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we're going to talk about his story, his journey and his interaction with a Christian who came to visit the Muslims at a mosque because with the right intentions or wrong intentions will let you be the judge of that. And we got also another special guest here in the de show studio.

Final messengers, Muhammad peace be upon him. This is our religion, Islam. This is the dijo.

Explaining how much respect I have for the faith of Islam show Welcome to the deen show. The Deen show

how are you brothers doing? Please introduce yourself hamdulillah man, I'm gonna let Nadia go first. All right. Yes, I'm gonna go My name is Nadia Tibbets, co founder and president of Islam by touch the only organization in North America dedicated to making Islam accessible and available to the blind community.

And I am Brandon Estes, not a direct relation to Sheikh Yusuf Estes, and many of you might know me as the Muslim cowboy. And so this is, it's an honor to be here, Eddie. I'm really mashallah happy to see you again for the second time. And it's a pleasure to be here in the studio, that of Luffy for having us. Both you with us.

So when I opened up, I said, I'm Muslim cowboy and teach some of the Muslim cowboy people think of John Wayne, and Clint Eastwood and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Yeah. And now we got a Muslim cowboy comers that can cowboys be Muslim. You know, that's actually, I don't want to anyone to steal the idea. But we're gonna be putting some T shirts out soon. Charlotte says cowboys can be Muslim too. Okay. So because I mean, if a cowboy chooses to submit his will to the Creator to heavens on Earth, that's what a Muslim is a Muslim. Is that so simple? Okay. doesn't have to necessarily be from Texas, even though you are from Texas, right. Alabama, Georgia, wherever Montana, apparently.

Yeah. So for people didn't, didn't get to see our first program where we talked about your story to go there. For more details. Can you just give us kind of a summary, a breakdown, due to a song come from a Christian background? For sure. Yes, I was raised at Methodist. And then as time went on, we became nondenominational but I was raised in a very traditional, very loving Christian household, my parents, you know, loved, you know, the church, it was very important in our lives, and we had a lot of community around us. And but as time went on, just like most people who do find Islam and other people who have issues with Christianity, you know, I had a lot of questions, right. And I had a lot

of questions that just were not adequately answered and couldn't be answered. So I started looking for those answers myself, right. And to kind of sum this all back up, it all led up to 2010 where I read through the Bible again, after having some run ins with trouble in my life. We'll just put it like that this time. And I was at a turning point where I had to make some major decisions in my life. And so I was like, Okay, I'm going to take

is my life and all these other ways? Let's look at religion because that was always the most important thing. To me. My relationship with God was very important. I mean, even since I was seven years old, we had woods by our house and back then, when I was young, we could be out from seven in the morning to seven at night. But as long as you're home for dinner, you're fine. Your mom won't worry about you. No cell phones, no nothing. And so I used to go out in the woods, and I would just talk to God and just as a little kid, you know, no instruction, no, nothing. It's just God was someone I just talked to Jesus or God to God the Father. I never talked to Jesus, we would always in

prayer, they teach you you gotta say, in Jesus name we pray, amen. But I was question that why? Why in Jesus name, you know? So, as you know, I don't know if you're familiar with that. Is there anywhere in the Bible that says, to pray in Jesus's name is God or the other prophets tell us to pray in Jesus name? There isn't? Yeah. And so I always thought that was interesting. But you know, not one, one verse in there that says, look to pray in Jesus name. Jesus never said it fine. Or he's right. They explicitly were told, I mean, what is the what's the what does Jesus tell us to pray to? What's the Lord's Prayer? Or Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name? He's praising the one up above,

right? Absolutely. And so that's what I would do. And so, going back forward again, what happened with me is once I read through the Bible, and read through a lot of those ambiguous verses where it says I and the Father of one was okay, one in purpose, you know, the key word ambiguous, this ambiguous statements that are not explicit, right, because you have explicit statements in the Bible, like in Hosea 11, nine, where God says that I will not come against the cities of Ephraim again, right, I will not basically I will not destroy them again, for I am the Lord your God. I am not a man. very explicit. God is saying in this verse and what? Hosea 11 nine so people can look to

so Zia 11 Nine, because a lot of people like to quote numbers 2319, right, where it says, God is not a man that he should live nor the son of a man that he should repent. And they said, Well, Jesus didn't lie, and he didn't have to repent, he never repented. So therefore, it doesn't apply to him. Well, that's still an explicit verse, But okay, you don't like that verse. I'll use one that's even more explicit. God says in Hosea 11, nine, I'm God is not a man, period, that's as clear as it is as good as it gets. I am not a man. And so when I presented those verses with the ambiguous verses of whoever has seen me as seen the Father, well, this could mean a lot of things. It could mean that

you know, okay, you he there, because the messengers, as we know, in Islam, they're sent with the purpose of God, a messenger, that for you live in a kingdom, let's take go the Middle Ages, and a king sends a messenger to you. And this messenger comes with the letter, if you reject that messenger, you're not rejecting the king.

And the King will send his soldiers after you reject the messenger to come forcibly take you, right. And so this, this is what I saw this to me and all of these ambiguous verses, I realized that, okay, they could be taken this way. So I, in 2010, became a Unitarian Christian, not the New Age Unitarians, where everybody's going to heaven type of thing, but an actual I believe that Jesus was a messenger of God, but I'm not going to worship him again. And this was without meeting any Moses was a Unitarian Christian is great. The original Unitarians, like the followers of Arias, some of the old historians back in the day, they don't really exist anymore. There are people who are

Unitarian, there have been some groups here and they've come and they fizzled out. And you'll even find on online groups of people who are trying to revive the idea of Unitarianism meaning that the non deification of Jesus many historian said back where my family's from Bosnia, the the Unitarian, they were Unitarian, almost like Unitarian Christians, before they accepted Islam. So they didn't believe Jesus was God. Literal Son of God. And then when Islam finally came, they ended up just fit it makes it make sense. Yeah, stuff this long. Yeah, my grandmother, although Yeah, haha.

The only one in my family who converted, you know, whenever I went to go tell her about, you know, Islam a couple of years before she passed away the day that she gave her Shahada. I asked her these questions, and she said, brainon I never believed Jesus was God, your grandmother? Yeah. She's like, we always believe in taught that Jesus was sent by God. You know, and it's just like, you know, so many people just fit really right there. inners condition that Allah created them, they understand this, right? They just they, you know, she must have read the verse where he says, I've been said, like,

so.

But, you know, back to my story, just so we can, you know, move on a little bit is that after that for four years, I didn't know what to do with it. I was just like, Okay, I'm a Unitarian Christian. And so, but I would have to still go to church and there's no Unitarian churches. So I have to go to Trinitarian churches. So I watched The Passion of the Christ, done by Mel Gibson, which he is a Trinitarian. But he did the whole movie in Aramaic. He's a Trinitarian very strong Catholic, very strong Catholic. So he, he did the whole movie in Aramaic. And what's the name for God and Aramaic? It's Allah. Right? And after watching the movie, I realized okay, the name that he used in the

entire movie that you know, Aramaic speaking Christians, which this is what language Jesus spoke is in LA, right

Right. And so in church, because I was a Unitarian, I didn't want to say in Jesus's name anymore. So whenever they would raise their hand and say In Jesus name, under my breath, I would say in Allah His name I pray, amen. And I did this for four years. And it wasn't until the pastor one day he had made the statement. We didn't have any Muslims in our community, like I had met a Muslim until after I converted, right? I knew a Palestinian who, who had became a Muslim, but, you know, we weren't really in touch anymore. He did help me get to the mosque, but like, there was just no Muslims around us. And the pastor randomly said, Guys, do not be like the Muslims, I don't want to hear

about a single one of you, putting your head on the ground, he said, we get on our knees and put our hands up like this and pray, we don't humiliate ourselves, like the Muslims and put our, our faces in the dirt. And I was like, This is a weird one. Why are you even talking about Muslims? We don't have any Muslims around us. You know, I wasn't an anti Muslim. At this point. I was just I was neutral. And I was like, this is just really strange. So a couple of weeks later, whenever I, you know, I'm having this really bad day. And, you know, completely sober, but just really sad. I opened up my Bible to, you know, Matthew, where Jesus is, basically before he's about to get allegedly

taken by the Romans. And he says, Oh, don't you know, don't take this cut from he didn't want to go to the cross. Right? If this was His mission, He didn't want to go. He's asking God to not take him to the cross. But what did he do? He fell on his face. And I remembered, right, that, Randy, why did he say this? Two weeks ago. And it's humiliating, I get being humble, you know, we want to, but he's telling us don't do this. And I said, I follow Jesus, and I don't worship him, but he's my role model. And so I had this moment where I'm like, I've got to, I'm gonna do what Jesus did NOT what Randy's telling me to do. And when I did it, I asked for guidance. And, you know, everything just

became clear. Well, this is an important point right there what you were saying that when you start praying to the creator, you never prayed to Jesus, and Jesus Calling upon Allah basically in Aramaic. And because a lot of times people will get stuck on the word Allah of translate it was me Doug, how would you translate the god it's what's awesome about the law, flagella the name of Allah in Arabic? It can't be pluralized Yeah, is one of the only words in Arabic that cannot it can't be made gemak which is polarized. So it's, it's so uniquely one in every essence, how can we do this? I like to stick on this just for a minute because it's so important. It's like a aha moment from some

people would be like, Wow, this is like I didn't think about this because those you've heard the thing that the moon god, I don't know what kind of

ignorant person was still bringing that up. But when you bring these points to light, Jesus didn't speak English. He spoke Aramaic, and he said, Hola. Hola. Hola. He called out? He said, hola. You can look it up. And Jews and Christians who are arabic speaking in the Bible, they use Allah. Correct? Absolutely. So where are you going with that?

A lot of people have followers that don't know any better, unfortunately. And they they play on the ignorance of their own followers, knowing or thinking that their followers aren't going to check back up. But what happens is when they had the followers who actually accidentally you know, think okay, maybe I'll go look something up what happens? They thought, Oh, my pastor lied to me. Or they say something that like Randy said, it's like, you know, kind of strange and then they find out. Well, Jesus did this, you know, so what happens is, they're, they're gonna end up pushing the people away, and which is good, right? Because we want people to see the light to see that this is the same

message since Adam, Abraham, you know, all of the prophets worship the one God the Creator, not the creation. And then what is it Matthew 2639 You mentioned pastors saying don't fall on your face and pray don't do it. Don't humiliate yourself. Okay, say the book the Bible saying that he did fell in his face. Is it 2639 And he went a little further and he fell on his face a little further and fell on his feet and who else falls on the face to pray Muslims Muslims that's it wow, this is deep now that so you're you're and then you went on to study and you went so deep that you are in the study to the heart of Islam to Medina right now the city of Muhammad peace be upon now you're speaking

Arabic language? Yeah. Yeah, I'm attempting I got a lot of I feel like it's a lifelong journey still, you know, for someone to like me from where I come from. I just like someone now who if they're trying to study original language, to really get closer to what Jesus spoke Aramaic, it's like almost like impossible. Like who does that? No, yeah. No original language you don't find people who are going by this is with all due respect. We just bring certain things to light is someone most people I would say 99.9% don't know the group what is it in Greek guy the connect the Carnegie who speaks Carnegie? Very, very few people. So right now someone can go ahead like we'll

get into it as you had this person. Doesn't seem like he had good intentions with the people judge. And if he says so he got some ignored Muslim who doesn't really know much May God forgive him forgive us and if we're, he's, he's talking about the Koran.

Then what not you knowing the air, but you can go back and say no, no, that's an English translate just actually the mean the word means this. Because you can look at the original. That's deep. That's really important too. I mean, even people who aren't going to be scholars, I think it's something that's

imperative for Muslims like, especially if your parents, right, and you raising kids to at least have a basic understanding of like, the key verses at least, and the Arabic meanings so that when people try to twist and take things out of context, you can go to it and say, No, I can read this. And this says actually, this it doesn't, doesn't say what you're saying it says, right. Well, back to this word before we go on now. The so you're you fluent Arabic. Right. Your parents are from where? From? Palestinian Palestinian, right. Yes. Tell us about that. Now, is it true? Yeah. Have you met some Palestinian Christians? Oh, yeah. Yes. What did they use forgot the name. They say

Allah. They say Allah, just like we say a little word Allah was studying christian palestinian Christians. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I actually spent a lot just maybe just a couple of months ago had dinner with the Palestinian Christian. Yeah, well, I met and we actually I was, I was literally asking him questions, you know, like, how does this work?

Because I never, I never interacted before, you know, and hamdulillah even though I was born and raised in the Arab household, right? It took work to really see because, you know, us being Arabs, native Arab speakers, we have our own dialects. Right. Yeah. It's not similar to, to the words of the Quran, you know, to that Arabic of the Quran. So, you know, it took some time when I growing up for me to actually sit there and learn and understand, you know, these ayat, and it's very important, it's very important, especially as as, as Brandon over here said, you know, it's very important to understand the key is at the core of your deen, right, because you will have tricksters

like this, try to come up to you and psych you out.

So then, both of you now you're also I mean, you got so passionate went to Medina, because you see all the misconceptions and stereotypes. So was that what motivated you? You're like, Okay, I want to learn more. So I can be well equipped, I can educate my fellow Americans here on really what Islam is about. And you also taken it yourself to educate, because you're legally legally blind. Yes. Okay. So now you're making material in what's the script called? We use, we use Braille, Braille, Braille, large print, digital format. We try to make Islam available for blind people in any way they can access it. But both of you now so passionate that you're in, you're in your area, you're

also here, former Christian, American cowboy, Texas YHA. Y'all know that and you're in Medina, and you're, you're now back here in America, and you're letting people know that this is indeed a way to live to consider at least consider it to get out and the people are waking up. I mean, Eddie, you know, and I want to thank you first, you know, before you jump before you go chop off any, because people aren't all sorts of stuff. Call your hair blue, red jumper body healthy body parts. Yeah. Yeah. So just stuff. So consider what trice love. You know, the thing is, well, you make a decision that you're going to regret. Yeah. And the thing is, is, you know, they're trying, it's so clear

that there's certain narratives that are being tried, they're trying that they're really trying hard to shove down your throat. So many of these ideas, you know, but we have so there's so many people that live in logic, in common sense. So whenever they see how Islam lines up with that common sense, and that logic Hamdulillah, you know, they're drawn to it. They're drawn to 100. Did your family when you accepted Islam, where they program also like, these are the Sharia people, these are like the enemies, like you see, a lot of I just did a response to one pastor. And he was like, and how would you respond to this? When

the host guy Patrick asked this?

He's a preacher. I don't know if you heard of,

I think it's Charlie Kirk. I've heard a trolley querque You have, yeah. And they're going in a good direction. They're trying to bring Muslims together to go ahead and

unite against all the sexualization of children. And really good move. That's what it was. And when he was asked, Why is there this like, animosity between you know, he gave the impression that Christians they feel like like, we have an animosity towards them, and they have an animosity towards us why? Because they want to bring the radical Muslims or they want to bring Sharia here and whatnot. So we say studios already here is here, you know, charity is here, fat fire prayers here, all that we list everything. And then as far as I mean, we don't have to add Massino but unless you're coming from over here, throwing drones and whatnot, you expect people to be happy about you

know, occupying, right but otherwise, why would you

respond to that? No, that's that's a very good point. I'm really big. And when when responding and talking to people flipping the script and actually not letting them keep us on the backfoot. And you made that point right there when you were saying, Sheree is already here, right? Don't say, oh, but this but that, you know, I think Muslims need to get away from this idea of like, immediately feeling like they have a solid jet or apologizing. Yeah, we need to immediately to be able to, one understand what they're saying, and understand where they're coming from that. But that takes asking questions, and a lot of people just like to respond. So we also need to ask questions, challenge

them right back. Right, and make these kinds of responses of Yeah, sure is already here. And then then explain what what what is sure, yeah, it's being kind to your parents, you know, making sure that you are fulfilling the rights of your neighbors. They're our neighbors, we're living next to them, Am I making sure that they're getting the rights because I'm going to be asked about the rights of my neighbors on the Day of Judgment. So then once you can do that, and do it in a way that captivates them, then you can, then you have their heart because this, this Dean, and the propagation of it, it's a balance Connecting Hearts, it's not about just throwing information and

pamphlets here and that we do the pamphlets because that's part of what we do, because we need to spread this. But the most important thing is to be able to show honor and dignity without being aggressive. And also not being, you know, weak, right? Because a Muslim is someone who stands up, right. But we're still humble, right? We're not arrogant, but we hold ourselves and we have a composure that people when they see us, they know that they're not going to, they're not going to they're going to think twice about beating up our wives or women. And they're going to think twice about harming us. And they will also understand that they're safe from us, their wealth, their

blood, their physicality, they are going to be safe from us.

And when you say Sherea 10 commandments, the what Moses was given, this should yeah, absolutely this Austria, I mean, even I mean, there's people think the 10 commandments are the only commandments Moses was given, he was given over 600 commandments, right and in the Bible itself, but you know, all of these things that what it means to to not do any of these major bad actions, the Sharia is something that is a way to the linguistic point, like she comes from shutter shutter, which is like a path, a road, a truck. And some scholars have said that it's a path that leads you to cold water, so on and so forth. So the Sharia is something that will lead you to goodness, right? It leads you

away from that which is harmful and lead you towards that which will benefit you Divine Law. Exactly. This is and what's better. God's law or man's law, perfect law or imperfect changing law that constantly doesn't make sense. Sometimes one day it's this way another day, it's that way making stuff up as you go. Isn't should he also I mean, it's in the Bible. Absolutely. Moses what he was given all the prophets who came with laws that is surely out they had a different name because they spoke different languages as soon as just the Arabic term for the same thing that the Moses was given with the the original Torah that he was actually getting. Yeah, it's like someone you know,

can be twist and be like, Man, these guys trying to bring Salaam and he, like, all worried about Salam and like, what is Salamis peace? Oh, Salam. And then once you educate them, okay, it's not that bad. It's not what I thought it was just they have this propaganda in their ear constantly. So they associate these words with negative connotations. And that's from the hate the Islamophobia industry, some machine now is a multi billion dollar industry. I mean, it's huge with the networks and everything. I think it was a 300 million. But we added now with all the networks and the TV and everything close to a billion dollar industry, I mean, people people, and plus all the individuals

who are now going on making accounts to profit and get their big business. It's very big base, I mean, even even, even their propagation, you know, subhanAllah, like we're talking about, you know, this accessible material for blind people. You know, let me let me give you a quick statistic, right, there's about eight to 9 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world, right? Not very many, eight to 9 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world, yet they spend over a million dollars a year just on making their material, they're down on material. They're down material accessible for blind people.

Think about that. Like they aren't just attacking, but they're actively

proselytizing. So, you know, we really got to step up our game on in every avenue here. Yeah. And I think if we can just go ahead and present what we have. Now we have to go ahead and we welcome people to come we love when, when the people come to visit us at the masjid, we have open houses, but we had this one individual that you actually responded to and we can go ahead and maybe learn some lessons from this. And I think congregations like this who have people like this who are pushing you know, this false information and this hate and whatnot. I mean

They don't deserve the backing unless he changes his ways from from someone people hopefully see this people who are his congregants and want to be like I don't want to be with this guy who's you know, spreading these kinds of lies and misinformation as Louis so let's get into some of the things that you got you actually responded to. And I think this is the we enjoy if somebody has some questions if they're sincere, and they respectfully ask no problem so we love we love to love the direct questions Yeah. All right let's get right into this. This is a pastor or preacher he's he considers himself basically a missionary like on the ground apologist for Islam for Christianity.

Okay, let's go up also we over here we had a Muslim mosque in Apopka the city wide churches. So that's by his close to his church. Yeah, yeah, it's there in Florida. pact of the grace of God I've learned on apologetics when it comes to Islam. Islam as a false religion, Muhammad was a false prophet. And the Okay, let's go from there. So he mentioned quite a few things here. Islam is false religion, false prophet, and promotes some what else he said promotes war and, you know, that bad things like I don't know if you can I bleeped it out. Because I didn't want you to to, you know, give me any strikes or anything. But yeah, he mentioned these, these things that he says that Islam

promotes, right yeah. So right off the bat. I mean, he's not seem it doesn't seem like he's, he's going in a direction that we can sit and you know, he's assaulting right off the bat is no good intention in his, in his behavior, at least based off of what we have so far. Come, come sit with us talk with us. Absolutely. That's the whole thing that we can sit in dialogue, Tom, but you don't come sit at a man's table or condiments? How's he assaulting a right off? Exactly, yeah, assaulting his mother's father.

So how would you answer that though? Well, maybe someone

is thinking it, but they not is, you know, ignorant as, as you know, some people can be but it would be one thing if he was an atheist, or maybe an ex Muslim, but he's a Christian, who he's a Trinitarian Christian who he believes Jesus is the Father. Jesus says the whole of all of these are all one entity. Right? And so then by that same notion, he recognizes that everything in the Bible is from God according to him, Deuteronomy 20 Right 15 through 18 God commanded Moses to go into the city and kill everything alive that breathes and he's talking about murder and you know rape go to number 16 right where the they're commanded to go into the cities and to kill the infants to kill

the donkeys to I mean war he's he says war mamas all that horrible. You know, his God, Jesus was about war even to the extent to where you're commanded to, to take care of babies. Right as in like, you know, everything alliteration, absolute Obliteration and except for the young girls who are prepubescent, then you save them for yourself, and what do the Jewish professor in the Jewish exegete say of that, you know, we will leave it at that. Right. So, you know, everything that if he wants to say this, as in Islam, which we don't believe that we don't say that Islam is about murder, and you know, it's not about that it's about justice. It's about stopping corruption, and, you know,

preserving life, you know, anything that is registered in Islam, when it comes to these things, when it is altercations, right? There are things we have rules, we have laws, but when he doesn't even look at his own book, where there are things that it's almost like lawlessness, right, and there's a lot of things that you can't do. It's like the pot calling the kettle black, but it's not even that because he's just coming with statements. Exactly. He's not backing it up with anything. You know, I could come in here and say, hey, you know, the sky is orange. You know what I mean? And then walk away. That's pretty much what he's doing. Just throwing up words, putting out claims with nothing to

back it up. Same as things that alone you hear a lot of people repeat, repeat this. Muslims are violent because of Prophet Muhammad, Salah war, peace and blessings be upon him. But I liked his example. Now, if you're a Christian, you look at some of the biblical prophets and you get a great, great example Moses. How many people was a 3000 and Exodus when he came down to worshiping the calf? And then in one shot 3000 were just taken out immediately, right? Absolutely. And I think that's, that's double the amount what is it? When I've interviewed different scholars and students of knowledge and

when they calculate all the people who were on both sides during all the battles over the entire prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad, it was actually just a little over 1000 So it's three times as much three times okay, I mean, people gotta like, remember this. So total number of people from both sides 1000 people Yeah, and that and that's in wars that's not going in and completely obliterating combat. This is combat

This is that this is them protected. This is the Muslims protecting their city of Medina, from infiltration of people, the entire Arabian Peninsula coming against them. These are not people in places of worship and monasteries, non combatants, because not women, not children, there's rules of engagement that Muslims have to abide by whenever in times of battle like that, you know, because you can't go ahead and kill non combat and can't kill non combat animals. You can't, you know, take down the foliage, you can't chop down trees, you can't you know, there's rules. Most most I mean, you you're you hear this often repeated with Muslims. No, this this is basic, but you don't you

don't know this. But he's trained in Apollo.

He studied it straight from the school of ignorance.

And how many people actually died from the sort of Prophet Muhammad I? Was it? I believe, if I'm not mistaken, one, there was one. It was one, it was one by his hand that we authentically know. Yeah. authentically, authentically. No. I mean, that's a great difference when and I always I just make this example from people praising some of the what are some of the people that come to mind is Alexander the Great, and who all some of these people that have known through history, and people have kind of praised them as like, you know, great conquerors and whatnot. Yeah. I mean, even the military generals that they praise of World War One World War Two, yeah. Who have killed many

people. Yeah. Right. Just they just, they just made a movie about Oppenheimer, who made the atomic bomb, praising him. Yeah, you know, showing him in this light, you know, showing kind of showing how many he's a human. He's like a human, you know, look at the human component when they dropped two atomic bombs and hundreds of 1000s of immediately affect that's not the ones that were afterwards. That's how many people died immediately. A lot of hypocrisy. Yeah, very much. What were the context of these battles? For the Prophet Muhammad? Yes. Well, first of all, I mean, they were, they were exiled from their city. They were all of their belongings were stolen from them. They were not

allowed to migrate with their things. I mean, they were robbed and then kicked out. And not only that, three years prior to them getting kicked out. They were starved and boycotted, where they were so hungry that they would eat the leaves of trees. And one of the sahabi said, he said, I remember a time where I was so hungry, I stepped on something squishy in the middle of the night. And to this day, I don't know what it is.

Luck. Well, what about the caravan? They bring this up? They were looting, takings robbing the caravan. How do you like to answer that? Well, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, this caravan, which was the the battle of good and evil that led to the Battle of another, right, it was full of the Muslims belongings, it was all their stuff. It was all their stuff that they were going to take to sell. Because you just said if survived, and they pull it, they get their stuff. They're taking their stuff, if somebody robbed your home, and then you found out the guy that robbed your home and took your stuff back, are you the bad guy? That's the question. Right? Right. So this is

this is why education on our part, knees, you know, getting knowledge, having all the facts is so important. You know, because you can say is that the statement? I like to tell people, if you just say a word, just one word kill, okay. You first your mind thinks you might think of something. We don't know what you think something this person thing. And then I'll say, Joe killed, okay. That also now means something. Okay? That could be a lot of things that could he could be, but most people think he's a bad guy. Then I say Joe killed John. And then okay, you're thinking, okay, Joe killed John Joe is probably a bad guy. But then I say, Joe killed John, who was attempting to armed

Rob, you know, a lady, Joe was a cop, John had already fired shots back, and you get the whole story. Now, the whole thing completely changes. But this is what these missionaries do. They just say the few words, Muhammad killed, he fought, he did war. And they leave it at that. And when you don't have the rest of the context, and also when you don't have the understanding, and the what's called the certainty that he is a prophet of God, which we can prove, right, we have all of the proofs of profit. And you understand that, you know, he was sitting by God, he was one of the greatest people they are suited. Hassanal, right. He is the greatest example for mankind. And you

understand that all of this stuff fits within this context of what was happening, how they were treated, then it makes sense, right? But a lot of people are lazy. And that's why we as dads have to really, you know, we work hard yourself and neither. And all the days are out that we have, we work hard to spread the correct information to tell them the full story. And once people actually hear it, those who are sincere, they're, they're shocked, like I was when I first started finding out this stuff about Islam. And I was like, I was like, kind of like, you know, that righteous anger like how, how could they have hid this from me for so long? I've been lied to right. So now when you

hear this in context, why there were battles, then you go to the beginning, how they're persecuted. They didn't lift the finger driven out. And then they were given permission to fight. And this is a self defense, right? No, absolutely not killing, innocent noncombatant search children or women or people in places of worship, then it's like, okay, this makes sense. Absolutely. Geneva Convention all that stuff before you had these rules of the game.

He's been laid out. Okay, moving along. Hey guys, so we're here on the property. I'm waiting for the for the email, he's gonna come out here and talk to me that's the leader. They tried to get me confused

with just doing like interviews to spread positivity and that Jesus was born of a virgin? Yes, there's one version, but He is not God. So he was but he was born of a virgin. So that So how was he born? And was it was Mohammed born of a virgin, no person like you and I was not one who walked on water. There was no miracles per se that he did other than he received the message. So this is a important point here. You have the Muslim. He's speaking, but he actually is making some very incorrect statements now about the miracles of that. He's pretty much saying that problem, Hamid. So some didn't do any miracles. Yeah. And this is categorically incorrect, totally 100% That when you

just look at that, I mean, we have the miracle, the living myth of the of the Quran. And we don't flaunt and boast about man, there are so many miracles that He did himself that's in the Sierra and the history. Yeah, it's amazing. Over 100 authentically narrated miracles from the prophet, and when we take when you say, break that down, I'm package and when you say authentically narrated that's like there's a chain that connects and then there's like, withdraw that hadith. What does that mean? How many people are witnessing these things? I mean, this these are the when it comes to the science of Hadith, which is the science of the narrations that come from the Prophet peace be upon him

things that he said. And he did. I mean, we have one of the most exact sciences out of any science in the world for authenticating events that happened, right? We have different parts of it, right? That comes down to, you know, you know, in metadata, which is the knowledge of men, right? We have books that are filled with the names of hundreds of 1000s of narrators were they were they trustworthy? Were they reliable? Did they forget things was this person unknown, and you know, all of our sunnah, which is the the life and the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, his tacit approval, it's all been preserved, just like the Quran has been preserved. So we know what

things that are preserved to us, I mean, what things are have reached us are preserved, and it goes through a chain of narration, that this person, you know, learn from this person who learned from this person who learned from the companion of the Prophet Muhammad peace upon who learned from the Prophet. And we know each one of them, we know their biographies. We know if they were honest, if they were truth, trustworthy and truthful. So that way, we can say that beyond any shadow of the doubt that this is something that's authentic. And that's what it means when we talk about authentic hadith. And if there's even one person in the chain, that we have a narration from, who was even

forget, he just prefer was forgetful, then it becomes a little bit weaker. Or if someone was known to be a liar, then we won't even accept it. Or if one person was unknown, they narrated from this guy who inherited from this unknown guy, we don't really know who he was, he wasn't known in his community is automatically rejected, because we are not going to take something from someone who's unknown, right? So the idea of trustworthiness amongst the Arabs, right is something that was so huge in even the the polytheist, who the prom was fighting against. They, they put trust and honesty on such a high level, even though they were fighting against him, and didn't want to accept him. You

know, they knew that he was the most truthful and trustworthy person and it was one of the greatest, no no's in that Arab civilization to be a liar. I mean, they would fight over all kinds of things, but they're not going to fight over people being liars, or this and that there was an example where it was it was Sophia, and when he was in front of the Christian king, correct, and he was asking him about Prophet Muhammad and he said, Look, I would have liked he was like, praising him. How did that go? That story, ya know, so Abba Soufiane, who was after the battle brother, he became the de facto basically, main person of the shura, which is the consultation group of the chief of the price,

right, the people in Mecca. And he met with the emperor of Constantinople, right, the Byzantine Empire. And when he was in front of him, he asked him certain questions about the Prophet Muhammad, who kind of determined if he was the prophet. And in that the whole time, he asked him so many questions. And he, obviously he wanted to, you know, because he's against him, he's fighting against him. He doesn't want this, this emperor who he's trying to seek his audience to help fight against. The problem is he doesn't want him to, you know, start liking him. And he even said, that, like, I would have lied, you know, if I could have, but I knew my companion was right behind me. And he

would have called me out if I had lied. And this is somebody on his side. Like they, they, they had such a high value for honesty, and trustworthiness that, you know, I'm following you. Yeah, we're both they're both Mushrikeen. They're both polytheist. But if this guy sees this guy as a liar, he's not gonna follow him anymore, right? So this is something that we have to understand that our tradition is very preserved, and it's even it's even passed. Like right now we have so many historical narratives that are just accepted point blank, no questions asked, that are nowhere near to the level of scrutiny that we do and when it comes to Heidi, what was the

Emperor's name was

Hercules, reckless, reckless. What did he say at the end? He said after hearing he's he mentioned things like, what was his father King? Or was he was mentioning certain things to see like, what's his motive? Like, why is he claiming he's a prophet? Once he heard all this stuff? He said something, I go, I'll go wash his feet. Yeah, I will go wash his feet. And verily his mission like he'll end up taking over the land that is right here where we are. That's what he said about problem X. After he deciphered through the questions that he asked. He knew that he was a prophet. He accepted it, he accepted that it was a problem. He didn't never, he never became a Muslim. But

because he did shorter, he did consultation with his priest and liters and told him, he told them about this according to the narration that we have. And he said, What do you think about this? And they said, Absolutely, you better not, because he was telling them, I think we should, you know, let's, let's follow this man. And they said, No, they're not going to do this. And he said, okay, yeah, I was just kidding.

I'm not being serious. You might lose position now. Yeah, they overthrown but someone else. And so this is how people this is how a lot tests people, right? And, you know, we see a lot that you know, the people who are in high positions of authority, they don't want to lose that authority. Right. So, yeah, so going back to miracles, there are over you said 100 of them over 100 and authentically narrowed and murky and half on the board are some that come to mind you got the feeding of of almost 1000 1000 soldiers during the Battle of hon duck, which is the trench right where they had one pot of food that they the Prophet Muhammad instructed the wife of Jabir ibn Abdullah bin haram to not

take off the lid, just let me Scoop it and keep it covered until everyone has been fed. And they fed almost 1000 people. And when she after the end of it, she opened it up to see how much food was left, and it was still full. Now these are people that are around witnessing this correct. And you have this chain that goes back like you described that the witnesses we can see who that we know their names, right? What about the water from his fingers gushing forth from the fingertips of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? That's Wow, this is profound. I mean, his cousin, he actually had became blind one day before one of the battles when they went to high bud, right, and like he

couldn't see and it was actually a really serious issue. The Prophet peace be upon him, you know, what his fingers with his mouth, and then he wiped the eyes of Valley and his sight returned. I mean, again, we have the living miracle, the Quran, you have prophecies in it, you have so many different signs in there, the authenticity of the Quran, etc, etc, then now we're most Muslims don't even talk about this. Right? Of course, it's a blending of the moon. Okay, that's splitting splitting of the moon. This is more authentically met people. They hear about other people and some of their some of the history that's narrated, and you said so properly, that we don't week how you

going to verify a lot of this stuff? Absolutely. You had the enemies of Islam who actually narrate we have Muslims with the enemies of Islam at that time, who said they saw the moon coming back, right? Yes. And other people in different continents who came in Cinder. It's also an I talked to Shaco sales amount about this. And we talked about this, and he gave, you know, a really academic approach to it. And it's, Wow, it's amazing. It's amazing. So we got that prophecies, he said false prophecies. doesn't I mean, a false prophecy is a prophecy. So you have three different types of prophecy, a prophecy that has been made, and hasn't come true. So it doesn't mean it's necessarily a

false prophecy or true prophecy. It just hasn't come true yet. Then you have a true prophecy, a prophecy that was made and came true. And then you have a false prophecy, a prophecy that was made, and that the time period that it was given or something that happened has passed the events for it's happening as past and therefore you can say it is now a false prophecy.

And so there is no false prophecies in Islam. There are prophecies that haven't happened yet, like the sun rising from the rest. Okay, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it but there are plenty that have happened. For example, I name a few and you can take it away from here. The building during the desert in the province of Psalms predicting this is a prophecy prediction that now the Arabs Bedouins barefoot, they're going to be competing for the tallest buildings and the competing in the construction of the tallest buildings and where are the tallest buildings now all in the Middle East? autumnal how was that a coincidence or what? They would say that.

Okay, when the Prophet saw someone, they sent the bounty hunter after him and I think it was his lockup and Malik, yes. So he's with Abu Bakr Siddiq, right. Yeah, it is amazing. The Bounty Hunters coming after him and what happens? You keep sinking in the sand horse's feet keep sinking in the sand. And then what, four times and he every time he kept saying, you know, I'm going to stop, you know, I'm going to stop because he's noticing something's weird happening. And he's pretty close so they can hear him and he can hear them. And then after his horse gets out of the stand, he thinks again about the 100 Camel reward and then he chases them again and happens that was the bounty Yes,

that was the balance. 100 camels if you catch him, and by the way, like one camel, equip these camels that they would have given her equivalent to like a really nice Mercedes. That's one camel. So think about 100 Mercedes, I mean, you're gonna

To be you're gonna be really wretched. Yeah, loaded he chillin, right. And the fourth time after, after it happened. You know, he, he knew something was different. And so he asked the Prophet for peace, he asked him for peace. He said, Look, I know that, you know, like, I'm not going to come after anymore. But once you're, you know, if you become victorious, I want peace. And I don't want I want a peace treaty agreement from you that your followers are not going to come after me, right? Because he went, you know, he was gonna go on his way. And the Prophet didn't just give him this peace and blessings be upon him. He's, he's on the Hijra. And I'm getting goosebumps right now. But

he's he's making migration secretly running away from the people who are trying to assassinate him, right in the middle of the night. Him and his best friend, Abu Bakr, Allah be pleased with him.

He could have just said, Yeah, we give you a peace treaty. But he went a step further. And just said, Let me tell you something else. He said, you know, Castro's right Kisara, who was the emperor of one of the two world superpowers at the time, he said, You're gonna wear his bracelets? Nobody, not even the family of Kisara will wear his bracelet, it is the sign of the Emperor. So think about this. They are two men in the middle of the desert, running for their lives, right? Because this, all of the Quraysh are coming after them. And he doesn't just say, okay, you know, we're gonna give you a piece once if we become strong, and later, he actually tells him No, I'm telling you that one

day, you Soraka who is a pagan at this time, right? You're going to wear the bracelets of Kisara.

And what did we find during the lifetime of Omotola? One, once they had defeated the Muslims, this small group of believers had liberated right because that's what it was. It was a liberation of the oppressive regime of the Persians, once they liberated the people from that oppressive regime. And Kisoro had fallen and they had all of their family infighting and fell in on themselves. What happened? So Robin Mata can become a Muslim and he was in the masjid and Omar had the two bracelets of Kisara and he put them on his wrist

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imagine some hot a lot that is deep, does deep and this is this is a prophecy fulfilled. It's like saying, you're going to whatever example we can give it's like let's say you're going to conquer Russia and you're going to be wearing the this

embroidered Rolex from Putin.

People would someone heard that you think you're going to

the White House and where if Trump was in office, his orange wig, just an example. Get so you're covering the water

you're gonna conquer. So just as just so people can kind of get a better idea. Not making fun of anybody, but just so you can kind of it can hit home, you're gonna conquer Persian, you're going to wear these special bracelets that the Emperor at that time, where what is it called? The kiss? The

ruler? Yeah. The ruler. These are what he's wearing these Yes. Yeah. They're like God kings their level. This is deep. Okay, a couple more.

The Persian and the Romans. Persians. The Romans were defeated. Right? So it's a room. Yeah, it's in the Quran. It's a prophecy, right? And then a law God Almighty saying in the Quran that they're going to come back and they're going to be victorious through their Icynene in a period between three to nine years, they will be defeated. Okay, well, can you give an example? This is like a country that's been, you know, a superpower that just went under? And now the prediction is, they're going to come back? Yeah, they would not even just that, but think about their entire economy had collapsed. Yeah. Right. They historian say that they're, they were so completely ruined. Right?

That, you know, people were, there was starvation, there was all kinds of problems that were happening within their society, in it, you know, non Muslim, non religious historians say that it was a quote unquote, miracle that they ever that they came back, right, because what happened was, they ended up being victorious. Yes. Right. And it was exactly within that time period that the Prophet Muhammad had given, right. But what was happening was, is that he said he'd been a Sunni in between two and nine years and so the time kept coming closer and closer to the end of it and so the polytheists were like oh, you know this prophecy that you know your your Prophet Muhammad peace and

blessings be upon him. They said he made this prophecy. Oh, looks like the time periods almost up, you know, you're gonna like it hasn't happened. I was said something also really interesting in those same set of verses he said on that day, the believers will rejoice. And so, you know, some people say they're gonna rejoice for the Romans winning because but you know, either way, these are both, you know, non Muslim armies fighting, but the day that the news came in, and that time period when this they got the news was after the battle, buddy. So the believers were rejoicing because they had defeated three

100 versus a group of 1000, more armed, more heavy on men. And then also on that top of that defeat, the news comes from a carrier saying the Romans have won. So not only did the Muslims defeat them in the Battle of butter, where they had all their belongings stolen, and they got their belongings back, but they also got the fulfillment of the prophecy, where the prophet said that the Roman double, you will be victorious. Right? It's actually a triple because there's one more thing, because if we go back through the actual verses, it says when they were first defeated, right, which was in the Battle of Antioch.

And the the battle happened in the Dead Sea Basin, okay, which is a basin right there next to the Dead Sea, and the Dead Sea area up in Sham, the Palestine area. And it says, they were defeated in the lowest land,

fee edit out right at the neck. And it can mean two things. It can in Arabic, it means the nearest or the lowest. So it also is the nearest because it's the nearest to the Arabian Peninsula, right out of all the places that was the nearest land outside of that area. It also means editing as is on top of deals for lowest because this world we call it called the dunya. Right? Dunya means low, right? Lowly. Adonai means lowest like it means like lowest like when you we say in English, big, bigger, biggest, small, smaller, smallest, it's the lowest lowest. So the triple, you know, miracle in this is that there was no such thing as sub sea level calculations, and that no one knew this

kind of stuff back then. But within this last century, we found out, you know, how to measure elevations and all this stuff. And the exact spot where the battle took place, where the Romans lost the first battle when they first lost in that Dead Sea Basin is the lowest level on Earth subsea level wise. So all this came true. And all of this came through this amazing Subhanallah miracle after miracle after miracle, but miracles that he performed.

I can't verbatim say that He healed people. He did heal people, like, find and he did. And the only difference in what we believe Jesus in Christianity is, is that he's not God. We don't believe that. Otherwise, he was a prophet. He came with a message. He's the only prophet that did miracles like that. Right? All the prophets. Yes. So we clear that up. This is totally false. We just went over some of the miracles and for any Muslim tomorrow, what would you advise the Muslim who's going to go ahead and try to fulfill this obligation of sharing answering questions Dawa? If you don't know, get the knowledge. If you don't know, don't if you don't know, say, I don't know. Yeah, at least start

with that. Because saying, I don't know, in Islam, we believe it's half of knowledge to say, I don't know, right. Even the great Imam Malik, who was one of the four great scholars right of the early traditions, right of our jurisprudence. He was asked many times, people would come from all over the world to come ask him and he's people saw him as you know, very, very big, one of the greatest shoe right, the greatest scholars, and they would come ask 30 questions, more than half of the questions he would say, I don't know. And they will get upset. And they would go back and they say, What did Imam Muhammad say? Even Imam Malik say they will say Imam Malik said, I don't know. And he will tell

them tell them. Imam Malik doesn't know. Right? And so we have to also understand our place. We don't need to feel like we just have to reply to everything. If we truly don't know something we don't answer because we are responsible for the information that we convey. So yes, these Christians, they will come and they have bad information and they have a lot of them. Some have bad intentions. Some have good intentions. But for the ones who do have good intentions, we can't have wrong information to tell them because we don't want to be responsible for misguiding them even further and making them not want to come to Islam. Absolutely.

Did Jesus ascend to heaven that because I read that is not in Islam, they believe Jesus ascended to heaven, in the flesh in his body. The soul wants the body stays here the body. Let's go over that one. So we do believe in the ascension that Jesus will. He ascended he'll come back, but now is between the body and the soul. And he said just just a soul but the body state. Yeah. Yeah. Which is not a position that any of the Sahaba had or Qadiani has now they believe Jesus was buried somewhere and yeah, yeah, he's, I mean, this is from what I asked afterwards. This is a hello Santa mask, right? But this is just a man who I don't I don't I think he was just unprepared. He doesn't know

stuff. Maybe he heard wrong things. This is right. Yeah, he attacked the unprepared they go after those that, you know, that seemingly don't know much like more than just the basic basic basics, and they capitalize on it. So what's the proper response? Those are proper responses. I mean, is that you know, Jesus peace be upon him. He was raised body and soul. And also besides that map out a little masala boo will akin should be held on right he was not killed, he was not crucified. It was made to appear so and then in Surah Nisa, when a lot of talks about it, he said we have raised him to ourselves, right and all of this got

wasn't unanimous that when he was raised, it was right raised completely whole body Halsall because when he returns, He will return body and soul not he won't be his soul comes down into like a body that's sitting here or into a baby's body or something like that, right that the Islamic belief is that Jesus will return as he was lifted up in the same age in Damascus, where you know, where the you know, the leader of the Muslims will be at that time, and they will go and go and take on the Antichrist and clear that up. Yeah, like I saw one time in this church, the lady got, like, literally got up out of a wheelchair. And I was like, What the heck? Do you think that stuff is

real? Oh, I knew

you cannot prove to me again. You cannot show me anywhere I can't where we took the Bible. You created the Quran. So you're saying that he just that Muhammad just knew the Bible.

He took, how do you like to answer that you often hear people repeat this. Also, it's another thing that the Quran was copied from the Bible. They say it was coming from the Torah to a lot. They use that a lot. And it's it has no standings, and it just because there's prophets that their share names in both books, they automatically assume that it's been copied, you know, but we know for a fact that also last Salam was illiterate. You know, we know that we, then this is this is accepted by consensus. This isn't just Muslims saying this, this is an all around consensus. So if he was illiterate if he couldn't read or write, how was he copying this? From a Bible, which they didn't

even have an Arabic at that time, around that time? There was one professor who said, and this is someone who is a professor in university, he was talking to a Muslim and he said, Oh, yeah, I know, probably Mohammed, he admitted, yeah, he was illiterate. So he admitted this, but he said his cousin, one of his cousins, his cousin, Watarrka, an alpha? Yes, he was the smart one. And he taught him now. He taught them all this stuff. And there's a problem still with that.

And this is just a this is a logical proof. If somebody was to copy something, right, if if the claim is copied from the Bible,

why did it not copy? Everything? The same way? The mistakes? Why didn't that copy that? Yeah, exactly. The mistake. So some copy people have a picture in their mind, check it out. You're with your colleague and friend, you sit next to another browser, and you're over here looking at his stuff. He's taking a test, and I'm gonna copy his test. I'm gonna do his same answers. You get to see, he gets to see Yeah, he gets to see you get to see, but I get an A, but you get an A. How's that work? Well, and that's the thing is this is this is why that argument when it's fully examined, it falls on his face. And I mean, fully examined, not just repeating things that you hear and leave

it at that just you can feel like you want some debate or Well, that's that's the trick, right? If you say something, it was if you say something enough.

Peter ly enough, he can believe it. Exactly. Yes, yes. And that's why the people who push this stuff ever I mean, ever since 911, right? When you heard the speeches, whenever any of the President or anyone else would give these speeches from these think tanks and all this other stuff? They would they would estimate the average time the word terrorism, or, you know, I don't know what

other bad words that you can't use, they will average say these words 70 times per speech. So you have said so many times, in the subconscious of the people listening, they're going to start making what's called Association. Yeah, right. It's not like subliminal messaging like magic and stuff, but it's no it's repetition within the human mind, becomes That's why they say practice makes perfect. Well, practice actually doesn't make perfect practice makes permanent. So when something is done enough times you have you get with muscle memory, or muscle, like our brain is also very similar to that and that that's how we memorize Quran, repeat the verses over and over again until it's

memorize. And so when people repeat the same incorrect facts, incorrect things about Islam and about whatever it becomes so second nature to them, that they've convinced themselves or that convinced their followers that it's true. Yeah. Let's take a look at that. What could be NOFA? What would you call it? He was like, would you say the Christian scholar? Yeah, I mean, they we consider him a, you know, a monotheistic Christian scholar, someone who had deep insight into the life of Jesus. So he believed in Prophet Muhammad, so So I believe that him right, but then he's passed away shortly after, right after the Prophet got the first revelation from Jabril he died within those scenarios

that are right there. Exactly. So how is it because revelation is coming during battles, it's coming during you know, incidents are happening revelation, but he's 23 years after that 23 years later, and he's passed away in the beginning. So when you look at it again, another thing another accusation falls on its face, right? And there's also information that is given that not just doesn't just doesn't get the mistakes, but it says information that nowhere else in the world it's even found.

Write this in the grant that the Bible doesn't talk about. And the grant talks about it, we didn't find out about it till the last 100 years. I always look at the overall. If you look at the overall context, if you look at his life, if you look at his mission, if you look at it, like a detective would, if you put it put things to the test, look at his message and was motive. What was his motive at the end? You know, you see him what, what is he gaining from this persecution, torture? What's he getting money? What is he getting? What's the whole goal behind it, the goal is to convey the message. Let's say, he said, Put the morning in my right the son of my left, I'm not going to give

it up, give me they want him to give him to all the women. They want to give him status. They bribed them with all of the luxuries of this world. So we've never had a king type of figure like the Romans the Persians DO the will make you the key figure among us. Just stop calling to what you're calling to me. Politicians 99.9% sell out. Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. And when that when the when the what did he call it new term people use when the matrix comes?

Whatever. So when he gets tempted, and now that's it, it's done. They offer him all this stuff and threaten him even? Yep. He just kept going. And the thing is, is with with this guy, right? Remember, he's an expert in apologetics. Right? When it comes to Islam expert, he's an expert. What they do is they never hold themselves to the same scrutiny that they hold Islam to. Yeah, right. They never like date. They will never, ever hold their the Bible, like this guy is like, Oh, well, you know, this was copied off of this. And then we can we can prove it, that it's not. But then whenever we try to put their own scrutiny, their own tactics that they try to use against Islam on

them, they will never go for it. And not to disrespect any of our Christian friends and neighbors just bringing these things out for educational purposes. Absolutely, especially to this individual here. If you look at if you really want to be technical, you being a former Christian, if you look at you, we talked about the chain of narrations authenticity of Islam, if you put the scrutiny towards the Bible, many Christians don't know that these are anonymous books, the majority like the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, we don't know is that true? Can Bible scholar tell us so we're just telling you this is what the academics who went to seminary school study textual

criticism, they're telling us now these academics, not the layman, per se, this is mysterious. Q What is it? Yeah, well, the Q That's something that's a mixture between, you know, Mark and Luke, but, you know, no, I mean, even amongst conservative Christian scholars today, it's now becoming a consensus, right, which is, we're a main body of scholars. And these are not all atheists because those like they don't like it when they say Bart Ehrman. Okay, well not use Bart Ehrman will use other Christian scholars, it has now become a consensus amongst the majority of Christian scholars that the four Gospels are completely anonymous. Were not eyewitnesses for people hearing this for

the first time. It's like, how much simpler Can you make it? It's like you're reading a book and then you look for the author, and you don't know who the author is.

That's it. That's as simple as you can get. You don't know who wrote it, you don't know where it comes from? You don't know if they're what they're saying is actually true. Did they really witness these things? So we're actually debating things and we're entertaining many of these verses, you know, and we can still prove the monotheism, we can still prove more than people can prove Trinity. And we can still prove there's still remnants of the truth there we respect and we don't disrespect, but we don't know who the books are. You can't if you want to call someone to the court of law and bring this witness you can you bring that witness would not be accepted in any court in any society

in the world, because this person has, you know, they've you know, there's things that have been added, things had been subtracted. So any person who is added or subtracted to their testimony before they are not as a reliable witness, they will not be brought on the stand or someone who's completely unknown. You can't bring someone as an expert witness on a certain matter who has no requisite knowledge in that thing, right. What do you what do identity what do you think starting off a conversation with someone like this, who wants to go into because sometimes we'll get into maybe into Bible verses and that but making this as a framework of foundation, so they know that you

know that, hey, we can entertain it, entertain it, but the end of the day, we're going off evidence is actually not even immiscible in court of law. So and that's one thing that I've Hamdulillah I learned in my data that I've been doing last few years, and I really liked and I want to say because I've learned and benefit a lot from Brother John Fontaine is you'll save a lot of time by starting on this by starting with showing look let's let's first let you understand that what your whole premise is based upon is shaky because the Christians say this term all the time build your house on solid ground not on shifting sand. Yeah, okay. So your house, your eternity that you're building

your faith on, okay? Because we respect you. We want you to come to paradise with us. We don't want you to we don't want people to go to hellfire. We want to be happy and to be pleased by our Lord. But brother if you see someone with the house that their foundation

was done bad? Are you just gonna let them live in that house? No, we have to tell you about the foundation. First, let's not talk about the roof. And the other walls. Let's talk about the foundation. Your book is not you're basing all your beliefs on things that most likely were not ever said, by these people, these events most likely did not happen the way that they said they were right. And even still, as you mentioned, if we do start entertaining it, it still weighs heavier on money off the Zoom monotheism than it does on Trinitarianism. Even they have the Red Letter Bible now to explain that so they said the red letters is what's said by Jesus, Jesus, well, who the rest?

Who all the rest? That's the question Who are the rest? Yeah. Have you heard of the Jesus Seminar? I have not Jesus Seminar, if I remember correctly, it was a seminar that brought most of the modern day academics and whatnot, and they wanted to see how many actually are the words of Jesus and I think it was a very, very, like they say, small percent from all the gospel. Well,

I was doing food when I was in Haiti, and I was studying Islam and I was studying chakra balancing and crystals and all these things evil as I had an encounter with Jesus Christ, a supernatural encounter, he came down and fill me with a spirit. I got demons cast it out. And no, you don't know. Neither one of us knew. This is important point here. How do you know?

How do you know this is one of the things he straight up admits that he's dealing with voodoo black magic and black magic. And then he said, he said I was dealing in evil eyes. Yeah, what is dealing and evil? I don't know, self buying and selling evil. But but but you know, he said that he's dealing with with with voodoo and magic. And then he says he has his encounter with Jesus. How do you know that? That's not a jinn plane with you? Yeah. You know, you're literally admitting that you're dealing with these things that you shouldn't not be anywhere near. Yeah, so of course, they're gonna come and manipulate you. You hear a lot. You hear a lot of this people's I see Jesus

in a dream. You know, this came to me voices. We don't judge our salvation or hereafter on Daydream on a dream.

I mean, even myself, as I told them my story, I mean, I had a dream right afterwards. But what did I do after that? I went, Okay, if this is true, if I do have to follow the Prophet Muhammad for the rest of my life, there's gonna be evidence for it. So I got a Koran. And I started reading it.

And I couldn't stop crying for weeks, every time I opened it up, because it resonates it makes sense. worship the Creator, not the creation. Yeah, that's the thing of the dream can be a good dream. It could be from the devil. It can be ramblings, from your mind. It could be anything but yeah, it could be anything. But if that dream now kicks it off, where you go start to investigate you look at you know, that this is approved, but just to base it off that. Yeah, you can't Yeah, and that's what a lot of people do. And I meet people all the time in my data where they they all say we saw this dream, we saw Jesus. And I'll even tell them like all still man their arguments. So you

know what, you actually might have seen a man, okay, I'm not gonna say you didn't even see this dream. I'm not gonna say you're a liar. You might have even seen Jesus. But I said, What did he tell you in the dream? I like to ask, okay. And they'll say, Oh, well, he he was just standing there smiling. And so I'll say, Okay, so did he tell you that He was God? No. Did he say worship me? No. So this dream, you were a Hindu. And you saw Jesus in a dream, and you became a Christian starting to worship him? And he didn't tell you to worship him. He could have been showing you, Hey, it's me. I'm a prophet. Why didn't you start saying, Oh, I'm gonna become a Muslim, because he's a prophet of

Islam. You see what a lot of people do, when they see these things, they might actually have dreams. But they make assumptions. They do their own, what we call Tet, we write, they take something that's ambiguous, and then they'll make an interpretation on it. And then they'll make all these kinds of decisions based on their own interpretation. When you know that it could mean something completely different. Right? And that's why, if you if anyone does have dreams, Muslims have dreams, whatever you you know, you bring it to a scholar, bring it to someone else, ask what this thing could mean. And at the end of the day, don't base your salvation on something like this that is interpretive.

You always go back to the evidence, right? Go back to there is a criteria by which we can know if something's from God, right? It has to claim it's from God, it has to not have any mistakes, and it can't have anything added or subtracted to it. And it also has to have, you know, things that are miraculous in nature, right, that you would know this from God. The Bible does not once claim that this book is for me, the Quran does. Well in quantum theory, even if you have any doubt that this is from other than God, then try to produce one chapter like it. And if you cannot, and you will not then fear the Fire whose fields men and stones and the Quran is completely preserved. Nothing has

been added or subtracted to it after it was finalized at the end of the life of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Wow. We've covered a lot and we're almost out of time here. So just wrapping up. He talks about the healing that's done people come into different places as you've seen wheelchairs and whatnot. And you give a good example that you had actually someone from your family from my family, one of my uncle's Yeah, he has a daughter with cerebral palsy. And he many times him and his wife had tried to take her to these. These heal

Think centers and she was really sick. And he said they would never see her. Because they could not heal her. Right? Because it was a real condition. They and a lot of is staged that stage a lot of Yeah. And then that's what he said. He said I was back there in the backroom. And he said, This is why he started he left Christianity become a, like a Jewish Christian makes like Jews for Jesus, because he's like, these Christians are all faking it. Right? That actually turned him away from Christianity. And you know, said deception that go right. People use that, Paul to justify that and Exactly, and that's wrong. I mean, it's very wrong. It's clear, you cannot deceive. We cannot do

that in Islam. No, no, then it's with what's there. Let's clear what's true. We don't sugarcoat it. We don't can't decode it, it is what it is. Okay.

Anything else that you

we missed all the things important that might benefit some people a misconception that he brought up? And what message would you have? For others like this? Who now who come with this, it seems it's obvious, I mean, you let you guys be the judge came with some malicious intent. Yeah, but didn't really want to learn, he says he already is trained, it's obviously spreading lies and dividing people. So we have to clear things up and out there. So you are going to get what you give. If someone's going to come with a certain attitude, then, and they don't want guidance, they don't want to really seek the truth, then they're not going to find it right. And so I'm all the people out

there who were like me, whenever I was seeking the truth, the biggest advice I can give is to keep an open mind and an open heart and to stay sincere. And also to recognize and this is why, you know, when my supervisor, you know, the Dawa organization that I worked for pushed me to start the Muslim cowboy, is I want people to recognize that Islam is not something that's strange, right? It's not some Eastern religion, some brown religion, some Arab, or whatever kind of religion, that's otherwise. And that's what's been done so much. It's been other rised, you don't see white converts portrayed in these movies that portray Islam that they always have to portray them as this kind of

look, because it has to be so otherwise. So dis distinct and different to where people subconsciously think I can never be a Muslim, because I'm not like them. When in reality, so many of these people that are where I'm from in the United States and other countries, right, South America, even in Europe, so many people are actually so much closer to Islam, or there may they might even be Muslim, because they only believe there's only one God, and they want to do what God wants them to do. Right. And that's what Islam is to submit your will to the Creator, and to obey him in what He tells you to which is to follow the prophets. And that includes the final prophet Muhammad. Right.

And so I want people to recognize that Islam is, it's, you know, the Prophet said, Islam is strange, right? And it you know, meaning that it goes against the status quo, it goes against, you know, people's desires, and, you know, corruption and all this kind of stuff. But in reality, though, when it comes to the individual and accepting it's for everybody, it's not something that's for a specific group of people. We're not close a law has made it our Creator has made it to where every single person, whether you're, you're Palestinian, or you're Hispanic, or you're, you know, American Texan, you know, cowboy, and Eskimo anywhere in the world, disabled, able bodied, yeah, matter,

right, blind, deaf, mute, Islam is for every single person so that we can be saved on the day, that is 50,000 years long, the day that is going to be so hard on those people who rejected the gifts and the signs that their Lord sent him. And so I just asked people to look, if you have preachers or people who around you who are saying all these things about Islam, okay, you know, I can't tell them not to say that they have the freedom here in this country to say it, but I want you as a person to sit down and sincerely say to yourself, Is this really true? Do Muslims actually believe this? And if you want a free copy of the crime, go to my website, you know, the Muslim cowboy.com I give away

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