Munir Ahmed – Session 51 Retribution & Apostasy

Munir Ahmed
AI: Summary © The speakers discuss the use of deeds in the Hadith and the importance of reciting statement about a "brder" in the upcoming weekend. They also touch on the use of "verbal" in Islam and the importance of forgiveness in the situation. The conversation also touches on deadly drugs and the history of deadly accidents, including the attack on drinking alcohol and the loss of someone's wealth. The speakers also mention the use of deadly images in warfare and the history of the Hadith.
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Okay, I'll humbly like it I'll Bill Alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala Ashrafi MBI well, most Salli wa ala alihi wa sahbihi in my bad

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Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah you're left with when that's Allah Allah and yet a couple minutes while you're filling us Luba now we've crafted an essay necessarily who behave and nothing what is Converse it who alakina Tubbercurry were illegal. Merci. Well, I follow Willa quarter illa Billahi la li la vie. Praise be to Allah Lord of the Worlds, please some peace and blessings on his prophet muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam after being slammed your brothers and sisters, we asked Allah to accept from us our efforts to forgive us to guide us have mercy upon us. And we ask Allah for useful understanding and knowledge that which is beneficial to us and why it's sustenance. on him,

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we are utterly Reliant and dependent and to Him is our goal. There is no power Mike except that ALLAH

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will have to do this in two sections. I think when it gets to quarter two Zafir Would you let me know?

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Because we'll have a pause for 10 minutes then for people to

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do a slightly Maghrib I will recommend stuff to that for another half an hour. Inshallah, if people are aware that

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on golf course we know the type of Maghrib

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recommended as soon as possible that type of motive doesn't finish immediately the type of man that carries on till it's lovely short time. But anyway, what we'll do is we will pause for 10 minutes in Sharla and carry on after the pause. Okay, before I go back to the Hadith.

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I think one of the sisters asked the question from this group. Zephyr is correct me if I'm wrong about further clarification about

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the night of Shabbat the day that follows the 15th of Shaban, is that right? Yes, that's correct.

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Is the sister on that? I joined us? Yes. Yes, I'm online. Lake Como Salam Rahmatullah. Okay. So I hope I'm not going to repeat my Juma football. I hope when we're talking about this with Shaban

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that people have listened to that if they haven't, I refer you to that to get more details. Suffice it to say In summary, that there is one only one good Hadith hasn't had these Hudson means it's okay. Not absolute Sahai. So if somebody wants to say well, I don't believe there's any

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anything any favilla Virtue on the night of Shabbat you don't call them coffee and then all sorts of things because right because it's not absolute anywhere and many Allah ma even made that hadith week as well. But the most authentic I believe from the same point of view is that hadith is Hussam. So that in other words, it has some weight, and that is to do that with the deeds are taken up which indicates deeds of the year most likely, but deeds are taken up to Allah subhanaw taala on the 15th Night of Shaban, and Allah forgives all his creation, except the Maastricht And Moshe him Machina, those who

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maybe two people are people who've got real rancor and hatred in their hearts. So that's what that hadith mentions. So deeds been taken up. I mentioned the idea, give something significant to the night there is nothing else authentic about the nature of chatburn with deeds been taken up similar in menston for Mondays and Thursdays are prophesized Adam Sandler might be taken up i i

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I love that I'm in a state of fasting Yeah, these are presented toradol

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to to the Lord of the worlds so from that indication, we can have the idea that it's it's fine to be in a bad okay, we have nothing from the prophesy Islam that he actually singled down the night of 15th of Shaban to gather in the mosque or give any specific dua to be done on it or, or single they are specifically but indirectly if the hadith is good, and even if it isn't, I see every night we can pray tahajjud anyway, so

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But it's fine from that point of view but to exaggerate and expanding and making to something based on other very weak or fabricated Hadith. Yeah, all the rest of the Hadith to do with this was shot been a very weak or fabricated, whether it's to do with Allah coming down and in that night of chatbot whether it's the province or some going to the graveyard buggy and telling Omote mini nice about Allah forgives as much sense as the hairs on the back of the goats and sheep of bunny kelp. All that very weak. Yeah, the one saying that one who prays the night of the Shabbat and faster next day will have their sins forgiven, etc, etc. These are fabricated or very real. This one last one I

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mentioned is fabricated.

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So there is nothing else about it all right now. Yeah.

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I think as well the sister sent something to me from a website about our pious predecessors this witch prize please predecessors when Allah talk about self asylum, they normally mean the Sahaba and Tabby in Okay, we have no evidence in the slightest from any Sahaba that they did anything significant on this night. Okay.

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And from Tabby, we have something that similar moments and even Roger mentioned, for example, but the tabby in from our sham in Sham started this. venerating the 15th night of chatburn There must have had access to this particular Hadith that I mentioned. But we have nothing else. Okay. So that's the first thing about those comments. People write all sorts and then to specify a particular format for the night is a bit is an innovation to say do so many regards. Then after them do recite Surah Yaseen because Surah Yaseen, the heart of the Quran which is fabricated, there is nothing on the prophets arsenal of Australia seen being the heart of the Quran, very famously batted around,

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and so that you're seeing to be recited on the dead. Again, very weak or fabricated nothing authentic about that. In fact, there's nothing about the virtue of Surah Yaseen boom SSRC is not good. It's part of the class one Allah. But we have nothing in regards to specific virtues of psoriasis. So all that that you sent, actually, that's the reason why I can understand the shithole ban, you went to really I believe a bit further and started calling anybody singling out the night

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to do a bother in it as better. That's why because people made it into some sort of as though they have special knowledge about doing certain solos on doors which prophesies give us that makes it better. I believe it's fine to do a badass on that night individually at home that's absolutely fine. Do the cut group around as you can do every night anyway. Yeah, especially in Alaska to donate. And especially with that particular Hadith even if that hadith wasn't there, you can do that every night anyway. But I believe to get as it will take me a sec to gather in the mosque to do Gemma as though we gather in Ramadan for tarawih etc. Yeah, it is question mark in Tamia called the

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admit that because now you're introducing something that prophesies them didn't do and therefore it exaggerates the importance as though disabled. The problem is that some did this they did.

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That there's nothing about the first thing of the day of the 15th about shutdowns specifically singling it out. Yeah. To finish with that, but we can have indirectly if it's on a Monday or Thursday, so not too fast on Monday on Thursdays we want to do it from that angle. But don't do it with the belief that there is something special about a fast on the 15th from Monday to Thursday, it's fine. There is something special about fasting on the 15th from every month because they called a Yarmuth B which is the 13th 14th and 15th which is recommended from the Sunnah of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi salam so I hope that clarifies some of the questions that were raised

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about the 15th of Shabbat the night and the day of it okay

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let's go back to the Hadith of the Prophet saw something that we presently dealing with

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where which is important I'm delighted and muscled reveal one I'll also lie some hola hola Salam la Yehuda, normally in Muslim in in LA Baghdad for us as they use zani when neffs will be nests with Todd equally Dini he'll methodical Gemma

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rawa who Buhari were Muslim. It is not

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legal to spill the blood of any Muslim except other than three situations.

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a married person committing adultery life for a life and one who lives that Deen separating from Dejima as Buhari Muslim reported it

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Now we move on to the second category, which is enough Salman nefs. Which is life for a life and we're talking about in Islam because sauce here Yeah, the law of retribution as came in the Quran and Sunnah of the last la Salaam.

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this regard

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minsum first what are some of the

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Olimar say, for example, a trophy in a shelf of this hadith mentioned briefly a few things under each category, and not too much in this category of Life for life except he mentions the Quran of course. And this goes in accord with the Quran he says

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that a life for a life for a murderer. Their life can be taken under the under the

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under person besides as it was retribution. That's one of the choices of course, depending on how the the family, what they're willing to accept for the person that's been murdered, intentional murder, that is first degree murder.

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I don't want to go into great detail, but I have to mention a few things here in regards to because there are various opinions on various aspects of it. As far as proof is concerned. The only other thing he mentioned really of significance is

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one, he mentioned the issue that aside from the three categories, there's another category which can be killed. And that is a category of those who

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like highway robbers from the community. Those highway robbers are those who generally go around causing

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attack attacking the state and civilian unrest. Yeah, the declare war on their own state. Yeah. In the sense of committing that treason for them, as an officer was said was the idea of the Quran where Allah subhanaw taala says,

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In managers will levena you Haribo, la hora, Sula, well, yes, our field on the facade and

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your value, how you sell Lebu how to add him to add more room laughing how we earn four main

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bases in Surah, al Qaeda, verse 33, where Allah subhanaw taala mentions

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the recompense of those who wage war on Allah and His Messenger of versatile said this waging war is not generally talking about it's not talking about warfare, those as dealt with separately, but these are citizens who cause mischief, violent mischief in their own land.

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who declare war and go about in the spreading mischief. Indeed, they're compensated that they're either put to death or be crucified or have their hands and feet cut off from opposite sides, or that they'll be banished from the land.

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in this regard

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some of the football has said that this is there are various choices not all debate done at the same time. This is a choice being left to the government. What punishment they give these people attack a little Imam fee him final total. Yeah, this is the opinion of Abdullah Messiah, the great Tabby, and you can say the students of America Fatah photogravure one apart from the tabby Mujahidin, again for the time being I'll hustler bacillary, Ibrahim and Natalie and I will so it's their opinion that the Imam or the leader has the choice the government to do any of these from what the Quran mentions a choice. So, I want to briefly mention that I will come back to that lead from when I deal with the

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issue of those who

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leave the deen as separate from the Juma because he is significant in a hadith there. Now the other thing that which is interesting, that tofi mentor which I strongly disagree with and afraid with the greatest of respect to love for a month tofi Is that he says we can see from this hadith he says from a parent

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that it says here that a spilling of the blood of a Muslim is not allowed in the free situation except for these three situations. So he said we can therefore turn the coin over. And with my form mahalo fan look at the opposite end.

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means that for a non Muslim for a cafe you can spill their blood anytime.

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I mean that's ridiculous that that is like trying to go that with time this Have you come to tell you that go around telling non Muslims otherwise because this is only for Muslims that

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this is a twisted way I believe twisted way of understanding this hadith and it breaks the very essence of Islam coming as a religion of peace a religion of security yeah that's that makes Islam a religion of war that the the apostle Yeah In other words are two fields suggesting that the apostle that the the normal status quo for Islam and Muslims is killing disbelievers that's what he's saying. Yeah

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Subhanallah No wonder we got extremists coming when these kinds of views and he's you're not the only one coming with those kind of views by the way. And look, he mentioned that for this hadith. So he says, Therefore it is allowed to kill a disbeliever Yeah.

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If we take from this hadith,

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whether he or she is in warfare, a fighter at war, all weather as in me, right weather as in me, that's the only two where they can see them live me means that they are actually citizens taken under the care of the state but then me actually doesn't mean just that it means that they were at war, they were actually at war with the Muslim state and then they get beaten and taken into the security of the state and therefore become Vimeos citizens. So however he says we can take out from that no them me because he can't say that you can kill me as as the status quo and the courts quite rightly to the prophets Allah Salam sent Hadith in Africa and the Sati min PATA regular mean ugly

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Yeah, sub

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any are its terms that whoever kills them me which is a non Muslim as a citizen of the Muslim state, as I explained before, they will not even find the smell of paradise. Yeah, even though its smell reaches the distance of 70 years.

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This hadith is authentic and to be mentioned it but but Dolphy mentions it as though this was the only exception otherwise the rest of disbelievers are like

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like free game to be killed which is absolutely nonsense.

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So I thought I should mention that

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he does mention one or two other things but that can be covered under what even Rajib says even Roger goes into more detail as you would expect

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in this category as well. And firstly,

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a barrage of mentioned here unnecessarily neffs as the Hadith says, and that is in line with what Allah subhanho wa Taala says in the Quran

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in surah, al Maliki that

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Allah Subhan Allah Allah says,

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look at

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him fi.

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Zell Allahu

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Iike who was on even though Allah he's talking about bunnies, right yield and what you're doing in the Torah? Yeah, well, Omar agreed of Alison, our Java that this law applies to us as well. And Allah says and varying meaning in the Torah, we had ordained for them a life for a life, an eye for an eye and a nose for a nose and ear for an ear and a tooth for a tooth. And for all walls. Yeah, like for light, but whoever the whosoever forgoes it by way of charity, meaning somebody has been injured and they forego it. Yeah. It will be for him or her and XPS. And those who do those who do not judge by what Allah has the real indeed, wrongdoers, so we'll clarify this further, although I

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don't go into the whole details of a precise or retaliation for wounds and iphonex cetera because that's not the issue. It's a big topic with much detail and I don't want to go into that but a few things I do want to take up in this regard.

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A lesson one

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All mentions in the Gospel resource part which is enough soon enough so be knifes live for life. In Surat

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Al Baqarah

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Allah subhanaw taala says in verse number 178 Yeah, are you Hello, Xena P Valley como pizza Soufeel bottler Alpha ruble Hungary well Abu Dhabi Labadi Well, savvy,

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lai he the F San Zaarly catastrophe for Millwall become RAF.

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Lika fella who won early? Allah smartglasses Oh you who believe

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what has been ordained and prescribe for you is in the case of killing is retribution. A sauce? Yeah.

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A free person for

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a free person a slave for a slave, a female for a female.

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But if something of the murderous guilt is emitted by his brother, yeah, that is not the one who's been murdered but the family of the murderer. This should be adhered to in fairness and payment be made in good manner. This is an alleviation of mercy from your Lord and for him who commits excess after that, that is a painful chastisement.

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Now last night I mentioned it precisely and then the last night that actually says in the next day, which is very important while a coma Philippi sassy higher we

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be we'll come back on and for you in precise in retribution is life. Yeah, or people who are wise. So that perhaps Yeah, people have understanding. So perhaps you may guard yourselves from guard yourself from against violating Allah's laws. So what does that mean? That is life and it because nicely it's, it's saying one of the things is taking life life for a life, it means safeguard the life of others.

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Otherwise, if there's no sweets, like

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like Viola Maher described, this is like a deterrent. Yeah, otherwise, if people can just get away with killing,

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yeah, without their life being taken, even if it could just pay money again and again, rich people would carry on killing, causing murder. So, it is life meaning safeguarding the life of others.

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So that we realize what what this and how serious this crime is.

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Here Allah Slyke also masons, after administering that precise or retribution prescribed prescribed for you, in the gods to killing, and he says, yeah, a free person for a free person, a slave for a slave woman for a woman. Now, if you look at the apparent meaning of this without, without the suburb of when it was revealed, you can have

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a skewed meaning it can give the idea that

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yet only a free person for a free person, retribution can be done slave for a slave, it can give the idea superficially, initially, yeah, and that's what I used to reflect on this idea and think about it, that if a slave is being killed, only a slave can be killed in return, but not a free person. And if it's a woman being killed, a man can be killed a woman for a woman, but actually, it's not saying that. And the only way to understand that is to understand as our bailiwick in SFC and in Nicosia medicine in that I've seen

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the context of where this idea came, as biblical theme mentions. And he says that

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we'll have Tim

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mentions that

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there were two tribes in Janelia, just before that Islam in the Gulag camp, and they would have fight and kill one another different people from each tribe when they embraced Islam.

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One of the tribes thought they were more honorable than the other tribes. So they wanted the upper hand on the other. So they said to them in retribution, if you kill a slave from us, we'll kill a free person a month from you. If you kill a woman from us, we'll fill a man from you. If you have any some report, and maybe if you kill one man for Let's go kill two from you.

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Yeah. So in, in when they mentioned this, Allah Swatara reveal this area. Yeah, this area was revealed to deal with bringing about equality. No, you can't do that. There has to be equal. Yeah, what is really saying the AI is the one who's done the killing is the one who is the criminal. Yeah. Is going to be held responsible. Yeah, they're going to be held responsible. So none of this varying of if it's a woman will kill a man and if he's a slave will so and that's why a lot smarter saying Free for free, slave for slave. Yeah, whoever the criminal happens to be. Yeah, some of us civil said that this only covers when a slave killed a slave or a free person killed a free personal woman

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kills a woman, okay. Which is possible as well, the apparent meaning can be that, but as it may, Kathy's said, this idea was abrogated, but actually, it was more that it was clarified with the as,

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with the other IRA, which I recited before, in from somebody that has it because he says, where it mentions a Life for life. Yeah, as the overarching general meaning meaning the criminal who's done the killing whoever they are, whether they are from Royal Family, whether they free slave man, woman, whoever killed slaves, etc, that they are going to be the ones the criminals going to be held responsible. And that is the that is the clarification of the meaning.

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In case you get a misunderstand from these areas, and that's important to understand.

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it will be interesting for you.

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To know,

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as even Rachel also mentioned

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that if a free person kills a slave,

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Joe Mahoto, the Allah majority of Allamah believe in, believe it or not, from anomala, amalickiah and Shafia. Their view is that that the free person will not be killed for killing the slave. They're not saying that they won't have Tassie any kind of punishment but they're saying there'll be no precise applied to them.

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So when you look at that, you say oh, it's two standards of citizen human life of the slave is like that our catalog and it's not worth much and the free person that Jim Hall opinion, believe it or not, thank Allah, that

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and some of them may send various

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ahadeeth There's nothing authentic at all to support them. Aside, Khaled Abu Hanifa had a different opinion to this and the mother of kind of fear. Yeah, they said and mahalo Yocto Bill Adams Lee a moment if the free person is killed, does have retribution purposes. Because of the idea from Surabaya, which I mentioned and next two minutes. Yeah.

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And that is also the opinion you should know of a man Sophia Allah salary. It be Layla. Yeah, these were around in the second century.

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Of Hegira. Aside, everyone was saying love already mentioned as a student of from the tablet in our student ombudsman, photogra. Doe, Ibrahim and Nany. Walker Tada. Yeah, and others.

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So that is definitely the the correct opinion. The other opinion, I believe is an ugly opinion, producing a two class system where the slave doesn't have much value, some of them actually from the tab in a bar and l Hassanal. bacillary. Strangely, if it's authentic to them, but it's certainly an indica field. He mentioned it, but not everything is if it's mentioned loan that is necessarily authentic. So I do warn you. I haven't checked it. But I'll have an investment advisory opinion apparently that if a man kills a woman, that that the man yeah will not be

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Given a sauce or retribution and killed for a woman, yeah. So they seem to be fine. Looking at the, the skewed meaning of

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horrible horror, while Abdulmutallab while on switches, not where it's applied. The sub was the reason why it was sent was to stop what those people were saying from Jackie Adams who became Muslim, to stop them and to bring equality. Yeah. So however, majority of Alana from all Moroccan, yeah. And all of them rejected what was the opinion of these two

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has not been thought and said that there is equality between men and women in regards to resource. So life for a life

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of course, as the idea in Surah Al Baqarah, Benson's that,

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in retribution, the family can demand once it's been proved that the murder is first degree and intense, though, yeah, that they can demand the death penalty for the criminal. But they can also forgive an overlook the crime yet and in compensation for that they are given blood money. Yeah, some people think, Oh, look, people are for money. But Blood Money is not something that's even.

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It's something that's still present today. I mean,

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and people say how do you work out the amount for life work, but somebody's left off to do that different times different situation cultures? Yeah, is left to each society to work out what the blood money of that particular death and circumstance etc. For example, I don't know how many millions of dollars I don't know whether you find the news have recently been offered for the for the person who was killed by the police man in America by sticking his knee on his throat? Yeah. Several million have been offered

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in America for as as blood money for his death to the family. So that is not a strange thing. So anyway, that is a possibility. But what the Quran is saying, yeah, that what should be asked as blood money should be fair, Bill Maher rules, don't don't try and say we've got an opportunity now, it's less than get as much out as possible. So it's more indoors, the family who are asking, and then it should be also a paid air. What are their own la hibbett? Son? Yeah, and it shall be paid in a good manner as well. But once that is done, it means the issue is finished with Yeah.

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That's what the last one exactly get that people met Rob before athma This is an alleviation and mercy from your Lord. In other words, the alternative was always desks. And in fact in Bani Israel, you there there are some ahadeeth masons, they only had a sauce, precise as knifes one life for a life. This was introduced as an alleviation perhaps you could overlook and forgive somebody and blood money and their life is therefore said then, hola familia valleca Falah. Liam. So you've you've forgiven, you've got the blood money and then you go out and try and kill the person still. That's what Allah does warning about who then goes beyond the limits? Yeah, this is from the family

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of the one who's been killed, then for that person is a painful punishment.

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And similarly, in Sunil Bihari,

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as he's explained by

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a blender but bust this is a statement from your level and Wilma, all candidates feed fee bunnies real quick sauce.

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And he said it used to be for the people the Jews they used to be a sauce only retribution life for a life while I'm tackling FEMA DIA and they used to have blood money as an alternative possibility for calla Hooli had he OMA but Allah said for this ummah. Yeah, good Eva Alikum will be SASL Philip Butler, and he mentioned the AI because the AI then gives ILA has the hill area I'm an ova Allah whom in Fiji che

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and whoever

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is remitted, but if something is remitted of the guilt

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by his brother, meaning they are they are forgiven or pardoned. Now Allah IGNOU Abbas file of law and yuck Bella dear, what is this pardoning? Is that the family accept the blood money, Phil Amok

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In the one kill, who is intentional murder? Yeah, first degree murder. And then he says, What does it mean

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for people on build models? Yeah. To follow it. Yeah, follow it in the best way and yet Luba Bhima, alofa you Dr. Besson that it is demanded the blood money in good manner fair manner, and it is also compensated with a handsome gratitude from the family

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paid by the killer and his family. The murderer

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shall we have the break now? Is it time for moving

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we still have about three four ministership Yeah, I think we'll have the break now and solid to sit inside like a break and a thought so we may as well after the break, and 13 minutes or so inshallah we'll resume if that's all right. No problem. Just one quick question from

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who was the person along with Hassanal battery Rhodiola that did not believe in crisis of a man killing a woman please. It was a part I think.

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A lot in the bath

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on the Caribbean, okay, inshallah. We don't administration

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When we're ready, just let me know.

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Yep. Really?

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Cool. hamdulillah handler Bilal Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah. Allah, Allah, he was savage marking them about

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the target, then we carry on

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the last thing I mentioned. Yeah, it's interesting that actually, even Roger mentioned, although 100% agree with it, that

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he is indicating the same Al Hasan. And lastly, and apart the great scholars, by the way, with the greatest respect for all scholars all make mistakes. We're not that so we're not the prophets of Allah. So we don't doesn't take anything away from the

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great reverence and love we hold for has no Busbee apart.

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If, as I said, the athletes authentic to them just because it's Mason Vapnik, a theme that that's their opinion, is corroborating, anyway. But it seems that if that's the case, they also of the opinion, therefore that the blood money should be half for a woman to Dhaka woman, which I, as I said, in my notes, it's absolute nonsense.

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That's the only way to describe it. Now,

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before I go on, remember that and Chef zarabozo, when he does the chef of this hadith, most of it is what Mr. Raja has said in his shot, as it's the case with the Bozo He's referring most of the time to that. But

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interestingly, at the end, saying that, of course,

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these acts when they're done by Muslims, of Xena and Life for life, for example, killing retribution.

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The punishments are only applied by a Muslim state. They're not to be taken up by individuals, whether in Muslim country or non Muslim country, it's not for individuals to go on the streets and sailboat around the family and say, right, you know, we've come to kill the person blah, blah, blah. That will be absolute anarchy. Of course, that's not the case. It's the government decides and says there's no Islamic government, in Jamaica Allamah has said that they cannot apply these punishments that cannot be applied therefore, and what's necessary in that society and community is on an individual level for reminder and tobacco, especially in regards to Xena

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* outside marriage. Yeah. But of course, the government will have its own laws in regards to a murder etc, as all countries do have. So you leave it to the to the country and follow the laws of the country. Interestingly, he does mention it and my family can be opinion and one of the opinions at one time of Mo Shanthi seems to be that there must be applied everywhere, whether in non Muslim lands on was condemned, but you know, of course, I think the general hold around the correct opinion they're, they're not to be applied in our situation. So we're discussing these from Grants not for information purposes, as to what the Quran Hadith came with in this regard and what this hadith is

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talking about

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now talking about Life for life. And we've talked about the, the quality in regards to slave or a free person.

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It's also mentioned and this is a Hadith of the Prophet sosna, which is Hassan, which is a good Hadith reported in Atman. And in the merger and by telemovie, where the Prophet SAW Islam is said to set as if the Augur says La util. Walid la util while you do be well a day, that the father or parents are not killed because of killing their children.

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And initially, you might think, oh my god, that means parents can go around killing children all day long. And nothing is done to them. No, no, they're not killed.

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The sauce isn't applied to them. Doesn't mean to say there's no punishment from the government. But sauce is not like meaning they are not killed in return number one, number two, Blood Money is not asked from them because who are they taking the blood money from to give to who remember the blood but it comes from the criminals family to those who are who are left behind from the murdered person. The third person is their own child. Yeah, so who they're gonna give the money to from WHO? So of course, because ours doesn't apply. But the best the best opinion, because it's an exception because it is highly unimagined and extremely rare that a mother and father would kill their child.

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It can happen, but it doesn't mean say there's no punishment. Don't get misunderstand. But there's no precise implied in that case. That's the meaning of this. And that's the opinion of the Jehol.

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The majority of the scholars

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some said the parents can be killed. I think it's the correct me, a member I think is the Maliki opinion in my mind is opinion. It can be but forgotten absolutely sure about that. Now, the other issue is, is too

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interesting when we talk about the slave and free people. Of course, we're talking about the past when slavery was there.

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Edmund Randolph says that this is your mark consensus of the Ummah, that there's no retribution between Slaves and free people. Well, I said, my comment on that is that's ridiculous. And even if there is a it is rejected, it is rejected. Because there's nothing from the ground so not to actually to say that yeah. And in fact, the idea of what we set out the opinion of the 100 via Sofia the salary, others that I mentioned from the tablet in etc,

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is when they're saying that a free person can be killed for killing a slave that's the idea of the risk assaults. So we reject that

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the other one of course is what a trophy mentioned earlier went to Life for life in regards to a disbeliever and a believer he is interesting again look like goofy said I mean he made basically a killing the norm of disbelievers unless they're within me Yeah, unless we're citizens who have been taken under the Islamic State out of protection after losing a war and others you know

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free for free for almost

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the prophesy Islam is a handy thing because it it is authentic said lie util Muslim Be careful that Muslim A believer is not killed by killing a disbeliever Okay, so

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majority majority the gym Hola, hola. Mar took this apart meaning and said

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that there is no killing of any Muslim who's killed the disbeliever This is to class system again. Yeah, giving a very ugly picture under Jamal who robbed them of their hip murder. Certainly Shafi ear and her Nabila

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are on this view that whether it is the me or whether it's somebody who's got a law for that or citizen Yeah, living in the the some extent if a Muslim kills such a person, then they cannot be killed in retaliation from the government because ours can be applied. I will Hanifa again. Yeah, and others hola hola. From Kufa said no, this is not right. This hadith of which is authentic, that the Catholic

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not be killed, a Muslim cannot be killed after the attack, it only applies towards situation. It is in harm. And that's what makes sense in regards to interpreting the studies.

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Yeah, of course in warfare, yeah, there is no precise in warfare. You kill the disbelieving person in legitimate war. And then there's no cause

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to be killed and returned, etc, you don't get taken to the court because of that. And that's pretty obvious. But that's the meaning as I've only found others say, otherwise.

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Situate situation that is life for a life as only if I say life for a live human being life. Yeah.

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Which is, which is the best convenient Of course, now, that's really what I wanted to say in regards to life, life and precise, but I'd like to mention now that

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not the third category, I'll deal with that next time I hope inshallah. Amen. Rajab then goes into mentioning, remember Imam tofi mentioned one or two, aside from the three who can be killed. Even Reza goes into a longer list of people who can be killed aside from these three? Yeah, but he just say In summary, all the other categories he's going to include can come under somehow, indirectly, one way or another on the three main headings. But actually, if you look at the Hadith, yeah, it does make some those three, it does mention those three, and we look at the the details of the others that it would rather be suggesting that can be killed. Firstly,

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he mentioned have these in regards to homosexuals. Yeah.

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And he says above and below and Homer, Paul, and he says ala Rasulillah, Salam alto, in fact, even before he killed the one doing it, and the one is done to that, too, is basically the homosexual sexual act. This is a report in Abu Dhabi and Timothy and Al Hakim, it is a life Hadees it is not authentic, as has been clarified by my teacher. To me, this is not authentic, not accepted.

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So, and again, this is for the state. And it's not a standard state, in fact, punishment to decide if it's outlawed, and it was outlawed in many

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societies, including the Eastern West. And the punishment for it was up to up to what they decided. And that's how it's been left in regards to Islam as well. It is seen as sinful, and I don't need to go into the rest of it. This is not the time and place for it.

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Now, another, so he mentions it. Yeah, it goes without saying it's the so he's saying this is another category of person who can be killed. And in one of his comments, he says this is worse than Zina * outside of marriage.

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So, a second category mentions which has not been making a hadith which can also be killed. He said,

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top low, men deserve a job but imagine a B. And then he mentioned the Hadith killing of a person who marries his,

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his father's wife,

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one who marries his father's wife, not his own mother. Yeah, but his father's life or his stepmother. Yeah, so he really gives a beef which mentions that the Prophet says I'm told sent out somebody to have to be killed who did that. And the hadith is actually inaccurate, I will bold and telemovie and again, it is weak. And my bad I quickly mentioned that is if to laugh It's text. And that is it's a law that is its problem. It is not an authentic. So that's two categories, not based on authentic hadith, but he doesn't clarify that even Roger has that 20 In other words, third category mentioned is the black magician the one practicing sorcery of black magic. This is not

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there is no authentic hadith of the Prophet SAW Salem in this regard either. Number four he mentioned is one who practices *. I hope you understand what * means. I don't want to go into great graphic details. And well no for going into graphic details because I'm being from a medical background. We don't sort of have any hesitation in starting going, talking about all kinds of things and parts of the body. So basically somebody having

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sexual * with an animal anyway, this hadith is mentioned in athma. I will download and Tirmidhi so it's there in the hitbox Yeah, and it means

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Turns whoever does that. portaloo who worked on behemoth

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subtotal, who worked on behemoth kill that person and kill the animal as well. This is very weak not accept percent percent decrease. So that's four categories. fifth category you mentioned is the opinion of many of the scholars and he's right. It was the opinion and I discussed this many times in my classes before I don't intend to go into detail with it again today, which is you can imagine already for those who've been coming to my class, the one who doesn't pray five times a day in fact Imam Ahmed Isaiah said even if the live one of the five girls Salas yeah without reason a Muslim then they become more tagged they become Renegades this can be killed. Now the bill I mean VALIC

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anyway, there is no nothing authentic in that in that regard eyelets opinion of many scholars however, number five even Roger also mentions based on a hadith report is also law which is in athma double doweled at Tirmidhi in the hem burn and Al Hakim it is authentic and it is Hadith reported from why we are not the other one and others reported it like in the open hon Hooray saying that

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yeah, I'll come to that

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I have it somewhat

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okay, this is interesting, this hadith.

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It's talking about the person in a Muslim society. believer who keeps being caught been drinking hammer. Yeah. Been drinking. And if they caught the beak caught,

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convicted the fourth time that they should be killed. This hadith is reported by Imam telemovie yeah as Hassan and his Jamia, what does he say? He says a lot more than just the Hadith. Firstly mentioned birdies.

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He says from why we are called su Leisel Allah salam machesney belsomra firstly do who find ad after Robbie RT tak glue whoever drinks 100

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drinks alcohol then give them lashes as punishment. And if they do it repeat it for the fourth time then kill that person. Then Imam Tirmidhi goes on and he says

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important comments

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he says

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will feel bad in this on this issue and Abby Herrera with Chevy wash Shahrukh bill in the House for joining me Rahman Bella we are Abdullah Ahmed so in other words the report similarly this hadith Bacala Mukhisa Hadith Omar we are Hakka was solely Avon and asked him to be solid a label that he carries on. They say this this has been reported by such a such a chain

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and then he says submit to Mohammed he means his teacher Muhammad smile Buhari good I heard Mr. Buhari say had these are bizarrely and what are we on in the media so I Salam we have that a settlement Hadith it is one of the most of centac of the Hadith, this hadith were in the makan Hanafi I will have this was the original order from the Prophets Aslam some nanosci Do Hakka Rolla Mohammed didn't is hard, then it was abrogated.

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First Order was this then it was abrogated, as is reported by Muhammad Yunus have an image of the chain again of the Hadith and apart that the poem is Aslam say it's still quoting Imam Bihari in Nam and sharable farmer firstly to find other Gambia to know who. Yeah, he's missing the same that the youth actually as the first one. Then he says, some novelty and Nabhi is solid lifestyle and how was it abrogated. Then a person was brought to the Prophet salallahu salam after that after

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He's made that statement earlier on.

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Or being guys will kind of show people a humble Robbia who had drank alcohol and being brought for the fourth time for bonobo who were lamb tolko and he like gave him lashes and didn't tell him. Yeah, so it's from the Prophet salallahu Salam himself that this was

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abrogated or it indicates either abrogation or indicates a choice for the state to decide whether to do lashing or whether to

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to decide on the death penalty for person repeatedly being a court drunk in a Muslim society and Muslim state. It left it like that.

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Majority Allah actually say it was abrogated completely this killing of the drinking of alcohol.

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and they mentioned the Hadith from Imam Al Bukhari, who mentioned a Sahai anyway, that a person was brought after drinking summer, and somebody cursed him. And the Prophet SAW Salam said, as saying, How often have you been brought for this? Which indicates he's been brought now for fifth five or six times? Because that's what they said, not through my yoke. Toby, you keep on being brought back. How many times? Yeah, how often have you been brought back abroad to be punished based upon the B is the lowest level. So the probably sound responded loud della anago, do not for this drunkard person telling the other Sahabi do not curse this person, Prophesy some defending the one who's been

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brought drunk so many times. Don't curse him for him now who you hit bla, bla, one or solar, while I'm yet to be VALIC. Forgot, publicize them said because he loves Allah and His messenger, and he didn't kill him. So, in fact,

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prophesize them generally practice giving 14 classes or the person brought drunk, and almost an alley practice giving 80 lessons. So the different with that showing that it is from the Tassie, it is for the Heart team or the donor to decide about the level of punishment. But majority as they say, The Killing is abrogated. Again, Category Five from the original, which is not a reason for killing someone. The category six he mentioned, he himself says

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that this hadith, which is reported, mentioning that the one who

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steals for the fifth time is brought before Yeah, the court and convicted for the fifth time that they shouldn't be killed the stick.

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around on the side he Maasai who reports this at least says himself this hadith is mancha rejected.

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What else does he mentioned?

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And the only other thing he mentioned, and this is really more to do with the government, that somebody comes forward and once when there's a government already in place. Yeah. And somebody else trying to take the place, renegade tried to set up a second government. Yeah, that's seen as a treason that they shouldn't be killed. But that's for a step to decide how to deal with treason like that. That's the only one that Pat perhaps but we'll deal with that because that actually is linked with the third category in the actual Hadith that we're dealing with and we'll deal with later. Finally, he does mention a category which perhaps doesn't make sense. He says, it is allowed to kill

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a person who's trying to kill you and take your wealth from you. Yeah.

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And he uses the Hadith. in Bukhari Muslim when the Prophet saw some sent authentically, man Cotulla dooner Maliki for worship meet. Woman Cotulla Duna Demi he for who was Shaheed whoever is killed trying to defend their wealth. That person is a Shaheed so if they are killed trying to defend it, what Imam even Roger was saying they must have been trying to kill the person who's trying to kill them, or try to steal their wealth from them robbed them of something. Yeah. So if they end up killing that person, yeah.

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So he's saying, are they allowed to kill? Yeah, this is another situation where in fact now the citizen can make the kill in trying to defend their life if somebody tried to kill them or robbed them.

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Yeah. And the person trying to do that the innocent person, the victim, if they get killed, they're like, Sir,

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sir, which is fine. That's a good argument for us in that regard. Okay, so that's the category brothers sisters to do with a summary of

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sauce Ville Islam. And that's to be knifes. And some of the things that Evan Roger the long list of things he gives, actually, of those others who can be killed. Aside from the three mentioned, none of them are accepted, except perhaps the last one, which you can understand that in defending your own life and your family and wealth, you accidentally killed the other person.

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That now, of course, it's the courts to decide in the end your innocence.

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Okay. Well, that one on your handling lack of Billa mean, any questions on what we've covered today, inshallah. Next time, we'll cover the category, the third category in the studies before we probably break then for Ramadan, and so if I can get through the first category next time.

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Sounds like okay, can you hear me properly? Ah, yes, Alhamdulillah Desikan lifetime, first of all, again, for very, very informative.

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Talk in Sharla. Just want to ask you Okay, how did Ibn Rajab extend his list? How what categories did he use? Or What process did he use to try and extend this?

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Because if you notice, in all the Hadees, for those category, he mentioned them, they happen to be weak, but it makes sense in those weaker these kill them.

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Right. So it was being filtered by the by virtue of any Hadith that reported to kill somebody. That's some abrogation of a rule or something. Yes, yeah. That hadith is not authentic, that all understood categories. It mentions in those Hadith kill such and such a person, for example, one practicing *, kill the one practicing it and kill the animal. Yeah, that hadith. If it was authentic, he would, he could use that. But the effect of death itself is not totally in very weak. It's not acceptable.

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That's how he did it. Yes, he did it based on what he thought was evidence.

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Of course, I could just in relation to the last point about allowing somebody to effectively defend their wealth. Would that in an in an ideal Islamic State, and I know that that's a bit of a white elephant at this moment in time, but is that something that would be allowed, for instance, where you've got a situation where somebody is committing fraud? Because Are they not also stealing wealth that is earned in a halal way, but in a deceptive way? Was it considered different if somebody's physically attacking somebody? Yeah, it's different when somebody physically attacking fraud would have to be taken through the courts when you're being robbed in your house and attacked in your

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house? Yes. As a as is the case in this country? Of course. Yeah. But you know, people have been taken to court sometimes. And there's been uproar when an elderly man many years back now 1015 years of the news trying to defend himself and he ended up seriously hurting the rubber. Yeah. And that they arrested the elderly man, there was uproar because he was just defending his home from from armed robbers. Yeah, so it's only in that situation

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does. That's great. Thank you.

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Any other questions, brothers and sisters? Any any writing suffer if you can see them or slide because

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maybe we're missing some. Nothing in writing at the moment here or there. It's all quiet on the Eastern Front or the Western Front?

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Silence suggests Yeah, people have had enough long session.

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I hope it wasn't that long. It's not been that long. Actually. It's only 20 past eight.

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We've had a break for nearly 15 minutes

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okay, if there's no other questions, that's fine into Java.

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But if people hadn't heard the hotbar that's out in circulation that I did last Friday then of course you're welcome to

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to listen to that

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I Do I have permission to go then lover. Yes, Sheikh inshallah.

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very kindly

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I have your you're in charge of me

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your service brothers and sisters please remember anything to us and we'll we'll meet again at seven in the life Allah wills next week in sha Allah and again we can break for Margaret if necessary or we can finish and then pray Maghrib afterwards it might be a bit of course will be a bit later than anyway all right good luck inshallah so we can make eight o'clock when we can finish campus date maybe or something and probably financial insha

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