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AI: Summary © The speakers discuss the negative comments and reactions online about the Muslim community, including the lack of support for vocal minorities and ban on YouTube and other media companies. They also emphasize the importance of finding a way to genuinely improve one's life and protecting themselves and their partner, as well as the struggles of being a slave minder and the need for self reflection. The speakers stress the importance of loyalty and unity in Islam, and encourage attendees to attend events and provide resources.
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salam Wa alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. We are in the presence of a cultural icon, a physical specimen, a controversialist,

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a master orator.

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A champ? And we've also got Undertaker.

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How smooth I like that. I'll sit nothing. And I'll take this introduction. I'll take this. Thank you. How are you doing? I'm good. You You're good. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you, my friend, you know, the Muslim community really welcomes you. Yeah, it's been pretty divided. We've had a I've had a whole bunch of support. Yeah, obviously, there's been some people who are not quite pleased about the idea. I think when you have a passionate subject and people that are truly engulfed in an idea, you're gonna have some degree of polarization. I think that maybe when you look in the online space, that might be your impression, but in reality on the ground, I mean, that's definitely not the case.

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I would say the vast majority of people 80 90% are completely happy about this. And it's just it's just that the minority have a very loud voice. Well, that's exactly it. That's the whole problem with the internet as a whole, not just Islam, but the internet as a whole is about vocal minorities that look much larger than they are right. Yeah, and I agree with you. I'd like to, I like to hear that. But the reason I know what you're saying is true is because it's the same even in my case and other subjects online, I have all this some kind of hate or people trying to disagree with me. But when I walked through life, I have 30,000 interactions with people not a single one's ever been

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negative ever. So it is crazy how the vocal minority is amplified. The main thing to note though, is that Islam, it completely wipes away your sins. I mean, most of the companions of the prophet had done many things which are he nears and polytheism I mean, for us as Muslims polytheism is the worst thing you can do. Yeah. And so there was a Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad Salah Salem where he states that Islam it completely eudaemonia Kabbalah destroys everything before it means it wipes away everything before it. In other words, your slate is absolutely clean. Now if there are some people who are actually coming in and giving you a bit of a hard time that's actually their problem.

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Yeah, because in reality, honestly, bro, this is completely honest planning. I mean, so that's the that's the first thing. There's actually a verse in the Quran interesting, interestingly enough as well, which says that if you become a Muslim eliminare Munna turbo Mo, Angela sadiya. Whoever repents and believes and does good works, then God will will you bet did Allah who say you add to him has an add to that God will change their bad deeds into good deeds? So how does that make you feel? Well, yeah, that's obviously fantastic to hear and good to know. And it's interesting because I've, I've spent very little attention very little time paying attention to the negative comments

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because I, I don't in general, but on this particular subject, a few people were forwarding me like the profiles of somebody or of the people who were unhappy with my conversion and they weren't living very Islamic lives themselves. So it's, it's kind of funny to look at, you know, exactly. But I wanted to start with something which I think the whole world wants to hear about, which is, and which to be honest with you affects our sector, as people who want to speak about Islam call people to Islam, defend Islam have an Islamic voice or a voice for the Muslim people, which is your ban. Yeah, because quite frankly, I found it quite it was a vicious attack a brutal attack on you. It's a

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case study example now, they've put you in the history books. The question is, what grounds have all of these different social media organizations banned you? They never gave me grounds they never sent me an official email they never gave me an official reason. They just delete your profile and you just can't log in anymore. The reason they don't give you an official reason I think at the end is because they're scared in a court of law that there's going to be stuck to one reason right so if I decide to take them to court they want to be able to flip flop and make up reasons as they go. They want to change their terms of service in terms of conditions proactively they want to change it

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know, this is

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by me, I don't know. Okay, so yeah. But

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yeah, but

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so they never gave me an official reason for banning me. So I don't truly understand and truly No, I mean, I can I understand the reason they've come up with I know that reason is false. I have my own theories on why they banned me, but then themselves have never told me why they just terminate your pro for example, YouTube, most people producers know that YouTube have community guidelines, right? And they have copyright strikes. So for example, if one breaks the rules, if you like of engagement, then they given a strike and then a second strike and you're telling me that this process was not taking anything? Oh, absolutely not. No, I had no strikes. When I first got banned, the initial ban

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was on meta. It was on Facebook and Instagram, and perfect synchronized

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There was a large press release by the media which gave this reason to justify banning me, which was, of course false. And I knew the ban was coming, we can talk about that in a second. But when it first hit, I then by coincidence got one strike on my YouTube channel, which community strike it was some strike for some old video about me talking about masks, saying that masks were ridiculous a COVID-19 strike on a very old video, they gave me a strike, which obviously prevents you from posting for seven days. So I filmed a reply to my initial ban. And then after five days, I think as the strike was coming to an end, just before I could post it, delete the whole channel without

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expert explanation without an email, nothing just deleted all of it wiped it off. And, and the channel wasn't even in my name. This is what funny about this? Yes, I was on the channel, but the channel was in the name of the producer. So it wasn't even officially my channel, my brother's channel got wiped, like they just attack and just delete everything. And yeah, these community guidelines are so ridiculously vague that they don't even mean anything, just right or trying to read them. It's like reading garbage. It doesn't make any sense. I've been following the arguments online about this kind of thing. Obviously, one of the key tenants, if you like, of Western

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civilization is freedom of expression of speech. And the main counter argument is that nobody YouTube and all these other companies, they're private companies, but why would respond to that is that well, these are private companies, but in many ways, they have a higher ability to uphold freedom of speech and expression, then even the government's do Yeah. So this is actually very, it's like an Orwellian state, like we're looking at something which the Thought Police, isn't this concerning that you have these elites, whoever they may be, who can take these arbitrary decisions and delete somebody from YouTube? Yeah, it's worse than concerning. This is why I talk about the

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matrix all the time. In my videos, I try and explain that we are living in a false version of reality, we're living in a computer generated simulation, because the computers, which is the social media companies are generating a version of reality, which simply isn't true by deleting one entire side of the argument by purporting facts, facts, which happen to be false by deleting information, which happens to be true by making sure the algorithms choose what information you see and what you don't see. They're literally affecting the world people live in. And there's people we're walking through the world today with a mindset and a view on life, which is the result of false information,

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the result of a construction by the social media companies. So we're living inside of our matrix, and we're living inside of a very false version of reality. And that's very, and that's in many ways, it can be more pernicious than a, you know, a classic totalitarian state, because, at least with a totalitarian state, everyone's being honest about the level of domination with this kind of thing. It's like, it gives you the illusion of freedom to do what you want, but then will control the narrative in other ways. Yeah, exactly. And I also think, in most totalitarian states, like, I don't think freedom of speech exists anywhere on the planet. But I do think inside of some states,

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you know, what you can talk about, and you know, what you can't talk about, and it's pretty clear, right? If I were to go to Russia, for example, I would know what I could say and what I couldn't say, without getting in trouble, right. But in the Western world, we pretend that's not the case. And I think that often, they'll let you discuss many different subjects until you get to a certain point of influence. And that's when they get afraid of you. It's not just what you say, it's how powerful your voice is. I think the biggest problem with me is not the things I was saying, it's the fact that I became so monumentally popular. And if you're monumentally popular, and you have a huge

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proportion of the youth and a large contingent of the population, which are interested in your words, and you haven't sold your soul to the agenda, then they see, okay, he's a lot. He's really large counteraction to our our methods, and what we're trying to do here, so he has to go. So I think also you can be the victim of your own success in the Western world. So let me ask you this final question on this point, which is equal to the matrix, we can call it the liberal world order. Because the WL WL, or whatever you want to call, it is certainly a method of control. They've got their own ideologies, you know, liberalism, for example, second wave feminism, still, you know,

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they're putting it, they're shoving it in our faces. And obviously, you're, you know, you've said things which are totally antithetical to that, which in many ways, could be argued to be the reason why they banned you to be honest with you? Well, I I'm against this whole idea of liberalism and tolerance as a whole. Because one, it's hypocritical because these people are not liberal and tolerant. The people who are talking about liberalism and tolerance, they want us all to look different, but think the same. If you think differently, then you're instantly a bad guy, right? You have, they love the idea of someone looking different. So they can pretend they're diverse,

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intolerant, but they want you to say the same things and believe the same thing. So as soon as you step outside of their pre approved script, instantly, they're no longer tolerant and they no longer they're no longer interested in diversity of thought. So the first thing is very hypocritical. And secondly, I've learned in life that the easiest way to get people to accept bad things is to do it with a Trojan horse, you find some way to disguise it. Even the Senate does this, even governments do this. They'll say, you know, the green bill, this is to save the environment. And then somewhere on page 84 will be this little code about giving them all a pay rise. You and you don't want to look

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at the bad guy who says no to saving the environment, but and they just sneak it in, right. So it's very difficult. If you vote against saving the environment. You're terrible and the media talks about how you didn't want to save the environment that and you have to sit there and try and explain the

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On Page 84, the MPs are trying to get an extra 45% money. And you're and you're already in auto backfoot. And this is how they do it. They do everything with Trojan horses, and it doesn't matter what you want to name, even agendas that are pure of heart. Simple things. They end up being weaponized and Trojan like you just said, second wave feminism and liberalism, all this crazy stuff. But the number one, the number one most dangerous one is this idea of tolerance to sit and talk about being tolerant. Sounds like such a good thing that it's very difficult for someone to sit and say, No, I am an intolerant person, now you look bad. But when they say tolerance and push tolerance

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to the point where absolute degeneracy must be accepted as the point, then then you're a you're a better person to not be tolerated, you can't be tolerant of degeneracy. You can be tolerant of your own children, seeing things they shouldn't see, you can be tolerant of the destruction of society, if they're gonna sit here and say that no tolerance is the best thing ever, and then Trojan horse and destroy the way humans interact, then I don't think tolerance is a good thing. Well, I mean, that's the thing. They've hijacked the phrase, and they've used it in their own context. This was one particular political thing, because it was Mumbai, he said something very interesting said that

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the West has not acted morally consistent. They've only acted strategically consistent. And so it's tolerance, whether it's within your own borders or within a certain subset of people, but then it becomes, wherever it will, it becomes, you know, a colonizing mission or civilizing mission when it comes to, you know, the Iraq war, for example, completely, if you look at all of Western foreign policy, I mean, they'll talk about we need democracy, we care about freedom, they come up with all this garbage. But the truth is, they'll support any side they want us to support regardless of whether Democrat equity regardless of what team they're on, they don't like you absolutely, totally

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nailed. It is just about strategy at the time. And they have no true morals or true moral fiber. They'll just sit there and go, what's the strategical best decision and they'll get it done. And, yeah, that's Western foreign policy. And I think it's the same across basically the entire Western world. But this idea, when I hear people talking about tolerance, it just, when I hear it, I know what they're trying to do. They're trying to say, this is evil. This is bad. Yeah. But you're intolerant, because you don't like evil. And you have there has to be a point where you stand up as a man and society stands up and says, Yes, I'm intolerant of certain things. If someone broke into

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my house and tried to just start making dinner, I'd be like, well, whoa, who were you? Like, be tolerant? No, I will not be who the focus is. You know, like, it depends on what food is cooking? Well.

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There has to be a line in the sand. And the reason they keep talking about tolerance, diversity, inclusion, tolerance, tolerance, tolerance is not because they care about different people of different races or different beliefs, certainly not beliefs, because you're not allowed a different belief. That's the number one thing, but um, it's because they want you to just sit down and swallow the pill and allow yourself to be brainwashed and not stand up for anything. That's all there isn't. I only use tolerance as a way to try and manipulate you completely. That's what exactly what they're trying to do. In fact, and you know, it's funny, I'm trying to think of an idea which is purported

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and accelerated by the mainstream media machine, that isn't an attempt on manipulation, like every single thing that they they jump behind, and they try so hard to get you to believe in is a manipulation attempt. I'm trying to think of one that isn't, yeah, why else would they waste their screen time? Like, they're sitting there, these people are smart enough to understand that the internet is coming. And people are spending more time on independent media's and people are learning more information from each other. And they're slowly I mean, we can I don't want to go into the subject we can talk about the last few years, they still have a grip on the world because they

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proved it, right. But with the with the with the common cold, but still, they're sitting there going, Okay, we have this mass media machine, the average person only watches six minutes of our propaganda day, they can't waste those six minutes, my friend like they need to go, what's our agenda? Let's get to the point. What do we need people to believe about X Y, Zed? They can't be sitting there telling us the truth. That's a total waste of time. Absolutely. I want to talk to you not because it's the hot topic, especially in the Muslim community. About your conversion. Yeah. So tell us the story. Like what happened exactly? Well, I think a lot of people who've been following

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me for a while understand that I've been very respectful of Islam for a long time. I was born in a Christian country, I was raised as a Christian. And I've always been very respectful of Islam. And it's become more and more obvious to me and more and more pertinent that Islam is the last religion on the planet. When I talk about Islam, because I'm new to it, yeah, I I'm a little bit careful, right? Because I'm new to it. I'm certainly not scholar. There's so much I need to learn. I know I'm on a learning journey. I'm not here to sit there and talk scripture. I don't know those things yet. I'm here to learn. But we're here are your assistants. Thank you, brother. Thank you, thank you, but

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it's just for me. It feels like the last religion on earth. I feel like there's no other religion. People say to me, why did you convert? I said, I don't really think of it as a conversion. i It's almost like I knew God was real and now I've become religious. And they say, Well, you're a religious before I was like religious before how Christian what is Christian mean? Like who's not a Christian? You go to Christian nations and everyone says they're a Christian. Look how they live their lives go into the average church. Is anyone actually fearful of God? Anybody know the girls are out on Saturday night drinking and they turn up to church because our prayer

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Erin's made them. But there's, there's no substance to the religion and also is very closely reflects my personal beliefs. I through my personal life, I've learned that if you don't have standards, and you're not a strong person who's prepared to defend his ideas, you will be crushed. And we look at most religions in the world today, which are not prepared to defend their ideas, what's happened to them, they're just getting crushed. And now we have Christianity as an idea, which is basically said, well, we can't set any firm rules because everyone will just quit. So instead, let's make it so easy to be a Christian that nobody has to put any effort in, and then

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accept everybody no matter what. And hopefully we can keep the church doors open. That's not That's not called to me. You know, gold to me is strong. Gold to me something to be feared gold to me something someone that people are afraid to mock. Yeah, gold to me is someone that you have to go out of your way to prove something to God, to me has red lines, like God to me represents the Islamic faith, the Christian God to me, I don't see God, I can't see I don't see anything there. So to me, it was it was the only logical choice in the end. 100 Allama. I mean, many as you're saying this, I'm sure many people are like ecstatic and extremely happy. It's a great, it's a great thing

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for everyone, honestly, because, you know, just anyone coming into Islam is, you know, the Prophet told us better than the world and everything in it. But imagine now, somebody who have major influence, you're the most Googled person on the planet. Yeah, I think Putin might have beat me as of last week, but I think it's between me and Putin at the moment. But I don't want to lose the Putin. But Putin is too big. Gee, I don't want more enemies. Like it's fine, Vladimir, you can? I never thought I'd hear you saying that statement. Yeah. Wouldn't be me last year. Yeah. I think we're this something that most people, but no, no, it's definitely something beautiful. And a lot of

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people have, you know, you'd be surprised at how many women as well, like, because obviously the the accusations of misogynist, but a lot of women Hamdulillah, especially in the Muslim world, they're absolutely happy. In fact, let me tell you a story. Just before I came here today, one, one particular woman, I can't reveal the identity, but she's working as a school teacher in London. And actually, my friend told me that she was kicked out of school. Yeah, because they had this campaign against you in the schools? I'm not sure if you're aware of it. Yeah, this was part of the cancellation. I didn't know about this. Yeah. So in British schools, they said, you know, if you say

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anything good about if you if you say anything good about this person, or you have to be reported or prevent. And if you say anything, you know, you have to kind of combating extremism or whatever, maybe, right. So she because when you became Muslim, she abstained from doing that. She said, I can't really do that, because, you know, Islamic laws, and it's backbiting and his honor in Islam and so on. And unfortunately, they fired her from that from the position now. So you can see that this is the level of encroachment we're talking about here. So and this shows you that the level of fraternity that exists, and not only the fact that you know, when you're looking at Twitter or

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whatever, Twitter or whatever, social media, it's not a representation of what's really happening, of course, of course, and I mean, that's, that's crazy to hear. And what's most crazy is, yeah, the the fervor behind this idea that I'm somehow extremist is truly, it's truly clown world. Like I've sat as a professional and analyzed my content and understood which things can be taken out of context in which things were said in a way, perhaps they wouldn't, shouldn't have been said before, I was massively famous, but we have to sit here and understand that if you take anybody on the planet and give them seven years of YouTube, and then they decide and they blow up big, you're gonna

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be able to find 30 to 45 seconds of clip across all those years that can be taken out of context, right? And, and, and it's truly crazy, because they sit and say, oh, yeah, but you know, the young boys are watching your stuff, and they don't truly understand all of it. And there's nuance that's missing. And my argument is very simple. My argument is, well, one, you're taking small clips out of context. And two, there's not a single piece of content on the internet that 14 year old boy can't misunderstand. Name somebody's name, someone who's producing content, the internet that you would be 100% Happy for a 14 year old drill artist. And so they said, I live in an area this I'm not gonna

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mention the names of the artists but they're talking about going and going to this person's house and killing and killing him in the middle of a knife crime epidemic. We have little NAS twerking on having sex with the devil and his music videos. Like we're gonna sit here and talk about how children can be impressionable young children. And I'm sitting there saying there's no way I'm the worst person that didn't help us what they deleted me the difference for them is, as you've mentioned, on those on those fronts, it doesn't matter to them because it's like, okay, they're consuming our hedonistic products or whatever it is, that doesn't change their worldview. Whereas

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what you're saying is ideological now you're, you're challenging the status quo. Of the LW of the liberal world order. You're challenging second wave feministic notions, you're challenging some liberal notions, you're challenging ideas, commonplace ideas are of tolerance. And George Orwell said very well, he said that, the more a society moves away from the truth, the more hates people who speak it. Absolutely. And you're and you're right. And I think even the basic things I teach because some people have said to me, Andrew, all you teach about is personal responsibility, motivation, working hard getting up and doing the right thing I said, That's the absolute those are

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the things they're most

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just afraid of, if you teach people to have standards for themselves and to be morally strong people and to know right from wrong, then they can't brainwash you. So that's what they're most afraid of. They're most afraid of young men waking up and going, No, I don't believe that. You have to believe it. No, I don't believe it. I don't want to, I want to go do this. I want to go to the gym and be strong, or I want to believe X, or I want to be a moral person. They genuinely have a problem with baseline morality. Yes, I understand. When some people recognize when I convert to Islam, that there was a time I was an atheist, there was a time when I was atheistic. And the reason I am now so

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absolutely certain that God is real is because I've seen evil. I've seen shaytaan I've seen it, when you see enough evil, you realize that there must be an equal and opposite force. And there are people out there in the world today doing the work of the devil, genuine demons who are trying to destroy the baseline morality that's inside of all of us. We're all born with some kind of morality, and they're trying to destroy it. And that's exactly the Islamic understanding that we believe that you're born with something called FITARA, which is the initial goodness, you're you're born with an innate belief receptivity to believe in one God. And then that is corrupted. In fact, there's a

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prophet, Hadith of the Prophet where he says, koulamallah, the new ledger and fitrah, every born child was born upon this initial goodness, for Ebola, who you help with any? Oh, you're not serrania You might just say that, and then his father and mother or his parents, they socialized him into Christianity, Judaism Meiji ism. So the idea is that everyone is born with this initial goodness, and this initial will want to believe in God, one God. And then as you mentioned, I mean, it's what you're mentioning here is really is profound, because you're mentioning a central doctrine in Islam. But but it's and this is why perhaps I found God the way I did, because I understood all these

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things. First, and then I saw the Koran and it confirmed so many things for me, you know, like, even the conversations I've been having. So far. So many things have been confirmed. And it's amazing the knowledge that's inside of it, which is so applicable today. Yeah, for for old book, right. You know, it's supposed to be old, but it seems so, so timeless. But it's truly amazing. But you're totally right. And, and the baseline morality, I don't think most people understand that when they're doing this under the guise of tolerance, when they're saying be so tolerant, that you no longer believe in right from wrong. They're not doing that to make society a better place. They're

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doing that to empty your brain so that you have no resistance to the slave mind programming. They want to get you to a point where if they tell you the sky is green, you look at with your own eyes, and you see blue, but no, the sky is green. That's what they want. So that you have to have nothing in your brain that can prevent that if you have God. If you have no I believe this is right and wrong. If you have personal responsibility, if you have self accountability, if you're a person who sticks up for what he believes all that's bad to them, they want all of that gone. So they could tell you the sky is green. And and I don't want to say too much because I don't want the stream to

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end but they're going to tell you something much worse than the sky is green. They're gonna tell you something else. And and it's they're trying to program us all into slaves. And I remember when I was in my undergraduate days, and I was reading a particular book by this guy called Jeremy Bentham, who became like, you know, the spiritual forefather of Jay SMIL, who is the father of like social liberalism of today. And I remember reading this because it was so powerful because it linked to something I read in the Quran. He said that, you know, you have two gods. He said, you have the God of pain, and you have the God of pleasure. And I thought, This is so interesting. The Quran states,

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you know, a Farah item and tada ILAHA Hua, have you seen the one who takes his own desires as a god? And because now there is no transcendental force that we can look up and as you say, venerate, now we're forced to be slaves to the system were to our own desires, or, I mean, the Quran has another verse, which I think is so powerful that connects very well with what you're saying. It says, God don't have Allahu Maslen Rajala and that God has struck a parable of a man, fish or a cat motor, Sharky, sunnah, that he's got many different slave owners were Abdul Salam and Lyra Julian, and another kind of man who's only got one slave owner. He's got he's basically telling us in the Quran,

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that you've got one example of one individual who's got multiple slave owners, and another one with just one he says hell yes, that we any masala are they the same? So here the idea is, as Rousseau said that his liberal philosophy said that man is born free, but everywhere in chains. This is the order because if you don't have that, God to worship, then you're going to end up having to worship to everything else. And the whole part of the shahada, which you took, which is a shadow Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, the true meaning of that La Ilaha illa Allah is that there is no God worthy of worship, except for one God, which means that your, your desires, or the system or these

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people that want to control us, they are the problem is they're not worthy of worship. The only one worthy of hours of subordination and submission is the Creator of the heavens and earth. There's no one else I agree and it's, it's, it's, I completely agree and I've agreed with this for the longest time. You know, I've never been to like a muse

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It concern and people asked me why. And I said, I just look at it and I feel embarrassed. I look at someone up on a stage dancing Round and I look at hundreds of 1000s of peasants in the crowd. Just yeah, I'm like, It's embarr I'm I feel cringe. It's like secondhand embarrassment. When I see these festivals, and everyone's losing their mind or these music concerts. I genuinely feel embarrassed for the people who go because to me, that is a form of worship, like you can listen to the music at home for free. You don't have to wait in that line and stand out in the cold. And I don't know, perhaps it was a bit extreme, but I've always known that they're trying to give us false idols to

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some degree. And when I speak to atheists, Atheists say, Oh, I don't believe in God, but they they've signed up so hard to the liberal woke agenda there is religious as anybody, but they're just believing in the wrong things. They're believing in degeneracy. They're believing in the work of the devil. So humans always need something to believe in. And it's a great thing you said about your own desires. It's like one guy I was talking to since my conversion says it's interesting that somebody with everything all the Western world, everything somebody could want is that has now converted and I said yeah, because even before my conversion, I understood that Hedden ism is a black hole, and

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you can never fill it, you're never going to be able to have enough girls to be happy with girls, you're never going to have enough money to be happy with money to be able to, you know, drink enough to be happy with drinking, like it's a black hole and you can pour endless things down it but you'll never fill it up and you need to have some degree of self restraint and I've always been a very disciplined person. I've never made mistakes, but certainly Yeah, the higher power is gonna give you more satisfaction in your heart than endless endless insanity. Absolutely. Because I didn't see a clip of you making the same point you were saying that you know, I've done all of these things

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because the accusation is well you are the poster child of hedonism right? This guy you're talking which sorry to interrupt you Yeah, but what's annoying about that is I'm absolutely not that's what's that's what's so annoying about that because I know so many people of my net worth I will sit here and say no on the podcast before everybody I'm before God Walla Walla

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never slept with a prostitute or pay for sex in my life. I don't gamble. I've never taken a drug in my life. Never tried steroids never tried weed. Never tried cocaine ever in my life ever. Never. Never Never. Like I drank a bit of alcohol, smoked some shisha smoke some cigars. I spent most of my life as an athlete working hard. 1214 hour days making money. I look after my family. So for me to be but if they go, you're the poster boy of Hedden ism. I know so many people who do so much worse than me. You know, I really don't do that much. I'm on gambling. And from our perspective, if you've done all of that, yes, your slate is clean, which is which is amazing. But it's just it's just

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incredible to me that, especially at my level of net worth, right. I grew up in Luton poor on a council estate. Yeah. And now I'm pretty financially successful. And once you get past this, this line, and you meet these other people who are who are as rich as I am, yeah, they go they get a boat. They put 100 Girls on it, who are paid for a big pile of cocaine that I don't do any of them things like I would I'd step I'd say I'm one of the night for a man with a bunch of money from a council estate. I'm just pretty behaved as you can possibly hope for. So no, I feel that. Obviously, you you are in your previous life, you are the champion, world champion kickboxing. Now that

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requires a certain level of restriction, discipline and these kinds of things. I do think that this is kind of like a misconception. Yeah. I mean, people think that you're, as part of your marketing and it's probably self induced marketing as part of your marketing engineering strategy that you've engineered yourself. As you know, this is this is my life. But in reality, though, is it fair for me to say that if something doesn't have proper meaning and purpose for you, you won't really enjoy it? Yeah, I think a lot of people in fact, the number one thing I hear from people who meet me in person is I've had so many people meet me, and they're like, You surprised me. I'm like, why? Like, you

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just you just work and you just sit on your phone, or you just work on your laptop. And, you know, like, they thought I'd be this crazy guy running around being crazy. And they realize I'm extremely restrained. I'm very careful about everything I do. routinely. Okay, so it's a good question. So I wake up whatever time that happens to be I don't I have time. What what time? Do I have a problem sleeping? Okay, I'm not good at sleeping. I've really struggled with it. So I can maybe get five, six hours a night maybe. And the reason I can't sleep is because if my brain is it, even semi conscious, I'm thinking of a work or some problem I have to fix and then I end up on my phone and

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then I can't sleep. That's how it works. So I can give perfect examples. Like there's even even before this podcast, I knew I had to be up I had to go doctor's aid and I had to come to this podcast. So I said last night Let me try and go to bed a little bit early. I tried to go to bed at 11 and then I woke up to go toilet at 2:25am and then I was thinking about some construction in my house in Romania and some invoices that I hadn't seen yet and then by the time I message my assistant that now I'm awake, yeah, so I've been awake since two like I just I can't turn my brain off. I struggle with it right so I'm not going to sleeping but let's say I wake up around nine ish,

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but I go to bed usually around three, four. First thing I do is drink two liters of water that I train every day I trained for about I trained for about

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30 to 45 minutes a day. I don't train what is it? Well, it depends where I am because I travel so much. So if I'm in the environment hotels you kind of got to do what you can do right? So mainly it's weights now. I don't box as often because it's it's inconvenient like if I was training for a fight is different, and I was sparring a couple days ago, I still got the move. No one can hit me so I'm still got it. But um, yeah, so usually about 45 minutes I I tear through a bunch of weights. I just go as crazy as I can get out the way bunch of coffee. I'm a coffee addict, I guess I don't know that still allowed? I hope so. But um, okay, good. Because I love caffeine. I believe caffeine is a

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miracle drug. So I'll have two or three coffees and other two liters of water. I only eat dinner every day. I don't eat breakfast, I don't eat lunch. And then from there, it's just completing tasks. I either have something to do I have a podcast with you to do or I have somewhere to go, or I have to go. It may be sometimes it'll be something good. Like pick up a new car or new watch. But if not, I promise you now I spend every waking second on my laptop or staring at my phone running the Empire. That's all I do is work. Life to me is work. Life to me is work at the point now sleeping is work. I only sleep because I don't sleep, I wouldn't be able to work. If I could work without

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sleeping. I wouldn't sleep. People look at my life. And they especially you're right with the marketing, they see the cars, they see the boats, they see girls, etc. They're like, Oh, wow, he's living this crazy life. And then they get around me and realize that yeah, we're on a boat. Yeah, there's hot girls. Yes, y'all. But I'm on my laptop. And I'm working. That's it. That's all I want to do is run the Empire because it gives me it gives me a sense of purpose. So it sounds boring to say but all I do is work my friend. That's it. Well, that's it for when I finished this. We'll talk about food, etc. I'll get in the car. I'll go back and I will work until my next appointment. That's

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it I just work on. So it's and it's kind of funny because people say to me, like, What's the secret to getting rich? And I'm like, it's easy. If you if you don't do anything else will work. Like I don't have any my only like, I'm trying to think of what even even hobby I have I love?

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That's a good question.

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That's a good question. We live in an attention economy. So I think stage one is certainly attention. Stage two is once you have that attention, establishing credibility. And then stage three, once you've established a credibility is finding a way to genuinely improve people's lives. The reason I do so fantastically well is because everybody who's ever followed me or tried any of the things I talk about, their life gets better. So it's very easy to say, Oh, I've tried Tate's program and my life's better or I tried this, I follow Tate and I feel happier. So then of course, they're gonna understand the brand. And that's the way to do it. But But truly, it's hard work. You

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need to be able to work endless hours is extremely competitive, you need to be able to work as hard harder than the other guys. And that's the only way I did I grabbed to the top the old fashioned way. And that's still what I do. I just work. So with with this basically will say that, you know, in terms of your routine Islamically The main thing to focus on the next one will be the prayers, five prayers. Yeah, right. And so that's obviously one of the morning. And then you'll have like prayer times and stuff like that, where you have to do the pollution. And when I saw you kind of praying that was yes, yeah, I'm worried I'm learning it. And yeah, and I've been told The Times, and

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I've got all this and I'm going through all that. And I have to incorporate that as well. It gives you a solid structure, I feel like gives you anchorage in the day is the spine of my personal day, I feel like you know, it's it just creates that structure in the day. And it's a spiritual thing. I mean, even the prayer itself when one prays, and they say Allahu Akbar, which is Allah is the Greatest, some people think it's some kind of war. They do it in war as well, I mean, to be fair, to say, Allahu Akbar, meaning Allah is greater than everything else, this whole world and everything in it. And then when they start engaging in prayer, then what you're doing is you're trying to, in a

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sense, get out of the zone of being in this world, connect with God, ask God for guidance. And we do that very consistently. Because we feel like, I mean, the belief is that guidance is in God's hands. Yeah, you know, and so doing that, you know, spiritually cleansing, is, for me, it's the most important thing that one can do in the whole day. So that in terms of your structure, that will be the thing that you'd put in next. But I wanted to ask you about something else now, which I think is something you're known for as well, in terms of speaking about these things, is your gender positions. Okay, so this is, you know, a lot of people have controversy with you, accuse you of

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misogyny and all these kinds of things. I mean, what let's, let's say now what maybe as after you become Muslim, or even before, what are your views on? Like, how would you summarize your views on gender? I would summarize my views on gender by being very simple and stating the fact that I think that the genders are different. I think we have different strengths and weaknesses. I think men are better at some things than women. I think women are better at some things than men. I think when we work together as a team, that makes us the most powerful force on the planet. I think the biggest problems with the world today is that everybody is trying to pretend that they're interchangeably as

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good as each other at the same things. And that's destroying the teamwork. It's very simple. If I was an accountant, and I met a tailor, I'd say, Okay, you make the clothes, I'll do the accounting. And then as a team, we have a very profitable business, right? If we were to turn up and were to decide, You know what, I'll do half the accounting and you do half the accounting, and you do half the tailors and I do have to Taylor's where our tax bill will be a mess. The jackets won't fit. Like it'll all fall apart. I don't know why it's so confused.

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isn't for people to sit there and understand and go, Yeah, women have certain strengths and weaknesses, men have certain strengths and weaknesses. And when we both understand them both accept them and work as a team, then we're a complete package. And this is why God created us to be different. If we were exactly the same, we would need each other. This is what makes us need each other. Yeah, this is why we need each other, we need each other. That's right. And this is what people don't understand when they sound misogynistic, or I say bad things. I'm like, No, absolutely not. I'm talking about the differences between men and women. So people understand that men need

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women and women need men. And that's what creates beautiful families. That's what keeps society functioning. And as soon as you point out the differences between the two genders, they're going to attack you because they don't want men and women to need each other stay. That's one of the things they really don't want. Because the number one thing that will inspire you to resist against total tyranny is protection of your family. Yeah, they don't want the family unit in terms of the nuclear family. Because otherwise when they come to your door, the devil the devil is in the demons, you're gonna stand up and say, No, my wife and children are inside. Yeah, they don't want that. They want

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you to just be hedonistic and not really have anything of value and nothing worth fighting for and defending because then you'll accept the slate programming, accept whatever they want you to do. But yeah, my, my views on gender are very, very simple. I think that we're, we're slightly different. But together, we're ultimately powerful. And pointing that out, has somehow labeled me negative by this vocal minority of psychopaths. And it truly and I say psychopaths, because they truly are. They're psychopathic people. They're truly destructive. And when I look at the people who have the most hate for me, who say, I'm the most detrimental to women, if I look at their lives, none of them

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are happily married. A lot of them aren't even into women, they swing a completely different direction like these people. Why are you pretending you care about a masculine man's views on females? Why do you pretend you care? When I say I want to protect and provide for my woman, I, if she doesn't want to work? She doesn't have to work? I'll take care of her in that way. And she'll take care of me in another way. Why are you pretending that offends you when your relationship with women in your own personal life doesn't even exist? And if it does this awful, I'll tell you what's going to happen now, as was as we were agreeing and talking about some, some people's for some, you

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know, feminist people that are influenced by feminism within the Muslim community. Look, this is exactly what we feared. He's not holding him to account, you know, he's not speaking to him about the wild statement. And the truth is, I'll say this, I don't actually feel like I need to judge you. Because, quite frankly, Allah has already wiped away your sins. Any statement that you made before about women or any thing that you've done with women before, once again, it's not my business to judge you upon that. So that should be the Islamic position. However, let's say for the wider community, right? Because at the end of the day, you know, we do want you to kind of not

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reintegrate, especially on the matrix now at handle that you're out of the matrix, but fully fully out of it.

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Islam is totally out of the matrix. That's why they hate it so much. Yeah.

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Some of the comments that you've made, I haven't got a list of them. What are some of the comments that they accuse you of making? And what is the context of these guys? Yes. So the two that they accused me of most is where I said a woman is a man's property, which is the first one and the second one that they try and get me with is where I said a woman should bear some responsibility for being sexually assaulted. Oh, that's, and both of them are massively taken out of context. And I'd like to explain them. When I said about a woman being a man's property I was talking about the idea of biblical marriage at the time Christian marriage, saying that the man walks the father walks the

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bride down the down the aisle, gives her to the groom, she takes his last name, and he is now responsible for protecting and providing for her till death do them part. Yeah, she joins his family. Right. She belongs to him. Oh, no. That so you think she's appropriate? I'm saying she belongs to him. Alright, so semantic collision what your what your semantic issue Correct? Yeah. So you're not necessarily saying that he can buy and sell it? Absolutely not. I'm saying that he is responsible for protecting provide for that stuff. That's this one. But I never even said the word property. They said the word property at me. Right. So I said that she belongs to the exchange I saw

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it was between you and Piers Morgan? Oh, yeah. And he was just being obnoxious. I don't even know how you can see the man was insecure. Yeah. i That's how I psychoanalysts and you know, psychiatrist, but I think he's just insecure. He felt like he has something to prove. He was you know, if a certain age and a certain weight, a certain disposition. And you know, as people, when they see you and him together, that's enough of a victory for you and enough of a loss for him just to see you to start, you know, side by side. But as his face was becoming red light purpose, Peppa Pig, and he was getting more and more angry and interjecting every second.

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You know, he was mentioning these points. This is the only thing that from my perspective, I felt okay, maybe he has a point here. But as you've explained that, if you mean by property, X, Y and Zed, we don't actually mean property, then potentially we say, Look, you know, this is not the best wording, you know, it's not the best wording. Absolutely. You know, and what you didn't mean by that is, you know, she's some kind of commodity and objects, correct? Absolutely not, in fact, quite the opposite. I was trying to say how important she is and how she must be protected and provided for and it was taken him completely out of context, and weaponized against me

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It's very similar with the other comment, the other comment of how women should bear some personal responsibility for being sexually assaulted. I'm not saying in 100% of cases, that sexual assault couldn't have been prevented. I'm not saying sexual assault should happen. In fact, I'd argue that I'm more strict on the idea of rape than the laws, I think these people should be executed. I think it's disgusting, completely and utterly disgusting. However, I think it is asinine for us as a society to sit here and pretend that if a woman goes out, takes drugs with a man she doesn't know, goes to his house without telling her brother or her father or telling anybody and puts herself in a

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position of absolute vulnerability, that she has zero responsibility. So I'm not. It shouldn't happen to her. It's disgusting. But also, I shouldn't get robbed if I walked down the street with a million dollars in the middle of the night, what it went, but it can so I must think ahead. Well, you know, oh, you're effectively saying is that, you know, if there are certain situations where the probably probability of sexual assault from an increase, in fact, for example, the WHO itself I was looking at, they had this whole, probably the most compendious thing on on rape and sexual assault. And they were talking about different countries. And the one thing that they said, which the West

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has more than other places, is stranger, right? And, and actually, one of the reasons why could very well be because of this culture of intox, intoxication of clubbing and these kinds of things. So it increases the probability, I think, it's a very reasonable argument to say, well, this increases the possibility of stranger rape. Now, obviously, they're gonna come back and say, but the way you said it, of course, they're gonna do it, victim blaming, but they're gonna, they're gonna say, it's victim blaming, and they're saying, I'm gonna be advocating for rape. And they're gonna be saying, I said, it's okay, which is all garbage. It's all nonsense. I'm trying to explain to people in a very

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realistic fashion that we live in a world which is not ideal. We live in a world where everybody understands that stealing is wrong, but some people still steal. This is why we lock our cars and lock our houses. And this is why we protect certain assets and our money. This is why I will not walk down the street with a gold watch in London at three in the morning by myself, because I don't want to put myself in a position where there's a higher probability of something bad happening to me. And I'm just saying that when it comes to this one particular crime, because it's so heinous, and it is heinous, absolutely. And certainly every perpetrator should face the absolute full

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punishment from not only the law, but God himself. But they sit and pretend that there is zero personal responsibility involved. And I'm just saying that there are some scenarios, not all, but in some scenarios, the woman has made it so easy for something bad to happen to her. And I'm saying we should teach them not to do that, so that we can protect them. And the reason this whole subject came up is because I was talking about if I'm a man, and I'm responsible for my woman, and I want to protect her, and they, and somehow we got on the subject of rape. And this was on a podcast three or four years ago, I said, the number one way I can protect my woman, besides being beside her is

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teaching her to make smart decisions when I'm not around and making sure she's smart, doesn't put herself in bad positions. And this feminist was saying, Yeah, but people shouldn't rape. I was like, I agree, people shouldn't steal, people shouldn't do a lot of things. But you still have to protect yourself and have some personal responsibility. And the feminists argument against it was that no, we need to teach men not to rape some asinine idealistic fairytale land, or we're gonna go around and convince every man on earth to never rape again, as if we haven't been trying to convince people not to steal since the dawn of human time. It's stupid. I think. Basically, what you're saying is

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basically a concern that look, if you follow this advice, you'll get the best results. It's very, very pragmatic advice. Absolutely. What has been twisted as as actually this guy is a misogynist, which by the way, their definition of they haven't even agreed on. Correct. And this guy believes X, Y, and Zed and they take you out of context. The problem here is, for example, with rape, actually, interestingly, I was looking at I was speaking to a lawyer. I'm not sure if the case is still the case in the UK, but I don't think you can actually be convicted of rape. If you're a woman to a man, I think only a woman can be convicted. Yeah, just funnily enough, another thing that was interesting

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when I was arguing this point, I was arguing it saying, Listen, you've made this agenda at argument because you're a feminist 29% of rape cases in UK are male male on male, and I'll say the same thing to a man. Don't go do drugs, become intoxicated, go back home with someone you don't know. And put yourself in a position to be raped, stabbed, killed, murdered, whatever it is right. And and the feminists who were arguing against me goes all but you don't understand male privilege. You get to walk around safe at night without worry. I was like, Listen, my dear, you have no idea what it is to be a man you have no idea you think a man when you think we walk around London in the middle of the

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night, willy nilly, without we're there with no concerns, they will kill us with a piece of metal on our wrist. Like you think we're just walking around the Duke de do? Absolutely not. I've actually argue that in certain scenarios in certain places in the Western world, it's more dangerous to walk alone as a man than a woman, you know, so it's, it's absolutely asinine. They have this idealistic worldview that everything's perfect for men and everything's men's fault, and women have no personal responsibility. And no matter what a woman does, there's no way she can be possibly involved even 1% her fault at all. On this point of the legalistic distinction for example, if a woman cannot rape a

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man but she can be sexually assault him but she

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cannot quote unquote Raven, for example, UK law, why are the feminists not arguing for equal rights on this point? Because feminists don't want equal rights. It's not equal rights. It's just, it's what we want is we want equal, we want entitled it's an entitlement scheme. But the point is really, I think you are a proponent, proponent of traditional family, aren't you? Absolutely. At the heart of it, you've always said that, despite everything else. Absolutely. I'm a proponent of traditional family. And I'm a proponent of traditional Islam. Well, I'm a proponent of traditional roles. And the reason the reason for this is because I actually think it makes humanity the most competitive. I

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think that the world functions best. And we're the most competitive as a species, the closer we are to our original natural gender roles. And I think if you were to take 10 men and 10 women, let's, let's say we have two planes, right, both both have 10 Men, 10, women both crashed on an island. And if you had 10 men and 10, women who fell into their gender roles, and the women started, you know, foraging and the men started hunting and building, and the women, you know, made blankets, and the men found animals to kill, and we fell into our gender roles. And then you have the other island where all 10 of them, it's all mixed up, and everyone just does whatever they decide, and not, you

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know, I don't have to do that, because I'm a man, you do it, etc. I feel like the island where people fall to their gender roles are more likely to succeed. I think if you go to Yeah, I think if you go to societies where life is much more difficult than it is for us, because we live blessed lives, they are very, very ingrained to their gender roles, because they understand the only way they can survive as a tribe or a species is to for the men to do X and the women to do X, we both do what we're good at. And this makes us the most competitive. And I feel like if you want to have a stable society and a competitive society, and when I say competitive, I mean competitive in all

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realms, including safety, including having as many children as possible, not even competitive in a combative sense. I'm just talking about having enough kids to beat the reproduction rate, which we're failing to do in the West, and everyone being able to walk around without getting hurt. I think the way to do that is to be inside of our gender roles. I think that's the way it is and I was grew up. I mean, I'll tell you, I grew up in a place where the world was very different. I'm not even that old. I was 35. But I grew up in a completely different world. Like if a random man, a stranger, a neighbor yelled at me as a kid, my dad will yell at him. Like we're scared of our

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elders. Like my dad went to work, my mom cooked and clean like and looked after us as kids like I grew up in that world. And people now are just trying to completely throw it out the window and they seem surprised that society is falling apart in front of our very eyes. You know, there's a verse in the Quran actually says something quite soon as what you're saying it says, well, let's determine Noma football Allahu Viva la Comala bar, do you not wish for the other one has literally Jilin of Siebel metastable Well, in the SE, na si will make this happen for man as a portion from what he has learned, and for a woman is a portion of what her what she has, and, and what's a little love, and

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finally, and ask God for His bounty, meaning, do not attempt to encroach on the other person's role, like men have been given certain things that women have not been given and vice versa. And, you know, it's interesting that you talked about this case study example of islands because quite frankly, I was looking at some statistics. And from the 1960s, were the second wave, feminist movement became very widespread until now, this there's been studies have been done. The biggest one is one called Blanche foul flower and oz Oswald, which happened between the years 1970 to 1990, was longitudinal study. And you'd expect that after all, the implementation of you know, legislative

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changes, stuff like that, in America, in the UK, and elsewhere in the West, that, you know, women will be having a better life and that there'll be enjoying their times. But the conclusion of the study after they've interviewed 100,000 women, this is the biggest study that I think has ever been done. 100,000 women in both the UK and the US, the conclusion was that women have a deteriorated, you know, situation, and in fact, even like the heads or the mothers of second word feminine feminism like Betty Friedan who wrote The Feminine Mystique, and others, even Germaine Greer, in 1963, she wrote the book, Feminine Mystique, and then afterwards, she wrote another book, which

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people don't study in schools. She said it herself. She, she wrote a book called The second stage, she said I'd done sociological experiments in the 70s. After the 60s after the change. I've been on 60s. And I found that in the 70s, women were more depressed. Yep. 1/3 of women. She states us in an old book, she says that 1/3 of women were worse off. It was really interesting. There was actually a magazine, very famous magazine that done a poll on women.

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And they said, it's called top surgery magazine. And they found that 79% of women that responded said that they would quit work if they could tomorrow. 80% said that work is causing them psychological pain and distress. So in other words, this whole idea of prioritizing careers over motherhood and being a wife and stuff like that. The experiment has already been done in a sense, and it's been done for the last, you know, 6061 years, or 62 years, let's say since 63. And in that time, what we found has been a tremendous failure, of course, which has impacted women's mental health, their physical health has impacted families. One more thing I'll say is

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So, I was talking to one guy who's like he's done demographic stuff called Nicholas Wolf. And, and I asked him what families are most stable or whatever. Yeah. By way of like the children turn out to be more most, you know, educated and they're away from delinquency and criminality, these kinds of statistics. He actually said religious families, like, obviously nuclear, traditional families, religious families. So we have the data to show that families that take this traditional role are clearly advantage the advantage women, the advantage children, the advantage men absolutely is the model. And now you're saying something which is against sick, clearly, it's not in their economic

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interests? And so is it the case that because of this canceling? Yeah, it's because I think it's because I'm trying to stick up for the baseline morality of humanity. It's interesting what you just said earlier, as well, from the Islamic point of view that we're born with an innate good and innate understanding. Yeah, I think that women innately, maybe the world has convinced them otherwise. But from my experiences, the only thing that satisfies them is becoming a mother, and nothing else is gonna fill that hole in your heart, no amount of Sex in the City, Starbucks make up Instagram likes career, all this crap, there's a reason you are sad. And the reason you are sad is because you

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should have been a mother, eight years ago. And this is why you feel miserable inside. And this is something that females are born innately with. And society is trying to convince the out of them. And that's why you have so much confusion in the world today. And like you said, this is why they ended up being less happy after this liberation than they were before. And I'm not saying that women shouldn't have free choice, I think women should absolutely be allowed to do whatever they want. But they should sit and understand that the matrix and the system, the propaganda machine that they're sitting in digesting is trying very hard to convince them to move away from the natural instincts

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when you sit and watch Sex in the City about some 49 year old woman with no kids who's having a great time, and is 0% Depressed on her 58 *ing dude. And you're sitting there watching it, they are trying to program you and most women don't realize the level of propaganda they're existing under. This also goes back to the earlier point I made about Trojan horses, because this is how they do everything. Feminism was about giving women the vote, right? Then they sneak in all this other insanity. Let's not allow women to have kids, let's try and convince them not to let's convince women not to respect our man and make him feel like a man in his own household. Let's convince women

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that they can physically attack a man on the street, and they have no disadvantage at all, because they're just as strong as a man is, let's convince the women of this insanity. But will Trojan horse in with feminism. So if you say, Well, I'm against feminism, Oh, you don't want women to vote? No, no, it's the same thing to do with the green New Deal, right? We want to save the planet and sneak the money in. So you have to also understand and I wish people were more personifications that can understand that any agenda that the mainstream media is purporting any agenda they're trying to make you swallow, there are hidden agendas and hidden backdoors in all of it, there always will be. And

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it doesn't matter. Whether it's a passport for a particular injection, it doesn't matter if it's ideologues ideology, is no matter what it is, they are trying to give you the surface level understanding that you can't disagree with so all the things you don't like come in, right. And that's the scary thing about a lot of it is just a simple explanation that it's in the economic interests of the West and the elites. And it's no coincidence that second wave feminism really took off after World War Two, the infrastructure of these countries was damaged. And these guys were bringing immigrants from all these countries now that you know, that's why we've got so many

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immigrants and so called immigrants, people from abroad, ex colonies, whatever UK or whatever it is, they needed women in the workforce. So this was a convenient ideology, but which is now taking a Frankenstein form, and which is endangered women, endangered children put women and children both in a very bad predicament. You're saying something opposite to this. They're saying if this guy gets too popular, we're gonna lose money. Oh, completely. It's and it's not even just lose money. I think it's I think it's more sinister than that. I think it's they're going to lose influence and influence is the number one thing they care about. The reason that they pushed feminism so hard, a

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lot of people understand it, so they could double the tax bracket. They wanted women to work so they could double the taxes. But I think the other reason they did it that a lot of people don't consider is that in the modern world and the world you live in today, in the West, you don't raise your children and you don't own your children. You've had these children, I like to believe because you're in love with your partner, and you want to replicate yourself and support your worldviews and the way you view the world, you want that to be instilled in this child. That's not the case, they wanted the woman at work, because if the woman's at home, she likely agrees with the worldviews of

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her man. And that means the children being raised by the mother, and they're likely to adopt those worldviews in the modern world where they convince a woman to get a job, the man to get a job, they inflate the currency so nobody can exist any other way because it's too expensive. The parents are out working all day to school and the Internet and the matrix, raise your children, your children go to school all day and be told things that you may not want them to learn. Then they sit on the internet and read things and watch things you may not want them to watch. You talk to him for 10 minutes at the end of the day and they go to bed. You're fighting with your 10 minutes against

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endless hours of the most entertaining programming, or the most forceful pro

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grabbing in school is forceful on the internet. It's entertaining, convincing them of ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it myself on YouTube, I've seen a guy in America driving his car and his kids were in the backseat, and he was arguing with them about an issue. And they was like, Where did you hear that school? He's like, why did the school tell you that that's not true. And his own children are arguing with him because they learn to in school, have you ever tried to take your children out of school, you'll get fined, you'll get in trouble. Now your kids have to go to school, you have to give your kids away to the school. If you don't give your kids away to the brain drain

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the brainwashing, you'll get in trouble. And the reason they're doing this is because they want to control the youth because the youth is of course, the future of the world. And you have to understand that this whole idea of feminism, this is what I'm saying. You're saying women don't shouldn't vote. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we shouldn't allow children to be brainwashed, we shouldn't separate them from their parents to the point where they're going to absorb ideals, like and I've seen the Muslim community, the only one standing at the gates of schools saying you're not going to teach this to our kids, the only ones who will stand up against it. Because in the in

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the white Christian traditionalist of England, the British, they just sit there and let their children ship them off for programming, just ship them over. It's insanity, you don't raise your own kids anymore. Absolutely. And you know, what's so ironic about this is that if you read the 30 articles of the Human Rights Convention, I think it's number 27, or something like this, which says that

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a human being has a right to educate their children or what their what their children is educated about. So on the one hand, they're saying, Look, you can educate your child, you can choose what education they have. But on the other hand knows the state, the Orwellian state, the thought police that they've got a contradiction there. But what's even more pernicious, I think, as you said, is that it's this is a religion. I mean, at the end of the day, I think anthropologists, maybe 100 years from now gonna look back in western civilization and say, an individual with with these traits is identifying in this way. This is a mythology of some sorts of fiction of some sorts. And this is,

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this is a religion of the Western world, they they sacrifice the religion that day, the conventional idea of one God creating the universe, for this preposterous idea, all this mythological idea that you know, you can identify as x and you're what you're actually scientifically why, and then now trying to put this religion on our children. Now, you said it good enough video because I actually saw a video that you a small clip, like you know, a lot of your clips have become viral like on shorts and Tik Tok. And one of them was where you were saying that you can do what you want. I'm in the West. Just to be clear, I don't think either of us, or any of us have said, No, we want to stop

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you from doing what we're saying. You can do what you want. And we're not stopping you from doing what you want. We're not trying to encroach on your rights, you live in the West, you have your rights. But what we're saying is that the red line is the children. Absolutely, they need to understand anybody with any idea and we don't have to talk about particularly sexuality because people get offended for it. Let's talk about something benign, that makes it a lot harder for them to cut me off and Miss construe me like they always do. Let's talk about orange juice. If I don't like orange juice, and I've had children that I'm responsible, they'll still do it with orange

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juice, I know they will, they'll say that he was analyzed.

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I can't wait, I can't win. But if I have children, and I raise them, and I'm responsible for them, and I decided to have them and I sacrifice that for them. And I decide that I don't want them to drink orange juice. It's not fair for the government to come along and say it doesn't matter what you want, we're going to force them to drink orange juice. And this is what they effectively do with so many of these ideologies. And you're right, it's to a degree, it's a religion, they are so fervent and so can so desperate for people to accept and believe in these things. This is why people say I'm an atheist, there's no such thing as an atheist, you either believe in God or you believe in

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the devil. And you believe in the degeneracy. There's no, there's no in between. I've never seen anybody who's an atheist who's genuinely just neutral to these things, right? They always end up agreeing with this craziness. I think the main reason people call themselves atheists, and so they have an excuse to do bad things and not feel guilty about, you know, what, what they know innately is wrong. But you're completely right. It's completely unfair for people with a certain ideology to come along and say that we must teach children my ideology, regardless of what their parents believe in think that's truly disgusting. And feminism. And the whole idea of getting the mother out of the

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household and locking the children in these educational camps is the reason they wanted to do all this stuff. And they want to control the youth, especially the youth because children are the easiest to manipulate to shape the future. And they're trying to shape the future of the children's that they are very good at ignoring their own innate moralities. And also very good at ignoring our own eyes. When you said earlier about X and Y, I perfectly understood you were on YouTube so well to talk very carefully. But if you can convince somebody that a giraffe is a horse, and you can convince them that even if they look directly at a giraffe, that they that they know that they're

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they their mind tells them it's a horse, regardless of the fact that they can see a giraffe before their very eyes, then they are completely open for all forms of slave programming. Once you get people to ignore their eyes, well then then then the game is complete, right? So this is purposeful, this is done on purpose. I was doing at one point, I was at a like, I did a poll on postgraduate on gender studies and I was speaking to this person on the left. And she said that, you know, the penis is a social construct, of course. So I said okay, well, no problem then in that on that logic, rape is a social construct. Yeah, because

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As the same thing, if you if you take your belief to its logical conclusion, then it actually leads to things that you don't want to happen. for example, if you say that racism so if I can identify as a black man or a white man or whatever, then racism becomes a social construct. So it's, it's once again, if you if you take your ideas and stretch them out, you get exactly the opposite of what you're trying to achieve. And I don't think this has been thought out properly. But these people don't think and this is what's amazing is shows what privileged world we live in. They don't think because their ideas, the reason they don't think, is because their ideas aren't tested. When your

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ideas are tested and challenged, you have to find a way to rebut and prove your ideas to be true. The reason their ideas aren't tested is because of censorship. If you argue against these ideas, they delete the other side of the argument, which means we now live in a false version of reality, because one side of the argument is completely decimated and deleted. Hence, two computers report the matrix and this is exactly where we are, if we could freely talk and argue against these points, they'd be gone, but we can't, which is why they still exist, which is why false ideas which should have been destroyed long ago are now pertinent amongst the population because of the matrix and

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their media machine. And the false computer generated reality we're forced to live under under the guise of censorship. And this is what this is what we say. I said, this is somebody who says, oh, man, you lost your Instagram. That's, that must suck. I'm like, Yeah, okay, I lost Instagram, I can't show off my fancy cars. Cool. But it's not about that this is about genuinely good versus evil. This is about the fact that if you read any history book, the people who did the censoring were never the good guys, this is genuinely about the forces of evil versus God. That's what this is about. It's not about my Instagram page, it's about the fact that there are ideas that they have now

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that we can't talk against. for the last three years, they had this thing we weren't allowed to talk against, and look what it did to people look at it decimated people locking in their houses, destroying people's businesses, etc. And guess what's going to come next, another idea we're nonstock against, and another one I want to talk against. And people think that anyone who's ignorant enough to sit there and trust the rulers of earth or their government and go, they're going to come up with ideas I can't disagree with and nobody can disagree with and those ideas are going to be good for me, well, then you are a dummy. And you deserve what comes next. I think the Mosque

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has dropped with your with your cancellation. Because at the end of the day, when with your cancellation, it's as if they couldn't contain themselves it was as if they made a mistake? Yes, I would like to think that I would like to think that we've now reached a critical mass. And I was perhaps the last person needed to truly show the agenda behind how these people work. I think it's I think it's a perfect storm with the fact that one of the things I talked about, they proved me completely right to I said I was going to be canceled three, the they thought I was small enough to crush and they realized that my fans are loyal enough to follow me anywhere. So I become more

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popular posts cancellation, which also inspires people, right. I think the number one the reason cancellation was such a powerful weapon is because if they can't see you, you're done. But once I prove that's not the case, then people are gonna go you know what, this is such an important issue. I'm going to tell the truth anyway. Because if they cancel me, I won't be done, I think with you is a bit different. Because I mean, you didn't have a you don't have a company or a program that if you cancel them, you lose all your customers. You I mean, you are the product yourself. I mean, they can't change your face or trying to you know, get rid of well, they will well they can they can try

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maybe maybe they will Yeah, and that's that's the only thing I will say about being cancelled. In terms of being cancelled. I'm more popular than I've ever been. I've now moved over to rumble, which is a YouTube competitor. rumble.com/hate speech you can speak with absolute freedom is just as good as YouTube. I encourage everybody, anyone with a YouTube account, you can go to rumble.com, you can backup your entire account with a few clicks of a button, it will download all your videos, upload them all automatically get that done, because YouTube will vanish you like this. So that's rumble where you can find me. But yeah, the only bad thing about being canceled is you have three strikes

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you first they try and shut you up and lie about you and hope you will be quiet. And if that doesn't happen, they try and put you in jail for something you didn't do. And if that doesn't work, they kill you. So when you lose your first strike, that is kind of scary to know now that okay, they've told me I must be quiet. And I'm not being quiet. Yeah. So they're sitting around going, Oh, big mouth still wants to talk. Yeah. And they're coming up with a plan to try and make me be quiet that is disconcerting. It's disconcerting. I think this is very relevant to the Muslim community, bro. Like, in general, because the reason why I feel like this cancellation should be like, such a

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concern for the Muslim community is because if this can be done to you, because of X, Y, Zed view that you have, or that you had before Islam, let's say a lot of those views were commensurate with Islam fully commensurate with visions, especially your traditional views, gender roles, so So congruent with it. Now, if if they're allowing you to, if they're doing that with you, then we're next. And we've got two choices. Either we preempt the situation like what we're doing right now, and holding these unelected elites to account or we see them as lame ducks and put our neck on the chopping board and we will be next. Yeah, absolutely. And this is why once again when I was saying

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earlier about about the reason I adopted Islam and how you have red lines and things you stand up for Islamic community, the only ones I see who are outside schools trying to protest and protect our own children to the only ones who have a baseline moral fiber that

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can't be corrupted, where you're in Dubai, right? You could walk outside and find a construction worker in the heat for $300 a month. If you offered him a million dollars to denounce his lawn, he wouldn't do it. He could not be bought. And let me say something else as well on that, do you know what we're talking about? hypergamy which I agree, all the almost all the studies like this one by King and stuff like that shows that

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hypergamy is a real thing, right? That women will marry, you know, across an up dominance hierarchies. However, there's one thing I'll say about Muslim women, right? For the most part, and no study has been done on this. But I from my own experience, I will tell you this for a fact. Yeah. If you go to 100, Muslim women, 1000 Muslim woman, and tell them, Look, you know, this, you've got this millionaire, but he's not a Muslim, you know, he wants to marry you. For the most part, I believe that they will reject that offer, which shows you a certain level of loyalty that we have as a community that we have as Muslim people, which is inspired from the Quran, to be honest with you,

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quite often, mutton has just learned that you are the best community that was sent from the people. And that the Prophet told us about these kinds of things, and shows you quite frankly, the strength of the Muslim community based on faith, a transcendental idea. Yeah. And so that's one thing and one of the things I will say is what really what you are I consider you as a perpetual optimist, you're an optimistic person. Yep. And even post your cancellation. You can tell it did affect your human being. Yep. Bad things affected the Prophet Muhammad, Allah Salam, you know, in the Quran, so Tasha, nurse, and God is speaking to the Prophet and says, you know, don't fear that people fear me, you

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know, or you fear that people don't don't fear them. But for me, these kinds of things, it did affect you as it would affect me as affect anyone. But what I continued seeing with you is reasons to make it good. Yeah, perpetual optimism. And this is exactly Islam. Because the Prophet Muhammad wa salam said, or it was said about him and a hadith, Kana Yajima. Who fell, he used to love optimism. Optimism is an integral part of Islam is always finding a reason why this thing is good. Yeah. And that is because at the end of it at the end of it, what is it your either your sins are being deleted. From the Islamic perspective, when you go through a trial or tribulation, your sins

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are being deleted, you're going through challenges strengthening your Eman your faith, your person, or is putting you in a higher rank in the hereafter. Yep. And we believe obviously in heaven, and hell, we believe in these things as real constructs. We don't believe in these things as metaphoric, or something like that. So we believe that this is, so it's only good things really, as you consider it. And so in many ways, one can see why a religion like that would would suit someone like yourself. I mean, you mentioned probably like a radar before. And you mentioned that, you know, he's got training, and then he's got praying and training and praying. And there's something else about

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Habib, which I think is really powerful, is that he represents I think, a very virtuous thing, which is that he is both humble and confident. Yeah. And that's what the virtue is. And at the end of the day, if you have that kind of mindset, a strong mindset, a disciplinarian mindset, for yourself and for your family, I think that is, in many ways, it is the remedy for a lot of these mental health issues. Oh, absolutely. And I also think that God is is, is pleased with you, when you show him the beauty of His creation, I think that God is pleased with you, when you work as hard as you possibly can. And you do the best you can. And anything you're going to attempt, God loves people who work

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hard and try hard. And in my own personal life, I can see that God is very happy with me when I give it 100%. And very few people give anything 100% anymore. I just very rare you meet somebody, and they if they're honest with themselves and with you and with God, say I gave it everything I had, they gave it some they tried a bit, they got demotivated, they got distracted, they got tempted. But when you truly give your 100% to something, I think that makes God very happy with you. And I, I think he rewards us for that. What would you what would your advice be to somebody? Because this is one thing that you're credited with, even by your enemies? Right. Your detractors, they say that,

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you know, you can say what you want about him, even Piers Morgan said that, but you know, you've given confidence to young men. There's a lot of young men now young women that require that discipline, what kind of advice would you give them practical advice? Yeah, I think that you have to live. There's a lot of practical advice I can give in terms of the religious sense, I would say you need to live like God is always watching, you may have the opportunity to do something bad or he may have an opportunity to steal some money or snake somebody but in the end, you're going to pay for that and the bill will be paid. And I think if you do the right thing, in my experience, if you're a

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person who does the right thing, firm handshake is on time doesn't lie to anybody does what he's supposed to do is honest with a good heart is genuinely polite to everyone he meets if you are that person you get very far in life I have I've yet to meet people who just do all the simple things, right? Who completely fail at life, but I've met a lot of people who snake or steal some money and they get really rich and they lose it all or they get rich and end up a gambling addict or depressed or etc. So you have to just understand that God is always watching he's gonna reward you in the end. That's the first thing and the second thing I will say is that you are the sum of the five people

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you spend the most time with and you need to create your reality. I think the biggest problem with young people today is that they don't correct

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The reality is heavily enough that people that they want to spend most time with aren't adding any value to their lives and then they end up wondering why they don't get anywhere. It's so interesting as you speak it's as if you're doing Hadith because there's what would you say God is watching it sounds nice. When you say an Arabic It sounds I need to learn that parner on his there was a hadith that says that the highest form of faith is and tabula can Mecca Tara for a lamp tycoon Tara Hofer in New York because that you should worship God as if he sees you because if he doesn't, if you don't see him, he sees you. Yeah. And on the on the friends issue. And there's a hadith on that as

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well. Like, you know, that Allah Allah Dini holily, that the person is on the religion of his friends. Yep. So a lot of as you say, this is decided I need to learn at all. And this is I'll say this. Now the thing that was most daunting for me about converting was the amount I'd have to learn. Yeah, that's what scared I'm not taking easy. That's what's scary about it, you know, but I mean, I'm a fast learner. I'm a stupid guy, but it's just like, Okay, I have a lot to do. The Prophet Muhammad told us in the Hadith, in the denials, that the religion is easy. Well, I shut the dinar head on Allah, Allah, no one tries to overburden themselves with the religion except that it defeats

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them. In other words, take it incrementally. Yeah. And, you know, I showed one of the ones that the Prophet, she said that if the first thing that had been revealed to the people was, this is a permissible, and this is impermissible, people wouldn't have done it. Yes. So you know, the first things that came down in terms of revelation were the verses of Heaven and Hell and these kinds of things. So I would say take it easy. It's a very, it's a journey, like you're like, it's like kickboxing you probably came in, but when you're a young guy, let him the round house, it took some time to kind of develop competence in that field. And it's like anything else? So it's, it's an easy

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process, but it's a gradual process. What I wanted to speak to you a little bit about as conceptions of masculinity. Okay. Yeah. So

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I think you've been criticized with that as well, like, you know, the toxic masculinity, supposedly, yeah. Which is a very such a vague term, it's almost like The Community Guide. Well, it's almost like the community guidelines of these social media companies, right, they give this stupid definition of a term, which basically can be applied to anybody in anything willy nilly deciding whether they like you or not, it's very vague, it's not solid, what they're trying to say is that you're overly masculine, and that some of the traits which are innate inside of you, as a man are somehow now bad for society or for other people, which is absolutely insane to even try and

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conceptualize, because that is, it's asinine, and it's childish, because, like anyone with a brain understands that there are certain scenarios in life where particular qualities are completely applicable and permissible under certain scenarios when they're not to sit and say it's toxically masculine for men to be violent, is stupid, because there are scenarios in life where you need a man to be violent if someone breaks into your house, or if you go to war, or you call a police officer. So it's not a matter of, you know, a certain subset of masculine qualities being labeled negative because these qualities exist, because we've needed them for a very long time. And I argue we still

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need them. So no one interferes with their interests. And only when it interferes with their interest. It's kind of funny. I was arguing with the feminists like I've done a bunch. And she was talking about toxic masculinity. He was talking about the idea that men are innately violent, and how that's bad. And I said, You think that's bad? Because you're living in an extremely privileged society and a very privileged life. But I'll tell you that that's not bad. Because you even in and of yourself, may not know this, but you like the idea of men being violent? Because let's say I lost my mind right now. Or let's say an intruder broke in and threatened you physically? Yeah, exactly.

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You would call a man to be violent. You call the police and say, Please be violent to protect me if you believe in violence very much. Yeah. So for you to sit there and say all of that violence is toxically. Masculine, but you call a toxically, masculine man, when the trouble comes, shows that the whole idea in and of itself is hypocritical and is garbage and it's stupid. And what they're trying to do is brainwash people into thinking that if you stand up for yourself, or if you are true to the innate way, we were built, the things that are inside of us when we're born, that there's something wrong with you, they want you confused, they want you to sit and go, I'm a man. And what's

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happening around me, I think is unfair, and it makes me feel unhappy about it. And I want to stand up and talk and fight against it. They want to convince you that that's wrong, and you're a bad person for wanting to defend your ideas. And I don't think that's the case. That's simply the absolute opposite. In fact, absolutely. And the thing is, a lot of people will think that, you know, this idea of a man is just simply that our idea of a man or the the Islamic State, for example, I do have a manager's this violent creature. The truth is, like you said, violence is just an integral part or the ability capacity to do it in situations where there's a need for it. It's just one part

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of the puzzle. Like for example, you know, the Prophet Muhammad was really interesting thing we know he had nine wives at one time, which is very difficult to me, you can probably proud 99 at one and it's the UK consistent relationships. It's not like divorce and Moses like you actually living with these. So nine at one time, and then that's one thing and then you've got he had six children, all of which died in his life.

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Time, only one of them survived afterwards. So he had to live with the grief of that his wife died at his time as well. He had to live with the view that he loved his first wife, Khadija who was older than him, she died. So you have to live with that grief. You have to live with the grief his uncles. And so he dealt with that we've got narrations of him crying when his son died. But But what did he do? He didn't just okay cry and that's it give up. He cried. And he went to war. The next day, he cried. Then he went down a sermon the next day, he you know, he, he felt the grief. But then he you know, he had 19 was a participation. And it wasn't just these are not wars that he told other

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people to do. Well, he sat in some some conditions place. He went and actually involved himself in these wars. Yeah. You know, he was finally died in one of those walls. So he was engaging in war. He was the leader of a polity. He had nine wives at one time, or manage and managing all that he prayed half of the night. So imagine, like you said, for Steve, what was the problem houses have may have prayed for that long I actually praying for that long. And that's an incredibly difficult thing to do. You know, he, his children died, he was directing the people. I mean, if you really think about it from a KPI perspective, key performance indicators. You know, 4400 years, people have been

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following the teachings of this man, from the most grandiose of things, to the most miniscule of things. I mean, this is influence. And even Pantheon, I think is one of the organizations that have ranked they've put him as number one, because they how can they How could you not How could you deny his influence stretches cross culturally, it stretches historically, you know, and, and then also we got the Quran, you know, they got the Hadith, we've got 1000s of Hadith where the Quran? This is the role model for the Muslims. Yeah, you see what I mean? And it's a lot of men that nowadays, I'll be honest, within the Muslim community and outside the Muslim clinic, we don't have those kinds of role

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models. Yeah, we're, the religious clergy are nothing like warriors. And the Warriors are nothing like, you know, intellectuals or anything like that. And I could not remember who had done this, who said this quote, but it was such a powerful one. It was an English, it was either Aristotle or Socrates, I think it was the quote, you're about to say, No, I don't remember the quote. First. He said something to the effect of, if you if you separate the fighting man, from the thinking, then you have fools that you have fools that fight. And you have cowards, that thing? Yeah, completely. And I think it was, there's a similar quote by either Socrates or Aristotle. Yeah, he said something

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very similar. He said,

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if you're if you're warriors, and you're thinking about our separate, then you nailed it. Exactly exactly the same. I think it's one of those two, but no, and you're completely right, it's completely true. And

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that is what the world is lacking now as a whole. And it's kind of insane. When you look at how the world works, you have these thinkers sitting around, and some government buildings, sending warriors to die, and the Warriors don't understand why, and the thinkers are too scared to go do it themselves. And it's kind of strange how all societies even, you know, limping along as it is, but I agree with you, I think that's the essence of a complete man. And when you were telling me about the adversaries, the adversities that were faced, and how he stood up, and he fought against them, and move forward anyway, I think this is what God wants from us, from all of us, it doesn't matter what

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the adversary is, it doesn't matter how much you're hurt by it, you need to allow it to motivate you to push harder and show your power and show your resilience. And it's almost like, even before I became Islamic, I very much understood that when bad things happen. To me, this is a lesson from the universe or from God or from the Creator to, to, to stand up and show who I am and who I can be, and to take all of the pain and anguish and disappointment and heartbreak and all of this and turn it into a force I can use for good and to make myself a better person. And I think if you don't approach life this way, that you're always going to struggle, because life is hard for everybody.

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It's going to be hard. It doesn't matter who you are, what you do, you need to be resilient to it. And I think that Islam is a fantastic way to understand exactly how to handle adversities and move forward. So well, I'll want to end in a second. But I just want to say one thing, which is that for those who don't know what Islam is, Islam is a very, very basic religion. And it really is just a belief and worship in one god worthy of worship, as we've talked about today is not your desires. It's not the society, it's not the matrix or the LWR liberal world order. It's not any of those things, really, it's just belief in worshiping one God, and is the belief in all of the messengers,

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Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and we believe the final messengers, Prophet Muhammad, who I've just described, a second ago. And if you if someone just believes in those two things, actually, for all intents and purposes, they're almost limited. And all they have to do next is stop praying five times a day, which is what Andrew Tate has, has done. It's been a pleasure having you on. I know you're a bit tired and fatigued. So I don't want to make it too long for you, and we'll get something to be after this. I don't know how long we've been talking for how long we've been speaking for.

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I think that's a good time. Yeah. And we can do another one as well, especially as my journey continues. And as I learn more, and as I get more knowledgeable, I would love and you know, a year or so or six, seven months, etc, would meet up again and do some salutely and if you need anything from us, obviously we always been in communication with you if you need to have resources, research, anything like that. Perfect and you're part of the community and one thing I want to say to the Muslim people is we must show

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loyalty and unity with Andrew Tate in the sense that he is now one of our brothers. And it is absolutely unforgivable to say things that some of these feminist Muslims have been saying. And in fact if anything, they need to be the ones who are refuted. undertake now is a brother of ours, his sins have been completely wiped away. And and that really, is that thank you so much, Andrew, for coming. Thank you. Thank you very much, man. And it's been educational and very interesting. Thank you my friend. Thank you, brother.