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So I guess I'm an Orthodox Christian but if I had to bet on one religion as if I were betting on the stock market for the future, have to balance mom or near a mosque I feel the energy that I'm at peace with raw
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Smilla Assalamu Aleikum greetings of peace. Welcome to the show. I'm your host not the majority of you got acquainted with my next guest Emori Andrew Tate, who's a four time kickboxing world champion, commentator and businessman entrepreneur. When his video went viral in the Muslim world people were emailing us the video and forwarded to me actually on WhatsApp saying you got to get this guy on the show. So here we go. Welcome welcome Andrew Tate. How're you doing? My brother? I'm good my friend. I'm good. Sorry for the delay in my appearance. But you know, I made it in the end that's the most important thing very nice. Thank you for accepting the invitation
here so let's start off with the scenes they got to see this you're in this car now was familiarize me with some of these this this brand this it says on the steering wheel II hold out what are the people seeing here? Oh
that's that's me in Dubai. Just you know living the life my friend living the life in Dubai. So I'm there a lot I'm there often. And my that's actually the place my place I stay it's right opposite the mosque. So beautiful. Do you actually if you don't mind me, do you know the words? What were what are being said when you hear the Adonis and you hear so so often there? No. So I think you and I first started speaking after it was actually a video before this video, I believe I was on a podcast and I was explaining how much respect I have for the faith of Islam. And how it's a faith which is formidable. And it's a faith that needs to be respected. If somebody says, look, the the
Muslims are angry at you, then it matters. But if someone says the Christians are angry at you, nobody cares anymore. Right? And this is what I was trying to say I have a lot of respect for the faith. I'm not a practicing Muslim. However, I do have absolute respect for it. So no, I don't understand the words. I didn't. I didn't. I don't know what it's saying. It's beautiful. But please tell me I'd love to know. Yeah, that's what I love to do is you know, because it's so beautiful. But then actually you appreciate it even more. You know, like if you're telling somebody you're also you speak Romanian? I little bit yeah. Speak a little bit Romanian. I'm American originally. You're from
Chicago? No, correct. I'm from Chicago, but I live in Romania now. Which is, it's kind of crazy. Like my whole religious experience. My whole religious journey is I prefer to spend time in the most religious places on Earth, I think they're the best places to be. Romania is very, it's the opposite of Dubai, it's extremely Orthodox Christian is actually the most Christian country in the world. So I spend most of my time between Dubai which is you know, very overtly Muslim. And then I come to back to Romania, which is very overtly Christian, but both of them have strong faith and I think a lot of the problems with the world today is that the West is lacking faith and I don't like being
around I don't like being an agnostic or atheistic societies anymore, I try to avoid them if possible. So inshallah which means God willing after you and I'll define these terms when we go alive do you take you're in the maybe shall on the future, you take your shahada or maybe even on the show, you can end up in the most holiest place in Mecca since you like being around most religious places? Well, hey, absolutely. I mean, like I said, my own personal journey it's it's I think it's taking a little bit of time i i know
people often ask me What religion are you and I just hard for me to answer that specifically when I am in Dubai or near a mosque I feel an energy that I'm at peace with and I enjoy Wow. But I can't say it's not true also about particular churches here in Romania. So for now, all I know is I need to be a good person. And that's what I'm trying to do. But I have I stated in the last podcast before it People often ask me, you know which religion do when they asked me which, which religion I am, I make it very clear. The religion I have the most respect for is Islam. It's not it's not even close. It has to be.
So just for educational purposes, I like to go ahead and just share with people when you hear this, that and you'll probably appreciate even more what the person is saying it's the call the prayers God is the Greatest. God is the Greatest. There's no God but the one
God, there's nothing worthy of worship but God, Come to Prayer Come to success. And there's nothing worthy of worship except God. And Muhammad is the final messenger. This is basically in a nutshell, what the meaning is behind it. So that seems pretty reasonable. Yeah, I mean, I know what automatically include Jesus mode and all the preceding messengers that came in, because when you take this, this testimony, the shahada right away, it doesn't exclude Jesus. And this is I don't know, if you've already learned by now that it's a pillar, it's actually to the belief in Jesus is something that every Muslim has to love and revere. Jesus is a mighty messenger, otherwise you can
you exit Islam. Yeah, it's actually amazing how, in many ways, like you're saying, Jesus is one part of it. But in many ways, obviously, there's key differences. But in many ways, there's a lot of similarities. And it's kind of funny to me, whereas Christianity in the modern world has become such a laughingstock. And it has been because people don't practice it in any kind of strict way anymore, really. And people say, oh, you know, Islam, so strict, and I say, look, a lot of the rules of Islam are also in the, in the Bible, you're just, you're a Christian who's never read it. Like you've never read your own Bible, you know, you don't know what your own rules are. So it's amazing how
similar a lot of the tenants of the two religions are. It's just Islam. And Muslims are the last people who take it seriously and practice it in a way it should be practiced and respect it. And that's why I think I first kind of went viral in the Islamic world when I said, Look, I have so much respect for Muslims as a whole, and the way they view their faith and how seriously they take it. I don't understand why you have these girls who call themselves Christians, and they're drinking on Saturday night, meeting boys doing whatever and then going to church on the next day. I don't that doesn't feel real to me. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. I want to get into that video now.
And take some clips from it. You can watch yourself, I was gonna do a breakdown of this. But I said why not had the man on himself. You could do a breakdown, do a breakdown while I'm here. I'd love to hear it, bro. You do a breakdown? Here. Let's go ahead. You help me with it. Islam fixes a lot of the problems that men are car currently facing problems we're discussing on this show. Islam fixes all of them. Right? That's the first thing about Islam. And I'm not a Muslim, right? If I had to choose a religion, I would because I live in an Orthodox Christian country. I go to the Orthodox Christian church, I donate $20,000 a month, the church into the church, the church in Romania is
very powerful. And I like having church friends. So I give them a lot of money. Right? So I would guess I'm an Orthodox Christian. But if I had to bet on one religion, as if I were betting on the stock market for the future, you have to bounce markets deep. What do you think? What do you think of my, my analysis? I love it. I mean, this is you actually. Did you have a lot of Muslim contact to you after this? I mean, they were sharing I was getting this video from from my team from on WhatsApp all over the place. Yeah, I was getting Yeah, crazy messages all over all over Instagram, lots and lots of messages. And I think a lot of people were very surprised by what I said. But it's
very true. I mean, what I say is Islamic faith. And I've said it already on this podcast is taken seriously as respected by its its tenants. And it's very much like, you know, if I mean, given an analogy, if you don't respect your own house, if you walk into somebody's house, and it's an it's a mess, you're not going to worry about making a mess, or about cleaning up after yourself or leaving a cup on the coffee table, right? But if you walk into someone's house, and it's pristine, they're gonna be very, very concerned about making a mess. And they have, Muslims have so much respect for themselves that people automatically respect a religion as a whole, whereas Christians don't. And
this is the thing when we talk about things having longevity, we talk about things lasting into the future, especially religions as a whole. If you become tolerant of everything to the point where like, Christianity is now they say, Oh, we're tolerant. Well, if you're so tolerant, you ignore your own book, then what are you? Do you know where I'm coming from? And that's why I have so much faith. Sorry, so much respect for the Islamic faith. And that's why it's the one I would bet on and when I say bet on I mean, I can I know Muslims will be here in 100 years. What does What does Christian mean today? Very little, what's it gonna mean? 100 years? Nothing. Like, let's be honest, right? So
that's also another really interesting way to look at it. Because then I start to look at things and say, Okay, well, you have to choose which religion or which faith, you believe is, is the true faith. But if one faith survives, and the other faith is annihilated in real time, that tells you a lot as well, doesn't it? Doesn't that tell you a lot.
It's really interesting for me, it's like I have not made any kind of final decisions, etc. But I try and analyze thing from a very, very logical perspective. I know God exists. And then you go say, Okay, God exists. And there's all these different interpretations of God as such, but the only one I see which has a warrior class that people fear is Islam. That's that's the only one there is.
That so let's content can you on here, respect that about them? I respect that. That's an amazing thing about them. Right?
And the third point is, and I've been all around the world, some of the best countries in the world today, or the first world Muslim nations, yeah, Qatar, you can go to Qatar, you can fall asleep with a million dollars on your lap, in the middle of the street. Nothing's going to happen to Saudi Arabia, go to Saudi, nothing will happen. You can go to buy UAE nothing, they leave their cars parked with the easy side, it's so safe. Wow. You know, we often hear Andrew, you know, people end up hearing that, oh, if you go out to that part of the world, they're going to chop your head off. They, they create this fear and anxiety, you know, for people living in America. But now you're
talking about something totally antithesis to that you tell me it's so safe. And you said something that if you could fall asleep and cutted with a million dollars on your lap, literally, and it still be there? Absolutely. And that's the thing. Yeah, you can get yourself in a lot of trouble in those countries, if you turn up and disrespect the country as a whole. But why shouldn't Why would you do that? Right? If you turn off and you show the respect the appropriate respect, you're not going to have trouble in these places at all. All of the trouble that exists in the West, the general, I often say like, it's kind of strange when you discuss crimes as a whole, right? It's kind of
interesting to me that the Western democracies have always sold this lie that you're safe from the government if it's a democracy. Well, that's not true. That's been proven in real time recently, right? Canada's prove that Australia has proved that America is proof that so you're never safe from your government. So democracy as a whole is no safer to exist under then a kingdom, like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or a dictatorship, there's, you're no safer under a democracy. So we can remove that element, the whole idea that they're not democratic, because democracy doesn't provide anything or, or, or, or help anything in terms of safety from the government. But what a democracy does do is
caused so much fraction and so much disintegration amongst the society that now you have to not only fear your government, you have to fear the normal people on the street. It's crazy. I read yesterday in LA, they're telling people no longer to wear jewelry, they're advertising on the news, don't wear jewelry. Wow, that's incredible. And this is one of the this is the richest country in the world, right? And you go to these poor countries, these poor countries, but because people like we just discussed because people are religious, because people have a higher purpose, because they see beyond the material goods of only this world, it's a very safe place to be I've been to these
places, and I feel completely perfectly safe. Yes, of course, I could get my hand chopped off of I'm an idiot. But what but but I would rather exist in a society where I know the lines, and I know the boundaries. And I know how I get myself in trouble and not do it, then exist in New York City where I can be obeying the law and just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get a drive by, you know, I'm saying absolutely. These places are absolutely safe. And they're safe, because they've maintained, they've maintained the basic structure of family, the basic structure there they are true. That's all it is. When you maintain the basic structure of family, you maintain the basic
structure of society. Yep. And that's all it is. Right. And it's kind of amazing as well. In first rule, Muslim nations, when you maintain the, the the family structure, people also don't want to bring shame upon their family. So the family do a lot of policing, they don't want to have a member of their family that's out there committing crime, right. So like, the West is broken on so many levels. And that's what I was kind of saying in that video is that a lot of the problems are fixed by Islam as a whole and the first world Muslim nations are proof of it. I think a lot of people think that Muslim countries are dangerous because of a lot of the war in the Middle East. But the
war in the Middle East is propagated by the West anyway, that's again, that's America's fault. So
you know, it's it's, it's crazy. Really, how did you feel? Would you feel welcomed? Obviously, you've been there for a long time to buy, how did you feel now? With the community people welcoming the hospital, hospitality, etc. It's Yeah, it's amazing, like Dubai is the least racist place on the planet, I think 90% of the people they're from other places, you can be black, white, new Filipinos, or they're Vietnamese there, everyone's there. From everywhere, Americans, everyone's there. It's amazing that you have a city which is statistically so safe, with all these different people from all these different places, right. And they've done that by just maintaining some kind of social
cohesion. You can't have degeneracy all around you 24/7 Without degenerating as a person, right. And that's what's happened in the Western world. To a degree Christianity used to keep the Western world in check. But they the Christianity is become so weak, it doesn't mean anything anymore. And we're living in a situation now where if you want to go somewhere where you know that you can exist in a wholesome environment, I mean that when you go outside, you're going to see families, man woman's children, it's going to be fairly wholesome, ever seen kind of degeneracy? You're not going to see anything strange, anything weird. You're not going to see like any of the crazy crap you would see
walking down the street in LA, you're just not going to see it. And Dubai tries very, very hard to prevent degeneracy while also allowing people from all around the world to come live and safety and and work hard and make a good life for themselves. And they've done it all under the guise of Islam. I have so much respect for that. Women, everyone's married, every woman obeys.
Her husband, every single woman has four or five, six kids, big families, all the things we're talking about all the problems we have here, right? They've got none of that. None of it. Because of Islam. Islam keeps society in the role where women obey their man. Women have children, women have big families, women are exceptionally happy to do so. Yes, for some Western girl comes in here and runs her mouth. The Islamic women are happier than any, you're gonna see in the club tonight, the very true they're happy, society is functioning, their population is growing, because in most Western countries, the population is declining, you know, to talk about it today I was
a kid doesn't work doesn't work, right? The two people need to have 3.1 kids because people die, right? People die prematurely, blah, blah, blah. So we have population problems in the West, they have none of the population problems. Society is functioning. and that's that's what society is society is. society starts at the smallest possible group, you got families and families make a street and that street makes a village and that village makes a town that town makes a city and that city makes a country. That's a beautiful example that you just gave, where we seem like people are going away from from this. You gave this example how there's like a hierarchy. You have the husband
running the house than the wife and there's some structure there. And people are having children. We see a lot of people walking dogs over here. Yeah, well, I mean, nothing against dogs. I'm not saying but you seem like people have replaced or taking more pets than children nowadays. Yeah, absolutely. And, and there's a bunch of reasons for that. And it's basically because I think most both genders, especially in the West have forgotten their roles as a whole. Like, I understand why most men are not waking up thinking, You know what, I want to have a bunch of kids with a woman the legal systems out to destroy, most of the women aren't going to behave themselves or comply in any kind of manner.
Like, I had many Muslim friends, I grew up in Luton and England, which is predominantly Muslim, and I can even as a whole London has a lot of Muslims as well. Yeah, my Muslim friends used to say to me all the time, we'd be out walking around, and they'd see some girl on a short skirt, or whatever. And they say, This is why I need an Islamic wife with Shia wife. She's naked and drunk to me. Like there's, there's, I've said, What did you mean? 2am or 2pm? Actually, am sorry.
2pm In the afternoon, well, just drunk and just, you know, run around acting crazy. And, and there's this degree of, I mean, hey, I think if you were to ask any man, if you'd want an Islamic wife, a wife who complies, who's not going to cheat, who behaves herself, who dresses modestly, maybe not even completely, you know, full burqa, but dresses modestly, behaves appropriately shows respect this, that was that whole podcast was about how to try and make females basically act the way they've acted for the longest period of human history up until modern times where they've completely forgotten. And I said, well this long,
because they don't have any of these problems, right? We now live in a world in the west where we've thrown religion away, and we've thrown cultural norms away. We've thrown so many things away. And there's a degree of confusion amongst people, people are lost. They really are men and women. I think a lot of the Western women act so degenerate, and they don't do it because they're evil. They're doing it because they're trying to find happiness. And they can't find it, right. And I think all maybe a new man's happiness, maybe drinking alcohol is happiness, maybe taking drugs is happiness that and if you don't ever find a higher purpose, you're just going to degenerate in a
spiral downwards. And that's kind of what's happened. And now we're in a situation where in the West, a man can't find a wife worth having. And people keep saying all men don't want to be many more men don't want to get married, would you marry some chick you meet in the club in Miami?
You'd be a fool. Like I won't, you know. So it's yeah, it's really interesting how societies degrade in it's all started at the bottom I it's very hard to find a humble woman who's modest, who wants to have many, many children for a man She obeys and respects in the Western world, outside of Islam, family levels broken, but it's broken the whole way up. Yep, yep. And that's what's happened in the West, and the first world Islamic countries have none of those problems. So you're gonna talk about a belief system that fixes issues. You need to go to Islam, and
everything, but I just have absolute even though I wouldn't identify as Muslim I have. So I have absolute respect for the ideology, respect for the mentality, respect for the warrior aspect of it. I respect that they don't play, they don't play, you can't solve their [???]. But you can assault the church all day, you can make fun of the show. True again, no. Yeah. And there's a lot of depth to what you're saying. Absolutely. Yeah. And what's the point of a belief system if it doesn't maintain society? Like we're talking I just said there how Islam will fix a lot of the problems in society. Well, what's the point of a belief system if it doesn't maintain society? Wasn't not the whole point
of belief systems since the dawn of time wasn't it to show people how to live in a way which is going to benefit the world as a whole? Isn't that the whole point of a belief system? You have a belief system that doesn't benefit society then what then what's the good is it right? Christianity benefiting society anymore? Cuz no one's listening.
Christianity is so weak, which goes on to the point I'm just about to make about how you cannot insult the Islamic faith, you cannot insult it, you cannot mock it. In the Christian countries, they mock Christianity all day long, they'll make fun of their own religion. It's incredible, right. And it's to the point now, where it Oh, Netflix on TV, they'll just market market market, but they still even in these countries, which see themselves as atheist or agnostic will not mock the Islamic religion because they know that that's going to be a mistake. And this goes on to a wider point outside of religion, which is kind of my life philosophy. If you don't have the balls to fight and
defend an idea, then you don't have an idea. It doesn't matter what you think if someone comes along and says, true, apologize for swearing, if someone comes along and says that will be bid out.
Or someone comes along and says that's not true. And you're not prepared to stick up for yourself and defend your idea, then it doesn't matter anymore. If I say two plus two is four, and someone comes along, says two plus two is five, and he's about to hit me and I'm scared of him, then he becomes right might makes right to a degree. If you're not prepared to defend an idea, you don't have an idea. So if you're not prepared to defend the faith, you don't have a faith. And that's why when you start to add all these things up, it's like the last faith on the planet is, is Islam, there's just no other faith that people are ready to die for and defend. And if you're not ready to
defend an idea, you don't have an idea at all. And for those people who are tuning in, who are not acquainted a lot, a lot of people who are Muslim watching this program, but then we get a lot of Not Yet Muslims out there. And Islam simply means to gain peace to acquire peace, purpose in life by submitting your will to the one Creator of the heavens and earth, God Almighty. In Arabic, we say Allah and Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, he was ALLAH Ha, hello, this is, you know, simply the one Creator of the heavens and earth. Now, you. You mentioned in one of your talks, you talk about Will Smith, and some of the things that he's been through, you know, with his marriage and that do
you think he could have benefited from the from the system the way of this way of life we're talking about? Absolutely, he could have I mean, look, look at the absolute he's become a laughingstock he was the coolest guy in the world, right? Everyone loved Will Smith, before his wife completely destroyed him and wrecked him. It's, it's, it's really crazy to me, because we live in a world now where you have to be real. I want us to correct language here, you have to be an animal as a man. And I mean, you have to be like a real top shelf top tier man to make sure that you can get through life in the western world without either being embarrassed by a female cheated on by a female to
still enjoy the company of females to not have anyone trying to take you to court or destroy you. Like, if you're the top top 1% Like I've done fine, then you can do it. Right. But for the for the average man in the West, outside of the idea of an Islamic marriage, for example. There's basically no hope. There's no hope. Like, what are you going to do? What are you going to pull off? It's incredible. And and I know a bunch of guys who who are Christian, and they go to the church, and their Christian wives cheat on like the church, I'm going to save you. It's this is what I mean. Like, there's no there's no fate. There's nothing there. And it's kind of Yeah, it's incredible. And
you like you say you talk about Will Smith, I think a lot of people can benefit from the entire Islamic worldview. I think it's I think it's beneficial to society as a whole. And we look at if you want to look at countries, I'd love to actually do this study, maybe you know better than me. But if I were to look at countries in terms of police expenditure to crime, I would I would guarantee that the Islamic countries, the ones we just talked about, the first world ones are some of the safest countries on earth per capita for the amount of money they spend trying to police crime, whereas in other countries, we're just spending unlimited money trying to stop crime, we can't stop. Women
don't respect many more men don't really want the women besides, for one night stand. No one's having children, no one's having families, no one's satisfied or fulfilled, which is why they want to take drugs and do stupid things and degenerate themselves. And everything spirals into the other, right? Humans need higher purpose. And and this is the thing I'll be completely honest with you, my friend, I was an atheist for a long time. I really was I was an atheist for a long time. And I didn't truly really believe in God until about maybe seven, eight years ago, I thought I was a smart ass and thought I'll you know atheist, bla bla, bla, and then God starts showing Himself to me in
many ways, whichever religion he's from, but then I realized that people need something to believe in all these people who are atheist. They're, they believe in climate change and abortion, law and COVID more than anybody else, they have their beliefs, they have their religions, liberalism, and their religion is a religion of absolute degeneracy. You know, like, look at the things they purport look at how hard they tried to convince the world that it's a good idea that we eat the bugs and climate change and that people change gender and all this other garbage. So everyone needs something higher to believe it. And I think that these
I mean, I correct me if I'm wrong, Islam is not even as old as Christianity, right? It's not even that old is it? Well, it goes a little deeper. If I can just take a second and kind of run it down to you see what we believe is that
You have the first man Adam, and he was told to submit his will, to the crater alone without associates not to worship a stick of stone, a bone or anything creation. So we believe that Islam started with the first man Adam, then that concept of submission to the will of one and only one God, not worshiping your desires, not worshiping a human being. Anything and creation was the same way of life that was preached in teached.
With every messenger that God Almighty sent, and from Abraham, no, Moses, you name it all, many of the biblical prophets, they all call their people to worship one and only one God and to submit their will like the Lord's Prayer, you hear the Lord's Prayer, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. We say this is a slump. So just like at that time, if Abraham was asked, if he ever heard this term human, he was a human, but he never heard the human, that term human. But now if, if he was a human, he was same thing if you there's a verse in the Quran, where God Almighty is saying, Abraham, Abraham, he wasn't a Jew or a Christian,
but he was one who submitted his will to God Almighty, that's what a Muslim is, because people get that's why these defining these terms is so important because you know, you're sitting Muslim you think an Arab in a desert. You think Islam, it's like some religion just it's a new religion that started with Muhammad. No, no, we say it started with the first met Adam, it continued with Moses, Abraham, Jesus, peace be upon them. They all call people to Islam to submit your will to the will of God, and they were all Muslims, they were all ones who submitted their will to one and only one God. You know, it's a simple, it's very simple to understand very, very, you know, and then when you
mentioned, God, that it goes with the innate nature, there's a beautiful verse in the Quran, where it's that 112 chapter it says, quote, who Allah had all along.
Solomon lemmya Lee dollar moon, what a miracle loan Khufu
say he has got the one and only the the unique, the eternal He begets not noisy, begotten, meaning that he's not born of of anyone, nor does he die. He doesn't have children a DNA of zip code and area code No. And there's nothing comparable to him. Nothing, nothing. If you cannot compare anyone or anything to God. This is the pure monotheism This is what distinguishes Islam for every other Islam is the pure monotheism.
So I hope I answered your question. So we say it's not a new religion started with Mohammed, it just the finality, he would just define a messenger and completing it with the living miracle that we have today, which is the Quran because Jesus had his time to prove he was a messenger, he did certain miracles. And but if you were to ask an atheist today, show me those miracles, you couldn't show them, but we believe in them. But today, anyone who tastes a scientific analytical approach they will see from the preservation of the Quran, to the prophecies, you know, too many of the scientific statement there's, you know, the, the literary miracle of the Quran, you know, there's
just too many things that it doesn't add up that this would come from a huge as a human being. So it's not blind faith in Islam, you you use the faculties that God Almighty gave you, you look into the Quran, you look into the life of Prophet Mohammed, and then like myself, and many you're like, This is not possible. This can come from a human being, and then you submit, do you have a lot of Christians who convert or change? Do you have that a lot? Because you can go and watch you know, I got hundreds I've been doing this since early 2000. We got hundreds and hundreds of programs with people. I have a good friend, he's from Romania is Gibreel Romani, Gabriel Romani. He's somebody who
was a Christian, and he accepted Islam, you have tons of tons of tons of stories of people, same thing, who were struggling with, with many of the concept of God that are out there. And then they looked into, they looked into all the different different religions like myself, and they saw that Islam just made the most sense, like you're saying the things that it fix the problems, you know, if society gave solutions, not only how to go to the from the smallest things, from how to go to the bathroom, to how to run your home, and how to run a country, everything is laid out, and it doesn't make sense that this human being could have came up with these things, you know? Yeah, it's true.
It's absolutely, it's absolutely interesting. And that's where the base of my faith comes from my respect for it all. Tell me Tell me this. You said if we remove all the garbage in the fairytales, if men are true to their biology, no man is a one woman man. Well,
I truly actually believe that, I believe if you a lot of I think that, obviously, okay, we're humans, right? We exist as biological animals. And then we exist with the degree of societal programming and I think the femme centric societies of the West have convinced men that we should have one woman and one woman only, and I can get conspiracy theorist on why that is, but I think a lot of it is down to the fact that they are
trying very hard in the western world to suppress the will of man, they want the western male to a degree to be suppressed and not suppressed in a way which empowers him. Because I think there's different degrees of suppression, right, you can be suppressed in a way which will empower you. But you can also be suppressed in a way which will just destroy your will to fight. And I think a lot of that is down to not not down to this, but every single thing they do, every single thing society purports to a degree is not to empower men. And you're more likely to feel powerful as a man if you have three wives, or if you have a lot of female who adore you, right. But if you have one chick,
who doesn't obey you, who you can't divorce without losing the house, who won't even have sex with you, and doesn't want to have your kids and you're stuck with her, it's pretty hard to find warrior spirit. It's hard to act like a king if you don't feel like a king in your own household. And I think that if you were to go to any man in the world, and be honest with him and say, look,
it's perfectly acceptable for you to have this woman she's going to be loyal to you. She's going to love you. She's going to stay with you. She's your wife, and you can also have this one and she's going to be your wife. Same deal. I do not think there's a man alive who would say no to that. I really don't. Why would he? Why would he write I think society tells us we're supposed to only have one but I understand in Islam you can have four i think i but I'm not an expert you are. But um I just think it's natural human nature to enjoy the company more than one female or I think if you're a man of means you could easily have more than one wife. I think that's perfectly normal. And I
think that's been beaten out of the western male as a suppression mechanism. sha Allah God willing, when you do take your your shahada, which is simply a testimony that there's again, that's like in the than when you are listening to it, you're in your car, that simple statement that there's nothing worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger so shall when you take your shahada do you see yourself being someone that would need four wives? Because somebody in your state is that something where now this this if you want to be someone who's devoted to God 100% And now it's in marriage, and now God has given you an avenue? Is this also another proof because I actually
have Christians come to me and say, You know what, Eddie, you know, scratching your head. I had one professor of jujitsu I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Gracie Jiu Jitsu. And friend of mine, he's, we're on the match together. And out of nowhere, he comes to me says, Eddie, you know what, I've been thinking about this. He goes, You know, it makes sense that men can have more one wife, there's more women, you know, and this that and the other is using his logic and just he just, I don't know where it came up with it. But you know what else more than one wife will give you, it'll give you children faster, like dude, like, because because
even the even the most atheistic or the the most Christian men, I know, they might have two or three babies, and it'll take five to six years by the time the woman gets pregnant, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. And they said, I'd love to have more kids, my wife's finished now etc. Look, if you're a man of means, financially, let's say me, for example, I'm financially very well off, I'd love to have 10 children. I can't get that from one woman. Maybe okay, maybe I could write. But you understand the point, right? So there's, there's also a bunch of other benefits to having four wives just just have a nice, big, large family. I mean, why be a man, this is why you're on the planet, right? You're on
the planet, to spread your genes and spread your ideas and to conquer the best you can. It's inside of every single male, we all have that natural instinct inside of us the masculine insect instinct for conquest. That's why we went to war like we did since the dawn of human time, right? You want to have a nice, you want to be old on your rocking chair and look down to all your children who obey you. And you want to be proud with what you've done. And yet, having a bunch of wives makes a whole bunch of sense and makes a bunch of sense like I don't see why they wouldn't Now obviously, the Western female will say that's disgusting, but the Western female will sleep with the guy she met
for 10 minutes and she thinks that's not disgusting. So her entire worldviews absolutely distorted. I don't think there's anything wrong with with with many women sharing a man who has the means to take care of them provide for them, I think that's completely natural. Many people they, you know, they twist this and they think this is like some harem of Muslim with all these women and whatnot, they get this Hollywood image or whatnot. But you know, when people this is a woman's actual, right, you know, a woman to choose the best man out there to go ahead. You know, when there's also you look in today's society where like you're saying, you know, you know, it's hard to also have a strong
family, this is a responsibility. This is not just something where you're just playing with them, you're taking her on, you're caring for her, you know, not every man can do this. It takes a man to do this and many you know, you talk about this also the difference between an Phyllis in what's a beta male, alpha male and woman, you know, the hypergamy women looking for the best men out there, and a lot of them you also talk about men have turned into cowards, you know what I mean? So, it's a role that is it's hard to fulfill, but for someone like you, who now you know, and somebody, let's say, who's used to Who's In Who's in who is used to, let's say, a famous person, a celebrity, a man
of status, and you also give this example like through history
So photons, the the leaders, the concrete, whoever the highest men of society, this was something that they all had multiple wives, you know, they had multiple women. So now to limit the man in the statute to status to just one, but now you have an avenue that God is allowed. What do you say? But this, this is the exact point, right? This is why a lot of the degeneracy that exists amongst western world leadership exists. Like if you look at rich men in the West, right? A rich man in the West, especially a political, someone who works in politics, they're only allowed by society and by the Christian law to have one woman and they have this one woman and they're not satisfied with her.
So what do they end up doing? They end up looking for secrets, they want to do things that nobody's gonna know about. So what are they doing secret? Well, we can go down the rabbit hole of Epstein's Island and X, Y, Zed and all the crazy degenerate disgusting things they do, just to pretend and you know, promote this one woman image, but truthfully, no man is satisfied with that. And when because they're not satisfied. They're out there doing whatever they can in secret. And basically, a lot of it's absolutely degenerate. Whereas if you look at the leader of UAE, he has seven eight wives. But that means he doesn't need to go down any kind of degenerate Avenue because he's satisfied as an
individual, and he's satisfied with his status. Look, as a man, especially if you're a high status male, you want to be satisfied with that status, right? I have worked very, very hard to become a high status male. So I want to drive a car that reflects that. I want to have a relationship or relationships that reflect that. Nobody wants to become the richest man in the world to sit around with one chick who doesn't obey them. Nobody's interested in that. And that's why they go down the path of degeneracy. That's why I think the western world is so degenerate, because they're not allowed to live out their natural male instinct, instinct. They're not allowed to live out their
masculine instinct. Even if you look at let's say, a country, which is still Christian, but is not bound by the same societal rules. If you look at let's say, Russia, right? Every rich man in Russia every cigar, he has a wife, but he has. Sorry, he has 519 year old girlfriends and societies fine. So there's no Epstein's Island. There's no you know, Hunter, Biden's laptop and cracked out prostitutes and all this insanity. And all that just basically comes down to the fact that they've told rich, powerful man men, they're allowed one woman only. And they end up just going down a path of secrecy and degeneracy to try and feel satisfied. And that's another thing that Islam fixes
because you can be a man of stature, or rich, powerful man have four wives that reflect that. And I think four wives are probably about enough for any guy. So you'll, you'll be okay. You're not going to start running around the world doing insane, insane things. That's the limit there for four wise.
So tell me then, just since you mentioned Ukraine, that's another example if all the men go out, because you know, you have this, this whole movement with the feminism. And now the men are the ones who are stepping up going out and getting killed in the war. And now let's say you have an abundance of women doesn't this solves the problem? No. Absolutely. It does. Yeah. And it's, I mean, the whole feminism argument. It's amazing how quickly that disappears when war starts, right. So that that's out the window. But yeah, it does fix the problem. And, and also, it's kind of sad, like, I live in Romania, which is next door to Ukraine. And since the war started, I get I'm getting a lot of
messages from girls who live in Ukraine trying to come visit, come live with me in Romania effectively kind of run away to a degree. And it's kind of sad, like imagine being a man in a trench in the freezing cold to defend the country. And then the most beautiful women of your country are just trying to use Instagram to bounce to some millionaires house like, I don't know, man, the whole dynamic is kind of scary to me. I really, and that's another thing, like, when we talk we go back a point not to not to over it right. But to go back to what we're talking about earlier about how you cannot disrespect the Islamic faith. I understand and respect the people, even all the wars that
happened in the world, it makes so much more sense to me to fight for an idea or a religion or a faith than ever would be to fight for a country. For example, I don't think I don't think there's any country on Earth worth believing in. I do think it's worth believing in God. I don't think it's worth believing in any country, I think is probably the only thing worth fighting for and defending. If I was Ukrainian, I would not be interested in defending Ukraine as a sovereign state because I know too much about politics and corruption and how it all works. And I understand the world too well to go get blown up for no reason. You know, so it's another thing that's interesting. So yeah,
it's it's certainly an interesting world. But when you when you take religion or faith as a whole out of the world, there's very little left, but just degeneracy. Hedden ism, corruption on every level. And then what's your life purpose, right? What are you trying to do? Okay, you're trying to have a bunch of kids, maybe that's probably the most noble thing you could do. But if you're going to do that, without any kind of religious framework to install them without any kind of faith for them to grow up under Then who are they going to become? Are they just going to become people who consume Netflix and new slaves to the
to the New World Order is that what you want? Is that why you want to have children so that they can be raised by a school system which teaches them to hate you? It's like you remove you remove faith and remove religion from from from your life. There's nothing else out here. What do you ever do eat, stop drink Starbucks every day and get rich to buy a new iPad? Like, is that gonna satisfy you? It's kind of crazy to me. And this is coming from someone who was an atheist. And I talk to atheists now. And and I say to them, Why are you alive? What are you living for? And their answers always fail, fail to impress me. Let's leave it at that. Wow. Tell me what's the difference quickly before
I go to my next question. And I got a I got a surprise for you about a guest that just came into town. And he's somebody also who you can learn a lot from you can watch some his video is very well known out there. His name is mnemonic Ali Khan. And you'll see him he just walked into the studio. just coincidence that I got you now. And he's an expert, actually, in the subject of Quran, right that we touched upon a little bit. So he'll I liked him to just come in and ask, ask a question or two. But he's here Next, he just walked in actually, then we just came to the studio. But tell us a different when you talk about talk about for these terms. In my generation, we didn't really hear
much of these terms like beta male alpha male was a different thing of beta and alpha. What is it for the for, you know, someone like my father never heard these terms? How would you define that? But he knows, he'll know, when you talk when you describe it. what that is? Yeah, it's actually quite hard to define, I think it's because it's over. It's can be overused, and it can be largely misunderstood. But I think if I had to try and break it down to the most basic level, I think an alpha male is a man that other men want to be.
And I think a beta male is that as a man, other men are not trying to emulate in any degree, right? There's, if you put 100 men in a room, there's, it's very easy to point to the five or six men every man wishes they was or would like to be more like, and I think that's what an alpha male is. And I think women can detect that, you know, even better than anyone else, because they're instinctually, driven to the tech that so that's what I'd say an alpha male is. And I'd say a beta male is somebody who does not have those qualities. So nobody looks at him and goes, I want to be more like him, or I want to know what he knows, or I want to live like He lives.
You talk about the father should be a superhero, you know, to this children, but he's turned into kind of like, What did you say?
Yeah, I mean, but goes, my father was a superhero, right? I was raised in a way in which I really viewed my father as a superhero. But that was also based on the fact that you did not submit to the will of my mother. Right? If you have a man who's scared of his wife, can he truly be a superhero? In any regard? And that's a question. I don't know. I don't think so. I can't imagine a man who's scared of his wife acting like a superhero. Because women have completely different life goals and instincts to men. This is something that most people forget and don't understand. I have it all the time. I get a chick or whatever. And she says, I wish you didn't work so much. Why are you always
busy? Why are you always working? The fact that I'm always busy and always working, there's a reason you were attracted to me in the first place. But now that you have me, you're going to pretend I shouldn't be doing those things, you're going to try and change me. Now you want me to stop working? Right? That's the only reason we even that's the only reason you're even attracted to me in the first place. It's kind of amazing. And if you allow a female to impose her will on you as a man, no matter what she says about how it's gonna make you better and make her happier, etc. And always leads to the same place which is misery for both parties. You have to be an iron frame, you have to
be resilient to the insidious, because it's insidious, right? They try very, very hard. They're very, very clever, they cook they cook nice meals, they're warm, you know, and they're all like, you know, baby, you don't have to go don't go Jim, stay here with me, etc, etc. And I think that's a very dangerous path to walk down. But I was lucky to live to grow up in a household where my father never ever ever listened to my mother. Not a disrespectful way just in a very much like, Okay, thanks for talking. I've I appreciate your point of view, but not so who he was right? What would you say to him is one proof that he can look at to confirm that Islam is the Quran is not a man made
book. And Islam is not a man made religion is be from the Divine Being an expert in the crowd.
lots can be said, I'd start off by my own journey to share Can you hear a couple of things you hear from Andrew here? Yeah. Okay. Nice talking to you. I think that I what I like to do when I meet with audiences, professors of other faiths and you know, intellectuals, anybody is that I'd like to invite them to explore the Quran.
You know, intellectually, and critically, that's an invitation that the Quran gives. It's interesting that people perceive religion as something that you have to be indoctrinated into. And you have to follow it as the dictates are and you don't have to actually critically ask any questions or think and contemplate and the Quran is kind of unique in the way that it presents its message because it's constantly saying, Don't you then think
Don't you contemplate having to ask questions. This is a book for those who seek to ask to have answers. It's not actually asking you to shut your brain off and accept what it's saying. It's actually asking you to contemplate its message. So it stands really unique in that sense.
My own, you know, since it offered that invitation to me, I didn't come to the Quran first, as someone who believes in it as wanting to figure this thing out, and you know, trying to make sense of it.
And many of the things that I struggled with in philosophy, when I was a student of philosophy, they started getting unraveled, as I was getting deeper and deeper in my study of the Quran, it just started kind of untying a lot of those knots. And it's also remarkable that some of the biggest addictions that people suffer from every one of them is targeted one after the other in the Quran, right, some of the things that plagued humanity more like gambling, for example, alcohol, for example, intoxication, for example, like, each of these things is targeted. And you think it's not just solving a Muslim problem, it's solving a human problem. It's solving a societal problem, it's
solving a global problem by targeting these, each each of these specific things. The other thing that I was that that really fascinated me, ended up writing a book on it ended up getting taught around the world 100 lights even being used in one of the Islamic Studies courses at Harvard now is divine speech. It's a book I dedicated along with my student to why is this book, Why is this book? Why am I believing that it's divine? What's making me think this and I wrote it for a non Muslim audience, actually, it's a little bit academic. But the point of it was, there are there are elements to this book. And the way that it's structured that if you first if you went to the
library, or you got on Amazon and bought yourself a translation of the Quran, you started reading it, you think the subject is kind of going all over the place. But it's it's not staying on the same subject, right? It's saying some profound things, but the organization seems unlike anything I've ever read. And that was one of the things that baffled me at first, like, why is it organized in this way? And so I, one of the areas of my study became the organization of the Quran, why is it organized in this way? Why is God talking in this disarray, and what I discovered was something absolutely breathtaking, that it's, it's got a symmetrical structure, that you'll have a chapter,
for example, that's hundreds of verses, like Bacala is 286 verses, it's an oral tradition. So it wasn't written first, it was recited and pronounced and memorized in that way, amounts to about 50 pages in Arabic, right. But if you study the subject matter, the nine subjects that are occurring in this long 50 Page discourse, are like subject one is directly tied to subject nine, and two to eight, and three to seven, and four to six, and five, right center in the middle. Like, there's an incredible three dimensional structure, to the way the arguments being presented to human beings, we think linear, right, I'm gonna make point A, then I'm gonna make point B, that I'm gonna make point
C, that's how I organize my thoughts. And unless you write something down and say, You know what, I'm going to do this and just for fun, I'm going to do ABC, and then go CBA. Right? Even doing that in six sentences is hard for me, as I'm sitting here talking to you, because my brain isn't wired that way. But this 1000, you know, Millennium and a half old tradition has got multiple suitors and multiple chapters, with this kind of a structure is demonstrated over and over again and other kinds of structures are like this is not possible for a human being to do linguistically. It's not possible I'm suited to linguistics. It's just not possible, these kinds of structures, this kind of
organization, that that's one of the things I wrote about in the book, and I started ended up teaching courses on this stuff.
But for just a just take a step back level, my invitation to anybody is put your pre conceived notions aside, take what you may have heard about Islam, what you may have thought about it from your own faith, traditions point of view, put all of that aside, and I wouldn't even invite somebody to read the Quran to accept a song, read the Quran, neutrally, and get a first, you know, an unbiased impression. And I would think it's really difficult to not walk away truly being moved by what you're what you're being exposed to truly hit by what you're exposed to. The final thing I'll say is there is a huge tragedy in the world today that even most Muslims aren't as aware of the
Quran as they should be. Right? So Muslims don't become a really good representation of the contents of the book, right? So even disconnecting yourself from the Muslim bias, I'm just going to read this for myself, with no other influences as much as possible. At the end of the day human beings can are going to have some bias or the other, but as much as I can consciously be disconnected from bias and give it a shot and read it. I think that that would be my invitation to anybody. Andrew, any question any final question? Anything you'd like to ask him why he's here was what happened?
was because we got delayed with the program. He next guess was coming in. So you, but this is amazing, you can look him up actually online. And you'll see a ton of his videos. I'm going to I'm going to read that book as well, because it was really interesting what you were saying what was really interesting with the show, I'd like to send you a copy as again. And also your invitation is exactly the way I would have done it anyway, I would have read it. I'm going to read it. I've yet to read the Quran, but it's certainly something I'm going to do. I'm going to read it without a preconceived notion without a preconceived idea. And I think that's the best way to do things
because you're right, there's too much bias in the world. But I'm from from what I know, I think we just talked about for the last hour from what I know I have absolute respect for the religion and respect for the faith and I've been very, very blessed to be on the show. So thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very so you're I'm from Chicago from Chicago so this is your hometown Do you visit Chicago at all you plan on visiting anytime? I'll be honest with you not too often I if I do come through all I'll hit you off I am. I'm I'm politically opposed to the USA I try to avoid or you know what, you got your private jet. So when I go to Bosnia, I mean,
you could fly Can you fly into Bosnia? Yeah, I can. Absolutely I can come I can. My kickboxing coaches Bosnian as well. Yeah. What was his name? Amir Subasio Jor. Su Bochy. I don't know how he said. Yeah, I know. Mostly, I know. I know. Most of the top guys over there to kick boxes and everything would be they'd love to see you. But you've never visited Bosnia. Did you ever visit I've yet to visit but I've heard it's an absolutely beautiful place and the Bosnian people are some of the most resilient, dangerous there buzzing people. You don't want to mess with the Bosnians? Would you ever consider taking a trip? How long is the plane ride from Romania to Bosnia? an hour? hour
and a half so far? Yeah. How about if I get your invitation you come down? Is it possible how much advance notice would you need? Let's keep talking about it. Let's do it sometime this summer for sure, bro. Let's do it. Okay, it was it was on a very nice talk with you, brother. Thank you, my friend. All right. Thank you. All right, please. Call us at one 806 62475 to we'll see you next time. Until then, Peace be with you as salaam alaikum. And if you like this episode of the deen show, like this video, share this video far and wide and support us on our Patreon page so we can continue this work. Thank you for tuning in. Peace be with you a Salaam Alaikum