Fashion Model becomes Muslim Imam

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Yeah. I like you. Okay, welcome. Salaam. I never become a Muslim man. No, I'm actually walking around New York City, making La ilaha illAllah. Just walking around, I can't do those things I couldn't. I was saying the same thing to myself right up until I took my shot. I can't do those things, man. Think of it. I was getting high and drinking and smoke and do all these things that day before I took my Shahada. And like, if you knew me before I became Muslim me but like this guy, never. You're going to make it through, you're going to be alright, you're strong. You know, you're an athlete. And his brother who actually was Muslim, said, you know, when if you don't make it, man,

that's probably what if you don't you think about the other side? Yeah. And he said, Well, why is this person depressed? You know, I mean, drugs. I mean, other things such as that should we should be like, healthy, unhealthy. And I'm saying everyone was like that, but it was definitely. You know, it was like, it was like this. If this is it, like this is what people are looking for. I know this isn't for me. People fame, money, access, these types of things. Full disclosure, obviously, before I was Muslim, I worked as a fashion model. I've been off. Our family's been off of sugar for about six, six plus going on going on seven years now. I'll get like this.

Salam Alaikum Welcome to the deen show. I have a special guests. How are you doing? Like?

are you sir? Are you doing *? Feeling blessed? Feeling blessed? You just had some good training? I did. I did. Yeah, if you, you know, man, it was great. It was great. As I said, I tried to make up three months in three hours. So yeah, you've you've been active in Jiu Jitsu for some time now about I mean, Matt time, I'd say probably seven months, you know, but it's been something I've looked at for a while. And I made up all kinds of excuses not to explore it physical like not to actually get in it. But, man, once I got in, I'm kicking myself that I didn't get in earlier. But you're so you're not only you're actually a new mom, right? Yeah, I mean, I was trained in Damascus, I served

as any mom in New Haven, Michelle Islam, I was the naive, I was the assistant, a mom to your mom's a checker. Yeah, for years. And then he went to zaytuna then when he left zaytuna, I became a mom of that community. Okay, so not not only that, how long ago did you accept Islam? 1996 1996 Yeah. And you've also you've been someone who's really into nutrition. Yeah, I think, you know, that's something that, you know, started probably full disclosure, obviously, before I was Muslim, I worked as a fashion model. And that really was the space I think, I think I like to think that I was eating healthy. You know, before that, during that time, it definitely got enhanced and then after the

conversion, and I understood that relationship to spirituality and other aspects or do on other things like this. And I really think that's when it took it took a took a hold, you know, in a whole new understanding and in my life, they said fashion model, how do you make a switch from fashion model to, to

Islam being Muslim, practicing Islam, yeah. grace and mercy of Allah. That's all I can say, you know, it's it was, you know, I'd known about Islam for some time my cousin became Muslim in the 70s. And he just gave me some really, kind of, how can I say, so real subtle, but but kind of let me do my thing without kind of, you know, forcing me or making me feel bad about myself and just kind of reserved me Yeah. And just kind of observed and let that go. And, and you 18 years later, I became Muslim. So So really, it's grace and mercy of Allah, but also having people that allow you to kind of, unfortunately make your mistakes, you make them and and and they're there to make the island

guide you through that. Talk to us what at what you must have been, what was your mindset at that time, that you started to take the matter seriously, you know, I think so. Obviously, in modeling, you're seeing

things that probably people would be desirous of right people fame, money, access, these types of things. So everyone should be happy, right? Yeah. That if that if the material if the material

Access, or, you know, access to, to, to, to materialism on a man in a way that is kind of unfettered, you can just kind of, you know, almost like snap your fingers and people are jumping to fulfill your, your, your, you know commands your sorry, your your wishes, you'd think that you'd never be sad, right? However, that wasn't the case. Because I feel that as human beings, materialism isn't the thing that that, you know, will will fill that void. And also, you know, as as you then begin to understand it through religion, that's a whole nother you know, it's I'm observing it just from from, like, not from a space of Islam, obviously. But just like, wow, why is this person

depressed? You know, I mean, drugs, I mean, other things such as that should we should be, like healthy and healthy. And, and I'm saying everyone was like that, but it was definitely, you know, it was like, it was like this, if this is it, like this is what people are looking for. I know, this isn't for me.

So I It reminds me of the fashion designer from Victoria Secret.

He actually jumped off, you know, the number one capital suicide site in the world is there in the Golden Gate Bridge. And you would think he's, you know, he would also be somebody who's just

got the money as far as getting paid. And he just took a dip off the bridge. Yeah, yeah. And again, I just, I think that because there's an aspect of our life that we're not fulfilling. And, you know, unfortunately, it leads him It led him to where, where he was at, and I but I think that, with that kind of that self reflection, and that introspection, and having people around you that will support you in those things, right. I think that's also very important as well to this, this concept of Saba and our tradition of companionship, right of having people that can talk you through those things that you're dealing with, but if everyone's on the same page, and everyone's kind of after this, you

know, next rung on the ladder and the material understanding that hey, you didn't make it. Sorry for you. In an amine, I had an interesting experience with two individuals. One individual, he's, he's a little bit older, he's a good friend of ours, and he's in the hospital. And he's supposed to have heart surgery, an amazing individual. And while he's in the hospital, he's really reflecting not his hope, because he's gonna have, he's gonna have heart surgery. And there's a there's a risk that he might not make it, there's a good chance it's going to be successful, but there's a risk there that it can go wrong. So he's staring somewhat suddenly at death. And he's seeing things differently,

said, manatee, I'm just, I'm at that point where the smallest things you know, I'm appreciating them now. That's right. All right. And then there's another individual also, that now

I had an experience to talk with. And this individual, he he's been exposed to the truth he started, he started also like, you start practicing slumping, and he went away from it. But then now he's exploring all these other options. He's, he's feeling anxiety, he's feeling like something's choking him. But he, okay, I said, Go ahead, explore, you know, if there's some chemical imbalance, you know, go down that route that you know,

seek medical advice, attention, but hold on, but the one who also created you, why not turn to him to help you? But it seems like that door now he's kind of closed. I don't know what happened in life. But he's chasing all other means. Not this one. Right? So just two different two different people to different scenarios once almost close to death scene, something totally different. This other one? What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, my, my, exactly, I mean, I have a similar story as well, to a friend of mine kind of ticked all the boxes, you know, Ivy League education, made it to Wall Street was making a lot of money doing well had a major health

issue. And everyone, it was interesting, because everyone was telling him, like, you're going to make it through, you're going to be alright, you're strong, you know, you're an athlete, and his brother who actually was Muslim, said, you know, when if you don't make it, man, that's probably what if you don't you thinking about the other side? Yeah. And he said, literally, it didn't matter how many degrees and, you know, his brother, high school education, and you know, no credentials, so maybe he's written off by people, but he just hit him with the truth, man, what if you don't make it, you know what I mean? And and there's this reality now that set in front of you have eternity.

Yeah. And I think, you know, when, when we, when we look for solutions to just make our life better on this side, then we'll avoid those, those those reflections of this greater reality. And I think that's what we've become very good at as a society, unfortunately, is that we push out the reality that we are going to die. And that, you know, this thing is going to come to an end. And once that reality, I'll just be honest with you, I'm not like 13 that concept would just make me weep. I would just, it would be a concept of concept of like eternity, right, eternal dust eternal, like whatever it was, if you if I if I didn't believe, which I was, I was I was raised as a Catholic. So I

actually had this concept of God in my life. But this idea of that, it's going to be eternal. It's either going to be

Eternal dust that was kind of scary to think about. And then like eternal damnation that was very scary to think about or bliss. So what would you have to do? I mean, God's pleasure, whatever we want to say. So the question was, okay, well, well, I don't believe that we're just going to be done. So that one was out right now, between these two, what am I going to do, and I feel like as you begin to turn towards this one, than the than the Earth, then the issues on this side become a lot easier to deal with. And they're put into perspective. Now, it doesn't have to get to the point of where I need to have open heart surgery. That's the hope, right? Like this phone calls are

coming. I call them phone calls, like God is calling you all the time. A law is, is like sending you messages. And you're kind of like, Man, I'm not gonna pick that up. Yeah, I'm not ready for that one. But then it's like, I can't avoid the call. You know, I mean, the phone call. I like that the phone calls are coming in, but you're ignoring the silence? Yeah. What do you like when you have an opportunity? What points do you like to bring up to have someone reflect purpose, purpose of life? Yeah, I think the first one is like, Don't look at my life where I'm at right now. Like you're seeing 23 years of practice right now. Right? So let's rewind that and start at point. A, right?

When I started, I was getting high and drinking and smoking and do all these things the day before I took my Shahada. And like, if you knew me before I became Muslim me, but like this guy, never. So you may be saying that to yourself, I can't do those things I couldn't I was saying the same thing to myself right up until I took my Shahada. I can't do those things, man. Think of it. Um, I'm in South Africa, you know, that mean, working in the fashion industry? I'm single, man, the world is open to me. And I'm thinking to myself, like, I'm going to give all this up.

You don't I mean, and and, and so that's a real conversation, first and foremost, that, and that's one of the things that I feel, that's the trick of Shere Khan is like, he's going to tell you all the things that you're missing out, they're going to tell you all the things you're going to gain. Right? Like sobriety, debt free, you know, I mean, these when you begin to put these principles into your life, I mean, come on, right, the average American, I think we're living with eight or $10,000, of credit card debt. Now you take on this Islamic principle of not having interest bearing loans and other stuff like that, boom, write that off, that's done. You know, I mean, so now you begin to

structure your life in a way that puts things into perspective, the things that probably are causing you the anxiety that you're dealing with right now and trying to get away with. So I think that's something where I'd like to start with right now is it's like, one, don't look at where I am right now. Because this is like, or whoever it is, whoever is practicing this or whatever. Just think like, where you are right now that if you brought changes into your life, what type of positive things would come into your life? Let's just start there for a minute to see what that conversation sounds like. What prompted you finally after How much time did it take have an investigation looking

into Islam that it prompted you finally to accept it that this is the truth? Yeah, well, you know, I think in my heart of hearts, I knew it man. Like I knew what like I was young. And it's a trip because, you know, the whole kind of social political reality that's, that's still happening in the Middle East was happening that was happening in Iran. Right. So it's like, my cousin is talking to me about Islam, it's the late 70s. And they're burning effigies of the President. It's Reagan at that time, they're burning the American flag, and, you know, and all these types of Americans in great shape on and blah, blah, blah, blah, and all of that rhetoric. And people say, well, that's

Islam, right. And, and now, you know, it's, it's, that's what my family is kind of seeing and saying, Well, if that's what this thing is, then I don't want you moving towards that direction. But in my heart of hearts, I'm like, I'm thinking this is this is truth, man. This is truth. Like, I'm doing my own exploration about profits. I don't have a salon,

bless all of them. And, and I'm thinking to myself, you know, this, this, this works out, man. The math works on this. I mean, and by the process on being the seal of seal of the profits. And so, you know, I'm walking, I'm actually walking around New York City, making La Ilaha Illa. Allah, just walking around saying that, like, it's already on your tongue, my cousin. Yeah. Cuz my cousin taught. He's like, you know, this is, there's this, I'm going to teach you this. And my hope is that you will not leave this world except for that you believe in this law. He just you just you were saying that was saying it. Yeah. And and in the midst of all of that confusion, in the midst of all

of the partying in the midst of all of that crazy life, like I'm actually walking around New York saying this. Now is this before you officially took your shirt? Yeah, yeah, years before. I mean, I'm talking this is Yeah, this is years before Yeah, yeah. So that was the catalyst. I mean, this is probably just saying this and now I slowly it was it was putting light. Yeah, we're in South Africa. We were driving and I remember like, like the windshield wipers stopped working. We pulled a fuse out of like the cigarette lighter put it in there. It was really dense while we were driving from Cape Town to Johannesburg. I mean, it was FOG like I couldn't see you. I couldn't see the halfway

down the hood of the car. The fog was that dense. Combine that now without having any windshield wipers. So

I'm in the car, I'm driving for like two hours in this state. I know that there's a ravine because you drive on the on the opposite side of the road in South Africa. I know there's a ravine on my left hand side. And the whole time I'm driving lane line. I know. The person next to me is like, What are you saying? What do you What are you saying? I said, I'm praying, don't worry, we'll be okay. Yeah. And having done a lot, we made it out. And there was a horrific accident, like in front of us. Yeah. Anybody can try right now at home that you know, like, it's like, you're pretty much obviously the standard translation is nothing worthy of worship except the Creator. That's right.

But you're pretty much saying I love you the most. That's right, you know, above everything, above the money above the car, everything I love you the most about and that's a beautiful way to put it. That's a really beautiful way to put it because now it prioritizes things. I think that's the thing right now, what are our priorities? The next iPhone, the next car, the next, you know, whatever it is the next laptop, the next whatever it is, what's the what's the priority? Like, if those are the things that we're chasing, then trust me, you're just a hamster on the wheel, man, they got you. You're just going around and going, because there's always going to be the next best thing. Now, I'm

not saying we don't look to have those things in our lives, but they're not a priority. They don't define who I am. I think that's what it is that I mean. Yeah, this is this is uh, this is amazing, because this is what we've seen over the years talking with people is that the simple message of Islam, the theology of Islam, and the moral upright message, you know, the call of just making you the best human being that you can be Islam has the blueprint, I love that idea of this whole thing to me is making you a better version of yourself.

Date one day at a time, you know, and I think that's it. And that's the other aspect that I wanted to say when you asked me that question before but talking to people is that's it, we're not looking for like, you know, just uproot everything, and I can be pretty traumatic. So here's the story for you. I mean, to I meet a brother, I'm in South Africa. So I took my Shahada in South Africa. And he gives me a Koran. And he's like, you know, read this Surya seen and read this book read. Yeah. See, when you get up in the morning and read milk when you go to bed at night, and I promise you that you'll see good in your life, you know, so he would this actually before and back it up a little

bit. We meet we drive Joburg, we drive to Johannesburg, we meet we have coffee. And he's like, you know,

a mutual friend introduced us. Ben was like, you know, what do you know about what do you know about Islam? And I was like La ilaha illAllah. Muhammad Rasul Allah, he's like, your Muslim.

And, and I was like, you know, I'm not. He's like, why not? I said, because I do all kinds of things that Muslims, you know, don't do. Yeah. You know, he's like, Okay, well, you're close to Islam. I mean, to me, that was because I wanted to be Muslim. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted that. So that meant a lot. Now, here's the thing. I mean, his brother, and his brother is like, you know, so I get to Cape Town. I mean, his brother and his brother's like sonica Mike Islam, how are you doing? Good. He says, you know,

you know, what do you do? And at the time, so I'm working as a fashion model. He's like, you have to quit your job. And he's like, what, where do you live? I said, I rent a room and a house. He's got a women that lived there. I said, Yeah, there are, you know, the necklace that goes to the whole checklist. And he's like, you need to move out, you know, you can go to a Masjid and stay in a mosque for three days. It'd be You're right. I'm not even Muslim. I'm not even Muslim. And he's telling me, you know, trusting God, he brings up the whole battle of Butler, and all of these things like this, you know what I mean? And I'm thinking to myself, man, if I'm not even Muslim, and this

is this, I'm like, I'm like, Okay, well, it comes along. I never become a Muslim man. So it's really interesting, how much weight not too much weight, man. And just like, who can make that upheaval? You know what I mean? Like, you know, I'm coming out of like living in New York, and London, and Paris, and all this other stuff. And all of a sudden, like, overnight, like that, I'm going to, you know, one step at a time, one step at a time, you know, I mean, allow people to have their space to grow. And now I'm not saying that everything is, you know, unicorns and butterflies, and our Dean has no parameters. But I'm just saying, at least, understand contextually who you're dealing rather

than try to put a cookie cookie cutter on every single person. Yeah.

What would you say, to convince us? Because this is, this is something that if you can convince someone that Prophet Muhammad was like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and all the messages that came before him, him just being the last and final messenger, and there's, there's a ton of evidence, there's a ton of proof because obviously, you don't just surrender into this blindly. I mean, it's based on evidence, Authenticity, everything is there that one needs to know that indeed, he's a messenger from the Creator. And he came with a message that's clear, it's believable and has a ton of evidence. What are a few things that you like to mess that share to convince someone or have a plant

a seed to have someone really thinking to take the matter serious, that he is indeed who he claimed he was? Yeah, well, I think

I think that one is just you know, if you are affirming the logical I'm sorry, the the chronological order of prophets, you know, Allah be pleased with all of them. And you're okay. In each one of those transitions. What stopped you from examining this one? Right? Is it a theological issue? Or is it something else and I think that's really the impasse right now, like I can accept a transition from Musa alayhis salaam, to Isa Islam, but for some reason, from Sal de Salaam to Mohammed Salah Salaam, like I can't, I couldn't accept that. And that to me the question I actually put the onus back on us to say why, why. Right. And, uh, normally it comes down, there's some sort of information

that you've received, that normally isn't correct. You know, and, and I think that, you know, again, if we get into, you know, obviously we have Dr. Alia, tie as a tuna who's I mean, have you seen his Jesus in the

Koran and other he's really his work is, is is is incredible on on biblical tech on the biblical texts. And he speaks Hebrew, he speaks Greek. He's beginning and Aramaic quite strong, meaning that he has access to the texts. And when you begin to get these things about para Cletus and you begin to get about these to these things, you know, it's affirmed in the parameter. So as I was talking about a prophet that will come after him and para Cletus, it's talked about, you know what I mean, in in the book of

Forgive me, it's one of the Gospels. Yeah, exactly.

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the book of john. I'm not sure, but don't quote me on that. But But anyway, this mentioning here of you know, this, you know, messenger that will come after me.

Why, and how?

Are people not allowed to actually examine that? Yeah. So to me, here's the thing, if I have truth,

right, I don't care what you want to come bring everything, man. So so so I'm not gonna hide things from you. That means you know what? I'm not certain in my truth. So to me, that's the question, right? If we don't have access to this, why not? Right? Why not? So now we'll begin to have access to it. And I would say that's one thing, but also, I would say, look at the lifestyles that people that are living, so don't get me some crazy like ISIS, blah, blah, blah, all this other nonsense, man. But look at the people like in your neighborhood, man. And look how they're, they're, I mean, you know, these types of things that influence people to make just incredible decisions. Taxi

Driver, New York Times did a story on him. He returned bag that had like $10,000 in it was a taxi driver that like Mercedes gave him Mercedes Benz because honesty and integrity and these types of things that they pride themselves on as a company, to me that that, that reality that translates from 14 130 to 14 140 years ago into human beings right now. I mean, how many other philosophies have existed, and we don't even see them around anymore, but two, we don't see the type of conviction that we have inside of that's another aspect as people to look at a sponsor for that was Islam. Yeah, exactly. That's from the teachings of Exactly, exactly. I want to get your reaction.

We're gonna do a little reaction video. Okay, well watch it. Okay. See what what your thoughts are? Okay.

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What? What are your first thoughts? Yeah, I mean, well, I the context. I mean, first of all, I'm thinking like, what is it? And I'm hoping that it's like a mental health issue. Right. First hope.

Secondly, you know, what I see there is his his white supremacy, right? The things that he said to him, you're not a human, you know, I mean, this is stuff that we've heard before,

too, is then he uses religion to then to that affirm what he's saying he's hijacking now Christianity. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And, and, you know, it it's it's really interesting. just just just watching that.

Because I don't know what what the context of those other people Christian, are they not Christian? I don't I don't know what that we don't know if they're actual Muslim. He does. Yeah, exactly. But it doesn't seem like it's a Muslim. It just, it's a black white thing. To me. That's what initially, that's what I that's what that's that's what I that's what I that's what I think that's what I see. Yeah, yeah. I start to think my wheels start turning. And I and I think of Malcolm X when he wrote the letter. Yeah. And he said the truly I mean, without a doubt, you know, there's no system out there that clearly, you know, is so adamant about eliminating this race problem like Islam. Yeah,

the solution? Like he said, yeah, this is what has me that goes through my mind, ya know, it's interesting, there was a pastor that said the most segregated hour in in, in the country is

church, Sundays, you know, when when services are happening, because every Koreans have their own churches, blacks have their own churches, whites have their own churches. And so, you know, this is something that I feel again, like, it was interesting. I saw something the other day it said the it said the, the, the the solution to

fascism is education. And the solution to racism is travel. Right. So I think that there's this idea that if you're only around people, like you, then yeah, you're gonna you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna think like that. So that's a beautiful thing. Like when you go into our massage did everybody everybody call different all different?

nationality we just in in Oakland, it was like, a Burmese iftaar. A Vietnamese avatar.

A Nigerian avatar? A you know, I mean, obviously, there's the ACR that happened. I'm just saying it's like four or five different ethnic groups sponsoring an avatar inside of the machine, right. So now, you know. Yeah, it's just it's just deep. I mean, I yes. I don't know. I mean, that I am.

It's it's hard even watching that. It's kind of it makes you feel uncomfortable. Yeah, very, very, not unlike Oh, I'm uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable about like, bring this up. Because this is the reality we're living in. This is what's really this is not one video. They're just popping up all over the place. Yeah. And you know, a lot of times you see this hypocrisy, where people they'll point out this fringe element, you know, the insane state, and they'll try to make Muslims look like, you know, violent and barbaric even though the data shows and statistically, this is this is a, there was a professor Stanley fish I think his name is he's right next to where we are as a tuna.

He wrote an entire book on that. are Muslims more violent? I think it was called. And he stood flat and flat. And the argument I got, I got that statistic of more Muslims less murder, that statistic of 100,000

per capita, and it comes down to like 2.7% Muslim majority countries, as opposed to you know, here you have, it's like, three times more murder, right? So they flipped this. But now I'm seeing this is like the this is like the, the white. And when I say why, I mean, I'm white, I'm Muslim, it doesn't matter what you know, it could be Italian polish, whatever it is, but people like this, if he's truly following the I think of something that's connected to Jesus where one came to Jesus said it was gospel Matthew said, Oh, good Master, what the good thing can I do them I have eternal life. And Jesus said, Why are you calling me good? There's no good but God right. And then he said, if one

wants to enter to paradise, Jenna, you know, to, he said, One keeps most keep the commandments, then it goes on and so what are they said, you know, Thou shall not commit adultery, bear false witness, and the list goes on of same thing that's in Islam. But then he said, he said and love your neighbor like you love yourself. Look at that. So if you're a true Christian, and we want people to be really proud if you're gonna be a Christian, be a true Christian. Right and

Because this is not a true Christian right? So this mute true human being so this is like that white. I this is the white Christian ISIS that were scary. You're starting to see more of this come up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's really interesting. It's really like I said, I'm not. I'm not like I said uncomfortable in that term that's being thrown around all the way now. Oh, I'm uncomfortable. No, I like, like, first of all, I'm thinking like, you know, how my man gonna respond in and he's responding like a Christian. He's on some like turning the other cheek. he's doing he's doing it. So it's really interesting here you're seeing that he's claiming and he's acting that so

we can make all the claims that we want. Live it man. Live it. Have you have you have you seen because I mean, the data shows you have Islamophobia is like, you know, now these days, again, with the, with the amount of attacks now on mustards, on Muslims, you know, it's like 5% 500% increase.

I think, just recently, they had an article of how many Muslims have been attacked, and that, how have you guys, they're in California and you know, how to buckle up and the grace and mercy of Allah, we haven't experienced that, you know, I think there is this kind of live and let live and tolerate you kind of leftist Berkeley progressive. And that's where we, that's where we are.

You know, and, and I think, you know, well, I'd say, you know, hamdulillah we, you know, there have there was some some instances on campus, you know what I mean, but again, it sounds like me, and I'm not trying to write them off, but it did sound like they were kind of some mental health issues, but, I mean, definitely there are, you know, obviously, you had this mile Milo Yan innopolis, who was you know, fighting to come to campus and talk his talk. Islamophobia. Yeah, yeah, that whole Breitbart crew, you know, and and

you know, so you actually had that but again, you know, I see this as I see these guys as opportunities to be honest with you yeah, just a new way to make my own Pam Geller is making no What is it 120,000 off of a blog or something like this big business businessmen and it's an for those who apostate from Islam it's big businessman Yeah, you know and and and and everything tanks looking to grab you up and as long as you've got the story that I will then come to find out what are their families say, dude was never in Hamas. Dude, you know, he didn't even pray he was like a secular Muslim who had no connection to this, this

will lead Shabbat or something like that, whatever his name is, you can google any one of these guys that that pop up, and then they take him as if he Yeah, he's, he's advising Ray Kelly, like in New York, you know, police commissioner and these types of things. When you dig and do your due diligence on these individuals. That's the scary thing that they don't bring in someone like you, they don't bring in someone like, you know, a representative from you know, the the Muslim community, a scholar or someone who is going to come in and teach law enforcement, they have some of these they've This is a scary thing. In many of the law enforcement agencies, they have a lot of

these islamophobes teaching their classes. Yeah, that's scary. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think and I think so at that point, that you're not looking for a solution. Yeah, get an amine. And and because then you've put in everyone's in the minds of these cadets or whoever they are, that that everyone that that that that everyone's a potential threat. Yes, everyone's a potential threat who's a Muslim? And it was really interesting. I was I was I was looking the other day, I was reading something on the plane the other day, and it was talking about how even just the West has shifted in its in its kind of, you know, the hijab was kind of like this like the idea of the harem and it was

exotic and they sexualized it and I mean that's how it was kind of portrayed now it's like you know what I mean this it's it's a it's seen as like, leaning towards violence and anyway john Yeah, that would put because a woman because of this whole idea about conviction Yeah. As you become more religious right religiosity breed brings you to this place of violence. What am I so insane? That's insane. I can bring it I mean, I just like I said, I've lived about 10 years in the Middle East. My experience has been complete opposite of that. And that's just that's traveling through the Middle East. I just in one country, one group of people. Yeah. But I see that that's a lack of knowledge of

like this person, a little bit of knowledge of Christianity. That's right. And now what happens right as he's becomes a zealot, he becomes a fanatical extremist, maybe a little bit of knowledge of Islam, right? Probably more turned into extremist with you know, all of the violence that's happening is in our own country, but more Islam helps to humble you to become a better human being the best version of yourself that you were saying 100% and I mean, that's the whole thing to him his whole argument about you know, killing the non Muslims both I mean, what I'm going to take Shahada and then like go kill my family as my right from like, like, that's my duty now as a Muslim that is

just insane.

Like that you It's insane that you'd actually believe that that's that's exactly what it's it's it's insane that you'd actually believe that I want to show since you brought up the job this is uh, let me get your your reaction to this one. Since you you mentioned that he jobs. This is a popular someone shared this with me. And let's see what you think about this stays true to her signature style and reveals why she keeps her body covered up. I never want the world to know everything about me. I mean, that's why I wear big baggy clothes. Nobody can have an opinion because they haven't seen what's underneath. You know?

Nobody can be like, Oh, she's she's slim thick. She's not slim, thick. She's she got a flat, she's got a fat that

no one can say any of that because they don't know. Guys, I love that Billy is seriously just breaking the mold and doing it her own way. She wants people to focus on the fashion and not her figure. How in general would you describe your style? I want to see his logo style has always been something I care about.

You're talking about his job. not totally hit. But yeah, well, I mean, if you think about the meaning of hijab, I like to cover something then yeah, I mean, I mean, you know,

it that's Yeah, it just seems like you know many people that's why it's so important our education because it seems like the fitrah the natural state of the human being I mean gets corrupted the environment in our surroundings, but it just inside of us and you just need what once Islam comes it fits like a glove now it gives you that blueprint, you know, so you can see her kind of going toward that she don't want people to measure her by her body but by her intelligence, right. She's She's doing something a little above and beyond what everybody's doing. Yeah. And it's but it's interesting, though, of how someone like that is is is applauded, and and praised for it. But yet

how many Muslim women are doing this every day? And would probably say, you know, 70%, or whatever, obviously, it's for a law and it's following a commandment like this. But what actually say those same things as well, too. I'm not interested in you, observing me in a way that I don't want to be observed by you. So Billy, ah, she's like, have you ever heard of her? I know, she's like the new thing now. Okay. So the new Britney Spears Yes, affiliation. I guess she's real popular. So now she's like you just said it's like she wants to cover up show less wearing baggy clothes, right? Yes, is pretty much that's Islam not revealing the shape of hijab not revealing the shape of your

your body. But on top of that, having been just a good human being good moral character and whatnot, who now you said if as soon as she would have said Islam Muslim, was shut down? Exactly. Right. Look in the comment section when Lindsay Lohan or whatever her name was, yeah.

She's suffering from mental illness, all these other things, but she came on and said, I'm covering my body because, you know, it's just, it's just wild like basically, wow, yeah, you can be liberated. But on our terms, not Islam. Yeah, exactly. You have to be liberated on our terms, and will determine what liberation looks sociocracy. Exactly, exactly. But the beautiful thing about though, is that people aren't stupid, yes, people are not stupid, you know, the mean. And, and, and, you know, you can have a she comes and says you can have your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. You can have your own opinions, but have your own minions, but you're not

attached to your own facts. So she's telling you, you know, they mean, this fact about me, we can form any opinion, we want that fact remains with her the fact of what Muslims are doing, you can have your opinion all day, the fact will remain the fact, you know, you had this whole, you have the me to movement, and when recently we're talking about it, this is another point like that Islam has all these solutions, and now many of these big corporate giants and whatnot. Now they're implementing what you would think like, wow, this is what Islam says, Yeah, you know, how to interact with the opposite gender, what's right for the protection of the woman and yeah, and now

they're actually implementing these things. But it's interesting how it has it, run this whole cycle and go through being called patriarchal and all of these other things, but the end of the day, you're going to come to the same conclusion. Right? And so but again, it's on our terms. Yes, I think it is. And I think to me, that's a major problem. Like, and I'm not, you know, like, I don't think, I don't know, it's just what I was talking to a student the other day about this idea of what is it? Like, is the issue like a theological issue? Or is the issue one of like autonomy because I think in the, in the United States, of course, like this whole idea about, you know, freedom and

liberty and individualism and I think now if one affirms that there's a God now said, I have to be like bound to those rules, like I'm no longer like, the top of the chain, like the top of the pyramid, so to speak, right. There's someone that I have to and I think that's it that that becomes a problem for for for for people. One of the people that I've benefited, you know, and this doesn't take anything away from him. You know, Tony Robbins, right. Of course, he got caught up in this scandal also

I don't I don't really I mean, there's different levels to this and Islamic just another level. So obviously and i think i mean any man, you cannot just, this is the nature of man, you know someone who is who is at his level, just like you, you are in a different world, you're still he's a good i mean he's he's striving, striving to educate people and he has really some some good, some good things in place that, that if you implement it can it can help you get to another level. Islam just takes you to the hole. Yeah, yeah, the top of the levels. But what happened with with Tony was, again, Now, imagine if you're in this situation, we're probably doing the same thing. You know, he's

calling out the, he's got the most beautiful women there. He's calling the most beautiful women to be with him. This is the nature of man, you know, I mean, what do you expect from that, you know, but the hypocrisy of society now they want to like, like, take him under a microscope and just dismantle him and whatnot. And I'm like, Tony luck. Islam has the solutions, you want more you can get extra families. It just tells you don't be alone, you know, with the opposite gender because there's a chemistry there's a why saying that I rather be alone. Wiseman said I'd rather be alone with a suitcase of money than a beautiful woman. And the proof is actually in the Quran. You know,

the creator's telling us, you know, the thing that that excites me the most? Yeah.

I mean, exactly the desire. I mean, what do you think about? Well, I don't know, I think I think I think there's been such a deconstruction, on so many levels, we're talking about the deconstruction of, of, of gender now of what you know, not you said, like a man's desire. So that becomes a problem. You can't say that now maybe you can just man, you can't say that either. that's problematic. So then you have this idea of like, you're liberated once you fulfill your desires, be you you don't I mean, and I think this is do you whatever that you know, people say, but to me, that's what leads to the type of

collapse. Really, I feel like the collapse that we're seeing right now, we've never seen a level of mental health and suicide and of the numbers that we're seeing right now. And I'm sorry, I think that what happens is that once you set someone on a path, that that that can never be fulfilled. Right. It's then moving on to the next thing, the next thing, the next thing. So if you get to that continuing, well, I've done this, I've done this, I've done this I what's left? Yeah. Well, what if all of this is leaving me empty? Then what's the sense of purpose of living? Yeah, right. And I think that's where these ideas are coming into, you know, of questioning existence at that point.

And we're like, yeah, if you have no teleios, if there is no kind of end to this thing, then yeah, just keep just keep, you know, being a consumer, in a world that is set up for financial gain, and to keep your consumer. And I think, to me, that's why you see

why the Malcolm's and why the Dr. King's and why I was was such a problem, because they're speaking against that narrative. You know, obviously, race is the context that it's set in. But if you look at Dr. King's work at the end, where he's talking about, you know, the big three where he talks about, you know, incarceration, and war and then and racism, you know, that's, that's, you know, another area that we wouldn't want to talk about, you know, the military, industrial complex, and other things such as this. Yeah. How long have you been into eating the from when you became Muslim? practicing Islam? Were you always Well, obviously, yeah, you had to stay fit. So you were you eating

Thai? You back back then. Before reforming Islam, being Muslim? No, I, you know, I, I wasn't I think I've always I, you know, we grew up on processed foods, you know, and, but I've never liked it, you know, I've done nothing as my mother, obviously, she's a great cook, but we'd like these, like, soggy, like string beans, because they've been in the can and I mean, I just, you know, that whole transition that happens from like the post war, you know, industrialization of food to for shelf lives, and now we're being fed those same types of things. Like, I'm not, I'm not interested in that. And so I think what happens with this shift is that,

you know, you just have this this idea, not only does it not taste good, but you like tolerate it not tasting good. But and then when you begin to kind of look at, like, nutritional value, and how then that relates to like, output, like what you can do either on a physical level, or like on a cognitive level, like once you begin to cross that you're like, this. I'm not going you know what I mean? I, I and here's the thing for me, the thing that really turned the corner for me, was like, it wasn't about law. It wasn't about you know, it was about is about love. How much do I love my children and will I expect

Breast my love in this way. And that's really the thing that like, the lights went on. Yeah. So that was a you're actually at another level you actually hunter hunt for your own food and yeah, I mean, I'm not assessment hunter assessments Hunter is defined by someone who only eats what they hunt. Yeah.

So I'm not on that level but for me, you know, I just got tired of like, people complaining all the time of how bad the hell all meat is at the markets, right? Yeah, I get it like, you know what I mean I it's pretty horrific. I wrote my graduate thesis on this. I know, I know kind of what we're talking about. I've seen it. I've seen it in Mecca. We're talking about what? Yeah, exactly. So I got I got, I got to this point where I'm like, I'm just tired of people complaining. So that's why I started that hashtag get your own Hello, get your own Hello, right. So you go out and get it then. Right? And if you can't hunt, okay, that's one level, go make a relationship with a farm man. Go

make a relationship with a farmer. How about that? How about, he's introduced now to the beautiful manner in which we, you know, harvest a,

an animal how we slaughter an animal, right? And it all then you begin to learn the prophetic ethics that are concerned with the humane taking of this animal's life. And then the next level on that is how you honor that animal to the energy that you will use to do things. So work righteousness to that meat now you've honor that animal work, things that are displeasing to the Creator, you've dishonored that animal? And but but so yeah, to get to that point, you know, when we look at this, you know,

the sherea sets a pretty low standard in terms of halau. Like, like, legally, you basically have to have three things, you have to have the the tool in which you are using to slot the manner in which a person slaughters and then you know, and then really the religious status of the person slaughtering if you meet those three things, Hamas things Hello. And I think that's where we're at right now. Because we've become a hyper legalized community. And we've removed the ethics, because it complicates things, or it makes things difficult, or it can mean the dean is easy. Okay, yeah, the gene is easy, but you're eating something that's pumped with hormones, you know, antibiotics,

all these other things, abused, physically abused. And just because you said bissman law, when you cut the neck of it now, all of a sudden, it's supposed to, you know, fulfill the highest standard of it. No, I'm sorry. It doesn't matter if it completes the law. You know what I mean, but in terms of these higher standards of what people and then that's when you get this idea about well, can I eat non halau? Me, but at least it's it's it's the it's grass fed, it's humane, it's been, I can't find anything in our tradition that was going to say to you that legally, you can eat meat that did not meet the conditions for hell out or was from people of the book.

I think a lot of people they don't understand and much talk and importance is not giving in distinguishing. Okay, you have Hello, yeah. Now tell you about like Coca Cola might be Hello, you can drink it, but it's not tell you about Yeah, people don't know the difference, right. And I think, you know, the interesting thing here is that there's one level just for the, you know, what, what it does to your body, that's one level. But I think what the problem is Islam as you begin to read into it more his concern extends also to to the animal, like there's a hadith that said, you know, he walked by an animal that was very thin, you could like see its ribs, and its backbone and

like this, and he said, ride them when they're healthy and slaughter them when they're healthy. Right. So now, you know, Prophet Mohammed problem has been teaching right.

And so you have now consideration I I think, rather I think it goes all the way out to like, here's the thing. No, will argue that strawberries are like hella Haram. No, say you're crazy, right? But now if you want to talk about YouTube, and you didn't take into consideration like,

Okay, why is it that there's a higher percentage of cancer and people who are picking the strawberries because of the the the the art the carcinogenic acts that are inside of the pesticides that are being used. And those people are not allowed to have access to healthcare like other people are and their children are allowed to have access to education and other because they're undocumented workers, and they're picking strawberries as a Muslim, who's going to be rah, rah rah social justice, rah rah, rah Black Lives Matter, rah rah rah on my social justice bandwagon, but yeah, I won't look at food. My intake on that, I'm sorry, man, you've missed the point. You've

missed the point. You've made it very convenient for yourself, right in certain areas, and you're dismissing certain areas that are very clear.

And I think as we begin to adopt that as a community, now we've begin to kind of be more comprehensive in our Deen. Right? Because at the end of the end of the day, what I'm finding over and over again, brother is we're only concerned with like money. Like, how much does it cost? Yeah, it cost less. Cool. I'll take it. Go Go back rewind. What what's going on with astronomers? No, don't be saying so. So. So you have this is actually happened actually happened? Yeah, like tomato immokalee, Florida, like most of our tomatoes come from? Yeah, they're picked by undocumented workers. Yeah, they don't have access to health care, their children don't have access to education

in the way that they should. Right. But as Muslims, we're not even taking that into consideration. We're just like, Carlos, give me that. Give me the food. So what I'm saying in terms of time, if we're talking about being ethical consumers, we're looking at this thing all the way up, and we're supporting the companies that are doing it right and we're not supporting and putting our dollars behind companies that are not doing it right. To me that's that's really how this thing you know, plays out. So yeah, when you're spraying roundup and you're spraying these these chemicals, Monsanto's Give me a break man and it just change it to beer and they're also

you met you mentioned some last time we spoke you mentioned how when the Creator God Almighty Allah when when he when he makes something, it's in a fine tuning as soon as you, you, you, you add or delete you, you take it out of its, you know, precision. Mm hmm. Remember what you told me? Yeah. A little bit, but I think that remind me again, is exactly what I mean, because I'm parrot paraphrase. You were talking about when the crater when a law when he creates something, you know, I mean? Yeah, and this was relating back to GMO changing the creation of God. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, the first way that you read any later on the honkala, you know, I mean, that they are desires to change

the creation of a laws is a verse that's in the Quran. And it's, it's connected to something else. However, you could make an analogy in analogous chaos. It's called right and in terms of this, of the law, but but, you know, I think, because here's the thing, you know, all of these promises that were made to the Indians, I mean, you know, about this, you know, these these GMO crops that were supposed to be super crops and all these other things, but what they didn't tell them was how much water it would take, for example, right. So now, they can't pay for the amount of water that's required for for irrigation of these plants. So now the crops die, and you don't have access to the

seeds. Now they're out there in debt. And they're actually their suicide that's happening, they actually drinking, you know, the things that they should be spraying on their plants and all this other stuff as a result because of the debt that they've incurred and other things such as this. So it is a vicious cycle. And I think that, you know, when you look at permaculture, when you look at, you know, these types of approaches what Bill Mollison is, is, you know, Geoff Lawton contemporary, David Holmgren. Others such as this are promoting the work that they're doing. I mean, Jeff is being brought into to a lot of these refugee camps and other places, and bringing in these structures that

work with nature rather than against it. So that's how I see it's like two, two different approaches, like you said, earlier in the talk, when we're talking right? You have this one that's like working with a harmony of nature, go and look at what does the decomposition look like when a tree falls? And how do things grow out of it? And things like there's a natural order that's happening? And we come in? We're saying like, no, because we need the crop to yield this much. We want to now contain all of the variables and eliminate all the variables actually. Right. And in the process now, we are disrupting, in my opinion, this cycle that God has has has created for this and

then we're seeing we're seeing the price that people are paying the price for it. What do you think there's a there's a lot of good holistic doctors, you know, a lot of papers have been written on this, but it kind of goes against the mainstream. It goes against big industry money. And they talk about, you know, the power of food. Many have got one comes to mind, Dr. Kelly Brogan, she writes extensively on this healing people through nutrition through food, she also writes about how many of these medications are creating mental illness creating people that are out there, gunning people down linking it back to the prescription drugs and mental health issues coming back to, to this,

what we're talking about, you know, yeah, no, I mean, I think being connected somehow, here's the thing as well, this is the thing that I looked at one time, if you take a pill, like what's the path? He goes in, goes into your stomach, and then what happens? It finds its way into your bloodstream, right? Food is the same thing. So there's the same paths. So why is it that this synthetic pill

can do what, you know,

foods or herbs or other things? I mean, are we are we at a point in a society where we are seeing things and dealing with things that other that other general that other societies didn't have to deal with? And if they were dealing with them in a way that that was using, you know?

Now I'm not writing off completely allopathic.

Medicine there are there are some benefits 100% Yeah, but I also am not wholeheartedly, taking it all in and saying it has the answer for everything. I feel that in both of them is good. However, what I will say is that I'm looking to find out where these were. But here's the other thing. I think it's two things. One is that that's that path we are talking about. The second one is I feel that if Allah if Almighty God is is is is about mercy, then he's gonna put his mercy in, in in cures that are accessible to everybody, everybody, and not just people on a certain socio economic path. And this is I'll tell you what was taking a actually is a wilderness survival course I was in May

and I took this course. And poison ivy grows right next to its antidote, which is called jewelweed. They grow physically, they go right next to each other.

And, and, but the thing is, you have to actually put the jewelweed on before the the poison ivy hit. You can't put it on after but here's the thing. I actually had a medical student I told him that they were kind of like, I don't know if I really believe you, but Muslim, you know, they ran a test on their arm 100% this arm swelled up and flame this arm. Absolutely not. So now they tested it, they tested it right first. Now here's the thing. When our instructor was telling us about that they grow right next to each other, I thought about this Hadeeth propolis. On

my ends, the law had done it libido, a lot doesn't send down a malady, except for with its cure. Now, here's the thing. The bar here in LA, B de la, this bar in Arabic is called the bat of masaba. Right? Literally the companion. So it seems like right, where the problem is, I'm say if a fly falls into your soup, but I get both wings and goes in one side is the is the is the toxin and the other side is the cure. So here, that's my thought. Right? Allah sends down this thing right next to it, it's going to be its care. Yes. And we're looking for all of these other places. And and I'd love to see Muslims research in these areas based off of these, you know what I mean constantly exists

inside of our tradition. But this is the thing if where people have said another way, we have to have an open mind and we have to because nowadays that they act as this curriculum came down from the divine and you know, you probably talked to a lot of doctors, they don't learn nutrition and medical school. I just the driver that drove me over here today, not driver hungry, like someone from the community. He's a medical student, actually, he's the last time I was here, I stayed with him. And he had this exact conversation because he's on the same page about this. He's like, Look, I'm in medical school. And most of the students that I'm talking about about this gut brain

relationship as Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride talks about called gaps gut and psychology syndrome, his relationship. Dr. gundry is talking about Steven gundry is talking about it. Now. I just a Muslim doctor on Instagram just hit me up the other day goes by the name of the gut, MD. So he saw some of the stuff that I've been putting up. You know? He said, No, it's like, it's like, I'm like they're hearing Greek for the first time. We're all medical students. Yeah, right. He's in his rotations right now. He's saying none of them have heard of this relationship before of the gut and, and psychology. But like you said, this thing is sent down my wife, my wife is my wife has trained

nine years in Damascus.

as a as a student of knowledge, but now she is she taught at zaytuna for years, but now she's a full time student as a as a midwife. Yeah. And the same thing, you know, she met a woman who's a physician, who literally like berated her man, I mean, like, wife was like, wife was so hurt.

Because of, you know, the dangers of home birth. Like, are you kidding me? So everyone in civilization up until when you came on the scene was wrong. And now because your statistics and your data will tell us that you can infant mortality rates are down and this that and the third, like, all of a sudden we're just supposed to like, give ourselves up at the altar to this and and relinquish all the things that society has been doing up until up until this point? Are you kidding me? You were talking about humility, man, how about you show some humility just because you've been credential alized? Doesn't mean that you have all of the answers, my friend. I think that's what he

said about having an open mind. I think especially as a Muslim, this was a Muslim doctor, she was talking to man broke her heart, broke her heart. And these are the same people that you go and you know, and you're sitting around you got, I mean, it's not to put down any doctors. It's got to be you got to rise to the next level. Because there's so much to learn. You know what I mean? Take the good from the allopathic go out there and take the good from Chinese medicine from the sun and be the best right when I need the Greek tradition. The would they call him the father of medicine? What's his name on that? Always? What's his name?

Hippocrates Yes, he said, Let food be your medicine medicine be your food, Hippocratic oath, do no harm. But, man, if you look at, you know, a table full of doctors and some massages, they're sitting around, you know, drinking Coca Cola Pepsi. Yeah, eating the fake food. Yeah. And now there's the person that is, is what is he's been trained to be, you know, we know MD stands for master drug dealer. So he's just pushing the drugs. You know, I mean, it's wild. You know, I went to I went, I don't know for a checkup or something I can't remember. And I don't to be full transparency. I don't really go to the doctors often in this is what woke me up when I sat with the most healthy, a walk

in people. And I asked him when's the last time you're a doctor? I thought this is just unconceivable it's like, Is it 20 years ago? Yeah. What do you do I watch what I eat. I take care of myself. When I got my job at Dartmouth, this was 2000 This was 2010 fall of 2010. I went to get my checkup, HR send you there. You have to go get a medical checkup. The doctor comes back and says I miss you. So you can ask your questions. Yeah, so your medical record showed last time where the doctor was 15 years ago? Yeah. And I said, Yeah, that sounds about right. There just got a blank stare, you know, and I can say that was that was 2010 we're at nine so another nine years. Honestly,

I've probably been to a doctor you know, I mean, like having to go to one Yeah, I thought I brought my toe to get my meniscus I tore my meniscus so there's certain cases Yeah, that's where it in terms of just the best Yeah. Going because I thought I was sick.

I don't know that I've been in the last nine years. And so what I was gonna say is that the one time that I went in to go get some blood drawn what it was man lineup at the pharmacy downstairs was just I mean, just casting white coats. I just felt like this was like buki and Ray Ray, like out of the box.

Another level man. It's insane. cvcs popping up all over the place everywhere. legalized drunk pushing. Yeah. clocking McDonald's on the first and 15th easy's Uh huh.

I mean, this is so it comes down. If we can get people What advice would you have people is real simple. I mean, eating the tayyiba that the creators give avoiding fake food, eating real food. Obviously, if there's, you know, emergency situation, you got to get there but people just differentiating I mean, between the two because you're not going to go to the to the regular doctor and he's going to tell you, you know, give you a prescription on changing some of the the things in your cupboard and yeah, removing things from your fridge. He's not No, because he got trained there. Yeah, and I'm sorry, but like the like that things are connected, right? Because here's the thing,

check this out lifestyle, right. So lifestyle one, but to just even physically Yeah, so I've got a pain in my knee. Well, here's take these, right. No one's telling you that maybe like your, your your spine is misaligned, which cause your shoulders to be misaligned, which causes your hip to be misaligned, which now cause you need to be misaligned. So all every single step you're taking, it's like if it's supposed to work like this, and the joint is just skewed a bit. Now, how many steps are you taking, it's grinding in the wrong place, you're going to have a hip pain, but no one's telling you. That's because I mean a knee pain problem, but no one's telling you that your pelvis is tilted,

and no one is telling you that's because your shoulders are misaligned. And I'm telling you that because your spine is misaligned. So now all of a sudden you begin to like look at chiropractic you begin to look at acupuncture you begin to look at

you know yoga you begin to look at steam baths, you know heat getting into heat and ice and and so to me, the biggest thing I think right now, is this whole issue of of of prolonged inflammation. When you mentioned these things, they'll say that okay, this is unscientific. This is more quackery. What would you say? That's proof is in the pudding. Yeah, you know, when you flip that but a lot of this stuff that is there there's no science behind much of the things that are going on nowadays. But he I mean, he you know, there's an over the 100 years there's nothing actually been cured, but I think it's confirmation bias you don't I mean, I'm sorry, like I think when you have you know, your

malpractice insurance is so high then there's a number that you have to meet per day and this is from someone who left the practice so this the Can I can't

I can't take care of patients in this way basically. And she was like I'm done. You don't I mean, she had her own practice with with someone else and just said you know, the pace that I'm bound to because of because of our malpractice insurance and there's numbers basically I think what it is is like seven minutes or something like that then she was I think she said it was like he had seven minutes to diagnose with a with a patient like the full like from the minute you walk in the door. You have seven minutes. Yeah, so the hi how are you do like all that stuff. You don't I mean, it's eating that's eating time. You can tell by a good doctor, the amount of time they spent on the

initial visit. I mean a good doctor more or less time when they spent like an hour and a half at least minimum and

This is more of a doctor, that's holistic minded. Yeah, it was really lucky enough to manage the symptom. But looking for the for the root problem. I mean, this is just a classic example like, what are these things that they're talking about? You know?

How,

like, if you don't have the right type of sleep, that it can affect your blood pressure. Yeah. But if I just come in and be like, Oh, well, you've got high blood pressure. And I've asked you about your sleeping patterns. Right, that is going to issue you a pill now. You know what I mean? And that's why I'm saying about looking at holistically, like, you talk to me, what is it? You didn't mean? And yeah, there's a checklist. Do you smoke? Do you have diabetes in your family? Do you have like, okay, but you know, what I mean, I just think that there's other factors that are not captured in that, that, you know, and I mean, that that, that is really interesting. A friend told me this,

and I didn't confirm it. But I think it's just an interesting concept, whether it's true or it's not. He said that there was a time in Chinese medicine, where you mentioned this, yeah, where you paid your doctor, right? When you were healthy, and you didn't pay him when you were or her. You didn't pay the doctor, when you were when you were sick. Right. Now, think about that. If the whole

health care, a project is predicated upon keeping people healthy, what great motivator is it then that you don't get paid? If I'm sick, man? Yeah.

That's powerful. It's really powerful man.

Amazing. So well, we covered a lot this is.

Because those are the key components, I mean, have a healthy heart, you know, life is all comes back to lifestyle,

and food to you back, you know, eating the good food that the creator Allah has given us. And many of these other things, these are components. And if you miss one, which many people are missing, two, three of them for and this is a mess that we're in. So inshallah people can benefit some of these. Some of these advices. And I tried to push out there, where we started with, and you could do it too. We started with the law and one could start saying it just putting God Almighty Allah above everyone. That's right. And anything and you were saying it, you know, hello, look as simple as like a lullaby. La la la star cent, La Ilaha, Illa LA. And then we talked about the importance of eating

real food. There's halau and there's type type is the real How would you define that? tell you that? Yeah, it is a tough word to to, to, to define. But you know, like, say real food. Yeah, yeah. Pure your Where is it? Pure is organic. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I think I think it's probably closer akin to what we find now of the organic for years. I mean, humane, antibiotic free hormone free, it just they didn't have to say all those things, because that was the normal the norm. That was the norm. Yeah, now we've industrialized it. And now we have to call it real food. I mean, that that's that and of itself is insane. Right. When you want to eat real food, does it make sense?

Yeah. Just Wow. And then. And then. So in trying to give advice to the musters to get the Coca Cola out of the machines? That's right.

100% Actually, that's the other stop giving kids these candies. Yeah, that exactly. Give them like some some dates Africa Exactly. Or just say, you know, dried mangoes. Let me just begin to explore. Yeah, begin to explore and then, you know, the brothers had that drop me off. You know, he's talking about he said, he went to Soho this morning at the masjid and again, not pounding on mustards. But he was like, Look, they gave us like, a big thing of Nutella. And, and some cereal. Like some, like, you know, some sort of like, you know, Lucky Charms, I mean, not like, like

Froot Loops or something like this. And then that was like the like, curry chicken lamb dishes that like, I mean, panela like we've experimented this year.

Had a green smoothie every morning, man. That's it. That's it. So here's a green smoothie. And I'm not just like sitting around doing nothing. No days pretty active. And and, and, and negative. Yeah, yeah. And then break it with celery juice. We do we do celery juice. And then we have a very simple meal of a protein, a salad and a vegetable. No, that's like a steamed broccoli or a steamed cauliflower or big sweet potato or something like that. And then a salad. Very simple salad.

And you're good man. We've been the whole month, the whole month like that equals to you but Eagles tell you about and this is an activity by that now. Yeah, yeah, you'll get rewarded for that because your intention is to honor your body. That's right. You're developing nutritional integrity honoring this vehicle. Yeah is getting you through life. You can get rewarded. I love that term nutritional integrity. This is from my my nutrition is Jim Marlo Rochelle. Yeah. So this is I mean, this is just so important and inshallah this can be a benefit to people because the results are devastating cancer.

Heart disease all this stems from doing the opposite what Allah told us eating all the garbage fake foods. Yeah, yeah. And those just interesting those cereals that you mentioned. They did. They did studies that glyphosate was in the majority of these major brands, cereals. And this is one of the leader that's connected to cancer. You're giving your kids cancer food. And that's why I said when I said what, why I said what I said, It stems from love to how can you, okay, even eat with a smoke, there's fire? So say it's not to that degree that it's cancer causing, but it's something else? Why would you even think about serving that to your child? It wouldn't mean I mean, if I told you that

this is going to spring, some sort of harm to your child, it'd be like, either be like, get that thing away from me or like to bring it bring give me give me give me a six pack of it. You know, parents are, this is like a form of child abuse, I'm sorry to use such strong language. But you see parents projecting their food preferences on these kids, you see these kids over B's, if you look at the parent there, they're right there with the kids. So they're the ones that are abusing their kids in this way. You know, yeah, and I think the thing is, is it's also convenience, like I get it, and I'm not trying to knock people or shame people is another term that we say today. But however, we

have to slow down then he didn't mean if that's what it is, like, if it's just a microwave meal, I'm going to pop it in like that, then other things are wrong in my life that I need to address as to why I only have time to pop a microwave meal and and give that to my child like, you know, the and then. And it's interesting, because people will ask us, like, you know, oh my god, your kids eat brussels sprouts and asparagus and artichoke hearts and broccoli and all other things. You know why? Because we didn't give them those other things in the beginning. And so now it's like, someone came to my house like, Oh, my kid will only eat mac and cheese. But if you only gave them mac and cheese,

what do you think now said they're going to switch to Brussels sprouts. You've you've got them addicted to the fake foods to sugar. You made him a sugar out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's pumped in all these foods. And all of this. Okay, yeah. And that's it, you know, it's really a trip is that those are the two things the body the soul sweet and savory. Yeah, I mean, the glucose and sodium, like, those are the things that our bodies crave. And so they're not stupid. And I mean, and that's why like the milkshake, and the sodas are the sugars, and then also the sugar and the ketchup and the sugar and the bread and the sugar and the and then the salty is like the fake meat in the

McDonald's. They're not I mean, this is not this is not rocket science. And then you go to you're sorry to bring up the doctor analogy again, but you go to your average doctor, he says, Don't worry about it, cuz he's eating the same thing.

Alright, so let's close it up. And we're gonna have to do this again, over so I look forward to area. very enlightening, and so many different gems here. So thank you very much. I really appreciate it. What What else would you do with a simple place to start with this, you know, for the person who's seeking purpose. Now they heard this, and also linking it back what final words of closing also for the person, there's all these diets, all these trends, and someone's really they tried this and that and they just, you know, I like I like to tell people eat real food. Avoid fake food. That's white belt level. Yeah, right. Yeah. What are you like to tell? Yeah, I would say that,

you know, one is, you know, if you if you get subbed, right, there's another match. So I've met with people and they get all set up and they do all these things. But then they're like, Hey, I didn't hear from you for a while and it's almost like they're ashamed to call you because maybe they they relapsed or they went back to me saying it's okay. Right. Because the reason why I say it's okay, because I take the the principle of our Deen, our Deen is redemptive. This whole. This whole thing is about you being redeemed from wrongs that we all wrong ourselves every day we wrong ourselves, right? This is just another aspect of we just look at it. Okay, Haas in it. I mean, you won that

round, you're not gonna win the next round. And I think that's really what it is. I looked at it that way. I've been off our family's been off of sugar for about six six plus going on going on seven years now. I'll get like this sugar

is like, like, analogous to my knifes. And we started off on our feet.

Gotta take down, grappled, I got to your back. I got you in a rear naked choke. Why would I even think about letting you up right now? Right? Yeah, you're going to now know my technique for coming in on the takedown. You're going to know my technique now for taking your back. And you're going to be twice as inspired and, and have that type of rigor that you're going to come at me with it to prevent that from happening. And I feel like that's when we make headway on these things. Oh, let me have a cheat day. It's a lie, man.

Exactly. Exactly. I have a friend of mine is a doctor and boys in medical school. He went like 90 days without sugar. Sell it. friend told him now you deserve to, to you know to give yourself a break. Stop being so hard on yourself. He said he won't do it. I was never able to recover from that.

That was it you went right back to sugar. It's like taking that taking that which you're not supposed to take Exactly. But you can substitute it right you can get healthy and green, healthy and green honey. You know, um, you know dates i mean you know

stevia is all kinds of things that we can do but you look I love delicious food I love sweets right? Yeah, my kids are making that we're making them at home in an amine so anyway

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