is vague and difficult to follow.
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Hamdulillah we are very

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honored to have somebody here for a topic that, frankly is a very distressing topic. It is not the first time we have had this topic at Epic Hamdulillah. We've had the topics before of the same issue and that is raising awareness about Dr. Aafia CDT and you're all aware that Dr. Aafia Siddiqui has been given effective with a life sentence at six years. She has been in jail for almost 15 years now. And her plight and story is one that is global. And frankly, may Allah forgive us all that is a cause of shame for all of us. I'm being very honest here. It's a cause of shame for all of us that her plight has continued for as long as it has continued along with Stan, I cannot help but recall

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that once upon a time, when one of the leaders of India Raja da here had taken some Muslim women or some of the pirates had taken Muslim women as captives. The Amir Khalifa sent a message that you release them or else and Raja did not do anything. So the OMA yet sent Mohammed ibn class him to India, because there were women that were kept unjustly. And because he sent Mohammed bin it wouldn't cost him Islam spread in those lands on those women were freed. And another lady in the time of the buses was put in jail. And she cried out one more I thought, Seema, where is Khalifa Mortensen? Where is he? Why is he not helping me, and that one cry was carried all the way back to

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Baghdad. And the Khalifa was told that this lady mentioned you by name. And he felt such an surge of emotion, that he made a promise to Allah subhanho wa Taala that he would not allow a night to go by, except that the process has begun. And so he indeed sent an emissary and sent a convoy and sent a delegation and sent an army to eventually free this lady. But those were days of the past. Well, long was done. We're now in a time in a place where we complain to Allah, of our weakness and our incapacity to do more than just raise awareness and make dua but in sha Allah insha Allah. Today, we're going to hear a bit of a course of action about what needs to be done. And brothers and

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sisters, I'm not going to go over the entire story. I want to make some key points because we're not here for me. We're here for a very honored guest. Of the things that want to be very clear about the story that is propagating in the news media's on the internet Wikipedia about the details of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui.

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Those details, they come from the same source that has captured her and imprisoned her. They come from the same government that has given her 86 years sentence. And I'm not one to buy conspiracy theories. But at the same time, in any court, you cannot have the prosecutor give the very evidence that he's going to use himself. In that case, you cannot have the judge be the prosecutor at the same time, which is what is happening with our sister, Dr. Aafia. Without a doubt and we were with the lawyer Clive yesterday, and Dr. Posey will tell you more details if he wishes to, without a doubt, key facts that are in the mainstream media are blatant fabrications and lies. Without a doubt

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we know this Yochanan that key facts that people think are correct, because it's in every news media.

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They are actually not correct. What we know for sure, without a doubt is that she was abducted with her children in the streets of Karachi in broad daylight. She was going from one family house to another, and certain paramilitary forces stopped the car and abducted her in broad daylight. She was not seen for six years or five and a half years after this. Nobody officially knows where she was, but was some big who eventually wound up in Guantanamo. And you Vaughn Ridley, the both of them who were in Bagram, in Afghanistan being tortured, and I spoke to both of them and their records are also public. They both testified and said publicly that they heard Aafia Siddiqui being tortured in

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Afghanistan and Bagram. In the CIA black sites, was them big told me this himself and he told the family members as well, that he heard with his own years, this torture going on in Afghanistan officially should not have been

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there, but that's what we know for a fact.

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Without understanding how or why she ends up in front of a police station in Afghanistan to this day, nobody knows out. And she's arrested. And they're allegedly some things happen, which again clearly did not happen. She sent back here to America, again, very murky stories. It's such a bizarre plot. And certain concoctions are said, and she's given 86 years. This is a fact. Other facts. One of her children is still missing to this day.

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The same child that was abducted on the streets of Karachi. We don't know where they are, or whether they are even in this where we don't know. Two of the other children were taken and given over to foster families. And Allah knows what would have happened, had it not been for Allah subhanaw taala blessing, our sister, Dr. Fozia to get involved and what she has done for her sister and for the cause of Dr. Aafia. Only Allah can reward her relentlessly tirelessly, she has changed her whole life, to become the global ambassador on behalf of not just her sister, but the injustices that are taking place. And she fought tooth and nail to get the two children that were being handed over to

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even non Muslims. They're being raised in a completely different environment. She fought tooth and nail to Al Hamdulillah. Get them back. And now they're being raised, at least in the household of the family Alhamdulillah.

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Bottom line, I spoke to the lawyer yesterday Clive, he's a well known, you know, famous lawyer, he's he's been involved in over 200 cases in Guantanamo. He's one of the top notch lawyers of the world and this field of injustice, he's of the government. He's based in England, he flew down pro bono, unbelievably, he's not doing this for money, even though he's a lawyer. Most lawyers, they would not do anything with that. But this guy, amazing, Clive, unbelievable. He came all the way from England, he accompanied Dr. Fozia in the plane, because she wasn't allowed to come here. She was coming after 20 years to see her sister. She was not allowed to come for 20 years. We didn't know what's going to

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happen. Clive came in the same plane, as her, landed with her to make sure nothing happens to her as well walked into the country and immigration with her and went to the prison with her. All of this pro bono, no salary. He's doing this because he wants to stand up for truth, injustice. And he said to us and Dr. Boyce, just for more details, but I want to give a petition I want to give our call to action, that actually it is in sha Allah possible. There is light at the end of the tunnel to get Dr. Aafia at least transferred to Pakistan. This is very feasible, he said, very doable. But the onus the burden the ball is in the court of Pakistan, not here.

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All this government needs is a little bit of pressure, just a little bit of pressure to do some type of either swap or exchange or military or whatever it might be. And Clive says he can do this in sha Allah, but the ball has to begin the court that the first domino has to come from overseas because Dr. Orpheus Pakistani citizen, and until the Pakistani government doesn't do something, she's going to be in limbo, because why should this government care? It's not her citizenship. Irish citizenship is not American. It's Pakistani citizenship. And so we have a simple request, a very simple request. It will be said today by myself, Dr. Fozia and by Senator Tim we stock the same request, and that

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is, we want Aafia back home. We want Aafia back home, the people of Pakistan, our people need to put pressure on their own government, the booksigning government and this pressure should be positive because Dr. Aafia from the beginning has said she wants only peaceful protests, nothing more than this peaceful pressure to be put on the Pakistani government to arrange any type of deal with this government and insha Allah Allah if that is done, then it is quite straightforward to exchange to make some type of transaction between this country and Pakistan, our country and Pakistan to get this done. But the ball is in the court of the people of the country of Pakistan. And therefore we

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say very simply, we say, actually, let me say

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office immediately Kovach is the Carrera Pakistan set of simple see a Bata or Allah Tala Malika with this inshallah before I handed Dr. Fawzi I want to also welcome and thank senator in which top 100 Han he is one of the foremost senators he is a member of parliament and a senator in Pakistan. He has traveled here officially to also accompany Dr. Fozia to meet with Dr. Aafia Siddiqui in prison. He has been the most vocal Senator about Dr. Of his duty for the last decade or so, and he is in the upper house Senate in Pakistan. And so, Senator Mustafa, thank you very much for coming here. If you can also share what we try to automate by getting it or Gee hypokalemia.

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Allah Allah. Allah Tala hamari Ben Cody Hi they are Allah Tala will say delta gel baharu apne grup number chunky pasa pastina que es Bappi daiquiri Walker Davina and then hamdulillahi rabbil Alameen Jazak Allah. Just a quick translation for those who don't know Urdu. Sen. Woodstock thanks to all of you. He said he could never believe that so many people can come in a mosque in America. To help our sister off here for this cause of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, his heart is very happy to see all of you who's full of gratitude. And he said he wants to correct me that he's not coming in his official capacity as the senator, because the government is not sending him officially for this reason. So

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he's coming in his private capacity. So he wanted to correct me that the government is not involved. That's why he's coming in his private capacity and not interested to do it right now. So he's coming on his own time and his own capacity as just a brother in faith to Dr. Aafia. And he said that one of his motivations was that on the Day of Judgment, when Dr. Aafia will meet, the Prophet said, and complain to him about the OMA, how will we respond? What did we do? What will be our job? Our answer to that

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he reminds us that in March 2003, she was abducted with her three children, those children now the eldest daughter and the Son are now doctors. That's how much time has gone. And she hasn't seen them since that time. So they're now both doctors and she hasn't even seen them. And as for the youngest one, she was asking in jail, what is the his case? What is where's stood him on. And they didn't have the heart to tell her they don't know where Sulaiman is. They don't know whether he's here, he's not here. She does not know anything, because they do not know anything. And he mentioned you have one really the journalist who converted to Islam. When she was held at Bagram, she said that in

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cabin 605, and the room number 605, she heard screams coming that terrified her to the bones of Dr. Aafia being tortured, those screams still haunt her to this day. This is your one really, and her book, said this. And he said for 20 years, she hasn't met her children and her sister and this is the first time her sister's coming. And even when she came, the prison did not allow them to physically touch they could not even shake hands or hug. They were behind a barrier. And Dr. Aafia asked about her mother, and she was not told that her mother has left this world has passed away. She was not told this. So she still does not know that her mother is actually she passed away a few

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years ago. And so the Senator said that all of you who are gathered here today, he wants to use you as a incentive to the people of Pakistan to see that even American Muslims have gathered. So he appeals to the people of Pakistan through all of you, that American Muslims who are united in their humanity and their Islam, how much more so than that the Pakistani people, humanity and Islam, and the same background should also unite. So he made an appeal to all Pakistani people, all Pakistani students, all Pakistani scholars, that just like all of you have gathered peacefully, to show your love and support, they should do the same to petition their own government to bring Dr. Aafia back

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home after 20 years. He said, can you imagine as a mother, she hasn't seen her children for 20 years. She doesn't know the details about even you know, what has happened to one of them. So he asked us all you do what you can in your country to alleviate her situation. She's not actually in very good circumstances. And we can help in this regard to have you know, better circumstances, better present facilities better, even clothing and food and whatnot. We can do this over here. Unfortunately, her case has been abandoned by many people. So we need to do that. He asked us to do it here. And he said, Tomorrow's the day of Joomla. So he hopes that dua will be made all over

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Pakistan and over here as well. Do I will be made for Dr. Aafia and Insha Allah, if all of us come together and the people like sparks and petition their government in sha Allah, Allah, the there is light and she should be released soon inshallah. Tada. And with this insha Allah I'm going to hand it over now to Dr. Fozia CDT, And subhanAllah

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what can be said about Dr. Fawzia CDTI Allah has, Allah has has blessed her with

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fountain of suburb that is unimaginable. Dr. Fawzia, by the way is a Harvard trained neurologist and she is a professor at Agha Han all Buxton used older or Gohan hospital is

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She has now worked part time there because the majority of her time is for her sister's case. So Harvard trained, she is a

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a member of the American Board of Psychiatry, of neurology of epilepsy. And she's teaching in the Agha Han medical school. But because of what happened to her sister now, majority of her time is now dedicated to this. She was not allowed to come here for 20 years. This is the first time she's come to visit her sister. And she was not allowed to physically meet touch the behind the glass. And today was the last day that they met and she's heading back. So we are very, very honored. Wallahi we're so honored to have Dr. Fawzia with us here. And without any further ado, Dr. Fawzia, the floor is all yours is Kamala Harris

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belimbing shaytani R rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem shukran brother Yasser.

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And Mottram Sen and all the brothers and sisters As salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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It is my pleasure, and an honor to be sitting here in this wonderful masjid. And with Brother Yasser, who we've known when he was not the big chef that you are seeing, and his older brother was my brother's classmates. So

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mashallah we've seen him grow into this wonderful person. And who's always shown love to our family at times when we needed it most. You know, today, there were so many of you. And there was a time when we were all alone, when everything of ours was taken from us.

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And we were all alone in this world of billions of Muslims. And if we would want to look up to them, most of them would turn their faces and try and hide in case they. So you know, that was a time that really hurt. Because you take the testimony of a disbeliever in front of the testimony of your own sister, your sister, a half is the Quran, a brilliant Muslim woman.

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But there were these few people

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that, you know, they say it's times like this, when you know who your true friends are. There were these few people, quite a few of them are here even today. And one of those is

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that brother did ask that I should not be using his name. And then there's brother Maurice, Allah Khan, and the brother who hosted me here. And lots of sisters here, this sister, sister, Northern, I think she's here. And but the thing is, my dear brothers and sisters

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it's today is one of those days. That's very difficult for me to actually express

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what I'm feeling today, they told me that I can't visit her again in this visit. So I visited her so that was the third day.

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And saying goodbye. Saying goodbye was not the difficult part. The difficult part for me was

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leaving her there's something in Farsi that they say, nauseous then Gutenberg Gaston, so you said you talk and you leave.

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So it almost felt like that's what I did with my sister.

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And mean,

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all I did was in 20 years, wanting to see her.

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I do see.

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so I'll go with the details of what happened. But I mean, today, seeing her leave the room in the shackles and me being taken out from the other door. And I was like, How can I just go back to normal? Leaving her back where she was? What was the point of my visit? Alone, all I could do was look at her through the glass. But I do believe seeing you all here. That alone maybe I could not go through that glass. But together we can. Maybe I can't. But together we can.

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So definitely things have changed. And I'll tell you how we got to where we are as briefly as I can. I know it is a weekday it is Asia. It

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Just late and you all have to work in the morning. And

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so I'm going to be very brief, but I do have one question for all of you.

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How many of you know who is off here?

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Do you all know who is off here? Okay. Is our fear a medical doctor? Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, what does this specialize in? Is she a medical doctor? A surgeon, a physician is see a physician? No, is the surgeon No. Is she a nuclear scientist? Yes, how many say yes

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a nuclear scientist okay. She a physicist

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nuclear scientist would be a physicist. Does she mastering biological warfare or biological biology stuff?

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Some people think that is too so so as brother Yasser said, as you say share though, but my brother's Fine Brothers.

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He has now become this big chef. So Mashallah.

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So Okay.

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How many of you think that she was just a simple educationist?

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I believe nobody. Okay, so you see, that is how the truth is maths just as brother Yasser said that, you know, when we google Alfia when I google Afia I can't find my sister. Trust me in the millions of pages that you if you Google off here, there are millions of pages. I can't find my sister off yet anywhere. You see Wikipedia, brother Mari, I don't know I can't see him where he is. But he used the word for that when it comes to Afia or other Muslims, it's wicked pedia.

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So, the

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the facts are distorted and there is so much innuendo in there that we lose the true off here.

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The two Asya hated physics

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okay. She knew nothing about nuclear whatever physics chemistry

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was an educationist. She mastered in

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me learning in learning in neurosciences in cognitive neurosciences, her PhD was learning through imitation.

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So, now you could use her thesis of learning to imitation, I mean, that is is means a lot because it it formed the trajectories of how human learn how to children, so it was to make learning more efficient.

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And so the 12 year learning curriculum could be consigned into 10 years, and even those who are mentally challenged, could easily go through that. So you see when we have little children, how they imitate us. So in order to what they say, but chunk is any production cue parofsky research.

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But nowadays, her research is being used, where in the very, very most common thing that we have these days. The AI right those what why would the human beings who are intelligent minority have artificial that imitation AI K McCarthy? What does ai do It imitates right? So you know, robots, and also they teach them through imitation. So that's the core of how human beings learn. And that is why there's always been a prophet to tell us what to do to show us practically because just by reading through a thing, we can't become what we are even for doctors, we have to do an internship to do. So that is, what if your specialty was now an educationist, who was trying to help children

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learn is not sinister, is it?

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So how could you send in someone to eight to six years if that is who you are. So that's how the innuendo starts and you know, little things are dropped by and then people pick it and that's the thing you have to see who's witness whose statements are you forwarding

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and that's how it goes on. So um, as Brother Yasser said the other fact that goes on a lot specially in Pakistan, when they don't want to do anything they say, Oh, she she gave up

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Her Pakistani citizenship, she was a US citizen. So they took her.

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Right. If she was a US citizen, and they had taken her from there, it wouldn't be such big crime. But taking a Pakistani citizen from her own country, which technically is a sovereign country still, right.

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So is a big crime, it's rendition.

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And it's internationally. So

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in 20 years, in over 70 years of Pakistan's life,

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Pakistan, my country, has gone through a lot of tribulations and turmoils and trials. But, you know, we always managed to come out of them somehow, as a nation when we have been hit by the worst we come out the best with when it was the floods, when it was the big earthquake when it was the War of 65.

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But, you know, we always managed to whatever happened, we always manage to keep our dignity and honor. Pakistan had a place, our green passport had a place.

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Let me see.

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Okay, so this was something that people were still proud of people used to come to Pakistan, for education, and all of that. But this dignity, and this pride, and the value of this green passport started to fade, when amongst us there was a dictator that started selling his own people to his foreign masters, and

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said, so proud, very proudly, in his own book, how much bounty he collected. So that is when our dignity field when the value of this started to going down, started going down and falling. And Apphia, unfortunately, was a victim of one of that. But it was not just about off here alone, it was off here and her three little children. Baby Solomon was only six months old. Emma, who was five and a half, and Maryam, who was three,

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you know, when I saw

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unfortunately, they were kidnapped, abducted, rendition, and then everything else that happened, and then fast forward. So there's a whole movement,

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millions of pages, take over the internet. If you're if you're if you're there are, there are people who raise off your two levels, way above sainthood. And there are those people who diminish as the worst demon. There are also articles out there that say our fears in the Bible as a as the jaw or the, you know, so there's everything out there. And that's what it is with that. But fast forward 20 years. So I applied for my visa, in 2013. I actually applied for,

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for my mother, she had fallen and she had broken her hip and that and I was like, you know, I want to take my mom to meet up yet. So that it was then and so it was put in pending in limbo. So every time you'd put in the number, it's like it's under processing. So

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then it is some then the electronic thing finished and that and they said you have to file another electronic that was on paper. So then you have to file an electronic. So in 2015, an electronic application was filed. The same thing. Pending pending 2016 2017 2018 2019 and Alfia was kidnapped in 2023.

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And I was here I was the director at Sinai Johns Hopkins University, not one of the best universities and I was like at the top thing which I left and went a lot went through what we went through lots of trials, lots of tribulations. We were alone at one time and then slowly a whole caravan of people and mashallah Alhamdulillah now there's a global Afia movement, and it's people like you, I mean, brother, Yasser here said that I am the person I mean, without you, I'm nobody. And if it weren't for you if it weren't for the dwarves in the hands that raised our sisters, I would not have survived I could not have survived a day. I was always the quiet girl in class to

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speak in front of so many people for me. Well, it still is difficult and

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but for me at that time was like

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but the point is that fast forward to 20 years,

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I go in. Okay, so know, when they finally did get me the visa, I must, I would it would be remiss if I do not thank our foreign office, I do not thank the Islamabad High Court that passed a very strong order, which was put them in contempt if they do not facilitate my visa and facilitate my coming here. And so, and I will also thank the Prime Minister of Pakistan, the current one who took it took it to a personal notice to make sure that I get here and I get here safely. And

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they did without any hassles, they got me in. I mean, this is the first time in my life, I did not have to stand in that line, that big immigration line, I was passed through it, like a precedent or something.

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So but I got here, I come there, yeah. So maybe that was a sign that now the doors are opening,

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maybe that I'm sitting here is a sign. So then

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I get here, I come here, I meet with my hosts who have been very gracious, may Allah grant them everything that they want in this world and hereafter, inshallah so.

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So the day comes that I go to meet Afia. So I'm gonna tell you something behind this.

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Because I think if I don't start from where I was, so my

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Alpheus daughter, Maryam, and I'll show you pictures of them. Eventually, they will come up, I guess, at some point.

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But so she is a nurse, she's just completed her third year of medicine and going into the fourth year, but she's a wonderful designer.

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So she loves to design clothes, and you know, fashion designer in that. So she when she was like that first anticipation was, what if it's a trap, they trapped our mother and what will happen if we lose you?

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And I was like, you know, it's something I have to do.

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And I told them, that, you know, if I am to die,

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then death will get me wherever I am at that time. And if I'm not to trust me, my own death is going to protect me till when it wants to take me. So then we're like, that's crazy. But okay, but then we'll just lock you up. It's not about dying are that what if they do what they're doing to our mother. And I was like, if that's going to be my destiny, I can't do that. But I have to go and see her.

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And my request was that I want to be able to at least hold her hand. But that was denied. I mean, well, it was denied. But when I got to the prison, so fast forward, I get to the so she designed an outfit for me. She designed two outfits for me, one of which I'm wearing right now.

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And so

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so she made them in the greenish tinge because green being Pakistan's color. So

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the interesting thing about this passport is on the very front page, this passport tells our government that the Ministry of Interior government of Pakistan requires and requests in the name of the president Islamic Republic of Pakistan, all those to whom it may concern all those to whom it may concern to allow the bearer

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to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protect protection as may be necessary.

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So this passport actually gives me that safety security and that that you should have had.

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But anyway, so she designs and guess what the prison rule

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no grains, no khakis, nothing with khaki on it and nothing on green.

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So this green suit that she makes she designs for me. I can't work

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to change.

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Okay, anyway, so I get in the prison was waiting. The guards were waiting the Goddess from a side door where you couldn't even tell you're getting into a prison.

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They did not touch so I should

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Thank them for complying to that. And for being humane.

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No cat search or anything like that, no physical, nothing just pass through

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the metal detector. And that's it. They didn't even like give me a visitor's pass. They just like, you know, gave a little stamp. And that's it.

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So, then we stood there waiting. And all I could hear in that way, you know, when you're waiting every minute in silence, it just kind of gets to you, it's deafening. And then in that you hear Ding, ding, ding.

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And then you hear.

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And then you hear the rattling, and then you hear down, this is just going on, and then we go through wonder then another, and then they go 10 For blah, blah, blah, 10 for and then we go in, and so we walk through, by, you know, but courteous throughout, we go in through this area. And then you know, what's, you know, what's ironic? The way to FMC cars, it's green, it's lush, and it looks like so peaceful and so you know, serene. And who would think that behind these,

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this glue farm and that lies one of the world's most horrific torture chambers, legally sanctioned torture chambers that you could imagine what's horrifying, the walls, everything and that clanging, that clanging of those big keys is constantly I mean, ringing.

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And so we go in. And then as they're walking us in, I see someone coming in, in a khaki dress and khaki shirt, enough white. So the first day, it was just like

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a trip cloth, which is kind of a little torn, and

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overhead in shackles and shackles and you know, chains like this. And just like bending like that, just saw a glimpse, they took us into the room like this, and,

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and then there and suddenly, as she walks in, and she has the glass, and I'm here. And she walks in from here. And she just looks like this. And forgetting there's a glass there. And she just she wasn't told, say her say that, you know? Where are you taking me who's there. This is not even a visitors day or anything. And you know, no one's come to visit me for since ever. So they just like, pushed her and she and then she just looks and she sees me and she just just go straight into the glass. And for that one minute, or fraction of a minute. I saw a sparkle in her eyes.

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The neurons were there and my hands were there. That was the only sparkle of life I saw. Otherwise, it was like a ditch off my sister to just

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Who is

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what have they done?

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Yes, it was off here. But

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I don't know if you can get I don't have the words to explain that. But just just said there that she she was like, Is this really you?

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And was like is this really you? Then she goes, you've become weaker than you weren't? You were?

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And then she asks, you know?

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The first thing she asks, How is my baby?

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How is my baby? And I just look at her. And

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what do I tell her?

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What would you tell her after 20 years? You see someone that you have missed and you have spent every second of your life trying to help

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ask you What have you done for me? What is my baby?

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I don't know.

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Where's my mother? How is my mother?

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Do I tell her I'm here bearing bad news.

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I couldn't I just couldn't I just sat there

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and I said First you tell me everything about what goes on then I'll tell you I've got messages

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From everyone, you know,

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and, and I said, Ask me about Amad asked me about Maria. Um, you know, Emma does become a doctor. So I was trying to find something nice to tell her.

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And she goes back to the baby.

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Because that was the last one that was in her arms.

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He was six months old.

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So I told her again, you know, Maria Miss become very beautiful. And she goes, don't say that to * her away.

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Don't talk about anything nice for them, they'll take them away.

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And that was the situation of the paranoia. And then she went on about

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everything that happens in prisons.

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It may be a female prison, but these days, you all know what happens.

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Males, males, females, females and all. I mean, I'm not going to go into those details, but I can tell you one thing.

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When I talked about when she would talk about her children, there was life in her. There was hope in her there was there was a sparkle in her.

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And when she talked about her mother about her father, when she talked about the past the good happy days, which is where I tried to take her

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for your tree, she knew a ball, and you know, or on she was a half of the Quran. And I mean, the senator here had a nice time. He's very good with Jake Paul, I would not be reciting a lot of Akmal poetry, I'm sure anomic Paul would start, you know, get very restless in his grave that, you know, who is this? What are they doing with my

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wonderful poet, poetry, but the senator here was very good with that. So he and her exchanged a lot of Akbar, during their visit.

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I was there and there was, you know, you would see the brilliance, the genius in her.

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And then there was the trauma. And I don't know if there's a pictures there are they?

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But there is. So which one is there? Could I Can I see it?

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So can you put the one with with Orpheus sitting with her baby? That one? So? So if you see this, brothers and sisters, you see what do you see here in this picture?

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You see a mother with a child. Now almost everyone here is a mother or a father or a brother who has a younger sister or sister who has a younger sibling.

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Imagine snatching this little thing from the mother, imagine your baby being taken away from you.

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And then go on to the next children. See those little kids? This is who they were when she This is where her memories were locked. This was the age where she was this. I mean, coming down from when they were born to here. That's it. And now they're over 20 They're grown up. That's the big gap. How do I fill that gap in three hours?

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I mean, how can I get her past that? Because that's where her life is frozen, right? And those little kids imagine taking them. Imagine taking one of those kids that anyone has like three year old or something, snatching them from you and putting them in a foster home or giving them to some army person to raise your Muslim child, your Muslim daughter and

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putting the son into a children's prison.

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Imagine that, and then being told that if you don't do this, or you do that, otherwise, these kids will be killed. Which mother on Earth is not going to plead? I know if it was my child, I would say hey, I killed hobby. I was the one who brought on all the tsunamis. You tell me what hinges crime? I did. I did. But please leave my child alone. Let my child live.

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This was the worst form of human coercion in the 21st century. Taking away

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A little children from the mother and then using them.

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This is so anyone just imagine for one second?

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And then you ask how is she she may be even in the best of places. She may be in a palace, any mother, any woman, you take away her children and put her in, in, you know, the biggest palace and give her everything she can wish for? Will she be happy? Will she be seen? Will she not go stark raving mad crying for her child, she would say, leave me in a

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in a jungle, but let my children be with me. You know, when I got hammered back.

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And I asked him what they did to me. And you know what Emmett said, Auntie,

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you know, if they would have cut me into pieces, but let me be in my mother's lap, I would not have complained.

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Those were his words. So the worst form of and then after that, whatever torture was done to her. It, it cannot match the very first thing. And after that, to be able to be as sane as she was. This is nothing short of a miracle to see how she survived the environment.

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I mean, for me three hours was like,

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I would go mad.

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Imagine since 2013. She's been there.

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10 years in this FMC Carswell that I saw, I mean, I've begged and begged, can I just hold her hand? I mean, you can start it, that's nothing, right? Just just touching comforter, just absorb some of her pain.

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Even this tiny glimmer of

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any kind of humanity in those eyes. That was the one I saw under one roof.

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The ultimate zahlen and the ultimate Muslim under one roof.

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And they were there. And I could see. And I could see those eyes. And I could see those. And there was nothing I could do about it. Brothers and sisters, there's nothing I can do about it. But together we can. Together we go Can we can at least get her out of that admin unit.

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We can request that. I mean, she has skin and bones. She has no teeth left. What kind of danger would she

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and we couldn't get her out of that we couldn't get we can ask for humane treatment.

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I mean, she can't even get water

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so we used to send money for her commissary? No, because we had no contact with her for like, so many years. You know when someone is a love artist, and that's how I guess they do it. But someone the daughter of the OMA with such a huge amount behind her. No one to ask about what's happening to her.

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Isn't that a food for thought her mother left this world? I mean, some brothers told me how to tell how our mother passed away in that, but I think that will be for another time it is already half past 11 inshallah.

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Can I ask you? Were you able to show these pictures too, right. So I wanted to show her like from this time that's locked in to how they came to me and how they grew up, you know, every year, the graduation, the gold medals, their achievements. So I made these collages, and I took them. They took them all away.

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There was so angry at me How dare you? We didn't stretch you. So you brought in pictures. I was like you said paper was allowed. Now then they even didn't let me take a pen and paper that I could write anything.

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I mean, and then leaving her

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and then commissary. So I sent her so the first day I went I sent her money through Western Union. The next day I went and I told her that I'm going to do it and I'm going to check the next day. And I checked and before I checked him enough you said that they came to me in the evening and they said you have money in your commissary, you can go in order something. So the next day she says I ate some

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One thing today

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I really I got like a cup of tea. So she got some tea bags from the commissary that she could.

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those were simple things. But then today when I was leaving her, she said,

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Okay, two days I had, and I'm grateful for the two days that I had of some peace. And I could get that, but now that you're going, it's going to be the same thing again. And I said, No, it won't. And she said, Okay, I said, I'm coming back.

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And she said, when and I was like, I didn't know and then I just blurted out, it's June, right? I'm coming back in July, and she does in two or three months, maybe, and maybe you won't come back maybe, you know, it's, it took you 20 years to get here now. So, and I was like, No, they did give me a multi entry. So it shouldn't be a problem. And then the lawyer Clive said, no, no, I will accompany her. You don't worry about that. But, but you know, she was just, I left her in tears. I walked out in tears and

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with a new hope that you know, my brothers and sisters see this ray of hope and help me this time.

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Turn it into sunshine inshallah. Inshallah, so Dr. Fazio, very specifically, we are here at Hamdulillah 1000. People online 10s of 1000s are going to watch. What specifically can we do right here, especially us in Dallas, she is in Dallas. This is like for the iron on us. In particular, should we write to the prison? Chaplain? Should we, this commissary, the Doctor, what can we give money toward? Or it has to go through you like, what can we do specifically? So as for the commissary, she's allowed, only $360 a month that she can spend. So I'm not sure, putting more than that, for the commissary would be of any use to her. I mean, it could be like, if one month we

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forget or something. So she'll have leftover, that I have to look into the lawyers looking into what they do with the leftover if the prison is gonna take it, it's not worth it. But then there are other things that she could like recreation. So if she wants to crochet or knit or paint that, so she needs to buy the material, the paper, the stamps, if she wants to write you have, so there's another $300 font for that. And then there's, I think it's a $10 per minute charge for phone call.

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So if she wants to make a phone call, or email, the internet charges, and now there's video calling, also, we're trying to get all those activated for her because all this time, we didn't have any proper lawyers or anything.

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Whatever happened, the past is the past, but we were misguided or whatever, we were spending all this money, but nothing in the right direction. But this time, I got to see I got to talk to the prison people. And you know, whatever's in the manual, there's a lot of things that are other than in the manual, or I don't know what they write and what they do. But, so there's ways of doing that. So those are funds that would help her you know, it would give her recreation, she could paint she could write she loves poetry, she writes poetry, but they take it away from her

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because she doesn't have a locker.

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So and then, you know, she's and then she's also punished for like leaving a paper somewhere or something. So it's a very vicious double edged sword that you have to walk through. But we have to get her out of that unit. And then the other thing is

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after all these years, it did make a tiny difference in her life. She got two days in which she actually he managed to get commissary, she managed to have a cup of tea in peace.

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So um, so it cost me three Yes. And

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along with that, these are the three things so for everything, there's a different font. So then another thing she really wanted is that they've now allowed prisoners tablets, in which there's the mp3 player and you know, there are those whatever certain things but you know, it's nice to have a tablet I think. So that's something we could you know, donate for her get an and the other thing would be I know that um, Clive is pro bono. He's not charging him for his services, but he is based in UK.

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So if we want him to frequently come and resolve these issues, he's going to have to fly in every time which will be costly. And if I am in I do have a multiple but coming from Pocket

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Fun is not easy, not just that mean, for me, if I come from Pakistan, it's not just the airfare that I'm paying, I'm taking time off from work. And I have children,

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two wonderful children in medical school.

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And medical school is expensive anywhere in the world. So I have to pay their fees. So I can't take that much time off all the time. So you know, the airfare and that and everything does pile up. A doctor says you don't need to explain, tell us where to give simple as that we're here for you. You don't need to explain it as for Diane and all of us. So those are things where you know, your help, would, would come in useful. And obviously the campaign and everything else. But this is what I saw. We went through where do we do? Okay. So Clive has started

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a fun thing. And I, I think I have it, it's something at three DC.

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So I will get the address from you. So rather Yassa will get the and I will afford it inshallah. So this money will go to you know, it will go to the escrow account. So he's formed like a fundraiser. So he put in like, he estimated a 20,000 pounds. So um, he raised 5000, of which I'm, I mean, he must have used for his ticket, but he said his ticket wasn't much going back. And he's coming here. I had him fly from UK, to Pakistan, Pakistan to the way and then the way to America. So imagine, like 38 hours across the globe, which he could have just done in six hours from UK to America. So that is on the same plane wherever I'm traveling. So alhamdulillah, but I think it was worth the

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cost for the first time. So that I did that's not an issue. One other question, Doctor, are you I know Clive is representing at some level, but how about a local lawyer here to get these amenities, these perks? The other things that we do need, so Clive is there, right? We need someone local here, who can keep visiting her who can keep pushing the president. Right? Make sure that you know, the things are done, I need volunteers. And I need the the community will help ensure life, you know, you need expenses.

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But we don't want to we don't want to volunteer, Laurie, we want to hire the best lawyer. We want to get the best lawyer actually, I'm not sure if the best is what we want. We just want we have tried. So I'm we want someone who will work with him. So sometimes the best don't work together all the time. So true. Okay, no,

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we are all clickable. So Inshallah, I will send this email link to all of us as a community, maybe just a junior lawyer, just someone who can keep nagging them, keep you know, the presence, you know, so I forgot the money the next day, the same day, because I said, I am coming back tomorrow to check.

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I did, I told the, the guards there and that, you know, I it took me 20 years, but now I I know everyone because I had to go through the highest officials in Pakistan, the Prime Minister and the State Department here all the way to Biden, so now I can go directly to them because they made this possible. And obviously the prison was like they were made to you know, they were told to get me to come this way. So they believe that. So

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Allah insha Allah is greater than that. So he will keep that

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statement of mine and keep that fear into the prison. So they, they made things happen, right? So if the lawyer keeps going, things won't go back to what they were and will Inshallah, man get her out of the admin unit. And once she's out of there then so we need that we need we need sisters

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to go for social visits, those who are qualified, you know, it would be very nice to have psychology cure psychiatrist sisters, you know, who qualified in that so know, you know how to deal with the trauma that she's gone through, you know,

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the trauma for mother losing her children. And that so when she talks about that they know what she's talking about. And don't just think that this these are just the rantings of a crazy person or something like that. So we need some of those sisters to come out and to shed away their their fears and Inshallah, if I can make it all the way across here.

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I'm sure those here, Allah will protect Inshallah, inshallah. We're really appreciate you coming all the way I know it's been traumatic and a long day for you. We really appreciate that you spent time she delayed her return back just to be with us. She's going back tomorrow morning then

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Shall Allah so we appreciate you coming here we hope to see you again and again. We will be sending out this email message about the I have the link now. So we sending it out in sha Allah to Allah and that fund will help her come regularly and it will help Clive come and it will also help Clive hire a local lawyer. So this one fund and it isn't an escrow account. So it is managed by people who are in charge directly of Dr. Orpheus case, and insha. Allah also the Buxton is especially in sha Allah, the petition to them is to make sure that public awareness is is made, that it's the focus is on us Pakistani people to put pressure on our own government back home, to try their best to, within the

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system. Try to have some type of swap with Dr. Aafia and others exactly. I mean, the Islamabad High Court has given I think, one of the strongest orders of the history of High Court of Pakistan, for Apphia and for compliance and, and the, the court said that if at any time, there is a non compliance, told my lawyer in Islam about that you are going to come and file a complaint even if it's a Sunday, I will open the court and put out an order. I'm the lunch brother, we have the courts on our side for justice. So all I need is you all Inshallah, Kamala Harris will make special dua for you. And for DOCTOROFF here we raise our hands to Allah subhana wa Taala Yeah, how are you you're

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playing oh my god with the Quran ya Jabba yeah call we Yom when tough him Yeah, the other Jalali will Chromia how you Yatta Yo Ma semi dua, Yama, ug Buddha, our third Mortara Yamanouchi Buddha with a matar we asked you your higher Klum to free our sister office a DPL Allah Ya Allah Yes honey I do ah yeah Allah yeah del JELA they will Crom Yamantaka him ya ya we you yeah as easier Allah show us miracles yeah Allah for you are the one who gives miracles your Allah Ya Allah give sent peace and comfort on Sista Afia Allah Ya Allah give her somebody or Allah increase her Iman yeah Allah allow her to taste the sweetness of Imani Allah Ya Allah allow these difficult days to become easy for her

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yeah Allah Ya Allah give us the courage to help her from this side Allah Ya Allah reward Dr. Fozia for all that she has done yet Allah Ya Allah expedite, facilitate, facilitate and swiftly release Dr. Aafia Allah, Allah Allah Allah Dr. Aafia to be reunited with their children yeah Allah Ya Allah Allahu to be returned to Pakistan swiftly Allah Ya Allah we put our trust in you your Allah to you we complain Yet Allah to you we complain yeah Allah to you we complain of our weakness of our incapacity but are incapable enough to do anything that Allah but you are the one who is capable of all things yes me I adore ya Rahman ya Rahim your medical your produce, show us your miracles yeah

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Allah and returned Dr. Avi to her family. Indeed you are the one who listens to us. You are the one who hears our pleas you are the one who shows us your power your Allah will after that I want you to hamdulillahi rabbil Alameen wa salam O Allah who was sending him about a quarter of the Mohammed bin while earlier he was so happy and your mind does not come we'll look at Dr. Fozia once again. And we look forward to seeing you again soon inshallah. And your next trip here

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