Challenges In Dawah 1

Kamal El-Mekki


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Salaam Alaikum

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Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen wa salatu salam ala rasulillah. Meanwhile, earlier he was happy here, Jemaine, now but

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in the beginning, I would like to sincerely thank all of you for coming and for giving up this portion of your evening, may Allah subhanaw taala, rewards you and multiply your rewards. And

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yes, I used to live in Canada, I was in Canada for about a year and a half and nine months ago, I moved to Sudan. For those of you who are not familiar with the country of Sudan, it is the greatest country in the world.

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I'm serious.

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And just to clarify, like, I never referred to myself as the black belt of Tao or anything like that. That was a description that they put of someone put, I don't know who it was. And I wouldn't describe myself like that. That's not very humble, right? And I would describe myself as a five degree black belt, and

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it's more accurate, I think.

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All right. Great. So let's talk about challenges in Dawa at work, students and people who study with you and at the university, your neighbors, what are some of the challenges that we face? And I'd like to begin by saying that, for the most part, it's hard to put rules for Dawa, and I know, many people love to do that many dads love to put rules many organizations love to insist on certain rules for Dawa.

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That's the better one.

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So, but the truth is, you know, there are no hard and fast rules for Dallas. So a lot of us may I may tell you a lot of things that might be applicable in the United States, but not necessarily applicable here. So feel free to take and leave from whatever I say today.

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But let me start by just talking a little bit about our responsibility. The responsibility we have towards you know, spreading Islam or calling people to Allah azza wa jal or, or calling the Muslims themselves back to Allah subhanho wa Taala. The first thing let's discuss what is the ruling on Dawa and when we say that we're here, we mean on enjoining good and forbidding what is evil on calling the Muslims back to Allah azza wa jal or calling non Muslims to Allah subhanaw taala what is the ruling on giving Dawa? So a lot of times you'll find people and communities that believe that giving the hour is fettled Cafe, it's an it's a communal obligation. If some people do it in the community,

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then it absorbs the rest of us from blame. So it's kind of like making the run for prayer if someone makes it and then not every brother has to get up and make the other, that one guy doing it, it absorbs the rest from the responsibility. So many people think Tao is the same way as long as hamdulillah we have our organizations and we have a Masjid and an Imam will have a non Muslim Dawa team and we'll have this group and that group giving Dawa, then we don't have to individually give down. And this is an opinion by some of the scholars. But it is not just the opinion with the strongest evidence. The opinion with the strongest evidence says that on a basic level, everyone has

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to give some more time and to make this easier to understand underlying on a basic level. So on a basic level, everybody in the oma has to give our young, old educated and educated literate illiterate, male female everybody has to give our because in joining what is good forbidding what is evil is part of Dawa. So you're telling me Everyone has to give our yes everyone has to give up even a very, very ignorant man. He has doesn't know it has no knowledge of Islam and it just prays basically in fasting and Ramadan comes and he doesn't know anything about Islam. He doesn't know how to read or write. He's not educated in secular studies nor Islamic Studies. This man has to give

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Dawa and he has no skills even he just makes brooms from trees to make brooms. And then the next day we'll go and sell them in the market. The day after that he'll make more brooms, they after that he'll sell them in the market. This man is obligated to give some title. Yes, this man's obligated to give some dour because this man could be walking to the market. He might see two little boys finding if it stops them is a forbidden what's evil? Is that part of our Yes, he might be walking he'll find two teenagers using bad words using profanity can tell him to stop saying that word. Is that good is a dog? Absolutely. He might tell someone to pray. And that person might tell him what's

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the evidence that I have to pray and the might not I don't know it. Is that sufficient enough? Yeah. I don't know what which says you have to but I do know everyone has to pray so he can tell someone pray. You can tell this one Don't lie. And that's doubt. So that means on a basic level, everybody has to give down. And if you're still not convinced with this opinion, try to think of a scenario where someone in this oma cannot give Dawa someone that's able and of sane mind. I don't tell me someone who's in the coma.

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for 12 years,

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realistically, someone that's able and cannot give demo, can you think of a scenario?

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You probably can't, you can't think of a scenario. That means on a basic level, now there are some higher levels of delta. And that's not for everybody, because everyone in this room has to teach for unactive suit. No. So whoever is at that level, they can teach element, Hadith or omit Heidi also look to see if things like that. But on a basic level, every single one of us supposed to give some kind of doubt. One person asked, he said, If I give a lot of money to an organization that gives Dawa? Is that enough for me is that can I say that's my daughter. And I just answered it like this. Imagine the same person who gives a lot of money to the organization. So he thinks, okay, I

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fulfilled my obligation. And he walks by, and there is, let's say, a 10 year old smoking a cigarette. So he walks by this 10 year old who's smoking a cigarette. And he's not supposed to do something about it and tell him Yoda, don't smoke. Okay, Tom, don't do it. But he says, Wait a minute, I don't have to do this, because I give money to the organization and they give that on my behalf. Does that make any sense? No. So that means this is a responsibility that we have to call Muslims back to Allah to enjoin what is good to forbid what is evil, and to call the non Muslims to Allah subhanho wa Taala. And there's so many people who are lost so many people who are unhappy, so

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many people who are searching for the truth, so many people that are so unhappy that they have suicidal thoughts, that they're consuming alcohol and drugs, just to just to make up for that unhappiness and the sadness in their life, and they just need to snap, and guess who lives next door, you live next door. And this guy is trying to discover himself, he travels all the way to India, to have an experience and he comes back and he basically, he just ate a lot of spicy kebabs. That's all he got out of it. And you're his neighbor all along, you could have just knocked on his door, given some information about a snap. So what are some of the challenges and and what I'm, what

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I'm cautious of, I don't want to tell you here are the challenges and then just spill out the the antidote or the response to each one. And in your mind, you're sitting here with different challenges in your mind. So I want to speak briefly. And then you will, you'll bring up some of the challenges that you face or that you want to discuss and then we'll discuss it that way. So because especially there may be challenges in the UK that I'm not familiar with, as I come from the greatest country, on Earth.

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Okay, very good.

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UK audiences usually a bit more serious than than American. American say anything stupid.

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In the UK, you have to use smart jokes and sarcasm.

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We'll try our best.

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Okay. A number of things.

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Let's just start with let me start with something. Okay, as a non UK resident, allow me to say this, please. Okay. So

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the, and just test this with anyone who lives outside of the UK, and is familiar or roughly familiar with the data in the UK? Ask him how his doll in the UK is? Does it seem more aggressive than other places? Or not? And allow me to say this, why are you guys so aggressive? What's with the aggression? Why do you guys live debate so much? Like every other brother? I mean, I was at a debate a week ago, and other but I was in a debate two days ago. Why do you guys have so many debates? And is that a good thing? And then we go to the park and everyone has a box and everyone has a megaphone, this guy has a bigger megaphone, and Islam is based on Jesus Christ, the Lord. Fighting,

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fighting, fighting, then another debate at university, then another debate over there. So is is this the default way of giving dialogue? That's the first question is debating the default we have given down? And of course, the answer is no, this is a permissible or an allowable way. But there, there are times and places for that, or even certain people that do that. And even then the scholars know that this is not good. It's not conducive to people becoming Muslim. It's not conducive to, you know, mutual understanding peaceful coexistence, all those sweet words. But too much of that is happening, too many debates, a lot of fighting. So I would assume what happens is when you go to

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speak to someone about Islam, they remember that video, they watched on YouTube of the Muslim and Christian fighting, they remember another debate, and they think, Okay, this is a fight so they get ready for you. Okay, tell me about Islam feel free. Okay. And this is a problem. And I want to tell you something, how many people here have watched the debates between Jimmy Swaggart and chef de la Mola. Okay, so a good number of you have seen that debate. Now, let's be honest with each other who destroyed him in that debate.

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We all know that.

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He mopped the floor up with the other guy true or false. So now what would you say this is a true story. What would you say if I told you there was a church

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In the United States, that mass produced that debate, okay, they didn't edit it or anything like that to make their guy win or they, they mass produced it and they would give it to people in church. Make hundreds of copies. Here you go, here's a copy of the debate. Why do you think they did that? Someone who has not heard me give the answer to this, take a guess. Why would they make copies of that debate and hand it out to people interest Christians? why their guys been destroyed? Why on earth? Would they give people copies of that, that make them enthusiastic to prophesize? Christianity, okay to encourage them to do that? Or perhaps the brother said, that could have been

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the answer, but actually, it's not in this case.

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Okay, to show the Muslims to show how aggressive the Muslims are. And that's also very probable now. Maybe you'd like for them to come back. So they can learn from it and come back with something else. Right. But their * has been embarrassed in it. Why would they make now?

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antagonize the Christians, so maybe that they want to get them riled up against the Muslims. Last one. Sorry, to make us look bad.

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They think they want and that's kind of what you're saying. That's it. It's that simple. All of you made very intelligent guesses, but it was very simple. They hear their guy winning. Wait a minute, how could you listen to that debate and think Jimmy Swaggart one? The guy who got creamed, but yes, they hear their guy winning. Listen to the debate one more time, and you will hear them cheering and whistling and clapping when he says ridiculous things. Why? Because what happens in a debate is you support your guy, you become defensive, you put a mental block. So all of the good stuff that the chef de la Mola was saying they couldn't hear most of it. A lot of it. They couldn't hear they could

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just hear the arguments of their God. They would cheer for him. Yes, he got him. He got him. Tell him about the Lord. Yeah. Excited about them. So that's why the debate is not a good way of giving Dawa. It's not necessarily even necessarily a way of giving Dawa. It's basically a way of putting someone in their place. You know, someone has been speaking too much and you need to get them to Zipit for example, then you would have a debate and let hit them on the head. But it's not the best thing for that one. So the first thing is let's get the aggression out of our system attacking, fighting. Even people when they one on one, try to give that to someone that they think the way of

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doing it is to corner that person and choke him. And before he does with his last breath, he will say

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Just let me get your corner. Well, didn't you say two minutes earlier that this was the case? What about Matthew chapter four? Verse 23.

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I gotcha.

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was about to die. They'll say the Shahada don't work and

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stuff in general, right? Whoever says that was the purpose.

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But so Okay, I hope we can agree. Let's not be aggressive. Let's tone it down. Let's stop these debates. Every weekend as a debater was a debate about this and debate about that holistically.

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So I'm going to talk about knowledge, right? And we're at the day and age, especially young people in the audience, please listen up. We're living in a day and age where we cannot afford to be ignorant about many things. We can afford to not know how to answer these basic questions. And the truth is, it's the same old, same old if I if I go out now i'm, i'm planning and preparing a team to go out and give some demo, let's say specifically to non Muslims. Now I have to prepare them for certain questions that they're going to be asked, What are these questions going to be? What do you think? same old same old What do you think? Jihad Thank you very much.

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Hey, job wise job.

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Marriage, it's just same old same old What did you Prophet, marry a young woman and so on and so forth? Now?

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How many we can you matter? And we're proud of that for right.

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Okay, so, so then basically, it's the same old, same old so we can't afford to not know the answers to these questions. And for the young people, you can't afford to be playing video games all day, all day just playing games. The profit is being insulted every day. Muslims being assaulted every day, people ignorant of Islam, Islam being attacked on the television and everywhere on the internet. And we just playing games. We can't afford that. So are we saying then everyone has to be lecture hall assembly when Tamia for example. No, but interestingly about even Tamia, Mo la there was a wonderful and really phenomenal description of him. They said people in his time they said

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that whenever he spoke on a topic, you felt as if he spent his entire life preparing that one topic. This is how he was. So if he spoke on one issue, you felt as if his whole life his PhD was just on this topic. Then tomorrow, he speaks on a totally different topic, and the

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You feel as if he spent his whole life preparing this one topic. And the day after that he speaks on another issue and you feel like he spent his whole life repairing that. Now we don't want people to be We don't expect people to be like that. But at the same time, all the questions have been answered, you know, and we don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's just a matter of having this information. So you don't have to be a scholar necessarily to give Dawa. But I think we'll all agree that the more you know, the more effective you will become as a diet, the more you'll be able to respond to questions properly as a data, and you won't have to do all the you know, the escapes and,

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okay, but so you don't have to basically do the escape and do the cheap answers and the watering down of Islam and by looting and all that stuff that happens now, what's the heroine she had? to struggle? You know? So if I can open the water faucet, that's a struggle is Jihad? Aren't you sweet?

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That's not what it is. And you find people

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so either out of ignorance or out of it could be other things, you know, lack of courage, lack of Islam, and no one's compelling anyone to give strange answers. And I remember one time, this man, he won, the US invaded Iraq, he felt that he had to say something about it on the member. But now wouldn't there's probably a difference between what he really wanted to say and what he could bring himself to say. So he came up on the member and he started to say, our soldiers, our brothers and sisters were fighting in Iraq right now he's talking about the American soldiers start talking about, he said, they are my brothers and they and my sisters, this is the best thing you could come

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up with until the believers on the David Juma time who on earth put a gun to your head and said, Give a hope on her up. You could have spoken about anything about his show, about the importance of Salah brotherhood smiling, who said you have to give this topic if you can't speak the truth, then don't speak. So this is what we're getting today. A lot of it has to do with just lack of good knowledge. If people had good knowledge, and good analogies and good answers, they wouldn't suffer. There is no difficult question about Islam. A lot of times people say what about if someone asks you about the controversial subject of this? First of all, it doesn't reveal controversy. Does he? Know

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doesn't reveal controversy? Oh, stay with please give a hold of us do some controversial subjects or what are you talking about controversial subjects? Yeah. So a lot doesn't reveal controversy. Right? And if you know the answer, it doesn't. It doesn't even seem like something that will make me nervous or controversy or anything of that sort. If you know the answer, because it's simple. Give a quick analogy, and you're done. Yeah. But we now allow people to trap us and paint us into a corner because we just didn't look into it very carefully. slavery in Islam, the age of art, simple, simple answers for that extremely simple answers for that. Obviously, we're not going into that right now.

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Okay, so what's the reason we don't reach out and tell everyone about Islam? What's the reason we don't reach out to people? Do we not care enough maybe about people and by the way, you will see that the prophets were superb the art and the results Helen was a superb Daya. The companions were superb the art because they cared for people and women, they care for people who the minute you say things like care for people care for non Muslims, someone thinks

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this guy he doesn't know what are very well. Loving for the sake of Allah and hating for the sake of Allah. And I was told, especially young people, bring me the most severe book on will and Bara and you will see that it allows for loving people who also need any book. One time I went and missed it threw a bunch of brand new books on water. And after 911 of course, everything was going into the dumpster. Yeah. So they threw these books on one bottle. Okay, what's so scary about what I read carefully? The last paragraph of the book was talking about how you could also live a non Muslim and if someone now becomes a Muslim, he has to hate his mother.

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Yeah, would that be good? listening, so you need to become Muslim today inshallah you will start to pray and you will become a better person. But you must hate your mother. Okay, because she's a

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Muslim. You have to hate her. What do you think the guy will see a shadow? I never liked her anyways.

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So anybody saw Selim cared for people. If he didn't care, he would have crushed the Meccans between the two markets, true or false? Immediately would have crushed them. But he didn't do that because he cared, right? And even in our old days in Washington, DC, we had one brother who was an excellent guy. He worked harder than anyone else. And one day he told us a secret. You know, Washington, DC is predominantly African American and he's African American. He said.

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He said, these are my people. And I care for them. I love them. That's why he was a good daddy.

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Do we care for people? Let me ask you this. Suppose your neighbor next door is your enemy. And he does nasty things to you. He'll, he'll egg your house and throw toilet paper in your tree and do all kinds of nasty things. And there was known, established an official hatred between the two of you. But one day you're going to work. And you see your neighbor running out of his house and he's on fire. What will you do?

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He said, he'll try to put him on. You guys agree with that.

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But he's your enemy, though. You hate him. He hates you. He exits your house. You try to put them out? Yes. Okay. I think all of us would, right? Even if he absolutely hated him. I don't think any one of you will just throw like a bottle of water. We like hey, use it wisely. Okay, and just throw it and drove off.

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Or Serves you right? Next time you see in the Hellfire, okay, and drive away. So if we, if we care so much about an individual, if they're on this worldly fire?

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What about the big the worst fire, the Hellfire of origin, that's more severe. That doesn't decrease when you scream, no one you scream. There's a psychological release. Yeah, and then things hurt less. But this is a fire that is so severe that screaming doesn't make it hurt less. And the first second it touches you is not like the millionth hour that it's touching you feels the same level of pain. And if we care for people, I cared, I'm ready to put out the fire on my neighbor to the point where I get burned myself. And I get injured in the process of trying to put him out if really care for people. And by the way, do this exercise next time you see someone walking five, you just

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imagine them on fire. Imagine their skin burning, what would you do? So this this is the contrast between a generation that spread Islam just on good manners, and a generation that has the internet and books and material and printed material and access to television and radio. And in the end, people are still don't even know who Allah subhanaw taala is. So we all have a lot more work to do. So if this is the case, then I can't say well, I'm going to shy really, even the shy person, you know, just speak to the first person, speak to the second person and then see what happens. Even the shy person has other avenues. And I'm too shy, I'm absolutely terrified. I'm mortified, I can stand

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in front of another human being okay. Late night when everyone's asleep. I come and put something in front of your door and run like a chicken. Is that okay? Can I do that? Yeah. Can I send someone an email? They'll never catch me. Everyone's a hero on the internet, right? I'll break your face. And no one can touch you. You're brave, right? So can I email someone something? Can I there's so many avenues through which we can do some work.

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You know something, a lot of times people tell me things like, I have a friend and we've been friends for a while. But I don't want to bring up Islam because it will make our relationship awkward. Who has experienced that before. It'll make a relationship awkward. I tell them about Islam, just like I tried to convert them. And it didn't work. And then the next time we meet, we'll just be awkward and strange and things like that. So what can I do?

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The truth is, do you have any evidence to suggest that it will become an awkward situation? Or is it in our head? A lot of times most things are in our head. Oh, if you told someone wanted to become Muslim to become offended? Are you sure of that? Or just imagine that would be the case most of the time. It's imagination. So I have a friend and if I were a professor or a co worker or colleague, if I tell them about Islam, it would be strange from that day on both be having lunch and just staring at each other. No says Oh, just give it a shot. Try it and see what happens. Perhaps the way you present it will make it less awkward. Annie

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sister came up to me. She said I have a friend. We've been friends for like 15 years. And I've never told her about Islam. She knows I put on a job. She knows I pray and i and i fast and Ramadan. And we've never mentioned Islam. How can I do that? That's so easy. is still her so and so by her name. You know, you're a good friend of mine. And we've known each other now for 15 or for 13 years. And in all this time, you know, you know that I dress this way and I pray and I do Ramadan and certain things that you've noticed already about me. But we've never spoken about it. And I just want to explain to you what it is that I do and what I believe because as you know my religion is something

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that's very dear and important to me. And I consider you a very dear and important friend. So I want to

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tell you about what I believe what's wrong with that. One person said to me, I have a friend and I've known them for a good while and they're a good person. But I've never told him about Islam. A year ago I gave him a copy of the Quran and we never mentioned it again. How can I bring up Islam again? You have it right there. It's you have the free pass right there. to them. Hey, I give you a call on a year ago did you read There's your topic right there. A lot of times we

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Don't want you were afraid to bring up the topic. But you know something, if you want to bring up a topic, you will find a way to bring it up. And you can give me any topic. And we can go from that topic to Islam. Whether we can go from weather to Islam talk about anything, anything, gun laws, gun laws will bring it to a slap. Just from any topic, you bring it back to Islam, right? Just like if for the younger brother Gianni when you're going to get married, right? And you want to see if the sister will accept you or not.

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You find a way to bring it back to marriage. They'll talk about anything will bring marriage and next prime minister of the UK Yes, but you know, marriage sister is

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telling you in this joke. This man was very, very ugly, right? Extremely ugly, and he wanted to marry a co worker of his so he doesn't know if she'll accept someone as ugly as he is. So he started to test the waters so we told her sister What if someone you know ask ask for her hand in marriage was quite ugly. She said, you know, looks aren't that important. What's more important is on the inside. So that's a good sign. So it's just what it is like really, really ugly. She said they will lie what's most important his or her lap? Is manners. These things are more important. Okay, so sister What if he's like horrendously, horrendously ugly? He said, Look, Dean manners, what's on the

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inside? This is more valuable and more important than the outside. He said, sister, what if it's me? She said, No, you're pushing it.

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And I always say you can always joke about ugly people because no one will object. Am I right?

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Yeah, absolutely. Everyone's Nisha Hassan. He's so sweet. He said, because everybody's beautiful. See, that's a totally different angle than the what how I looked at it as it because if the other person says I object to that joke, you can just tell him, I can see why.

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We're just joking. We're just joking. Okay.

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I know, I know. You're waiting for sarcasm and satire and intelligent jokes. Okay.

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Like I was saying, when you want to find a way to bring up something, we'll find a way one time this man came up to me, and maybe we'll start taking from the audience some scenarios in their own object. But I'll close with this interactive, Jimmy agenda. So this man comes up to me he says at work, they don't allow me to talk to anyone about Islam. And my manager focus on me especially and his beard, Mashallah up to here. So they focus on me they don't let me talk to anyone about Islam. So okay, tell me about there's always a way always a way. So tell me about the the setup at your office. He says, We have cubicles and fantastic. You have a break or lunch break, pick up the phone,

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call a Muslim friend, or just pick up the phone and start talking about Islam. As if we were talking to your friend about a snap. So anyway, so I told the man, so since Allah is the one who gives you your health, your eyesight, your loved ones, your intelligence, things that you cannot put a price on? Doesn't it make sense then to only worship Allah to only worship him to only praise him since he's the one who created you and just talk on the phone? And people by their nature, they love to listen and eavesdrop? So they're going to be listening in and what your point now is to pique their interest, okay, say something that will get their attention. And then they will come to you. And

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they say, look, I couldn't help but overhearing you talking about this, this? Could you explain this aspect to me? Now? Can they go and complain to the manager that you were talking to them about religion?

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No, because they came to you. So the ways around it, there's so many ways and this is this is a technique that we refer to a lot of times as indirect our and it's so many people use it, and it's so successful, and you have a cell phone, just, you're on a bus or you're waiting in line for something or you're at a doctor's office, and it's very quiet, and it's boring, pick up the phone. So anyway, so since Amazon gives you your health and your intelligence and your x is go just talk enjoy yourself. It's indirect. No one's listening. I mean, everyone's listening, but no one's really, there's no awkwardness involved. Enjoy yourself. Okay, let's, let's have you give me some of

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the some of the obstacles or some of the What do we call it? challenges, the challenges, they will ask challenges, you still have 15 minutes to go. So I don't know if you want to carry on or you want to listen to? Yeah, I want to hear what their specific challenges we don't want to talk out of context for them.

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For the, for the sisters to hear if you would mind coming.

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Please, if it's short, I can repeat it down. If it's not long. Yeah, save you some getting ready to repeat, I did the math.

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So quite a few times when I'm speaking to someone

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you know, to a certain degree, they know the basics. And when I saw them, you know because it was a couple of your lectures. Well then what's stopping you from being a Muslim right now? And then a lot of times they say, I need to learn more about it and I need I need to learn more about my own religion, most of them

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Christianity. I mean, I think these guys are expecting to be like it before they become Muslim. I tell them if you study for 40 years, you never want to conquer the religion. So how can I,

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you know, push it, push it today? You know, like, of course they need to learn more, but I think they're expecting to learn so much before they, it's going to take them two years. So how can I know? Okay, very good. Excellent. So that repeat the question the brothers saying that a lot of times when he's giving Dawa, to a non Muslim, and he gets to one after he explains Islam in brief, then he asked him to become Muslim, then they respond that they need to learn more about Islam, or they need to learn more about their own religion, research their own faith more, or research Islam more before they decide to become Muslim. And in his words, it tells them that, you know, if you

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study for 40 years, you won't conquer the religion. So how do you get them to leave this idea of I want to study everything, before I can make a decision to become Muslim. And there's the long story in the short story. I'm going to give you the short story. Okay. And perhaps you recall the the analogy of the car, remember that one? Okay. So basically, this was a problem we always faced, you meet people who say, look, I need to study more, I can't just become Yeah, you spoke to me for seven minutes. And everything you said was beautiful. But I cannot change my life based on seven minutes of beautiful talk. So we actually came up with this analogy, and it has worked very, very

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wonderfully for us when I'm doing that. We will give an analogy. And we actually say this to the non Muslim. And now I need you to understand when you can use this analogy. You have to use it in its place. Sorry, pause long. Let's go to another story. Okay.

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A Muslim came and asked this question, he said,

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I was speaking to a non Muslim friend of mine. And the non Muslim was speaking about, you know, fornication, how everyone you know, has the right to fornicate. So then he said, I use the technique of the profits of a lot of sin. Now, you don't expect the technique from the prophets of Salaam to fail. So I asked this man, I said, Would you accept that for your mother? And you know, this hadith when the prosecutor asked the companion Would you accept that free mother? And he said, No. Would you accept a free sister? He said, No, he said the same way people don't accept her for their mothers and their sisters. So he says, I asked the young man, would you accept that free mother? The

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guy said, sure if she can sense is that would you accept that for your sister said yeah, if she's okay with it.

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He said this was a technique of an abyssal settlement and failed how very simply, you applied it in the wrong place at the very wrong place. And maybe Salalah Selim use this technique with a Muslim who understood holla at haram and they have judgment and reward and punishment and Allah azza wa jal so when he was new, and he also understood the hero, you know, that this jealousy protective jealousy so when he was asked these questions, it made sense to him. Okay, so you you're taking a technique applied on a Muslim you're trying to use it on someone else. So you have to apply the right technique in the right place. So going back to our answer, you have to apply this this analogy

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only works if someone agrees with everything. The only thing stopping him from Islam is not a fiance or something no The only thing stopping him is I need to read more.

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On time this happened we're giving a lecture to non Muslims and towards the end of the lecture A man came up and he was a very interested in Islam that alum Hamid also later said yes, Salah Yes, I saw Yes. Okay. Why don't you become Muslim right now? He said look in everything in my life I don't make decisions that overnight like immediately like that I think about things I take my time said like with this decision. I like the idea but I'm to go home and to read and to find out exactly what I'm getting into. And I told him you know, I appreciate that because I'm actually just like that I don't make any impulsive decisions. I do my research before I make any big decision. And no doubt this is

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a big decision. But let me ask you this because we always try one more time right? Always try one more time. So I said look, suppose then I told you this is my car. It's outside. It's a brand new Mercedes Benz S Class let's make it so it's an expensive Mercedes Benz. I'll tell you this car is yours for free. Okay, and just so we for the sake of our exercise, there is no bomb in it right? There is no dead body in the trunk of just a very rich guy says look, you can have my S Class Mercedes. And if just go

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what's the word that Hassani

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examines examine it and if you like it, you can keep it so now let's do the exercise together. Someone put your hand up and tell me if I told you this is a brand new car outside cost? About $130,000 I don't know how many pounds 90,000 pounds let's say if you like it you can take it What will you examine Put your hand up and tell me what would you examine somebody

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Okay, so but they said engine other boat over here said engine very good. Nothing. Nothing.

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Fantastic. I love you guys. Just take the car.

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Okay, but I want specific components

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that looks so you're really checking the body right because maybe it is a brand new S Class Mercedes but a train hit it and cut it in half. So you've got two halves now. So would you accepted it as two halves? Probably not. Okay, so what so that means I'm checking the body I'm checking the engine. I'm looking for one more thing What will you check? Yes, sir.

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I love you man. He said he will check the keys if it's if I give you a car for 90,000 pounds it has the wrong keys you leave it?

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Pay 50,000 get new keys

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which will scare the keys brother in the back. Yes, sir. Martin what component Are you checking when you when you say does it start?

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Now? ignition and the ignition again. A car cost 90,000 pounds. I can replace the ignition right. I'll take the key from my door at the house and just stick it in there and study.

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We said it's not stolen. There is no dead body in the trunk. It's a millionaire right and now. The interior Okay, possibly now.

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quanta? which is which? you're checking for the engine one more time? No, no, they're checking if the wheel hasn't been there. Oh. Meaning the car is

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two words. plasma torch?

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Give me a 90,000 pound car. Oh cut that thing like nothing. All night? I'll call brother brothers we have so come come who's gonna spend overnight?

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Okay, the last thing the transmission, right? Because the transmission gearbox, maybe you call it here. Okay, the transmission on a brand new S Class Mercedes will cost 1000s of pounds and the engine will cost 1000s of pounds. But the ignition the key that's nothing I can afford that. The tires. That's nothing. No one refuses a 90,000 pound car because I don't like the tires. They're old put new tires. You know something I wouldn't put new tires. Somebody check the brakes. Forget the brakes all rolled at home.

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1000 pounds. So what happens is, in the in the example in the analogy, you ask the non Muslim to tell you some of the what are the key components you will check for in the car. And in the anthem? If everything makes sense, the most important things made sense would you accept? And he would say yes, I'll accept the car. And this person said I will accept the car. And then I asked him a question. I said why is it that when the most important things in the car made sense to you accept the car. But when the most important things are explained to you in Islam in the five pillars made sense to you, you rejected? What did he do? A lie. He looked down like this?

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He said yes, you're right. I'll say it Let's go. Meaning I'll say the shot. And he said. So in this analogy, you explained to people this is how life works. We don't if I want to buy a car, I don't go to a dealership and say, Look, let me drive this thing for 50,000 miles from trying to buy a house. I don't tell the the realtor but you know, let me move the children, the family, the dog and everybody in, we're gonna live here for four or five months, then I'll give you my decision. We look at the basic components and if they agree to make a decision. And so that's in a nutshell, without taking too much time. That's one way of doing either I probably just time for one or two more. Any

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other obstacle?

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A total? Yes, sir.

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I think rather, there is a problem with us as Muslims, right? We try to make our own Christian people, we try to convince them all the time. We never let them you know, like to, for instance, like just, you know, like to listen to us for as little or, you know, we try to always convince, showing that our religion is the best, as they think always, but their religion is the best. And this is a problem with the Muslim sometimes they don't even know right, the subject properly how to convert someone, and then they use like the wrong words all the time, the wrong phrases. You know what I mean? Yes. And I think this, that's why we fail all the time, most of the time. Okay, very

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good. And I have to agree with you. It's very true. A lot of times people they don't have an idea of what good Tao is they use the wrong words, you'd wrong approach wrong technique. And it goes down. And I would say like in, in my 10 years of teaching the Tower of Babel courses. I will tell the students in the beginning that a lot of this course is unlearning the wrong way of giving down moreso than learning the correct way. Because in for so many people, there's just this wrong way of giving Dawa. And that's what we think it is. So you're absolutely correct in that and that hence the importance of training in our training for people, you know, or of course, you know, experience and

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you don't have to necessarily take a full session or class but you could also go hang out and spend time with

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Experience data and learn from them and so on and so forth. So barkcloth example of a comment. And someone had their hand up over here. Yes, go ahead. And

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some people like if they really like the idea of Islam, one thing I've noticed

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is the fact is, they say that in Islam, if you choose to leave Islam can be executed.

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Okay, so, okay, yeah. So the brothers saying like, perhaps one of the things that deter people from becoming Muslim is that if you leave Islam, if you apostatize, that you will be killed. So why would someone become Muslim if that's the case?

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And this reminds me of

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a true story that happened during the times of one of the

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there was a Christian who used to always be in his gathering who's a good guy this Christian so when the the halifa now gives him down, he says he or she are one of the O'Meara perhaps, it was in one of you become Muslim. So the Christian says, I like to drink too much. I love drinking, that's why I won't become Muslim. So the image doesn't listen, become Muslim and drink the problem. So the guy takes the Shahada then right after the text, he says, If you drink will whip you and if you leave, Islam will kill you.

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Okay, and again, this goes back to point number one, you know, when we when we the more details we learn about Islam, the easier will see it has to explain things like this. Let me ask you this.

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If someone let's say someone lives in a Muslim village, okay, or a Muslim town, and he goes to work and he comes back, and he prays maga Venetia in the masjid, and he goes to work like that. If this man suddenly decides to leave Islam, but he kept it to himself, he just stopped not going to he didn't go to the masjid for a mother who just and didn't make it public, but he's just stopped believing in Allah and Islam. What's the Islamic ruling on this person? What should happen to him?

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The answer is

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nothing. Thank you very much. Nothing. He kept, he left Islam, and he kept it to himself. There's nothing else he has the right to do that. And so Can people leave Islam? Yes, absolutely. They can leave Islam, you can leave Islam, but you keep quiet about it. Why? Because the minute you start to make it public, now the state and we're talking about the Islamic State, it has an interest in this person. Why? Because when you leave Islam or you have certain doubts that make you you know, not believe in a large region or the Quran or Nebojsa Sedna, when you have certain doubts like that, the minute you start to make it public, you are bound to affect people who are close to you. So you

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might affect your parents, you might affect your children, you might affect your wife, you might affect your brothers and sisters, your siblings, you could affect your neighbor, you could affect your close friend, you could affect close workers, co workers or students, if you're a teacher, you understand. So now if you make it public, and you keep mentioning these doubts, and there'll be people without much, not enough knowledge, and they might be in the fall for these doubts as well. So now the state has an interest in you because you're making it public and you will affect other people in the state looks out for for the population. So now your your you will be a person of

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interest. But everyone, anyone can leave Islam, and it's no big deal. And as long as they keep the keep it a secret, the minute you make it public, and now you make it public, then the state has an interest in this individual. But now look at it. There's a difference between how Islam deals with the apostate versus perhaps any let's just say in the Bible, how it's dealt with. He's still given many chances. You know, for example, in the Bible, in the book of Deuteronomy, chapter 13, verse eight and nine, it explains that the one who leaves his religion, that you should kill him, and it says, Let your hand be the first to strike him. Okay, you want to be the first one who kills that

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person who needs to stop now in Islam is it doesn't work like that. And I have to say this because people think that's the case. One time, a brother left Islam and he was a revert. He left Islam after two weeks. And this is there's a different ruling for this person is known as an altered Millie kid is different ruling. But one of the brothers he himself was a revert. He said, Oh, so and so left Islam. I'm going to take him hunting, and we're going to have an accident.

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So he thought it was his job to take care and he's going to go dick cheney on the guy

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basically, so the truth is, and we've got like a minute or so the scholars sit with the person, then they try to explain whatever doubt came into his head. That's one, two, then they start not in any particular order, then they try to establish a reaffirm that yes, this book is from a luxury. Here's the evidence and this. This is the final property. Here's the evidence right then, and of course this these are scholars appointed by the state to or the or the Imam or the halifa. And then they even do another tactic they threaten him.

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With the sword, so when they say, Look, just become Muslim, or you will get the sword if you continue upon this, what happens? What is this really? This is an opportunity for him to say, You know what? Yes, you're right, you're right. And once he sees the sword, like, ah, I understand your argument now, he can pretend and go home to his family and keep his mouth closed and keep pretending, you know, not praying and not going to gym or or not fasting, but he can at least save themselves by pretending even he's even given that opportunity. Understand. But the more people let's say, spread the doubt and speak up the awkward group and they make an organization we're

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Muslims who have abandoned Islam, and we are more rational, scientific and so on. Imagine for people leave Islam in a village and they start a club 10 years, but you come back to this village, they might be 237 of them. Why? Because they spread it. But if these four people kept it to themselves, you come back 10 years later, maybe they're only six or seven. Why? Because they kept it to themselves. So these are things you explained to the person and and one of the best selling points you have is that look, we don't need this guy in the streets of London doesn't want to become Muslim because you guys killed someone if they leave Islam. So what are you talking about that this is not

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an Islamic State, and no one will do anything to you? Of course, that's not your selling point to say have a trial period, right? But at the same time, who's gonna do what do you guys have regular laughter a shell? button sisters are a few announcements. There's a brother who left Islam. We're gonna chop his head off in the parking lot outside. Please join us for coffee.

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This question says, What are you upon?

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UK? Do you want a piece of meat? Let's come on.

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Okay, first of all, you need to understand it was not from the way of the early Muslims and it was not of the way of the Sahaba to constitute to ask people this question. Okay. No One No one has ever

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put it upon you to always question people's manhood. So Sarah, how are you doing, bro? What's your name? Where you from as a woman, how do you? This is not part of the way of the early Muslims to question people's mental health. Okay, but to answer the question, my man has us out of the cinema, Jamal. Okay. And my first teacher who's a Syrian scholar, he was a student of shuttle Alberni and every other one of my my scholars that I studied, where they were either students have an advantage or a bit with a mean or been bad and so on and so forth. So but it's not from the way of the of the the early Muslims to question people's manage constantly. Like Where are you from? And what's your

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Manhattan? Oh, that's nice. So that's the first thing, but if you want a piece of me, I'm here, don't worry. But

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this question says that it clips around. Do you think the Muslims are discussing Sharia law too much when giving doubt to non Muslims rather than a man and the sons of alone the universe? That's a hub or first introduced to Islam, not the Islamic penal code? Brilliant system? This is the problem. Okay. Right now if I say the word Shetty, I already think of, let's be honest, there we go. Something's flying off either head or hand. Okay, but this is the penal code, the one yeah. And he, for example,

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in democracy, let's, I'm going to pick on America, in America, in a democracy, we have lethal injection, and we capital punishment, and we kill people by putting a poison their blood system, or we put them in a chamber full of a deadly gas, and when they inhale, they die. Or we put them on a very comfortable chair, but it has electricity all over it that kills them also. Now, when the President of United States sells the democracy when he sells democracy the world does He say, yes, we're gonna bring democracy, we will put people in gas chambers, we will electrocute and kill people. Does he do that? No, because this is the penal code, which is the scariest part, which is

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supposed to deter people. The problem is, this is how a lot of times and besides our friends in Hollywood, even we present the Sharia, who present as stuff being chopped off, and recently, one of one of the Muslim presidents and in his speech, televised speech, he said, we're going to breach area, we're going to cut off hands, we're going to cut off feet and it Why would you sell the city I like that you're selling me the harshest and scariest part as what is normal. Okay, but so it's like if you look at the *tier it's a wonderful beautiful palace, okay, but it has a boundary around it. Okay. And that boundary, you know, you touch it you get hurt. You don't come near the

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boundaries, but it's a beautiful palace. So do I not describe the palace and I just described the barbed wire on the fence or on the wall of the palace. This is exactly what's happening now. So yes, don't spend all your time talking about Sharia and will kill the adultery. Have you ever committed adultery By the way, this is what we would do to an Islamic State. We dig a hole. Okay, wait a minute, not necessary. These are the boundaries. So what if we sell the other part of the Sharia there?

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Be justice, there'll be no poor people, there'll be no one that will go to bed hungry. There'll be no corruption, no bribes, anything like that. So you're absolutely correct in that, and that's not your speaking point for that hour anyways, your speaking points to hit the vilazodone and the Visa Center and the final messenger and the five pillars. Why did you go into things being chopped off?

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How does one deal with questions about a man and a law? For example, when did a law come into being? How do I know there is a God etc. Obviously, these are the

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three questions here. And this is probably a good time to invite you to join me. For my the course that's coming up in about two weeks, we're going to do a course here in London, it's called Shahada

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of devil. And you will find these cards out out here. And it's April 13, starting April 13, until the second weekend of April 21. Okay, now, the only reason I can confidently promote this, this workshop is that I've been doing it for years, and I know the results of hundreds of the people who attend this workshop. I've gotten an email from a brother, actually in the UK. He listened to it online. And he was like a five hour version. He listened to two and a half hours and he paused it. He said, he says to me in the email, I paused it to go buy dinner. So on the way I saw a non Muslim, and I said something from the course he said something back that was expected in the course and I

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said something back and the guy took his Shahada.

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So in his email, he said, I heard half the course what happens when I hear the full course?

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Great things happen. Just kidding. So num, is going for dinner all the time after that.

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so we discuss,

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along with this a brilliant ways of tackling questions like this simple analogy sometimes, but who can say for example, she had his Sham was the first person in this building today.

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So if I tell you chef Shan was the first person in the building today, you might ask me, yes, but who was there beforehand, today? No, no. Listen to me carefully today. He was the first one in the building. Yes, I understand that. But who was there before him? If I told you today, he was the first one but who was there before and they cannot be who was there before him? It's a wrong question. Same thing who is there before? If he is the first only

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and only someone who's not intelligent would ask you who was there before the first that's what the word first means Habibi, unless you don't know what it means. There are also other things like someone will ask you who created the law?

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Or Allah has no creator, but everything has a creator. Yeah, except a love. How can I learn? I have a pain who created the law? Okay, so what do we do here? We explain to the person that what you're doing, you're asking the wrong question. You see, this is the way we understand the law. We see a concept if we're if we see a description of a law, for example, Allah is the Most Merciful. How can I understand that? And I understand it because I know what Mercy is. So I look at Mercy, then I magnify it a lot. And I say Allah is very merciful. I understand how I was Rahman Al Rahim, then I see that Allah is the most generous, so I see generosity, I understand the concept, then I magnified

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a lot and I see how Allah is the most generous. But the problem is that then what happens when I when I give you a description of a lot that you can't compare to the dunya and magnify? A lo is the first and he was always there, and he has no creator. So like, Okay, what can I think of that's like that, that I can magnify? There's nothing. So then, you know, how good is that part that must be an impossibility then. So this is the thing is, there's a difference between what you can understand and what you can imagine, many times people cannot imagine something that they think is impossible. Now, this is not right. For example,

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on, let me try to end with this very quickly.

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Okay, so in 30 seconds, I want to say very quickly that what if you

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look at this donor? And the second part of the question about Allah subhanaw taala said, How can you prove to them that Allah subhanaw taala exists? If you if you understand that there is tons and tons of evidence to point to the existence of Allah azzawajal then your question will be okay, where do I start? Because we'll learn there is so much Surely, American Allah says something very nice. He said, Allah azza wa jal created the human being and he created the human body in need of water. So because we're in need of water, Allah azza wa jal put water in every corner of the earth, because we need it to survive. Let it go as Allah created the human being in need of believing and its creator,

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believe in the need of believing in something. So Allah subhanaw taala, even more so than water put evidence to his existence everywhere on Earth. So where do I begin to

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Begin with analyzing the life of Muhammad SAW sadhana proving he was a genuine Prophet, if he's a genuine Prophet, that means he was sent by God that means God that does exist to begin with the Koran and prove how the Quran could not have been written by a human being, that it must have been written by a divine being. And that's proof of the existence of Allah as origin. And which which angle of the Koran, I mean, I can take eight or nine different angles and from looking at the Quran, and each one of them will prove that there is a God. So there's tons and ample ample proof that there is a creator. And one more time, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. The questions have been

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answered before the proofs have been laid out by the scholars, all you have to do is it's as simple as looking it up on a Muslim website, picking the strongest arguments, and that's your game plan and Sharla. So

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there's one thing if you shall attend this, you have a course coming up in April, you one of the things that we'll take care of in that course is you'll never ever be worried about the atheist again, ever. I mean, look, it's the weakest argument, as you can how many times in the Quran does Allah refute the Trinity for example,

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many times, paganism, many times things in the Judaism, for example, in terms so dedicated to that, how many times Allah met and he respond or refute the atheist argument in the Quran? Once just once? Why? scholars say because it's such a weak argument once, why are we scared of the weakest argument?

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But we'll explain why the atheist comes to all confident and arrogant and insulting and everything. There's a reason behind that. And if you attend Shahada

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on April 13, inshallah,

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question says, What is the key to giving statistical data to Muslims who aren't interested in hearing you out? Here's the key. Okay. You have to find out why they're not interested. That's exactly what it is. Okay. So I don't try to insist and force you to be interested, I try to find out why you're not interested. So the conversation goes like this. You tell them look, I noticed that whenever I talk to you about religion, you change the subject, or you don't like to talk about it. Right now, I don't want to talk to you about religion, I just want to know why you don't want to talk about religion.

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Okay, that's it, and it's very, very, very effective inshallah, because once you tell them, Okay, tell me why don't want to talk about religion. And there may be other reasons hidden that they don't want to admit to you that, you know, the guilt of not practicing and makes me feel good. But it may be other things like, Oh, you know, discussion of religion always ends enough in a fight or an argument. Is that the only reason I don't talk about religion? Because it's going to end in an argument? Yes. Okay. Then I'm going to talk to your religion. And I promise you, I swear by Allah, we're not going to argue. Now it's their excuse. So that in this scenario in which that was the

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problem, always with double with Muslims with non Muslims, you have to find out why very important. Many times people come up to me, and please don't do it. At the end of this lecture. There is a brother and every time we tell him to pray, he starts to eat boiled eggs. Why does he do that? But what can I tell him? I can't tell you what to tell him. You have to find out why he does that every time it's time for solo? No, there's my mother. And every time it's time for Salah, she says this, or does that or that type? What can I tell her? It's not about what can you tell her at the moment? It's about why does she behave like that? So why always find out why someone doesn't want to become

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Muslim. Why? Someone doesn't want to pray. Why? If I tell you, you tell me someone doesn't want to pray, Oh, God, tell him this hadith. And given that I am given the CD, no funder, what is What's his problem? You might link you might discover, you know, as you investigate, it's linked to some major sin he committed, like I say, seven months ago and decided he's not worthy of praise and so on and so forth. Find out the why. And you're halfway there, Charlie. Okay, questions is how do you deal with Christians? Whenever I try to point something wrong with the Bible, they say it's open to interpretation. They also say the Quran is open to interpretation. Number one, first thing left to

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note in the question. Try not to make that your your approach is to discuss what's wrong with the Bible. That's a last resort. I know, even if you're good at it, and you know, your passages and your and your verses very well. And you can destroy them at the end of the day. But you must admit that it takes you a good while because you're given this verse and they give you the other verse and then another contradiction and then they tell you in the end, it's an interpretation. And you make very little headway of any, if any, so number one as a as an approach, try not to do that. And use always use the Bible, and I know maybe you've read some good books and you've got some good arguments, but

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try not to use that. Talk about the beauty of Islam first. Yeah.

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Now if they say it's open to interpretation, interlocking

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This was open to interpretation. So in other words is open to interpretation. In the end, the real question is, what is the value of this book is a book of guidance, if everything in it is open to interpretation? And then some Muslims make the same argument about the Quran. Oh, that's how you understood the verse. That's not how I understand the verse number one, that what's the value of the Quran is a book of guidance. If there was no specific meaning of the Quran, there's a specific meaning otherwise alone wouldn't have said first Allahu Allah, decree and quantum let alone ask the people of knowledge. If you don't know them, ask them what if everything is open, the interpretation

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will just take yours and run with it. While you have to ask the person of knowledge after asked them because there's a specific meaning intended, and they know it. That's what allows them to scrub the Koran that it was revealed by Listen, in our opinion, may have been what is more been clear. So that means it can't be just vague and everyone will see this one reads the first one, what means this, the other guy goes in jump rope and everyone feels Okay, it can take me in a different direction. Also, the scholars say if the Quran had no specific meaning, why would there be a court or a justice system? Or would there be rulings because someone could steal, then you go in front of the judge,

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and you told your honor, that's your interpretation of this verse. According to my interpretation, I didn't steal, I took opportunity of something that was available with no one watching and,

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you know,

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so and so on, and so forth. So

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the argument holds no water. And if you tell me every verse is open to interpretation, one time this Christian told me, I told him, there's no proof at all of divinity of the divinity of Jesus in the Bible. He said, it's there, that you can't see it because God didn't touch you.

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I said, if that's the case, I'm not going to even worry about it on the Day of Judgment. And if you're if you what you think is right, on the day of judgment, let's suppose your height Yeah. And the Day of Judgment, then no one ever has to examine this book of yours or look into it. Because I can just say, Well, God, I looked at your book, it didn't make any sense. And you didn't touch me, so I could understand it. So what's the value of sending a book that you cannot understand? Unless that touches you? The mother would just touch you without the book? Yeah.

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And if so how would

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this make any sense? Okay.

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A lot on, how would you go about giving it to your own family? Again, this is one of those questions. Yeah, it's one of the very common questions. But

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a lot of times people would expect me in the answer to this just give you how to give doubt to your family. Okay. What are the dynamics? Is your family nonpracticing? And you're practicing? When you started practicing? Did you make their life miserable by telling them how long you broke the television, you did things in the house, and now they think you're extreme. And there's a very bad relationship, or there's a decent relationship? Maybe your father is a little practicing? Now, what's the situation? Okay, how old are you? How old? Are they? their background, and they're very cultural. When it comes to Islam. You the most important thought I want to get across now is that

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there's so many variables and so many factors involved, that if I were to give you the answer, this is how you get down to your family. Don't accept it from me, because that will be proof that I don't know what I'm talking about. Okay, if any chef tells you without asking the details, dynamics, and this is this is what you do. And they don't know what they're talking about. So

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So then what can I say that it's beneficial to the questioner? It will depend on a lot of things. Yeah. But for the most part, you do, you do show them the necessary respect. And if at some point you did burn the bridges, like a lot of people have done in the past, when they first started practicing. They burned all the bridges because dinner arguing about Islam lunch, we argued about breakfast, we argue about it. In the end, the fans don't want to hear about Islam. So now two months later, you want to bring up the topic again, no, you now you're at the stage of rebuilding and repairing those bridges. So once the bridges are repaired, then you start to cross over carefully.

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So I'll just end with that. We'll out on

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one more question. Okay.

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So let's take one question from the brothers. And one. You've asked the question by Mohammed, he didn't ask question. Yeah. So basically, when it comes down to Muslims today, like that, when you're given that we're just criticizing you for giving down because they're not doing it like Yeah, but like, it's because people are weak these days. They don't want to show that they're Muslim. They want to shave their beard, they want to wear Western clothes. But understand don't copy the Catherine's in it. So we might all be worn out for pain. You know, when there are so many Muslims, you know, when it comes down to it that when it comes down to the justice system, like so it's like,

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we were given up in that way. Yeah. So how should the people

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Like basically once you give that one like as Muslims like, because they don't want to be up for with you know straightforward to the non Muslims when you have to be in Islam to speak truth like that people are afraid to speak the truth so the question is how should they how should they like basically how should the Muslims the weak one the weakness

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how should they get down to the non Muslims okay?

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And that's always a scary combination right? Muslims is too afraid to even be Muslim and then he wants to give down

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we get this problem a lot also in America and these are the people who just watered down Islam, you know, and they make Islam look like every other religion so they'll tell you things like, you know, in it, you know, the Quran says Jews and Christians will enter into paradise and would you like to become Muslim sort of know your currency gone to paradise? Why should I know the water down so much? So like these people themselves are obviously there.

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As much as we say Tao itself increases your demand, but these people need to rebuild up to that level as well before they go out. And they can do more damage than good actually. So yeah, and if they if you know these people, then you can instruct them with evidence. Yeah. on what to say and what not to say. And what the evidence is like the I'd say this and the whole answer is that you cannot go up to someone and say something totally different. And perhaps get them involved with organized

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groups so they can see what is being said how it's being done. And and things along those lines.

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And then the other four questions or the three they're all good questions and deserving of being responded to it because of brevity of time. But this question is very simple as is can a Muslim woman give out to her non Muslim work colleagues, and she has a normal working relationship with the scholars say that a Muslim woman, okay? can give an IT can give Dawa to a non Mahara male, for example, so long as the conversation does not go outside the confines of or the subject of Tao, once we get into a level the color of your hijab and hey, Google Google, then we have a problem. But as long as it doesn't go beyond that, then it's okay. Now, with that being said, because of the time

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that we live in, I strongly recommend that if there's suppose there's nobody but you, and a woman comes up to you, and she says, Can you tell me about Islam? Right? Or there's no one but the sister and a man comes up to her and says, Can you tell me about Islam?

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With with given our society in the world today? Why on earth would you continue for weeks just talking at night? And under the covers equal? You know?

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Why would you continue like that? So initially, there was nobody button me so then I passed her on to another sister, okay. Or initially, there was no one but us sister in the mail came to you, but in it later on, you pass them on to someone else who's capable, but there's no reason why for four or five days, you should continue talking and chatting and sending, you know, smiley faces and be careful. He ruins things. I want to close by telling you about one page in the notes and the course that's coming up. I have been teaching our courses for about 10 years, okay, I know what can happen. inshallah, if you take the material and try it, this one strongly trying to advise you, and urge you

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to sign up for this course. Because I know what not because I put together some course. But because I knew what this course is done in the past. Yeah. So there's a page in the notes that you follows a new technique. The old technique, let's say for example of discussing Trinity, we go back and forth, back and forth, I give you a verse, give me a verse I contradicted with another verse, and so on and so forth. And we would sit down for it with missionaries for three hours, but in the end, Hamdulillah, we would destroy them using their own Bible, right, but it took us three hours to destroy them. Now, maybe I shouldn't use words like destroy, what's a nicer word, convinced deal

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with you to convince you know, understand one, another, annihilate annihilate.

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Now, it takes about seven to 10 minutes because of this new technique, where we don't go into the details. But we just question the mindset, why would you believe in something that's three, even though it's physically, that's one, even though it's physically separate, okay, that's three, that's not one, or one of one of them dies for three days, and instead of becoming two, it's still one. So what we tackle the mindset now, and I'm going to give you an example, there's a page in the notes that in the past, I used to not teach, I would announce in the beginning of the course, I'm skipping this page, because it's self explanatory. You read it at home. And that was used to be page 59.

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Right? Page 59 deals with polytheism believing in more than one god something that's very suitable for a Hindu or something like that. Why? So it tackles the mindset, why would you believe that? There's

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More than one God, there are some some huge problems with believing in more than one God. So I taught this in South Africa, I came back some months later asked the students what happens after the course one of them said, My brother and I took the course. We went home and I watched my older brother, pick up the phone, turn the course notes to page 59. He called the Hindu friend of his, he went over the arguments from the beginning of the page to the bottom of the page, his friend took Shahada over the phone. So I'm thinking, Okay, I'm good. Now I go to South Australia, and I give the course there before and I want to show off to them and tell them one of the brothers in South

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Africa, this happened to him. So one of the brothers who was there and said, same thing happened to me. I said, Tell me the story. He said, I took the course. I went home, I opened the course notes to page 59. I called the Hindu friend of mine, I went from the arguments from the beginning of the page until the end of the page, and the guy took his Shahada over the follicle. This is the technique of tackling the mindset. You want to know what's on page 59 April 13