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Want to guess?

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respected elders?

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My brothers and sisters

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ladies and gentlemen

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Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

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loyal Monica, mira peace, divine blessings and benevolence of God Almighty be with each and every one of us.

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I wish to extend

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a very cordial Welcome

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to each and every one of you

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to this, the Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Canada.

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we start the symposium

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we will ask

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our chorus Roger Dean

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to recite the portion of the Quran the book of guidance. So we can invoke the blessings of God Almighty on this program Karissa.

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mommy ob qufu

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Love me.

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Thank you very much carisa

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Ladies and gentlemen, would you join with me in welcoming the Consul General of South Africa. Mr. Patrick Evans.

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Thank you very much.

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Good evening, everyone.

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very honored to be with you here this evening to be able to share this very special occasion with you.

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I'm particularly honored to be here to meet with and to help welcome you to Toronto to one of the great sons of South Africa. Shake I'm a DD

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you will all have no have heard that we have recently found pieces of Africa, peace amongst all of our people.

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This piece was not found easily.

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But the first steps on the road to finding this piece

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were taken when we began communicating with one another when we began speaking to one another, as equals,

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in speaking to one another.

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And I'm talking here about as amongst people who are as different from one another, as it is possible for people in the world to be different from one another. In talking to one another.

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We discovered understanding for each other,

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love for each other.

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And in that love and understanding we found peace in our country.

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And my God, give us this peace forever.

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I hope that in listening to these two great men this evening,

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that there will be greater understanding between the two great religions of the world that there will be greater understanding and peace in all the world amongst all the people.

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I'm very honored to be here this evening to be able to share in this Thank you very much.

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Thank you Mr. Evans. Ladies and gentlemen.

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My name is Usman Khan

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and I will be your moderator for this evening.

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As such,

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My task is to ensure the fair and proper conduct

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of this proceedings

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and being a Muslim.

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This enhances my position,

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position of impartiality

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and to assist in this regard.

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I'll expect

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all to proceed with jus decorum.

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I lay the cooperation from you the audience

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to ensure

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the success of this symposium.

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It gives me great pleasure at this point.

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To give a Be brief background and biography

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of firstly

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Bishop general Wakefield,

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born Bishop, General Wesley, H. Wakefield, and Evangelists who hails from British Columbia.

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He was instrumental

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in reorganizing

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the whole mission,

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which in 1946, became the Bible holiness movement.

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This movement adheres to the common

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evangelical faith in the Bible,

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the diversity and the Atonement of Christ.

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It stresses a personal experience of the salvation for the repentant sinner.

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Membership involves a life of Christian love,

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and evangelistic and social activism.

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Members are required to totally abstain from liquor and tobacco

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And remarriage are forbidden.

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It is internationally linked

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to famine relief,

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civil rights action,

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environment protection

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and anti nuclear ism.

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The movement sponsors a permanent committee on religious freedom and an active promotion of Christian racial equality.

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It ministers to 89 countries in 42 languages through literature, radio and audio cassettes.

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It was in this movement

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that he was appointed Bishop General, ladies and gentlemen, a warm welcome for Bishop general Wakefield.

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Shake off my dad.

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He was

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from humble upbringings

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with informal education

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he are an avid passion for reading

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was infused with him the zeal and enthusiasm

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to debate highly qualified theologists.

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He champion the cause of Islam,

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and have won the hearts of 1000s of millions of Muslims throughout the world.

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As a fitting tribute

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to his monumental achievement.

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He was awarded the King Faisal international award

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indeed a prestigious recognition

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as an advocate of global peace.

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He has won the hearts of many throughout the world's

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array to his accomplishments.

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He has published and distributed over 20 books to millions of people at no charge.

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He is the director.

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He is the director of international propagation center international in Durban, South Africa. Ladies and gentlemen, would you join with me with a warm welcome for Sheikh Ahmed deedat.

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My brothers and sisters

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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I would outline to you

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the debate the symposium proper the format of which is

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the first person

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to address you

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will have 15 minutes.

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The second speaker

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will then have 60 minutes.

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The first speaker again

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will have the final 10 minutes

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and that

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will be the time allotted to them

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for their discussions.

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You the audience at the end of this time period

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will be given a chance to ask questions

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which will be answered by the two speakers.

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These questions

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will be

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Given from the microphones provided on the aisles for you, therefore microphones, one in the upper aisle on the right and one in the upper Island, the left and the two in the center aisles.

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You will be asked the line in single files

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and to make sure that your question your questions are addressed in a polite and proper manner and directed to the respective speakers.

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We shall alternate

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with the speaker's one question for Mr. deedat one question for Mr. Wakefield

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and so on and so forth.

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In keeping with a fair and proper conduct of this proceeding,

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we will have 00 tolerance

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and we will expect your cooperation

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for if you get carried away, then in fact you will be carried away

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and not by the Muslims but by both the Muslims and the Christians, we will take you away and carry you away from the premises. Ladies and gentlemen,

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I would like very much to urge you

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to have no adverse partisan activities.

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I expect

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that you will conduct yourself with self restraint.

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That, in short, is the format

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at the end

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of the first speaker, a lot of time.

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As a matter of fact, before the end of the is allotted time, five minutes before

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I will pass a slip of paper to him to remind him of his time of the five minutes that is left for his allotted time.

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I will do that with both speakers.

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However, the last speaker who gets 10 minutes,

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I will give him a reminder for his last two minutes.

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Brothers and sisters,

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ladies and gentlemen.

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It is

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with a great sense of appreciation

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for both of these speakers,

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that I compliment them and congratulate them

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for being of different religious beliefs.

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They have both decided to share a common podium

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and to discuss their beliefs in the presence of all of us that is indeed commendable.

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Bishop general awake feel

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a sense of

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perfect, gentlemanly gesture

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has given preference to shake up my dad

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being a senior to him

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and having traveled the farthest distance

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to be given the opportunity and the privilege

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of starting the debate.

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I will ask Sheikh Ahmed deedat to reply to this.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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The first speaker

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will be shake off my deedat

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Mr. Moderator,

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auspicious guests, my dear brothers and sisters.

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I salute you the traditional salutation of the prophets of God

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the salutations

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Moses, Jesus and Muhammad

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in their words, I say to you, as salaam alaikum.

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But Mr. Moderator, I would like you to

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refrain from counting the minutes, just two minutes I want was not a part of the debate or the symposium, two minutes, I want you to allow me, I have some gifts which I have brought from South Africa.

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For the bishop.

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This book here, this holy book, the Holy Quran, text translation and commentary.

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When we Muslims, we visit our brothers, we do not go empty handed. So I would like to present Bishop Wakefield with this book

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with the South African gold,

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as you see South African gold, and I hope he will accept it in the spirit in which it is being given to him.

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I brought with me an extra copy from our own ambassador from South Africa. This new South Africa of ours makes me very happy to see him sitting with me here to give me moral support. And so I want to present to him the same Quran. Also with South African gold.

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There's only one little suggestion with these books. These are formidable books. They are encyclopedias

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with the tactician, turn the microphone replace, thank you

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these are formidable books, and encyclopedias in themselves. And it is not easy for person to read through it. So there is a solution. At the back of these volumes, there is a very comprehensive index. And I suggest to both of you my brother's, that you browse through the index, and the circuits that tickle you look at those subjects, it will make interesting reading.

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Now, Mr. Moderator, you may start counting the minutes.

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I have been very, very fortunate

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that Bishop Wakefield

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has made available for me, these beautiful books, while I was still in South Africa.

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There's one here, popular Christianity by Mrs. Christine booth. She was the wife of the founder of the Salvation Army.

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She has written this book, I read through it.

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Then these are the books written by the bishop who serve the need of another reformation.

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The Bible bases of Christian security or by the bishop, and this one here, Bible doctrine.

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And since he had

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the courtesy, and the generosity of sending these books to me, I made it my duty to read.

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And there are so many things which he says with which I kind of disagree, especially the ethical and moral side of whatever he says, You can't help agree with a man.

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But theologically, we are at variance

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and reading book,

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The foundation

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of Christianity,

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the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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atonement, the terrorists atonement, that Christ died for the sins.

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on page eight, he reproduces the apostles creed, what the Christians are supposed to be believing in.

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One section of it says that this Jesus was crucified, dead and buried. He descended into hell.

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This is part of the apostles creed, as written in the book, that he was crucified, he was dead, and he was buried in the cemetery to Hell

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is a gentleman, he has descended into hell. Now, we will since, you know we are not heading back with prediction is that we can,

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we can increase, but for Jesus willing to help you signals is only okay. But now, this is what the apostles is. And as I proceed further,

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on page 40 of his book

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chapter four, the atonement. Under the sermon hidden, the bishop says, the necessity of the atonement, why it is necessary.

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And in order to this is all the perfection of the gods that require a punishment for disobedience.

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Failure to be exact the punishment would be to repeal the law and uphold evil, it would render God a liar.

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In other words, God must punish the wicked, or an innocent party, somebody must be punished, if he does not punish you, God does not punish. He lets you off scot free, there is a it would render God a liar.

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And in trying to prove that this is the theology of Christian, then he quotes that the necessity of the atonement is clearly thought in the world, meaning the Word of God. And he does biblical references. Among them is Ezekiel, chapter 18, verse four,

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where the Christian, every Christian church, or denomination,

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they have at the back of the mind, this phrase, the soul, that sinner, if I die,

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this is the foundation of sanity, the justification for God Almighty coming down to earth, as a man, and having himself crucified for the sins of mankind, the so that it shall die.

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Ezekiel, chapter 18, verse 40. So let me have a look at it. Let me read it. And I found this Ezekiel chapter at verse four, as it was referred to, and I'm really into

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the hole, all the souls are mine, say the law,

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as the soul of the father is mine. So also this soul of the Sun is mine, saith the Lord, the soul that sinneth it shall die.

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This is the quotation from Ezekiel chapter 18, verse four.

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And I take Mr. Moderator, my sister's, that we take this as read, you know, when you discuss something in the minutes, your meetings, you said this blue x is taken as read, and then we can go into corrections and explanations, but is this taken as read? Will you all agree, Bishop,

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what I read, will everybody agree that we take that verse, as read, we accepted that this is in the Bible?

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Am I telling you

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that this was very short was, this verse is only 27 words? 27 words. To that 37 words, I added another 930 300% I added to that verse. And I can tell you, no Christian can take the job.

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Amazing. If it was the Quran, any one word that the person adds or delete, we find the connection.

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Immediately. I added three and a third percent

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was the one third. I added nine words to the petition and nobody catches the job.

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And I'm offering

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I'm offering anybody who can even try to do half a dozen. Okay, tonight, half a dozen of those added words which I interpolated, I interpolated into the petition.

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This 100 Canadian dollars is yours.

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Come come. Anybody. You can tell me I added nine words. I don't want you to give me all nine. Just in half a dozen and I give you this $100 once before I lost $100

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I don't know if you remember

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the same book sale because a key, so I had become

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really see it and see, I want to offer another $100. anybody, anybody wants to take it?

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Nine? Yes, man.

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I'm reading

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this what are the words that I've added? What I have interpolated in the verse.

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Mind words I have added interpolated in, in this verse,

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which are not there, which are not in the Bible, but I added them. Just to show us look, this is how our people, you know, our fellow brothers, fellow Christians, they make a religion out of a phrase, the soul that's electric shall die. But they won't know the whole words. This is only a phrase. In other words, this soul that sinneth it shall die. seven words, seven words, out of 27. But now I added nine years to that.

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This $100 is a great

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anybody, anybody can say, Look, Mr. D, that this word is not supposed to be there. You added this, you added this letter that is not supposed to be the $100 for

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No, I don't think there's any takers.

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You see, this is what happens.

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I have been listening to lectures, I've been reading books.

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And everybody goes this phrase, the soul that sinneth shall die.

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And from that the whole of Christianity is created on the basis of this phrase.

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From here, the Christian jumps 500 years in history, from Ezekiel to Paul.

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He just 500 years he doesn't complete the verse. He doesn't read the whole verse, no Christian, no Christian, and have come across in the 40 years of experience. ever know the whole verse, He only knows the soul that sinneth shall die.

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From that he jumps to the book of Romans, in the New Testament, from the Old Testament, he's on 500 days into the New Testament, the book of Romans, chapter three, verse 23, where Paul says, All have sinned,

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and fallen short of the glory of God All have sinned in everybody in the sinner, asset, everybody goes to hell.

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So now somebody must come and die for his sins. So who can be better than God Himself, coming down as man and getting himself crucified? This is the foundation of the whole of Christianity. But now I'm suggesting to you, by listeners,

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that after the phrase, the soul that's in addition, die, it continues. But

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this, everybody was saying, and everybody goes to hell. Whether you label yourself as a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, anybody, unless you Christ died for your sins, you believe that He died for the sins, you all go to hell, all have sin, or all means all new exception.

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But amazing thing, the voice continues backed with a bat. You know what that means? Unless, nevertheless, however,

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contrary to that, God as a minister, you still you perish, you'll be punished back. But

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if a man BJ asked if you actually asked, and do that, which is lawful and right, and on and on and on in one breath, up to verse nine, it says, he had walked in my statues and have kept my juglans to deal truly, he's just, he shall surely live. He shall not die, say the Lord.

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There is a way in the verse itself.

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The editor is self explanatory that God says, Look, if you do wrong, you'll be punished. But, but say worse is a continuation. But if you do this and do that, don't commit adultery, don't worship idols. Just two people don't usually interest don't take interest. Or in that case, you will learn you will not die. Physically everybody dies, the similar in the same meaning dying in the sight of God means being destroyed spiritually, spiritually, you will not perish.

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Now, this is

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the soul that sinneth he shall die.

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The bishop reproduced this in this book offers the Bible basis of Christian security. PAGE 36. He quotes again, again, he quotes the same phrase, what he had quoted

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In the Bible doctrine, he quotes it on page 36.

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He says,

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If unconditional security is true, then it follows that with the sinner, the soul sins, but whether that slider, the flesh sins, even though the Bible places responsibility with the soul, insane, the soul that sinneth it shall die. Ezekiel chapter 18, verse 20, it was 18 for the same thing as a motif is reproduced. It is being reproduced in verse 20, where it ends with four ends with a soul that signature die, was 20 begins with that expression, to expound to further further elaboration of this public.

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And in verse 20, it says,

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the soul that sinneth it shall die.

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And Ezekiel didn't put a full stop. He didn't know as a key or Moses, they didn't know about commas, commas, and full stop and colons and semicolons and quotes.

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Moses didn't know anything about it. And Ezekiel,

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and Jeremiah, none of these people knew about karma, full stop semi colon, colon, dash, quotation, they do nothing about it

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at all in 20, so that scenario,

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doesn't stop there is the the Son shall not be the iniquity of the Father.

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The Son shall not be the iniquity of the Father, Father Adam sin, He made a mistake for which he was punished. His children are not responsible for what father Adam did. Neither shall the Father, the integrator son. In other words, Adams children today in America, I'm told there are 25 million SATA miles because the case God will not question

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Adam is exempt from such reproaches board will vote as as your father Adam at the forbidden fruit, so you'd be punished for it. He won't ask him. Why did you allow him to eat because you were not consulted? Nobody was consulted. So God will not ask you and now with the Ask Adam, about his children today when we look at your children the rubbish was in animals was the beasts of the field what the bees don't do your children are doing God will not question Adam. Neither shall the father be the integral person. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, meaning the good thing the good man does, he will get its fruits, its rewards, its benefits, and the wickedness of the

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wicked shall be upon him. If the wicked man does wicked things, he just punishment for it.

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But if the wicked, the salvation, how do you get salvation? One thing is sin is not inherited. In this verse, if it is a book of God, if this is the word of God, God is telling you in the clear language, the sin is not inherited.

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You don't pay for your father Adam sins, nor will he pay for your sins and the way of salvation. He says, if this is the word of God, Ezekiel, chapter 18, verse 26, if the wicked will turn means repent, come back from all the sins that he has committed, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely he shall not die. You say that is Islam.

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It's there in the Bible, who said that is Islam This is what Islam teaches.

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But the Christian somehow is programmed to jump from Ezekiel with a phrase in the phrase and around the phrase he creates a religion to justify the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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Now, let us examine the case.

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The case itself.

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The Holy Quran tells us

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as the current red wine market a new one masala they didn't kill him, Jesus. They didn't kill him, nor did they crucify him while Athens, but it was made to appear to them so that is what they thought they had done. When Allah Xena Salah foofy he left me shocked him and those who dispute about these things are full of doubts mulumba him and they have no certain knowledge electabuzz they only follow conjecture. This was Juan Mata Lu yochanan. For a surety they kill him not

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most emphatic, most dogmatic statement that one can make and the only one who can make such statements is God Himself. Because he knows what is involved what is true and what is not.

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So the Quran says

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In the democracy find

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the question on the other hand, he says, look, we have a written record.

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How can I man 1000 years in pain from the happening and six to 600 years in time and 1000 miles away in distance? How can he tell you what happened in Jerusalem some 600 years before? Muslim reasons that this is God Almighty inspiring Muhammad, to say the things that Muhammad is made to say, and to have it recorded the way it is.

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The Christian says, I do not believe in the Quran.

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If we had believed in the Quran, we will be today, 2 million Muslims. The Christians and the Muslim put together both believing in Jesus, we both believe in Jesus, we would have to get 2 billion people who believe in Jesus and Muhammad and all that would have happened if Christians believe in the Quran, Islamic sins, we don't believe in the Quran.

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We go by what is given to us in our Bible.

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So the Holy Quran tells us

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what are you and they say,

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linear? Jelena a lemon kana Buddha Masada that you Muslims will never never enter agenda. There is no heaven for you. There is no salvation for you. Unless you become a Jew, or unless you become a Christian.

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In answer to that, God Almighty Jesus in the Quran setting Amani home that this is the wishful thinking vain desires hallucination with a backwash. Barbara don't get back

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God Almighty tells us fools tell them say say tell them how to

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produce your proof

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income for the game. If you are speaking the truth, let us have a look at your goodhand your record. And the Christians are produced the Bible in 2000 different languages

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2000 different languages. This is what my Bibles and my Bible says this, my Bible says that my Bible says my Bible says that

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Allah is commanding the Muslim to demand proof.

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It presupposes that when proof is produced, you'll be able to analyze it and it makes no sense you ask us your certificate

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where is the identity? Where is your passport, the passport controller. So, in other words, the passport control knows that what you want to produce what does a passport look like? And this is genuine or not is to be able to analyze it. Similarly, the Muslim is expected to analyze this book, how to produce your bullhorn your proof in the game.

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So the Christians has produced this group. This is you see, we are told in the Gospel of Matthew, in the Gospel of Mark in the Gospel of Luke, the Gospel of St. JOHN that Christ died, and he was resurrected after three days.

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This is the book.

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This is the author as King James Version of the Bible printed by the Christian author as King James Version of the Bible. This is what they call the red letter Bible, Red Letter Bible, this one red letter Bible, meaning everything that Jesus spoke is great in this book.

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Am I disagree with you? That only 10% of the 27 books of the New Testament are in read only 10% mean 90% of black men, not one word of Jesus, not even a threat is to be found in this 90% of the Bible.

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With regards to the Gospels, we Muslims we say that you see, they are as the Christians claim 20 they have discovered 24,000 different manuscripts of the Bible, when the 4000

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manuscripts of the New Testament they had at their disposal.

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But they also confess that no two identical

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Can you imagine 24,000 books to support your book, but no two are identical. No two are the 24,000 identical. They're all different. 24,000 all different groups. Amazing, amazing situation.

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Then we are killing the Christian. That's a look.

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The books as you put them as you write about them as you address them, as you describe them. You say the Gospel according to St. Matthew is written here. Bishop, Bishop, Bishop said is written in the Bible, my Bible, the Gospel according to St. Matthew, the Gospel according to St. Mark the Gospel according to St. Luke, the Gospel according to St. JOHN,

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in the Bible.

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Every Bible has that expression according to according to according to according to I'm asking why according to

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Why according to you know what?

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Because Matthew,

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Matthew Simon's make on those manuscripts, Mark Maldon signs his name Luke boomslang. And a nobody autographed it Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, they didn't sign they didn't autograph and they didn't even put a thumbprint. So this is

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such a document in any court of law.

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And in the most primitive country, any country in the world, such a document we want to present to prove your case will be thrown out of court in two minutes. in two minutes, they throw your claim out, this will of your father is a sign is attested. Is it sign? Blue? witnesses? We said no.

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Don't waste our time, the court will throw it out, you know that these 24,000 bucks, not a single one of them is that there's no signatures anyway.

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So I said in any court of law, in any civilized country in the world, this evidence about the death and resurrection of Jesus would be thrown out in two minutes.

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But where is the fun? Let's say we did just as we did just that, I closed my case, Bishop I closed my case, because this document, Matthew, Mark Luke, and according to according to according to according to means he they didn't sign it. They didn't write it, it is assumed people assume that they wrote it. There is internal evidence to prove that they did. But we have no time to go into that. We have no time to go into that debate

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in any court of law to be thrown out.

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But I said Where is the fun as a dismiss the meeting dismissed, finish, go home.

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Look, I put my case that in a court of law, this thing, this evidence is not acceptable. And I know you wouldn't be satisfied, you know, you took all the trouble to come to this call. I don't know what what sacrifices were made. And the bishop has come all the way from Vancouver is not fair. It's not fair. It's not fair.

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To be implemented, to be courteous. Let us now

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examine what

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the Christians are telling us.

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That on the day of the crucifixion

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300 prophecies

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300 prophecies of the Old Testament will fulfill in one day.

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then what happened the same 300 of the things that were said in the Old Testament, how's things going to happen? This is gonna happen that everything was fulfilled 300 prophecies fulfilled in one day.

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And what I'm saying

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that the greatest anomaly something explicable that the prophecy made by Jesus Himself is not fulfilled.

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You are bringing from the Old Testament 300 prophecies to prove your case, but Jesus Himself what he said, that itself is not fulfilled.

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I mean, you, you have something dragging from the Old Testament 300 different prophecies to prove your case, but the what Jesus said that itself is not fulfilled.

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So what you're referring to, as you see, the Jews came to Jesus again and again. They came with poses and riddles, they're always trying to catch him out, make a mockery of him, make fun of him. Now they come to him. In Matthew, chapter 12, verses 3839 40. They come to him. They say, Jamar moody one, Iota submaster, we would have assigned of the we want you to choose a miracle, to convince us that you are the man we are waiting for.

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If you are the man of God, then do something that we can do when something's supernatural, like walking, walking in the water, flying in the air, like a bird can fly like a bird or give life back to the dead. Do something man that we can do then we can acknowledge that you are correct. You are the man appointed by God. Sign sign means a miracle. We would have a sign of the

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Jamar limit

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for a job Allah Allah Allah. But he answered and said unto them, Gilan

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is an evil and adulterous generation, an evil and adulterous generation secret after assigning

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Allah to Allah why, but no, no signs of eternity in law is a human. Then who kumbhakarna Guna No.

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ferrata Yamin was the last.

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But the sign of the prophet Jonah for his tuna was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of Man before he

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himself be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. What happened to Jonah? The miracle of Jonah is my miracle.

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He's putting all his eggs in one basket.

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Either he proves his case, or is proved as an imposter. The only salary thing you only sign

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is the miracle of Jonah. He doesn't say you know, blind Martinus you know that human bleeding with issues bleeding continuously he touched on Shiva dude. You know, I'd rather the victory from his very roots, you know, those 2000 pigs I destroyed. You know, I still the sperm moving over time. I hate the blind and the Deaf in the leopard, nothing of the kind. The only sign only miracle I'm going to give you is the miracle of Jonah. And I'm asking the Christians, what was the sign?

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The sign of Jonah? What was that sign?

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me see. People preach sermons, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy, saga of 24 hours a day I see on your TVs, you know that preaching away preaching the way. But if you ask them, what was that sign that Jesus spoke about the sign of Jonah, what was the sign? This is me, I have not come across a single Christian

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in my life yet, who can tell me what the sign was.

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I said, you see, if you want to know the sign of Jonah, you have to go to the book of Jonah. There's a book in the Bible called the book of Jonah. But it's a very difficult book to find.

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You know why? Book of Jonah is only one page in this 1000 pages is one page, it is very hard to find that one page, you're gonna miss it and you will miss it again and, again. One case, for short chapters, front and back. It won't take you two minutes to read.

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But I'm suggesting that you don't have to go to the book of Jonah. Every person seems to have heard the story of Jonah, Jonah and the way the Hindu child knows the Christian knows the Jew knows the Muslim knows, everybody seems to know about Jonah and the way

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any of you don't know heard about john and the way anybody put up your hand. You never heard about Jonah in the way. There's one man there. You ask me but he'll tell you what this is all about.

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Ask your neighbor, if you don't know. Ask your neighbor. Don't who knows who didn't ask him. What was

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Jonah, Jonah, according to the book of Jonah, was sent to the ninevites a city called Minerva, the city of 100,000 people.

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Some 3000 years ago, a city of 100,000 people, God Almighty kills Jonah, go to Nineveh and warn the people that they must repent in sackcloth and ashes, meaning humbled themselves before the law humbled themselves.

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is despondent, said these materialistic people, like the time of Jesus, Jesus telling them a wicked and adulterous generation, the wicked and adulterous generation of the time of Jonah.

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He said, Look, if I go and talk to them, they'll make a mockery of me. They'll make fun of me. No sense in talking to such people. So instead of going to Minerva, he goes to Java, modern Java, Java, and he takes a boat, and he's running away to a place called Tarshish.

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At Sea, there is a strong

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and according to the superstitions of these people, anybody who runs away from his masters command, runs away from his duty

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to be such as from superstition. So they began to question who can be responsible?

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Because this farm is no subsidy. So Jonah realizes that he's the greedy man.

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He is running away from his duty, God told him to go to minima, and he's going to chop

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is going to trash. So he's guilty.

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And as a soldier of God, as a prophet of God as the soldier of God, and he had no right to do these presumptions on his own. So he volunteers his look and the guilty man, what is after my blood? He wants to kill me in the process of missing the boat to kill me but you innocent people will die. Rather you take me and you throw me all right for you, because God is after my blood. He's not interested in you innocent people. They say No, man, you are such a good man. Such a holy man, since we saw you in that boat on the ship. You're ever prayerful, maybe had the the rosary, saying Allah Subhana Allah Subhan Allah Alhamdulillah maybe he's reading Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah,

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because he wasn't there

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at the time, so

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This man is ever prayerful, said, Look, man, you're such a good man, such a holy man. Surely you can be guilty of any such crime.

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Maybe you commit suicide, you want us to help you. So no, we have our own system of finding out right from wrong. And that is what the core casting of lots, meaning throwing, like tossing the coin head or tail, head or tail. And according to the casting of lots, we came to the turn of Jonah, that Jonah was the guilty man, as we read in the Bible. So they took him and they threw him overboard.

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And I'm asking

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that when they threw him overboard, was he did or was he alive? But before you answer, I want an answer from you. But before you answer, I want you to realize that the man had volunteered.

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He said through me.

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So when a man volunteers, you don't have the stranglehold of a crane. You don't have to spear him before train. You don't have to break his arm a little before throwing the man volunteers throw me.

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So when they threw him overboard, was it or was he alive? I want an answer from you all was the date I was the ally.

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Ally. There's a right answer. You get no prize for that. It was very simple, very easy.

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You didn't have to use your, your your brains, you know to find out what was involved.

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The storm subsides. Perhaps it was a coincidence. A fish comes and Robinson

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did or li

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from the fish's belly stomach. He prays to God for help. I'm asking people pray, do people pray?

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No. So it was like

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three days and three nights the fish sticks in the ocean. And on the third day vomits him alive. So he was alive alive alive alive.

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When the truth into the sea, he was alive the fish you see the men are to die if he dies is not a miracle.

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Because we expect the man to die nourishing sea

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officials and God is a man the fish is not a respecter of person is uh you know Jonah come from

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is that what the fish does is that the fish may

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break you up into pieces into ticks. Children straightaway and respect as a prophet of God in the lead we treat him gently.

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The fish in the fish, the man want to die. three days and three nights suffocation heat in the winds belly, the man have to die, if he died is not a miracle, if he died is not a miracle, to see if he died not America, as a man if he died is not another three days and three nights.

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So this is the miracle of miracles, most outstanding miracle in the Bible three times over.

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impossibility upon impossibility upon impossibility. A miracle is an impossibility. And this is an impossibility three times over. So Jesus says for his throne hours, three days and three nights in the baby of the way so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. Just like Jonah what happened to Jonah is gonna happen to me.

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And I'm asking my Christian brother

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as I do my brother ritual

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that in your language, sir.

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This English I'm speaking is a foreign language

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that the Reverend discovered, Bishop discovered Sami men from the Bombay province in India, and I speak Gujarati he knows all that.

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English is a foreign language to me.

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Now it is your mother tongue.

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And those of you who speak English as a mother tongue, I'm asking you all in your language

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asking that Jesus Jesus

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in the tomb after his alleged crucifixion, was he data was he alive?

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The Christian says the Christian says he was dead. He was dead for three days and three nights. You ask any Christian Jesus was dead. Jonah is alive for three days and three nights.

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I'm asking you in your language is that like Joe Now unlike Jonah in your language, Jesus is dead. Jonah is alive. Is that like Jonah or unlike Jordan?

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Then like when he's dead when he's alive.

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So I said, and Jesus said, I'll be like Jonah haka, just like that.

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in Afrikaans, so one sua siona susun. I just like, you know, the Zulu, say, Baba gengo. Django ohana. Just like Jonah. In every language of the world. It is so explicit, it is so clear that he will be like Jonah. And the whole Christian will says that he was not like john. So I'm asking, Who is not speaking the truth, Jesus are you?

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Your Lord says in the light Jonah, and you tell me that he was not like Jonah? Was he lying? Was he lying? I can't believe that he was lying. A mighty messenger of God, a prophet of God. You say he's a son of God, I survived. Okay, was he lying? To the people?

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What's the answer? You can't align? Maybe you got it all wrong. The Christian world, you have got it all wrong, because it's not like Jonah. And he said he will be like Jonah. And it's a miracle, a miracle, a miracle. The men when you expect him to be dead, he's alive.

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This, what I discussed with you just now is available in this little pamphlet form. What was the sign of Jonah? And I understand is being sold outside? I don't know how much I don't know. These are 12 small pages. 12 page 12 pages. And if you master this 12 pages, this argument that I gave to you just now from this little booklet. As a reminder, there isn't a Christian born who can argue and debate with you about the death and resurrection of Jesus just this book alone.

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This is dynamite. This is the laser kind of intellect to thought you reason to come and tell me now was Jesus like Jonah? He said he will be like Jonah. And the whole Christian verses is unlike Jonah. What does that prove that the man was not a true messenger of God. He was not a true prophet of God. He was an imposter. That's what it implies. The man was lying. He was bluffing us no Jesus. He doesn't plan. We believe that he was a mighty messenger of God. And whatever they said he spoke the truth.

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Now, after the crucifixion, Sunday morning, the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene goes to the to one of his disciples decide.

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What does he go there for?

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Why did he go to the tomb? So john chapter 20, verse one, he tells us that she went to anoint him.

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Three days after the crucifixion,

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Lh crucifixion. She goes to anoint him. The Hebrew word for anointed Messiah, Messiah hands to massage to enjoy. The Arabic word is mercy from the word Messiah, the Hebrew word is Messiah from the word Maha use a rubber to massage to enjoy it. So I'm asking with the Jews massage dead bodies after three days today. She went to anoint him. That's what the Word says in Hebrew is Maha Shiva do Maha.

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Said Mooji massage dead bodies after three days. You know within three hour rigor mortis sets in the hardening of the cells, the decomposition starts taking place. In three days time the body's fermenting from inside such a fermenting body, you can massage it for two pieces. Does it make sense that she was a bone massage and dead rotting body? Your massage?

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we Muslims We are the closest to the Jews. Do we massage dead bodies after three days? Do we know? And I'm asking the Christians whether you Christian massage, three days.

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The Christian system and

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the Christian massage big bodies after three days do they? The Christians do the massage dead bodies after three days. Dead Body Body Massage with olive oil or anything else.

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So Mary Magdalene, the Bible says she went to MIT. I'm only using the internal evidence of the Bible. I'm not going outside my cleverness. What this philosopher said this and that. Scientists said that nothing of the time. I'm only using the internal evidence of the Bible.

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The evidence derived from the words themselves. looking from the outside no cleverness here. I'm only reading to you in the author as King James Version, what is called the king's English or the Queen's English simple, basic language.

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So she's once to Messiah anointed Jesus.

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She's worried that this stone, she had seen a stone being put in the mouth of the separator, the tool. It was not a great, it was not a great. It was a tool carved out of Iraq.

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According to Jim Bishop, that Christian learned man, he says the size of the tomb was five feet wide by seven feet high by 15 feet deep, with the ledger letters inside. Jim Bishop does 185 feet wide, seven foot high 15 feet deep with image images inside. So she is worried now, the stones would on who's going to remove the stone, maybe she's a lady, a woman. But when she reaches the tumor, she's pleasantly surprised that the stone is already removed.

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Stone is already removed, I will answer your question sir, the stone is already removed.

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She people inside

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and she sees the windings sheets inside.

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And she starts to cry is an anti climax, anti climax to what she had expected. She expected to find Jesus day. But instead she finds the only sheet The man is missing. So she starts to cry.

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Jesus was watching from wherever he was not from heaven.

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But from this earth. This tomb was a privately owned property belonging to Joseph iwrm rmsea, a very rich, influential disciple of Jesus, who could afford to carve out a big room the chamber

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around this was his vegetable garden.

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And perhaps his garden, his quarters and his country home where he went during the weekend for holiday.

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Jesus is there is watching this woman and he comes up to her and it says, woman why we persol seekers now. What are you crying for? Who are you looking for? The Bible says she supposing him to be the gardener. I'm asking why does she suppose he's a gardener? do research and bodies look like gardeners? Do they?

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I said because it's disguised as a gardener. Why is it disguises the gardener as a because he's afraid of the Jews? Why is he afraid of the Jews? Because he didn't die. And he didn't conquer that if he had died, and if it conquered death, there's no need to be afraid anymore. Why not? Because the dead can die twice. Once you are dead. The Bible says it is loaded into all men wants to die. And after that the judgment you can die twice.

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But he's she's opposing him to be the gardener says Sir, if you have taken him hence, tell me where you need him to rest to relax to recuperate.

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Where have you laid him? That I might take him away. I'm only reading what the Bible says this simple English

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that I alone one woman carrying a dead body.

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The rotting body

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at least 160 pounder, you know, a young carpenter by profession. And then 100 pounds of weight of medicals that were around in 160 pounds. And this woman gonna carry him like a bundle of straw. And as in taking where bury him as a hood, like the gray carrying is one thing and American Superwoman might be able to do that. You're not getting a dead rotten Fox, but to bury musicians gonna throw it in a hole. Does it make sense? says no. So I said what they want to do. So she's supposed to Sir, if you hated me, tell me where have you laid him so that I might I might take him not away. The job has gone too far. So Jesus says maybe he said maybe she got the job that this is Jesus. She was used to

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listening to him addressing her Mary, wait, he says many, this was quite distinct from what somebody else can say. So she recognized him. So she wants to grab him to pay respects. So he says touch me not. Don't touch me. But I'm not yet ascended into my father, meaning I'm not dead yet.

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That is in the language of the Jew. I'm not dead yet. I said this the blind Can she see the man is standing there beside her. What does it mean? I'm not dead yet in his day? No, he's proving to her that he's himself, himself himself. My time is up. I don't know how time flies here. Nema seems to be something different from South Africa, maybe is a sound system. I have to wait for this sound to travel to people. You know the words as they're coming out. I can't speak as fast as I could speak in South Africa because the sound seem to reach everybody, instantaneously. So thank you very much for

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Thank you Mr. DITA.

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I might add, while you were busy talking, Mr. Wakefield was busy writing. So ladies and gentlemen, on the topic was Christ crucified. To address you, Bishop, General Wakefield,

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I would like you for a moment to not think of me

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as any title at all.

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I am your brother.

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I'm your brother in the flesh. God is made of one flesh, all nations that dwell on the face of the earth. You are my brothers and sisters.

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And I come to you not as some not as some great position, believe me. If you want to find out we are a very small group. You know, the old lady said there was denominations in our town. And then she said, there are some churches and sects. And then she said, some of the fellows were so small, they were just didn't say, Well, I'm among the objects.

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But I want to come to you as a messenger and as a servant of God.

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And in that way, I greet you each one. I wish I could get this father to join me. He would make me a great speaker. God bless him.

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I really appreciate it. Brother, kind gift. Thank you so much.

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I would bless you, in the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, who said no light and light truth. let them lead me let them bring me to die holy hell, and to die tabernacles Amen, Amin.

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As we enter this, I would like to talk to you and give you an overview of a committed Christian do.

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I am not a popular Christian, popular Christianity nominal Christianity, I have no parkour. let them hang out yourselves.

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The my end is a committed Christian you

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was Jesus crucified. This hinges on another point and brother did that very well brought it out at first, it hinges on the view of the atonement. Let me begin with something that may be be appreciated by us all whether we be a Jew,

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whether we be Islamic, or whether we be a Christian, you remember the story of Abraham,

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when he offered up his son by the word of God,

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and when he was about to slay his son,

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an angel spoke to him, said, Abraham, I've seen your faith. I've seen your determination. I've seen your obedience. And he provided a substitute for the son.

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The call and has several translations in English language. Unfortunately, I cannot be validated. I can't even read my mother tongue of Irish. So I'm a little handicapped.

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But in there, it says that this sacrifice was a great grandson. A costly ransom, a tremendous ransom, a momentous ransom. And with that, I agree.

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In fact, when I look at Abraham, let's take away the labels from ourselves for a moment. Because some of us we think, oh, Islam is our label. Muslim is our demo. Let me suggest to you that every one of us need to submit to God.

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That is where we need to find the will of God, the whole will of God, nothing less. Nothing else, nothing but nothing short of that, and nothing more than that. And Abraham found that.

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He gives an example to the faithful, I don't care who you are. If that is your determination to seek God with all your heart, you will be found of him and he will find you.

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But in this story, he gives us emphasis of a what happened. There came

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a little ram in the thicket that took the place of his son.

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It was a substitute. It was a ransom

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Now we know that in one sense, no animal is truly a ransom for anyone. And this was a sin offering. I didn't say so the Word of God says so.

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And in this, you know, offering, it gave a picture of something greater to come, that is the Christian viewpoint.

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And then we find in the, we find one problem, and then slight sin must either be punished or pardon.

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This is the truth.

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And you might say, Well, now we're here, we're here like a jury, are we not?

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by minute by rock the jury, you're no longer on the jury.

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We are here, truth is not on trial. You and I are on trial, God is our judge. And someday, we all have to face that judge with an account of the deeds done in our body, whether they be good, or whether they be bad.

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Now, in our course of discourses, tonight, you'll find some things that we agree with. And some things you'll vastly differ with, we'll ask you is to submit them in earnest prayer to God and say, God, lead me, help me to submit today? Well, I have no other request of you. But as he he looked upon this, he saw here, not only man's accountability of God, that's not only what we teach, we teach the problem of sin. And when I go to God, the final judgment, which I believe is imminent,

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it can happen anytime.

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We can happen the moment I die, that is my next event, is it not?

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In that Imagine no judgment. I will go there to be a partner with God. I can't have the presumption that say, Look, I've been in the ministry, it's worth something. It's worth so many brownie points, it isn't friends, all we do. All we do is only by the grace of God, and by the help of God.

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Someone I can you hear me?

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I can raise my voice, as well as like,

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alright. It's only by the grace and help of God, that this happens. What do we mean by the grace of God means that somewhere I must find not an equality of a trade with God, but God's forgiveness.

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I was deeply touched

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the one who many of you respect as the Prophet Muhammad,

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who, during his lifetime, wiped out the curse of idolatry, throughout the whole region that he was laboring in, and that is a curse.

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When he was dying, he cast himself upon a merciful God, upon God's graciousness, and upon God's part, and actually, any one of us, when we come to face God, no matter what we've done, that is where we stand.

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But sin in order to be pardoned, we have a not only gracious God, but a holy God, one without spot without what any miracle, and that is very, there must be some satisfaction of the law of God.

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I have a law,

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you break the law, you're punished.

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For that punishment to be removed, someone has to satisfy the claim of justice, in order for that punishment to be removed.

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That's where we speak. That's why we speak that there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God that's in the book of Romans, in the Holy Scriptures.

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And in that book, the reason he said there was no difference was there is so many said well, because I am such and such, because I belong to such and such, therefore, I am much better.

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But this law had to be satisfied. No, the ancient Jews satisfy they had a sacrifice the sacrifices Toulmin, they had a sin offering a transgression offering. And they said they were seeking the mercies of God, recognizing that they could not obtain these mercies on their own word, but this offering symbolize something of their desire to be reconciled to God.

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Too often many people

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are sorry for sin only in one sense. They're like the fellow in

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stateside was caught in court. He was in court

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For some very serious misdemeanor, and the judge said to him, Have you anything to say for yourself before we sent you?

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He said, Yes, Your Honor. I am sorry, I was caught.

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And that's where many people saw a goes. That is not the sole we speak up when we speak of repentance. And this is what applies to all our faith. And all of us tonight, we're speaking of a deep soul that turns us from sin and turns us to God seeking His forgiveness. But in order for this to be done this, this claim this justice has to be satisfied. Let me take you by the sacrifices. Now, we accept all of us here tonight.

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Whether we beat you, whether we Islam, whether we be Christian, we all accept the fact that the son of Abraham was freed by a substitute sacrifice.

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And the Koran speaks so well.

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Then the problem comes is where is the problem of accepting the fact that the Lord Jesus is spoken of as a greater sacrifice. When john the baptist said of him, Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.

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He had the sign, he was born of a virgin, we accept that he had another sign, his name would be Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, this was the son that was born. He was given a sign at his birth. And this is recognized by both Islam and Christians. And what is that? That is the name, the name Jesus.

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The name Jesus means Savior. In fact, it's better than that it means God, our Savior.

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Now, he had another name that was given to him not by his mother, not by some friends, but by God himself. His name Obi Emmanuelle. Al is the ancient Hebrew word for God. emanuelle means God with us.

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And then he himself was called Christ, which is, which is the Old Testament or the New Testament word or Greek word for the word, Messiah. Messiah means a God anointed one.

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Now if I met a man who had that name on him, and who said to me before Abraham was I am. Now the aim was given to Moses. And Moses said to God, who I send it to I say that sent me he said, You say that I am sent you. And Jesus said, Before Abraham was I am, I would somehow say that that man was carrying the name of God. In fact, that was why the religious leaders of that time accused them of blasphemy. Who is this Jesus, both Islam and committed Christians. I'm not speaking of these new fellows that are trying to find out his words and change the different scriptures. But both of these are committed to the fact that he is thoughtless, he is sinless. He was a prophet, born of the

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Virgin Mary.

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We go a little further and we say he was named by God, that these names indicating who he was, and his nature.

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Jesus when he was tempted, you know what he did when he was tempting? What was his answer when he was tempted? Some of you who know the New Testament Scriptures, it says, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. That was the answer. The Lord Jesus, the faultless one, the sin this one, the one who could not lie, would we not tell an untruth?

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He was the one who foretold his death.

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He showed his disciples in Matthew, the 16th chapter, that he must walk to Jerusalem. Now listen to this, he must walk to Jerusalem and suffer many things and be killed.

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In fact, one of the disciples said, Oh, Lord, come on. be easy on yourself. Don't take that view. But he recognized his mission as the Messiah was to be our atonement. Because we could not have an atonement. I could not atone for my sins people.

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How could a wicked person say, Well, God has forgiven me now I'm gonna do the best I can. But it is God's Coleman. And I do not mean by this Listen to me carefully. I do not mean by this some easy believe ism where you simply put up your hand and say I've accepted price and therefore it know

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what we were saying. And this we agree with its submission to the will of God.

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It's obedience to the will of God. And this applies to every one of us, no matter what our label is, forget our labels for a moment, who is standing for God, I'm not gonna stand there as Christian with they're not. And you're not gonna stand there as Islam.

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You're gonna stand there just with your own name

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and be judged for the deeds done in the body. This is why in a gathering like this, we want to not only take the different viewpoints and consider them, but have a practical application and say, may we go and I trust, that this may be a result that we go from this place better than when they came in.

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Jesus said, I lay down my life, I might take it again. Jesus said that he would be suffer many things we killed and be raised the third day. Jesus also said, Behold, now this is what he said to his disciples. He said, the whole like up to Jerusalem.

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All right, and the Son of Man will be betrayed by the chief priests.

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And the in each of deliver him, I'm shortening it here. He should deliver him to the Gentiles.

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To mark the scourge to crucify him, I'm on the third day's rise again, by the way, that agrees with a statement in the Quran, that the Jews did not crucify Jesus. He was delivered to the Gentiles to be crucified.

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And some of you think that you're a smart, Gentile or white person. It's us that bore part of that burden.

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But the act of crucifixion wasn't the only thing. It was the burden of the fact that he was dying, dying for the people dying just like the lamb for the substitute

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And they were talking.

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And then we come to make our position clear.

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Now I'm, I'm not asking you necessarily to agree with me or disagree. I'm saying we're trying to say here we're giving you two viewpoints. We're saying here, consider them.

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There they crucified Him is the scripture verse. That is unequivocal, no mistake. There's no mistaking it says they're there on the on that place. They crucified Him, they crucified Him, they didn't feed them, they didn't hang out with him, they crucified Him.

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And then another scripture, it says, He died for our sins, no mistake, it doesn't say he went and swooned, he died for our sin 31. He is reason which gave the resurrection proof. And the Christian scripture is very plain on that. But we need that raise the good point.

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He said that too often, at the headings of the Gospel says according to the guide, Matthew, and according to Mark, now, the according to there is not even in the original text. You know why? We don't have to sign these texts. Because these are the scriptures not given by men. They were given by God in the in the Word of God.

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Thank you.

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In the Word of God, it says, Christ died. according to the Scriptures. He rose again, according to the Scriptures, that's where we take our position.

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And so he used when you use several channels to reveal truth, the same as we thought, as many of you talk about the Quran, you say God used Muhammad, the Prophet Muhammad, we're saying that God used Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, to reveal the same truth, often the same emphasis revealing the same thing, but they were not speaking of themselves. They were speaking because they were moved by God.

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We want to get another little point.

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Maybe I'll take you the sign of Jonah. My good brother had Jonah. Well turn over. Can we throw them over again?

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I don't know whether we should throw the portacot over twice.

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But look, I will explain to you my view to his is very similar.

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I believe that Jonah was a sign All right.

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Then you say What? But we were listening to Brother deedat give us explanation of it and was very able explanation. I know that I'm going to give you a little different dude.

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I go down, I see young street out here somewhere. And they have a sign up there young Street. So I grabbed this side, I come under,

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I have the side, walk around. And I say to you, I have young straight. You say you're crazy. You don't have young Street, all you have is a sign.

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The sign is not the reality. The sign indicates the reality. If the reality were the same as the sign the sign will not be a sign it will be the reality.

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Thank you.

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What are we looking at Jonah? We look let's look at this thing. One thing I want to show you when Jonah was thrown overboard, went over willingly. He went over as a as a sacrifice to save the people on the ship. They were saved because he threw they threw him overboard, otherwise that check was going down. So they were saved by the substitute.

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Now john is not exactly like the Lord Jesus. And Bodhi that would agree with this, because Jonah was thrown over because he was a bad backslider

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he wasn't serving God who was going in the wrong direction.

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And when you backslide, God is not pleased with you. You're not in fellowship with God.

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But he was thrown over because he was he realized this condition and in the whale's belly, he did some repenting.

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When he was pasta, of course, he went to Nineveh and preach. Let me say that he was thrown into the depths and brought up from the depths out or Jesus. Was that seminary the same?

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Let me give you a little example. All right, we're here on the shore. And I'm going to do this very, very quickly.

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We throw them overboard, and we all say, Yep, he's alive. There he goes, and he falls on the water. If you and I were the Shipman there, we'd say he drowned. We don't see him coming up. He's a goner. Chavez, our visualise concern.

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And we heard of him coming up somewhere else and didn't talk to him, I would say somehow that guy that

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he's alive again.

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But in a more real way, our Lord pictured Jonah, three days and three nights. Now some might say, Well, Jesus wasn't exactly three days a night to start counting. But you must remember rabbinical accounting or ancient counting, and even now, part of the day is counted as a whole. I was born in August, I won't tell you what day because I want to try to try and either celebrate or curse. It doesn't matter. But I was born in August. And I wasn't born exactly at the crack of midnight, I was walking somewhere and the day that the company is having that whole day. They don't say

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the Wakefield, hey, you're only born in half of that day, and half of the next

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you see the day counted as a whole. So our Lord was in the rabbinical cut structure free days of the United States. And he said he rose on the third day, in extra, the Book of Esther, it is similar in structure. Let me take you very quickly then.

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We know what crucifixion is. crucifixion is not a holiday chip. When it goes to be crucified. He doesn't say, goodbye, goodbye, I'll be back for dinner. Just get dinner ready for me. I'm just going to be crucified. No, no, crucifixion is execution. In fact, Jesus used that illustration for his powers. Listen to this. He said, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself

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and take up his cross.

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And follow me pursue after me. What does that mean? It didn't mean he wants you to be physically crucified. But he wants you to die to the old life and come alive to the new is that not true of every one of us, is gonna have a truth in there. But no matter who you are, we have to die out to the past and come alive to the present. There should be a beginning a change for me come with the right thing related to God.

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The more than that. Jesus not only told that, but he gave us an example. He died. He died for our sins and He rose again, for justification.

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That would be that cites the tomb rolled back. I would suggest this that the Temple Guard which was guard Roman soldiers, were placed in that tomb.

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Now these fellows are neither foolish or stupid. They wouldn't let the fellow get out. Quick hurry.

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Nor was the fellow that was the centurion by the cross, a Roman soldier letting him get off on a cross in this room. The last thing he did was stretch the Spirit. And that wasn't that he didn't it didn't say he thrust the needle or opinion, it was the spirit went right in

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fact, come through with a spear. And that's a death sentence. And then he else was he was beaten at least 39 times with a with an embedded script, we know that. And you say me, he's going to swoon and come alive again? No, because he also had this, that he was bearing in himself, a sense of our sins, he was dying, as our lamb as our magnificent sacrifice. not excusing us,

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not excusing us, but enabling us. I'm glad that we did that quoted the rest of that verse in Ezekiel.

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Because I believe it.

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I believe it. And I believe this, if you don't live that way, you will never make it.

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He suggested that. Christians have no heaven for Muslims, why I'm going to be one with Christians, it's going to differ.

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I will tell you, the heaven is open for every man who will submit to God, and walk in the light of God's truth that God reveals to him. If you repent of your sins and say, God, show me the way and lead me and mean it with all your heart. God will not pay you, nor will heaven not be close to you.

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Did Jesus die?

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The Bible says he gave up the ghost that means he gave up his spirit. Now, let's take a look. And I'm How am I doing for time? Better? Good, good. I hope I'm not talking too fast. I sometimes my wife slowed me down a little she said, don't go 100 miles an hour in your language, I will try and slow down. Listen, when he rose.

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There was several instances where he appeared to people, you know, and one of them was as my better detail. So, so, so eloquently illustrated, Mary,

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Mary was a person that was forgiven of many things. And sometimes, one who has been touched by God, in a great way, loves God more than some of us who are indolent and careless, is that not true? And so here she was, she didn't know weathermaster been taken, she'd heard something about something happening.

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she'd heard some talk about him not being there, but it hadn't penetrated her mind or what had happened. The jailer said they they, the men guarding the tomb, and later in the town, this, the seals were broken. And their life was on the line. So they were paid by the religious leaders to give an excuse. But I responded her.

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What did he mean? Touch me not?

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The original is, don't come to me. She was already at his knees. She was already there. She said, Oh, Lord, I see you. She wasn't just standing back looking at him. She clung to him. He says, Mary, don't cling to me. Don't touch me this way. Touch me.

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Because I'm going to, I haven't, I haven't. I'm not going to my father right away.

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And we know the went to his father, by the way, being ascended to his father, I don't know

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where you got that about dying. But I haven't found it yet. God bless you, though. If you can find it, that's good. But generally, when they died, they gave up the ghost or they they bow their heads and died. But this is sending to his father. There was one illustration in the Old Testament. Let me tell you one illustration. Elijah, the prophet was caught up to God, he didn't send it. Enoch, the godly man He ascended, he was was not God took him without the date of ordinary death. Our Lord Jesus said, I've not ascended, I'm not going to leave you right away. And for a number of days for 40 days and type he gave witness to each one. He went to a room where these disciples were gathered

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in fear of the religious leaders. And he goes in and says to them, Sharon, salon, please speak to you txo viscom.

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And they were afraid. They thought, is this a ghost? Is this a spirit

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and so he said, touch me

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Look at me hear me. A ghost does not have this.

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He does not have a body like this. It's not something invisible. I'm at some ghostly Angel. He said, Give me some food.

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Give me some food. Now, why? Why? Why take food if he was, you know, the food he took was proof of resurrection to my mind. Because when he took it and ate it, he was showing me how to resurrected body. Oh, someone says, No, he can be improved, because

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resurrected being so ate food. But the Bible tells us that angels eat food. when Abraham mithi angels, who told him the story of the wondrous thing that was going to happen in his life, the blessing there was coming to him. He served them food. And the Bible says the word of God says the.

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So the angels can eat food, I'm sure our Risen Lord could and that comforted his disciples. Then Paul says 500 others science. And then at the day of Pentecost, if they had a body or if they had a corpse, or if they had a sip of some sort, why do they produce a Peter that covered the man who denied the Lord, he was recovered, I need stood on the day of Pentecost and preach. And they heard him. Many were converted. One other thing, Paul, he was called Saul,

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Hebrew name. He was

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on the way to Damascus, to persecute and if necessary, kill Christians. He hated them. But something happened to him on that road. He saw the light, he prayed to God.

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And then he said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do because that voice said, I'm Jesus, whom you are persecuting. He had no reason to believe that Jesus was raised from the dead or that Jesus crucified, because there's no Vantage in it for him.

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He will be better off as he was, he had the position. Why, in fact, he paid for with his life.

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Then we come down to one other thing that they do that very kindly touched on the word annoying tonight, maybe I can touch on it again.

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I don't mean to be, I wouldn't want to be unkind. Please don't misunderstand me. But I find it hard to

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take the word anoint as rubbing a body when it comes to painters, like David was anointed king. I don't think they gave on rubdown. They just anointed him.

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and they used to anoint bodies. In fact, the undertaker still does some performances. And in some religious faiths, they still anoint the body with with perfumes, they in honor of the dead. And so this is what I see, as Mary doing.

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What does all of this mean to us, though?

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It means that here, we have open to us a grand opening of coming into a vital, personal relationship with God, I don't care who we are.

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You say, Well, I want to believe I don't believe all of that.

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I'm going to ask you just believe the one thing and say, I'm going to submit to God, I'm going to follow His ways. I'm going to turn from everything that is wrong. And don't tell me this is a Christian country. This is a taken country.

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We will Christianity does not track this wrongdoing. We are committed Christianity does not do that.

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A committed Christian is one whose life has been changed by God.

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Not one who bears the label.

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Well, God bless you. Thank you for your attention. I rest my case.

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Thank you very much, Bishop Wakefield. Ladies and gentlemen.

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The final 10 minutes is for Sheikh Ahmed deedat.

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Mr. Moderator, and my dear brothers and sisters.

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I'm grateful for this opportunity to complete the one hour alert each.

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My brother Wakefield

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has made so many points, so many statements. And in 10 minutes, no, no human being can respond to them all. But beginning at the beginning, at the very beginning,

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he repeated the formula for all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. All.

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Implying that everybody

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I mean, that's what it means in English all means.

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But this is giving a lie to Jesus. Paul is giving a life to Jesus, Jesus Christ.

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In the Gospel of St. Matthew

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chapter two, verse 35, he says, that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, and to the blood of Zacharias, to the Jews, so on to you Jews want to Jerusalem, you kill the profits,

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you kill the profits, from righteous Abel, righteous righteous mean sinless,

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able to righteous Zechariah you to the prophets. Then in the Gospel of St. Luke chapter one, it speaks about righteous Zechariah. The right Zechariah was righteous in the sight of the Lord means upright.

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In the book of Luke again, first chapter is Elizabeth was righteous in the sight of the Lord. If a person is righteous, then he is not destined for hell, according to the testimony given by Jesus and Luke supposed to be inspiring,

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or the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

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With regards to the fulfillment of prophecies, the bishop said that, you know, Jesus was the Almighty God, The Wonderful Counselor, and he called Emmanuel Emmanuel called emanuelle. Jesus.

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I have this Bible here is the same Bible as I think it has, you have King James Version, there are 27 books of the New Testament 27 and in those 27 books, no way is Jesus ever addressed he shall be called, that means you shall take his name, he shall be called Emmanuelle nobody ever called it Emmanuel in his life. I would like to see somebody

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with regards

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with regards to the expression, I am, I am,

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the Jesus said I am And God said, I am. God didn't say I am. He said,

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When Moses asked him, What is your name? He said, A, A sharp a, that is in the Hebrew language. This is what God gave him a a sharp a means I am whatever I am

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Now the translation into the Greek Bible in your Greek manuscripts, that I am his bow on who

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I am.

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But in the New Testament, the Greek translation says that is ego, ego, a me coming from the same Holy Ghost, I can't understand that the that I am stood for God, for Jesus also issue have been hold on and not ego.

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Referring to the Quran that the Quran says that it was the Jews who didn't kill him.

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And most probably it is implied that the Gentiles might have killed him. But in the verse that I read to you, it says Rama

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they kill him not in any way, any form, either by crucifixion, or by or by spirit. In no way was he killed at all.

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three days and three nights.

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You see the Christians say the miracle of Jonah is not

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He was dead or alive. But the time factor. He repeated the word three four times, is that for us, Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the way social the Son of man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. Very, very distinct, very, very clear. Three days, three nights, three days, three nights, don't make a mistake. 72 hours, 72 hours, three days and three nights. And I'm asking the Christians. Let's see, did he fulfill that? Did he fulfill them?

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Well, was it possible?

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Anybody knows when was Christ crucified?

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Friday afternoon, right? Not Friday morning, Friday afternoon.

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And they had to give him a bath, which takes a couple of hours. Then they had to put 100 pound weight of medicines around him. That's what john tells us. 100 pound a week of music and put a shroud around him and then put him into the circle is already evening. By the time they put him into the separator. It is already so Saturday, Saturday night, see the Jewish calculation night first, then the same thing in Islam. Our Ramadan comes. The random nights is the first then the day night day.

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In the Jews night, day night, not the night. The Western said day and night missiles know night and day, night and day. So Saturday, Friday, Friday, according to find a man who's supposed to be in the great

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Friday night. Saturday day is still supposed to be the great Saturday night. This is supposed to be the great Sunday morning the first day of the week, Sunday morning, when maybe booth

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is empty. Because already empty morning in the morning is already empty. I'm asking how many days and how many nights? Can you see? Can you see?

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Friday night,

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Saturday day, Saturday night, Sunday morning, first day of the week, the pool is empty. How many days and how many nights?

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Two nights and a day is that the same as this look is a 3132 and one, three and three, two and one is the same? in any language, how you try the master mathematician Einstein time he will help you hear

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your notes, please, please, please see return. Jesus returned to the upper room after his alleged crucifixion. And he goes inside and wishes examples. Salam Alaikum, Salaam Alaikum Peace be empty. And when he said please.

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I'm asking why was it terrified? Because when you meet your long lost Master, your uncle, your grandfather, the Arabic The embrace will know that he kisses one another. But in says that the disciples of Jesus are terrified,

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terrified. So Luke tells us that they were frightened because they thought he was a spirit and asking, do you look like a spirit? And the Christians say no. Then why should they think the man is a spirit with the zeal look like one. The reason is, because the disciples of Jesus they had heard from him say that the master was hanged on the cross. They had heard from here say that they've given up the ghost, meaning and Spirit had come out he had died. They had heard from hearsay that the man is married for three days already have seen in his grave. Such a person you see naturally are terrified. So Jesus wants to assure them that is not what they're thinking. They're thinking has

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come back from the dead. So Jesus, so Jesus says, Behold, my hands and my feet, have a look at my hands and my feet, that it is myself and the same fellow man. Them fools. What are you afraid of before? handle me and see. For a spirit. A spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have a spirit first any spirit. If I bought fishing boat, in other words, like I'm not a ghost, not as I'm not resurrected, another spirit. Is that what it means in anybody's language, your language. If I were flesh and bones, I'm not a spirit. I'm not a ghost. I'm not as

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a language.

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In other words, he's telling you that this body that you're seeing, it is not a resurrected

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body, it is not a spiritual body and the same fellow and to assure them further to assuage the fears is

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something to eat. And they gave a piece of bread and a honeycomb. And we took it. And we act in the very sight to provide that is a ghost, this book is resurrected. I beg your party interests. You know, each and every statement that you have made up, start analyzing them all the time, you'll find that Jesus Christ didn't die, and he was not crucified, and Mary Magdalene will testify to the disciples that he's alive, and they believe not. And as a disciple of Emmaus, the return to Jesus ally in the Lord, and the book of Acts, he tells us that Jesus gave many convincing proofs that he was Li, Li, Li Li, I don't know this Holy Ghost, which brother Wakefield's book says, Is his God

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Almighty, the Holy Ghost is God. You mentioned in your book, this God Almighty, He didn't know the difference between alive and resurrected. He didn't know the word resurrection. If he was resurrected, he's resurrected. He's

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alive, alive, alive, alive, Ma.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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you will agree with me

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that these two scholars

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have exemplified themselves

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in championing the causes of their respective religion.

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And I think they need your applause.

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We shall entertain questions at this time.

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Like I've mentioned before, you will line in single files,

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you will address your question to the respective speakers. We shall not entertain any statements from you.

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Please be brief and ask your question directly and as quickly as possible. After you have concluded with your question, you may step away from the microphone. And if you do have another question, then you will have to queue up again and the back of the line. Therefore microphones provided for your convenience to on the upper aisles and to in the center aisles.

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Remember, the questions must be put politely and directed to the speakers.

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We will take the first question

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from speaker number one. Good, thank you. Okay.

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The question would be if you had a grandson who came here to Toronto, played hockey in this arena for the Toronto Maple Leafs

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and he got a penalty and the rule was he had to go to the penalty box. But there was an exception, that if he was a goalie,

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someone could go to the penalty box and take his place. Would you say to him it's okay to have a substitute? Or would you say no that that's not fair.

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There is no country on Earth.

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Where if you commit murder, the handing somebody else as a substitute no country.

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You will entertain the second question.

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Those who have a question for Bishop, General Wakefield, Bishop Wakefield,

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heard of your crucifixion of Christ. But I'd like to know why.

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The Gospel of Barnabas was omitted from the Bible,

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which says so much about Christ and His crucifixion.

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The Gospel of Barnabas came at much later date. He was not written during the biblical period, and therefore had no no occasion to be included in a Bible. In fact, the Gospel of Barnabas is contrary also to the Koran.

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Thank you

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Question for Sheikh Salam aleikum? Wa

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barakaatuh Did you have any writings about about specifically the crucifixion of Jesus, son of Mary blessing? Did you have any writings about him and where can we find such a thing? Such a book or such writing?

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Yes, I have written a book entitled, crucifixion of crucifixion sounds the same.

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In English is some crucifixion of crucifixion is sounds the same. But in writing, the first crucifixion is ephi x IO n minutes to fix a person on the corner case. And the second crucifixion is si si t IO infection.

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So that is the title of the book. And in that book, I'm giving more than 30 different reasons to prove that this was not a crucifixion Bible. It was a fiction. As the Quran says in the premises.

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They take the question up from the sister.

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My question is addressed to the bishop, given the anthropomorphic nature of Christianity, how do you explain the striking similarities between the accounts of Jesus's crucifixion and pre Christian mythological figures such as mithras from Persia, who was born of a virgin, was the son of God died for the sins of mankind went to hell for three days in a rose or the pre Christian Greek figure of Dionysus, who was also a son of God died for the sins of mankind was hung on a tree and roses. Yes, one short question. Okay. I would just like to hear your explanation concerning the duplicity between the account of Jesus and these pre Christian mythological figures.

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Veritas an interesting question, and of course, that would apply equally to the Quran. Because we're applying a similar figure. They're both born of a virgin in both records. Why would there be those records, because within the prophetic rectory records of the Holy Scriptures, accepted by the Jewish faith.

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Christ was forecast to be born of a virgin 700 years before his birth,

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prior to that, within the Psalms, and we're not exactly knowing how many hundreds of years before that there is still another reference. And you go back further, and even then Deuteronomy the book of Moses, you have another reference to a coming Christ or Messiah. So that would if they wanted to many things have been borrowed from others. So I think it's a borrowing. Thank you. We'll take a question. From the Iowa front.

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The topic you choose Botox, you're comparing Islam with occasion raised three call three question on my mind.

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First, if any of you when actually in this discussion, what kind of problem in Muslim and a Christian society will be solved? Second,

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You don't think so? This kind of all discussion directs people away from the problem, which they are facing right now. Such as racism

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and equality of women and man and an extra.

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And the chair is one question, please.

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There are one question please. Thank you. Okay.

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My dear brother.

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I don't know whether you're talking as a Muslim or a Christian, Muslim or a Christian or united. What are you?

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Muslim? Oh, can you see? Because you are neither fish nor fowl. You are not official, you know, the foul. And you ask a question. Why don't you identify yourself whether you are a Christian and I can tell you, this is the foundation of Christianity.

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Next we'll have a question for you.

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And if you are a Muslim, as this is what the Quran says, You are supposed to go and tell people Rama Cthulhu masala boo. They didn't kill him and they didn't crucify him. Either way. So, you are neither fish nor fowl. I don't think you deserve an answer.

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Would it be alright if I read that passage? No. You have to you have to make a question. Okay.

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The question is

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in chapter 21, one in the book of Genesis

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It says, and the Lord visited Sarah and the Lord did unto Sarah. And Sarah conceived that, as the Lord has promised. So why don't the Christians also believe that Isaac was Son of God?

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Perhaps I can explain that by my own example.

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My father was 63 when I was born, and I was not expected. But I came in answer to prayer. And God visited our family, not in the miraculous, virgin birth. But in enabling my mother and my father, to have a son and their old age. Thank you.

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You have a question for Chiquita. Up in the arrows. Yeah. Go ahead, please. Sara Monaco?

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Because I couldn't ask

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our guests. Mr. Wakefield, I'm going to ask Shay comodidad. Beside me that, brother, can you tell us? How can a man die in five hours when he is on the cross? We know that

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for a man to die in a cross is gonna take him at least two or three days. That's one. The second thing, the next question.

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Yeah, as a Muslim, I know. Like, we don't support anything about gay by the Christian faith. Right. And I know they divided. Some bishops still still support about gay. So what do you think about them?

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Would you pardon me by not say I didn't quite get Sure. I have a bad accent too. So I'm not reflecting on you understand? What I mean is right now in this society as as the Christian is divided, and there are some visual support in the gay society. Personality you What do you think about them? Their Bishop and their gay society?

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Are I I'll speak very frankly, on that. The Bible, the Word of God is very specific against the gay society.

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And the bishop, or the church, or the minister, who says he supports sodomites, as being blessed by God is, and I'd say this kindly, cursed by God.

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You have a question?

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You have a question? Go ahead and do that.

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We are now in 1994.

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The crucifixion. And obviously, everybody is agreeing that it never occurred or less. That's what your premises the best person to ask would be an eyewitness concerning what actually happened. And if we actually could bring him back in time and put him in this place as an eyewitness, that would be of course the best witness. And we would have to agree, yes, this did occur. We have a, a testimony. I'm not only 12. But over 500 people who literally saw him touched him handled him, each of them.

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The original 12 apostles, are the 1211 gave their lives as a testimony saying that, yes, he did die He did. He wasn't buried, he did rise again. They all are the best witnesses. If we were to bring them in this, this Coliseum, they would be the best witnesses? How can you therefore cast aside the greatest witness

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in support, that not only did they give their lives in sacrifice as martyrs, but they would never die? To defend a lie? How can then use to say that their testimony is invalid?

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My dear brother, better than getting those people back from the grave and asking them, you have a written record, which nobody can go against. It's already written there in black and white. And this is your witnesses. And according to these witnesses of yours, we are questioning them.

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That Jesus is telling you that a spirit has no flesh and bones

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and that the resurrected body gets spiritualized that's also your witnesses tell you that. The resurrected bodies get spiritualized Paul says that if you remember, he says that we just saw what you saw a person was

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dead in the soul, you saw him in that means you bury his sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown

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a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body.

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Then Jesus also testifies to that fact that the resurrected bodies will be spiritualized. In the Gospel of St. Louis,

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they come to Jesus. And they asked him the question, he said, Master, in the Hebrew language rabbi,

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there was a woman among us. And that woman has seven husbands.

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according to Jewish practice, that is one whether that is any good, no aspirins, then the second follow takes that away. And when he fails, and if he dies, the third follow, and the fourth and the fifth, and the sixth, and seven guys are telling Jesus, that seven guys had this one woman, they had her.

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This is what the Bible says, seven had her. There was no problem on this earth, because it was all one by one, one after the other, but they want to know from him that at the resurrection

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each guy's gonna have because they all had her here.

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Because once you have a woman that close, this is created, you recognize them on either side, he says my wife may throw, my dear My sweetheart. There'll be a war in heaven between the seven brothers fighting for this one woman. That's the picture they are giving him. They want to know which guy is going to have her on the other side? Because they all had her. Yeah. This is scriptural language. They all had her on the other side. In answer to that, Jesus says, Mariga shall they die anymore? Once you are resurrected, you will be immortalized? This is a mortal body, which is gorgeous. Not only food, shelter, clothing, sex rest. Without these things. No, Pakistan is left. No

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red Indians left. No kidding. is nobody no Europeans, no Irishman, Nobody.

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Also no six normal citizen, all the decisions.

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No, neither Says the guy anymore for that equal to the angels meaning once they are resurrected, they will be in July. They'll be spiritualize. They'll be spiritual creatures, they'll be spirit for the equal and to the angels and the children of God for such as the children of the resurrection spirits. Jesus says, a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have I'm not what you're thinking. What's wrong with you fools, handle me and see, handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bone, as you see me have what is improving? And they believe not for joy. The Bible says I'm only quoting and they believe not for joy, joy and wonder what happened man because the man was

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dead and buried. So he said have you had any meat something to eat? And they gave him a piece of bread fish and a honeycomb and he took it any act in the very sacrificial water is a spirit is a ghost is a scoop. What is a groovy? Is the MSA filament damn fools? What are you afraid of before? And then again, you find in the experience, he never showed himself to the Jews. If he had conquered death, if he had resurrected, he would have conquered death, he would have gone to the temple of Jerusalem and pull the juices and here I am. Remember I told you the sign of Jonah, what is gonna happen is it happened to me here I say will kill you. So go ahead and do what you like, because you

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can kill a resurrected body. Because the Bible says it is ordained into all men wants to die. And after that the judgment you can die twice. So the man would have been invincible, and he will approve this case but it is said he's ever in hiding. He's ever in disguise, because you have escaped that by the skin of his teeth.

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In all fairness to the people who are standing behind you, I will reiterate that if you have a question, it has to be directed alternately to the speakers. And it has to there has to be one question only and as short as possible, no statesman would be allowed. You have a question for Bishop Wakefield? No. Microphone number two the question.

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General general Wakefield, the Bible and the Quran says you will not write the book with your own hand accord with your own hand according to your needs. In today's we see people ordaining women as priests, the church being quiet about gays and lesbians taking over the world. We want to know what's your stand on this and why are you quiet America everywhere? Every nobody's talking about it. Thank you. You haven't listened to me very long.

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But it's true that what we are facing in America and perhaps in some areas of Islam today, unfortunately, is nominal religion.

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And I do not support it.

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I have no truck or trailer.

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And I have no fear, nor no doubt in saying that lesbian ism is wrong.

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And homosexuality in any shape or form is wrong.

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And no church or any religious group has any right supporting it.

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Now, they, they tell us, maybe I just added this other little bit because this question about twice here. They say, Well, some are born to this propensity. Well, Irish people are born with bad tempers. But it doesn't mean we go around exploding, we have to learn by God's grace to control our temper. And these toddlers have to learn by God's grace to change their lives. By God's grace they can. It's not that we hate a person, but we hate the deeds that drive that person to our final judgment, where God will say, Depart from me. Thank you. You have a question for Mr. deedat.

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Mr. Mr. deedat?

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Why does God demand animal sacrifices in the Old Testament? when Abraham offered the Ram? Why does God demand animal sacrifices, if not to typify Jesus in the future? Please, please answer this.

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The same Bible says God speaking, I need no blood.

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I don't need the blood of animals, less of human beings. This sacrifice of Abraham was a drama being enacted to teach the people that God needs no human blah. You see, because in the time of Abraham, in the old of the call these these people made human sacrifices, the sacrifice the sons to God, and the sacrifice the daughters to call, just telling them don't do that is not good enough for men, you have a story. And this is the story with God Almighty enacted for mankind. That look, he ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son.

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And when he's ready, the Quran says God says that it is your your, your, your your willingness that I was interested in, not the flesh of Isaac, or even of sheep or goats. This is just to symbolize this is to symbolize his willingness that we are prepared to cut an animal because it symbolizes our own sacrifice. This animal is ours. And we are making the sacrifice. And Jesus Christ, he gave a beautiful parable of the prodigal son

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that a father of two sons.

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And one of the sons is telling the father is the look, Daddy gave me whatever belongs to me my inheritance, and I want to go out into the world and be independent.

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So the father pleases just to the Son, whatever he was entitled to. And this guy goes to a foreign land, he joins Bad Company, drunk gamblers and all. And he goes into the mire into the gutter, most despicable sort of life. In that position. He realizes that if he had been with his father, he would have been better off. So he makes a return home, says Jesus, this is what Jesus says. And while the sun is coming home, and the father sees it, at a distance, the father runs, the father runs to the son and embraces him. And he says that this my son was dead is not alive. He was lost. He is now found. And he tells this son who has that home is a sacrifice the fatted calf, to celebrate the

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return of the prodigal. This is the parable of the that Jesus day about ourselves and God, God is the father. He's got two types of children, one who is upright and with the God and the other one would resolve and the one that breaks up if he makes up his mind to return the Father, God Almighty revenge to you and he accepts you with open arms, and he makes a sacrifice. The second advice is his own is not telling the son he says, look, you squandered my money. Now you stay with the pigs for seven years. Look after my pigs, and after you have finished seven years of indentured labor, then you come into the house, nothing of the kind. This is God. In other words, as soon as the person who

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repents, God Almighty is prepared to accept him and he needs me

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No blood, he needs no sacrifice. He needs your willingness to return.

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You have a question for bishop.

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I like to know, why isn't the Bible then that Jesus says to you guys, not to Hindus, not to the Muslim, not to the Jews, that on the day of the judgement when you people the Christian get up and say that my Lord did not praise in your name and see they say to you, Depart from me foresight, it is in your Bible. That's right. He doesn't say it just the Christians. He says it to anyone who attempts to prophesied or act in the name of God falsely anyone? Do you think that because you're some other religion, that if you attempt to act in the name of God falsely, that you're going to get by with it at the judgment? You're mistaken? My dear friend, we all have to give the same account.

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He doesn't use the word Christian only occurs five times in the Bible.

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And he does not use the word Christian in that instance. Thank you. Microphone number four. Do you have a question for Sheikh data?

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Mr. Data? This is a question. Jesus said, Those who are My sheep hear My voice, those that are not My sheep hear My voice? What do you think of that? What do you make of it?

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JOHN, Chapter 10, verse 23.

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And Jesus walked in Solomon's porch, then came, the Jews ran about him, and said, How long does that make us to doubt? If that be the Christ tell us clearly. So Jesus says, I told you, and you believe not the work that I do in my father's name, with a witness of me, my sheep, hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, my father has given me is greater than all and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand, neither shall any medical exam out of my hand in this, I am a father of one, in this, not in power, not in knowledge, not in anything, but in this that was the man is accept the faith. I, as a prophet

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of God sees the demand remains in faith. And God Almighty also sees me that we remain in faith. We are one in this.

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There's a sister holding a child and one of the aisles the sister with a child

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is a sister with a child and one of the girls will come forward, please do you have a question for Bishop Wakefield.

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Salaam Alaikum.

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In the beach, when he was talking, he was saying, Jesus Isola his Salaam, as

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he's the same as lamb, or the sheep sacrifice inside name, Brahim. How you can say something like this, and he is your God or even your son of God? I was quoting, I was quoting from the Scripture, where john the baptist, who is the Prophet said, Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. And also quote from the scripture where it tells us All we like sheep have gone astray, and pictures of us as sheep. All we like sheep have gone astray, we've turned everyone to his own way, and the Lord laid on him the iniquity of us all. Also, Jesus said, I'm the Good Shepherd, I give my life for the sheep. So there's the illustration of cheap is all well woven in,

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it was an honorable illustration, because a sheep was considered without blemish was considered pure, it was not a pig. He was a sheep, and was considered pure without blemish. And that was why he was offering it. Thank you. Microphone number four. Do you have a question for Sheikh did?

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I have a question for the

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Santa Monica. The Christian believe that Jesus, either a son of God or God, where did Jesus says that in the Bible as

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a question, not a statement, okay, what did what did you say that his God, and what did he say about the prophecy of Muhammad in the Bible? does Allah

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Jesus never said his God anywhere in any Bible on earth? He hasn't.

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I have been asking my audiences in South Africa, where the percentage of Christians is far greater than what I can

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Since hear that if you can show me any way in your Bible, any Bible,

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any Bible on Earth, you have hundreds of different versions, any version with Jesus is God over he says worship me. I said, I would be prepared to accept Him as God, and I would be prepared to worship him. I don't speak for my brothers, they speak for themselves, but you show me in your book, any book, any Bible, and the Christian is asking me, you mean this is not there? I say, Show me, there isn't. On the contrary, Jesus says, My father is greater than I, my father is greater than all he said, I can have my own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge and my judgment is righteous, because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him that sent me nowhere. Nowhere does Jesus and God movie

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as you said, worship me.

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Microphone number one, do you have a question for a bishop? Yes, please go ahead.

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Mr. Bishop, I would like to know and I want you to clarify this. Is Jesus a god? Or such God? or part of the three so called gods? Or is he a prophet?

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Can you?

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You almost lost me somewhere in that list?

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You're saying? Can I rephrase your question to try and get cheap? I'm getting you. Yeah, I want to know if I know what Jesus is. But I want to ask repeat the question whether Okay, is Jesus a god?

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Son is God or are part of the three so called gods? Or is he a prophet? I, first of all, we affirm as Christians, one God,

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we affirm that as strongly as any Islamic person would.

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Second, the word Son of God, same as Son of Man does not mean less than it's putting of equal nature to For instance, if I said, were Son of Man, it doesn't mean were sub sub contract by channel, it doesn't mean that you're less than a man. It means you're the equal nature to your third question was, was he three gods? No. The Scriptures, as the Christian understands them, teaches God in a plurality of persons, but in unity, the Old Testament says, Let us make man in our own image, clo him is a plural word. Each art is a plural word, which means there is the Lord our God is what it means the Lord our God is unity. I was a member of a family where we had three and a family, but it

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wasn't three families. We were one family. Now that may give you just a brief understanding. Thank you

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have a question for Sheikh Dida? No. Okay. Do you have a question for Sheikh did? Can you come?

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To me sir diva?

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Is there anywhere in the Bible mentioned that Christ was God, the God of Moses, of David, Noah, Abraham and Adam. And as he was the creator of this universe, in creation?

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No, there is no such thing. Also with regards to the Trinity. See, the Christian says that God is in three persons. And they say in the formula, the father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God. But there are not three Gods but one God. They continue in the Catechism. In the book of instructions, that the Father is almighty, the son is almighty and the Holy Ghost is almighty, but there's not three Almighty, one Almighty, it continues, that the father is a person, the son is that person, and the Holy Ghost is the person but they are not 3% or one person. Am I correct? I don't know the characters.

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I'm asking the Christian the Westerner who speaks English, you say person, person, person, but not 3%. But one person. I say I want to know what language are you talking?

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Is that English? I'm asking is that English? that's given a person, Person person, but not 3% of one person. And Bishop Wakefield in his book, in his book is just happens to be here.

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He's written about

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The doctrine of the Trinity, attributes of God Trinity, the Triune God. And at the end of his essay on the Trinity,

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Bishop says,

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He says, yet there are not three Gods but only one, one God only has seen in the previous section. Therefore, therefore we conclude that there are three persons in the unity of the Godhead. And the support is one john 571. JOHN Yes, 571 john five, seven. What I'm asking is that one john five, seven is not in my Bible. I want you to find that for me in this Bible of mine.

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There have been several omissions and some of the modern versions. I don't agree with them. So that's why Stan said, I'm asking who omitted that. That verse is thrown out as a fabrication in the RSV, Revised Standard Version. Yes, I

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Revised Standard Version, not Jews, not Hindus, not Muslims. But 32, scholars of the highest eminent Christian scholars have the highest MLM.

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32 scholars have the highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations of Christianity, they threw it out as a fabrication. And the whole Christian world is constructing a fabrication and creating a new Godhead, a three in one, this is the Bible. Thank you.

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I happen to disagree with those scholars. Because scholars can be mistaken.

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And sometimes, sometimes in the defense of truth, of course, my whole truth wasn't hung on that one verse. I just used that one in there, that or did that that was written 47 years ago, by the way.

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But I'm glad he refers to it. He's giving you a lot of good scriptures tonight. That's terrific. Now, that one verse is not the only one I've used. But I will say this, and I say this, respectfully. That because a man claims to be a Christian scholar, or become from a mainline Christian denomination, does not mean that he is a committed Christian anymore than a person who says, Well, I'm Islam and doesn't practice. Thank you.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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in view of the fact that tomorrow, Sheikh Ahmed deedat, will be debating in the Civic Auditorium in Ottawa, we will have to entertain only four more questions tonight. So we will take one from each of the microphones, one directed to each of the speakers, alternately, and for more questions only allowed. We'll start with a microphone microphone number one,

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Mr. D, that

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we have covered a lot of ground where there are things in common with Christianity, and Islam. My question is, surely the veracity of Jesus Christ as a prophet, is what we are discussing. And if in fact, he said that he was God, if in fact, he forgives sin, if in fact, he guaranteed that he would pay rise again, for the Atonement of the world that either we have to accept that he was indeed a prophet. And the Old Testament, as you know, says that to test a prophet is that his word is altogether true, or he was deluded or he was a liar. My question to you, sir, is, was Jesus a prophet? And did he speak the truth?

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Jesus Christ, not only a prophet, but he's one of the mightiest messengers of God in Islam.

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And what he spoke, he spoke the truth that people have a tendency of seeing reading into scripture, what is not there?

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I'm telling you repeated the phrase Jesus claiming to be God, I'm telling you, here, the Bible is here if you haven't got one, come down. And by the, by the time the other questions I've been asked, you find that verse for me and I will give you my hand and take me to be back.

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Come come down here and show me in your Bible.

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Question for Bishop Wakefield, on microphone to

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Mr. Wakefield, I have a question. If I paint a big, big picture in which I drew Jesus Christ, the Lord, and he's crucified on the cross with the throws on his heads, what do you think the title of this picture would be? Do you think it's love, or wisdom? I'm sorry, I would not do go for drawing a picture, I must speak reverently. I do not be making graven image, or any likeness, to either worship or to any creature here on Earth, to worship by you understand?

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You have a question for fake data. As you can see, I'm a Muslim. And by I also have an open mind. I read the Bible, and many Bibles as a matter of fact, so the question is, I read one time, a Bible, which was from Greece, and half of the Bible was talking about Greek people. Now, if the Bible is Word of God, does there's the Word of God only talks about in a half of the Bible about Greek people that I could not believe. So could you answer that please?

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Maybe I think you have mistaken the Jews for Greeks, because again, and again, Jesus Christ speaks to his people, telling them, I'm not sent, but under the Lordship of the house of Israel. He's telling his disciples going not into the way of the Gentiles, meaning the non Jews and into any city of the Samaritans. And he not but go he rather under the Lordship of the house of Israel, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, old Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Woe unto you hypocrites. This is an quoting Matthew chapter 23.

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of this new generation of vipers, You brood of snakes, whoa, until you hypocrites, six times in one chapter six times, this is addressing the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, and to my knowledge, not the Greeks. But now, I was just reminded that this book here, this book called The choice, the choice between Islam and Christianity, and this book is available outside. This will give you information on what the Bible says about Muhammad, Muhammad, the natural successor to Christ, Mohammed, the greatest and Al Quran, the miracle of miracles, this one also a hardcover book, golden pass South African gold.

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And it's being sold for $15. Those of you who can afford it, buy one buy to give it to your friends, non Muslim friends, your employers, your employees, and it will be a better gift than giving them 15 grand, you know, for Christmas box, give this book.

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The final question, microphone number four for Bishop Wakefield sulamani.

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The question directed to the bishop,

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and Mr. Leader, has proven to us step by step with the clear div with clear evidence that Jesus was not crucified. So how do you have to explain with the statement of Paul when he said in the first Corinthians 1514, when he say, if price is not rising from the day, our teaching is vain, and the faith is also vain. Thank you. Thank you for that very clear statement, what Paul said. I agree with it. I'm not too sure, at least not to me. I'm afraid. The other day that I enjoyed the scripture he quotes by can't say he's proven beyond any shadow of a doubt

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that the resurrection or the crucifixion did not place take place. You know, it is difficult to prove nothing. And he's made a very noble effort and I met him for it. But to me, it's a question not proven because every copy of the New Testament were written by different ones at different. You're within a period. They all say he was crucified and he rose. I go by the record, they're eyewitnesses.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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we've come to the end of an historic occasion.

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The symposium on the topic was Christ crucified.

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You are the jurors.

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You make the decisions. you formulate

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The opinions in your minds because these two gentlemen have done exceptionally well, in giving you the facts, and then outlining to you their religious convictions.

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It has been my pleasure

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to be the moderator. And I hope

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I've done a fair job.

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I want to thank

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Bishop, General Wakefield, Mrs. Wakefield,

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and all the members that have come to join in this symposium.

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And also to shake off my data

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and use of deedat

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and all the members of his gathering that are joined him, including Consul General of South Africa, and all the other consul generals who are present here.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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This concludes this symposium.

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And I'd like to make a correction that the debate in Ottawa is on Tuesday. It has been such a hectic night tonight, that I've lost track of time it has been nevertheless uninformative, and a very interesting one.

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I've been requested

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golly, chairman of Islamic solidarity front, and vice president of Canada, Sri Lanka, Muslim association of Ontario,

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to take two minutes and to address you, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this program to each and every one of you. May God Almighty bless you and keep you in good health was salam o Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu