Channel: Munir Ahmed
Series: Munir Ahmed - Fiqh us-Seerah
Incarceration of the Muslims
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Bismillah Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah
wa Salatu was Salam O Allah.
Allah Allah, Biggie as a man and my bad
follow to Allah filicudi Hakeem
in the lava Malaika who used to be, yeah livina solu alayhi wa sallam Oh Taslima Allahumma salli wa barakaatuh Muhammad Ali Mohammed. Come
Alive Rahim Allah Allah Allah Ibrahima innaka. Hamid
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in the home who was Samuel alim, while our hola La quwata illa de la la de la creme. Praise be to Allah we praise Him. We seek His forgiveness guidance we send peace and presently a final messenger Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam,
as Allah subhanaw taala all of us to do. We ask Allah to forgive us to guide us to,
to accept from us our efforts. And there is no power of mine, except that.
So long time since the last session, just to remind you where we left off, we basically left off after
the Abyssinian hedgerow. The second of the Abyssinian, there were two heroes, if you remember,
either some months or a year apart, and we're talking about around the sixth year of prophethood, six years of prophethood.
To according to most authorities, that was around the time, none of these things are absolutely set in stone, by the way, some things are other things are left a bit, as you can imagine, with dates and years and things,
even from the birth of Russell over fossils, as we know, so around
six 706 256. So we completed that, and we where we ended was the failure of the Quraysh. To try and play the trickery and bribery of the the ministers in you consider ministers in other senior bribing them and using their connections with the king to try and get them back.
The Muslims back who had migrated there, and they failed to do that. And that actually sent even more anger amongst them in Macau, of course, they felt that the believers had given them the slip
under control this wave of what was coming, they were afraid of where it would materialize and where it would lead to. They wanted to stamp it out. So that can raise the mole. And you can imagine that persecution and other things increased, and perhaps some of the worst persecution there that may have happened after that for those who were left to pursue that. And that was
why some of the commentators say I like him, this Hawk and others, they say that that made them even more anger made me more determined that come to a position now where they wanted the panel Hashem, and abano muttalib, the tribe of rasulillah to hand him over
to hand him over.
And that was the kind of effect it was leading because they realize their various visit. So Batali wasn't producing anything that tried that already. And he was standing by Rasulullah saw so even though he himself was a disbeliever otology
and that the tribe was standing by them and they know that if they went out and just killed, this is what they wanted. Now at this stage. by six years, seventh year, profit, they wanted to kill it.
Yeah, this will be enraged amongst them and so they wanted the tribe. They couldn't just go and kill him because it will lead to tribal feud. On the basis of tribal wisdom, the tribal tribes have been Ohashi. I
would call it would basically want blunt revenge. Whether it was Mahatma sossaman was immaterial.
Yeah, from the believers and disbelievers in the tribe, oh, no harsh.
So they couldn't just go and kill whoever would do that there would be warfare, not just for that person's head, but for that tribe as well.
So they made this demand. Now, this is around a six seventh year Prophethood. What happens is because of this demand, according to
his hog mom's ovary, who was the teacher or what,
who was Tabby as well,
these are all from Tabby in time, and then a student in a saga student Oh man, sorry. Who would also who was partly partially student of Ottawa,
to have he and Ottawa was is well known, Tabby to be good with Anwar
Evans Oh, babe,
who was well known to be strong in Sierra in mahasi, as we call so we find their sort of report line and report is on the line, as you know about this is the time of
the blockade we call translations called social boycott. You've read about it, yes, for about three years or so. So there's two versions of it. One is from these generators. Another take on it is from Mu syedna, akba. Now, most notably, akba, his car is not available, as was indexed hucks. The Most akba are the
most likely most likely what was much more stronger.
In Hanif and in the ratio.
He's one of the students or moms already as well. So his version is slightly different, as we'll see. And
perhaps his version tends to fit more anyway in their socks version, which have made shamrock as well is that
because the demand from the kofod Kobe's for handing over a silver sauce on the tribe have been Washington been wanting to protect him, because in case they tried to take him or kill him or kidnap him and kill him. So what that Version says And I will tell it with the seniors made a decision. This excludes a bola by the way even though it's from the same tribe. He's with the other side. But they made a decision has tried to keep him under protection, they decided to venture out to the valley shed a bit Marlin themselves. Not that they were thrown out there.
So they go up and in camp in that area themselves. Yeah, as a tribe, protecting the soul when they do that, and it's clear to the kuffaar grace, but that's the stuff they're going to take. They're not going to hand him over. They now decide to make a decision. The rest of the tribal leaders and the kuffar
which they had handwritten, written as well and posted on the door of the cabinet some reports that mentioned this Saturday for this, what I decided was that they were going to boycott Banu Hashim and Muslim
Muslims and non Muslims are there together, you notice a Muslim or non Muslim coming together now on a tribal sense to protect
so is any good in non Muslims? That can be all these reports give you a different picture to what some people try and give you a narrative? Yeah, so far, you've seen about college boys being like, yeah, disbeliever look, to the extent
so now, Muslims, non Muslims together as a tribe, because they see it as a tribal thing. They're following their society's rules and traditions. They think isn't just unjust, what they're demanding that this blaming go far from your tribes.
So the co founder decide to boycott nor the tribal have anything to do with them. No social no visits, try an embargo on them no trade wisdom, and to divert the trade caravans coming in and out of Macau. We're from schermo, Vitaly to the rest of Mecca, to make those not doing a trade with them. That that would be the reason why they end up starving and in the situation if that's not done, so it's not just a social boycott, that we're not going to talk to you we're not going to marry you must be more than that. Because these were some of the worst years of life of a soloist.
And he says it himself. So
these are some of the worst time it became so bad that they used to have to buy leather slippers in a pot of hot water to try and get some soup from it. Awesome. Just
shrubs and grass or anything that could or odd, you know, dead
Hide from animals
and the crying of babies couldn't be couldn't be here and children with that kind of thought, and I'll come back. So that's the
how it puts it across the voluntarily. We call it goes to that area for protection and then the boycott happens as a consequence from the other side to make it worth. Yeah.
Most of the Aqua says no, he says what happened was because of their anger read this throughout Banu Hashim and Vanuatu live into share will be falling out from their houses.
Get out into the wilderness Valley and income there. We're now boycotting you. It's more like a confined confinement camp. In those days, you have to think you don't have to actually put walls and barriers around people to call it concentration camp. Because it wasn't like the world today, you could just get up on a car or plane and going somewhere else and find, find a haven. Yeah, you can't just travel as a train somewhere else looking. Because people are enemies and all kinds around, nobody's just going to take you in life and how you're going to get there. It's not simple. So in those days being allocated into that kind of encampment is like a concentration, they couldn't go
Even when you look at the idea of Hitler probably saw some do migration until they took permission from others to allow them in. We can't just get up with a whole tribe with every and and just travel somewhere and say we'll find a piece of you in the middle of a desert.
So to travel anywhere would be death.
But I had no choice but to stay there because so I like the version of moose and elk bar, which is what I've always favored, that that's most likely what happened rather than them taking themselves out there. They could have stayed in their homes and tried to protect that the fact that they were thrown out there and Boy Pocket at the same time
in a civil sense in the material sense. And all those molecules now in all those senses, yeah. And that continues for three years. And this agreement, which was pinned on the door of the Kaaba,
but it's interesting, although
the details again, are not there from authentic neurons, this area is authenticated what happened to them for three years. But it is true, we have narratives that it was then non Muslims go far from the very ranks of people who had boycotted them their tribes, who actually led to the announcement. Yeah, I'm finishing up this
boycott. It was non Muslim. And if you look at them, some narration mentioned them and their names historically, even though the rest of the week we can sort of have an idea that they must have something to do with it. names are still famous to this day of those disbelievers who took a part in actually speaking against those likes of Abu gehele and oma Yagna health. Yeah, awkward. Number eight, those really nasty ones. Yeah, to speak against them to try to get it boycotted, and it was the likes of the memes you'll find in syrup, which are not absolute names, you tend to find the CETA box is a battery zum
What if nadie? Yeah, he Sham these kind of names, the famous men of non Muslims who plotted a scheme together, that they were gonna go to the sanctuary to recover wearables are all these strategies will and challenge them. And they will do it not singly. But as a group, like a lobby. I mentioned in sera talks before that this was lobbying, because one of them said, I can't take this anymore. I said, Well, what can I do on my own? Bring me some more. Bring me some more until there is 456 or more of them. So they could one spoke against double jail. Somebody couldn't just stamp him down with words strong words, because the other one spoke and another one spoke. So they had a lobby
group to be able to take. Yeah, so is that it was a it was through meeting it wasn't through fighting that they were able to challenge. Yeah, leading to a moment of about
this is how it happened.
So the gnomon of the band is around the 10th year of prophethood.
in their site and other others mentioned,
they prefer in a sham as well.
They say that what happened was
atonement it had mentioned in the name of God
because remember they believed in God
not Bismillah R Rahman Rahim just Bismillah they didn't accept a rough man or who said Oh, they said who or who's Allah? But they had Bismillah Yeah, in the name of God because he believed in God. And and the rest of the agreement of Samson, the Golem, they call it the wrong that was agreed and written. So mlssoccer Allah said that the wood louse a lot of had to eat and everything of that paper and they found only the word of Allah.
In fact, in fact,
in fact, the word Allah, this is the view of just one of them the rate because I sleep majority of them like
we just get the majority of the narrator's actually say
that it's not a big it's not a big issue. But the majority of the writers say that the words of Allah had been eaten, and only remained on the page on the writing was the words of Solomon wrongdoing, which they agree. It's not a big issue. But anyway, there's some difference of opinion on what was actually eaten
by the insects and what was not. As I said, it's not a big issue.
So this is those terrible years
of boycott, because they wanted
prophesies to be handed over and they refused to hand over. And Ben, Hashim, and Muslim came back to their residences once again, but they went through a torturous time.
Some say that it was perhaps this time because profits are silom. And we're suffering
with the others, believers and disbelievers that, perhaps it was this time that the prophesies are meant to offer funding to come to the creation backup of the same famine that came to the use of Iceland's time to the disbelievers. Yeah. And perhaps it was at this time, because that what they were going through, there's nothing very clear as to when the family came, we have authenticity that it did come for some time not for seven years, because we also have an authentic report that was Sophia visited the prophet SAW. So I mentioned this to you before and said, Look, these are your people megawatt will not take this away, and the promise of the men too are for it to go away. And
they claim they would believe
passing away raises various issues and debates amongst the Allah ma among Muslim men from that time to this time.
what issues are raised?
The first issue it raises is did he die a Muslim or non Muslim or a Catholic?
The reality is this issue has been spread by a few
a handful of people.
The likes of the three of the most famous ones that was a big Sufi from the past.
Who was very pouring her teeth here, no knowledge of authenticity of teeth and whatnot. So you can anything that comes along that suits your fancy, you can pass it along. Now also, he's alive now, by the way from say in his case, and the most famous of them was a man so UT. Mr. Asuka is very famous Allison ojama. And also muhaddith. And famous mmct is so famous from the
10th century he drew.
He's so famous, because he wrote so much.
His title of books that he wrote, and books doesn't mean he wrote big books every time even small books and titled his books.
His titles of his books is an encyclopedia itself. That's how much he wrote. He wrote on nearly every subject. Yeah, but not everything he wrote. That made it always made sense. He wrote all sorts of things. He was known as Mojave but more of a gatherer of Hadith rather than Maha Maha cake is one who's able to decipher that this adage is authentic because of this, this this and this is he wasn't that, but he certainly was a gatherer of a famously he gathered his Jamia Sahil, which is a collection of ahaadeeth. The the Compendium or encyclopedia smallest sector PD of Hadoop, in which he collected over 14,000 Howdy. Shell Barney quite rightly says he said 50% of these are authentic.
So there is some bad
But he's, he's taking them from because he's coming, you know, hundreds of years left. So he's taken from other collections. So Giovanni says 50% only are authentic, the other 50% are very weak or fabricated. They don't source it. So it is a mount CLT. And the jaffery are from the Shia, who also held this opinion as
the salon de that Abu Talib died a believer.
They're the only ones
they believe have a palette. And they took from very weak or fabricated reports, yet showing that it actually uttered like la Illallah before he passed away. So this led to a difference of opinion on the Muslim. This is within the Muslim Omar talking about. Yeah, but I'm telling you which other the sort of heads the main sources certainly security is a big source because many people refer to a map. So
this is a great scholar nevertheless. But this was his opinion, but its opinion is clearly clearly Bartl unacceptable, it's not an acceptable opinion against strong ahaadeeth which come No, not only from once a happy but a variety of Sahaba which are authenticating, bahala. Muslim at least, to counter this. Even one of the weak reports that comes with idna is harc himself. Remember if there sir, the retro sera we'll see even that report, which is a broken chain, therefore, it's weaker rejected, even that corroborates the idea that he died a disbeliever. So other very weak and fabricated ones try and claim that he was he died a believer. Similarly amongst the youth, he also
wrote a book about the prophet SAW slums parents, mother and father actually being raised up from the grave, and doing Shahada at the hands of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam and then they died again and were buried again. This is very famous, you know,
you know hurdlers there are many people who believe this. Because it's a it's a story perpetuated. Because people like the idea or the mother or father of
how can they be measuring? How did How can you test so it's emotion that leads people to say I love that story will have that. You see what I'm saying? So it's you have to be very careful where the sources are. So amongst you two wrote a book, this is one of his books. raising of the prophet SAW some parents who then took Shahada in the hands of receivers.
And then went back again what we have authentic, sorry,
authentic or we have authentic one thing we do have for the Prophet Aslam said that I asked permission from Allah to allow me to visit my mother's grave.
And I asked for permission to for me to ask for forgiveness for that Allah gave me permission to visit the grave, but he didn't give me permission to ask forgiveness for
that song. Okay.
That in itself has to be interpreted as well Oh, by the way,
because that doesn't necessarily mean she's going to help by by the way.
Because other hobbies will come into part now on play.
From the port prophesized in the famous Hadith, which he mentions for people will have an excuse on the Day of Judgment before Allah. Yeah, one of the four.
The four are the one who was deaf, said yeah, Allah, your message came I never heard it.
The second is the one who say yeah, so love Allah. I was
I didn't have money. I was senile. I lost my mind mentally ill you know. So the message came and I couldn't pick from it.
Yeah. And the other The third is the one
a person who dies as a child.
I see personal data the child will be given a forgiveness anyway know, one of the main ones from these four is a person the prophesizing who dies in the gap.
Mamata fill, fill a gap means
here means between messengers, when the message has been corrupted, message was corrupted. Before the prophet SAW some kid had a corrupt message, wherever they're going to get belief from. Yeah, so those the person who died in the factory in the period where and that first truck can be
It means I didn't receive your message. It also includes I received a corrupted message. Yeah, perhaps so we're giving? Yeah. So I didn't get the right message, perhaps. So it can include all that in the interpretation. So the publicized, some sent on the Day of Judgment.
Allah subhanho wa Taala, the Hadith goes on, we'll take from them a word from them their agreement, that He will send them a messenger there and then on Day of Judgment,
send these people who will make an excuse y'all, I didn't get your message. So I'll I will take an agreement from them to send them a messenger there and then yeah,
and, and that they should obey the messenger.
Yeah, the Hadith goes on. So Allah sends a messenger prophesize from said, and a messenger says, step into this fire.
It's not an easy task is it?
Said, and if they step into it, because Allah second agreement, you must obey this messenger. And if they step into it, they will step into coolness, in the fullness of gender. That's, that's something another chance those people have been given. So if we take this idea, with even the parents, even though you're not allowed to ask forgiveness for them, yes, the other Heidi's can cover us to the end, even though we don't know for sure.
We don't say we know that the parents of the prophet SAW Some are going to be in
paradise. Oh, hell, they're not. We don't have that. The only thing we do have on this issue, but puppies are some senate as well. And Allah interpret that as well. Because a man comes believer and says jasola Where is my parents? My father.
He said, the soloist Aslan said your father and my father in hellfire.
This is authentic. But Allah interpreted and says Abba in Arabic doesn't always mean my direct father. above my forefathers.
You understand? Arabic language has to be taken? Yeah, in its interpretation. It's not as simple just to translate it and say, because here, many of them are says that we don't know for sure. Even then, because the promises are using in a general sense that your forefathers in case your father and my forefathers are in hellfire. Yeah, which forefathers from them. A Buddha could be a metallic, he already confirmed. I'll tell you in a minute how he did. So he could mean them, but not necessarily his own father.
It could mean that as well. But it's not absolute. It's not absolute. In other words, we don't give despite that statement, a verdict and say that the prophet SAW some mother and father in hellfire.
Whereas I'll tell you for Abu lahab you can say, Why can I say
grace telling him? I can say for Abu Talib, I'll tell you why.
We have authentic ideas as to what happened from behati Muslim reported by Sahaba like Messiah. Messiah was one of the Sahaba but he wasn't there he could he converted to Islam later on. in Medina, he wasn't there at the time of the death of Stalin.
Some people try to criticize that and say, Well, he wasn't there wasn't an eyewitness. Yes, so we can't accept this.
This is nonsense. This is called mersal hadith of Sahaba. morsel of Sahaba means a Sahabi who's transmitting something they weren't an eyewitness to it. But
the owner of Hadith have a ruling which is clear that morsel of Sahaba is accepted as being authentic, because Sahaba their trustworthiness and reporting has been accepted that they don't lie, and many Sahaba took from other Sahaba when the narrating is saying this is what happened. They don't just make it up.
If we were to reject more sub Sahaba we would reject so many Hadith perhaps 90 odd percent of the alita Abdullah abass Yeah, others of Omar Omar others cusabo learn from each other what the prophesied, some said or did, and even historical facts. So to challenge this hadith is number one wrong in principles and in rules of Hadith. Number two, he wasn't the only one who said it. We have authentic report from a bus from a bus. The other uncle of Rasulullah sallallahu is the brother of a brother of Abu Talib.
And we have authentic reports from who
Some of the level one authentic directly from them all saying the same thing. Ali Donilon, for example, he says, When my father whenever he said when Abu Talib died, I came to the zoo last the last time I mentioned him Alana said
America in America shape doll Automat to quote he said
at least two young boys hardliner
even though it is his father who protected this, he said to the Messenger of Allah, he said,
misguided old uncle has died. He says that
your misguided old uncle has died? Because he knew he didn't embrace Islam.
How Why would he say that? If he died a Muslim? This is his son. Doesn't he know?
This is what absolutely smashes the idea of the master up and others yet because there's something in himself. So the prophet SAW someone said to him, okay, go and bury him. Go and bury your father.
So he's telling him because he wants to just solve you know, ignore he's a no go and bury your father. Yeah, that's one. The other is the IDF, which I mentioned from Messiah, but others that on the deathbed, honorable palate, the prophesized okay.
But when he came, I would like about one or two others of the Jad who go forward as well. They're his generation as well.
So the prophet SAW someone said to him, and we don't know how many times he said it, but he was there with him for some time, a diesel mentioned the statement. Don't tell you how long you spent that how many times you perhaps came.
But we know he tried some of the lie. So you said, say the word Shahada. And I will be a witness for you on the Day of Judgment, even though you're on your deathbed.
Even though you're in desperate prophesizing I'll be a witness you've got forgiveness upon.
But Sorry, sorry.
all this about?
The wall Islamic
Muslim because he didn't take a message. father wasn't Muslim because he didn't accept the
parents. The idea that certain people
already saw him. Do you know what I mean?
Already by another state, those who are going to call themselves say as and when people are saying that today though.
Those only who believe and follow my way and those who don't will be punished. He said to his daughter, there's no guarantee that even the parents
will come to that will come to Ibrahim will Islam others I'm finished with the topic. Yes.
So what happened in this authentic report is that Abu Jalan said I will journal and who knows others who are with you saying
anta Talib and michelotti Abdul muttalib.
Same to otology Are you going to turn away from the religion of the Muslim up to what will ultimately be respected by everybody see, he's big. And his it's his father,
isn't it? Yeah, even their respect of the Muslim. I will jot it all down. So the using that emotional back was our forefather like up to woodland and you're gonna turn away from it. So the user emotional blackmail
on him. He is an indication also that unlike I remember listening many years ago, and maybe maybe Shannon's as changes beyond the use of many Syrah as he was talking about Abdullah motley, he clammed up the luckily was a more more head. He believed in one God.
This is a grandfather prophesied. We have no evidence for that.
We have the evidence to the contrary. I've just given you.
You understand, be careful what you claim because you loved the messenger and his father and he's an adult Muslim was and will feel great things. You know, Allah protected the Kaaba through him etc. Whatever. doesn't totally make him into a believer in one God. The app naff the ones who believe in one God they're already mentioned I mentioned their names to you up to McCullough was an amongst them. So when you make that claim, this authentic it is actually smashes the claim. Because I will call him Abu Talib is being pulled in by Abu Jamal claiming Why don't you follow up the Muslim carry on? Meaning being a mushrik
Yeah, be emotionally
otherwise they wouldn't use his name would that if he was known as more more head, one who believed in one God, they will be using his name would
you understand Follow me. So, so in the end, the Hadees carries on that Abu Talib said if I do this, if I was to take your word, then these people think I'm afraid of death of something, you know, you went back into is whatever reason we don't know, this is what he said. So he said Allah michelotti Abdulmutallab, that's how he died on the religion of October, which is the diagnostic.
So, I probably saw as he walked away, he said
in the last run like
surely I will ask forgiveness for you,
until I am prevented or forbidden from doing
until I am prevented verbatim from the Alaska forgiveness.
So, this narration as I said has been mentioned by a few a few Sahaba. generation in a minute is hardly
mentioned which is not authentic, by the way, but you'll see it in a minute sock, most famous version of Syrah. He says that as the prophet SAW some walked away a bus was also happened to be there a bus is still a disbeliever remember, listening?
A bus system a disbeliever. So in a sock says that as a bus, Ben came chasing after a soloist and said
he was he whispered something and I put my ear and I heard him say the words that you were asking him.
What is the prophet SAW Some said? I didn't hear
even in this narration.
Yeah. What does that mean? I didn't hear him rejected. Even if you accept this, but this is not authentic. This narration is made up.
It is not authentic.
Aside from that, a bus inauthentic. Atif says to the Prophet Isola. He used to protect you your uncle's brother.
Yeah. He used to protect you. He used to get angry for you. Yeah. What benefit was it for him? What benefit? What benefit Did you give him?
The prophesies from said the benefit I gave him? The he'll be in the least worst of the fires of hell.
So it shows you the fire of health has different levels as well. Otherwise, he would have been in the lowest lowest of health eyes from an African and the worst of our enemies. Otherwise, obviously he would have been in the worse so that's what benefit it gave him he'll be in the least of the firewall. And another authentic added when I was messing the prophesized of them said I hope that my shafa
my intercession for him will will lead to the Abu Talib will be in Hellfire wearing shoes made a fire is the fire of hell will only come to his ankles
the fire what's always say all these are hobbies by the way authentic what they're all saying that he died a believer Not at all. So it's absolutely clear cut from all the evidences promises on the fire, it will make a shoot where choose a fire and the fire of hell will come to his ankles. But in one of these studies he said that mech is bred by him.
But it could be even worse. So the L Hellfire has levels as well.
Now, when the prophet SAW Some said I will ask forgiveness for you until I'm prevented from doing so that Allah smart Allah revealed.
Araya in suit October through October number nine is Ahmed Massoud revealed in Medina but this ayah in this surah was revealed in Mecca.
from this surah Yeah, these two if in fact were revealed in Mecca. Why Allah smarter than reveal
you he said
let me show you Makana Linda de Waal levina Armando a Stanford all mushrikeen Willow can Holy corba membaca maccabean Allahu unknown as hobble Jaffe team,
if he's not fitting for the Prophet, and those who believe that they ask forgiveness for mushriks idolaters even though they're being
relatives, even though they be relatives close relatives after it has become clear that they are the companions of the Fire
after it become clear that they are companions of the Fire
well Matt Can I start a llama kindness stick Pharrell Ibrahim Ali abbyy, Illa and mobile and mo Ada tin and Merida team. Yahoo fala Mata de la la who Anna who Abu lilla, Tara amin, in Ibrahim, la, la, la Wah, Holly and the Stefan asking forgiveness for his father, Ibrahim. Because some said
when the problems are some some report mentioned did his take part in some other Star Trek doing this thick file asking forgiveness for their majestic ancestors. So Allah and they use the argument. They said, well, Ibrahim also did it as well for his father. So last month, I clarified by sending these ayah that it's not even fitting for the prophet to do it. For his relatives.
Yeah, after it's been made clear. For mushrik relatives. It's very important the wording mushrik relatives, even though they'll be near relatives after it's been made clear that they are companions of the Fire.
How is it made clear?
Some Sahaba and hubby said when he died once he's died emotionally?
Yeah, when they're alive is a different ballgame. Because I can still believe but usually you ask for guidance for them, don't you? Yeah, but this is the condition is mimbar de matar Brianna, anonymous hobble Janine, after it's been made clear and evident that they are companies of the fire. Yeah.
couple of things.
The majority Olimar followed this to mean after mushrik Idolator has died.
And here we have to ask,
even when an idolater dies for us, do we really know that the companies or the fire
wasn't worried that the prophet SAW some knew for sure that he was because he's saying it? I will tell him we said it about him. He's gonna be in the fire. Yeah. Do we know that about everybody else? We don't for sure doing
and he, Allah say minbar, the maccabean tobiah means absolutely clear that they're going to be companies in the fire. That's the condition.
So even though majority said death of a mystic means that it's clear, we don't know for sure because it's linked with Rasulullah saw us on this even though it says and for the for believers.
So you can take from a general a general meaning of it,
that perhaps we should still out of course, precaution stay away from those who die mushriks mushrik is very important here the word Muslim is not saying for fall,
or go for a non Muslim other.
But almost except so far.
You follow me?
idolatry is a kind of gopher
Is that right? But all kuffar not mostly?
Because it could be careful of a Unitarian Christian.
They believe in one God they don't believe in the Trinity.
There have been Christians like that right from the time to this day unitary. They believe in one God they don't do shift.
Yeah, but they reject the finality of Mohammed Salah Salaam as a messenger and a co founder. If they get the message and reject him, I think go far. Yes. And the mushriks No, they're not. This is mushriks idolaters. Why? Because a lot smarter sent in the Quran.
In the law, federal law and you should be
well aware yet
Yeah, hello, hello, yes. And you should occur and you should be. Surely Allah does not forgive the one who was associated and those idols shook with him.
Yeah, well you have to do Madonna chronically Manisha He forgives Aside from that, or whoever he wills and we know that Alison valdemar No, that shouldn't be the only thing yeah on the knock offer but schilke which is covered, but it's the kind of cover so this here the I am mentioning ship mushrikeen specifically, and yes, that Pharaoh Lil mushrikeen Welcome Ali Baba main body Mata biome unknown as hobbled Janine and Ibrahim Alayhi Salam made a promise, even though he got treated so badly by his father and his people that they threw him in the fire, etc.
that he when he left he said, I will ask for forgiveness from you. So Allah saying that was a promise that he made until it was made clear from a lot to him that he died your father and mushfiq he stopped.
He stopped asking forgiveness for him.
Also, and I'll come back to this point in a moment also the other idea that was revealed at the time of mortality dying
the area in Surah. Crysis
Yeah, so number 28 verse 56, Allah smart Allah revealed this ayah as well. As is mentioned in authentic hadith as Verbal nozel for the situation religion, I just want to say in Nicoletta de man, while our Pinilla yeah yadi manga wahala will butadiene, Surely this is saying to the Messenger of Allah, surely you cannot guide the one that you love.
Not was guidance in the Prophet sand. No, this is showing you that you are not going to guide the one you love. But Allah guides whom He wills manjusha. And he is best aware of those who are rightly guided.
He's best aware of those O'Reilly. So it took away the idea that the prophet SAW some, some colleagues made him you know, get guidance, which is what
Massoud was trying to refer to earlier on. No guarantees. You're not deciding Allah. He knows what's going on. And it's his power and his control. And his guy, he's the one who guides we do the data, as opposed to assume was the mobile lady
who's transmitter but guidance is from this. And it's not that Allah doesn't guide them on purpose. It's something within them that stops them being guided. That's what Allah means. Because they had guidance become a forceful thing, that there's no such thing as guidance.
So that's the other IRA was revealed in this regard. Now.
not doing a spec file and notice it's saying specifically asking for forgiveness. It didn't say making go up.
It is not right to do is take FAR Oh ALLAH forgive the mushnik because Allah is saying, I will not forgive shirk.
So no point asking for forgiveness for the mushrik is a is a
Allah majority applied this for Muslim scheme and the included angle Kitab in it
and we'll get that meaning meeting Jews and Christians. Others however, said no. Based on what Firstly, other Jews doing check,
not hold you to shut come perhaps majority don't. So to include them in it, you're on tricky ground. Second, they also said that even for Christians doing Sure, Allah smiled on knew the trinity of the Christians. He didn't use that as an exception.
When he gave permission despite when Allah says, Allah tanco mushrikeen A Hatha Yoga men do not marry mushriks until they believe yet what it is? And will
he allow you to marry the woman from Allah?
So those will Amar said look, yeah, here, this mushriks General, but these are Christians so Allah gave exception. No, they're mostly care allowed to marry from the women. But you're allowed to marry even though the Trinitarian Christians from
nobody, nobody can reject that because Quran came clear, without any condition for that. Yeah. Even if the Trinitarian Unitarian Christians by the way.
So those are set look that's an exception and perhaps for Al Kitab. That exception can be given to us forgiveness.
Yeah, perhaps it can. But we don't have just the word the best I think we don't have just the words of asking a stick for for people doing the art is wider than that as well. Or loving, merciful. Is that unrealistic?
Can I say for a mystic Allah, Lord of the worlds it is your creature? Is my uncle or is my arm or is ill be merciful Yama. Does that come under this?
No, it doesn't. Many Muslims don't understand this. They think we can't see a damn thing. But it's very specific. It is very specific. Number one, you see another example from he sallallahu sallam.
He mentions in East Allah Islam he mentioned in the Quran in surah number five al makhija verse 72. Allah says la carta Catherine Lavina Paul in Allahu will mercy whippin A Marian wirkkala mercy Jani is ra e la boo la hora de la boom in LA who menu slick bill la he forgot how Ramallah who led to a legion. One man who now wanna live volley Minami.
Allah wa says, indeed. They have disbelieved those who say surely Allah is Jesus.
Allah if Jesus, they have disbelieved here, that Jesus son of Mary is God and Messiah Jesus Himself said, all children of Israel worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely the one who associates with Allah do should quit Allah. Allah has forbidden Jenna for them. The Quran is saying that another part of the Quran Allah calls them mushrikeen those who do this yeah, but still because of my hookipa What's my point anyway, carry on? Well, Matt Well now and their place aboard is the fire and they wrongdoers will never have any help. These are wrongdoers later on in the same surah he Salah Islam knows these are the Christians who twisted the message. Yeah, after saying asking Allah
asking on the Day of Judgment, did you tell them to worship you and worship your mother? And after that conversation, look what he says at the end of the surah install Islam.
Verse 118, Allah last night I mentioned or East LA style says he says, into a Zeebo home, fine.
Wine top Fiddler home for in Mecca and tell Aziz
he saw Islam. He says, If you polish from your Allah, Who is he talking about? Those who bent and twisted the message that he came with those who made him and his mother into Gods. So he's talking about, he says, If you punish them, then they're your slaves, your law, but if you forgive them,
double film this is a step up. But if you forgive them, for surely you are the mighty the wise.
You see, our messenger shows, gentleness, and love and mercy still is asking for his own must still, despite them even doing sure and using him as a god. Then he's saying to Allah, Allah, if you forgive them, well, you are the almighty dollar wise. So
if we take this
and the message from it is
really that if we want to take it at face value, then even then shook. idolatry is clear at death.
Perhaps to be safe avoid asking for forgiveness for such a person. But to say yeah, Allah be merciful. For disbelievers who are dying. Yeah. You are the Most Merciful, the most compassionate, this is your slave. And we allowed to do all of that. Yes, we are. Some people think that we're not allowed to make any kind of law for disbelievers.
But we are actually, and many convert Muslims have been told this. Yeah, they converted the man or the woman and when their mother who they love, they've tried hard dies, so you can't you can't
you can't even go to the funeral.
That's the kind of things I've been told.
And it's not clear cut like that, in fact, quite the opposite.
I'll tell you something else.
With this story, that all because it's also in sort October.
I will never be and it will come later in the story was the leader of demographics. The hypocrites in Medina
will not fix on face value trying to be claimed to be a Muslim, but hated the believers
and made it obvious many times as well as you seen.
So everybody knew from the Sahaba that he was the leader of the hypocrites. hypocrites are worse than Muslims, because they are the enemy from within. He was a citizen claiming to appear like a believer in the masjid. But he was actually undercutting the roots of the believers. We are the worse, that place is the lowest place in the fire as a province. Yes. When he died, what happened?
His Son, Abdullah, Abdullah in May obey came through a syllabus lesson.
My father's he was a believer, my father has died. Give me your shirt amiss. So we can use that as a
sort of progress as it is didn't say that hatred for person who used to abuse him in his face.
Because he gave him the shirt. Then Abdullah said something else we say your Salah, will you will you pray it? And as I pray on it,
yes. This is authentic
promises, some said yes. And when to go and
How could you?
You know what he is because he knew through revelation, the prophets Aslam, there's no doubt about this one. He knew what who he was, and therefore Sahaba knew who he was from his behavior as well. So, Omar, tried to pull us and progress on what you're doing before he was doing the janaza prayer. He said, Omar Omar said we have been forbidden.
Yeah. To ask forgiveness for them. What was over quoting Omar was quoting what came in October that Allah says
stokfella home Oh, let us start fetullah home. This is talking about when AFRICOM specifically when after going over Medina and it came in relation to a blender. Oh, lotta stuff it alone. Because before the this is a describing monastics, so you can't apply this generally everywhere. By the way. It's talking to the prophesised alum. in Medina, talking about monastics who are undercutting them, and then saying, ask forgiveness, do forgiveness for them or don't do forgiveness for them? Interested Fiddler home Sabina, Mara, la mia farrow, La Villa home? Yeah, ask forgiveness for them. Or don't ask forgiveness for them. Even if you ask forgiveness times 70 times Allah will never
Yeah, Valley can be unknown. Kapha will be la hora su li that's it because they rejected Allah and His messenger. Yeah, well, Allahu la de tocqueville fast again. Yeah, the law does not guide the people who are bent on being criminals fossick
you know what the problem is or some set to on when Omar said we're not supposed purpose Aslam said,
Omar am between two choices. Because Allah said, whether you ask forgiveness for them, what do you don't ask forgiveness for them? So I'm going to ask forgiveness on some level.
He said that, in one version, he said, and I'm going to ask forgiveness more than 70 times because Allah said even if you have forgiven them for 70 pounds, so the Prophet says I'm going to ask even more than 70
Ramadan, Al amin,
and another statement, the prophesized
I'm said separate from this he said Had I known that asking more than 70 times forgiveness for them would mean they'd be forgiven I would do so.
So anyway, promises some stone and did the janazah and the Sahaba join and after that Allah God revealed
a few is on wala to sell the Allah Minh whom Mata Abba and do not pray janaza prayer on them any one of them when they die ever again wala Allah povery he in the home cafaro we'll learn we're assuming your motto home farcical, same thing. They don't stand on the grave stand on the grave doesn't literally mean that you don't go and stand it. It means stand on the ground making the law for them. By the way. This is expression use. Not literally you can take it literally I can't even stand near the grave over this believer or look at a headstone I'm standing near the grave. It's not talking about that standing on the grid means making.
So that meant not to happen for other monastics referring to the Prophet sallallahu Sallam or not because we don't know whom an ethics are doing.
These if I haven't given you me room like the prophets of Salaam to go and say, Oh, he was a monastic the way he behaved. I'm not gonna go and preach and I was oppressed. Does that give me that? Do you know and I know human Africa is
our bank hatanaka on he said, yeah, that at the time the prophet SAW sir. We had believers monastics and disbelievers after he died, we only have believers and disbelievers
which are generally saying so all these people nowadays who go around when we say to your face, you disagree with an opinion with a graphic stuff for a law. What are you going to say to alarm the day of judgment?
How did you see inside the heart?
This is ignorance a little knowledge. So these are specifically linked with with a blended obey,
obey leader uncommon affix.
To conclude from that you see the story obatala how many issues it raises.
It's not so simple, so many lessons and issues in it. conclude that he definitely died disbeliever you will go to hellfire. He will be in the list of Hellfires coming Hellfire coming up to his ankles.
And to ask forgiveness for those who die as moshtix once they've died, is better to stay away from that for disbelievers. Otherwise, you are allowed to ask forgiveness. Certainly even for mystics who died don't ask for a stick far but to pray to Allah otherwise for mercy. Yeah, for is absolutely fine.
You've been itching to ask me a question about Muslims who do not knowingly
by what I mean by that.
They follow a holy mother saying whatever whatever he says, He said that guy will take me to heaven.
Two things here. One is because you said not knowingly. Well, when you said words are very important, very important, but some people not I'm thinking, in my mind, they're ignorant.
And they can be there people before we go to that, Allah, Allah mouth caliber, they're divided.
shirk and kufr into two kinds, which is good
as well. And I explained to you
so they said
they called it the fog act and what are
the big nifa hypocrisy and the small hypocrisy? What is
the fog Akbar is the father of electrical very
munafo the one who really in their heart and a lot they do not believe they hate Islam. They just pretend to be Melissa. That is the fact asker they said is like mythical character. The prophet SAW so many mentioned that you know
ayatul monastic selasa the signs of a monastic hypocrite are three. Yeah, ilaha COVID. What either Wagga
character when they speak, they lie when they make a promise that breaking Why, why is that tahmina Han and when they're given a trust, a trust so
Allah Masha This is the fact of character, they may be believers are they believers who believe inside in their heart and a lot of masculine after a while that for shorter is because majority of them are believers who when they do that they don't actually become monastic they are not a puppet of the that caliber, because they believe in messenger, but the hypocrisy of characters.
Now shark is also divided simply by all a man to ship Akbar ship axilla. Shark Akbar is to say, like the Quraysh, and the Hindus, I believe in a God but we worship these idols. That is not the ship that the Muslims do. That is not a Muslim. Majority of the Muslims do a kind of ship like you're saying he will take me and pray to him at the grave or whatever, but they believe in Allah, Allah who asked them is this man? Yeah. Like the gods of the Hindu? Are you worshiping this month? They will never say they will never say it. So there is an element of ship with the ship as well. Yeah. So we'll leave that between them and alone. Nobody ever said that. We don't do slothful janaza on
very dangerous road to go down.
So that will be defined in the last term a ship acido. Not that it's like, I'm not saying that just like Fisk just like breaking promises, etc. and all these things are from fisken fasik. Yeah, and many Muslims who live a life never pray, do steal robbers, the murderers are in prison when they die. Do we do the falafel dinners on them? Yes, we do.
Then the same? Same.
We don't we don't have
any other questions. If you said, if one of us
has taken the Shahada would have been that as a Muslim. If who said the Shahada
if he said it, yes. If he said, if he said he would have done
Yes, that's the amazing thing. Yes. Because the prophet SAW some sector him give me the Shahada. I will be your witness on the Day of Judgment. There are people that have been said for example, you know, even even even here now, even here now, if, if my mother in law was on her deathbed, what do you think I'll be trying to an adult we were trying to do my mother in law, by the way is a non Muslim.
I'll be trying to get her to show the Shahada before she dies.
Yes, of course you would.
But of course, the idea isn't that I sit there and you know, I plan that nobody can do that. You don't play games with a law? If somebody's born Muslim Yes.
You're only going to eat and then don't do anything I
was born Muslim. There is no born Muslim. You become a Muslim when you become conscious. If you mean born in a Muslim family. That's a different matter. Because Eman is about when you're conscious and aware when you become an adult you become question Oh, what the law
everybody's born. What they mean by that? What they mean by that is different. The innocent the mean, I'm not saying the ones who are children are going to be unsuitable but they're not Muslim as such until they submit and surrender consciously. The what the what the prophesies, are they born on the fifth drop the ball on the nature, they are innocent. In other words, it's later that they become Christian Jew, submit or or agnostic or rejection or whatever they become, but it's dumped you grounded.
I know somebody and he said well, I don't need to pray for my peace and I don't need to pray he's gonna sort that out for me. So to explain that, don't you ground whatever. Whether you say you're Muslim, you believe in Allah, whatever. You don't pray because somebody else is gonna, if some, some period said he doesn't need to pray. It's very bad. It is very dodgy ground that is covered. That is covered the words, but we still don't call the period of capital.
We say you are uttering words of copper. Day, brother Day of Peace.
You are uttering words against the
police. So here Yes, I'm with you. But we have to be careful as we don't
overstep the mark and say he's blood, his blood has become allowed to spill.
Who said that? You see? Yeah, that's what they say now or Look, he's on call for his coffee. We can spill his blood and there are plenty of lunatics out there.
We'll do that exactly. But to say that, you know, we'll be alright. I think No, no, no, no, we don't accept that in the slightest. It's against Quran. And Sunnah.
As you sit in that door, I don't want to keep it long, you know, forgive my, my parents, and they don't do anything that was saying that some parents don't do anything that children could be more than 100%.
Of course you do.
That's the way
because, because, because because Shahada is a big thing, brothers and sisters.
Shahada is a big thing.
Don't forget that. That's what the prophet SAW Some say, of course, Shahada. That's not to give you an escape, your Shahada has to lead to good good things. That's the point of it by Shahada itself, the belief, real belief in Allah knows if you really got it, even if you're a weak believer, but Allah knows whether you've got the belief. It's a big heavy thing on the Day of Judgment.
I think it's your ending that matters, then you can do whatever you like. But if you know,
we just missed all. That was a half an hour discussion on it. I'm not gonna repeat
that at least half an hour.
About 45 minutes of that.
sorry, more than we love you. But if I start repeating that, because it's not a simple answer to give you like that.
Yes. Last question. Question.
just wants to ask you about if a Muslim was to commit a sin
with intent, or sometimes do they leave the shade of a mind and become a prefer for that? duration is not at all. We never say that.
People who were away from
Yeah, because it didn't make them into car forever. Right. Yeah. And that brings me back to carry on down.
So we don't say never leave. No, no, no, no.
No, we never said that. We come either within
the famous Sadiq of
when he said y'all can
publicize them said one of the c'est la la la la will enter Paradise
wouldn't be safe.
zenna Oh, Sonic, even if he commits adultery, adultery, Xena, this means on purpose or steals. The prophesied said even if he commits adultery
three times keep saying what what? Even if he does adultery and steals
obviously said yes, the last time you said even if it's against doesn't sit with your you know, head and you find it so disdaining or be done even if it's against the idea that it does go in his head, he will go to Paradise.
So belief is such a strong and powerful thing. They said he didn't come to you to encourage you to go and do Xena and start stealing don't shouldn't get that messy. Also, it means the shafa of the soulless La Silla. Also it means that people can change from after being as Zani don't write them off that they're going to Hellfire or if they've been a thief that that's a what would people start doing? Yeah, also it means that people are sick we're believers can go to hell farm be taken out and eventually go to Paradise doesn't it? Because they will not be there forever and ever.
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