The Trinity

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Ahmed Hamed

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In this talk Ahmed Hamed speaks about the Christian concept of the Trinity with references to the Bible and the Quran.

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And he quotes me another verse from verse number nine of the same gospel, sent gospel, chapter number 14, he says, what about that verse, which says, He that has seen me has seen the Father? I see again, Sir, you are an older person. Please look in the context. The sense of the context is knowing God is seeing God

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in a spiritual sense, not in a physical sense. If you know God Almighty, you have seen him in the language of the Bible, it is the choice of words. Otherwise, the same gospel, it says, In gospel of john, chapter five, verse 37, it says, no man has ever seen God, nor has heard God's voice. No man has ever seen God Almighty, according to the same gospel of john, chapter five was 37.

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And he was quite

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another incident of one of the mission missionary, the Christian missionary, I was discussing with him, and he told me and emphasizing that Jesus is the Son of God.

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I didn't take that in a literal sense, because as Roy rightly Reverend Dr. Joseph says, that everyone, the good and the bad, we are all God's children are the children of God.

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And the Bible says, and mentions, sons, by tongues in that matter. If you read a book of Genesis, chapter six, verse two, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they will fare, it's mentioned in Book of Exodus, chapter four, verse 22, Israel is my son, even my firstborn. If you read book of Psalms, chapter two, verse seven, David is my Begotten Son, this day have I begotten D, if you read, Gospel of Luke, chapter three, verse 38, Adam is the Son of God. And if you read book of Romans, chapter eight, verse 14, for as many are led by the Spirit of God, whoever follows God Almighty are the sons of God in the language of the Bible. And he agrees with me, but he says that

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Jesus is not like that. Every one was made by God, Adam, and everything was made by God. But Jesus is not like that. Jesus is the Begotten Son of God be gotten not made. I said, What are you trying to emphasize? What are you trying to emphasize by saying that Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, his be gotten, be gotten not made?

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And he has no answer. I said, beginning is an animal act, followed by the animal function of sex, how can we attribute such a lowly attribute to God Almighty, that Allah subhanho wa Taala he beget a son, and Allah reacts in the glorious Koran. Allah reacts very, very strongly. Allah says, In Surah Maryam surah number 19 is number 88. To 92. Allah wa Taala says, what all tacos are ramen, voila. And they say that Allah subhanho wa Taala has gotten a son or a man has gotten a son, lucky. Anita, it is the most genius thing. It is the worst thing that they could utter, tocado sama, awatea tophatter Aminu. If the sky has the feeling that you and me have, it would have burst out What a

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shock we'll argue if the earth has the sense that you and me have it would have split into us under what two heroes who da and the mountains, if it has the feeling that you and me have it will fall down into utter ruin the money

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that you say the Most Gracious, The Most pure has been gotten a son.

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And I am asking him, sir, do you know that?

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in the King James Version, in the King James Version, what you're telling me what you're quoting me is there is there as you have quoted me, in gospel of john, chapter three, verse 16.

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It says, that God Almighty has begotten Son, that For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, be gotten not made at that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. This would be gotten

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has been thrown out from the Revised Standard Version. This Revised Standard Version was revised by 32 scholars of highest me

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is backed by 50 cooperating denominations, they are telling us that that word be gotten was not found in the original manuscripts because this belongs to the most ancient manuscripts.

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I say Alhamdulillah they are coming closer, they are coming closer. One of the Father, Father choco this Monday, I happen to meet him. And during the discussion, he was explaining me the concept of God in Christianity. And he introduced the concept of Trinity, the concept of Trinity. And he started saying that it is a mystery, but we believe, I say, a God Almighty. He says in First Corinthians chapter 15. He says, God Almighty is not the author of confusion. He does not want people to be confused. God Almighty made things very clear, no mystery, clear, solid facts.

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God Almighty is very clear in proclaiming the message that there should not be any confusion to the people, because the basic need basic need for creating all the humans is to worship Him. And if we are confused, in worshiping Him, then what is the purpose? There is no point. That is the reason God Almighty God Almighty is not the author of confusion, as the Bible says. And he says, and quotes me the Catechism of the church and the Catechism of the church, his father is God, Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. But these three are not three gods, but only one gods. And he puts in goes further, he says, Father is almighty son is almighty and Holy Ghost is almighty, but they are not

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three Almighty, but only one almighty. He quotes further that God Almighty is the person and son is the person and the Holy Ghost is the person. But there are three persons, but only one person. I say what languages This is this English, sounds English, but it's not person, person, person, but not three persons, but only one person,

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only one person. And he gives me the example, as Reverend Dr. Joe Joseph, he says that being one person, he can be a principal, he can be the father, and he can be the husband in different roles, a single role God in different roles. I say, all right, you can be the person playing different roles. But the God Almighty and the Jesus and Jesus Christ and holy goes, are three distinct features. When you think about God Almighty, you don't have that mental picture of the sun. When you think about the sun, you don't have that mental picture of the Holy Ghost. When God Almighty He says that he has no partners appears, how can we go in those mysteries and interpret ourselves, that God Almighty has

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a partner more over? If the father, he knows something from that person, the husband also knows it. And the principal also knows it, but not in the case of God Almighty and Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, peace be upon him. He says, In Gospel of Mark, chapter 13, verse 32, he says that on that day, on that day, note, no man, no, not the angel, neither the son,

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but the father, only Jesus Christ, please be upon him. He is trying to say that his

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knowledge is limited. He is not all knowing. But his Father, Who is in heaven, is all knowing in father is a metaphorical term. He's not a literal Father, for example, in the courts, in the courts, we say, the advocates, they say that, my Lord, my Lord, that does not make that Lord, a God. That does not make that Lord a god. In the same way, Jesus Christ peace be upon him and the people at that time, as the Bible says in Matthew, chapter 23, verse nine, that do not call anyone your father on the face of the earth, but your father is one that is in heaven. This is the choice of words they used to use. It does not have that physical relevance.