Tom Facchine – University Raids, Fake Negotiations, Holocaust Remembrance

Tom Facchine
AI: Summary © The Yakinah Studios' livestream discusses the importance of organizing student alumni networks and fundraising for events like the Islamic Book featuring the Islamist movement. The speakers emphasize the need for students to be more inclusive and show up at police vehicles, as well as the importance of following orders and rules to prevent false accusations. They also discuss the need for students to support their cause and the importance of building community power and trust in oneself. The importance of trusting oneself and building character is also emphasized.
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Assalamu alaikumab, everybody.

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I'm Ivan Tom. Welcome to Yakinah Studios livestream.

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We're happy to have you with us tonight.

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We've got an exciting program for you all.

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First, let's take a look at who we

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have with us in the chat. Drop us

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a line, where you're from, what's on your

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mind. We have Cece from Virginia, Aya from

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Chicago,

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Shafi from Florida.

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Someone from raised in Michigan,

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but now in Egypt, Sara Ansari from Toronto.

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Everybody, welcome to the program.

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From

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New Jersey, my home state.

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Minnesota is representing Toronto,

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Victoria, Canada.

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Very, very nice. Welcome everybody to the program.

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We've got a lot of

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intense things that have been happening. If I

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look tired, it's because I am tired. The

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last,

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week to 10 days has been

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very, very

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jam packed and we have been on the

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road as you saw last week, we went

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live from New York City right across from

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Columbia University.

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Now

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as we had said last week, the plan

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was to actually go live from inside one

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of the encampments, actually the encampment at City

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College.

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But by the time that we had gotten

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to the city, the encampments both at City

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College of New York

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and the student encampment at Columbia University had

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been completely raided and wiped out by the

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police. Many of the people that we were

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in contact with, the students had been arrested,

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and we weren't able to get through to

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anybody. So we made the best of a

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of a interesting situation. Wouldn't say a bad

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situation.

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And we posted up right there on the

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street corner across from Columbia University. We've managed

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to get in touch with some Columbia students,

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and that was last week's.

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Since then,

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I have gone to a few more encampments.

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I was in San Diego,

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the previous weekend at the University of California

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San Diego

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and spent some time that weekend with the

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students. I gave a and one of them.

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It was a very, very peaceful, well organized

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encampment. And I think the day or the

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day after I left, that encampment was also

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raided by the police in a very, very

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brutal fashion,

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which surprised me, honestly. And it surprised a

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lot of the students too as well because

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there was no warning signs. There were no

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sort of escalation. In fact, it was a

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very peaceful camp encampment and they had sort

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of made an effort to be out of

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the way, not obstructing anything,

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and yet that did not save them from

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getting,

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beaten over a 100 students arrested.

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And that was in addition to what happened

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at UCLA right up the road.

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Then I came back from that, and I

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had an event in Washington DC last night,

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so I went down to visit the UPenn

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encampment on the way there.

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And then late late last night after my

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event, I made a surprise visit to the

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George Washington campus

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and visited the encampment there.

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And

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literally 2 what not more than 2 hours

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after I left,

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the police came in and swept down and

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raided that encampment,

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brutalizing the students, beating them with batons, arresting

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them, spraying mace, and things of that nature.

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So this is something that

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continues to be the topic of the day,

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continues to be a topic on everybody's minds

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That we see that the student encampment movement

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to attempt to change United States foreign policy

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on Gaza, on Palestine,

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has been spreading like like wildfire. And unfortunately,

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the majority

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of universities and colleges across the country

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have decided

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to betray

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their students

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and betray the duty that they have to

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their students, which is to protect them and

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to serve primarily

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as a place for free thought and a

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pray place for critical thinking and a a

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place for free speech.

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Right? But they have betrayed that trust and

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they have actually

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sicced the local police forces and in some

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cases,

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not local police forces on their own students

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in a dramatic escalation. And again, I want

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to to reiterate this is not something that

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is,

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always or even ever deserved. I would say

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it's not something that's ever deserved by the

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students.

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And in many cases, there were no provocations,

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no even justification whatsoever

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that the students were simply exercising their first

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amendment free,

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right to free speech, their right to free

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assembly,

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and their duty to speak out when their

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universities and, the places where they study are

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invested in this genocide as what happened not

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too long ago with South Africa, as what

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happened before that with segregation.

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The students are sort of leading the way

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with this particular thing.

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And this highlights,

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a very, very problematic thing, but also something

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that shows us an opportunity. It highlights

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how much the university system in the United

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States and the many places of the world

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have been dependent

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on greed or have actually become sort of,

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vulnerable to the profit motive. That are not

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like they were 30 years ago or 50

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years ago, that they are

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set up to maximize profits, and a big

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part of maximizing profits has to do with

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the alumni networks.

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And we see a big difference between

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how the Zionists have organized their alumni networks

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and threatened to basically

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to, pull out lots of donations and donor

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funds if the United States excuse me, if

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the universities do not crack down brutally,

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on these

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peaceful protests

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calling or

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supposedly on the allegation that they are antisemitic.

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Of course, I saw many Jews that were

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there,

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and Jewish organizations that were there in the

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encampments as well. So we know that that's

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not true. But it does show us, I

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think, in the Muslim community the importance of

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organizing, especially organizing

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our alumni.

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And this is something that comes even from

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the time of the prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi

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Wasallam when it comes to organizing money,

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That everything that you are able to do

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in society,

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part of it or a dimension of it

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is organizing the funds. And every masjid knows

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this, every mosque, you know, the 27th of

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Ramadan. That's why they lock the doors and

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have the the awkward fundraisers and don't let

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you get back to your prayers until they've

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raised a certain amount of money that

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organizing your funds is a very, very important

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part of any political movement or any religious

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movement or any movement whatsoever.

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And so we are in need of organizing

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our funds similarly and the funds of our

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donors. And this type of organization is something

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that Allah,

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actually commands us within the Quran. Allah Subhanahu

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Wa Ta'ala said,

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He basically says that the people

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that represent evil forces on earth, or as

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I like to say evil doesn't rest, Evil

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does not

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sleep. And so the forces of evil, those

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who are motivated by greed and motivated by

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tribalism and motivated by less than noble motivations,

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they're not gonna rest, they're not gonna stop

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organizing, they're not gonna stop spending, they're not

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gonna stop doing what they're doing in order

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to bring their vision to life. And so

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in this, he

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said,

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if you don't do similar,

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and what is meant by similar means organize

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yourselves in the same way, act in a

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similar way, then there is going to be

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a lot of mischief and corruption

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on earth.

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We have a question here, and I I

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wanna pause and take it because it's a

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really good one. Muslim 604 says many celebrity

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scholars are taking photo ops at the encampments,

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but would they be willing to show up

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when a police raid is imminent? And I

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really appreciate you saying that, and I completely

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agree with that a 100%.

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That and that's part of why I

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tend to not announce if I'm going to

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a specific place. I tend to wait until

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I'm invited. Or if I show up, I

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am there actually to protect if something were

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to go down. And I was there, at

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George Washington in the middle of the night,

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and if I had known

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that

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the police were going to raid it 2

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more hours, I would have stayed there for

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2 more hours,

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In any attempt to to try to these

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students are putting their bodies on the line,

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and I believe that the imams and the

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local religious leaders, and the greater community,

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the greater Muslim community, should also put their

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bodies on the line to protect these young

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people. And I actually gave,

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a somewhat fiery Khutba at the Islamic Center

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of San Diego, you can look up their

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their YouTube channel,

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challenging the local community to do just that.

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This is something that I believe personally,

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is is an important thing It's an important

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thing for our communities to rise to the

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occasion and protect our young people because,

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our universities are not protecting them. Quite the

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opposite, they are actually endangering them.

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That being said, a huge congratulations has to

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go out to these students that they have

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forced the issue. They have made this into

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a nationally discussed issue. Without the student encampments,

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which are were very organic and very grassroots,

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that

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we wouldn't be talking about it in the

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same way. Pay attention how

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this week, a new interesting development

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has happened as unfortunately,

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Israel is encroaching and invading Rafah.

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That,

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for the first time so far, that the

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Biden administration has delayed or paused

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a shipment

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of weapons

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to Israel. Now this has never happened before,

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and this, I think, is very concerning to

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Israel that the United States would,

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I wouldn't say something as strong as put

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its foot down because that's not what it

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is, but

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show perhaps there's starting to be

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a reluctance

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to be so directly involved.

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And I, a 100%, believe that the student

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encampments are part of that change in policy

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that making it

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into a very,

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a national conversation.

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It looks bad. We have a national of

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protest movements, of student movements. Everybody's comparing it

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to Vietnam. We all know how history treated

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those people who were trying to perpetuate the

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the war against Vietnam,

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that it looks very, very bad for the

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government right now. That,

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the government wishes that all of this would

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go away. They did not anticipate on things

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dragging out this long. They did not anticipate

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so much resistance.

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And the students,

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kudos and congratulations to them,

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by turning this into a national conversation, forcing

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it in a very, very visible way

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has not just made it into a national

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conversation, but the imagery

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of students being maced of religious leaders. The

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imam I was with in San Diego, Imam

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Taha, I was with him just a day

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before he was maced by police. Right? It's,

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it is achieving the increase of sympathy

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for this cause.

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Despite the mainstream media narratives of these encampments

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are are supposedly pro terrorist, supposedly anti Semitic,

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which everybody sees through at this point, that

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putting your body on the line is actually

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increasing sympathy for this cause, and the students

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are leading the way. Props to them.

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This is something that actually also comes from

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our tradition. We see that the Muslims, the

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early Muslims,

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when they were

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sort

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of an embattled minority

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in Mecca, that a few of them dared

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to pray in public and they were beaten.

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They were publicly beaten for this for this

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cause. And that even the boy, the Quraish

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went to the extent to boycott

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them. And this was something that actually even

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stirred the sympathy of some of the Quraish

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who weren't so opposed to the Muslims.

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And there's a long history there that we

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can go. We have one thing that we'll

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go to the guys in the studio to

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bring up. There was one University of Chicago

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student

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that's been making the rounds. He was given

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the opportunity to speak to media, and he

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was extremely articulate

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in, in pleading the case. And, again, we're

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talking about legacy media. We're talking

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about, media folks and journalists who are not

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particularly friendly to this cause,

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but the cause is becoming so imminent and

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the righteousness of this cause is becoming so

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imminent that we're starting to see the cracks

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in that. So let's play, let's play the

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interview. Continue following orders. And when you're talking

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about a genocide, visited upon a colonized population

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of 2,000,000 people trapped in a ghetto that's

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as long as a marathon and 6 miles

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wide. When that ghetto is being systematically starved,

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slaughtered, every hospital bombed, every university bombed, 70%

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of homes destroyed,

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40,000 people murdered, 15,000 children murdered, the entire

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population on the brink of starvation. We say

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and if our government and our academic institutions

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are complicit in this, there comes a point

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where we say we're not following orders, and

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it doesn't matter what we do to us

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because there are principles and there are human

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lives that matter more than our careers and

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our futures. And that's what separates us from

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people like Paul Alivisatos, the coward president of

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this university, and these coward cops that come

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in terrorizing and encandered what people people I

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sleep

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with.

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Yes. Excellent. A very, very articulate young man,

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very well stated, and I'll,

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prop up Muslim 604 again with another insightful

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comment,

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saying, sadly, the Muslim community isn't really helping

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out the encampments

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when, they are being attacked by police. It's

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mostly just leftists. I will say that having

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been to several encampments now, there are there

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is some difference between from encampment to encampment,

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but largely, unfortunately, that's correct. And this is

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where the message that I've been trying to

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carry to the different places that I've been

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traveling

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is for the Muslims to support these things

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that if you're if you don't like how

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how un Islamic they are, then the solution

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is to step in and make it Islamic,

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to be frank. Not in a controlling way,

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not in a way that you're taking over,

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but in a participatory way. And this is

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a big subject, and we'll be writing on

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this for Yaqeen Institute upcoming,

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Insha'Allah, so keep your eyes peeled for that.

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But I agree that this is a very,

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very important point.

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Now

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as the university sagas continue to unfold, we've

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seen that some universities

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seemed to have negotiated or seemed to have

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listened

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to, the demands of their student encampments,

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and have attempted to sort of remedy things.

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However, upon further inspection

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upon further inspection,

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many of these negotiations

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were fruitless or let's say they're not completely

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in good faith. This is actually a well

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known tactic

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where universities

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promise certain things that are unenforceable or very,

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very vague in order to appease and to

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mollify the student,

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the student movement. Whether it's Evergreen University and

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Rutgers University, there's been some dispute about,

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are they really going to divest? Did they

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agree to agree to agree to talk about

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it? Right? Those are 2 very different things.

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That

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long story short, the universities have the ability

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if they really wanted to, just like they

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exercise the ability to unilaterally come down and

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call the police on their own students, that

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if they really wanted to, they do have

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the unilateral ability to divest from genocide, but

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they refuse to. And so now there's this

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stance,

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now there's this dance where if they're really

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pushed, they will pick a few students, perhaps

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students that they think that they can influence,

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and they will meet with them, and they

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will say, well, let's agree to some certain

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points, but those points are really

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without teeth. They're without enforcement mechanisms, etcetera, etcetera.

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And this is a,

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this is something that all the Muslim students,

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I hope that if you're watching, to be

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aware of, to not be suckered by this

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type of negotiation tactic. This is actually something

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that the Quraysh tried to pull on the

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prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

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Right? That when the movement started really catching

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on, the movement of tawhid, the movement of

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worshiping the one God, the creator,

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and getting rid of all the superstitions and

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getting rid of all of the accumulated sort

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of human inventions

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within religious practice that was prevalent at the

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time, they tried to strike a deal with

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him. But it was not a good deal.

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It was a raw deal. They said, hey,

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guess

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what? Why don't you worship our idols for

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a year and we'll worship just Allah for

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a year and we'll switch off? And as

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we all know how that ended up, Allah

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revealed Surat of Kafirun

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where Allah told the Prophet to

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tell

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them that we don't worship what you worship

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and you don't worship what I worship. You

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have your way and I have mine. This

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is a lesson about how to not give

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up your leverage and how to keep what

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makes your cause righteous, and to not give

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it up just at the very, very, very

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first instance.

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Excellent. The second thing we'd like to talk

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about today before getting into we do have

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a special somebody who made a big splash

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on the student activism scene from one of

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our own.

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Before we get to that, we wanna talk

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about Biden's address. So the anniversary of the

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Holocaust

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recently passed, and president Biden genocide Joe himself,

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he

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took the opportunity

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to put his foot or or wedge his

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foot even further in his mouth. I know

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we have a graphic. Can we pull it

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up?

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Showing his quote, what he said.

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What would he choose to use this opportunity

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to draw attention to?

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Only blaming

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Palestinians,

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ignoring the plight of Palestinians,

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only talking about the

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increased antisemitism

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since,

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October 7th,

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nothing at all

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about

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the holocaust that's going on right now,

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the,

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the genocide that's going on right now against

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the Palestinian people, especially in Gaza, whether it

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was the slow genocide of before October 7th

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or the fast genocide after that. And also

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nothing to say, he mentions the hostages, etcetera,

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that Israel this week admitted what we've known

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for quite a long time that they have

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no interest in recovering these hostages. That basically,

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that was a legitimizing discourse. That was something

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that they were sort of holding on as

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a bargaining chip, but in reality, their demands

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are elsewhere. They want to eliminate

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Palestinians from Palestine and the people of Gaza

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from Gaza in particular.

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Now

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it's important to know, and we're spending quite

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a bit of time on current events because

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things are happening so fast these days, that

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during this process, these last 7 months, a

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lot of us have been reexamining

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our relationships.

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Okay?

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Reexamining the relationships that we've been forging as

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Muslims

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in our communities. And we wanted to highlight

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somebody and we don't always do this. We

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prefer not to mention individuals, but this person

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is outside of the Muslim community. So they

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have a different sort

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of, standard that we apply to them. Let's

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bring up we have,

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Craig Considine, doctor Craig Considine,

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somebody who was a darling in the Muslim

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community, as a Christian who was saying positive

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things about Muslims

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before October 7th, somebody who

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was

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well compensated on the speaker circuit and getting

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invited to speak at universities and different interfaith

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events,

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has

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gone or has reduced himself to this.

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And you can read the sort of anti

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Palestinian, anti Muslim rhetoric

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that so easily comes out of his mouth.

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That

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I will stress it again that this should

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be a time where when Allah

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shows you something about people. When people show

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you their true colors then you pay attention

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and the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said that

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the believer is not stung through the same

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hole twice. The believer is not stung through

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the same hole twice. That much of what

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we believed was interfaith or that we called

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interfaith before October

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was in reality

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what people call faith washing, or what I

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call biryani diplomacy. The premise upon the idea

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that if enough people like us, if we

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are cuddly and friendly, that they won't want

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to kill us. Well, we've seen that that

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strategy

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didn't work unfortunately. And Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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says something very, very interesting in Surah Al

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Ma'idah He says,

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He says, oh, you have who have believed.

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Don't take as close intimate friends, people other

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than yourselves.

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4,

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some of these people will not spare you

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any ruin. They don't want good for you.

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They wish that you would have hardship

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for those who for whom hatred has already

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appeared from their mouths,

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then what they conceal on their hearts is

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greater.

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So we see the types of remarks made

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by the the likes of doctor Craig Considine,

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and I don't want anybody to forget this

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going forward. That this is what has come

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from his mouth or from his fingers on

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Twitter, and that what he holds within his

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heart is even greater than that. Allah says,

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we have certainly made clear to you the

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signs if only you will use your reason.

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And with that, we go to our 2nd

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segment today. So in the context of the

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student encampments and the student protests, as we

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know it's May, it's graduation season. We have

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somebody who,

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made quite a splash at Georgia Tech University,

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a university that I visited not too long

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ago.

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We would welcome like to welcome Bisan Hamid

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to the program.

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Y'all can hear me?

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Sorry. Let me get my sound here. Oh,

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how are you? I'm good.

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I graduated from Georgia State, but Georgia Tech

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is awesome.

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Apologies. Georgia State. Excellent.

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So let's play, first of all, in the

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studio, let's play the clip from the graduation

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ceremony, and let's take a look at that,

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and then we'll we'll chat about it.

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Palestine

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Hara Hamid.

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What's that? The

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man in blue is probably the lightest clap

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I've ever seen,

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though he picks it up at the end.

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So

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let's talk about it. You changed your name

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or you put your name as

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as Palestine Hurrah,

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and you were shouting we can't hear what

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you were shouting on the video. Tell us,

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what were you what was the plan, and

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and what did you do? Yeah. So,

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I you can briefly hear in the beginning

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of what what I was saying, and then

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the cheers start. But I was saying 40,000

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Palestinians

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have been,

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massacred.

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And I was saying Georgia state divest from

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Israel

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and there are no more,

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universities left in Gaza.

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Yeah. That that's basically That's all. And is

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this something that you had planned ahead of

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time, or is this something that was spontaneous?

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Were other people sort of helping you think

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up what to do?

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Yeah. I was I planned this,

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ahead of time. I you know, the flag

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that I held towards the end, I originally

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wanted to bring that on stage, but they

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caught me. And,

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I was trying to push past them and

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to to have them let me go on

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stage with the with the flag, but the

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the police officer who was, you know, intervening,

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he

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offered at one point. He was like, here.

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You can give me the flag, and then

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I'll give it back to you. So I

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I looked at him, and I was like,

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give me the flag immediately after I get

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off the stage. I was pretty much just,

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like, having

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to, like, ad lib this as as I

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was going because I didn't expect that. But

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that's when I, you know, got off the

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stage and immediately decided to, like,

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head in the the center of the aisle

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and hold up the flag, which says GSU

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and GILLI. And I can explain more what

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that is if you would like. Yeah. Please.

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No. Go ahead.

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So,

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Gilly is actually a program. It's called the

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Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange Program. And this

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is ideally what I wanted to bring

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attention to. It's like I honestly did not

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imagine that the video would go viral. I

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was addressing this to my community at Georgia

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State.

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And,

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so basically,

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Georgia State houses in its school of, Andrew

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Young School of Policy Studies

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what's called the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange

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Program.

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And this is a program which sends Georgia

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police

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everything from MARTA police like the our public

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transportation police to school police

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to you know just just Georgia police in

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general to train

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with Israeli police

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in counter terrorism and urban warfare tactics. And

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Israeli police also come here and train with

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Georgia police. And, this is not a unique

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program. There are other programs in other states,

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but, I I believe,

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the the Georgia

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program is the only one which is actually

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housed at a public institution like Georgia State.

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So that's really what I wanted to bring

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attention to.

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And I love that. And that's one thing

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that I've noticed going around the different encampments.

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How smart the students are and how specific

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their demands are. And so that's a very,

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very concrete thing that you're asking of the

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university. We're not asking for something vague, like

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tear down white supremacy, which I'm not saying,

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hey, that needs to be done too. But

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when it comes to when we're talking to

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a university,

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part of the strategy is to craft demands

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that can be met and that are specific.

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And that really make the college look really

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bad if they say, no. We don't want

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to,

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actually do that. When I was in San

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Diego, the University of California San Diego had

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an exchange program with universities

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with a university in Tel Aviv, and the

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Palestinian students can't go. Like, not only, like,

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would they not want to go. Right? But,

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like, just to think that there is that

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universities in the United States of America are

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having exchange programs where

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some of their students cannot go. Is there

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anything more damning and indicative

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of apartheid than that? So that was one

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of their very specific demands.

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So that's really an amazing,

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job, a well crafted message, a very tight

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organized message.

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Talk to us about sort of

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how has the the this the university's reaction

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been? Has there been any traction for this

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type of divestment movement?

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Yeah. So

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can you know, conveniently,

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the university didn't

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say anything about what I was trying to

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raise awareness of. They really just said because

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okay. And so,

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let's let's talk about how,

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after what I had done and you know

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the images were going everywhere,

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there was

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talk of how

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I was removed for for wearing a

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which

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in my case that wasn't the that wasn't

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the case, but,

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my

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commencement ceremony was in the morning and then

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there was the undergraduate commencement ceremony which happened

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at 1 PM later.

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And so, Folesini

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students, like undergrads who were wearing kufiyas,

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I suppose because of what I had done

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had were were being discriminated against. So they

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had their kefiyas

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confiscated. Some of them had their kefiyas confiscated.

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Some of the families of the students who

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were wearing kefirs were told

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to go put it back in their cars.

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Otherwise, they weren't allowed into the into the

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the building.

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They were told they were threatened with the

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rescinding of their degrees,

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which the, the president who you saw in

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the video had sent out an email saying,

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you know,

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nobody had their degrees removed.

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We allow people to wear their cultural dress,

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but, like, there was no

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acknowledgement of the very real

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threats that were made to the undergraduate students

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of rescinding their degrees and also the very

00:28:14 --> 00:28:16

real confiscation and discrimination

00:28:17 --> 00:28:19

felicining students at the undergrad when you feel

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like wearing Kaffee is.

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And that's a very important point too because

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one of the tactics we've seen from the

00:28:25 --> 00:28:28

universities is to play both sides, right? They're

00:28:28 --> 00:28:29

sort of like a good cop, bad cop

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sort of thing where

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it would look really bad if they're actually

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universally throughout the the institution threatening to take

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away degrees for something as simple as a

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or

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or this type of statement.

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But then they'll allow

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sort of the security forces or the other

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sort of forces that they are giving directives

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to or giving instructions to to basically make

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these threats and make intimidation and and and

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these sorts of things. So they let other

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people do their dirty work,

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which is a a theme that we've seen

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over and over again. And they try to

00:29:00 --> 00:29:03

turn other students against you. Right? So that's

00:29:03 --> 00:29:04

something I've seen in other

00:29:05 --> 00:29:08

universities as well where they'll take something away,

00:29:08 --> 00:29:10

a privilege. Right? And they'll say, well, we've

00:29:10 --> 00:29:13

done this because these troublemakers have sort of

00:29:13 --> 00:29:15

ruined it for everybody.

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Tell us about sort of what were your

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emotions? Were you were you scared? Were you

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excited? Like like, what about sort of you

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didn't expect this to blow up the way

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it did. It blew up. Now, you know,

00:29:25 --> 00:29:28

you're much more famous than you anticipated on

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being.

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Is that something that scares you? Are you

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concerned about getting docs? Like like, where are

00:29:34 --> 00:29:35

you at emotionally now?

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As a little freaked out, you know, my

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last

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everywhere I'm a person

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with my information.

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Yeah. We're having a couple audio issues here.

00:30:05 --> 00:30:06

That last

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those last comments didn't come through. But, Savannah,

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a lot we'll try to reconnect, be sent.

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And if we can't,

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I think all of us have benefited plenty

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from her courage,

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and we certainly see here an example of

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what Allah said

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that

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if you have

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if there is

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evil going on, that you have a duty

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to change it. Right? That Allah Subhanahu Wa

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Ta'ala

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That the people who were sort of rejecting

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faith from the children of Israel,

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David himself

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and Jesus himself cursed them.

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And what what was one of the reasons

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for cursing them?

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Allah

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says They used to not

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try to prevent other people from doing evil

00:31:02 --> 00:31:04

that they saw. We know the prophet said

00:31:04 --> 00:31:06

that if you see an evil, then you

00:31:06 --> 00:31:07

change it with your hand. And if you

00:31:07 --> 00:31:08

can't, then with your speech. And if you

00:31:08 --> 00:31:11

can't, then with your heart. I think we've

00:31:11 --> 00:31:12

got here,

00:31:12 --> 00:31:14

again. Sorry. Let's let's try it again.

00:31:15 --> 00:31:17

Yes. Are you able to hear me? Yes.

00:31:17 --> 00:31:18

Yes. I can. Alright.

00:31:18 --> 00:31:19

Yeah. So,

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I don't know at what point I cut

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out, but It was towards the beginning. So,

00:31:23 --> 00:31:25

your your emotional state, how are you doing

00:31:25 --> 00:31:28

now? Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm glad I'm

00:31:28 --> 00:31:29

glad that it happened the way that it

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did. You know, Allah only allows for things

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to happen,

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as as he wills.

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I I would say, like,

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as worried I was about maybe doxing or

00:31:42 --> 00:31:44

people in my family saying, oh, I hope

00:31:44 --> 00:31:46

they don't take away your degree or something

00:31:46 --> 00:31:49

like that. I think what's important to mention

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here is that

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our our fear of what repercussions we face

00:31:54 --> 00:31:56

that are related to Dunya

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should never supersede

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our fear of Allah. Like this is really,

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and I think that what I did wasn't

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even like the most that anyone could do.

00:32:06 --> 00:32:08

I feel like it was the least that

00:32:08 --> 00:32:09

I could do, honestly.

00:32:11 --> 00:32:12

I, you know,

00:32:13 --> 00:32:15

in for like, I think individual acts of

00:32:15 --> 00:32:18

sacrifice are important. You know, maybe if I

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was, was potentially putting my, my degree on

00:32:20 --> 00:32:21

the line, but also like,

00:32:22 --> 00:32:24

it's more important that we also move towards

00:32:24 --> 00:32:27

building power, like, community power. And I I

00:32:27 --> 00:32:30

believe you you talk about this, a lot.

00:32:30 --> 00:32:32

Oh, so you're speaking my language.

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Yeah. This is what we do. And, I'm

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a member of the Palestinian Youth Movement,

00:32:37 --> 00:32:40

actually. Oh, wow. So, yeah, this is it's

00:32:40 --> 00:32:40

just

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yeah.

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Well, good for you. I mean, I I'm

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I'm extremely proud of you, and everyone like

00:32:46 --> 00:32:48

you, and I think that this is

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one of the most hopeful things. You know,

00:32:50 --> 00:32:50

I was sitting

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yesterday with,

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you know, the the students at UPenn, and

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they were asking me, well, what if our

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

parents are sort of discouraging us? I said,

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there's certain things that you have to do

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in this life that, you know, this is

00:33:01 --> 00:33:03

farqifay on us. Like, to be able to

00:33:03 --> 00:33:05

show up for Palestine is is a communal

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obligation.

00:33:06 --> 00:33:08

And we know that there's no obedience

00:33:08 --> 00:33:10

to the creation when it contradicts obedience to

00:33:10 --> 00:33:11

Allah

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that we know that we're going to have

00:33:14 --> 00:33:16

people that are concerned for our safety and

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

concern for our well-being and may Allah reward

00:33:18 --> 00:33:19

them for their intentions. But

00:33:20 --> 00:33:21

at the end of the day, that

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a 100%

00:33:23 --> 00:33:24

sacrifice mindset is what it's going to be.

00:33:24 --> 00:33:27

Like, if we really believe that Allah is

00:33:27 --> 00:33:30

a razak, we really believe these things that

00:33:30 --> 00:33:33

we've heard every single year in Sunday school

00:33:33 --> 00:33:35

or weekend school or every single Khutba

00:33:35 --> 00:33:38

about the angels writing your risk and how

00:33:38 --> 00:33:40

much money you're going to have in your

00:33:40 --> 00:33:42

job, in your house. It's already decided.

00:33:42 --> 00:33:45

So, really, we have two choices. We get

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

to get what's determined for us anyway

00:33:48 --> 00:33:49

and be brave

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and do what we need to do from

00:33:51 --> 00:33:53

what Allah hopes for us,

00:33:53 --> 00:33:56

or we're gonna get what we have been

00:33:56 --> 00:33:58

sort of decreed anyway and live like cowards

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and fail the test that is presented to

00:34:00 --> 00:34:01

us.

00:34:02 --> 00:34:03

And I was just very,

00:34:03 --> 00:34:05

happy that you're able to to join us

00:34:05 --> 00:34:06

and and inspire,

00:34:07 --> 00:34:09

the rest of us with your courage. So

00:34:09 --> 00:34:12

is there anything, I guess, to to close

00:34:12 --> 00:34:13

out, is there any sort of message that

00:34:13 --> 00:34:16

you would give if there's high school students

00:34:16 --> 00:34:19

or if there's other university students that are

00:34:19 --> 00:34:19

thinking about

00:34:20 --> 00:34:22

doing something similar or they want to do

00:34:22 --> 00:34:23

something, what would you say to students like

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

that? Yeah. I would say just,

00:34:26 --> 00:34:28

and this is part of, like, our politics

00:34:28 --> 00:34:31

is the Palestinian Youth Movement is

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

understand your role in the diaspora,

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

your role as a Muslim, as a Palestinian,

00:34:36 --> 00:34:37

as Arab,

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

that we're not just in solidarity

00:34:40 --> 00:34:41

with

00:34:41 --> 00:34:44

Palestine and we're not just in solidarity with

00:34:44 --> 00:34:46

with the people in Palestine. We are Palestinians.

00:34:46 --> 00:34:48

They are they are Palestine, they are Muslims,

00:34:48 --> 00:34:49

we are,

00:34:50 --> 00:34:51

we should be we are we should be

00:34:51 --> 00:34:53

considering ourselves as fighting alongside

00:34:54 --> 00:34:57

our our our ummah, our fellow Palestinians.

00:34:58 --> 00:35:00

We are fighting just another front

00:35:00 --> 00:35:02

of of of the battle.

00:35:02 --> 00:35:04

They're fighting one front in Gaza,

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

and we are also fighting another front here

00:35:07 --> 00:35:09

in the diaspora. When we talk about

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

the the Intifada is globalized.

00:35:12 --> 00:35:14

We like we are here and and and

00:35:14 --> 00:35:15

we are also

00:35:16 --> 00:35:17

fighting as

00:35:17 --> 00:35:19

this this fight as well and that

00:35:19 --> 00:35:22

the support for the popular cradle, the resistance

00:35:22 --> 00:35:24

in Gaza is is

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

is like our support for them is integral

00:35:28 --> 00:35:30

is integral to to to to the to

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

the to the resistance in Gaza. And,

00:35:33 --> 00:35:35

and and throughout 48, like, we,

00:35:36 --> 00:35:39

as Muslims, like, they are fighting the the

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

the the in in the cause of Allah,

00:35:41 --> 00:35:44

and we cannot abandon them. We cannot

00:35:45 --> 00:35:46

for fear of whatever

00:35:47 --> 00:35:49

repercussions in this dunya cannot afford because they

00:35:49 --> 00:35:51

ultimate so we

00:35:52 --> 00:35:53

taking

00:35:59 --> 00:36:00

your sound is starting to go again.

00:36:01 --> 00:36:03

But, one thing that your comments remind me

00:36:03 --> 00:36:06

of are, images we showed last week from

00:36:06 --> 00:36:06

the

00:36:07 --> 00:36:09

the messages that were coming from Aghaz, people

00:36:09 --> 00:36:12

writing even in English on the side of

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

their tents with nothing in support of the

00:36:14 --> 00:36:17

student movements, in support of the student encampments.

00:36:18 --> 00:36:19

So there is this interconnectivity.

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

Right? And I always

00:36:22 --> 00:36:24

tell, you know, people we're here, we're Muslims,

00:36:24 --> 00:36:27

like, not just Palestinians that are in the

00:36:27 --> 00:36:30

diaspora, but we I believe that Muslims need

00:36:30 --> 00:36:32

to consider this our diaspora too. Right? Because

00:36:32 --> 00:36:33

the prophet

00:36:34 --> 00:36:36

said that we are one body as Muslims.

00:36:36 --> 00:36:38

So it's not yes. I mean, obviously, it

00:36:38 --> 00:36:41

immediately affects Palestinians more immediately, but it should

00:36:41 --> 00:36:44

also very, very, very immediately affect every single

00:36:44 --> 00:36:45

Muslim on earth.

00:36:46 --> 00:36:48

That this is something that is our issue.

00:36:49 --> 00:36:52

And our role here in the United States

00:36:52 --> 00:36:53

is to

00:36:54 --> 00:36:55

do what we can to change the the

00:36:55 --> 00:36:58

foreign policy of this country. And that is

00:36:58 --> 00:36:59

something that we shouldn't be shy to say,

00:36:59 --> 00:37:02

that the foreign policy of the United States

00:37:02 --> 00:37:02

is

00:37:02 --> 00:37:03

hurting

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

people abroad. First of all, it's immoral, and

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

it's evil, and it's wrong. And second of

00:37:08 --> 00:37:09

all, it's hurting

00:37:09 --> 00:37:10

other Muslims.

00:37:10 --> 00:37:13

And so we exercise our rights,

00:37:13 --> 00:37:15

in order to try to change that, and

00:37:15 --> 00:37:17

that's sort of, a huge role and a

00:37:17 --> 00:37:18

huge,

00:37:18 --> 00:37:19

a huge role for us to play.

00:37:20 --> 00:37:22

Now we've got you're with us again, Vissen?

00:37:22 --> 00:37:24

Yeah. Can you hear me? I'm so sorry.

00:37:24 --> 00:37:25

I don't know what's happening.

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

We can't hear you. Oh.

00:37:28 --> 00:37:29

Okay. Well,

00:37:30 --> 00:37:30

we'll

00:37:31 --> 00:37:33

cut our losses, and we thank you very

00:37:33 --> 00:37:34

much, Bissen, for,

00:37:35 --> 00:37:36

for coming with us, and we hope to

00:37:36 --> 00:37:37

see you again.

00:37:37 --> 00:37:40

And, Insha'Allah, we'll be in contact, Hopefully, be

00:37:40 --> 00:37:42

down in Atlanta sometime to do some things

00:37:42 --> 00:37:42

with with PYM.

00:37:43 --> 00:37:44

Keep up the great work. We're all very

00:37:44 --> 00:37:46

proud of you, and salaam alaikum.

00:37:47 --> 00:37:48

Thank you.

00:37:52 --> 00:37:55

Okay. Very good. So we're gonna transition to

00:37:55 --> 00:37:56

our next segment,

00:37:57 --> 00:38:01

which is going through Amalul Laylul Nahaar. We

00:38:01 --> 00:38:02

have the sort of actions of the prophet

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

sallallahu alaihi wasallam.

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

Let's see. We have here 444 here. We

00:38:12 --> 00:38:13

got a we got a comment that we

00:38:13 --> 00:38:15

have to highlight here.

00:38:16 --> 00:38:17

Fun and facts, though, is it's not about

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

Muslims. Palestine is a diverse community. It has

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

people from all sects. People need to look

00:38:21 --> 00:38:23

at Palestinians without a religious lens. I completely

00:38:23 --> 00:38:25

disagree. I think that's completely backwards.

00:38:26 --> 00:38:26

Now

00:38:26 --> 00:38:28

there's a way in which you're right,

00:38:29 --> 00:38:31

and that is it is not exclusively a

00:38:31 --> 00:38:33

religious issue. And nobody's pretending that Palestine is

00:38:33 --> 00:38:34

only made up of Muslims,

00:38:35 --> 00:38:37

That there are Christians, there are atheists, there

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

are Jews, etcetera, etcetera.

00:38:39 --> 00:38:42

That's not the claim. But to say that

00:38:42 --> 00:38:43

there is no religious dimension

00:38:44 --> 00:38:46

or Islamic dimension to this cause is is

00:38:46 --> 00:38:46

foolhardy,

00:38:47 --> 00:38:47

to be frank.

00:38:48 --> 00:38:49

That when

00:38:49 --> 00:38:52

the Zionists have worked so hard

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

to establish this pipeline

00:38:54 --> 00:38:55

where anybody

00:38:56 --> 00:38:59

who supports Palestine is on this sort of

00:38:59 --> 00:39:00

construed as

00:39:00 --> 00:39:04

a target for anti terrorism legislation or anti

00:39:04 --> 00:39:05

extremism legislation,

00:39:06 --> 00:39:08

and that does affect all Muslims. Right? That

00:39:08 --> 00:39:10

all Muslims are affected by this type of

00:39:10 --> 00:39:11

legislation,

00:39:13 --> 00:39:15

that all Muslims are affected by this type

00:39:15 --> 00:39:17

of discourse. We are criminalized and we are

00:39:17 --> 00:39:18

securitized.

00:39:19 --> 00:39:20

So there are specificities

00:39:21 --> 00:39:22

and there is nuance.

00:39:22 --> 00:39:25

But to erase religion from it entirely

00:39:25 --> 00:39:26

is a mistake

00:39:27 --> 00:39:28

for the reasons that I mentioned

00:39:28 --> 00:39:31

and for the reasons of many of the

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

people in Gaza themselves

00:39:33 --> 00:39:34

are,

00:39:35 --> 00:39:38

they are engaging in the activities they're engaging

00:39:38 --> 00:39:41

in upon religious grounds. So we cannot sort

00:39:41 --> 00:39:43

of you know, it's no secret that there

00:39:43 --> 00:39:44

is sometimes a,

00:39:45 --> 00:39:45

disconnect

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

between pro Palestinian activism

00:39:48 --> 00:39:50

in the western world or in the diaspora

00:39:50 --> 00:39:52

versus pro Palestinian activism

00:39:53 --> 00:39:53

in Palestine and Gaza.

00:39:54 --> 00:39:55

Right? That many people

00:39:56 --> 00:39:56

are,

00:39:58 --> 00:39:59

motivated by what they're doing

00:40:00 --> 00:40:00

by

00:40:01 --> 00:40:03

religious sentiment, and that is not something that

00:40:03 --> 00:40:05

we should necessarily hide from. In fact, if

00:40:05 --> 00:40:06

we erase it,

00:40:07 --> 00:40:07

this is another

00:40:08 --> 00:40:10

type of colonialism. This is another type of

00:40:10 --> 00:40:13

colonialism and we've seen this that the colonial

00:40:13 --> 00:40:13

powers,

00:40:14 --> 00:40:17

colonial Europe has always attempted to secularize Islam

00:40:18 --> 00:40:19

because of the,

00:40:19 --> 00:40:22

potent force that it represents and the counter

00:40:22 --> 00:40:25

and anti colonial force that it represents,

00:40:25 --> 00:40:26

but more on that later.

00:40:27 --> 00:40:30

We'll get to actions of the prophet We've

00:40:31 --> 00:40:33

reached the time of day around Asar and

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Maghrib, and so there are certain things that

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happen around Asar and Maghrib that every Muslim

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should be aware of.

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Asar and Maghrib and this is actually a

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difference between of opinion between the

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as to when is the appropriate time of

00:40:46 --> 00:40:49

the dhikr of Al Mas'at. Is it after

00:40:49 --> 00:40:49

Asr

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or is it after Maghrib or around Maghrib?

00:40:53 --> 00:40:55

These are two opinions. They have many ulama

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on each side.

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If you want to put it in a

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general sort of way, the time between Asr

00:41:00 --> 00:41:02

and the setting of the sun, that is

00:41:02 --> 00:41:04

a good time and the preferred time to

00:41:04 --> 00:41:06

make the same sort of that

00:41:07 --> 00:41:08

you were made making and that we covered

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

around Fajr, around the dawn, to make it

00:41:10 --> 00:41:12

again at the evening.

00:41:12 --> 00:41:14

And we have hadith from the prophet

00:41:15 --> 00:41:17

that told us that this is also one

00:41:17 --> 00:41:19

of the times after Asr where the angels

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

sort of swap out that you have these

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

angels on your shoulders. They're recording your deeds.

00:41:23 --> 00:41:26

Right? And they exchange with with 2 other

00:41:26 --> 00:41:28

angels every fajr and at every Asar.

00:41:29 --> 00:41:30

Now there's a couple of particularities

00:41:31 --> 00:41:33

when it comes to,

00:41:33 --> 00:41:36

in particular, sundown. We if you've studied a

00:41:36 --> 00:41:39

bit of Islamic law, you might know that

00:41:39 --> 00:41:41

the setting of the sun is.

00:41:41 --> 00:41:42

This is a,

00:41:44 --> 00:41:46

a very particular time, like, a time of

00:41:46 --> 00:41:48

prohibition where certain types of prayers

00:41:49 --> 00:41:49

are not permissible,

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

and whatnot. And there are is a hadith,

00:41:53 --> 00:41:54

I think, that we have it, yeah, if

00:41:54 --> 00:41:55

we can show it here in the studio,

00:41:56 --> 00:41:58

where the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam also

00:41:58 --> 00:41:59

encourages

00:42:00 --> 00:42:00

us to

00:42:01 --> 00:42:03

keep our children close to us and even

00:42:03 --> 00:42:05

to keep our children indoors

00:42:05 --> 00:42:08

around the setting of the sun.

00:42:08 --> 00:42:11

Right? That now what I find very interesting

00:42:11 --> 00:42:13

is that when

00:42:14 --> 00:42:17

we get more distance from the setting of

00:42:17 --> 00:42:19

the sun, then it it's explicitly saying that

00:42:19 --> 00:42:20

you can let them free. You can go

00:42:20 --> 00:42:24

out again. So it's not necessarily saying that

00:42:24 --> 00:42:24

you need to

00:42:25 --> 00:42:26

have your children and lock them in the

00:42:26 --> 00:42:29

house from sundown on. No. Going about after

00:42:29 --> 00:42:32

that is perfectly fine according to the text

00:42:32 --> 00:42:32

of the hadith.

00:42:33 --> 00:42:36

But there's something interesting in the unseen world

00:42:37 --> 00:42:39

that we're not a 100% observant of or

00:42:39 --> 00:42:42

able to observe that goes on around the

00:42:42 --> 00:42:42

time of sunset.

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

That makes it particularly dangerous for children, and

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

the prophet Mohammed said

00:42:47 --> 00:42:49

to keep a watch over your children around

00:42:49 --> 00:42:50

that time.

00:42:52 --> 00:42:53

Moving on,

00:42:53 --> 00:42:54

let's hit our

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personal development segment for today. We're going to

00:42:58 --> 00:42:59

condense because we've got,

00:43:00 --> 00:43:01

a lot of really good books to get

00:43:01 --> 00:43:03

through. And we I think that sort of

00:43:03 --> 00:43:05

the pace of going through this particular book

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

on leadership by John c Maxwell was a

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

bit slow up until now. So we're gonna

00:43:09 --> 00:43:10

sort of ramp up the pace. We're going

00:43:10 --> 00:43:13

to accelerate our progress through it,

00:43:13 --> 00:43:15

that we're gonna tackle 5 laws at a

00:43:15 --> 00:43:19

time, and we're going to pay particular attention

00:43:19 --> 00:43:21

to how we find these laws in the

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

Islamic tradition. And that's our whole purpose is

00:43:23 --> 00:43:24

that, you know,

00:43:25 --> 00:43:25

we're

00:43:25 --> 00:43:28

we're reminded or these things remind us of

00:43:28 --> 00:43:30

things that we have in our own tradition

00:43:31 --> 00:43:34

that sheds light or inflects or helps reinforce

00:43:34 --> 00:43:36

these things that other people have noticed from

00:43:36 --> 00:43:39

hebra and hebra, from taking lessons from others

00:43:39 --> 00:43:41

and from direct experience

00:43:41 --> 00:43:42

themselves.

00:43:42 --> 00:43:44

So the first one that we have,

00:43:44 --> 00:43:46

for today, law number 5 is called the

00:43:46 --> 00:43:47

law of addition.

00:43:48 --> 00:43:49

K? The law of addition.

00:43:49 --> 00:43:52

The general idea of the law of addition

00:43:52 --> 00:43:55

is that one of the hallmarks of leadership

00:43:55 --> 00:43:57

is that it adds value

00:43:57 --> 00:43:58

to others

00:43:58 --> 00:44:01

by serving others, And this is very, very

00:44:01 --> 00:44:03

crucial to understand that many of us when

00:44:03 --> 00:44:04

we think about

00:44:05 --> 00:44:07

leadership, we only think about the perks.

00:44:07 --> 00:44:09

We only think about

00:44:09 --> 00:44:12

the, you know, the benefits. How people stand

00:44:12 --> 00:44:13

up when you walk in or they treat

00:44:13 --> 00:44:15

you a certain way or everybody wants to

00:44:15 --> 00:44:16

be like you or you've got a ton

00:44:16 --> 00:44:18

of followers and fans and etcetera etcetera.

00:44:19 --> 00:44:20

But that's not what leadership is about, and

00:44:20 --> 00:44:23

it never should be about that. That leadership

00:44:23 --> 00:44:26

is about adding value to other people's lives.

00:44:26 --> 00:44:29

And this actually coincides perfectly with a, an

00:44:29 --> 00:44:31

Arabic proverb which is,

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that the leader of a nation or the

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

leader of a tribe is their servant.

00:44:38 --> 00:44:40

That there is a,

00:44:41 --> 00:44:44

there's an inherent relationship between leading people and

00:44:44 --> 00:44:46

being in the service of people.

00:44:46 --> 00:44:49

That that is really the essence of leadership

00:44:49 --> 00:44:51

is service. And we see this throughout

00:44:52 --> 00:44:55

our Islamic tradition. There's many famous examples from

00:44:55 --> 00:44:57

the leadership of Umar ibn Khattab when he

00:44:57 --> 00:44:59

became the leader of the Muslims after the

00:44:59 --> 00:45:01

death of the prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alaihi Wasallam,

00:45:01 --> 00:45:03

such as when he used to walk the

00:45:03 --> 00:45:05

streets at night to make sure that everybody

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

had enough food and that everybody was safe

00:45:06 --> 00:45:07

and was protected.

00:45:08 --> 00:45:11

And he came across one particular household where

00:45:11 --> 00:45:12

there is, I believe, a single mother, and

00:45:12 --> 00:45:14

she was upset because she didn't have enough

00:45:15 --> 00:45:17

food for her children. And Omar himself became

00:45:17 --> 00:45:18

upset

00:45:18 --> 00:45:20

at his failure in leadership.

00:45:20 --> 00:45:23

And he went back to, you know, to

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

gather up grain and gather up flour to

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

bring to this family.

00:45:27 --> 00:45:29

And he had servants. He had people that

00:45:29 --> 00:45:31

he was that he hired that were in

00:45:31 --> 00:45:33

his pay, that were under his authority, and

00:45:33 --> 00:45:34

they said to him,

00:45:34 --> 00:45:36

let us carry it for you. We'll go

00:45:36 --> 00:45:37

there together. And Umar himself,

00:45:39 --> 00:45:42

who said, no. This was my failure. Right?

00:45:42 --> 00:45:43

This is my shortcoming.

00:45:43 --> 00:45:45

I am going to make up for it

00:45:45 --> 00:45:47

myself. So he put the sacks of flour

00:45:47 --> 00:45:49

on his shoulder, and he's the leader of

00:45:49 --> 00:45:50

all the Muslims.

00:45:51 --> 00:45:53

And he carries it himself

00:45:53 --> 00:45:55

to the woman's house and then proceeds to

00:45:55 --> 00:45:58

actually cook them a meal himself. That that

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

is what leadership looks like. It is service

00:46:00 --> 00:46:01

to your people.

00:46:01 --> 00:46:04

That we have another example of Umar when

00:46:04 --> 00:46:07

he actually, you know, germanely enough, when he

00:46:07 --> 00:46:09

conquered Palestine, or the Muslim armies conquered Palestine

00:46:09 --> 00:46:13

for the first time, that Umar, he went

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

there with his servant, and they were sort

00:46:15 --> 00:46:17

of taking turns. They only had one horse

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

or camel or whatever it was, and they

00:46:19 --> 00:46:21

took turns riding on it.

00:46:21 --> 00:46:24

And when it was it just so happened

00:46:24 --> 00:46:26

that when they reached the city,

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

that it was the servant's turn to ride.

00:46:29 --> 00:46:32

So Umar was walking, and, normally, the person

00:46:32 --> 00:46:33

walking next to the animal is the is

00:46:33 --> 00:46:35

the the slave or the servant.

00:46:36 --> 00:46:38

Now even the servant realized that this was

00:46:38 --> 00:46:40

bad optics, that this didn't look right, that,

00:46:40 --> 00:46:42

you know, how are you going to impress

00:46:42 --> 00:46:44

these people if you're not riding triumphantly on

00:46:44 --> 00:46:45

top of this animal?

00:46:46 --> 00:46:48

But Omer said, no. This is fair. This

00:46:48 --> 00:46:50

is what we agreed to, and he entered

00:46:50 --> 00:46:52

the city walking. And it was a tremendous

00:46:52 --> 00:46:53

demonstration of leadership

00:46:54 --> 00:46:54

and

00:46:55 --> 00:46:57

his ethic of serving the people, both the

00:46:57 --> 00:46:58

people close to him and the people that

00:46:58 --> 00:47:00

he was about to rule over, and it

00:47:00 --> 00:47:01

was something that

00:47:01 --> 00:47:04

really impressed the local population. They've never seen

00:47:04 --> 00:47:05

a leader like that before.

00:47:06 --> 00:47:08

Similarly, of course, the prophet Muhammad himself, alayhi

00:47:08 --> 00:47:11

salatu was salaam. When people used to come

00:47:11 --> 00:47:14

to him with requests or with needs,

00:47:14 --> 00:47:16

if he had the ability to satisfy the

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

need, he would always satisfy the need. He

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

would never turn anyone away

00:47:21 --> 00:47:23

unless he literally couldn't do it for them.

00:47:23 --> 00:47:25

Right? And another thing that maybe is even

00:47:25 --> 00:47:27

more amazing than that

00:47:27 --> 00:47:29

is that the prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alaihi Wasallam,

00:47:29 --> 00:47:32

we have it on different hadith that he

00:47:32 --> 00:47:32

made

00:47:32 --> 00:47:33

everybody

00:47:33 --> 00:47:34

feel like

00:47:35 --> 00:47:36

they were his favorite.

00:47:37 --> 00:47:38

He said that to them. Can you imagine?

00:47:38 --> 00:47:40

We struggle with this so much today. We've

00:47:40 --> 00:47:42

got our cell phones and these sorts of

00:47:42 --> 00:47:44

things, and we're distracted. And sometimes it's for

00:47:44 --> 00:47:46

Allah. Our kids are talking to us, or

00:47:46 --> 00:47:48

our spouse is talking to us, or our

00:47:48 --> 00:47:49

friends are talking to us, and we're checking

00:47:49 --> 00:47:51

messages, and we're scrolling or doing something like

00:47:51 --> 00:47:54

that. A for Allah. But it happens. Right?

00:47:54 --> 00:47:55

The prophet

00:47:57 --> 00:47:59

when he talked to people, he would face

00:47:59 --> 00:48:01

them and look at them, and his entire

00:48:02 --> 00:48:04

focus and energy was on that person

00:48:05 --> 00:48:06

such that that person felt

00:48:07 --> 00:48:08

like they were his favorite

00:48:09 --> 00:48:10

to the point where we actually have somewhat

00:48:10 --> 00:48:11

a humorous,

00:48:11 --> 00:48:13

Hadith where one of the companions basically

00:48:14 --> 00:48:14

goes to the prophet

00:48:15 --> 00:48:18

that and asking him who's his favorite and

00:48:18 --> 00:48:19

he's expecting to be mentioned

00:48:20 --> 00:48:20

and

00:48:21 --> 00:48:23

other people are expecting to be mentioned, and

00:48:23 --> 00:48:25

they're not mentioned at all. That they he

00:48:25 --> 00:48:27

then goes down with his favorite people in

00:48:27 --> 00:48:29

order he loved Aisha the most and then

00:48:29 --> 00:48:31

her father, Abu Bakr, etcetera. And the people

00:48:31 --> 00:48:32

who had asked the question,

00:48:33 --> 00:48:34

they were, like,

00:48:34 --> 00:48:36

shocked. Like, I thought the way that he

00:48:36 --> 00:48:38

treated me, I thought that I was his

00:48:38 --> 00:48:41

favorite. Right? So that's an amazing aspect of

00:48:41 --> 00:48:42

leadership that

00:48:43 --> 00:48:44

that the prophet

00:48:46 --> 00:48:48

truly valued other people. And that is a

00:48:48 --> 00:48:51

key concept in leadership, that you're not just

00:48:51 --> 00:48:53

doing it instrumentally. You're not just doing it

00:48:53 --> 00:48:55

because you want the company to run better

00:48:55 --> 00:48:58

or you want the organization to run better.

00:48:58 --> 00:49:00

You actually value people. You actually take interest

00:49:00 --> 00:49:03

in their lives. What are they interested in?

00:49:03 --> 00:49:03

You

00:49:04 --> 00:49:04

also

00:49:05 --> 00:49:06

make yourself

00:49:07 --> 00:49:09

more valuable so that you can add value

00:49:09 --> 00:49:11

to them. You can't give something that you

00:49:11 --> 00:49:11

don't have.

00:49:12 --> 00:49:15

And so the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was

00:49:15 --> 00:49:16

easy for him. He's a prophet. So he

00:49:16 --> 00:49:19

can add value when it comes to their

00:49:19 --> 00:49:19

understanding

00:49:20 --> 00:49:22

of sort of the divine and the unseen

00:49:22 --> 00:49:24

and what's going to happen in the afterlife

00:49:24 --> 00:49:26

and religious instruction and sort of tarbia, the

00:49:26 --> 00:49:28

sort of, you know, character building and things

00:49:28 --> 00:49:31

like that. But we also have to work

00:49:31 --> 00:49:32

on ourselves

00:49:32 --> 00:49:34

so that we have something to give other

00:49:34 --> 00:49:36

people. That that when we

00:49:37 --> 00:49:39

upskill, quote unquote, that we're not just doing

00:49:39 --> 00:49:41

it for selfish reasons, we're also doing it

00:49:41 --> 00:49:43

to raise everybody else up with us.

00:49:43 --> 00:49:45

And that you're able to know and relate

00:49:45 --> 00:49:47

to what other people value, and the prophet

00:49:47 --> 00:49:50

Muhammad did this as well. Even with young

00:49:50 --> 00:49:52

kids, we know that there was a child

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

at the time of the prophet who had

00:49:53 --> 00:49:54

a pet bird.

00:49:55 --> 00:49:57

And the prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam used

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

to ask him about this bird. And one

00:49:59 --> 00:50:00

day the boy was sad and it turned

00:50:00 --> 00:50:02

out the bird had passed away. The prophet

00:50:02 --> 00:50:04

sallallahu alaihi wasallam could have easily said, I'm

00:50:04 --> 00:50:05

busy. I have other things to think about.

00:50:05 --> 00:50:07

I have so much on my plate.

00:50:07 --> 00:50:10

But he took time to connect with even

00:50:10 --> 00:50:11

the children

00:50:11 --> 00:50:13

with something that mattered to them.

00:50:14 --> 00:50:16

The next law that we have, so that

00:50:16 --> 00:50:18

was law number 5. Law number 6 is

00:50:18 --> 00:50:20

the law of solid ground. Right? And this

00:50:20 --> 00:50:22

the main gist of this,

00:50:23 --> 00:50:24

of this law is that

00:50:25 --> 00:50:28

trust is the foundation of all leadership.

00:50:28 --> 00:50:30

Trust is the foundation

00:50:30 --> 00:50:31

of all leadership.

00:50:32 --> 00:50:35

That you build trust through different sort of

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

avenues. You can build trust through your competence,

00:50:37 --> 00:50:39

your ability to do something. You can build

00:50:39 --> 00:50:41

it through the connection that you make to

00:50:41 --> 00:50:43

other people like we were just saying. But

00:50:43 --> 00:50:46

most importantly, you build trust through your character.

00:50:47 --> 00:50:49

And character is a large concept we could

00:50:49 --> 00:50:50

talk all day about, but some of the

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

things that go into character

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

include

00:50:53 --> 00:50:55

admitting your own mistakes

00:50:55 --> 00:50:56

when you've been wrong,

00:50:56 --> 00:50:59

not being so quick to be defensive and

00:50:59 --> 00:51:01

to just jump to your defense because of

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

your ego or your reputation. If you've made

00:51:03 --> 00:51:05

a mistake that you own it, say, yeah.

00:51:05 --> 00:51:06

I'm not proud of that. That wasn't my

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

best moment. But you know what? I'm working

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

on myself, and and, you can expect big

00:51:10 --> 00:51:12

things and big changes from me.

00:51:12 --> 00:51:14

And another aspect of it

00:51:14 --> 00:51:18

is putting your values ahead of your interests,

00:51:18 --> 00:51:20

and this is huge. And this is where

00:51:20 --> 00:51:23

Islam plays a huge part that, yes, okay,

00:51:23 --> 00:51:25

anybody can cheat anybody. Anybody can sort of

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

look out for their own self interest. But

00:51:27 --> 00:51:30

who's going to put their values first

00:51:30 --> 00:51:33

such that their values are the reason why

00:51:33 --> 00:51:35

they're doing what they're doing? And we have

00:51:35 --> 00:51:37

examples of this such as when Abdullah ibn

00:51:37 --> 00:51:38

Abbas

00:51:38 --> 00:51:38

was

00:51:39 --> 00:51:41

he sent a servant to market to buy

00:51:41 --> 00:51:42

a horse.

00:51:43 --> 00:51:45

And the servant was able to haggle with

00:51:45 --> 00:51:46

the horse

00:51:46 --> 00:51:48

seller to get a really good price. And

00:51:48 --> 00:51:50

so he comes back to Abdulai Ben Abbas,

00:51:50 --> 00:51:52

and he's so happy that he haggled down

00:51:52 --> 00:51:53

this price. And Abdulai Ben Abbas, he said,

00:51:53 --> 00:51:56

okay. Let's go to the market. We'll complete

00:51:56 --> 00:51:56

the deal.

00:51:57 --> 00:51:59

He asked the horse seller, did you agree

00:51:59 --> 00:52:00

to sell this horse at this price? He

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

said, yes. He said, no. I wouldn't I

00:52:02 --> 00:52:04

don't agree to that. I wanna pay you

00:52:04 --> 00:52:04

more.

00:52:05 --> 00:52:07

And the seller was shocked. He's like, how

00:52:07 --> 00:52:09

what kind of person is this? He's he

00:52:09 --> 00:52:10

wants to pay me more than than I

00:52:10 --> 00:52:12

asked for. Right? Imagine if you went to

00:52:12 --> 00:52:14

the grocery store and you got your bottle

00:52:14 --> 00:52:15

of water and you check out and you

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

say, actually, can I give you a few

00:52:16 --> 00:52:19

more dollars? Nobody does that. Right?

00:52:19 --> 00:52:21

But and Abdulaz ibn Abbas didn't just do

00:52:21 --> 00:52:23

it once. He did it again and again

00:52:23 --> 00:52:24

and again. He said, no. I'm gonna pay

00:52:24 --> 00:52:26

you more. No. I'm gonna pay you more.

00:52:26 --> 00:52:28

No. I'm gonna pay you more until the

00:52:28 --> 00:52:30

seller was basically embarrassed. And he said, okay,

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

stop, stop, stop. Right? Just let's be done

00:52:32 --> 00:52:33

with this.

00:52:33 --> 00:52:35

And this is very curious behavior. And so

00:52:35 --> 00:52:38

he asked Abdullah ibn Abbas, why are you

00:52:38 --> 00:52:39

acting like this?

00:52:40 --> 00:52:42

And he said, because if that were my

00:52:42 --> 00:52:44

horse, I would not sell it for less

00:52:44 --> 00:52:46

than what I'm telling you that I'll pay

00:52:46 --> 00:52:48

for it right now. So he put his

00:52:48 --> 00:52:50

values ahead of his interests,

00:52:50 --> 00:52:52

that he is somebody who do does things

00:52:52 --> 00:52:53

on principle

00:52:53 --> 00:52:54

and not just

00:52:54 --> 00:52:55

what benefits him.

00:52:56 --> 00:52:58

Entrusting others is another huge thing when it

00:52:58 --> 00:53:00

comes to building trust. You cannot be or

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

you will not be trusted if you're not

00:53:02 --> 00:53:04

willing to put trust in others. And this

00:53:04 --> 00:53:06

is something the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam,

00:53:06 --> 00:53:07

right,

00:53:08 --> 00:53:10

he did with other people when he sent

00:53:10 --> 00:53:13

them out. He sent, Mu'ad ibn Jabu, right,

00:53:14 --> 00:53:16

to, to Yemen. He sent other people out.

00:53:16 --> 00:53:19

He entrusted them with tasks. And guess what?

00:53:19 --> 00:53:20

They didn't always

00:53:21 --> 00:53:23

do the right thing. Sometimes they messed up.

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

He sent Khaled ibn Walid to a place

00:53:26 --> 00:53:28

to collect Zakah, and Khaled misinterpreted something, and

00:53:28 --> 00:53:30

they went to war, and he killed a

00:53:30 --> 00:53:31

bunch of people wrongfully.

00:53:32 --> 00:53:34

And that was a huge mistake, and he

00:53:34 --> 00:53:37

had to make repentance and atonement for his

00:53:37 --> 00:53:39

mistake, but that didn't stop the prophet sallallahu

00:53:39 --> 00:53:41

alaihi wasallam from trusting

00:53:41 --> 00:53:43

other people, and through trusting other people,

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

that is how you also get trust. The

00:53:46 --> 00:53:48

next law we have is the law of

00:53:48 --> 00:53:48

respect,

00:53:48 --> 00:53:50

and that is that people tend to respect

00:53:51 --> 00:53:53

strong leaders. Now what we mean by strong

00:53:53 --> 00:53:53

leaders

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

is a type of boldness that

00:53:56 --> 00:53:59

is not just trying to be popular. You

00:53:59 --> 00:54:01

can't be a leader. Being a leader and

00:54:01 --> 00:54:03

being popular are 2 different things.

00:54:03 --> 00:54:04

That

00:54:04 --> 00:54:07

true leaders are going to be bold and

00:54:07 --> 00:54:10

courageous in turbulent times. They're willing to do

00:54:10 --> 00:54:11

the right thing

00:54:11 --> 00:54:12

even if it's not popular.

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

Right? And we had a great example of

00:54:14 --> 00:54:16

that just a second ago with Bisan.

00:54:17 --> 00:54:19

Right? It was not maybe a popular by

00:54:19 --> 00:54:22

definition it wasn't a popular thing to do,

00:54:22 --> 00:54:24

to stand up and to,

00:54:24 --> 00:54:27

make Gaza visible at the commencement or at

00:54:27 --> 00:54:30

the graduation ceremony, and yet she did it

00:54:30 --> 00:54:31

at risk

00:54:31 --> 00:54:32

to her own self, to her own career.

00:54:32 --> 00:54:34

Her her she doesn't know what's going to

00:54:34 --> 00:54:36

happen to her. Right? But she was able

00:54:36 --> 00:54:39

to do something bold and do something courageous

00:54:39 --> 00:54:41

even if it wasn't popular and she stood

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

to lose. And we have other examples from

00:54:43 --> 00:54:46

the prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam at battles, we

00:54:46 --> 00:54:48

we think about this when, you know,

00:54:48 --> 00:54:50

the odds were stacked against the Muslims and

00:54:50 --> 00:54:51

the prophet

00:54:52 --> 00:54:54

was always right there at the front. He

00:54:54 --> 00:54:55

was not someone that was cowering behind. He

00:54:55 --> 00:54:57

was not waiting to see how the situation

00:54:57 --> 00:54:59

would play out to do what was popular

00:54:59 --> 00:55:00

or to do,

00:55:01 --> 00:55:02

you know, these sorts of things, that he

00:55:02 --> 00:55:05

was somebody who led by principle

00:55:05 --> 00:55:07

and was willing to be courageous and principled

00:55:07 --> 00:55:09

even when other people weren't.

00:55:10 --> 00:55:11

The next one we have, we've got 2

00:55:11 --> 00:55:12

more.

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

The next one we have is the law

00:55:13 --> 00:55:14

of intuition,

00:55:15 --> 00:55:18

Law of intuition, which basically comes down

00:55:19 --> 00:55:20

to leaders develop,

00:55:20 --> 00:55:22

or they have, if Allah gives gifts it

00:55:22 --> 00:55:24

to them, a certain amount of

00:55:25 --> 00:55:25

intuition

00:55:26 --> 00:55:26

that

00:55:27 --> 00:55:29

you can see things may be further along

00:55:29 --> 00:55:31

than other people can see them, and you

00:55:31 --> 00:55:33

trust your judgment based off of that. And

00:55:33 --> 00:55:34

we look at the life of the prophet

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

Muhammad alaihi wasalam, we see a lot of

00:55:36 --> 00:55:37

examples of this. Hudaybiyyah,

00:55:37 --> 00:55:39

the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah was a classic example,

00:55:40 --> 00:55:43

where even the companions weren't really happy with

00:55:43 --> 00:55:44

the terms of the treaty, but the prophet

00:55:46 --> 00:55:48

understood that the treaty was actually very, very

00:55:48 --> 00:55:50

favorable to the Muslims and was going to

00:55:50 --> 00:55:51

put them in the best position

00:55:52 --> 00:55:54

to eventually conquer Mecca,

00:55:54 --> 00:55:57

and accomplish their goals. We also see it

00:55:57 --> 00:55:59

when even some of the companions, they stepped

00:55:59 --> 00:56:00

out of line.

00:56:01 --> 00:56:02

Right?

00:56:02 --> 00:56:04

They stepped out of line and they experienced

00:56:04 --> 00:56:04

punishment,

00:56:05 --> 00:56:06

right? Criminal punishment.

00:56:07 --> 00:56:09

And sometimes the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam, he

00:56:09 --> 00:56:11

said things that indicated

00:56:11 --> 00:56:14

that, for example, like, Yeah, this person did

00:56:14 --> 00:56:16

that and we're going to punish them, but

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

this person loves Allah and His Messenger Sallallahu

00:56:19 --> 00:56:22

Alaihi Wasallam that they have a sort of

00:56:22 --> 00:56:24

intuition of what motivates people. This is also

00:56:24 --> 00:56:26

sort of the example of when the Muslims

00:56:26 --> 00:56:28

did march on Mecca and they had one

00:56:28 --> 00:56:29

of their own

00:56:29 --> 00:56:31

try to send someone to sneak a message

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

to Mecca to try to protect their family.

00:56:33 --> 00:56:35

This is something where the companions were very

00:56:35 --> 00:56:37

upset. It was basically treachery

00:56:37 --> 00:56:40

and you could say an act of espionage

00:56:40 --> 00:56:43

or passing on secrets, right? Treason perhaps you

00:56:43 --> 00:56:45

could say to the point where Umar and

00:56:45 --> 00:56:48

others were willing to punish the person severely.

00:56:48 --> 00:56:51

But the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam understood what

00:56:51 --> 00:56:54

he wanted and understood his motivation and understood

00:56:54 --> 00:56:55

that that really wasn't the reality of what

00:56:55 --> 00:56:58

was going on, that he had that intuition

00:56:58 --> 00:56:58

of leadership.

00:56:59 --> 00:57:01

And the final one we have is the

00:57:01 --> 00:57:03

law of attraction, and this is kind of

00:57:03 --> 00:57:05

an interesting one. That you can learn a

00:57:05 --> 00:57:06

lot about yourself

00:57:07 --> 00:57:09

as a leader by the type of people

00:57:09 --> 00:57:11

that you attract to you.

00:57:11 --> 00:57:13

And this is actually something where if you're

00:57:13 --> 00:57:15

attracting the wrong type of person,

00:57:15 --> 00:57:17

then you might need to take stock of

00:57:17 --> 00:57:18

yourself.

00:57:18 --> 00:57:20

Or if you're attracting the right type of

00:57:20 --> 00:57:22

person, then this is something that is also

00:57:22 --> 00:57:24

interesting to learn from. Now we don't mean

00:57:24 --> 00:57:26

by this. We don't mean that we're just

00:57:26 --> 00:57:29

trying to attract, you know, popular people and

00:57:29 --> 00:57:30

rich people and stuff like that. No. What

00:57:30 --> 00:57:32

we're talking about is just like the prophet

00:57:32 --> 00:57:34

Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam,

00:57:34 --> 00:57:36

who did he attract with his message?

00:57:37 --> 00:57:38

He attracted

00:57:38 --> 00:57:40

all of the sincere people,

00:57:41 --> 00:57:43

people who wanted to do the right thing.

00:57:43 --> 00:57:45

It didn't line up

00:57:46 --> 00:57:46

with

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

the rich. Yeah. There were some rich people,

00:57:49 --> 00:57:50

but there were a lot of poor people

00:57:50 --> 00:57:51

that followed him.

00:57:52 --> 00:57:54

It didn't line up with a certain tribe.

00:57:54 --> 00:57:56

It didn't line up with a certain race

00:57:56 --> 00:57:58

or a certain ethnicity or a certain color

00:57:58 --> 00:57:59

of the skin or whatever

00:58:00 --> 00:58:02

that the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was the

00:58:02 --> 00:58:04

type of person that attracted

00:58:05 --> 00:58:06

people of principle,

00:58:06 --> 00:58:08

people who wanted something transcendent,

00:58:09 --> 00:58:11

something that was bigger than the sort of

00:58:11 --> 00:58:13

tribalism that was going on. And that was

00:58:13 --> 00:58:16

a perfect indication of who he was, alayhi

00:58:16 --> 00:58:17

salatu salaam.

00:58:17 --> 00:58:19

So that concludes our segments today. If anybody

00:58:19 --> 00:58:21

has any questions, we'll turn to them now

00:58:21 --> 00:58:22

and tidy them up.

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

If you haven't asked your question by this

00:58:33 --> 00:58:35

time, this is your chance. We'll give it

00:58:35 --> 00:58:36

a few minutes.

00:58:48 --> 00:58:50

Thanks everybody for your patience

00:58:51 --> 00:58:52

with the technical difficulties.

00:58:53 --> 00:58:55

0, I wish I spoke French, but I

00:58:55 --> 00:58:57

do not, so I can't understand your comment,

00:58:57 --> 00:58:58

but it looks like a good one. May

00:58:58 --> 00:58:59

I bless you?

00:59:11 --> 00:59:12

Okay. Here we go. Sorry. Let me get

00:59:12 --> 00:59:14

back to the top here. I didn't see

00:59:14 --> 00:59:15

any questions going back.

00:59:16 --> 00:59:17

So we have,

00:59:20 --> 00:59:20

Sheikh Thomas.

00:59:24 --> 00:59:25

I did not visit Italy, no, on my

00:59:25 --> 00:59:27

recent trip to Europe. I was in the

00:59:27 --> 00:59:28

UK and,

00:59:29 --> 00:59:30

and Ireland, and that was a very, very

00:59:30 --> 00:59:33

beneficial trip. May Allah bless the Muslims there

00:59:33 --> 00:59:36

and, cause us to all come together on

00:59:36 --> 00:59:37

what he is pleased with.

00:59:38 --> 00:59:38

Hopefully

00:59:38 --> 00:59:40

hopefully next time.

00:59:42 --> 00:59:44

Cute kitten12 asked, how can a leader build

00:59:44 --> 00:59:47

trust between the opposition as well? And I

00:59:47 --> 00:59:48

think that we did

00:59:48 --> 00:59:51

start to address that a bit. Right? You

00:59:51 --> 00:59:54

build trust through trusting others. You build trust

00:59:54 --> 00:59:56

through your character and your integrity.

00:59:56 --> 00:59:59

Right? Part of that is admitting mistakes. Part

00:59:59 --> 01:00:01

of that is admitting your shortcomings and admitting

01:00:01 --> 01:00:03

when you were wrong. Unfortunately, we usually see

01:00:03 --> 01:00:05

people who are more into their ego,

01:00:06 --> 01:00:09

are more interested in defending themselves. They're afraid

01:00:09 --> 01:00:12

of losing their power and losing their,

01:00:12 --> 01:00:13

status and reputation.

01:00:14 --> 01:00:14

Where

01:00:15 --> 01:00:18

as the person who, you know, they're sincere

01:00:18 --> 01:00:20

to Allah, we don't pretend that anybody's perfect.

01:00:21 --> 01:00:23

We're all sinners. We know it. It's just

01:00:23 --> 01:00:25

that Allah hides some people's sins and Allah

01:00:25 --> 01:00:26

exposes other people's sins.

01:00:27 --> 01:00:29

But if you're confronted with it, do you

01:00:29 --> 01:00:31

admit it? Do you promise to do better?

01:00:31 --> 01:00:32

Do you promise to try to make up

01:00:32 --> 01:00:34

for it? Right? That's sort of that goes

01:00:34 --> 01:00:36

a long way. People will trust that.

01:00:36 --> 01:00:37

And that is Musahed.

01:00:40 --> 01:00:43

Interesting question from Abdullah Masala Abu Mahfud,

01:00:44 --> 01:00:45

who's a dear friend of mine. Who is

01:00:45 --> 01:00:47

your favorite filmmaker?

01:00:47 --> 01:00:48

Boy. Oh, man.

01:00:49 --> 01:00:52

I I don't remember the names

01:00:52 --> 01:00:54

of, some of my favorite

01:00:54 --> 01:00:56

filmmakers, but I do like the works of

01:00:56 --> 01:00:57

Abbas Karostami.

01:00:58 --> 01:00:58

I think he's,

01:00:59 --> 01:01:01

he's a very important filmmaker. Obviously, he's very

01:01:01 --> 01:01:03

decorated and things like that. I like that

01:01:03 --> 01:01:04

aesthetic.

01:01:05 --> 01:01:06

So if I'm gonna have to go with

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

somebody, I'll go with Abbas Gharistami.

01:01:10 --> 01:01:10

Sabr

01:01:11 --> 01:01:14

wrv asked, can you share the the hadith

01:01:14 --> 01:01:15

about Palestine and Israel? We have that,

01:01:16 --> 01:01:18

on Yaqeen Institute. So if you check Yaqeen

01:01:18 --> 01:01:21

Institute, we have articles and written material on

01:01:21 --> 01:01:23

the benefits and the blessing of Palestine.

01:01:28 --> 01:01:30

No worries. You can always catch up on

01:01:30 --> 01:01:32

the show. We're happy to have everybody live

01:01:32 --> 01:01:34

with us. But as you know, it'll be

01:01:34 --> 01:01:34

up,

01:01:35 --> 01:01:36

and

01:01:36 --> 01:01:38

we hope that everybody benefits

01:01:38 --> 01:01:40

as we can. So that seems to be

01:01:40 --> 01:01:42

the end of the questions. We ask Allah

01:01:42 --> 01:01:44

to accept from us and from you, and

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

that we please Allah with all that we

01:01:46 --> 01:01:47

do. May Allah continue to guide us with

01:01:47 --> 01:01:48

what is pleasing to him.

01:01:51 --> 01:01:52

Until next time, Assalamu alaikum.

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