Compiling the Quran and Bible 6
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was salam ala Nabina, Muhammad Allah and he was savage mine.
Okay. Brothers and sisters, let us talk now
about the formation of the cannon.
Who said the cannon? Cannon?
Cannon? No, not that Canon, the Canon, what is the official Bible? What we've been talking about now are the individual components and constituents of the Bible, the narrative gospels act of the apostle letters of Paul. But now, how do we put all this together in something and call it a Bible?
The canon of the Bible? What is the official Bible what is canonical, right?
The son of a bishop, and a wealthy ship owner, was the first person to suggest
forming a cannon
whose name was Martian
not from Mars Martian, his name is Martian, but it's not spelled like Martian, okay? Sorry, ma R
C IO n.
Okay, he is the first one to propose as far as I know, the formation of a cannon. Let's put all this together
into
a compilation that we can call now, the word of God the Bible.
The church
did not accept the suggestion.
And there is a good reason. Because he only wanted to include Luke and Paul.
Forget everything else.
In fact, he wanted to reject all Jewish scripture and history
portion.
And this seemed to be a tendency with Paul as well.
And discouraging the law as Paul also discouraged the law.
He died in 160s See,
motion and he was later branded a heretic by the church.
He's a heretic because he is refusing all of these other gospels. He wants to form a Canon based on Luke and Paul only he wants to reject everything of the Jewish scripture in history.
They branded him as a heretic.
But they eventually did take his suggestion
to form a Canon
one of the first list
that lists the books of the Bible that can be considered the genuine work and words of God was the list called the moratorium canon.
The moratorium cannon, this was in the end of the second century. So a little bit after Martian died.
However,
there is a more
common and well known list
and
this is the list of you Subarus
list of your Subarus
U S E.
B R U S.
You should be us was the Bishop of Syria.
A sled Iya.
He was very famous and respected. He had written a multi volume history of the Church known as the Ecclesiastical History famous book.
He confirmed
21 books.
According to him, the word of God is restricted to 21 books not the 27 we mentioned in the beginning.
This is in three to five CE following Nicaea.
Notice until now,
there is no consensus about what is the word of God. What is the Canon
should be
says 21 books only.
Right?
The other six of the 27 were later approved.
And the next council and 364.
In Laodicea, the Council of Laodicea
I get the feeling you you want me to start writing this?
The spelling and the dates. We'll get to it when they when we started the translations right now these are I think that these are the only data
Council of Laodicea. I'll write it down eventually inshallah. Yeah.
Okay, so this is in 364 CE, that's when the later six books were approved, okay.
By the Bishop of Alexandria Athanasius.
So the Bishop of Alexandria then approved the six coloring books to make it 27. That was in 3/64. V. In the Council of Laodicea. Those extra six were the epistle of Jude,
the Epistle of James
the second episode of pillar
the second and third episodes of John.
Hebrews was a subject of controversy, the book of Hebrews, but it was also inserted.
Interestingly, the book of Revelation,
which some of you may know, is a huge subject of controversy. Is it authentic? Is it not authentic? Is that correctly attributed to John or not?
Of course, it doesn't resemble his writing in the least, okay, looks very different.
It was not accepted before Laodicea. Before 364 D. Revelation was not accepted as part of the canon. And others say that it was even later that it was accepted
as
biblical material.
In Alexandria, before Nicaea,
the Gospel of Barnabas was canonical.
The Gospel of Barnabas was canonical, where you will find some similarity with Islamic teachings that was canonical in Alexandria.
Okay,
before Nicaea. So we said, those formative years were very important those 300 years before Nicaea. Nicaea is the time where they believe they established things, but for all practical purposes, we may say, in hindsight, they completely destroyed any traces of what was originally taught of Jesus peace be upon him.
So
we said that
the establishment of the Canon only happened much later.
And
as we now have a Canon, and we know, what is officially the Word of God,
according to the Christian, what is the genuine Bible now, the 27 books? Now let us look at well, then when is the first official Bible, the first official Bible Manuscript,
and we will find that the oldest complete Bible Manuscript dates to the fourth century,
soon after, the Canon was established in 364.
The Canon was established and 364. Soon afterwards, we have the total this complete Bible Manuscript. And this, as you know, is the celebrated Codex Sinaiticus
from the Sinai, Codex Sinaiticus or Sinaiticus?
The other
A famous one is Codex Vaticanus as well,
when Atticus is considered the oldest complete manuscript
that you want me to spell that as well. Okay.
I'll get the Cinetic is Codex, the Eau de x? Right, Sinaiticus si n a? Is
this a spelling bee or one?
S I N? I see I see us
right now from the side I go
in Egypt?
Ah, it's very nice.
Yeah, you'll see it immediately.
On the sad thing,
brothers and sisters,
buy tickets from Vatican. The sad thing is that even Sinaiticus is not complete.
Consider the oldest complete,
but big part of the Old Testament is missing.
Including, believe it or not? Are you ready for this? The painter took
the first five books of Moses.
This is the oldest complete, complete, underline,
quote unquote, manuscript.
And such a big part of the old tea is missing the Old Testament.
But this is the manuscript that has gotten a lot of attention. And you can it's accessible online. Just go to Codex Sinaiticus, okay?
This is with regards to the formation of the canon.
Let us now speak about the translations.
For that, I will need the board I'll start writing some
things here.
We said one of the biggest problems with regards to stunting the compilation. One of the biggest problems regarding the compilation of the Bible.
Number one is how it was compiled. As we can see,
the anonymous authors gospels flying around the very late formation of the Canon as we saw it. And in addition now to all of that, so we are now in two minds about the originality of the original text and the original manuscript. But now we'll get we're going to add another layer of
problems, which is the translations.
All of what we've been mentioning, we didn't say a word about translation, we're talking about the original manuscripts that existed. Why do we said a little bit when we said, well, it's a Greek manuscript.
All these manuscripts are Greek, who translated it?
When, why? How was the original? Where's the Aramaic? Where's the Hebrew? Right? The oldest manuscripts are Greek. There are some 5700 manuscripts, Greek manuscripts, but again, you know, some of them are fragments, some of them are as small as a, you know, maybe a small index card, that's a fragment. That's a that's a manuscript, right? This is there are some 5700 Greek manuscripts, but it's in Greek, it's already you're already in translation number one, or maybe even two.
If we were to compare that to the Quran, so we're talking about, maybe a text that's already translated, someone translated the Quran, to one of the original, or one of the older languages, and we are looking at that now we're not looking at the original Arabic. So we're talking about these manuscripts all being in Greek. Again, no one can confirm without doubt, that Jesus peace be upon him spoke Greek. Obviously, it would be excellent
for them
If they can prove Yes, Jesus peace be upon him spoke Greek there, ha.
And the manuscripts are in Greek, but
where's the evidence? Right?
So with regards to the translations,
we have these Greek manuscripts. So we already have a translation to Greek. Then we have let me put on a
line here.
And we're going to start this line with
three ad to
see.
Okay?
The Latin Vulgate.
Ready to see, what is the Latin Vulgate? It is the first translation from Greek to Latin by St. Jerome.
Went drove
okay
now we have Latin translation of the Bible.
Very good.
Next.
Nearby
have exactly.
15
Let's let me put this one first.
No, let me put this one first.
Whoa, shake. This is not the scale. Yeah, you're right. It's not the scale.
to 215 that means this is 4000 or something else, right? Well, the problem is, we're gonna see most of the dates here. So that'd be right here not to scale.
All right,
here.
And because this is where it gets really important, yes, obviously, some things happen here as well. But for all practical purposes, this is how the Bible existed for centuries, Greek and Latin.
So guess who read the Bible. Guess who had access to the Bible.
The people who spoke Greek and Latin, the priests, the clergy,
the layman didn't have access.
There regular Christians had access through the church, through the priests, right.
Through that knowledgeable person, it's not them sitting there and reading the Bible. Don't think about it the way we sit down with the Quran and read it. It's that's not the way it was. They didn't have access.
People didn't speak Greek and Latin, for all practical purposes, but some of the priests and clergymen did,
until of course,
this is an important date 1516.
This is another Greek translation. Again.
This is another Greek translation, but an important one nonetheless, because you use the lord of Greek manuscripts for his translation, but it was in Greek as well by Erasmus was a Greek translation as well.
So why because he saw differences, he saw things that needed to be corrected. So he did his own Greek translation.
He is not Greek but the translation is Greek. That's what we care about.
Okay, yes.
Okay.
Greek.
Well, I mean, Erasmus said that he translated from so many of the older Greek manuscripts, but he wasn't happy with whatever he had. And therefore,
he revised, he tried to correct and offer a better rendering, let's say, okay, um, the Bible. Did he also consult
The Latin Vulgate I believe he did believe he did if I'm not mistaken
okay
now
we're talking about these Bibles. But
this is not a Greek Bible or a Latin Bible. Where is the English Bible? We want to know the English Bible. Right? Very important. The first English Bible was by
a man by the name of whitecliff. I'm gonna have to put him somewhere here.
I'm going to put him here
to
whitecliff
believe it's a double f no.
Oh,
first English Bible
sometime in the 16th century.
1500 years after Jesus peace be upon him, the language that so many people spoke finally, we've been waiting for this, right? People have been waiting for this.
It's around the 16th century. Okay, exactly when not absolutely sure.
Because it didn't spread
did not really spread. Okay. And it was based on what?
Now the original manuscripts based on the Vulgate
based on Vulgate
based on the Latin
wasn't that easy to go to the original Greek, he based it on the Latin Vulgate
he didn't have access, didn't have access to those manuscripts. And as we said, it did not really spread
in this theme, when the sixth
we have a very important Bible
by William
Jindal.
1526 first official English Bible that is going to spread now
based on the earliest manuscripts not quite
based on
Erasmus is Greek translation
okay
based on Erasmus his translation of 1516
indel
was a hero.
No Till now you can find stories for children about William Tyndall, the hero who brought the Bible to the masses
or the masses have access to the Bible.
Especially because
he risked his life to do that, because he was branded as a heretic as well. And he was also burned at the stake
because he committed the cardinal sin of translating the Bible into English and give gave access to the masses now
to the Bible.
This is very important because
something very important happened here.
1518
new very important Christian denomination is born
Protestantism
distant ism is born with Martin Luther 15th 18th,
early 16th century before that,
we don't hear about Protestant, just Catholics and Orthodox, mainly
Protestant Protestantism starts here. Now we have
an English Bible 1526 Soon after
but that's not the Bible I have that's not the Bible we usually use the most famous Bible that maybe everyone knows
James
celebrated in James Version
1611
little bit later
this is the Protestant Bible now,
the KJV
right
this KJV now
based on the Latin Vulgate, no,
mainly on
Kindle then there's English translation.
So, again, maybe Aramaic, Greek, Greek to Latin,
Greek to English.
And then the King James version based all the English so translation upon translation on translation
no matter how good, precise and well intentioned the translator is.
If that were to happen with the Quran, hypothetically, and that's not going to happen.
Slowly, slowly, you will start to see the Quran meanings are a little bit different.
Translated to Chinese, then translate to French from the Chinese translate to Spanish from the French and so on and so forth. Slowly slowly, you will see small differences
the King James Version is now based mainly on Tindall and other English translations.
Now,
actually, there were many translations between Tyndall and the KJ v. the KJV is the most famous one.
Now, and I wish I pushed it a little bit further, but just bear with me. We have another important date here, which is this one here.
We're gonna write that
15 ad tube.
Okay.
So the Protestants now have their
English Bibles.
While the students reformation in the early 16th century, there was something called the Catholic Counter Reformation.
They're countering the Protestant Reformation. They won their own Catholic English Bible now.
Though, the famous
way, Reims
Catholic version ethylic English translation
Okay.
However this is only for the N T
for the New Testament,
the latter part
ot in 1609.
The way rooms
translation
now
many of the revisions today
the AV
the NAB
RSV
the NIV you've heard all of these
We go through the acronyms
Authorized Version,
New American Bible,
Revised Standard Version, New International Version, all are based on
very important a JV
the KJV of this translation based on Tyndale and others.
Right? Translation upon translation, and now the revisions are not based necessarily on the it's based on the KJV, and then looking at other manuscripts as well. And that's why it will be revised to the New King James Version. And then all of these other revisions, so get translation upon translation versions, some of these versions are trying to correct
they're trying to correct
so the KJV For all practical purposes, is the main Bible for for centuries.
The KJV
because, as you will see, these are a little bit later. So
the RV was an 18 at
the RV, the revised version,
then again in 1901.
Another revision, okay
RSV,
important revision 1952.
RSV,
another revision.
And again, in 1971.
By the way,
if you talk to a Christian, they'll say yeah, see how much importance we're giving to the Bible? Keep looking at it, revising, correcting.
Yeah, that's how they see it.
Giving attention, the most revised book in the whole world, the one that has gotten the most attention, I agree. But why do you need to revise? Why do you keep needing to revise that means there are issues.
If this was the main Bible for four centuries, there were issues. People were reading the Bible, but it had issues.
In the preface of the RSP, the Revised Standard Version Version, they say there is nothing more authentic than the KJV.
This is the revision of the KJV nothing more authentic, but then immediately they say the gate the KJV has grave defects
grave defects
the preface of the RSV
Well, no revisions are going on now rather
have to keep revising their visions keep going on there's there are 10s of revisions. probably hundreds.
Yeah. Updating, updating, revising. No, no, it's going on. So many these are the some of the famous ones. There's so many,
many.
Okay.
Let's talk now, about
some of the verses that were removed or changed.
We have been discussing
the
modifications and changes and revisions. We want to know what is being changed. Is it serious? Is it a comma? Is it a letter?
What is being changed exactly.
Okay, so
I will take you to
what we may consider the beginning of the NT.
We said Mark is possibly the earliest written manuscript is known as the earliest gospel. We know Paul's letters are before that. But amongst these gospels, when you open the Bible, the first thing you see are the narrative gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John But technically Mark phonologically is earlier he
You watch that live?
Let's see what Mark says from the beginning.
One one from the beginning, literally one, one mark one, one. Okay? I don't know if you have your Bibles or if you want to quickly search on your phones, mark one one, quote, the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and quote
Okay.
Some of the revisions have a footnote
that says, Son of God is not in the earliest manuscripts.
Why not?
Who added it? When? Why?
With what authority?
This is from the very beginning.
Is this a
superficial modification? Is this something? Not a big deal of God? Are you kidding me?
This is your belief system. And Christianity is all about belief.
Those that Christianity is not about belief, no belief is most important in Christianity. And that's why they had these walls between them, of orthodoxy.
The idea of what do we believe the Nicene Creed, people were burnt at the stake because of their beliefs.
It was all about belief, the Council of calcitonin for 51 Who is Jesus? What is he like? Is he have a single nature or a dual nature? Human God or God only or human only they had these wars between them. Because it's all about the
about Orthodoxy about correct belief.
This is very important for them. And it is quite opposite to Judaism. In that sense, Judaism is not a religion of orthodoxy. It's not so much about Okay, fine. They claim they are mono theists. But in Judaism, it's all about practice.
Washing your hands before eating, what ritual you do. It's more about orthopraxy
rather than orthodoxy, Christianity, about belief
that's why Jesus peace be upon them and the Bible keeps telling them what are you asking me about these things what to do and just believe the importance of belief, belief is very important, Son of God
just inserted just like that. Not in the earliest manuscripts
x
x 837.
You want to check that?
X 837.
Philip says, If you believe with all your heart, you may
you may what? You may
the eunuch he was talking to a eunuch. The eunuch answered, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
The NIV the New International Version, omits this verse
37.
So, it will go 836 And then it will go to 38 if you check it in the NIV
37 small footnote not available in the earliest manuscripts
playing around with the Word of God
with the most serious of things we agree with you the importance of belief
in the belief in the One God
not associating any partners with him
another
addition
another example very important example.
John 316 Wow.
If you say John 316.
In fact
Probably a lot of them I've met haven't memorized.
If you got a few, you know if you've been in the West, John 316 is everywhere.
on billboards, huge screens in the stadiums, John 316, wow.
John 316, For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only between brackets begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
This is like fundamental right of their religion.
Many scholars using some of the oldest manuscripts,
they changed it,
they removed begotten, begotten is not there.
It's alive.
The RSV claims that it used some of the oldest manuscripts even older than the KJV.
They say there is no begotten
was inserted, it's an interpolation
are these superficial modifications, brothers and sisters? Is this small difference of opinion about how many people were killed in this battle or that or even then that that's a contradiction, right? But
talking about very serious things,
the most serious
there are many Matthew 1811 2314, Mark 314 1126, Luke 955 than others.
But let me end with the comma Yohanan.
The comma Johan him very important versus well.
John, one John five,
seven.
Quote, for there are three to bear witness in heaven,
the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one
the Father, the Word, a silent Salam, and the Holy Spirit.
And these three are one, this is the crux
of the belief in the Trinity for them. Right, also known as the Kama Johann him or the Johann and Kama.
The ESV and the RSV emitted it
the English Standard Version and the Revised Standard Version omitted the comma Johann.
The NIV also omitted it, but they have a footnote
not found in any Greek manuscript before the 14th century
or 18th century. Someone added this after the 14th century Allah is not notifications from you know the time of Jesus peace be upon him so much later.
That's why
Erasmus is Greek translation did not
become popular.
In fact, it was the object of vile criticism because he deleted it.
He did not include the comma Johann him
that he was under so much pressure to include it. He said, Okay, give me one Greek manuscript that has it and I will include it.
So, a Franciscan friar
in Oxford,
gave it to him in 1520.
So he had to include it.
But the appended a long footnote, and he said, most probably this is a forgery.
What was given to him was a forgery.
Is this the way to deal with the Word of God?
Forget about all of the other changes in the country, these are enough for me.
Some of the biggest changes that have to do with the most important concept, the belief, which I'm sure my Christian friends will agree with me as well, is the most important part is the importance of the belief. This is the situation
changes and modifications or missions, not available in the earliest manuscripts, means this is not the teaching of Jesus peace be upon them. This is not what was said.
If there are any questions or comments at this point, before I conclude with a quick comparison,
yes.
What do we do? Oh, am I going too fast?
Yeah.
It's one of the revisions. And there are many
possibly a lot would be well, I mean, they, I'm sure the Catholics have their own revisions. And they do as well. But again, yeah. What Bible are you using? So? Oh, which version? Oh, I don't have the Kama Johan him. Oh, you do? Right. Which version? Which revision? Of course. So when when we talk about the Bible, which version? Which translation?
So if you go, you know, on online and you want to look up a verse, yes. You have 10s of revisions and versions that you can choose from.
Not necessarily the Catholics do, obviously the Pope. But even then you have different
different authorities, different churches and so on. But
yeah, the Protestants, maybe less. So you'll find more and more revisions, looking at things, looking at manuscripts, maybe new manuscripts that come out that show that you know, okay, something was changed.
Or
something like set that's unchanged?
They do, of course, I mean, regardless of their disagreement or not about the Bible, they have disagreements in theology. They have disagreements in theology is run
hardest since and that's why the schism between Protestantism and Catholicism.
It's the it's the biggest schism. Now. It used to be Catholics and Orthodox. Now it's mainly Protestantism.
And, of course, how those religious differences
manifested themselves in
let's say,
the temporal realm.
The politics, the countries, and their advancement, or lack of
that is also a very vibrant and interesting
realm of research.
Catholicism is, as its main locations, yes, it's worldwide, but you will find that it is more prevalent in certain areas, right. And Protestantism as well. Most of the West is Protestant.
Yes, system.
Yeah. The Orthodox have their own issues, revisions, differences in theology as well. Some of the Eastern Orthodox Christians consider the Western to be
apostates,
non Christians. Why? Because they claim
that there are three gods even though they say no, those three are one.
Those Eastern Orthodox will say no, you cannot say there are three and they are one then but they're split into three.
Yeah.
I had a Coptic Christian tell me that these people they're disbelievers. They say God is three.
We say he is
on what he has three
parts or elements.
They have their own differences, of course.
It's a major theological differences
maybe sudden, what, how public are they?
And what are they using? You know, it's not like they have a Bible to use, it's all been changed without possibility of rectification modifications, the translation upon translation, right.
So, what exactly are they following? Maybe just their own fitrah? No, Jesus peace be upon him is a messenger. God is one, maybe eventually those types will become Muslim inshallah.
We'll find Islam.
One of the my Christian colleagues,
he believed Jesus is not God.
But he still follows the Bible.
Maybe he follows these revisions,
no cover Johan yum. Not in the earliest manuscripts. I don't need that. Mark one, one, I don't need that. He is not the begotten Son of God or anything else. I follow the rest of the Bible.
There are revisions that have omitted some of these verses that are problematic. He still follows the Bible and he believes Jesus please report it as a messenger and he highly respects Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu sallam.
But even then he did not becomes
this, Willa.
What about?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Right.
Okay. I mean, this is, you know, there's a lot to say about Christianity, brothers and sisters, we're just talking about compilation. But, of course, we were just talking a little while before the whole theology is based on the idea of being saved, of Christ dying. For the sins of humanity, all you have to do is believe
we're all sinful, we inherited the sin from Adam, which we do not believe. Right. And therefore, nothing can forgive our sins except the dying of Christ on the cross.
And this is the idea. This is the crux of the Pauline ideology, which is inserted into Christianity the idea of the Savior.
So this is obviously deeply problematic.
Yeah.
Huh.
Interesting, interesting.
They make sense to them. But in the end, they're following the church or the priest or whatever it is. As we saw brothers and sisters for centuries, they did not have access to their book. You don't have Christians sitting there reading their Bible
wasn't translated into a language they understood. They would get it from the priests.
What do you think William Tyndale is considered a hero by some but he was burnt at the stake
for being a heretic by the church because he finally gave people access that was deeply problematic. Now you cannot just you know
give them religion the way you understand it or the way you corrupt it.
Now the people have access now. Wait a second what's going on?
King James Version This is a King James, New King James Version.
Most people use the King James version now.
Put it's Protestant. It's considered the Protestant Bible.
The but again there are revisions.
Like I said, you know, if I'm talking to a Christian, okay, or a Christian is talking to another Christian. And you know, he quotes maybe the karma Johan him or mark one one or something else.
He might say actually, no, I follow the NIV. That's not in my Bible.
So many revisions, so many translations, translation upon translation. Catholics also use some of their own, they have their like own, but again, there are revisions. And, you know, the revisions continue sister, so a church, you know, this is a big thing if a church publishes their own revision of the Bible, so and then it will be attributed to them. So this continues until today.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Furthermore,
sometimes politics is involved.
So this church will publish a new version. Now there's a new version
softening the anti Jewish sentiment sentiment in the Bible.
Yeah. Instead of saying the Jews, the people
love a couple.
Politics also.
This mark marks 16 Mark 16, nine to 29 to 20. Okay, 11 or 12 versus
RSV removed it in 1952.
But because of the objections, they put it back.
Politics, who has more influence, maybe who pays more under objections, they put it back, they removed it.
Maybe we can quickly mention it. I do want to get to the final comparison.
There are a lot of questions Mashallah.
Mark 16.
Right. It's very important as well, it's not like it's not important.
Now, when he was early, on the first day of the week, he appeared, appeared first, Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons. She went and told those who had been with him as they mourned and wept. And when they heard that he was alive, he Jesus peace be upon him and had been seen by her. They did not believe after that he appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country.
And the rest is continued later he appeared to the 11 as they sat in the table, at the table, and he revealed their unbelief and hardness of heart because they did not believe those who had seen him after he had risen. And he said to them, Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Very important, it's about the resurrection.
Once we removed it, under pressure, they they put it back
on.
Not only the Quran warns,
Quran warns of the Washingtonians he was with him for a while he only let the neck to bonell Kitabi ID him
woe to those who write the book with their own hands. Right? And they do it for what for a cheap price Akbar.
The Bible also warns,
there are warnings in the Bible,
of fabricating or lying against the Holy Spirit.
serious sin.
Interestingly
Prophet Joseph Smith,
as he is known as
the founder of Mormonism,
Mormon religion,
he said, quote, I believe the Bible as it ought to be, as it should be, in other words, not as it is,
as it came from the of the original writers
end quote, because they all recognize the
adulteration of the book, The playing around the omissions, the deletions
okay, my brothers and sisters,
the Quran, the compilation or the biblical compilation.
First of all, there is notice some of the differences. When we talked about the Quran we said it is the word of God
genuine
Want to find the words of Allah Himself the speech of Allah, not the speech of the Prophet SAW Salem,
not the sayings of the Sahaba the words of God verbatim. Now, as the prophet may
explain it, you know like the Hadith could see
where they are the words of God but actually the prophets of Salaam is saying it with his own expression. No, Quran is the word of God the verbatim speech of Allah. It started from him and to him it will return.
This is the belief of and Sunnah.
The speech of Allah verbatim, and that's why
much of the Quran is in the first person,
first person, singular or first person plural of respect. I know a natural eye and we
something you find almost completely non existent in the Bible, as it stands today, except some places in the Old Testament.
Allah speaking in the first person, I Are we
Other than that,
we don't see the Bible being attributed to God, God speaking.
Where are the words of God? I want the words of God, not even of Jesus peace be upon him. Now I want the words of God
the Quran from A to Z is about Allah.
Even in the most legislative of verses
that talk about fix.
It's all about Allah, the verses will always always end with some description of Allah subhanaw taala.
Manicure
okay.
So,
if the Bible is not the word of God, verbatim,
must be the words of the prophet of God. That's the next level right? We go logically to the next level.
Is the Quran the words of the prophets of Salaam? Know, we differentiate between the Quran and the Hadith, the Hadith, the Sunnah are the words and actions of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. That's different.
Okay, so
maybe the Bible is like the Hadith.
The words of Jesus peace be upon him.
We wish.
Fortunately, it is not. There not the words of Jesus peace be upon him. As we saw when we talked about the gospel of cue, which claims to be a more accurate portrayal and
presentation of the words and teachings of Jesus peace be upon him. We don't see that in the Bible.
And the attention very little attention in the Bible, to what Jesus peace be upon him said, they are taught. It is stories,
stories, theology, by some of the theologians, all of whom were disciples of Jesus Peace be upon
the Quran is not even the words of the Prophet Alayhi Salatu was Salam. And we see that time and again, when Allah subhanaw taala one of the wisdoms of having this
is that Allah commands the prophets of salaam to say Pauline say to them, these are not the words of the prophets or syllabuses Allah speaking, say to them, whatever Allah wants.
This is the next level words of God no. Okay. words of the Prophet. Not really.
The little
Okay, level three.
This is the work
of the eyewitnesses to Jesus people who lived with him.
People who witnessed him
unfortunately, again,
no.
Sudden our eye witnesses will not.
And we said Paul, is a majority author, one of the majority authors of the empty
all did not see Jesus peace be upon them.
Can you imagine seeing oh yes
These are the teachings of Al Hasan Basri of the Allahu Allah but he didn't meet the prophets of Salaam. But he's saying this is what God said.
Again, what is the usual retort? No, they were inspired.
They were inspired to contradict their master
or God incarnate
contradict themselves, or is it the work of eyewitnesses not completely
know,
the majority what a majority author is not an eyewitness
to Jesus peace be upon him.
Okay.
So
they were not eye witnesses, they were
non contemporaneous students. Okay.
students, who are not contemporary in his they didn't live at the time of the Prophet, Prophet Isaiah salah.
Some of them, not all of them.
But what about those who are eyewitnesses? Matthew?
In the mainstream opinion, John.
Okay.
They all are witnesses. There you go.
Okay.
When did they write their Bibles?
Decades after Jesus?
Did they write it from the words of Faisal Islam as he was speaking?
Maybe a year or two after his death, decades, if we accept those dates as accurate and the attributing of those gospels to them, If we accept that Matthew was written really written by Matthew and John was really written by disciple, John.
Not from the mouths of Jesus Peace be upon
that to say
in the case of the Quran,
Quran is being written by obviously contemporaneous students, because they're writing from his mouth directly. What when they get home? Why they're still there and he is reciting Quran they are writing it down.
Allahu Akbar.
They are writing it down while he's speaking.
And when they they've been Sabbath finally compiles during the time of Abu Bakr, Radi Allahu Allah. He says, Where's your witness? That you wrote this down before you left that gathering? Imagine now we say wait a second. Matthew met Jesus. Okay. Show me that he wrote this. While he was sitting with Jesus peace be upon him. No. He wrote at some time in the 80s 50 years after the death
of his master
even when we talk about the Hadith, so we say okay, it's not like the Quran. Clearly. They're not the words of
the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, either. There are all these stories, but by the way, some of them are eyewitnesses. Some of them are not. Okay, that's good.
So maybe we compare it to the Hadith where we said Not quite, because they're not really the words of Jesus. They're the words of the scribes of the students. Okay.
But like the Hadith, we will ask them
chain of nourished.
I want to confirm that Luke really got this from his teacher.
Right.
Or mark,
that he really got it from Paul, or St. Peter.
Where's your chain of narration?
Oh, okay. Well, he lived at the time, maybe okay, but otherwise, where's the chain of narration? Luke gave us you know, a small chain of narration from the eyewitnesses. Okay, who exactly?
Why didn't you mention it in the chain of narration?
We don't have this freedom. In the Hadith.
The chain of narration is a little bit weak.
We may reject it altogether.
Reject what the Word of God no. Rejecting that these are the words of Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
Mind you?
What do you think a weak hadith is?
Sometimes people don't realize, oh, a weak Hadith means
not accepted. Then why a lot of the scholars sometimes mentioned weak Hadith.
Great scholars
mentioned the Hadith, because it might be a little bit weak, or is it a little bit weak?
If you look at the chain
maybe they are all amazing people.
And maybe there's no interruption in the chain. There are different types of classifications of the Hadith. Maybe there is no interruption. This man heard from this man and this man heard from this man all the way up to the prophets are celibate.
This fellow here in the middle, or the end?
His memory was so so
we might say this is weak.
Does it necessarily mean it's Hadith you completely reject
you I'm sure you know a lot of our conversations nowadays
are less than weak Hadith.
Oh, this in this happened, and then you take the story from me as if it is 100%. And I am saying it from this person and this person said it from that person. But I didn't give you the chain of narration. It's a weak Hadith. We coloration, how can you accept it?
You tell me something that happened history. How do you know what's your source?
It's weak. I forget. If I even the chain of narration, I will do the training there. The hadith will be rejected he forget.
Okay.
We all forget. If we are in the chain of narration, we considered weak Mr. So and So told me this not acceptance, just forget, maybe what you said is incorrect.
But we readily exchanged information like that we accepted as genuine.
The scholars of Hadith were very strict. So that's why sometimes Hadith may have some weakness doesn't mean it should be rejected immediately. Weak does not mean fabricated, but different.
Whereas chain of narration
please prove to me I'd love to see proof that Matthew wrote this and know the date when he wrote it.
And then we'll say Matthew, why didn't you tell me more about what Jesus peace be upon him said not all of these other ideas or stories.
Very, a very important part of the
preservation
of the Quran is the preservation of the language.
And that also is on two levels.
Number one.
The language itself exists.
When we talk about the preservation of the Quran, part of its preservation is that the language in which the book was revealed exists today and will continue until the Day of Judgment will not go extinct. The Arabic language spoken by millions and millions of people.
What if it had it had gone extinct?
Might say we still have the Quran in the Arabic, okay. Hamdulillah.
That's another level of preservation.
One level, the preservation of the language itself. What happened with the Bible? The language itself went extinct.
Aramaic is extinct for all practical purpose.
The language of Jesus reached
the next level. We said okay, no, the language is extinct, but we actually have the Aramaic Bible. Okay, great.
We can relearn Aramaic
doesn't exist either.
What we have is a translation of the earliest manuscripts. The whole manuscript, the whole Bible we said, third or fourth century in Greek,
not in the language of Jesus peace be upon him. Another big problem.
Preservation
another level of preservation, the memorization of
the Quran, has been memorized by people throughout the centuries. We said it was a largely oral tradition, and they had it memorized.
They
hundreds of 1000s if not millions of Muslims have the whole Quran memorized well,
from A to Z.
Children
under the age of 10 may have the whole Quran memorized.
This is a miracle.
Give me one person who has the whole Bible memorized
will not find it
parts of the Bible
just a few parts.
Not the kids, the clergy, the people who are who have given themselves to this path,
who have been the very difficult thing of isolating themselves from the dunya. How much of the Bible do you have memorized? what you consider to be the genuine Word of God?
In a survey
of clergymen of the Anglican Anglican church in England,
they asked a bunch of clergymen about the 10 commandments.
And two thirds of them could not say the 10 commandments.
Forget the whole Bible. Forget about memorizing the whole Bible, the 10 commandments
some of them could only listen to
the 10
These are the priests, the learned men.
We are saying the Quran has memorized
who will many people
another level of preservation.
Not only have we memorized the Quran,
the words of ALLAH verbatim
and maybe even have an uninterrupted Senate ijazah all the way to the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wasallam not only that, there's another level.
What's another level, you memorize the words of God Exactly. As it was revealed to the Prophet SAW Selim oh there's another level the way he recited it, Allah okay.
So, we are reading the Quran today, the way Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam would recite it now, as it was revealed to him,
not only the words,
the way it was recited, do you have to prolong it there is a method here that is fraught with one another, and so on and so forth. All of the rules of the dreams, we are reciting it as he recited it.
Forget about the same words know the way as well.
I look
at preservation is this
the Prophet sallallahu Sallam received the Quran Allah says enough. We got it from him. We got it from his mouth. We wrote it down we recited it the way he recited No, he himself reviewed it with Gibreel every Ramadan
they would review it would read
and some of the Sahaba would witness this
nine points that I mentioned to you of levels of preservation
forget about all of them.
All the 9x exit all cancel it. I didn't say anything.
I don't care about all of those points.
A student comes to me and says
I disagree with everything. It's all rubbish. Everything you said now is wrong.
Okay.
I don't agree. The compilation of the Bible is better.
Okay.
That's your opinion.
End result.
Let's see the end result the consequence? Your compilation is better. Okay. What's the situation of the Bible today?
Many modifications you can't even count them.
contradictions.
So much uncertainty
Translation upon translation revision upon revision, the Quran is protected one Quran
the word of Allah, protected and preserved for over 14 centuries, recited, as fresh and beautiful as it was. As Prophet Muhammad SAW Selim himself recited it.
We disagree on the compilation look at the end result
that tells you which is better, which is the better way, which is the better way of preservation.
The Quran is preserved by the preservation of Allah subhanho wa taala.
And therefore,
I claim
they would love
they would
give
billions of dollars
just for a clear
affirmation.
Like the affirmation we have in the Quran in surah Shara. Allah tells us
about our commercial partnerships with our hunter who were in hula tun Z, Laura, Bill. Mean
nurse, LLB Ruhul Amin, Isla, Paul Baker, Carlita. akuna minal moon the release now are being moody for in whole Effies Rubery Awani in our la mia Kula whom
I learner who
Benny is already well known as Zona who are the that we are Jeremy Cora Who are they
can who be him meaning they're there because I like them goofy who be moody mean. The verses continue.
In hula Tenzin moorambilla mean And Verily, it is the revelation of Allah, Lord of the worlds of Quran knows that I be here Warfel Amin the trustworthy Ruch the trustworthy spirit Gibreel Ali Salam came down with it.
And I can speak upon your heart, oh Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, it akuna minal Mandarin so that you may be one of the Warner's millesime In Arabi hinwil been in a clear Arabic UNK near Arabic language
what in a hula feasible Wolin and indeed it and its revelation is mentioned in the earlier books. The earlier scriptures.
Allah Mia coulomb idea
is it not a verse? Is it not sorry a sign for them?
That Benny is slow eel, the scholars and learned ones of bendy straw eel, new with
people like Abdullah bin Salam and others who became Muslim at the time of the Prophet SAW Selim they recognized it was the Nofal recognize that this is the same thing. This is the way that came to the prophets before them.
They recognize the Quran when Allah says Allah who Allah Amin and even if we had brought it down to some of the non Arabs, the Arabic Quran to the non Arabs,
if it was revealed to them,
and then they were to recite it to them. They would not believe
Allah is telling you
panela it's as if there is
something on their hearts there's a cover. After seeing all of this, forget all of this. He is unknown. And he is now reciting the Quran as if the purpose of Salaam is reciting it, he will not believe
means if he sees a miracle in front of him he will not believe.
What would they give
for one verse like this in the Bible?
Telling them clearly this is the word of God.
There is no
comparison, my dear brothers and sisters. And as you can see everything I've mentioned today, I'm trying to take the mainstream opinion. We're not taking the opinion of nevertheless Christian scholars, but Christian scholars who were very extreme and very critical of the Bible and its compilation No, we're trying to take the mainstream even then you see any comparison between the compilation and the historicity of the Bible as opposed to the Quran
and Akira, if I have said anything correct, it is from Allah alone. If I said anything else, that is incorrect, then it is from me and from the shaytaan Allahu Allah. What does that mean? Hello, Hi Ron. Salallahu Salam wa barik ala Nabina Muhammad.
If there are any questions or comments, please go ahead
Yes, yes. The status Correct. Is John the Baptist
different than
John the son of son of Zebedee?
Yes
Yeah, yeah. The Holy Spirit is considered also like a part of God that will inspire
that inspires these apostles, these disciples, the whole they call them the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit. Yeah.
So these people were inspired. were inspired by the Holy Ghost.
It must be correct. Must be authentic.
Is it Gibreel or not? They don't call him Gibreel. Yeah, they call Gibreel. The Arch Angel Gabriel. Here No, this is a Holy Ghost.
The inspiration?
Yes.
Again,
part of God.
Right. The Father, the Word Jesus Peace Be Upon Him. The Holy Ghost.
The Trinity.
Any other questions? Oh, we need to do a review. I almost forgot. You. You're asking questions. So I will forget to do the review. Don't worry. I haven't thought of the question. I'll think about them now. There'll be easy yes. There was a question or two OH
Yes, sister.
About the short end of shadow. And yeah, the page before last?
Yes.
So
yeah.
We may like atheists or agnostics. Okay.
Get on to the finish it.
Right. All right. Oh.
Yeah, that's a good question. The thing is,
a lot of them became that way, because they left Christianity because of some of these major issues that they saw
whether in creed, whether in the Bible,
things just didn't make sense to them. And the thing is, they didn't have an alternative in front of them.
So the alternative was, well, if this is not right, then I'm an atheist.
You know,
people I met, you know, when I was in the US, he's an atheist agnostic. What were you before Christian?
Why did you Well, what else you know, they didn't see an alternative and alternative was not given to them. So it's actually very important to show them that new you need to look into Islam. And as Islam becomes Alhamdulillah
mentioned more and more a lot of times, unfortunately, negative propaganda, but sometimes even negative propaganda forces them to say, Okay, what is this Islam? This evil Islam
We start reading about it. And then they become Muslim.
Right. And we know, some of them were
staunch enemies of Islam. They were writing anti Islamic books. They were making anti Islam documentaries. As they looked and researched Islam more and more in order to for content for their anti Muslim propaganda. They became Muslim SubhanAllah. So, I agree, it's very important to now talk to them and tell them no, just because what you have been raised with is wrong. We actually have the correct authentic religion, which confirms that which was correct before.
And is a guidance for all people now.
As to how you bring it up, that really depends on the person. Different people have different keys, different people have different interests. So you know, I'm very interested in the scientific miracles in the Quran.
So you know, I may go and I'm very excited, and I'm telling him about all these great amazing things of science in the Quran. And then you realize, the guy knows Jack diddly about science
didn't doesn't know anything about science in the first place. I remember a questioner
not sure if that was an interfaith dialogue or a different talk. He first
made a disclaimer, he said, I'm a free thinker.
Very nice, free thinker means I don't believe in religions and all this old mythology. I'm a free thinker. So he's an atheist or agnostic. I said, Great. I'm a free thinker as well.
Okay.
Because I also don't accept things blindly. If it doesn't make sense, I reject it.
And I thought he was talking about science and stuff. And I started talking to him about some of the things you know about science in the Quran. And I discovered the guidance, nothing about science, yet. He's a free thinker.
And he came afterwards, and we spoke, and I told him even more. And I think, I'm not sure exactly what he meant by free thing, and maybe just that, you know, I reject religion, and therefore, I'm a free thinker, right?
So, I mean, to say, this may mean nothing for some people, maybe he is interested in humanities, talk to you more about the history, we'll find it much more interesting. Or she'll find it more interesting. You need to find the key. Some people will come, and they'll immediately start quoting, you know, oh, we can quote verses from Luke and from John. And then he finds out the guy is a Buddhist.
He doesn't care about Jesus, what are you quoting the Bible for?
Know your audience. You have to know the person. What interests them? If he's an atheist, and his brain is dominated by
ideas that God doesn't exist, that's where you need to start. Do you mean God doesn't exist?
You mean, everything came about by chance?
Maybe he says, No, I'm not. Maybe he's an agnostic.
Agnostic, meaning is not sure maybe, I don't know.
Maybe this may be that.
A lot of agnostics are very fond of Islam.
They see the beauty of Islam,
but they're just not quite sure they're not ready yet.
And you really have to know who you're doing dollar two and then go after that. Go after that. Keith. Yeah. Does that answer your question?
That, you know, there's a lot to be said about that word, how you do that one, the methodology of Dawa.
Okay, shall we do a review? All right.
There aren't any other questions or comments? Oh, this is not just the deflection, right? Yes, sister. Yeah, go ahead. Just kidding.
Yeah.
Of course, of course.
Of course. Yes. You are. Right.
Right, right, right.
There's plenty and the Quran talks about how they they differ amongst each other. It's there. But yes, sometimes they will unite against a Muslim. Yes. Okay.
and sometimes not. Sometimes the differences will be
ostensibly clear.
If you look at history, history, there were wars, wars between them. Even before Protestantism in the 16th century, the Catholics and the Orthodox why God
destroyed each other.
One of the Crusades was against their own coreligionists. In 1204, we need to study the history
at one point
because of what happened in 2004, then in 1453, when finally, Muslims took over Istanbul, Constantinople, right?
That was, of course, at the time, Istanbul, Constantinople is the beat of the Orthodox Christian empire. Because Rome is destroyed, what's the next one Constantinople, Allahu Akbar, Constantinople, who can take over Constantinople? The second Rome?
The Christians the time they are Orthodox.
They said I'd rather see
the turban of a Muslim
then the tiara of the Pope
meaning the Catholics
let the Muslims come and take us over
then the Catholics they're both Christians.
This is like the the height of
of Christian rivalry. This is before Protestantism and
Catholics and the Orthodox
and this is at the time when consent INNOPOLIS falling Hello Are you insane? Our capital is falling you'd rather see a Muslim than a Catholic
Of course there were wars
okay
just a few quick maybe questions just to kind of you know, maybe emphasize the some of the most important points
the New Testament
the New Testament
is made up of
27 books True or False
out of the four main Gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John
Don't Don't scream the answer please write it down.
Which one
is the one that is not so similar to the rest? There's one gospel that is a little bit different than the rest.
Sir, I just said please don't scream the answer
is
Glenn scream I heard her
okay.
All of the authors of the four main goal gospels were eyewitnesses and disciples of Jesus please report them true or false?
All of the
writers of the Gospels or main gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, all of them wrote
decades after Jesus peace be upon him died. True or False?
name two of the majority authors of the New Testament.
Two of the majority authors of the New Testament we're only talking about the New Testament here
many of the manuscripts
the old manuscripts of the Bible
or in the Greek language, are false
very important, Apostle Paul
was one of the disciples of Jesus peace be upon him true or false.
The very important Apostle Paul is one of the disciples of Jesus peace be upon him
there was,
or there were some important manuscripts that claim to have preserved the teachings and Sayings of Jesus peace be upon him, what is that gospel called?
The formation of the canon of the Bible was complete
was complete by the end of the second century
or false.
The most important
the most important
and widespread English Bible is the is that of whitecliff.
The most important and widespread English Bible is that of whitecliff
true or false
the most important and widespread English Bible is that of the man whose name is whitecliff whitecliff Wickliffe
for false
the very important King James Version of the Bible,
which was the main Bible for some four centuries or so,
was based on old Aramaic manuscripts
true or false?
The
the omissions and deletions of verses that happened in the Bible are only for very superficial not very critical things or ideas, true or false
okay
Pretty easy. Any. I think everyone got it right. So I'll just ask, is there anything you weren't sure about?
Or pretty sure about all of it.
Any
hesitation or the thing is I don't remember the questions you're gonna have to remind me.
So question one.
Okay, how many books? Okay, 27 true, right. Good. Okay.
Next question
which is different from the four Gospels. Okay.
John, Paul. Oh, from the four Matthew, Mark, Luke and John mentioned the four. John is the different one. Yes. The other three are considered considered the narrative or synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke. John's the different one. Okay, next question.
Which one?
Eyewitness I said that they're all eyewitnesses. Okay, true or false? All good. Mark and look, we're not eyewitnesses.
Maybe even Matthew.
Okay, the next one?
Which one?
Oh, okay. They're written few decades after Jesus, please report them true, true or false?
False, not decades, more
than I say two decades
that I mentioned two or three decades. I think I just said decades right? Kids? Yeah. True or False to
me decades after Jesus now a few years decades after Jesus was real problem if the date of Paul's letters is correct that itself which is the earliest material is already late 50 to 60 see, right.
Okay, next question.
Who majority authors okay, they are.
John nuke and the other answer is
Matthew, majority authors of the new anti
nuke and or you can put
right
next question.
Bible Manuscripts in Greek Of course, the old most of the old manuscripts are in Greek. Okay, what else? Next one
all right, didn't get the the gospel that has the teachings of Jesus, the
apostle Paul was a disciple true or false. Paul's
next
is the
gospel gospel that that matches teachings of Jesus peace be upon him. Gospel of you.
People I don't know.
Okay, next one.
Solid,
complete Bible was or the Canon, the Canon was completed by the end of the second century true or false,
or false. And then we went all the way up to Nicaea all the way up to Nicaea and three to five, and even more to lay the sea on 364.
Next question
why cliff? No, but it was the first but it did not spread. The one that spread was Tinder and Tinder was branded a heretic and killed. Okay, what else?
Anything else? KJV was
Aramaic manuscripts, false their art or make manuscripts.
mainly on the English Exactly.
And others anything else was at the last question.
The insertion deletions are mainly superficial and unimportant things True or False
or false.
They are major issues of creed and belief. Where you have these
contradictions and deletions if someone tells you oh yeah, there are contradictions, but it's stuff that's not important. No, it's very important. And I gave you some of those examples. Allah Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Vikram. Pandit along with the handicraft shadow Allah Allah Allah and not stop being recorded we would really like