Islam Modernism Part 1

share this pageShare Page
Jamal Zarabozo

Channel: Jamal Zarabozo

Episode Notes

Episode Transcript

© No part of this transcript may be copied or referenced or transmitted in any way whatsoever. Transcripts are auto-generated and thus will be be inaccurate. We are working on a system to allow volunteers to edit transcripts in a controlled system.


00:00:07--> 00:00:07

About

00:00:10--> 00:00:12

a brother mentioned Actually, these are

00:00:15--> 00:00:20

the four lectures that I gave in some other city. And you cannot forget how to put them all into one lecture.

00:00:24--> 00:00:27

And you will over time will inshallah, click Complete all four.

00:00:29--> 00:00:30

And basically, it's

00:00:31--> 00:00:33

a discussion of the

00:00:34--> 00:00:36

the modernist moment,

00:00:37--> 00:00:39

which comes under

00:00:40--> 00:00:41

a couple of names.

00:00:42--> 00:00:43

Sometimes they're called

00:00:52--> 00:00:55

different names, but in essence, we are, we're talking about the same

00:00:56--> 00:01:10

same group of people. And we're talking about really a methodology and how to understand them. These people have their own methodology, and Java in one in the last lecture, or actually in the last two lectures.

00:01:11--> 00:01:25

The purpose of those lectures is to, to look at their methodology and compare it to the grandson Nancy, and what point they are correct in their methodology. And in what points they are incorrect in their Lemonheads.

00:01:28--> 00:01:31

We're also doing this during these lectures.

00:01:33--> 00:01:36

And I may be referring to a number of people.

00:01:39--> 00:01:43

One of the important points that I think I mentioned before another lectures I've given

00:01:47--> 00:01:47

whenever,

00:01:49--> 00:01:52

whenever we talk about someone else's opinion, or someone else's says,

00:01:54--> 00:02:01

and we do not know what is in the heart of that person, and the words the person may have the right intention with what you think is wrong.

00:02:03--> 00:02:11

The right intention for what you think is wrong, and we still have the obligation to object to what he's saying, and to an incorrect.

00:02:13--> 00:02:15

And some people seems alone.

00:02:16--> 00:02:28

They have the intention, for example, to defend Islam, or try to show that Islam is better than other ways of life. If they do, they do it in the wrong way. So the intention might be find this in between them and all that.

00:02:29--> 00:02:34

But for us to accept what they did, and to be silent, and what they're doing has to be correctable.

00:02:36--> 00:02:43

What they're doing is not correct according to the Quran, Sunnah. It is our obligation to point out that this is wrong.

00:02:44--> 00:02:45

This is not proper.

00:02:48--> 00:02:49

Secondly, there's

00:02:50--> 00:02:54

some debate about whether I should mention actually mentioned the name of

00:03:00--> 00:03:04

this. Yeah, not to mention him. And I agree with him. And I also disagree.

00:03:06--> 00:03:11

And in the past, for example, I will not mention actually the names of the people who I'm talking about.

00:03:13--> 00:03:15

When it came to the point where people would say to me that

00:03:17--> 00:03:21

these people you're talking about they are unknown people, you're making some of these things up.

00:03:24--> 00:03:30

And you don't mention who they are explicitly, so they keep continuing to be popular. And people don't notice that these are the same people I was talking

00:03:32--> 00:03:39

to then I realized that in some occasions, at least, and you have to mention them by name and get quotes from them. The only what they said

00:03:40--> 00:03:41

was he didn't suffer.

00:03:44--> 00:03:51

He should not discuss someone's false behind his back. But at the same time, if he's giving something which is like public,

00:03:53--> 00:03:55

and it is like Neri and everything, which is wrong.

00:04:01--> 00:04:03

But even Yani even when it's allowed to talk,

00:04:05--> 00:04:05

you have to apply.

00:04:07--> 00:04:09

What is best to mention them or not.

00:04:10--> 00:04:14

Can you do some simplifications. If you mentioned them, yeah, this will just lead to disaster.

00:04:16--> 00:04:17

Within this room, yeah.

00:04:27--> 00:04:29

Yeah, for sure. We'll get to that.

00:04:32--> 00:04:34

If you jump ahead and no one will listen to

00:04:37--> 00:04:42

me the first the first thing we have to realize about me this group of people who basically

00:04:43--> 00:04:46

they are judging things, according to their market,

00:04:47--> 00:04:54

and they are giving their opinion or their intellect or the rational rationale, any special place.

00:04:55--> 00:04:59

One thing we have to realize about these people is actually they might have

00:05:00--> 00:05:02

Hey there, we're thinking, in essence, it's actually a very old,

00:05:04--> 00:05:07

very old metal. And it goes back to the Greek days.

00:05:09--> 00:05:13

group of people known as the rationalist was exactly the same thing as

00:05:15--> 00:05:37

cannon were. They just everything according to their, their articles even and just from a theoretical point of view. And the original rationalist didn't do empirical studies. They didn't like, for example, go to lab and do some stuff. They just sat there in the room, drinking coffee, or whatever they're thinking,

00:05:39--> 00:05:49

and thinking and it from their app, and gallery, wherever they could prove to me from their app, this must be correct. And whatever. And it cannot be proven by their artists this had to be rejected,

00:05:50--> 00:05:54

was the classic example in the history and from the Greek time

00:05:55--> 00:05:57

is the era Aristotle and Socrates.

00:05:58--> 00:06:03

These two were the The classic example of people putting any religion completely under up.

00:06:05--> 00:06:07

They made basically three mistakes.

00:06:09--> 00:06:16

The first mistake was they used, or they tried to use apple in things that it cannot completely comprehend.

00:06:17--> 00:06:21

And you have to realize that there are some things in this world that that Apple or the intellect

00:06:23--> 00:06:26

at the time enough to know and he did not, does not comprehend.

00:06:28--> 00:06:30

So it's beyond, it's beyond the realm.

00:06:31--> 00:06:45

And since these people respected Apple, so much, they should respect enough to know that this is something beyond the realm of intellect, and therefore they should not judge this thing, using their intellect because they're judging. And it's something that you do not have the the ability to judge.

00:06:46--> 00:07:04

Secondly, the second mistake was to for everything to happen, and to accept only those things in the intellectual accepted, and to reject those things that the intellect rejected. And in fact, there are some things in between. There are some things that happen neither can accept nor can reject, but it has to be quiet, and you can say anything.

00:07:05--> 00:07:20

And thirdly, also, the third mistake, was that the judge, Revelation or the any, if there was any claim to Revelation or anything coming from God, they judge that revelation and all of its aspects, and it completely based on

00:07:23--> 00:07:31

this matter, or this school of philosophy actually very important for Muslim history. Because unfortunately, when the when the Muslims

00:07:33--> 00:07:35

begin to deal

00:07:36--> 00:07:36

in

00:07:37--> 00:07:40

Ghanian philosophy, and begin to be influenced by,

00:07:41--> 00:07:53

by Greek philosophy, the person that they were most influenced by what their stuff this person had, who saw no other source of knowledge except for the fact actually, if we want to.

00:07:55--> 00:08:17

And if we want to be more specific, this way of thinking, of judging everything, it based on their on their own Apple, the type of type of arrogance me that we think that as human beings, any we have the right to judge everything, based on our own. And in fact, this is one of the characteristics, the only they're following the footsteps of the chiffon.

00:08:18--> 00:08:30

Whenever he was greeted, said, Call upon him and not walk up to him and clean, and he that he is actually using. And he the same kind of reasoning that the modernists use.

00:08:32--> 00:08:51

The same for Allah subhanaw taala at the time, and he after he was already boundless man will tell us to frustrate to Adam and he is taking that order from Allah subhanho wa Taala and he's judging it in his own way things I am better than him. And I should not frustrate him I'm better than him because you created me from fire and created him from

00:08:52--> 00:08:53

clay.

00:08:54--> 00:09:02

And this characteristic, unfortunately, as I said, is the first one and it's many human beings they follow the same way as they said those

00:09:03--> 00:09:05

early directions.

00:09:06--> 00:09:12

And it was the coming of Islam and the the pure teachings of Islam and the purity that Islam

00:09:14--> 00:09:17

and this this way of thinking actually should have been

00:09:18--> 00:09:23

and it should have been done away with because Allah subhana wa tada through the phone, some of them

00:09:24--> 00:10:00

gave it to me the general structure of something that we cannot deny. In other words are often cannot deny that the Quran is true. If we just study anything from from a rational point of view, whether what the Quran says is true or not, whether it is a revelation from Allah subhana wa tada and whether the problem is a synonym was sincere in his message and whether he was true prophet can elaborate and unbiased can intellectual conclude with the problem department assessing them was the true prophets and the promise true. So that's the case Daniel is our intellectual leaders to that, then this means also therefore that everything in

00:10:00--> 00:10:03

forearms, and everything that's from hamster films that is true.

00:10:04--> 00:10:33

And in other words, the intellect leads us to believe that the Quran and the prophets are true. So that the corollary of that this means that everything in the Quran and everything that department says Adam said must be true. Otherwise, the first corollary is false. And the basic premise is false. So if someone says john, he is convinced by examples that the Quran is true, and the problem is true, and then he takes statements from the Quran and Hadith and start rejecting them, and he is in fact,

00:10:34--> 00:10:37

contradicting with his own zoning,

00:10:38--> 00:10:44

has has concluded, but unfortunately, and especially as Islam began to spread,

00:10:47--> 00:10:49

to other areas and new new people,

00:10:51--> 00:10:54

especially non Arabs begin to embrace Islam, many of them.

00:10:55--> 00:11:10

They came into Islam with an Englishness, we say they brought their old baggage, they brought all their old stuff, into Islam with them. And unfortunately, some of the Arab leaders also were influenced by them such as Oliver moon, who established something called

00:11:12--> 00:11:44

de Hackman was a place for everyone to come and discuss any philosophy and religion, whatever they want to whatever they want to discuss. Even there are Hindus there, there are Buddhists there, and so on, so forth. And during his time, the books of the Greek philosophers were being translated into, into Arabic. And it began to influence the Muslims. And it led to the development of two sciences in Islamic history. One is the science of philosophy. And the other is the science of

00:11:47--> 00:11:48

science of speech,

00:11:49--> 00:11:52

no clams, there's no one I didn't have to worry about.

00:11:54--> 00:12:21

So these two sciences developed, and as I said, unfortunately, they were both the same, especially the philosopher aspect. Both of these two scientists were getting influenced greatly by Aristotle school, and tullian School of thinking, which is a good school. And he believes that everything can be judged based on Apple and Apple alone. And if Apple doesn't accept something, then

00:12:22--> 00:12:28

has been rejected. Now also that time, any philosophy included by the way, mathematics, physics,

00:12:29--> 00:12:33

medicine, all of these things were included as part of what was known as philosophy.

00:12:34--> 00:12:51

So many of the Muslims, anyone they saw how advanced the Greeks were in these other fields, and in medicine and astronomy and so forth, they read they thought that was a must also be advanced in philosophy. So they began to take some of these ideas and even add a judge the Quran according to these ideas.

00:12:54--> 00:13:04

That's right. Yeah, that's what all of you people are trying to get here. They begin to they begin to judge the Quran. And the Sunnah, especially many hundreds of 1000s

00:13:05--> 00:13:25

according to Greek philosophy, for many of them, and in Greek philosophy was superior. And the reason Greeks, philosophy was superior, especially in philosophy or matters of our VEDA, they said that, and that isn't updated for something to be acceptable, it has to be on a service or confirmed by Apple.

00:13:28--> 00:13:31

So, therefore, any irrational argument or an argument which is

00:13:32--> 00:13:37

based on rational premises, this takes precedence over the function which is not based on Russia.

00:13:38--> 00:13:48

And in fact, there was a debate among the philosophers whether or not the crank abused the subject an athlete, and because this is not based on rational, then that means it's

00:13:50--> 00:13:51

the default and we cannot,

00:13:53--> 00:13:53

we cannot use

00:13:55--> 00:13:55

that.

00:13:58--> 00:14:15

Another girl photo, this was the influence Gianni by that was the extreme philosophies that I was talking about another group that was influenced by the Greeks, and also put up an or the intellect above the Sharia, is the golden rule known as the as the modular.

00:14:16--> 00:14:20

The modular since they were any closer to the mainstream of Islam.

00:14:22--> 00:14:30

He could not take the same position as the philosopher's and he could not say that will reject the Quran or Quran is not. So they were forced to accept the Quran.

00:14:32--> 00:14:33

For at the same time, Iran

00:14:34--> 00:14:38

had many there's many things in the Quran that goes against them.

00:14:39--> 00:14:52

So the only solution is to resort to something known as that we were basically you say this, this is what the Quran says. But what would it mean if this was the only solution because they had to stick to the Quran, or they have to stick around because the only thing to say

00:14:54--> 00:14:55

that they could do

00:14:56--> 00:14:59

and as I said also they could kill they said the psilakis

00:15:00--> 00:15:01

takes precedence over

00:15:03--> 00:15:07

any logical OR rational thought or intellect takes precedence over

00:15:09--> 00:15:20

anything which is narrated especially how do you deal with the provinces dilemma the in particularly since the economic crash the foreign they tried to check the progress of Dylan

00:15:22--> 00:15:25

Ramachari, who's very famous,

00:15:26--> 00:15:27

and he first appeared

00:15:28--> 00:15:29

one time

00:15:32--> 00:15:33

as the most recent

00:15:34--> 00:15:37

MGP jenica coupon

00:15:39--> 00:16:12

Hassan here he means the lockean MCP Jena conductor is so funny when it took noburo as the Fulani was for them, and he should any in your day goes to rely on what is the narrative for example from the prophet or from anyone, even from Allah subhana wa tada because the Quran actually is the narration from the public facility from the angel Gabriel from Allah subhanho wa Taala. And he's saying that the Don't be don't rely on these things don't be convinced by these things but you should only walk in your deen nothing in dunya is a go on your deen underneath the banner

00:16:13--> 00:16:22

locker and do not be any satisfied with the narrations that you that you receive also in his fear,

00:16:24--> 00:16:25

and he makes the

00:16:26--> 00:16:30

team just like, and even he has actually better words than one part of

00:16:33--> 00:16:36

explaining the words of Allah subhanaw taala talking about

00:16:38--> 00:16:38

any

00:16:40--> 00:16:59

very disrespectful term, also any with respect to the Sahaba. And it is the same situation. One of the leaders of the Mozilla, he said by Allah, and he will leave it in a minute. And as a bear testified concerning issue late I will not accept the system

00:17:00--> 00:17:04

was an option. He also called him and massaged in his in his personal

00:17:05--> 00:17:12

life. And he that's what led him to these things is that they found some things in the dean's office and

00:17:13--> 00:17:24

so the office is not accepted yet what what could they do. And what they had to do is they have to know the position of the Quran and he will lower the position of the problem and assessing them and also

00:17:26--> 00:17:35

of the Sahaba. And as I said, and even even with respect to the Quran, they really make a will and sometimes even they will try to change the

00:17:36--> 00:18:08

the wording of the Quran as the famous example from Allah. And Allah subhanho wa Taala says will will kill him or her moose attack Lima. And they are not willing to accept the fact that this attribute or give the attribute of speech to Allah subhanaw taala, which goes completely against him or her. So we change the verse actually they change the verse from kinema mahomes attack Lena to kill him amamos a second. And if you change the one who was doing the reaction, and all all of these things,

00:18:09--> 00:18:19

were the result actually of they're replacing Lacan before anything else also interfere, for example, they're leading, they're leading people.

00:18:20--> 00:18:39

They reject many things in the Quran. And that has to do with labor the unseen. And as I said, as I said before, any one of the mistakes of Aristotle and the early rationalist is that they use Apple for things, and it cannot judge, for example, the unseen. As you can see, it's very going to say whether it's true or not.

00:18:40--> 00:18:43

But the end if they took their approach, that would at least be the release of

00:18:44--> 00:19:05

a little girl silence and said, okay, we can say whether that's true or not, that's fine. Well, that's not fine because the front maybe says the truth, but at least as good as a miracle. There was even if it's in the Puranas, they cannot prove it by atom they will reject. So for example, with respect to the jinn, many of the martyrs Allah they reject the existence of the jinn.

00:19:06--> 00:19:10

And it based on this point that they cannot confirm it.

00:19:13--> 00:19:17

Over time this this might have been this way of thinking and alert was

00:19:19--> 00:19:24

Gannett was dominated by as Allison was your mind and over time basically, it died out.

00:19:26--> 00:19:33

And the school the modern schools that exist today actually doesn't really have the roots in the masjid although they have

00:19:35--> 00:19:39

many, many common many similarities between the villa and the

00:19:40--> 00:19:48

throne today. And but that's not actually where the roots are from the roots are actually from Europe. And in this group today

00:19:50--> 00:19:53

whether you want to throw them wherever you want to call them in the modern movement

00:19:55--> 00:19:59

in any [email protected], Laconia and it

00:20:00--> 00:20:00

Do not use it.

00:20:03--> 00:20:03

This is

00:20:04--> 00:20:18

this is what they like to call themselves. And it is the root word, this modern group income, actually, they are much closer ties with Europe than they have with the old with the old masters. And they developed from the same,

00:20:19--> 00:20:22

basically around the same circumstances in which the

00:20:23--> 00:20:26

in which any movement in Europe

00:20:27--> 00:20:35

came. So therefore, we have to really understand this movement, we have to actually go to Europe and try to understand what's happening in Europe.

00:20:37--> 00:20:53

And you're doing what they call the Middle Ages, any of the church, the Catholic Church, controlled everything, including the learning sciences, everything was under the control of the church. And if the church system is true, you have to believe it is true, otherwise, then you have,

00:20:54--> 00:20:55

you're going to have a difficult life.

00:20:56--> 00:21:20

But at the same time, because as Muslim Spain, they began to develop what is called the scientific method, that is now called the scientific method, I forget this four stages to it, I don't remember exactly what the hypothesis observation and so forth and so on. So they, in other words, they begin the the begin and end not just rationally scanning from their mind, but they begin to experiment.

00:21:22--> 00:21:35

And from from any Islamic thing, the people of Europe begin to see and begin to realize that what was being taught by the church, and it was not actually true.

00:21:36--> 00:21:39

And if the church had many ideas at that time, which the

00:21:41--> 00:21:47

the Muslims in Spain and because of the scientific method, and if the people begin to realize that actually what the church is teaching

00:21:49--> 00:22:08

is not true. So they began to very slowly and you revolt against the church. And there begins to be a no greater philosophers and these are really the founders of the the, the, the modernist school, or at least what the what the proposed and led to the Modern School, for example, there was there was a

00:22:09--> 00:22:11

there was a philosopher by the name of

00:22:14--> 00:22:18

specific cause was a strong believer in God.

00:22:19--> 00:22:34

And this is, by the way, a sign as I said earlier, intention and action, sometimes they do not go together. Kant was a very strong believer in God. And he thought that what you would be doing would be defending the religion

00:22:35--> 00:23:02

by saying that the laws the laws contained in Revelation or divine laws are actually work on a different spheres in human law. That was divine revelation has nothing to do with actually what's going on in this world. He thought he's defending all of these false beliefs that the Christian says, But actually, what what this actually led to, is it okay, let's get them in. If we want guidance, just ignore the Bible. One get at it just ignore what was

00:23:04--> 00:23:09

what was what was always known as revelation, or what has come from our data.

00:23:10--> 00:23:23

And also Darwin's theory, Darwin's theory that human beings actually evolved from from animals of other any lower, lower on the chain of theory from the beginning was very weak.

00:23:24--> 00:23:33

He never did find the missing link in his in his theory, but also this Yani was very harmful for the church. Because the church had always been teaching that

00:23:34--> 00:23:41

God had created human being, and so forth. And this, God had created Adam and Eve, and so forth. And this theory

00:23:43--> 00:23:50

also was something that when this when this theory, theory spread, people begin to question the Bible,

00:23:51--> 00:23:53

and also another philosopher by the name of the court.

00:23:55--> 00:24:28

The court also said, the nature was like a machine. There's no spiritual element to it. And everything happens according to a law. And also Newton's law condition also was insane. So when the in the West, they began all of these types of ideas, basically all of these ideas are saying that there's no room for religion, or revelation has really no purpose in guiding mankind, that everything basically is based on laws. And all we need to know to find out what is best is to study those laws, and we'll find out what is best for mankind. So we don't run out the need of Revelation.

00:24:29--> 00:24:59

So we now have the old god of the Greeks actually coming back now, it's not just rational thought, but as rational thought with some increases in the ante some actually testing. And their friends after that they came to the conclusion as, as one of the philosophers said, his name was Nietzsche said God is dead, and we have no need for God anymore. Now that we understand how the world works, we have no need for His revelation or anything because everything is according to law, we just discover those laws. And that's all we need. Now, this

00:25:00--> 00:25:13

This way of thinking actually, if you look at the modern, modernists in the Muslim world, actually, this is actually the source, or the root of their way of thinking. But that's jumping ahead we'll get, we'll get to that

00:25:14--> 00:25:20

destroys anyone's belief in Christianity, or any anyone's belief in Judaism.

00:25:21--> 00:25:28

So they came up with, with the idea of modernism, or the modernist movement, basically, that religion.

00:25:29--> 00:25:33

And it's not something fake, for it should change according to the circumstance.

00:25:35--> 00:25:49

That was the modernist movement basically, is that not everything in the revelation is to be fixed. We have to believe in it as it is. But it's supposed to change with the changing of pulses, and changing of environment. And

00:25:51--> 00:25:54

what that means, actually, is that there's no such thing as absolute truth.

00:25:56--> 00:26:10

That's what they're saying. And it there's no such thing as absolute truth, to something may have been true at one time. And so therefore, it was revealed to Moses that reveals to us that Jesus, but it's no longer true today. So therefore, we need not apply.

00:26:12--> 00:26:21

In this is what this is what the modernist school is all about. And this is the this is this was the Jewish and the Christian

00:26:23--> 00:26:25

response to any to what was going on

00:26:26--> 00:26:26

in the

00:26:28--> 00:26:48

any in Europe at that time. So therefore, they came up with new theories, how to explain any trying to explain how Judaism or how Christianity, Christianity is still relevant today. And if the teachings are actually no longer relevant, what role does it play. So they tried to come up with a new kind of new form of Christianity, a new form of Judaism,

00:26:49--> 00:26:58

and Islam, introducing new things into the into the religion so that people will somehow still stick to it. For example, Moses, Mendelssohn, Jewish leader,

00:27:00--> 00:27:10

and he started a school, which was both teaching both Judaism and modern and modern science this time. And what you did, what they did in that school,

00:27:11--> 00:27:28

is that they noticed that the young people were interested in one thing in old Judaism system meals. So they decided to change Judaism to make sure that the young people don't need to do this. And some of the things that they did is the the produce to be has to be said in Hebrew, they changed the said it could be said in the,

00:27:29--> 00:27:53

in the local language, and they also introduced the use of musical instruments. And he did the if you go through the church, nowadays, they sing from the beginning to the end. And also the Jewish synagogue, especially in the north, they call the reformed, or the liberal Jew candidate thing from beginning to the end also, and it is actually written, this was talking about the 19th century 1800s. And it introduced the use of Christmas.

00:27:55--> 00:27:59

simile, and it is basically three Jewish rabbis called Steinem full time and Geiger.

00:28:01--> 00:28:07

They were basically the ones who led this new movement. For example, Geiger said that,

00:28:09--> 00:28:29

that Judaism is an ongoing revolutionary process. And it keeps getting better over time. And he says this, and this is an important point. Yeah. And he said that the Bible was collected by human beings, and therefore there's some things which are divine, and some things that are human, how to know what's divine, what's human, what doesn't sound good anymore, and must be human.

00:28:31--> 00:28:32

It still sounds good, it must be divine.

00:28:34--> 00:28:36

Because obviously, the divine part.

00:28:38--> 00:28:52

So there's anything in the infrared floriana, you're basically on your own if you've come to the Bible, and you don't like somebody who says they want us to hold this. And that's actually if you look at Jews and Christians, now, most of them, and this is how they are you. So this is what it says in the Bible, this act.

00:28:53--> 00:29:00

And it grows old is. So the, as I said, the thing some of the things that they they introduced into the Jewish,

00:29:03--> 00:29:06

the Jewish, whatever religion, they,

00:29:07--> 00:29:20

they said the prayer and it doesn't have to be in Hebrew as as it introduced musical instruments. They said it's allowed for women to marry non Jews. And it is law from the 19th century. They said it's allowed for women to mix with men,

00:29:21--> 00:29:28

the change the laws of divorce, and the and so forth, and they made basically, the changes that you see

00:29:30--> 00:29:42

that you see actually still among them today. Now, although this movement started in Europe, it wasn't very successful in Europe. For many reasons, people were a little bit more conservative there plus people know their religion.

00:29:43--> 00:29:56

So of course, the place where it grew and developed was United States. And it is used mostly in that case is reformed Jews. And it's to the point that at one time all the synagogues, all the Jewish temples in the United States were reformed.

00:29:57--> 00:30:00

Any reformed or liberal Jewish

00:30:00--> 00:30:07

Simply. And here's the here when they came here, they had something known as the Pittsburgh flood platform and emit together. And they agreed,

00:30:08--> 00:30:14

first of all, that the Old Testament would get it together by human being. So therefore, and it's not for

00:30:15--> 00:30:24

any, any scientific invention does not contradict with Jewish beliefs, even if it contradicts with the Bible. In other words, Jewish belief is whatever isn't proven by science.

00:30:25--> 00:30:27

If it contradicts the Bible, we just neglect the Bible.

00:30:28--> 00:30:33

Even including Darwinism, it's an even Darwinism, I need to believe that we came from

00:30:34--> 00:30:39

gorilla or whatever this is okay, because we don't have to believe the Bible literally.

00:30:41--> 00:30:50

And they also said that they no longer have to wear the traditional Jewish dressing, dress. And they even said that Judaism is the progressive religion,

00:30:51--> 00:30:59

always in touch with Apple, and therefore it's possible for them to work with both Christians and Muslims, since both Christians and Muslims originally came from Judaism anyway.

00:31:01--> 00:31:03

And they completely rejected the idea of the hereafter.

00:31:05--> 00:31:14

And they said to be a Jew, you just have to work for the best society that you can. This is modern, or what they called liberals do this. Now the same kind of thing happened.

00:31:15--> 00:31:29

Among the Christians, again, there's a problem between their belief and what science is proving, which is a belief in the Trinity three in one in one in three, and so forth. And also they begin to study the Bible closer,

00:31:30--> 00:31:33

what they call higher criticism of the Bible. And they found that there was lots of

00:31:35--> 00:32:04

lots of lots of contradictions in the Bible. So again, also the the Christian leaders decided that therefore any all of the Bible isn't divine, some of it is humans, some of it is from Allah. And also, they began to study other religions, like the old Egyptian religion, the old Greek religion, and many of them came to the idea that religion is an evolutionary process, it keeps getting better. And so therefore, it should keep getting better now. And if you talk to many Christians, today, they'll say that revelation

00:32:05--> 00:32:48

is progressive in evolution, and evolution is still happening. And we still keep getting better and better that our religions, and therefore therefore, they also they came up with the idea that there's no absolute truth. And what the Bible says necessarily, is not necessarily the truth forever, but may have been true at one time, and so on. And this was this was basically these were the leaders, basically, in the 19th century. And then both the 18th and the 19th century. And this was unfortunately, also the same time in which the Muslims, once again, Danny started looking forward to the west. This was the same time that the the Europeans began to conquer some of the

00:32:48--> 00:33:03

Muslim man. This was the same time that the Muslims and he began to look to Europe and see that they're scientifically advanced, and began again to start taking the ideas of the of the Europeans are of those anonymous, as I said,

00:33:05--> 00:33:14

and as he left them, because unfortunately, they took those ideas. Well, now again, this is unfortunate, because they took these ideas of these modernist

00:33:15--> 00:33:44

modernist thinkers. And for the Muslims, basically, there was there was three choices, either reject everything that the West had, completely, or to accept everything that the West had completely or tried to see what should the depth and what they shouldn't be. And he there was no there was no question that the Muslim world at that time was in any very, from Islamic very Masonic point of view, it was in a bad situation, and the Muslims that stray far from it.

00:33:46--> 00:33:48

And so therefore, there were some, some reformers

00:33:50--> 00:33:52

who tried to point out the mistakes

00:33:54--> 00:33:57

that the Muslims were doing and try to point out any words is correct.

00:33:59--> 00:34:03

But at the same time, unfortunately, these reformers were not as strong or as influential,

00:34:04--> 00:34:09

as though as those reformers who could you really because modern

00:34:11--> 00:34:14

and basically these monitors developed in three areas.

00:34:16--> 00:34:21

And they developed in these three areas, basically, because of the because of the importance of these two years.

00:34:22--> 00:34:26

Number one, they developed in certain because circuit was the status of sequence.

00:34:28--> 00:34:41

Number two was in the indo Pak Pakistani subcontinent, because this is where the Europeans, especially the British had loss of economic interests. And number three, they developed in Egypt, because Egypt was the seat of Aloha, can is

00:34:42--> 00:34:59

the center of learning for the Muslim world was respected as the leading and a center of learning. So therefore the support and when they realize this point they concentrated on on Egypt for that reason, and in particular on her journey in Turkey.

00:35:00--> 00:35:02

We all know what's happened in Turkey.

00:35:03--> 00:35:08

In Turkey, we had what's known as an IT WAS a synchronous revolution. What

00:35:10--> 00:35:18

you have to realize, of course, that harmony and modernity, and he they are not for for that basically they are the same.

00:35:19--> 00:35:22

The only difference between them is one is more blatant than the other.

00:35:23--> 00:35:31

And 11 is that we don't have any need for religion to legit throw it all out and decide what we're going to follow and what we're not going to follow by ourselves.

00:35:32--> 00:35:34

So they're very blatant, this is what editors This

00:35:36--> 00:35:43

is a religion has no role in, in the nation. We as human beings, were going to decide what we're going to follow what

00:35:44--> 00:35:48

course and he didn't use his mind very much. He just took a lot for coming from Europe and applied it.

00:35:49--> 00:35:49

And

00:35:51--> 00:35:53

that's the that's the centralist towards

00:35:54--> 00:36:08

the way of the modern is basically the same. They're saying we're going to decide what to follow and what not to follow by ourselves. And human beings are going to decide what to follow or not follow. But at the same time, we're going to call it we're going to put it in the name of religion.

00:36:09--> 00:36:18

We're going to say we're going to follow this and follow that and follow this. And we're going to say that Islam says that, okay. Well, the people, the Secretary said, we're going to follow this and follow it and they don't care what.

00:36:19--> 00:36:35

But in essence, they're the same. In both cases, it's as humans can decide what to follow. And what they want for one case, they follow us to the US in general. And the other case, Yanni, they claim that you're following the Sharia, and they'll choose from the Sharia what they want to they want to follow.

00:36:36--> 00:36:40

So, Ataturk actually I will leave him in discussion of what happened in

00:36:41--> 00:36:51

Turkey, for any for anyone who wants to talk about secularism as a separate system. In the case of indo Pak sub continent.

00:36:52--> 00:36:57

The the leader of this movement was, his name was suicide, McCloud.

00:36:59--> 00:37:02

And he always insisted on being called Sir, sir, is a British term

00:37:04--> 00:37:05

meaning any for someone

00:37:08--> 00:37:10

for giving someone someone respect.

00:37:12--> 00:37:16

And he lived in the in the middle of the 19th century,

00:37:17--> 00:37:22

in 1867, after the Muslims, and he revolted against the British, and they were defeated,

00:37:23--> 00:37:34

this man lay down the clan, he came to the conclusion that the the salvation or the success of the Muslims depends on cooperating and becoming the Friends of the British.

00:37:36--> 00:37:39

And also by adopting the way of the British culture.

00:37:40--> 00:37:43

And he says that there's no empathy, or there's no

00:37:45--> 00:37:52

there's no any, there should be no hatred between Christians and Muslims. Because this is the Muslims who have the greatest respect for each other.

00:37:53--> 00:38:08

So therefore, any of the two should be, should get together. And then he turns the publication, the magazine, and every issue of this magazine, what he tries to stress is how, how nice the British government is, and how they did this for the Muslims, and how they did that.

00:38:10--> 00:38:38

And in order to, in order to achieve that goal, and in order to take make the Muslims and become more like the British, I had to give some footwork, because at that time, for example, it was the, the Muslims would refuse to eat with the British. And they they would not sit at the same table, and eat with the British, and they will not eat the food of the British. So he gave a fatwa, and in order to bring them together, as there's nothing wrong with sitting and eating, at the same,

00:38:40--> 00:38:42

at the same table, and in some of his

00:38:44--> 00:38:53

some of his other any Patel is that the polygamy and having more than one wife is against the spirit of Islam. So, therefore, should be prohibited.

00:38:55--> 00:39:04

River are they interested in the modern banks and the business transactions that exist nowadays during his time, he said this is not actually reverse. So therefore says hello.

00:39:05--> 00:39:23

He also says that the punishments are those that are found in France, and he said these were only meant for barbaric society that did not have prisons. So therefore they should be done away with. And he also says that jihad is forbidden except in the case of self defense, and only if another country attacks you.

00:39:25--> 00:39:25

Should you

00:39:27--> 00:39:29

should you should you actually fight?

00:39:31--> 00:39:35

Also, he also said, Danny, that Islam is completely

00:39:37--> 00:39:50

completely consistent with science and astronomy and you hear it a lot and I think people days and they have no idea what they're saying. The sciences of Sciences actually have to to take science which is real science, which is any

00:39:53--> 00:39:59

any science which is actual facts, and science, which is theory and nothing, nothing. So it's a journey that

00:40:01--> 00:40:11

And of course, he's talking about science in the middle 1800s, which we know now this half of that science wasn't even true. But in order to prove that Islam was consistent with science and reason,

00:40:12--> 00:40:15

he said that all of the miracles in the Quran are deceptive, the prophets.

00:40:17--> 00:40:28

These are not true. They're all false. He said, The angels don't exist again, talking about something candidates actually Lacan cannot say whether angels exists or not, because they don't see also the jinn did not exist.

00:40:29--> 00:40:41

Also, the prophet returned to them was not born without a father. He said all these things, and he were not true, because according to him, they went against modern science. And he even said,

00:40:42--> 00:40:57

and he even said, they weren't even compared. And he even compared revelation with the Hello, hallucinate hallucinations. of insane, someone is much known that he hears things. And he says, This is gonna be similar to the revelations.

00:41:00--> 00:41:04

And he was there with the help of the British, he was able to start a university.

00:41:05--> 00:41:10

He started making 78 This is the university is called elegant University.

00:41:12--> 00:41:15

And basically, his goal of this university was to create

00:41:17--> 00:41:19

a generation of Muslims who had similar beliefs.

00:41:21--> 00:41:30

And in this, in this, in this university, the only language of teaching would be English.

00:41:34--> 00:41:38

Even the Muslims at that time, and he couldn't believe some of the things

00:41:39--> 00:41:39

that the

00:41:41--> 00:42:06

Klan was doing. Even Jamal, Jamal. Jamal is in love learning that about him that the English authorities and the British saw that this person was very helpful for him for them. So they did their best Danny to support him and give him honor and they helped him by building that college. Unfortunately, had many students. These students are still writing the still influential until today, among the Pakistanis, and even here in the United States.

00:42:07--> 00:42:11

Students included the phrase Amir, Amir Ali,

00:42:12--> 00:42:33

who was a Shia wrote a book called The second exam, very big book, one of the first books that I read about Islam. Basically, in this book, he says that the bottom 100% of the Quran as a human being, and he says, sometimes when he was wrong, he says, What can we expect at that time, and he was wrong here. He was wrong there. He points out places Nicaragua

00:42:35--> 00:42:39

was wrong. And I found this book being sold at one of the Muslim conventions.

00:42:40--> 00:42:45

And I told the people who were selling it that says, Danny, this book is eco friendly from the beginning to the end.

00:42:49--> 00:42:51

But unfortunately, it many people

00:42:52--> 00:43:02

they don't care about the book, they don't have any idea what they're selling. So this person said, Oh Baraka last week, he put it away. I came back three hours later there was sitting on top of table again.

00:43:04--> 00:43:08

And unfortunately, this book is jam. It's probably in his 50s.

00:43:09--> 00:43:14

And it's still being distributed. When Mohammed Ali also is one of his students about

00:43:16--> 00:43:17

Mohammed Ali was also one of his students.

00:43:19--> 00:43:20

The spirit

00:43:22--> 00:43:23

he actually was put

00:43:24--> 00:43:26

on his translation of the Quran into English,

00:43:27--> 00:43:34

which has very strange and he footnotes is still one of the popular translations that exists in the United States.

00:43:36--> 00:43:41

And his other his other students included the caliber team

00:43:47--> 00:43:48

who rejected

00:43:49--> 00:43:52

in many others. And in other words,

00:43:54--> 00:44:04

his school and his teachings actually, unfortunately, we're not just talking about himself, but he had really led to a new generation of writers and thinkers and it's propagated this

00:44:05--> 00:44:07

modernist way of way of teaching