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Is the Conspiracy Theorist Alex Jones conspiring against Islam with 6 very important QUESTIONS about 9/11 that will TEST YOUR INTELLIGENCE?

2017-05-19

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Salaam Alaikum greetings of peace. I'm excited to bring you another exciting episode of the D show with another exciting guest. Now islamophobes have no compunction hiding under the pretense of free speech, which is actually hate speech while going on a bigoted hate fueled witch hunt against Muslims, and Islam. While my next guests get this, my next guest was fired from his university job as a professor for critical thinking, and asking some of the six why questions and what are those six why questions? We'll be we'll be discussing and asking those same questions with you today and let you be the judge. And we'll also be trying to get to the bottom of why did alex jones take a

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turn and all of a sudden start attacking Islam? All this and more with my next guest. Dr. Kevin, when we come back.

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We got a very special guest in the studio here. I'm excited to bring on the show. We're going to be talking about some really interesting things here with Dr. Kevin, how are you, sir? Hey, it's good to be with you, Eddie. Thank you for being with us. Yeah, well, it's it's wonderful to be on your show. I've seen senior show for years going back. And it's it's great, what you're doing. Thank you very much. Thank you. Can you tell us? How did you get into you've written a lot of books. You've gotten into an area that many people would think is, you know, there's labels people call people, conspiracy theorists, you know, they make them look like they're crazy. Whatever the case.

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Anyone who questions anything, have an official story? It's like, okay, whatever the media puts out there, you got to swallow. Was that hook? bait and sinker? Right. And anyone questions, anything? But your question, you went down some rabbit holes, I've gone down all the rabbit holes. Yeah, it took me a while. Yeah, I started going down rabbit holes when I was what 1617 years old and discovered that the JFK assassination was a coup d'etat in the United States, I realized that American democracy was not quite what we were being told it was. And that didn't completely change my life overnight, I still went through a normal kind of academic career track, looking to be a

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first an English teacher, a French teacher, humanities teacher, then I came to Islam in 1993, and decided to learn Arabic. So I got into my Ph. D. program. And I was planning to be just kind of a normal professor. But after 911, a couple years after 911, actually, at the end of 2003, I looked into 911, closer after hearing that David Ray Griffin was working on it and saying it was an inside job. And so I looked at that evidence and was convinced and realized that this was so important, that it was worth pursuing. And so I've been jumping down all the rabbit holes ever since Why was it so important? Well, this launched a new era, not only in American politics, but in, in world

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politics as well. You know, we're now living through the so called clash of civilizations, which is basically a war on Islam. And as Muslims, we know that we are obliged to stand up for what's right, you know, to enjoin the good and forbid the bad, to speak truth to power to follow the example of Prophet Mohammed peace upon him, he and his companions, were in a much more difficult situation than we are today. They were under oppression by an oligarchy that was mistreating people. And that's the real example of Islam if the ethical level and I felt obliged to follow that I couldn't see myself spending seven years on the career track, keeping my mouth shut about this. So I started speaking

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out and all hell broke loose. So you You are a well, how can you define your career at that time where you were? How old were you at that time? Oh, I would have been in my 40s I guess. So you are a university professor? No, I just finished my PhD in 2004. Actually, so I actually was just as I was finishing the PhD that I discovered this 911 evidence. Yeah. And it was it was bad timing because normally you have to spend about seven years pursuing tenure before you feel like you have any job security, but I couldn't see keeping my mouth shut for seven years. Yeah. So are these some of the there were these are called like the six why's we'll get right into that and then we want to go into

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some history.

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Because you're also a historian, well, I've become a sort of a, an amateur historian, my training is not so much in history. I've been trained in journalism, Languages and Literature, humanities, and area studies, and to some extent, religious studies. But all of that, of course, is all tied in with history. So I've been looking at what you might call Hidden History, in the last decade or so, because many people are in the same, we're in the same position because they know after, because Islam is the fastest growing way of life in the world, according to the Guinness Book of World Records, many people, they connect with it, it makes sense. And they go down that rabbit spiritual

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rabbit hole, and they find out Wow, Islam answers all the questions to the purpose of life, why am I here? Where am I going? When I die? It's it's a peaceful way of life. It calls for, you know, so many great things, and to have it, you know, attributed to, to some one of the worst things in American history. We take strong offense to that. So it was that a catalyst where you took off to, to see like, hold on, where could some some any any person get, you know, the the audacity to try to use Islam to justify such an evil act? Yeah, I guess I saw that what the authorities are saying about Islam. And the reality of Islam is very, very different. And so that that's, I guess, by

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coming to Islam, and seeing that, that opened me up to going one step further and seeing Well, if they can lie about Islam, if they lie about JFK and these other events that I've learned about, it's possible they could be lying about 911. But honestly, for two years, I didn't realize that they could have done something that outdate audacious, I figured it was something relatively minor. Maybe they steered and infiltrated these hijackers or something. But the whole the whole 911 story never really made sense to me. But I just didn't get into looking really closely at it for two years. And I feel really stupid about that. How could I have been sleepwalking for two years actually believing

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this official story? Most of my Muslim friends in Madison, Wisconsin didn't believe it from the get go. I was the only one who said, well, let's wait and see how the evidence shakes out. But yeah, you're right that in any of us who've actually looked into Islam, and seen this completely different picture, the reality of Islam, which as you say, it's it's the best preserved authentic

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tradition of the divine revelations that have been sent down, it's well preserved, and it offers essentially perfect guidance. anybody in the world who practices Islam can have their spiritual level uplifted. And seeing that seeing that it clears up the misconceptions of the earlier brands of monotheism, by giving us the true oneness of God, by telling us that these are all messengers have come and brought God's Word to all these different people. And here's a way of life. That's simple, straightforward, makes sense, has profound ethical implications, and essentially, really straightens people out and straighten societies out to the extent that it's actually practiced. You know, all of

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that is so different from what we're fed in the media. That Yeah, it's another rabbit hole as well. Yeah. What do you think about this term? When people as soon as you question you have we're gonna get into some questions. They're just questions that that should be addressed, I think. But when you're called, or have you ever been called conspiracy theorists? Have I ever not been called a conspiracy theorist? I got paid $1. For every time I've been called a conspiracy theorist, I'd be a rich man. Now there are people who, you know, they come out with some crazy, you know, theories conspiracy. I'm not one of them.

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I but there's questions, and I'm gonna get into some questions are very important. But what do you think of the term when someone just throw as soon as you ask a question, someone will label you a conspiracy theorist? Well, that's a thought stopper. What they're saying is, we don't want to even think about what you're talking about. So here's a way to not think about it. And interestingly enough, this thought stopper was invented by the CIA, there was an actual CIA memo that was sent out to all of the CIA's assets in American journalism and world journalism in the mid 1960s. And it ordered their assets to start calling the people who were investigating the JFK assassination,

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quote, unquote, conspiracy theorists, that's where the term comes from. So the conspiracy theory about the term conspiracy theory is one of the many conspiracy theories that are actually true. So if someone called you a conspiracy theories, which they have these Do you agree to that term? Are you sure? No, I'm not a conspiracy theory. What do you say? I would say I'm a conspiracy realist, you know, the most commonly prosecuted federal crime it is conspiracy. The federal government admits that there are conspiracies all over the place and they prosecute a few of them. So we all know that conspiracies exist. A conspiracy is simply more than one person who you're working to accomplish

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something that's illegal or unethical happens all the time. Look around, folks. So this, the term conspiracy theorists really makes no sense at all. It was used with the JFK assassination to question those who denied that one guy lee harvey out

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Well did it was more than one guy. But today It makes no sense with 911 we all know more than one guy did it. The official conspiracy theory holds that it was 19 guys with box cutters led not just guys 19 pork chop loving whiskey drinking cocaine snorting stripper dating, create crazed, you know, cocaine freaks who patronize Jackie Cooper mops casino boats and kept flying to Las Vegas for gambling junkets, but they were also radical muslim fundamentalists. That's the official story, those 19 guys led by a man on kidney dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden, somehow cause three buildings to vaporize at freefall acceleration using box cutters. That's the official

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conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy theory, it posits a conspiracy of at least 20 people. And that conspiracy theory is one of the craziest conspiracy theories that's ever been promulgated. Well, isn't there a new poll? Or there are several polls that most Americans now over 50%, some as high as 80 85%. Don't believe the official story? Yeah, the polls are kind of all over the place, depending on how you ask. But there's one very clear poll from 2006. It's a Scripps poll that found that 36% of Americans said it was likely that 911 was an inside job designed to to trigger the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. So 36% of the American people, that's over 100 million people who say that,

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and there's another poll that shows that something was at 84 85% of the American people don't fully believe the government's version. Yeah. You know, Alex Jones. Oh, yeah. Do I ever I was in a studio once you were Yeah. Why? Why did he take a turn? And I wasn't a big fan of always watching him. But I sometimes someone would send me something. And I'd take a look. And he'd bring up some interesting points. But recently, he started really going after Islam. Yeah. Why did he do that? Well, it took us a total turn in another direction. There are two theories about this. And I don't know which is right, or maybe neither. But the two I've heard one is there's a whole school of thought that

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emphasizes that Alex Jones has always been kind of covering up for Israel. Now, let's face it, Eddie, I know this is very controversial, and people are gonna throw rotten fruit at us when we say this. But making Islam the great new civilizational enemy to replace communism really did benefit the State of Israel tremendously, because it united the whole West against the people who were the biggest problem for Israel. And it led to wars against the very countries that were giving Israel a hard time. So Alex was talking about 911 not being what we were told, but he has always steered the conversation away from discussing that aspect of the case. So there's some folks that think there's

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something funny going on there. And they point out that, you know, he has a lawyer who is the same lawyer as people in the Bronfman crime family, which is the the Jewish Zionist crime family that dominates Canada. So that's one theory. And I don't know if that's true or not another. And I think possibly more plausible reason that Alex Jones would have gone down this, this crazy path of extreme Islamophobia, even though he knows 911 was an inside job is that he makes more money that way. Because, remember, he's looking for the biggest possible audience. He's selling snake oil, and he doesn't really want a smart, sophisticated audience. He wants a pretty dumb gullible audience. So

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what's the best way to get a bunch of dumb gullible people who don't really believe what they hear in the mainstream media to watch your show? Well bash Islam because there are a lot of people who are not, you know, that maybe they don't have the time. Maybe they don't have the intellect, maybe they don't have whatever, to really look into things. And they like to look at the screen and like to get all excited, and they don't quite believe the mainstream media. Those people are wide, a wide open audience. And some somebody like Alex can build a huge audience of this bottom fears basically added add them to the more sophisticated people who've been watching him, especially since back when

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he was doing reasonably good stuff, when he had curtain mo working with him. So anyway, he's gotten much, much worse. He's focusing on a much lower level audience. And it's really unfortunate, because his operation has done some good stuff over the years are with us, too. Anyway. So you've been on this show? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you had a Have you tried to reach out to him ever since he's went on to slot Islamophobia bashing? Have you tried to retry I tried a few times, I tried many times. And there's actually a guy here in Chicago who kind of knows Alex or was communicating with Alex a bit. And I tried to go through him. And then I tried to be you know, when he ignored me, then

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I, you know, I started being a little more critical. And in the last couple of years, he's gotten so bad that I've given up trying to be nice to him and I basically, you know, call it the way I see it. Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and take a break and we'll be right back with more here with that.

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They're Kevin. They're

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back here on the dean show. Dr. Kevin, thank you again for being with us. So we're talking about Alex Jones and how he kind of took off and, you know, joined the hate parade of instigating all this hate against Islam and Muslims, you're a Muslim yourself, and you know what it stands for. And it's totally the antithesis of, you know, what people are saying out there. And if somebody would be sincerely and genuinely looking into it, they would come to the same conclusion that we have, but many people, they just joined that hate parade, it's like easier. And Alex, I'm really sad that he joined that then he's instigating a lot of mis information, and you've reached out to him You tried,

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because I think that would be genuine on his part to bring a Muslim like yourself, bring someone we've all seen, we made a program, mean a friend of mine, Dr. Seville, and we actually invited him to invite the Muslims on come if you have some, some questions and some doubts about something, some misinformation come bring us on. But we also hit a dead end. Yeah, it's too bad. He's a Christian, who he identifies as a Christian and his audience is mostly Christian. And 911 was largely designed to cause strife between Christians and Muslims, and to make both groups look bad. Yeah, and to try to make the atheist look good. You know, suddenly, we had all of these best selling books of the New

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atheists because of 911. And really Christians and Muslims should be working together and and really the good Christians and Muslims are working together now. But it's really sad when somebody with that huge audience of mostly Christians who don't really believe the official story of everything gets misled by Alex Jones. And, you know, there are some good conservative Christians who are reaching out to Islam, and we're telling the truth about Islam, people like Mark siljander. Have you ever had him on your show? No, I would highly recommend that he's a former Congressman, a very conservative Christian, Christian. islamophobe. Okay. He was, yeah, I met him once, I believe. Yeah,

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he's a great guy. And he's a conservative Christian with an accurate view of Islam. It's such people do exist. Yeah, he goes into the Semitic languages, and defines really what the word Allah how much they're Muslim. Is that the same? Yeah, same guy. And basically, what he found out is that the Quran is closer to real Christianity than most Christians understanding of Christianity. Why is that? Well, it's because if you get if you actually study the languages, you find out that the original Aramaic that Jesus spoke contains words that are cognates of the same terms that we find in Quran so the Quranic message, and Jesus's message as best as it can be reconstructed through these Greek

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texts, which were translations from Aramaic. It's it, they're ultimately very similar. And still gender recognized that it's so important and that actually vouches for the authenticity of both revelations. Yeah. Then this also happened back in in Rome. And you discussed this, Nero Didn't he said, try to set up and he did set up the Christians and they were persecuted because there was an attack that he did. Can you elaborate on it was one of those. Yeah, false flag. It was on history's first big false flags. And Nero burned Rome and blamed the Christians. And we've had a couple of other of these big false flags aimed at religious groups too. The other really big one that stands

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out is the Gunpowder Plot of 1604. I think it was. Guy Fawkes was a Catholic agitator who was set up as the Patsy with a bunch of gunpowder and wet gunpowder and barrels, and he was placed beneath parliament. And they arrested him and claimed that he was going to blow up the parliament kill all the top government people in England. And this message against Catholics went out to all the churches in the Church of England. And it was a lot like 911, except that instead of TV screens, this was preachers in churches screaming about the evil Catholic plot to blow up our government. And so this was the Gunpowder Plot was the false flag that launched the British Empire by whipping up

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hatred against Catholics and causing England to go to war, basically, permanently with Catholics, Spain and Portugal steal all of their colonies ultimately, and the British Empire was the result. Now what Well, you're mentioning the the Nero or what I brought up, and then this the Gunpowder Plot will bring up some more are these established

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facts. Now this is where historians or people have uncovered this anything I'm going to be very skeptical because I'm sure there are some things that are very controversial debatable, but when we talk about these are these without a shadow of a doubt things like let's bring up what Northwoods Okay, yeah, well, things that we can bring up. it's crystal clear. There's no arguing over it. Nero Nero burning Rome. And when we Christians, I think that's pretty much majority opinion. That's majority opinion. Yeah. Gunpowder Plot being a false flag. Yeah, not not so much because that's the official myth of the British Empire, the official version that the evil Catholic guy did it that was

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trying to blow up parliament. So that hasn't fully been accepted by but I think that more and more historians have seen that, that, that that was a false What's something where 895

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Sent where it's not how about Northwoods? Northwoods is pretty much a Sure. Well, we have the documents. Yeah. And the only reason we have these documents which proved that the top level of the United States government and military were planning to basically attack America. Yeah. Tell us for people who don't know what Norway Northwoods. And the plot behind that, right. Well, this was in 1962. And the hardliners in the US military were looking for an excuse to go to war with Cuba. Yeah, so the Joint Chiefs of Staff America's highest military commanders, led by a man named general Lyman laminates or drafted a plan that would have involved sinking American ships must killing American

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sailors on the high seas, it would have involved bombing American cities and killing innocent American civilians, and it would have involved a fake airliner shoot down blamed on Fidel Castro. And all of this would have led to a US invasion of Cuba. But President Kennedy and his advisor Robert McNamara, apparently said no to it. So that is we know that existed because we have the official document somebody saved McNamara's copy, apparently, it was discovered by an Australian researcher in the 1990s, after it was released under the JFK official records act. And then it became very well known, interestingly, right about the time of 911. What about Gulf of Tonkin?

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Again, that's another? Well, one thing everybody agrees on with the Gulf of Tonkin, was that what really happened and what was reported were completely different. That was the supposedly North Vietnamese attack on an American ship that launched the big American escalation in Vietnam. However, all historians today admit that there was no such attack. So the only question is what really happened, there was a maybe a little bit of a skirmish with the North Vietnamese boat. And then there was a big the American boat was firing into the sea. Basically, this was then reported as if it were a serious attack by the North Vietnamese all historians agree that it wasn't. Are there any

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other incidences that, that we're getting one story, it's like, if you if you have someone now that you want to trust but the person is coming out, you know, through their actions, untrustworthy? So you find out they lied to you once? It's again, they lied to you, do you keep I mean, do you just you just blindly accept everything he's telling, or you're going to be really skeptical? You follow me? You're not going to conjure up? Okay. I'm not conjuring up some theories, but I'm just asking questions. So another one, I think Pearl Harbor, right. That's one that's still debated, that's the best. Okay, if you want to get into it. Just briefly, briefly, the argument is that Pearl Harbor,

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which turned American opinion around upside down and brought the us into World War Two, prior to Pearl Harbor, 80, plus percent of the American people didn't want to get into World War Two. And then there was a huge Japanese sneak attack out of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii that killed 2000 plus American sailors and gave us these amazing images of ships blowing up that look a lot like 911. And the official version of that is that it was just a Japanese sneak attack. But the almost certain reality which historians maybe, you know, a third to half of the historians probably would admit this, at least privately now, and the rest would be lying.

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If this was this was orchestrated, there was an eight point plan in the Roosevelt administration to force the Japanese to strike the first blow. And Robert Stinnett, in his book day of deceit has shown quite conclusively, in my opinion, that the Americans knew exactly when and where the Japanese were coming, intentionally sent their aircraft carriers out to sea because we needed those they were militarily important, and left a bunch of mothball battleships in the harbor with men on them as a target to be destroyed. So essentially, the American side sacrificed 2000 sailors to rouse American public opinion into into the state of fury that would allow entrance into World War Two. Here's one

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for you. I think this is undebatable it's proven How about the invasion of Iraq based on a lie and it's proven now nobody's gonna debate this right that there was weapons of mass destruction. What about that one? Even President Trump got a lot of mileage with that one, bashing George George W. Bush and knocking him out of the presidential race. Everybody admits that there was no significant w empty now there may have been some old mothball w empty that there actually have actually lied about and covered up but that's a whole different kettle of fish here. And another one the first Iraq war, the Gulf War, first Gulf War was sold to Congress, thanks to this bizarre lie in which public

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relations firm called Hill and Knowlton, which is close to the Bush family, produced the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter and she posed as a nurse nurse Miss Sarah from a Kuwaiti hospital she went on television and in front of Congress and told us that the evil Iraqi soldiers had been scrubbing poor innocent Kuwaiti babies from their incubators in the hospital where she worked in fashion their brains out on the floor. That was the story that enraged American public opinion and sold that war to Congress. And of course, it wasn't really a Kuwaiti nurse.

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was the ambassador's daughter. People started saying wait a minute, isn't that the ambassador's daughter? And so it was exposed? fairly quickly. And yet, nope. They didn't tell everybody that.

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We see a lot of fake things around us you have, you know, fake food. Okay, you have a lot of this thing I talk about a lot. Now, you know, nutrition because you have a lot of fake food. You have a lot of fake stories, people making up conjuring things.

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Botox fake this fake that, you know? And then why is this hard to believe that you know these, because there's also reports that came out not too long ago of the Pentagon, paying over half of I mean billion dollars, to a PR firm, to create fake terrorist videos. Right, I saw that that was one of these dozens and dozens and dozens of false flag stories that we report on over at false flag weekly news. And that's also well documented. That's not one that anybody's arguing didn't happen. So the idea that terrorism is being used clandestinely, and and even the spectacle of terrorism, when maybe there isn't even real terrorism, in some cases, is being used to manipulate public

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opinion, it really should be a no brainer. But because we're just pummeled incessantly with the mainstream version of things, people have been brainwashed into being afraid to even go there. I mean, we I have to admit, in every, you know, bag of apples, you got some rotten ones, you do have some lunatics that, you know, might attribute themselves to being Muslim, you know, but anyone I like who's sincerely practicing Islam and sees what it stands for. These are the things that really agitate aggravates you when you you know really what Islam is about. And then you have to keep defending it against these things that potentially don't have even even if even if all the Muslims

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were doing create drinking alcohol, for instance, or eating pork or being in just Islam cause to be just Islam causes stay away from evil. So you can't blame Islam is right. Is that good example, you probably know if the drunk driver crashes the Mercedes Benz, you can't blame the manufacturer, right for the drunk driver. Right? But now we're going above and beyond and we're saying Hold on, you will many truth seekers out there who are going down these rabbit holes are seeing like, hold on. There's even more here, right? When you start to uncover the history. And we see that in previous times certain things have been uncovered, then this thing half a billion dollars in a PR firm, fake

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videos, terrorists I mean to do what to what's that all about? Well, it's it's even worse than that. I mean, that was one example. But the it's isn't it bizarre that the public relations agency that handles ISIS videos, is run by Rita Katz, the Israeli intelligence agent. It's called site intelligence group si t. And it's a Mossad spin off. So it's, it's basically an Israeli operation. And yet, we're told that essentially, every ISIS video that is released, goes through site intelligence group. Now many of these have been proven fake, you know, over and over and over. In fact, recently, there's we discovered that one of the worst, supposedly Muslim terrorists in the

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whole world, a guy named Austria, Australia witness supposedly operated online, turned out to be none other than Joshua Goldberg, the suspect, rather that federal investigators stopped from carrying out a terror plot here in Kansas City. This was published in The Sydney Morning Herald and they have been tracking this guy online. Joshua Goldberg, a young Jewish man operating out of his basement in Florida, who has been impersonating evil Muslim terrorists and evil white supremacist and people like that all over the world. Just like this new guy in Israel Qaeda that was just arrested and Israeli teenager has faced court accused of targeting Victorian schools with hoax bomb

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and shooting threats. He's alleged to have made more than 2000 calls as part of a worldwide campaign to spread fear and alarm. Michael Qaeda is accused of spreading terror across the globe for 1000s and 1000s, of threats against Jewish community centers, was actually a Jewish Israeli kid, a young man whose uncle was a high up guy in Israeli black operations, intelligence. So we we've seen so many of these cases. And but one of the things that really aggravates me the most, is that they blame this on radical Islam. Supposedly, the more pious, the Muslim, the more dangerous and this is the exact opposite of the truth. Even if we accepted the official story of let's say, 911, then it's

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these guys were not pious, they the people that were told were the 19 hijackers. There may have been some identity theft there, I don't know. But they were, you know, their behavior was the least Islamic that you could ever imagine. And then that same pattern repeats itself over and over and over. In so many of these cases, the patsies were blamed for the supposedly radical Islamic attacks

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People with radically an Islamic lifestyles, their stories, you can't believe that the mastermind of the Paris attacks in November 2015 was in a car that he was smoking, they were all drinking and smoking big joints and they got pulled over as they were fleeing the scene of the crime heading to Belgium, I think it was, and the cops just let them go and wait a month. And so what we're seeing these cases over and over is that these patsies the the supposedly radical Muslims were set up to take the blame for these things are marginal characters. They're kind of lowlife characters, often from Muslim backgrounds, but very rarely serious Muslims. And they get involved with organized

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crime, drug trafficking, the corrupt side of the police establishment, the intelligence establishment, they get manipulated, and they get set up. I think now, we're gonna take a break, but we can get past the ad hominem attacks, many people will start, you know, attacking the person who's wants to bring up questions, but I think now we've proved something dead. Okay, we can't trust this person, whoever is bringing these claims, we thought showing some examples through history. And then we gave the big example of the just outright lie of you know, that bush with the whole weapons of mass destruction, which over 2 million innocent people over a span of 10 years were killed. We

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should be a right have a right to ask some very important questions without being labeled, you know, whatever label I think, is that a fair assumption? Without I wouldn't call it's common sense. And we have some wise some of the top will come to top six why's that have to do with what we're talking about? Because that was a catalyst is evil event that Islam condemns Muslims condemned 911. And we're going to be asking the six why's with foreign special guests here. Dr. Kevin, when we come back, don't go anywhere.

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Back here with Dr. Kevin Barrett,

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the Wise now Are you ready? Why are over 2500 these are not just layman, these are people who specialize in, in architecture engineers, scientists, mathematicians, you know, professionals. Why are they demanding? These are not just people hanging out in the basement, and they're drinking smoking weed, and you're like, Hey, I don't believe this official story. What's going on? We want to know, these are these are people that scientists, you know, professionals who deal with buildings, and you know, explosives are the sciences, the sciences in this area, they are demanding a new investigation. Why is that? That's right. It's 2500 architects and engineers. And then there are a

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lot many, many, many more scientists on top of the 20. Oh, it's actually more than that. And the reason that virtually everybody with any technical expertise, who's looked at what happened in New York on September 11 2001, is a strong skeptic of the official version is that these, that what we were told happened cannot have happen unless the laws of physics were suspended. Now, as Muslims, we will admit that there, there is such a thing as miracles that there that's in our tradition, but the idea that these buildings would be demolished miraculously, with the laws of physics suspended, seems highly unlikely. And so all of these hard nosed architects, engineers, and then these other

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scientists are all saying that, actually, if you sit them down privately, they'll tell you that the official story is not just false, it's preposterous. The next Why is the third building? Why did it just fall at freefall speed? It was one of those that someone who looks at a tape that didn't even didn't even get hit. Know, this was building seven, which was the highest security building in New York. It was the CIA's second biggest headquarters in the world. And it also had the SEC investigations of Enron all sorts of really serious secret type stuff. And that was also the command center the 23rd floor that was supposed to deal with any emergency in New York. So building seven is

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47 storey building on the afternoon of 911. Just boom, just committed suicide. That's the official story just disappeared in six and a half seconds straight into its own footprint. In an absolutely classic controlled demolition, maybe the most beautiful controlled demolition ever. The professionals in this area like Danny giovinco, the leading European demolition professional was in awe at the job that these professionals had done and building seven when he first was shown this, he didn't know what happened on 911. He said, Wow, that's an amazing demolition. If you know these professionals did a great job. They said it was 911. Really, that what happened on 911. And

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remember, most people still haven't seen much of this, they banned footage of building seven coming down from the major American networks for many years for, I believe, seven, eight years, until they finally were allowed to show it in 2007 2008. Because this so called collapse of a building never hit by any planes. It was far away from the towers, there were lots of buildings that barely sustained any damage much closer to the towers than building seven was. And it took the government years and years and years to come up with some ludicrous pretext for what happened to it. So So building seven is in a lot of ways the Achilles heel of 911 there's really essentially nobody on

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Earth that's looked seriously at it that believes that official story. What if someone comes back and says, Look, that's only 2500 architects and engineers compare that to actually how many architects and engineers are out there that aren't? Yes. But why are people coming forward? Well, it's not great for your career to do that. I'm living proof. You know, I was on a career track in the academy, you know, I had the best offer out of my PhD program of anybody in the history of the program, University of California, and I turned it down. Maybe stupidly, I don't know. But I, you know, my career got blown up for talking about this. And basically, everybody knows that's, that's

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your free speech? Ah, there you go. Yeah, Atlanta, Atlanta freedom. Somebody hates our freedoms. I don't think it's the Muslims. But yeah, so these artists, engineers, don't go there. Most of them don't go there. The 2500 are the people who are honest and courageous, and they don't care if it's going to get bring them attacks and career damage. But the others all know if they look at it. The architects and engineers for 911 truth has been going to the architects convention every year, and trying to get them to pass a resolution calling for a real investigation of what happened to building seven. And they're not having a whole lot of luck. I think they got like 7%. In the next

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year, they got 20%. This year, they get went back to 7%. And the reasons for that were partly the they weren't given enough time to make their case. But when they went and talked to people who were voting against it, nobody said that the government is right about building seven, nobody said that. They all say, Oh, well, this is this is going to cause our association problems. This happened a long time ago, let's just let sleeping dogs lie, and so on and so forth. So that's the reason that other professionals don't take it out that has nothing to do with the truth about what happened. Anyone who looks seriously at it knows the truth, which is that it was a controlled demolition.

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That's interesting, if you you ended up getting fired. I mean, you see a lot of islamophobes. And many people will come out and they start really like going at it with the whole free speech and expression. But as soon as you express yourself and you ask questions, you lose your job. Yeah, that's right. It's a huge double standard. There's hypocrisy it is. And it there's a contradiction really in the heart of this sort of Western glorification of freedom, which is that you have the freedom to stick with that ideology. And you can talk about freedom all you want. But if you start really using it to critique the dominant way that power, once you see things then you get in

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trouble, like the Charlie Hebdo thing in France was a classic example. Remember that, where they said these radical Islamic terrorists shot up this cartoon magazine. And that turned out to be another false flag. I have a book about that. Here. It's called we're not Charlie Hebdo.

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and features a lot of very prominent people, including Rabbi Michael Lerner, America's most famous, politically active, liberal Jew, is in the book not necessarily agreeing with a false flag interpretation but agreeing that there's a problem with this whole weight propaganda behind this event. And that Charlie Hebdo thing was all about liberty. Freedom, right? This is the West official ideology. These cartoons should be free to blast theme and to say horrible, disgusting, obscene things. That's that's freedom. Well, as soon as you question what really happened there, Charlie Hebdo. And you should question it because there's video absolute proof that what they claim happened

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couldn't possibly have happened.

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Then you discover the limits of this legality of freedom that they're talking about. And it's it's a very sneaky Orwellian way of, you know, using words to mean the opposite of what they really mean. So unfreedom is really what these people are devoted to, but they want you to lock your mind down yourself. They don't want to have to threaten to throw you in prison, they would rather that you lock up your own brain, if they can train you to lock up your own brain, then they don't have to spend the money and the resources on coming and dragging you off and throwing you in a prison cell. Well, this is a rabbit hole that I hadn't gone down, I looked into because I want to really be

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objective really looking at things you know, from an analytic approach scientific seeing like, okay, not coming to try to prove you know that, okay, this is, you know, set up or whatnot. But then you just can't help. For instance, there's some questions that that many were asking. And I was repeating them, because they were important with the San Bernardino when the witnesses and that was one that I kind of looked into, because I wanted to do a show about it again, usually coming on and saying this has nothing to do with Islam to guys. It's Ramadan. He's supposed to wear what are you doing? You break it down, like when we're about the

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Yeah, he's, he's, he's had he's had a homosexual bar. He's drinking. He's doing everything like these support these 19 guys strip clubs, this and that and everything against Islam. But now, the witness was ever saying that. They saw multiple witnesses witnesses, three white men.

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You're certain that you saw three men. Yeah. But the reason they believe that there are three individuals is because witnesses told police that they saw three men with what appeared to be long rifles, leaving that scene and they're now looking for a black SUV right now, Brooke.

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There was three shooters, tall white men. But over here the official story. Is this a small young lady? That San Bernardino? Yes, San Bernardino, right. Yeah. You know, you went. That's what this book is. So you've got another guy that went to? Yeah, this is this is the it's called Orlando false flag. You tell me about the three white men. Did you hear that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Multiple witnesses. Three, three sets of witnesses all saw that the real shooters in San Bernardino, were that wasn't this couple that they blame with that short, little, you know, five foot tall, 100 pound Muslim lady. It was three large white paramilitaries that did that shooting is Abdel McGee Can you

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describe to me in as much detail as you can? What did the gunman look like?

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I couldn't see your face. He had a black hat on. And

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from my view, all I could see was just a black hat and black long sleeve shirt, possibly gloves on.

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He had black cargo pants on but kinds of zippers on the sides and the big puffy pockets.

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He had a huge assault rifle. And he had extra ammo. He's coming ready for you coming ready for something to reload? I don't know. He had, like magazines.

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I couldn't see what else I saw. It was I just thought three dress exactly the same. You're certain that you saw three men? Yeah. It looks like there's Jim Collins. Yeah, his wife.

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They looked like they were athletic bills. And

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they they appear to be tall. You're certain that you saw three men? Yeah, it looks like they're Jim Collins. Yeah, white.

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They looked like they were athletic bills. And

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they appear to be tall. When we were I was at right here. We'd seen three white men in the military fatigues.

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Taking off. What were they driving? I was like

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SCV Are you think that they might have been the shooter? Yeah. The way they were driving? Yeah.

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Yeah, how many shots Did you hear?

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A lot. It was a lot. It sounded like Like I said, it would sound like a gun range just shots going like crazy. It was a lot a lot of shots. Which

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one was your last Hernandez? Thank you so much. And it just doesn't make sense for for these two, to be able to act like some kind of Bonnie and Clyde or something. It's just ridiculous that it doesn't add up. And that's not just one person that said it three different witnesses also that they were recorded. You can watch them say it on YouTube, and that the same sort of thing has happened elsewhere. For instance, the parish 20 November 2015 attacks, which I also have a book

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in had the same situation where witnesses said that the people who shot up the belly keep nightclub were actually

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large white paramilitaries, maybe they're the same ones in San Bernardino, I don't know, but they didn't match the description of the Muslim patsies at all. So yeah, we see this pattern over and over. And somehow we're we're bullied into not talking about it. Yeah. Wow. Again, if, if this was done by someone who claimed to be Muslim, again, Islam condemns actions like this has nothing to do with Islam. But we're going to stuff further and saying that hold on, you know, the evidence is showing that this is not like the next question of the wise is why the architects and engineers are questioning why was there this? This nanothermite found in a dust samples so they're asking why why

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would there be this what is enamel thermite? Well then oh, thermite is a it's a mixture. It's basically it's a chemical compound with aluminum that it reacts with turns steel into iron melts it so it reacts at very high temperatures. And it could be used to create something that would slice through the steel columns to bring a building down. Because if you want a tall building to come down in any way other than sort of toppling slowly sideways, you know, which would be what would normally happen if you had an earthquake or whatever fire or something if it would, of course, fire can't knock down tall buildings, but if it could, in any case, nanothermite can slice columns and so it

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could be used in sort of cutter charges that would slice columns. And the interesting thing is that the dust samples on 911 show not only this remaining

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Have nanothermite chips, but also iron rich microspheres, which would be what happens when the iron gets kind of blown up by these cutter charges, their steel gets blown into iron. And it's sprayed out as a sort of an aerosol spray. And the little tiny bits of molten iron coalesce as spheres as they go through the air that turns them into spheres. So tons of that I mean, a huge, actually a very puzzling, large component of the World Trade Center desk that was tested by Neil Neil Niels harrit, a chemistry professor at University of Copenhagen. And Stephen Jones, the physics professor from Brigham Young and many others, showed a lot of that stuff in the dust. So it's actually Eddie

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that the real mystery is assuming these samples are authentic, and there's no strong reason to believe that they aren't. The question would be, how can there be that much, especially if the iron rich microspheres, it's as if a tremendous amount of energy was unleashed to melt or melt and sort of explode, both melt and explode simultaneously, very high, shocking, large amount of the steel in the World Trade Center structure, almost more than you would expect if it was just Qatar charges. So even Niels harrit is a little bit puzzled why it's all there. But there's no way to interpret it innocently. So there are really only two possibilities. Either somebody has salted those dust

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samples, which is very unlikely the government has done samples. So if this weren't true, they could just bring out their samples and prove it was not true, but they haven't. So the other explanation is that these buildings were exclusively demolished, which happens to be provable, and many other ways as well. They're also asking another one of the why's is why was 160,100 60,000 tons of concrete, pulverized right? See that the amount of energy available from gravity as a building comes down. It's that you can quantify it and you can figure out how much of it would be used to sort of break up the building as the slab on top falls on the next slab. And what we saw with these Twin

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Towers was a very sizeable proportion of the concrete was blasted out just blasted to smithereens in pyroclastic cloud formation. These are the kinds of sort of hot slurry clouds that come out of volcanoes. And so a tremendous amount of energy went into pulverizing this concrete, a sizable amount of the concrete dust that was found is like talcum powder, sub 100 micron units of concrete. So again, massive amounts of energy unleashed far beyond what you would get from gravity. And if you just look at the pictures of these Twin Towers, collapsing, they're not collapsing, they're exploding, look at it again, boom. You know, you can see these gigantic 100 ton steel, chunks of

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steel framing being blasted upwards and outwards to impale themselves on neighboring buildings. It's happening in perfect symmetry, it's symmetrical. This couldn't possibly happen from any form of natural collapse a building is the only way a building could possibly naturally collapse would be asymmetrically and progressively or slowly bit by bit chunky but this was just it's just gone. Straight down. perfect symmetry, obvious demolition.

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Next one in we're almost at the end of the six was why Why were there witnesses reporting that they heard they saw explosions they saw and heard explosions. Authority quote in the whole lobby collapsed.

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The old building just collapsed. At a secondary explosion. Yes, it was

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definitely secondary.

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Just like the last man out. Did you ever meet the law? Yeah, yeah. William Rodriguez is actually a friend of mine. He You know, he couldn't he came to Islam in Malaysia. And he ended up accepting Islam. Yeah, except with Islam. Mashallah Willie rhetoric is the great hero of nine levels presented in the mainstream media as the biggest hero of 911, who rescued all sorts of people, the guy with the only key he was a janitor in the north tower and he had a key. The other couple of people with keys fled. He was the last guy with a key. He led the firemen up there and they got people out. And he was the last guy out of the North Tower before it came down. He dived under a fire truck, and

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then they had to dig all the rubble the way to pull him out from the fire truck. They got him out just a couple of minutes before the fire fire trucks, tires popped from the heat. So he had a real brush with death. And that led him to and except a slump. But he became you know, joined the 911 truth movement years later after the 911 Commission didn't want to hear what he had to say and then sealed his testimony. But he had he testified that the explode the first explosion happened in the sub basements below the floor floor one. And he was on on the first floor and it's happened before the plane hit. He felt the impact of the plane maybe you know, 710 seconds later, but the first huge

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explosion happened from below blasted up the floor. Many people were very seriously injured and killed.

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killed in that explosion down below. It happened before the plane hit. So that's one of the most important parts of his testimony. And he's a great guy. If you ever have a chance to get him on your show, you've had firemen, you have many officials who are questioning, because they heard these explosion like some they describe it as a controlled demolition. We're just asking questions. Can we ask questions? Well, this is America, right? Yeah, actually, in a way, we're kind of examples of how America is supposed to work is supposed to be freedom, above all freedom of religion, right? I mean, the people that fled to this continent were fleeing religious persecution, in large part. So the

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first amendment that ensures freedom of religion, and freedom of speech stuck in there in the first first amendment, I mean, that's really what this country is about, we're supposed to have the freedom to think on our own, to come to our own conclusions to investigate everything. And if, for example, we come up with a slightly different religious view from the majority as you and I have,

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we are supposed to have the full right to not only do that, and it should be celebrated, right? And we can talk about that. And likewise, when these contested political events happen, we're supposed to be free to hash that out. And, obviously, 911 has led to a huge rollback of freedom, as well as Islamophobia. So it's really an attack on the First Amendment and an attack on the ideas of the founding fathers of the United States. So, you know, Muslims today, we as Muslims, we can be real American patriots as well as Muslim patriots by just standing up for the truth, standing up for the right thing, and walking in the footsteps of the prophets, you know, peace to all of them. The

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prophets have had tough situations, it's been hard for them to tell the truth, they've been persecuted for telling the truth. And yet they stuck by the truth. That's a lot of what prophecy is about. So we're the community with the best preserved revelation from the prophets through the last prophet. Man, we we have to be standing up for the truth that if we're not who will? Absolutely, and if you ask questions, and you get a legit answer, like, for instance, the first question was, Why are there 2500 architect architects and engineers wanting a new official investigation? And then someone comes and says, okay, because these guys lost their job, they have nothing else to do. And

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they're the excetera you get, and then let's say something credible? Or I'm just giving an example? or Why do building Trade Center come down? And then there's a, you know, scientific answer something saying that, oh, at the same time, the planes hit, they were already getting ready to take it down there. We're gonna destroy, you're gonna say, Oh, yeah, so they just simultaneously happen. And it's proven it did it just coincidence, right? I'm just give an example. But that's not the case. Right? Well, yeah, let's see. Yeah, or the thermite? What's that? Oh, there was they were doing some experiments in one of the rooms. And then when it came down, these are just remnants of that. So you

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see that? But have you gotten for these wise? Have people gotten an answer for these? You know that? Yeah, that's a great question. And the, you know, this, I'm not really an expert in science. You know, my father was an engineer, he was see if he learned Germany would have been a PhD engineer. And I grew up dealing with some of the stuff he did. And so I'm not completely, you know, I'm not exactly your average humanities guy, as far as completely ignoring science and engineering. But I am an expert in arguments. That's what we do in the humanities, you know, don't argue sort of like lawyers except, you know, with a broader scope. And what I do is I look at the arguments. I did this

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back when I was a kid with the JFK assassination. Okay, here's one group that's, that says, the President, that is a pruder film shows the present head snapping backwards, he's hit from the front. And they say, Here's Life magazine photos that publish those frames in reverse to make it look like he was shot from the back. So I looked at Okay, what is the other side say? The other side says that up Life magazine just made an innocent mistake in reverse, order the frames, and then life may and then the official story is that this magic bullet did an amazing trajectory to you know, hit hit these two guys and all these different parts of their bodies turning around in midair and all this.

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So essentially, you look at the two sides of the argument, you say, well, which is the better argument and it was obvious in the case of JFK, and I could see that when I was 16 years old. And with 911, it turns out to be the same kind of situation. And for people who want to look at both sides of this argument, see what are the debunkers, quote unquote, say, and whether the advocates of the 911 truth movement say, a really good resource is the film. It's called September 11, the new Pearl Harbor, it's by an Italian guy named masimo mizuko. So if you were to feed that into a search engine, September 11, the new Pearl Harbor, you find this series of films, it's what six hours all

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together, but you can watch it but bit by bit, and he carefully considers what the different sides say in these arguments. And of course, he concludes, as as I have, well, I think the evidence really speaks for itself. You don't have to be an expert in arguments to figure most of us out. Most people who

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argue this. They haven't really looked at the evidence, have they? Exactly, yeah. See, the the whole the way they can get away with this kind of thing is by scaring people away from taking a serious look at the evidence. Yeah, that's amazing. And what at the end

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when you when you look at what this was a catalyst to the mote the motive behind obviously this doesn't benefit Islam, it doesn't benefit at least this is not good for business. Right. But is it good for business on the other end? Well, no kidding. I mean, if you look at Sherlock Holmes didn't have to we don't have to bring him in to this day. I mean, what's the motive? Who gets the benefit? Where's the money go? Well, we even have this document that was issued exactly one year before 911 by project for a New American Century, which is all of the hardline militaristic neoconservatives. And the document was called rebuilding America's defenses. And it basically said, we need to do pre

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emptive invasions of the Middle East, and we need to double our military budget. And to do this, it's not going to happen anytime soon, without and this is like a direct, quote, some cataclysmic and catalyzing event such as a new Pearl Harbor, so that was issued one year almost to the date before 911. And they so we have evidence that this group of people who dominated the Bush administration, when they were yearning for an event, like 911, so they could double their military budget, and they could launch these wars of aggression in the Middle East. And a lot of other people benefit as well, of course, all the contractors, all of the people who benefit from military money,

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which is all plundered from the American taxpayer, they made out like bandits, the people who want the government to be a tyranny that can totally control it citizens minds, and, you know, spy on them and everything those people benefited. A long list of people benefited the people who were are basically committing a very aggressive invasion and occupation, ethnic cleansing of the Holy Land in Palestine, that is the hardline Zionists benefited tremendously, probably more than anyone else. So there's a long list of these folks who benefited from this. And of all the people who didn't benefit or who lost the single biggest group would be the Muslims and especially the Muslim sort of anti

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imperialists and anti Zionist the Muslims who were committed to trying to free the Muslim world, and to develop the Muslim world and to have an autonomous Muslim world. And to do that, we would have to kick out the Riba banks and corporations that dominate that part of the world. And we would have to make sure that the local people in the Muslim world have control of their own resources and benefit from their own resources, right. Those are the so called anti imperialist and anti Zionist Muslims. I'm one of them. And we lost from 911. It's been life has been very hard for us since 911. So it's really obvious who won and who lost. So just from from that, on that basis, I think, and the fact

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that every single major American War, since the Mexican War in the 1840s, has been launched by some kind of big public relations stunt. It doesn't take an expert to see that you're really they should have to prove that it wasn't a false flag, we shouldn't have to prove that it was. Now is that where you just stay away from? because that'd be someone jumping into being a conspiracy theorist, because he's trying to figure out how people conspired, because you have all these departments. So is that where you just ask that you're just asking the questions and, and, and or are there some people? Because some people can't wrap their mind around? How could everyone be in cahoots? Now, every all

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these departments, everyone working together to have this unhatched? Yeah, that's one of the first kinds of you know, skeptical responses we get when we talk about this. Well, how many people could have worked together to do this? And wouldn't somebody have talked? There are a lot of possible answers to that. There are cases where huge numbers of people have worked on secret projects. And nobody's talked a classic example is the Manhattan Project. 10s of 1000s of people had new classified stuff about that, and nobody talked. They built the nuclear bomb without spilling that secret. And Operation Northwoods that was mentioned earlier, a plan to mass murder Americans in a

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fake series of terrorist attacks to launch a war in Cuba in 1962, was kept completely secret from 1962. Until by very bad luck for the bad guys. One document happened to be uncovered in the late 1990s. So there's another example where a very nefarious plot that would have involved huge numbers of people and it was ready to go in a month was kept completely secret for all of those decades. And one could cite many, many other examples, but the short version is yes, they can keep secrets. And the The other thing to point out is that, you know, the people that did 911 probably thought they were doing the right thing. They have a particular view of the world and they see that

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themselves as serving the country, in some cases, another country and other cases. And the world. I mean, there are people out there who very strongly believe that the only way to world peace is a one world government. And that the best way to get a one world government is to strengthen the big central institutions, the banks, corporations and military that are strongest right now, which would be the West and us and West. So by unleashing those forces and trying to go out and grab a world government will be imposing world peace. And that's a wonderful, glorious project. That's one ideology. And then of course, as you know, there are many people who don't like Islam, Islam is

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coming back, it's really going strong in the 80s, and 90s. And there are people who honestly have this anti Islam view they're afraid of, of Islam, for many reasons, and the powerful people have really good reasons to be afraid of it. If Islam takes over no more usury, banking, running the world, the New World Order bankster syndicate will be out of business. So there are a lot of powerful folks who clearly have a good reason to actually think 911 would be a good thing. So of course, those people would do it in secret. And you know, john Cobb, the eminent theologian, wrote about this in the book I edited called 911. In the American Empire. This is I think he's the

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greatest American theologian today, and many, many people would agree with that. And he would he's in that book 911 in American Empire, saying it looks like an inside job, and saying that the people that did it probably thought it was the right thing to do. And here's their argument.

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couple more questions. We're almost out of time, we'll have to curtail it in a few. What Tell me about the what your experience that you had with some of law enforcement. And the when the meeting was over, they had a different respect for you after you kind of went over some things with it. Was it some of the organization, FBI or whatnot? Well, can you talk about that? Oh, yeah, I was I was wondering about which one you meant. Because I've you know, I've run into interesting conversations with like Homeland Security, and, you know, ins and those people like I've flown, I've been to Iran four times now, in the last three years. And so I always have, I was wondering what my greeting will

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be like when I get back. But the one you're talking about was when I was flying home from New York, I'd done a talk at a 911 truth anniversary event on the anniversary of timber 911. Number 11. So I was flying back home. And I was I was dozing at the gate, I felt a tap on my shoulder and looked up. And there were three FBI agents flashing their badges, and said, Mr. Barrett, would you come with us, we just have a few questions for you. Oh, what's this about? So they dragged me off to an interrogation room. And on the way the guy says, I've seen you on Fox News, you know, okay. Sits me down and starts out, pulls out a notebook and says, Is this your notebook? And I said, Yeah, that's

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my notebook. I think I left that on the plane flying into New York, because why is there Arabic in it? And I said, Well, I grabbed that notebook to write my speech on the plane. But I got into a good conversation with the guy next to me and I forgot the notebook. It's my old Arabic notebook. I learned Arabic, you know, years ago, just because you're reading some of the Arabic so I had to read some Arabic to him. And it was actually lousy Arabic, because it was my second year, I was trying to write an essay, a second year Arabic student writing an essay. Anyway, so long story short, this guy suddenly barks at me, are you a terrorist? I said, No, I'm trying to help you guys catch the real

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terrorists. And then they just relax. And well, what do you think happened on 911, they all get out their pens and notebooks. And so I gave them a similar, you know, spiel that I've just given you. They wrote it all down very seriously, didn't look like they disagreed at all. And then when I left, the guys shook my hand in a very friendly way. And Wish me good luck getting my job back. So my take on that was that these new york based FBI agents know pretty well, that what I'm saying isn't some crazy on American conspiracy theory, it's pretty much in line with the likely facts of the case. What's your goal? At the end? What would you like to see happen? Well, in the best of all possible

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worlds, some, you know, by Allah, some, some high level insider comes forward or some, you know, something happens that forces this issue, he forces the case open.

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And I think that that process could really radically change things for the better. I think, a Truth and Reconciliation Commission a bit like what happened in South Africa after the apartheid era, would be one way to go and probably a good way, get, you know, trade truth. If you give us truth, we'll give you leniency or even amnesty. Get that truth out. And I think that that would it would end the current era of extreme Western and Zionist, imperialist attacks on the World. We're looking at it right now. We're facing world war three with Russia, with China with North Korea, not to mention what's going on in Syria and the Middle East. And all of that is really, it's it's

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aggression coming out of our side here, you know, and so we're sitting here in

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Chicago, USA, it's our responsibility to try to get our side to toned down before we blow up the world. And what better way to do that than to force them to admit to the American people and the people of the world, that 911 was actually wasn't done by radical evil, Muslim evildoers. It was done by the folks who wanted to launch this aggressive war on the world. And the result of this, I think, would be the United States would turn towards peace, we would take that money that we're throwing away in the military for no good purpose right now, and use it to rebuild our infrastructure, and to save the environment solve the world's environmental problems. And I think

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that the rest of the world is really ready for a multipolar peaceful world, and would be very happy if this happened. And we go along with it. And then I think this would last but not least, also force, a reasonable settlement to the situation in occupied Palestine. So I think that we would have innumerable benefits. And of course, the deen of Islam would get a whole new look a whole fresh perspective, people would say, wow, this is, this is not what we were told, tell us about Islam, and your audience would skyrocket.

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fella, one more, one more, you know, someone who's genuine, sincere, and they're looking to really find out what the purpose of life is like you were, and they come to evaluate all the different religions. And they like, you know, the concept in Islam of God that you only worship the Creator, not the creation, the belief in Jesus is a mighty messenger, and doing good deeds and preparing for the Day of Judgment by being the best neighbor, you can be by being the best human being you can be. And this, this pure monotheism, that's there. But now there's this

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propaganda out there, the hate machine is fueled, I think over a quarter of a million dollar annual business bashing Exxon, and someone's affected with this whole thing of radical Islam, radical Muslims, you know, Islam is the enemy and to be without going into a whole spiel of all of the, you know, the history, we went into how to you in a short, you don't get to spend as much time with this person? How do you get them to drop a seat to think beyond what they've been programmed to the whole Hollywood, you know, movie that's been created for them? And they bite on it? How do you get them out of that? Well, of course, it depends who you're talking to, you know, the first, the first and

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most important thing is to see where you're talking to, and kind of communicate on their level. But right now, I'm stuck talking to a bunch of conspiracy theorists, quote, unquote, because, you know, I've gone down these rabbit holes. And so and I'm writing interesting stuff. So people are reading my stuff and listening to my radio broadcasts. And so they're the people I talked to where people are more or less aware of these kinds of political issues. But often, you know, they don't know much about Islam or their, you know, their spiritual side is different. So, for those people, I do try to emphasize the, the spiritual depth of Islam, Maybe it has something to do with the fact that in

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Islam, we have

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the first two most sort of tangible names of God that really have a meaning, you know, AR Rahman AR Rahim. And what that comes from the root for womb, and and cut translated as, as the, you know, Compassionate, The Merciful, whatever the all compassionate, the All Merciful, it has to do with the love, the loving mercy and loving compassion. That is the kind of love a mother feels for her children. This is really interesting. So our vision of God actually is not the masculine vision of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, which is a kind of an all male reproduction fantasy. It's very mass, it's one side, and it's missing another side of the Divine. So I talk about this

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kind of thing to make people sort of rethink because there are a lot of people out there now who realized that the Trinity like hat, most of the Christians, I mean, don't get the Trinity. Most of the Christians I meet are, especially the more sort of high end, you know, educated people see that there is this kind of, you know, religion has been like to male, whatever macho, you know, patriarchal, they say, well, maybe that's partly because of this God, the Father metaphor, you know, maybe that's not maybe Islam is right, maybe that's not the right metaphor. So this is the sort of thing I talked about to my audience. But if I were just sitting down sort of an ordinary person, I

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would hope that just by, you know, trying to be a good example, a good neighbor, an honest person speaking the truth, as I see it, friendly and relatively non judgmental, you know, I, I don't want to be judging on my non Muslim neighbors and friends too much for them some of their things that they would like to see them ultimately change. But just just actually, you know, be having friendly relations with non Muslims and and setting a good example, that's how Islam spreads so fast across so much of the world was by people being pious and decent and honorable and honest merchants. That's, that's ultimately the bottom line thing we have to do is to change ourselves. We can't

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change the world until we change

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ourselves. Yeah, that's the Islam that people don't get to hear about. They don't get to see or read about and follow the negative stereotypes propagandists out there. How can people get a hold of you? They want to invite you to a university to give a talk to read some of your stuff, how can they get in contact with you? Well, they can find me through my website, which is truth. jihad.com remember that the best jihad is a word of truth flung in the face of a tyrant. So that's my idea we shouldn't have time for bloodshed is over. The weapons are too big and nasty. You can't fight wars according to Islamic rules very well anymore. So we need to wage Jihad of the tongue. Speak the truth, speak

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truth to power. So that's, that's the truth Jihad concept. The website is truth, jihad, calm. That's where people can get in contact with you all your reading material. And yeah, you can pretty much find everything for that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Eddie. Thank you very much. Now remember this important point. If all the Muslims were drinking alcohol, doing drugs, going to nightclubs, fornicating. Gambling, would that mean Islam allowed it? No. Because Islam is clear on the issue. The same way. If a Muslim or a group of Muslims brings harm to an innocent human being,

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or human beings, Islam condemns it, we condemn it. And Muslims, as you know, by now have become professional condemned.

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evil acts like 911, which was a catalyst for the war on Islam that doesn't have any justification in Islam, but has brought much havoc and harm to Muslims in Islam. Were the ones suffering the most from it. But now critical thinkers, scientists, architects engineers are asking the six why questions like what we discussed on the show and more coming out

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after investigating the issue, but why is their right to free speech, which is not a hate filled bigoted speech? Like what many of the islamophobes use that incites violence in many cases, but as their critical questions being asked, and people ask them like Dr. Kevin are fired and can't get a job because they're being censored is that free speech?

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Hate while hateful speech which in many cases, like I said, incites violence is okay but critical questions like the six questions that we covered today the why questions you lose your job. Is that right? Let's talk about it. Respectfully. Leave your thoughts in the comments below. And don't forget to subscribe. much peace and love sometimes