Patrick Bet David Renegotiates Terms

Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah categorize before we start, many of you will know that there's been some devastating natural disasters that have been taking place. One in Morocco, and one Libya. I've seen some of the scenes, some of the videos, honestly, the heart wrenching, heartbreaking things to watch. I can't even watch them. That's how bad it is. But we have a responsibility upon us. I have responsibility and you guys have responsibility. What kind of people would we be? If we just watch something like that, and we have the capability. We'll take a seconds yes seconds to make a massive contribution to the victims of such disasters and we decide not to, I will leave links in the

description below. Please find it within your heart to not only give charity but to make up for the victims of this natural disaster. Salam aleikum. Wa Rahmatullah let's start off with and this is, again, with the permission of Patrick and David, he, we're not going and having a meeting and and talking about privacy things that were discussed, we had a prior, we did start off as a private meeting between myself, yourself and him. And another individual, Robert there. And from there, we concluded, at the end, we had some good things. It was a very great positive meeting. And he said, go ahead and discuss some of the things that we talked about with his permission. So where would you

like to begin? Well, I mean, let's begin with, you know, what happened? Exactly. So maybe we would have seen the video, I mean, Ali Dawa, basically talking about this negotiation that took place, and it was weeks and weeks long, these negotiations between us and value tainment relating to a debate between us and some interlocutors about in the first instance, about Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So we agreed to such encounter and discussion. But then there was some, some problems that say, in the, in the negotiations in the boundaries, settings, between us and, and the other party. And we felt like the kind of deal that we were getting was a real one. And so we decided to,

to move away from it altogether, because we thought that, you know, for example, we had inequality in the numbers of people that were going to be representing Muslims, comparative to the amount of Christians that were going to be the, if we include the hosts and the CO hosts and stuff like that. We had a topic which wasn't set and was yet to be set. There wasn't even a guarantee of equality of timing, which is standard in professional debates, and stuff like that. And we kept asking some of these questions, and we didn't get a satisfactory response. And so because we felt more and more frustrated by the whole experience, we decided to bring the matter to the public. And we you know,

because of that, and other things, we decided to speak to Patrick, face to face about on zoom with you, of course, as a moderator. I think that was your initiative, and you should be given credit for that.

Yeah. Because I think you see things that we don't see obviously, being in America, having spoken to him haven't had private conversations with him. And to be honest with you, in that conversation, he came across as extremely facilitating, he came across as extremely humble, and generous, magnanimous. And so if anyone shows us that level of energy, I think it's only right for us to respond in kind. And he was very concessionary, in fact, saying that, you know, all of those aspects that we've spoken about, the topic can include both Christianity and Islam, that there'll be a co host, and that you would be the co host. So it would be instead of Patrick, but David being

the only person to host it, it would be you and Patrick, but David, which would be which would kind of distribute

the bias if you like, and create more of a, an equal playing field, as it were. And critically, as well, that we could actually use the footage for our own social media platforms. And so the, we could potentially

put it on our channels, which will, which would increase the, obviously the region and would be better for everybody, as well. And this would prevent any potential distortion that could happen.

That, you know, in the potential debate, which we don't think that Patrick would go that far and do to be honest, based on the conversations we've had with him, and based on his track record, they will distort, especially considering the fact that he actually did in the first instance, actually say that it was going to be live anyway. So that was a mitigation that we put in place in the first instance. But with all those things having been said, it sounded much more agreeable, frankly. And in fact, by the end of the conversation, we had a broader conversation about Muslim Christian interlocutors where we suggested William Lane Craig and Ben Shapiro.

Euro, and he has links to Ben Shapiro has just been on his show. And as many people will know, I've had many videos, you know, refuting Ben Shapiro on his Palestine issue on the Palestine issue, and so on. So that will be a massive, you know, kind of debate if you like or discussion that could potentially happen along the line as well. So there's, there's good to come out of this. But since we're still in the kind of negotiation stage, and we're solidifying everything, and there's a few things we have to take care of, from our perspective in the United Kingdom, we cannot update the public with an exact date and time as to when the engagement will take place with whom and what the

topic will be, or whatever, until all these things are set in stone. But the point to be noted here is the point to be noted here is that, quite frankly, he was facilitating, and it does seem like Patrick, bet, David, and value tainment want to go more in the direction of building bridges with the Muslim community, tackling some of these issues? For example, the issues to do with transgender ideology, and, you know, teaching LGBT curricula to children, and things like that, whichever one, let's call it more than say, conservative because we're not conservative. From a ideological perspective, I certainly were traditionalists, and we aligned more on those issues with us

conservatives, than we would do with liberals agree on. So that's really the gist of the meeting was a productive meeting, a fruitful one at that. And it's only fair, just as we came out in public, to reprimand and to criticize Patrick, but David Foster, come out and do the same thing.

When he's been so concessionary with us.

You know, a lot of people, you when you look at that, that's the honorable thing to do. And that's what we're called to do as muslims. I mean, that's, you know, that's something that now obviously, anyone who's extended, we've i, and I've commended him actually. And I've seen his progression. He's come a long way from years ago, some things that he said, and then we've also respectfully, you know, presented the arguments academically, I've gone and we made some videos, and then you've have also, and I think that things are starting to turn for the better I've compared to like Joe Rogan, you remember me and you have I think we've learned together some things to Joe Rogan. Yeah, me and

you got some programs. And Joe Rogan, it looks like he really did a turn. It's one of the most popular religions in the world. But it's also it's a religion that embraces discipline, you go through Ramadan, you're not eating all day, you're not drinking any water all day, that belief system helps people remember, he was having a lot of Islamophobes. And he was just really one sided. But him also he was talking recently, you've done some videos on that. And we give credit where credit is due because we're not trying to remain in some hostile environment. I mean, of course, we're going to call people out for their mistakes, their blunders, we've tried to do it in a

respectful manner, hoping that the door is open, that if the people want to come respectfully, and sit with us, talk with us, not just talk about us, talk with us, and we're have a seat at the table. And I think this is going towards that path for the greater good. The greater picture that you're not on the public may not know that there was a time where Joe Rogan was actually on his show. And he had a particular t shirt on which had the word Reds have it on it. Is it Reds have it right? You remember? Yes, yes. I thought to myself, this looks unbelievable. Where's this familiar and I realized what Eddie Reds have it so he had your surname? That was my last name. Why did he so tell

me why did he have your surname on his T shirt?

I was just wondering I said Look how Allah God Almighty these are like signs as a sign for him. I don't know he had he had little he had like my those for my school. He had my result because jiu jitsu t shirt on his. We put we pointed that out. We got some we got some jujitsu going. We got some nutrition here. The only one I mean, yeah. Well, I'm not the only fan of your jujitsu. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'll be fun. Because, I mean, we've got someone who's actually you know, who was wearing your T shirt. I mean, let's take a look at this. Oh,

hey, that's our buddy. We were actually that's our friend Joe Rogan. That's your T shirt, though, isn't it? Yeah, that is our t shirt. Yes. Your surname on that. That's my surname. And yeah, that's my last name. Because you made a video right with one of the with one of the machines. Before about about Joe Rogan. Some of his

some of the things that he said about Islam? Yeah. What do you think this is a kind of peace offering or is it? I don't know. I think you know, like I like I mentioned in the video we did. Yeah, we really wanted to reach out to Joe. Yeah, in a benign a nice kind way. He shows you something very important, which is that the work that you're doing at the deen show, and the work that's been done in terms of trying to put our to kind of put our two cents if you like in the narrative is having such an impact that someone like Joe Rogan, who's considered to be like the top podcasts or maybe in the United States.

Maybe one of the top leading ones in the English speaking world,

that he's actually putting your T shirt on. I think it's to be honest, I think it's a sign of respect. I think he's done that, because he's seen your videos, he's clearly seen our videos together that what we've put forward, and he's put that on to show Look, we're not against each other. I think he's done that as a sign of respect. And he also respects the fact that you're also a Brazilian jujitsu practitioner, people don't know about you, I don't know how many stripes you've got. Now, a black belt is a five stripe for stripe. So for degree, which is for those who don't know, that is, it takes years and years and years to achieve that that is, you know, that takes more

than 10 years to achieve for the average person, maybe 1213 years. And so he respects that because he's a black belt himself. And he sees a Muslim and he sees many Muslims, like yourself in the UFC and so on, coming on his coming on and speaking about his religion in a very respectful way, which shows you that your approach has reached the highest levels already, which is something you should be really proud of a handler of Laremy

alhamdulilah may, may Allah God Almighty accepted from you from me from all of us, and continue to bless his work and tell me so you being now in a position where we've come a long way having this emergency meeting. And now, some of these names that you've mentioned, hopefully they'll put this together. Why is this important? Why is this and how is this something this is historic? I think it is. And you were mentioned, you were you were mentioning, you were mentioning, like if you looked down 50 years, you said something brilliant, and people are not looking, you know, ahead, if you want to look 50 years, repeat what you were saying that's very common nowadays, if you look at what

what teenagers study in secondary schools, they studied the civil rights movement, because there was some paradigm shifting cultural moments. You know, this study what happened with African Americans and Saudi feminism, this study, all these kinds of things that happened in 96, in particular, yes, there was legislative change. But there was also a grassroots movement, which was important enough to be studied 50s and 60s 70 years later, I think what we're seeing with the cultural wars, nowadays, is significant enough to be a historical event. And I think that because of social media, we as the Muslims do have now a voice in that particular historical moment. And people are going to

be studying that I do believe that people could be studying this 5060 years from now, it says, historically significant, as all those things that were happening at that time, because quite frankly, it's even more watched, it's even more popular pound for pound, you know, than those things were at that time. The only thing that's not there is legislative change. But I think it's as historically significant other was going on in the 1960s. And so people will be looking at figures like Joe Rogan, and studying them, I think six years from now, potentially figures like Patrick bet, David and I said that to him, I said that people were looking at value tainment doing courseworks

and studies and theses about what was said, what was their stance, it was Muslims, and what was their stance of Jews and was there what was the stance of Christians and so on and so forth. These things are very important now, it constitutes the legacy, the cultural legacy of the history, really, the the sociological History of the United States of America, and the West in general. And we have a place on the table, as you've mentioned, and set as a Muslim. So we have to be careful how we strategize, so that we don't agree to everything, and we don't disagree to everything, we bring ourselves a favorable result, which means that we need to be wise with these things. And I think

having this emergency meeting with Patrick that David was the wise thing to do. And his response was, in turn, the wise response, I think he's a very pragmatic person, and you can't be that successful in business as he is, and have, you know, an empire of value tainment and whatever, unless you are pragmatic like that. So I think the more we think about the collective interest, the more things are gonna go right for everybody.

I like and it made sense on both sides. This is why this meeting was so important having this meeting now we can see like, what the way you were presenting everything and then he was also he got into his very transparent he was showing his emails how he gets things, you know, the short amount of time to set in the other and you really not knowing on one end who this person on the other these Islamophobes career so I'm before and then you also, you know, now it's coming down to the time that you gotta you need to know like, what's going on so you can better prepare you so you can see things, you know, from both sides. And then at the end it just coming together because these people

that were lined up, I mean, these are, these are career Islamophobes these are people with blood on their hands. These are people who now you had you know, the Andrew Brevik was it um, and he's mentioned in his Anders Brevik in his manifesto was mentioned these people so this was very sensitive.

also now that you, I mean, this is not a problem for you at the end, this is something that's your specialty and you've dealt with people like this. But it was nice to see how he had presented things. You could see where he was coming from you, and then how everything just at the end, it came out to a positive ending? Well, your thoughts about that? Absolutely. And I think I mean, the way he presented it was that he had no idea who these people were, and I have reason good reason to believe that especially in the second person who's Rashid Hemi me, he wouldn't know he was because he's most of his content is in the Arabic language. So that unless you have access to that I fairplay you

won't know who he is. But these people have had strong anti Islamic sentiments. And they, you know, they attack the Prophet of Islam. Not just that, not that not just the fact that they attack the Prophet of Islam and Muslim people, but they, they effectively try and make life harder for Muslim people in the West, I mean, some of the organization's and what they're dealing with, they are making things harder for Muslims in the West. And in a way, we can't really deal with that. And

imagine having a, you know, a podcast where the premise of it is to try and create bridges. And you bring people who, frankly, are trying to break all bridges. I mean, these people who have no interest in collaborating with Muslim people.

It was it was a bit kind of off key from that perspective. But I think the fact that we explained to him who these people were, he understood, at least where we were coming from, you know, why would why would a Muslim in the first instance be angry, that you've invited these two people, and then you've invited, then you've done these kinds of things. And then certain particulars were not very clear. It just added to the frustration, but he was very understanding. And we appreciate that. And that's what recipies is a good negotiator. And I have to give him credit where credit's due.

And you see that at the same time, before that he was talking about he had Candace Owens on you heard of Candace Owens, and every time I see so many of these conservatives, Christians come on, and they talk about, you would think she's almost she's talking to in a way that for instance, she was talking about, and this goes in under the umbrella of things that we have in common that we can talk about, and you invite us to the table to talk about these things. See the Muslim perspective, she was talking about the demonic culture now that's affecting the youth, the over sexualization of children. I'm sure you're bright, you're like, Man, you got a lot to do. We got a lot to say on

this, right? Those women of selling themselves only fans Instagram, they're just out there, but they're just naked. And looking at the cat Kim Kardashian as others as role models, and how she was a part of that lifestyle, but she changed for the better the feminine, the feminism and the the emasculation of men, the mother being looked down instead of like a home engineer, you know, choosing and she was actually asked on his program, what would you rather be a career woman or a home engineer, they say home engineer, I call it a home engineer, or a mother and she said a mother. And then she talked about so many of these things that we we just were on board with what would you

say? Absolutely. And that's what we should be looking for. We should be I mean, the Quran instructs us effectively, to look for common ground, I mean, that most common of grounds, we should be looking obviously, so heed monotheism, from a theological perspective and try and draw conclusions from that.

But these things, also things which are commonalities between Islam, and let's say, Christianity, or traditional versions of it. And at the end of the day, I mean, there's there's work to be done here. I think that we have kind of neglected the conservative community in the West. we've neglected them in the dour in a way which isn't really, I think, justifiable. We need to look at them as individuals who can contribute and we can contribute to them. Because I think that from $1 perspective from from a evangelizing perspective, we can bring a lot of them to our side, in fact, by just explaining to them that these are the ways that we live. A lot of people come Muslim just by

looking at how we as Muslims, live our lives. So I think there's a lot of work to be done.