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Palestinian and Gaza was killed.
Today be honest, I've seen the bridge. And you're left with one question for me one question. Why would any like everybody knows that when Palestinians tried to breach the Gaza fence between Israel and Canada, which is their own land?
My opinion was what happened before the Balfour convention. Why is the bar fall convention when
it's not called above the convention as above,
which had nothing to do with the creation of Israel, the paper on which Britain rewarded Monday
when it comes to the 1947 partition, my new Bolton abstained from the vote 33 nations voted to recognize Israel and 13 nations voted.
I've got friends who have Jewish friends who have lived in that region for hundreds and hundreds of years in Gaza, before they were kicked out by the Egyptians, Egyptians.
conversation really disrespectful. No problem. I mean, there's a lot of things we find disrespectful as well. One of them being is your lack of acknowledgement of Palestinian suffering. The thing is, what we can all agree upon, I think if we if we're honest and objective about the situation, if we're looking at it from the from 90, so just before we start this with, you know, I'm saying the conditions was talking is if everyone else keeps quiet, no one wants you with the phones to back you up. Because what always happens, it's maybe it's 100, as opposed to me is no 100.
Okay, so let me put my camera away as well, the last time it was two hours, and it really wore me out. All right. I was gonna say to Joseph, the first thing we all have to understand, let's just let's just state facts for a second, the facts are as follows. Yeah, that upon the invention or the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, in May, the 15th, whatever it was, there were there was a mass exodus of, let's say, 700,000 Palestinian individuals, they were displaced, and then that became 5.5 million refugees. According to the UN, we can't deny the fact that Palestinians have been displaced from a home, they had once called their own. Now, what do you want to put that down to the
Holocaust or not? That's aside the point. Actually, there's a conflation. This is a conflation. There's a conflation of different points. My point to you is, do you deny the fact that there has been a systematic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian communities from I would not even say, I won't even start from the night and 48 hours out from the night in the 1930s, up until the establishment of 90 of Israel 1948 in the form of groups like it was gun groups like the Hagana, who are meant to be the moderate version of the gun coming together premeditatedly using files, which we now have access to because of the 1998 military files that the Israeli government let loose primary source
materials, which stipulate that there's been this village files, which show that these groups that were brought before the establishment of the establishment of Israel had topographical information, demographical information, all of which outlined how many villages there were, how many people lived in those villages? And what to do to get those Arabs out of those villages and to replace those Arabs with Jews. Now, tell me, in your mind, give me one reason why that is not a racist. establishment of a state. And how that is this Jewish exclusive ionization of this, this racial prejudice that the Zionist movement has at its core, how it is not, at its heart, actually a racist
movement. Can you explain that simply say, so to respond to the many mysteries So you said that, Okay, go ahead. Okay. So if you want to talk about ethnic cleansing, the first thing you need to do is just look at things logically. So if you're looking at things logically, and you look at the areas that the Palestinians control, yeah, what now? Yeah, now area A or the guy. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Not one Jew resides.
Okay, I was quiet all the way through you. Just said, Okay. Okay. So
when the Jordanians conquered, the West Bank conquered Jerusalem. Yeah. And they conquered it and they declared apart. They declared the West Bank part of Georgia. This I'm sure you know, okay. And the British recognize this usurping of the land and declaring it as Jordanian so when the Jordanians conquered the West Bank, they enacted a law that said Jews aren't allowed to live there.
The Palestinian National Authority has continued that law and forbade any Jew from living in area A when the Egyptians conquered em Gaza in 1948. They also enacted a law which forbade any Jew from living there. I've got Jewish friends of mine that come from the garden Jewish community they were expelled from their home ethnically cleansed from their home, ethnically cleansed from the home. I was quite for you I was quite that sentence doesn't make sense in English. I just be respectful, be respectful. I was very Go ahead, sir. I was very good, sir.
and so now you look like a real ideal.
And so, Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Jordanian westbank and Jerusalem. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Now. When was that?
Oh, nine four. Yeah. Okay. Just so I know what you're talking about.
That's when Egypt conquered the land. As you know,
there were three was
conquered Gaza. That was 1948 when George confronted when Jordan conquered the West, Okay, no problem. Okay, you're either for Palestinian independence or Collison come down and continue. You either fall and finish and I'll bring this into it because you ended up to me I have to respond to that. You're either for Palestinian soldiers, you're going all over the place and you're just finished one point at a time. Okay, Mohammed, if you dictate I want to pay you if you say how I have to answer you, I want to pay you okay. I was respectful and listen to everyone.
Okay, if I didn't know English as well as you
you're just he's just getting angry. I don't know why you're getting so angry.
Just let him Let him finish Go ahead.
are all going to die and all our opinions will go
towards the truth.
So my point is very simple. Zero Jews live in the Palestinian areas, the Palestinians control 20% of Israelis are Arabs. They have complete equality. If you actually go to Israel, all the signs of in Arabic and Hebrew, okay, their rights are completely protected. They have complete equality. So if you want to talk about ethnic cleansing, do you wanna buy 20% of Israelis and Arabs, zero Palestinians you might want to do timing because I feel here that you've taken a bit more time. So I'll just respond to Anyways, this is unbelievable, ridiculous claim that you've just made here. The gaza strip is blockaded. There is a blockade on the on the Gaza Strip, people cannot go in and not
come out. You're talking about Jews don't live in Israel. That's only after 2005 where Ariel Sharon decided to take the settlements, which were illegal settlements, according to UN illegal settlements, according to the international community, not one country recognized them in Gaza or the West Bank, Ariel Sharon decided to take those loss individuals that lived in the Gaza strip out of the Gaza Strip in 2005. What you're saying is actually there's no Jews living in Gaza. What a ridiculous claim to make no Palestinian could come out of Gaza, or can come into Gaza, you're talking about no Jews coming into Gaza, as if it's some kind of tourist resort, which stops Jews
from coming in because of some anti discrimination law. How ridiculous are the claims that you're making? My friend? that's point number one. Point number two, you're talking about ethnic cleansing. He's here talking about ethnic cleansing. Tell me what ethnic cleansing means to you. For me, ethnic cleansing could either means one of two things, genocide and or expulsion from the land. Now you have to explain to me how it is that Palestinians who lived in Palestine, could possibly ethnically cleanse a Jewish immigrant community who came from Europe that makes no sense in any way, shape or form, unless you think, as biblical scholars that you and I both know, would say do think that
actually those individuals that are the Jews have an inherent biblical right to the homeland, which is that your opinion, you can explain that in your rebuttal. So if you do think that then you can potentially make a case for ethnic cleansing, but otherwise, it's the most ridiculous absurd comment that you could make in this discussion right here and right now, especially considering also that almost every two years or every once in a while, periodically, you find that the the idea is Israeli Defense Forces the IDF are they attacking bombard they already blockaded gaza strip in 2000. And in 2006, they attack Lebanon in 2014. They attacked the 2008. They attack Gaza in 2014. They attacked
Gaza and knowing full well that there was a discrepancy and disparity in the strength in the size of the military capabilities of either the Gazans and or comparative to the IDF. That is what you call ethnic cleansing. That is a systematic ethnic cleansing, which started before the before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. And continues until this day, and is only accurate, accurate as to by the political elites because of the Israeli lobby and other such forces which act as a crippling force for those who want to speak the truth. Now you can have the opportunity to speak the truth right here and now
Or you can decide to be as racist. And I'm going to use the word racist and completely unfair in terms of your, your your analysis, as you have been in considering that there's been an ethnic cleansing of Jewish people
and not an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It seems like you don't want to open your eyes to what's happening to Palestinian people, you can only have that belief, you can only have that position. If you yourself value Jewish blood more than Muslim or Palestinian blood. Go ahead. First of all, you're getting massively mixed up. Okay, go ahead and correct it in 1948. Egypt conquered Gaza. Yeah. So you said this before? Yeah, I know. But you said you started talking about the disengagement plan in 2005. We're not talking just about nine four. Yeah, I'm saying the Jews.
Jonah, Jonah, time to tell him one time and give him three minutes or three minutes.
Three minutes is good. Because that way we can we can't accuse each other all the time. Give him three minutes. Three minutes. Good for you.
Give him three minutes. I won't talk. Go ahead. So
we're kind of going around in circles, but just want to establish when I talked about the Jews being ethnically cleansed, that was in 1948 by the Egyptians and the Jordanians. And then the laws were continued by the Palestinians when they couldn't go. That's right. So you can talk about the disengagement plan, but you're confusing your dates. The second point, you started talking about actual populations being driven out of place, if you actually look at the Jewish communities from say, your country, Egypt, that's why I was told by I think you they originally from an Egyptian, the Jews were driven from Egypt, the Jews from from all of the Muslim world, we'd lived there before the
birth of Islam, and then the Muslims drove us out of those, like a million Jewish refugees had to flee to either Israel, America or Europe. Yeah, a million Jewish refugees. That's ethnic cleansing. We only need to look at simple demographics, we only need to look at how many Palestinians or how many Arabs live in Israel today. And how many Jews live in Palestinian controlled areas, or Muslim nations to witness were the real ethnic cleansing, you can put all your propaganda spin on it as you want. But numbers speak louder than words. And there is a large population of Arabs who have complete equality with their Jewish counterparts in Israel, you will not find that equality in
almost any Muslim nation, for instance, in the Jewish state that a Muslim in the Jewish state of Israel, they were Muslim politicians, they were Arab political parties, yet, you won't find that in Saudi Arabia. How many Jewish politicians are there in Saudi Arabia? How many Jewish politicians are there in Egypt? The difficult the reality is in this conversation is you can't tolerate you personally, not all Muslims. You can't tolerate a Jewish state, you would much rather we were under you like throughout history where we were the Demi and we were under you. You don't want to look at me as an equal. You want to look at me underneath you paying the jizya belonging to a Muslim state.
I didn't want that I want equality with you. I want Jews and Muslims to be equal. We come from great faith and great traditions.
Great face a great deal of sugar.
And so the difficulty here is you cannot accept the Jewish state. You cannot tolerate the Jewish state. It's that simple. And I don't need three minutes. That's okay. He doesn't need three minutes. I was very nice and easy for me. Yeah. She look he's had to resort to straw Manning my arguments. He's had to resort to inventing a discourse which was never had a narrative that was never made by me. And words that I've never said. So he said, you can't you can't tolerate this and you can't tolerate that. And you got Well, to be honest with you. Had Chaim Weizmann got his time. Okay, hi, Why's my time Wiseman? Okay, when he originally made when the proposition was originally made for
him, for the Jewish nation, to be in Uganda? And he said no, because and he wrote a full letter, which you can see online, a full letter say no. Why Why should it be Uganda when our original place of origin is Palestine? And he had the same argument that this man just had? It's a biblical argument. It's an argument of ethno
excuse me, actually, it relies explicitly on the Bible. It relies explicitly on the biblical Old Testament narrative of David, King David King Solomon which some agnostic and atheist atheistic historians don't even believe existed. So, it does rely on a biblical information, no other nation in the world makes a case for its existence using ratio and biblical
reasoning. And that is only applicable now in a secular world in the Western world, the Western Hemisphere which is meant to be secular, because the Israeli lobby and other such strong sorry another such influences have been able to
and other such influences
have been able to Yeah,
have been able to cripple the western power elites into saying and doing things they wouldn't otherwise do insane. You're talking about 1948 Let me explicitly Well, let me mention exactly what you're talking about. You're talking about the war with all of those Arab countries that went into invade. And the Gaza Strip was the only the Gaza Strip in the West Bank, were the only two things that were recovered and that was why it was it was a recovery. It was a war of recovery of land. It was not a war of invasion of land for you to think it was a war invasion of land would mean to think that you think that the complete the alibis ation of the whole of the Palestinian region, which by
the way happened if you look at the if you look at the demographical data before 1948 may 15, you'll realize that majority of dry zation has already happened. Why? Because of the plans of those terrorist groups which you fail to condemn. By the way, he failed to condemn the terrorist groups of Elgon, who everybody almost consensually unanimously agrees all terrorist organizations who worked hard and actually collaborated with with the Nazis, they collaborated with the Nazis. And he's telling me about anti semitism. They're all gone who collaborated with the Nazis, okay, then can who collaborated with the Nazis, went into a hotel and shot some people who were British and other
people who are Palestinians. And they did so with civilians. Will you condemn such an attack on those civilians? Yes or no? Yes or no? Go ahead, Muhammad.
Every time we talk, we talk about the King David, you're jumping in? you accuse me of jumping around three minutes? Yeah, you accuse me of jumping all over. I'm actually struggling to keep up with the amount of different straw man you're building. You're putting words in my mouth. You're saying that my claim is biblical. It's never been biblical. You're saying that my claim? You're saying that I'm talking about anti semitism? I haven't mentioned the word anti semitism once in this debate. So what I would request is you concentrate on what I'm telling you and respond to my actual point. Go ahead. So other than my strawman, so in response to the biblical claims that you're making, not me, so no
Jew that I know, that is actually serious in the Zionist movement, or the pro Israel movement bases their claims on religious reasons, almost whenever they talk about the Jews living there, it's from an archaeological perspective, we dig up Hebrew, which is 1000s of years old, we think of Jewish artifacts that go back 1000s of years, we dig up Jewish remains Jewish burial grounds, constantly. So when Jews say they have a historical claim to the land, it's exactly that historical claim, not based on the Bible, based on hard archaeology. Yeah. Now Only a fool or someone with a serious political agenda with denying that the Jews lived in that region. So I'll actually ask you just very
quickly, no, no, no, no, you can finish your segment. And then you can ask me all the questions. You didn't answer my question. Okay. And you don't want to condemn the terrorists? I'll go ahead. And for those that want to know, my position on the King David bombing, we did a two hour debate last week, where I explained why it was a military attack against a brilliant British military head to HQ. Yeah, we disagree on that. That's fine. We did a two hour debate on that. I want you to actually answer my question. Why can you not call them finish or finish? Oh, I'll leave the questions at the end, because you've got three minutes. Fine. But this is the main gist of my conversation is there
are so many there are so many states around the world that were born in much more violent conditions. Take India and Pakistan, India and Pakistan was created in 1947, the year before Israel was created. A million people were killed, millions more displaced, and much much greater scale than Israel Palestine. The reason why you're not complaining about the Pakistan is what you call the Indian Wars were far more property was lost but far more refugees were created was because it doesn't involve Masjid I like to for you. This is explicitly a religious conversation is nothing more me. For me. It's a second thing. I believe in a secular state of secular Israel, I believe in
the detachment of the church and state or the synagogue and state. So for you, I don't believe that is the case. But maybe I'm maybe I'm making a straw man against you. So I'd be very interested to hear answer that. The second point was, I mean, well, I've got 15 out here if we get a second fight, okay. You see, this is what you expect. You expect to stand with a Muslim, and for them to make a religious case. I have not made a religious case. I have not spoken about Mrs. lochsa. That's what you have said. And then you have the nerve to say that I am straw Manning, you have not made the arguments you are refuting today. Yeah, no, I have not made those arguments in my life. And you'll
never find anything in the public record of me saying anything about Muslim settlement or something like that or discussion about Islamic Palestine. I've never done it. I've only had the same conversation as you're having. However, you have to differentiate between Islam and Judaism in the sense that Islam is a religion, and Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity. So it's a ethnic religious grouping. I've asked you a question. It's a very simple
question. How is it? And when can it be the case? If we believe in a racial equality? If we believe in an egalitarian principles with race? How could it be the case that you believe that our state can be established on the basis of race, that you can expel a whole grouping of people, in this case, Arabs, replace them with another grouping of people, and that can be justified, politically or otherwise, morally, because of some kind of archaeological 2000 year old case that you're making for it's as absurd actually more absurd than the Vikings, Anglo Saxons and the Normans are having a discussion here in speaker's corner, debating about who should own the land. It's ridiculous. No one
makes the case except for you. No one makes the case except for a Zionist because it's the heart of their project. Really, it's a racially exclusivist project, which depends at heart on the Jewish personality, the Jewish person, and it must exclude everybody else I've never seen you.
sorry, cuts. Wait a minute. Cuts don't have a unified homeland.
Cards don't have unified gypsies don't have a unified homeland. They do not have a unified homeland. It's not the case in our worldly dialogues, that if I say that the Kurds shouldn't have a homeland, or the gypsies shouldn't have a homeland, that would not be considered racist. But according to people like yourself, if I say that this homeland is illegitimate or undemocratic way or illegal, then I am being anti semitic. You see here you're applying different measures of moral equivalence. here if you have this idea about the Jews, then surely
surely it should be racist. For me to say that Kurdish state is not feasible is not possible. It's not legitimate is not democratic. But you my friend and people like us Zionists have never made the case for the Kurds have never made the case for the gypsies have never made the case for any other nomadic people who are scattered around the world with our homeland. You continually make the case for Jews because you have a Jewish prejudice, and you are completely exclusivist in your racial thinking.
All over the Israel
crux of your conversation, and it literally comes back to numbers again, anybody who's watching this, we've only got a few cameras. Anyone who's watching this shout out to actually I'm not gonna shut all channels.
We only if you look at a nation like Saudi Arabia, which is a Muslim country, there are zero religious Jews allowed to practice their Jews aren't allowed citizenship there. Yeah. So if you look at a country like Saudi Arabia, there are no Jews. If you look at Israel, 20% of the population are ethnic Arabs who have complete equality with the Jews, seldom children, who is a ethnic average Christian is the highest judge in Israel, and he sent a Jewish Prime Minister and a Jewish president the jail. The Christian Arabs are the best educated, religious minority in Israel. That second the Christian Arabs are the best performing in terms of qualifications from universities and schools,
religious minority or religious group, not minority religious group in Israel. Yeah. So that's the relationship of Arabs and Jews in Israel. Now, let's look at the Arabs and Jews in Saudi Arabia that aren't on Now let's look at the Arabs and Jews in Iran. The Jews cannot serve in the military, the Jews cannot take office to any positions in government above Muslims. So you talk about Jews being an ethnicity, which is correct, but it is also a religion which you ignored in the sense that you
Yeah, but I'm saying you could convert. So go to Saudi Arabia, I need to convert to Islam. Yeah, I need to take the Shahada, and then I can go on Hajj. Until then I'm forbidden from even entering the cities of Mecca and Medina, I'm forbidden from driving down certain roads, Israel's a complete opposite. There are many non Jews that are residing there. They have full citizenship, they they either be the recent immigrants, you don't have to convert to Judaism to move to Israel, unlike in the Muslim nations, so you present you present your worldview as being more pluralistic, but it's not pluralistic at all because abolishes anyone from a different faith group from even entering the
city of Mecca and Medina. All right, so let me just quickly answer what he's saying. Say of Mecca, Medina Mecca quickly to answer what he said, Mecca where the pilgrimage happens is one of the largest gatherings in the world. Usually people when they congregate and they come around the Kaaba. There are many deaths that happened because of stampeding etc. Now millions of people, over a million people that congregate on Hajj. Now, what you're saying is let's have a visa visitor's visa
So that we can make it an even more overcrowded situation and Mecca, so we can have even more Muslims killed and go back to your, your policies or ethnic cleansing that you're used to. But having said that, what I'm saying is actually what you've said about Iran, about Saudi Arabia, about all the other countries is none of my business. I'm not an ambassador to Iran is not an ambassador to Saudi Arabia. If you wanted to have a go at one of those individuals who got signed outside of your placard outside of their embassies and try and do what you want to do. that's point number one. Point number two, you've completely ignored what I've said, the reason why I keep talking about King
David is because it's unanimously agreed upon almost everyone, all of the international organizations, including the Hague, and by the way, that they were a terrorist organization, which committed a terrorist attack. The reason why I highlight that in particular, is because I want to expose the fact that when it comes to Jewish terrorism, you're acquiescent. You are okay with it. You don't even want to label it as Jewish terrorism. You don't even want to identify that the killing of civilian people, whether they be British or Palestinian, by Jews is something which is terroristic. If I had been in your position and said the same things that would be front page news,
you have to understand it, people will be attacking me left, right and center. You think you're protected because you are a Jew. And if people say that the eloquent who by the way, the Haggadah condemned the organ, who became the Israeli government became part of vital organs of the Israeli government. They are terroristic at core and had an extermination policy, which we can trace now, because of the documents of the Israeli Defense Force is not un documents that you reject. We're talking about the Israeli Defense Force itself. It's 1998. They released it 50 years afterwards. I'll tell you all the documents arms, my time 1998, they release the documents because they do it
like in the UK 50 years after the event, in 98, showed that the huginn and others that had very specific commands to go into villages, and to expand you can look at the works of Shannon, who is a Jew, by the way, he's not allowed and who is a Jewish Israeli? He's not allowed in Israel. Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish Israeli is not allowed in Israel. But he's a Jew, though, isn't he? The law of return should bring him back by No, because he's anti Zionist. He's not allowed in anyone who goes against designers policy and the place of democracy and freedom of speech.
Democracy or freedom of speech is literally the only democracy in the Middle East. Anyone who goes against the Zionist policy is either an anti Semite or they're not even allowed to reside in the in the in the nation, which they're meant to have a right to go back to. What kind of nonsense is this? are you actually going to stand here and tell me that this place is a democratic place of free speech? My friend, why don't you condemn the end gun while you condemn the ethnic cleansing cleansing? Why don't you condemn the fact that the gardens have been located and and are being killed until this day? So again, Mohammed you can build this many straw man you genuinely you can
build as many Stallman as you'd like. But I will just encourage people to look at the numbers every time you talk about ethnic cleansing. Look at the numbers
1.6 million Arabs in Israel there is zero Jews in the Palestinian areas now 1.6 Arabs in Israel there is zero Jews in Saudi Arabia
that's the problem you own Lucas who can care about Jews?
you prove yourself
about Mohammed laughing
one to 100 whenever you come speak, you've got 100 Muslim so you
don't have to attack you're my friend. I haven't seen you for two years.
To respond to your point. Jews have been chased a persecuting so many keep saying the right the right you're saying that Jews have a massacre but that's not part of the issue that I had. That's I'm trying to explain the writer returned to you. Okay, if you want to understand the other side of
everything you say sorts of Jews have been persecuted. Yeah, because that's when you wake up in the morning. Your wife asks you for some food.
People have been persecuted in every generation. Slowly by 6 million the Holocaust. My friends in the Muslim world with
a Jewish suffering Joseph Nye. Oh, sorry, apologize.
And I made the joke. You wake up
every single Jew this watching this mentality, man because
What's happening? They're stretchy. Yeah, I
got a website dedicated to this, but you never asked me. Thank you very much. Maybe we can work separately on this.
to understand Israel to understand the right to return. You have to understand Jewish persecution, to not be Jewish persecution. Don't understand it. What was persecution? taking it seriously?
continually using the same sentence style.
That's why I'm laughing. Yeah, yeah. I was laughing. Are you laughing? I was laughing. Are you continuing to say, the Holocaust, the Holocaust, the Holocaust? Everything you have to start the sentence with the Holocaust are my people have been persecuted? I will have a conversation with this black man or that black man and my people have been enslaved for 400 500 600 years. If I have a conversation with every ethnic group whose people have been persecuted, and they start the sentence with my people have been persecuted. I'm gonna find that they're either a parrot, a robot, ignorant, they need to go to the hospital to be accused of anti semitism shows that you have no, this is what
they do. So the anti semitism card, whenever you feel like you're being under attack, or whenever you feel like you know, you're losing the argument, that's a weak thing to do. I'll tell you what, Muhammad that's a weak thing to do. It's born out of necessity, because many people whenever ever lost
last week, I didn't.
Okay, going into
a very, that's a very hard accusation. Yeah. So let's get that. Let's get the video out. You put on your tour. Let's get it. Let's get
emotional. Yeah, you're abusing it. Because you have to deal with the people that you are not involved in the Holocaust.
You yourself are using your family's suffering as a way
that listen. Okay, so I'm asking you see, look, if it was me on the side, if it was me, if it was me on that side, and he was asking me, ask me any point, do I condemn any of the innocent civilians being killed outside completely condemn it? And I'll fight against it. Jonathan, bro, can you come down for a second? Yep.
Okay, so Joseph,
Joseph and Joseph. Joseph, this is an incident it was there's no controversy around it. I've picked that incident. I've hand picked that incident. In particular. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for entertainment. All right. Cool.
Okay, if he can have a discussion on one, one camera,
I'll send you have hand picked that that particular incident before the establishment of Israel, because why? Because it wasn't a state attack. You can't say there was a state involved. There was no state involved. The British state? No, there was no Israeli state at that time. Yeah, it was 1946. This is two years before the establishment of Israel. I've hand picked it because not only Palestinians were killed, but white British English people were killed. Okay.
Fine, but they were they were they were in a hotel. Those individuals were shot dead, killed by Jewish individuals who believed in a Zionist state. I keep asking him, is this an act of terrorism? He says no, which to me shows that he does not mind casualties, so long as those casualties are not Jewish casualties. That's what you're saying?
My words. So as I told you last week, and you can laugh at my answer all you like, but this is the reason in the Holocaust. Jews were slaughtered to do
exactly. You have to learn to listen, if you want to know the other perspective. You can't just dictate the terms that go ahead. Because they're uncomfortable. Jews was slaughtered in the Holocaust as the Holocaust was going on. The British released the 1939. White Paper, the peel commission here which Neville Chamberlain, which limited Jewish immigration to Mandatory Palestine. Yeah, I don't know. 75,000. Immigration for the next 10 years. 10,000 per year, no more than 10 75,000 for next 10 years. They limit that our migration swelled Arabs move which absolutely contradicts the argument you were talking about.
You talked about Arabs being removed before the creation of the State of Israel. Anyone who studies the actual censuses will say that in 1882, there were 270,000 Arabs. So Muslim Arabs, and then by 1946 had swelled to 1.2 6 million, according to so that's none of your business. That's not your country. So what's the population is increasing?
population increase? You ask the question I'm answering. I'm just asking you
to listen, I am but you're not answering the question.
You're talking about the Holocaust. I'm not asking you about a holocaust. We both agreed on the Holocaust was a design thing. Why would the air gun
against the British because they weren't giving them a national homeland. They were against the British people.
They cut immigration 75,000 in the Holocaust, and they wanted to rescue the Jews. That's why they were fighting the British. That's why they targeted the military headquarters of the British in Manat. Mandatory Palestine does that does that justify Oh, good, actually teaming up with the Nazis?
It may stay on So no, hold on, because you're now justifying or even calling a terrorist
group of people who are not only terrorists, but almost everyone. How did they How did they collaborate with the Nazis? You tell me how they collaborated with the Nazis. There's many documents by in the World War, they wanted to go they wanted to, they made their will communications with argon and the Nazis, because they both had a very similar agenda, both of them one is an establishment of of Israel so that you can get all the Jews out of the region and into another place to establish Israel. Well, they wanted to get the Jews out of their country, they knew
they had a very similar agenda, the Jews, and that's why I believe, and I'm gonna make a very controversial statement today. Yeah, I believe it is the mother of all ironies. You know why? Because you keep talking about the Holocaust. Well, actually, I can tell you, five or 10 things which are very similar between Nazis and Zionists, one of them is that they both stress and ethnic identity as a main reasoning for their existence. Number two, their homeland is based on ethnic and national basis. Number three, they both use ethnic.
Number three, they both use, they both use ethnic cleansing as a policy. Number four, they don't tolerate minorities, and they and they pretend to play with democracy. That's why I believe so.
Just because your family and your family, your family were attacked by the Holocaust, you should myself, you should my friend be in a bad position now say, Okay, well, I can see the horrors of the Holocaust. I don't want to transpose that into another community. And this is exactly the problem. What's the problem? I'm making a factual statement, you look at the world with such twisted and current Why is that? Why is it? It's just subjective assignment from your let's just compare what you said. Yeah, yes, yes. Yes. Go ahead. Palestinians. What exactly? Are they an ethnic culture? What are you talking about? My what's that claim? Well, I guess not monolithic. They're not a
monolithic entity? Well, I'm not saying that.
You have to listen to exactly what I say because you can't be academic otherwise, I said that there are similarities between narcissism and Zionism. And some of those similarities until that narcissism stresses an ethnic nationalistic base for its existence. Number two, that they stress that over and above everything else, you've got the friend in the fall called Schmidt, or Nazi very similar to go back and read both of their works very similar.
Okay, so Carl Schmidt, who's a Nazi philosopher, who wrote in the 30s and 40s, he talked about identifying the friend and a foe, and identifying the friend and a foe and in a way he criticized what he saw was a pluralistic liberalism, all these kind of things, because of, because of what he saw was the the corrupted elements of society that could emerge as a result of it. narcissism is very similar to that. And obviously, because not the diagnosis in Kashmir was a Nazi. Zionism is very similar to this
book called the revolt. Yeah, you read it. I've read it. Yeah. Okay.
So as soon as Okay, let's see if you've read it. What does he say the first time you open the book page, two or three? What does he say? Okay, so let me tell you what he says. Because when you read a book, when you read a book, when you read a book, the first thing you read should be the first thing you remember. In, in in psychology, they call it primacy effect and recency effect, the first thing you reach a stick in your memory, the first thing he talks about, in an interesting way is hate. He talks about hating people, this is what was done become Prime Minister of Israel in the 80s. He talks about hating people, and what is he talking about how hate is a beautiful thing and some in
some instances? And why is he talking about hate, because he wants his Zionist followers to hate the Palestinian minorities so that they can be more motivated to go into the villages, which we now know we have documents of. He had and other other gang members, I call them gang members had village files to go to their villages and attack all these people. And his fourth and fifth and sixth pages. He talks about going into the villages and attacking the civilians very crudely talking about actually his his eyewitness testimonies. What happened in the villages, how many villages were uprooted, overturned 400 to 600 villages were completely demolished in the face of the earth. The
Urban character of Palestine was uprooted. I completely changed because of this whole plan that was happening.
what you're talking about, sir, is basically Nazi policies in action in Palestine, but where as you keep talking about it on my family has this and this and that and you're laughing about this. You don't want to acknowledge it for the Palestinians. That's why I believe you're a racial supremacist in the same way, I believe you
are, you've never once said there's been any kind of ethnic cleansing you've never wants to acknowledge that the blockade is against human rights. You've never you've never once you've never once spoken about yourself.
Being against international law and actually a breach of the human rights of those individuals. You've never once talked about the IDF. You've never once said that the Israeli Defense Forces have completely taken the rights of dehumanized human beings. Are Palestinians killed some of those you've never once even
gone? Columbia go into Israeli Palestinian conflict. You see, I have a whole report on this thing that talks about how many people have been
brutalized and tortured by the idea from the Israeli government. Why do you not want to actually acknowledge this, these are not Muslim groups, all of these groups are coming to the same conclusion. But you, my friend are putting your hands in your pockets, pretending no one's being killed except for juice. And you keep saying you're laughing and you're dying. And this and
you're literally arguing with you, you don't want to acknowledge, acknowledge the fact that the Israeli Defense Forces have been the actors, and the reason for a lot of the torture that has taken place with the Palestinian communities. Do you accept that or not? So your definition, yes or no? Okay, no. So that's what I'm talking about. You don't mind that the Israelis have a complete bias, a psychological
bias, and bias literally spoken for 15 minutes.
We can quickly look at that, go ahead and say something.
So to respond to each one of your points, first and foremost.
First and foremost, settlements. Yeah. You've never been able to tell me where Palestine begins and ends as a nation. So for all I know, your settlement for you, where does this all began? And what does this all begin and end?
Hold on. So what does Israel begin and what does Israel begin?
Again, I asked you a question. And then a typical style, you flipped it back to me, give you my definitions. But I want to know for you, why is Israel Why does Israel begin and then he asked me, yeah, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you.
you're saying what is what is my opinion and my opinion?
Okay, this, everyone jumps in.
Okay. You mentioned some
roses Helman? Exactly. Yeah. Thank you.
It's a settlement. So for you, it doesn't matter whether it's Tel Aviv
it's all just
for you. It's all settlements.
Specifically here when we talk about post 967 there are specific international international law defined settlements those international law define Yeah, we understand the West Bank in the West Bank of
America Palestinian that pointed out that damn land in front of my eyes see those cranes over there? We can't go We'll get shocked if we Jerusalem that is like
obviously, they they've come out good. So that's that's it. So again, to understand why you pro or against this the movement out of a Gaza Strip just for my disengagement. Yeah.
Are you happy with that? Yeah. So why are you happy with the same thing with Mohammed difficulties? You've never actually asked me? I'm asking, Are you happy with that? just told me what I believe. Okay. So tell me now, why do you not want to condemn the set of the illegal from an international relations perspective, illegal settlement of a community of people? So my question, go ahead, go ahead. Keep what other borders you're talking about when you're talking about an illegal settlement? That's all According to the UN. We're talking about the settlements in the West Bank.
Do you want me to go into details of
exactly where and where to start where and
if you accuse me of building in your garden, you have to be able to tell me where your garden begins.
Okay, so So I believe the whole of Palestine was a garden, which was built upon. Okay, so for you, it's all in the 1960s.
No, no, no, no, no, because I'm saying that there has to be some kind of
I'm telling you, I'm telling you now that there has to be some kind of mutual ground. I'm saying, forget about my, my beliefs and your beliefs. According to even international organs. Yeah, like the United Nations. You don't want to accept any authority except for the EU what borders are
talking about? They're not in the post 967 ones the post 1967 4948 once the 1949 arms Yeah. Okay. So, West Bank, West Bank, you can ask me the same question. West Bank of Jerusalem, and obviously the Gaza Strip before 2005. What were they
asking the same questions on temporary peace treaty between Jordan and Israel? Yeah. Who says that? the Jordanians when they signed it?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. No, you're not interrupting.
The Jordanians and the Israelis agree that this was a temporary ceasefire line.
You can see the bullet holes. And
if that's the case, you don't believe that what you can win from war, whereas you put it in the previous debate, is that what you can live on? Yeah. So in that case, you should leave the whole of Israel. Because the 1948 War money the most land? So if you're talking about what what war gets?
You said this before? Yeah, no, you have said this before you trade land for peace, which has been the policy of Israel, they gave your lunch. It's not your life, my friend. Why is it?
country, my friend, listen, he keeps saying Sinai's his country. When was Sinai, the property of Jewish people?
Listen, when I'm asking you a simple question.
Listen to me before the 70s before the 1973 War, before the 1966 War, I'm asking a simple question. When was Sinai the property of Jewish people wasn't before? There you have it. So how can you say you give them back land that you never owned? Because they were they were invaded? So who was invaded Israel was invaded?
the capture of the land? Yes. So you're saying that that you could do that in every single nation, not in the middle world, my friends, not in the modern world. In the 20th 21st century, my friend, not maybe the 20th. Maybe not definitely not in the 21st. That is not what the United Nations was built for.
Some of the states have been born in the 21st century or the 20th century, Kosovo, Kosovo, there was a massive conflict in Kosovo.
So I'm telling you conflict.
expansionism, I'm not very expansionist. I'm forgiving. But you're saying give a background. It's not your land if you're not
Thank you. Listen to that last statement. Perfect. That's what he just said to him. He said, If you lose, if you lose a walk,
you launch a wall.
So basically, you know, he believes the colonial settlement that is Israel. Israel is not a colonial
colonialism. How did how did Arabs? We're not talking about the medieval period?
We're not talking about medieval politics. That's a different structure is involving itself in Syria?
Saudi Arabia, to defend those individuals who are now
I'm not here to defend
the Jews colonizing the Palestinians? No, they're not. They're not enforcing Hebrew on the Palestinians. Oh, yeah. So there's no talk of a Jewish state. That's freedom of religion in Israel. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
So it's a free speech and expression in Israel. Absolutely. Why is that? Why is that why everyone? Almost all the historians and academics that speak against Israel?
is done, my friend now he said, name one is done.
If you can't hold a logical thought.
He said name one.
Religious Freedom, Norman Finkelstein
He said no. He said no. So so so is that freedom of x? Is that freedom of expression in Israel in the same way as as, for example, in the UK? Yeah. So if that's the case, if I were to if I were to attack if I were to
it's my own freedom of expression, my friend. But
she was not.
She was not a citizen of the United Kingdom.
Yes. As a citizen of Israel,
citizen of Israel, he was born in Israel, and he was he's a citizen of Israel.
No, no, he wasn't, he was banned from it. So that's what you want to be able to believe, isn't it? Imagine now
would you call it the British government and then allow me back into the UK. I have not taken physical criticism.
So So here's what I'm saying. You only want freedom of expression so long as it serves your cause when freedom of expression
academically put to you. That attacks Zionism exposes it. You know,
you support that. By the way, do I support Israel?
Yes or No, they're wrong. By my definition. Yeah. So it was wrong. So by my definition, I believe that should be complete freedom. Okay, good.
Difficult that was difficult to criticize your own color government's policies.
No, but your policy is really advocacy movement. So you are representing the Israeli government.
Or you represent your, your, your advocate.
So why is that because he wasn't gonna tell me what.
Okay, I'm now telling you that it's good that you actually not done this or that. And you've criticized this rule. Now, your funders?
I don't know You tell me how
Donate your fund is
30 pounds is flowing into the organization. Yeah, but 1000s of pounds on it. You got us you have 30 pounds come in, and I spent Okay, let's make that transparent. My friend. Let's make that transfer. Your problem movement. Okay, if you're saying sorry, puzzles come in. I would like to see the money for that. I want to see the transparency. What does that have to do with you know, because it's an organization you're claiming.
capitalism and democracy, transparency,
transparency of organizations that claim to do certain things like charities, for example, a charity No, I'm saying like, it's a YouTube channel.
Yes. Okay. Right.
Yeah, let's say your disciples flown in
any of the channels disclose how much money they get donated to them, if any? No.
Maybe they should
have colonialism Yeah.
gonna be on your side and you're gonna be on your side.
We both agree with
Angela, no one disagrees with
define them? So I look, colonialism is where you have a powerful entity, a state. Yeah. It creates a colony.
actually look at the definitions. Yeah, you
will use your language, when you have an emperor like the British Empire creates a settlement or a colony, as it's commonly called, and say North Africa or anywhere in the world, which they then look my military personnel and which they then look to spread an economic
colony into that region. And then they rip out the resources and send it back to the host nation. That sounds like Israel to me.
Is that as well? So let's, let's explore this. Come on, and you have to be you have to
tell me why that's noise. Okay. So if you look at Arab colonialism, and I'll answer this well, but if
you look at Arab colonialism, it's spread out from various different caliphates being based in Iran being based in Saudi Arabia. It wasn't really colonialism because it wasn't. It wasn't completely taken over. You have to listen. This is an actual they will create colonies there first. So in the Umayyad dynasty, it wasn't colonies it was it was a takeover was a takeover. You actually don't they didn't actually, I don't know.
Anyways, and they did they took over
any of the caliphate? No, no.
No, oh, my it's called the moon. Okay.
But it wasn't it wasn't colonies. They took over the land. They took over, they conquered the land, they conquered the land. But then what they did they move military reporters into those regions. Yeah. Okay. But then it wasn't until generations after that they began actually, for instance, they would spread Islam. Islam wasn't the first thing they spread.
When we're talking about Medieval period now, we're talking about the contemporary period. I'm, I'm allowed to talk on my turn. I don't tell you how to answer. So you're not telling me how to answer. Okay? Tell me why it's not why Israel is not a colonial power. Can you let me answer my own? Yes, please go ahead. But don't go around the world around the world. look at examples of colonialism. We have to look at examples.
For example, for examples, so when you had the Columbia Basin, for instance, you had Mecca, Medina, the trip you look at contemporary examples.
I'm going to answer in my own way, okay?
That's not bullying. Don't be bullied, because you're trying to dictate how we talk. No, you keep saying bullied, bullied.
bullying you. You're trying to dictate how I define being bullied. It's when somebody tries to force coercion.
coercion right now. Okay. Let me
when they when they, when they can't get Alexandria, they said they captured 40,000 or 10,000. Members whole taxpaying Jews, we're talking about cloning. Which ones this is in that way a dentist, okay. Give me the right reference for that, please. Okay, this is in. I got this from a book called Islamic imperialism by frame cash.
Okay, so that's, that's a secondary source material. So why have you looked at the primary source so I can pull up? I don't need to waste my time with this. Sorry. But I'm gonna say is that you don't you don't compare medieval empires with contemporary sense what you've been doing when? When you?
anyone like that? You say it's from documents that you've never read? I've read them. No, you haven't. Okay. Tell me Which ones? And I'll tell you what he says. And you tell me what you've read. So for example, I today the documents I've talked about is the chain Wiseman or high crime Wiseman doc as a primary source material. There were letters that were sent from chain, that was an
issue, we're talking about 99 A papers that were published by the Israeli military, and it shows about the commands that were given in the villages and all this kind of things. Yeah. I don't know the names of the papers that got numbers on them. I'm saying you also like me, the 99.
Okay, so let's get back. Let's get back into instead of
talking about medieval Islamic empires, okay, so let's go to another colonial empire. Let's fast forward to the British Empire. Okay, that's more like it. How did the British colonized most of the known world? Well, like, for example, when they went into MDR, 1607, or whatever it is, and they put it they put like a economic trading post, and and they expanded from that. And then they took on then they actually, military, the wars, like the resources that they rip out, why did they go back to the Empire?
Yes. So when you talk about colonialism from Israel, yes, yes. Why is Israel a colony of a colony of off? What does that mean? What is
what Israel does this colony? So I'm saying to you, let me say to you, the same way that Britain took over India, and takes their resources and minerals, yeah, and did was and conducted many wars, like, three, my soul was under merata. War. And, you know, the sequel I noticed was that they did the C compiler war, or was it the classical
Odin things? The same way that the British did that in India is the same way as the Israelis are doing that independent.
So when Israel was sorry, when India was it, Britain was doing that in India, where was the wealth? They were ripping out going? Where was this Indian colony, the colony? They were a colony of Britain, the British Empire. So I'm asking you if Israel is a cold, I'm not saying it was a colony, I wouldn't say it was a colony. This is a colonial power. Okay, so where are the colonies that Israel's Okay, so for example, the the settlements, the settlements in the in the occupied territories? That's the these are, these are pseudo colonies. Yes. And you have also the Gaza Strip, until 2005. Yes. And then even after 2005, the blockades and stuff that's happening within it. And
then you have also obviously the whole of the State of Israel up from 1948. Up until this present day, those places where Arabs lived, to put it bluntly, towns were Arab lived, they were overturned, those 600 to 800, whatever it is, villages and towns, the urban centers, the fact that they were reformed, regenerated and made into Israeli occupied places. That is what you call colonialism. In fact, it's more than colonialism. It's worse than colonialism. I believe that the British is Pakistan a colony of what? Exactly? Exactly.
This is a different question.
Different wall between the two people that had both
India only recently became known
India. You know, last time
you said India, well, let me let me let me explain to you please. Yeah. Before the colonial invasions of the British Empire, you had different regional areas of India. So you have, for example, where the Mughal Empire was, yeah, you had, you had in southern places like in my area of my soul, you have an urban area, you have, you know, whatever, you have all these areas coming together, which now in the vernacular, they call India together. But really and truly, if we're talking three 400 years ago, there was no India on the map. There was no Indian. Palestine. No, there wasn't a sign on the map. That was yes, there was Yes, there was.
There was the sun.
Let me tell you what, there wasn't a map. If you look at any map of the Ottoman Empire, for example, when when Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire, they called it a sham region. Okay. And that was it was called sham.
Sham is a
transitional event. So the Sham region is a composite of different countries have them in Syria, and Lebanon, and Jordan and Palestine. So that's why it was known as
the Jews live there. Yeah, they did. So when
are you talking about?
For the self determination of Arabs or not? Let them answer that question. So when you say the Jews lived there, we're talking about a I'm not gonna say a marginal minority, but it was a minority says they had this like, for example, he was the majority of British Mandatory Palestine.
Minority I agree. And Jews were given a tiny bit of land, one of the smallest countries in the world in about same size. It depends on what time you're talking about, because
kohana mother Cohen's, the priestly caste within Judaism, you priestly class, you had the tribe of Moses. And you had this is it this is fake, by the way. You have Aaron Harun Moses, brother. Yeah, yeah. And he was the first high priests of the Jewish people, the descendants from that line.
The colons, you look like an Anglo Saxon Viking. Mohamed, can you let me Can you?
Can you actually listen instead of just being the funny guy? Norwegian. If you went to Iceland, I think you're indigenous
We have cohanim and all different groups of people. We have them in the Ethiopians. We have them in the Yemenite. Yeah, we have them in the Ashkenazi, the Ashkenazi Jews. We have them in Spanish and Portuguese Jews. Now we have them in the eastern Jews, which is really
a topic I know you find it hard with your ADHD to say, but just stay on top.
For the people,
for the people on camera, and Mohammed is the chooses to listen. Yeah. The kohanim in all
Jewish tribe and all these different areas share the same DNA. So you have Have you done a DNA test? After the DNA? What does it go please?
Show me Show me.
Tell me when you when you get it.
I'm just asking about DNA test man.
All of these Jews. Yeah, they belong to the same tribe look very different. Is there an Ashkenazi show?
How did that happen to me? How?
5% do it. How did that happen?
I also know I want to know because I'm actually genuinely now. It's not a bit no one actually has a point of inquiry. When did this happen?
It was a European Jewish, European Jewish.
There was an Ashkenazi Jewish community in Asia. So there was a intermix
converted into Judaism. Because I don't think that happened. I think it was more to do with like intermixing with like a Jewish woman and I was
probably probably more like it is possible for someone who says isn't Islamic supremacist, then you would say is that way
to marry a Jewish woman. Yeah. But many, many most
So, I've got Muslim friends who have been to the park that converted to Judaism or that black guy would think.
I don't think he's converted to Judaism. Which one is it? About his smile? Yeah, he was
a traditional garb. He was, yeah. No, I don't think he's converted to Judaism. But to answer your question, you have you have Jews that belong to two minutes. You have Jews that belong to the
tribe, but not completely different. But they have the same fear. May I'm talking mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's.
Can I say something to him saying? Yes, go ahead.
I say something.
Now leave him on then.
Ethiopia, same DNA as a white list.