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Ahmed Deedat

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Welcome,

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fellas

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just seen it. Yeah.

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And while the food is being set for us,

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I might as well continue from where we left off. You had just witnessed at the mosque. The second prayer of the day, the Muslim is obligated to pray five times a day, every day of the year.

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The first one is before sunrise. The second one was the afternoon prayer. The third one is between now and sunset, the late afternoon we call it the fourth one at sunset. And the fifth one before going to bed.

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The Jews were commanded in the book of Daniel to pray three times a day. And Jesus Christ, he told his disciples, I pray unceasingly.

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That doesn't mean continues to Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

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What it means is that constantly aware of the presence of God in others, that

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whatever you do the prayer, you know how I speak to my brother, how I do my business, conscious always that God is watching me. It's a constant state of prayer that so we Muslims, are between the Jews and the Christians, we say why not five times a day, as much as we need physical sustenance three times a day, why not a quick spiritual injection five times a day. And that is what you witnessed the second part of the day, as you see that they're leaning against the wall.

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We are all facing not

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everybody was facing not because Mecca is to the north of South Africa. But if you had gone to the east, even all the most of us would be facing west from the Western countries and you're facing east and from the northern hemisphere, you will be facing south reason, as the young man was explaining to you upstairs, that picture of Mecca with the Kaaba, the cube building in the center. Now that is the focus of the whole Muslim world in that direction. Now we focus in the direction not because God is there, because the Holy Quran tells us when Allah Hill Mashallah Kolmogorov says to Allah belongs the east and the west. Find Amato, look for some odd hula and we sail away turn. He's the president

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of Allah, meaning God is omnipresent. Whether we look up, or whether we look down, or whether we look sideways is everywhere. So that only symbolizes the Unity facing the direction, you must have noted there is a law Akbar. Everybody raises his hands up to the shoulders, just almost touching the ears. And he's saying, Allah is the Greatest, in other words is signifying that our divorce ourselves from other earthly things, never solely contemplate on God, saying, we read chapters and verses from the Holy Quran, celebrating the praise of God, and we go into different postures, and in every posture, we celebrate His praises. Now, while we are at it, you know, you can ask any

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questions, by the way, what happened? What not why this why that you have, you have the freedom, freedom of the IPC in before you give the freedom to say a few things.

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I refine your Rahim

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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

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I declare that there is none worthy of worship but Allah.

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And I bear witness that the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, is His Messenger.

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I begin with the universal Islamic greeting of peace Assalamu alaikum Salaam.

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It is for me and the IPC. I have distinct privilege and pleasure to be able to welcome the Durban business professional Women's Club.

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And its president Barbara Todd, here this afternoon. We know that is professional people, it's not easy for you people to find the time. So we are highly appreciative of the time that you have taken to be with us.

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When we invited your people out,

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we would like you to bear in mind it was in the spirit of the changing South Africa for too long, political, ideological, cultural, religious barriers have kept us apart. And today whilst our leaders like Dr. Mandela, Dr. Buthelezi and President declared, are wrestling with the complexities of the South African problem, to find this new South Africa.

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The initiative has got to come at our level, to meet to transcend these barriers, to be able to understand what makes each of us South Africans.

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from different groups to

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say New South Africa is not going to come about by the signing of some paper and putting up a sign that says under new management still got to be worked on attitudes, etc, has got to be changed. And we believe that that this type of initiative, especially your group, which is in South Africa now over 43 years, and is represented in over 60 countries, and has

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advisory status the United Nations, you have a tremendous role to play. And we are aware of how strong the women's lobby is. Because the French have a saying that the women control everything because they control those that control it.

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So on that basis, in that spirit, we would like to welcome you here today, under a banner of openness and Canada, we're not going to have formalities, we don't have any agendas hidden and otherwise. So on behalf of the President of the ici,

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IT staff members, its members, its trustees, and over 1 billion Muslims all over the world. In the true spirit of brotherhood friendship, they would like to welcome you here today. We are going to have lunch, during lunch. And after lunch, the floor is open to ask as many questions, suggestions, ideas, any contributions you may have, we will even welcome your criticisms. And at the end of lunch, we have some momentous for you to take away. And including, as I said, that won't be ready Now, obviously, because it's been shot, but sometimes they speak through your President, we will make available to you and video recording of this occasion here today, which in my mind is a

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historic.

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We would also like to impose upon your president at the end of the session by asking him to say a few words. And

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with that I say Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem and I think we will meet the name of God get started.

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We people from the east generally start with the pudding.

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New Westerners you end with the pudding. Begin with the pudding. There's a philosophy behind that as well.

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Established sweets, newbie will end with sweets.

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There is no religious significance.

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Except that in our minds, you see the it's

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this is more polite and cultured to have your head covered.

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Like the western in his culture. You see, you must take off your hat to show respect. For example, if an African wants a job as I say What I miss is a cibona for Namibians Oh, and yeah, he's got a hat on or a cap on there's no chance of even getting a job is a disguise you know.

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It takes her don't say what amuses he's got a job.

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Last night, this is no more. This is respectful. And to the Westerner is all in the mind is all in the mind. You think this raises the specter and we think this raises because there's no religious significance.

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Sure, can think of so many questions as you

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lose them extra calories

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are allowed. But what is wrong, per se in Islam, there is a segregation of the sexes, because men and women are not allowed to freely intermingle. So in the absence of a separate facility, they pray at home. Like in this mosque, now they're just provided that there is a holiday Enix that they are in the mosque and yet they are out of the mosque. So the only thing Islam says that every obligation, which is incumbent upon the man is also incumbent upon the woman, we pray five times a day the male women also said, you fast forward hormone the women will be the same candidate. If you have your own money, you give the same charity as the man is supposed to give. So there is no

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exemption from any religious responsibility. But religious reason that culturally we don't intermix men and women.

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The reasons are, of course, that the women the Holy Prophet Muhammad has said that the greatest blessing for a man is a virtuous wife, the woman, but that woman can become the greatest distraction.

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Suppose in our prayer, the lady was standing in front of me. And if you saw rows and rows behind each other, we

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standing shoulder to shoulder. And with a law.

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I noticed, you know, 2436 36. And the main goal is, what a lovely figure she's got

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concentrating on God, to start concentrating over the woman. Then as we stand shoulder to shoulder, because the Holy Prophet Muhammad has said that when you stand up for prayer, we must not leave gaps between you and the other person so that the devil might get in between you and your brother. Now the devil who was talking about was not the guy who seen that gallery, the museum complex second floor, was a huge painting there by some great artists. Were a beautiful woman, well proportioned with wings, she's

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able to go to hell. And you can see the devil flying off in the picture. You can see him flying off with wings.

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horns under the table, the bob hook wasn't talking about one like that. Because, you know, as as you know, if anybody saw one like that you feel Would you like me to stand by him to be tempted, but not the one he was talking about? Was we ourselves, our racial pride, or arrogance and riches, I'm white, he's black, I'm rich is poor. This is no, you don't have that shoulder to shoulder. I can't get it for my brother. And my brother can't get away from me. They are there. But isn't my brother, my sister is standing next to me, for example. And as a law hook,

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the nice cushy, warm feeling

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and wondering whether she's not the greatest.

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So these are distractions for spouses, give them a separate but equal facility separate, but

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say there's no

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subservience? Actually, no, they have the rules, men have the roles, women have the roles, and they are complementary to one another.

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They have they have equal rights, but not in the house. Now.

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Generally, you see another man has the Quran tells us that men is a degree above women must sound like what you would describe it, because he's the breadwinner.

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Because I supply my wife with all her needs, then naturally, I haven't said Look there, we will go holiday to Cape Town, not to Johannesburg. She can't ignore I have equal rights.

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But But as as you said, she Stoops to Conquer. He gives in as he has to go. There's no there's no tug of war between husband and wife. If she just says she's as if creates, in my mind the feeling that the choice is mine. I just can't help it ask him three years ago. And it's happening all the time. There has to be in impacting me this

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and I had more of my people in portion than in Stanger. But every time period, weekends, whenever we move, we move into anger. We move into anger, we don't go to my own religions are in them. But my wife and relations are in anger. So it's like the coach pulling the engine away everything.

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Yes.

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isn't working. Parents?

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No, I believe for instance, in I suppose every culture does a slightly interpretations.

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In the Middle East, for instance, yes.

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Saudi Arabia, yes. They just don't allow women to travel on the earth.

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Would that be for the protection that

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we wouldn't like our daughters to be going out alone.

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Our son is going to john Maxwell you can come to this. But I want in a hurry. Tell my daughter to come lift

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my brother

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You can i can tell my wife

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the obvious reasons because men the predictor, He is waiting there in order to exploit the weakness a woman.

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So in Islam

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we are not allowed to be alone with a woman who's not my wife, or my sister or my mother or my daughter, everybody else at a restricted a distance.

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For example, if I was traveling to Johannesburg and I witness you saw you standing there by the roadside thumbing a lift straight up, my religion says don't ever listen.

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My religion tells me I should must give you a lift.

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Why? Because you're white

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nuns,

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even my own race, it tells me I should not give her a lift. Because it is a challenge to men's manliness, we are to traveling together alone in the car, before we reach our destination. Now, whenever whether she is married, any children, how long you married, the 15 years, any children is No, he's not working hard enough.

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No.

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boyfriend is no.

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You know, you can go to the cinema. No, you can go to the dance. At the back of the mind, there's something more than a dance and that dinner is involved. So the creator knows the machine that he has made is no keep them at a respectable distance. The lady is there with a gentleman, maybe her brother give her a lift act of charity, or maybe a husband, or a father and daughter, act of charity, but alone, don't tempt Providence

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is the practical aspect of

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I think that leads on to a point about the exploitation of women, by society. Like I'm sure as your group you might have come across quite often. I think the anecdote that you are relating the other day on, on

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your views on advertising.

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They asked me a similar question to some students about,

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about ladies. So as you see,

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lately, women are being exploited to them.

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To give an example, as Lucien motors in Switzerland, this a secondhand tax, but on the terms that they advertise that the woman in the beginning of the track, Jenny G, not that we had infused with their move to Latina, when they advertise, practice, they have women in the beginning on top of the tractor, some asking what has a woman in the beginning got to do with a second truck with the tractor, except the man

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he'll be enticed to read because of that woman. Then I see a beautiful advertising Cora solve your car with a noise. He says, protect your interest. What your interests led in the beginning.

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But they're talking about Korra solving motorcars then BMW

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has beaten the lot.

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As seen advertised in our daily news, local paper

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is has a beautiful illustration of a BMW motorcar. I'm not in a market for it. I had my first wife and middle 12344 I had in succession one after another. Then I had to buy a car because they don't make them anymore. And I got my second car when I don't know the third one what I don't know. But I'm not in the market for BMW. But I was forced to this Edward BMW model, beautiful illustration, in front of that motorcar is a woman in the skinniest of bikini what you call the Tango, you know the G string. And she's standing and

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standing the lateral enticing pose. As is inviting. Come on. And it's written at the bottom test drive her now.

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She's buying the car, test drive her now. So what are you doing to see the Westerner He says his mother, he says his wife, he says his daughter, everything is for sale. You have this?

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Everything is for sale. His wife is she's happy My wife is she's being brought on the screen. The guy is simulating sex and rape and the guys enjoying it. So you're sick. You people are sick.

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People away

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everything we're saying. So in the house of Islam, the Holy Prophet Muhammad you said women, they are your mothers, your sisters, they are your daughters. They are your aunts. They are to be loved, respected, cherished and protected. Yeah, not for sale. Listening is not for sale. I have things to sell my ways, but not my wife, not my daughter. Not my mother. These are not for sale.

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So I don't advertise them.

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I think one gets the idea that

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impression.

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This is

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the secondary row and

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it's one of the, it's

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got a few myths that

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surround Islam. And this is one of the other one is the image of the Islam conquered by Saudi militancy. And this is largely coming because of Islam Shepherd spread many lands, it has come up against cultural situations, turns on Islam itself isn't a cultural religion, like in this country.

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For many African people, they perceive it as an Indian,

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Indian religion, if you happen to be Asia, from India, whose forefathers were converted in India to religion.

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So, in certain cultures, like our forefathers were Hindus, and, you know, for example, what is the status that used to exist years ago, as far as the woman is concerned, so, some of these cultural things that

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kind inherited, which has no place where the legal basis has been taken as representative of religious, and this Christian women that you rightly pointed out is one of those very important on that one, and the other one about this image of the sword was held with a sword.

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Yeah, and the conversion process, what such a thing is involved in it is really simple. Now, you see in Islam,

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number one is that we have the same concept of God. So I start explaining to you, number one, the concept of God, we say we all believe in God.

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But if I told you said, you see God Almighty, he's not like a man.

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He's not like a monkey. He's not like an elephant, he's not like a snake. He's not like anything we can think of imagine. He is absolutely a spiritual being immaterial.

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Since then, I accept it.

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I accept it as a non Muslim.

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But you might have withdrawn labor law. If you accept that is right, and the other Muslim, that goes certain obligation, you believe in God, you said, Yes. As soon as he got on it. He doesn't leave man alone. Just knows complex machinery, man.

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Every little thing that we make, we have instruction book.

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You know how to use the washing machine, how to use a hairdryer, everything has got an instruction, but this most complex machine man, no instruction book,

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must have an instruction book. So this instruction books was given by God Almighty through the prophets, is telling me that this machine of mine, I'm now gifting you with this machine, Thou shalt not commit adultery, don't pollute it that way. Don't drink, don't do this, don't do that. And what things you ought to do and what not to do, this is the instruction, if you want this machine to last and prosper. These are, this is how you use it.

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So he said, instructions were given by God Almighty through the prophets. These are men like ourselves like Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, the human being like us, but they were so finely attuned, that God Almighty could communicate with them on a higher spiritual level, what you call revelation, and they even turn the convenient to us on a human level, on our regular 600 miles an hour sound waves, electromagnetic waves of the spiritual world. So it is our shall not commit adultery, Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife, Thou shall not kill

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the man, that man is speaking the words of God, but he's not God.

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We must love them and respect them, revere them, follow them, but worship, none of them. You can accept that as a Muslim.

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It's just now whatever label you might have a different label on. You call yourself a Jehovah's Witness or the Seventh Day Adventist or a Hindu whatever. If you think like me, you are a Muslim.

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You might have a wrong label on

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in the house of Islam, we are the cruises for the Jews, religiously, and we are also cruises to the Christian.

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This sounds like an anomaly, oil and water we are closer to both How can you be as is known in the concept of the divinity. The Jew says God Almighty is absolutely unique. He has no partners. He has no sons. God is not seen at any time. Newman can see God and live and we give a hand of exceptions to the Jews that we believe as we believe in

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He says no reading of the flesh of swine. You say we need it. He says no eating of blood, we say we won't touch it. He says circumcision is a non circumcised car. What do you want? The only real difference we have with a Jew is not religious, it is political. We are both fighting for a piece of land. Now that brings me on to the judges.

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Yes, what does this actually constitute? Is it a holy war for the ground, which is comes back to holy war? When anything you fight for the right cause? When Britain was defending the gentleman's

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was there wholly or not? You say it was Rudy.

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You want to give him that I can conquer take away Inland Empire as well.

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As Churchill said, We'll fight them on the beaches.

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broomsticks and all right, that is

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the admins are struggled for a justice and righteousness, or we can be both misled. Like in the Second World War, both parties, the Germans and the allies. They were both crying to God. And one of our South African boy, he described it very beautifully.

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Is it gone heard the embattled nations sing and shout, God, this God, that and God The other thing, you know, Kelly says good, God said, God, I got my worksheet out.

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That's what the gentleman says, oh, Lord, God, help me again, this

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is perfect is elements and the

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helpers against

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telling God what to do. So we can be confused. But from the German point of view, it was wholly from the British point of view, it was holy. This is how but now it doesn't mean objectively we sit back and look, we'll find that no, this is not only what is your purpose, why did you do this?

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But to the person who can program himself brainwash himself, this is only

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that it can be the unhealthiest of things

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he has individually. Another question I have is that

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in some areas, I think Islam Islam to be excessively fanatical? Yes, yes. For instance, in Iran, umbrellas have so much power.

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Do you have different degrees of

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loyalty, lack of tolerance is more loyalty is the Roman Catholic

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among the Christians now?

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Well, whatever the Pope says, I accept.

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So similarly,

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this men need respect that look this man. He's got no ulterior motives, and I can see his piety and goodness. So whatever he tells me, he can be wrong.

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So that kind of dedication and the Iranian people who are shears they have that amount of greater dedication, as Roman Catholics would have

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had a greater, you know, feeling for leadership by His Holiness, the Pope. He says ex cathedra No, no, no.

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No, don't talk don't reason. The millions who will say

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that, similarly, that guy there, he has a great interest in that as we will start reason. He said, Wait, wait, wait, wait, let's examine what you say. Is it based on facts what whatnot so we are as people who are not that emotionally carried away

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as the other group, like the Roman Catholics, you know, emotionally Canada, then the Protestants because you are trained now to ask questions, Martin Luther Saturday, so you keep on asking questions. So everybody's asking question, so you created all the different sects and denominations.

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Now, and

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Salman Rushdie,

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I'm sorry,

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is in my mind to these things? No, you have every right to receive roosh D happened to be born in the

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1000s of

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men born a Muslim

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and a Muslim home.

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educated in Britain, at the age of eight, he was sent away by his father, thinking that you know, once he's in Britain, he will learn to speak English better, and master the language and we know it's a weapon. Language is a weapon. So he sends him overseas, and he takes writing as a carrier.

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A very good writer.

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So now he has an idea as to his best seller.

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What is his Now look, I can write a book and provoke the community. And I know it's like soda water. The guy

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Without and this and that energy is federal law. So he writes a week in which he merges the wives of the Prophet.

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But now to go to England, and elected to redevelop, and I went to the Royal Albert Hall.

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We had 6000 people turning up, and

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I'm demonstrating to the audience 6000 people that none of you have read the book. You are sitting in gentlemen, you know,

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you didn't read the book. So I make the chairman to read his preface is quoting Daniel, Daniel Defoe, where he's talking about the devil

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actually describing himself if you read that, his, uh, his talking about himself.

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But now, I told the chairman read this to the audience and ask the question, has anybody ever read this anywhere in the past 12 months?

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Please put up your hand. Anybody ever read this?

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If you had read it, immediately, the quickest

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way I can remember what I read this words, was so poetic, Daniel de forced in words about the devil

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out of 6001 person put up his hand.

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So that that means he says that he asked me, maybe it was quoted in my book, which was given maybe he read it in the book, my booklet, answering rudely. However, we didn't ask him the question. So I'm asking the people

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ask us Now look, what have you read? People generally? As a you don't know what he wrote about you? Forget Muhammad, and forget the wives of the Prophet. Forget the Muslims You. You.

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So what does he say about you? page 80. This is

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good you, you British? As a sister and use the word British and you Americans? It says medalla uses the word for the four letter word Americans did you read that? Then you white women your mothers your wife your sister You are that Peter Mayer you know the penguin? I'm asking Peter May when I was in America as I want the guy to come

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as Peter may he's a Jew. I said this guy loosely says Why do women

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white women or nevermind fat Jewish with a pointy nose or non differential you can make up the difference Irish Swiss German what I can make up the difference but don't worry, as long as she's White.

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White women no men fat Jewish or non differential white women are for and throwing away

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I said up the man that's your mother is talking about your mother. That's what they're supposed to do your mother you know this the Africans and the Indians we must read all this isn't a white woman or for that purpose only.

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What have you read? You British? The first page as he says you London as a bastards.

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First Page is a London as this is an accident took place and the guys floating down and he shares his London as a Boston as a New London as What are you in London? Sure. Boston.

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Pakistani London. Boston, you British London English London area Boston. Whatever Lenin is here. You're all bastards. Except that.

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You're only looking about the other guy. I'm crying because it hurts me. He's very

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close spiritually. The wife of the Prophet I'm getting nearer to me than our mother.

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So in the house of Islam, you can't be smudge anybody's name. See, the western system law is beautiful for protecting the living. I call any lady Oh, you have a right to take me to court. You said defamation. I defend you. Right You have a right. But if I call your mother Hall, and she's dead, you can do anything to

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either bring your mother out of the grave to say look, I'm not a hoarder. No. So I got away with it. So I said, you see the western law is beautiful. We're protecting the living. But what about the dead? Now in Islam, we protect the dead and the living.

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You make any aspersions against any woman? Is that Look, she's at that dress.

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I said that. Right now. The Islamic law demands that I prefer eyewitnesses. Yeah, there must be eyewitnesses not from hearsay what I heard and I thought they went into the room and

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did you see four eyewitnesses? So let's say I am one of those devil and I pay three other persons So look, man, you talk like this and you tell like this until like that and we go to court, right? This woman here she is committed adultery. In cross examination. If one of them fails, everybody gets 80 lashes each. You're gonna say things like that. And in about any woman. If one of them fails in the fall, and the cross examination, all the hair gets ADLs

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Even if it was true,

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this is what you said, this is barbaric. As you people are foolish. You see you got wrong concepts of law and morality. Suddenly he goes and rapes and rapes, 13 women,

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or rapes and rapes 13 women,

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for which he gets a double life sentence. At the moment he's enjoying in prison, you know, he's got a room for himself. He's got a TV set and a VCR. And he's studying law at the expense of the taxpayer, which I can't do for my son. Myself. There's a standard several, even three days ago, I was kicked out because I had no fees. That guy now he's becoming a lawyer at our expense. And for good behavior in 20 years time, he'll be out to write his memoirs and make a million out of that.

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There's something wrong with you thinking something very wrong. Then the guy in Atlanta, Georgia is sodomized 21 boys and killed them 21 boys, he's also doing a double life sentence for good behavior out in 20 years to write this noise and make a million out of that.

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There's something wrong with your thinking.

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Because those 21 boys were not your brothers, they will not just sense those women were not your mother's day, we're not your daughters, where there is only a number 13 what less 13 number mean to you? Nothing. 13. So

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then your concept of looking at justice. This is in San Francisco, a Caucasian a white man, he raped nine women. And before killing them all. He willed them with secret steps in the most sensitive parts. And it's so many projects before killing them.

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Now when the guy got caught

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the jury system, that sentence in America 12 out of 12 not 11 out of 1211 say the guy goes on to die.

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I think you know we should give him double like double life. Double Life, you know that penalty 12 out of 12 in this case 12 out of the jury there is a guy deserves debt.

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The bhujette nobody said he said it is too merciful to kill him.

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It's too merciful to kill him. So to you now you are a scientist. You want the guy to linger in prison because your race is worse than killing. You just kill him.

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You want to get the player of keeping him alive. There are hundreds on the death row in America. And maybe here in South Africa. We know we deserve that.

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Are you compassionate? Or are you a scientist? How would you answer that?

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As a Westerner Westerners you have scientists? Look, the guy said the budget says he's too miserable to kill then what? So it's supposed to give me my life. He said yes. That's what you want to do. So you are a scientist. You're not

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very hypocritical. They don't get very confused.

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system is

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so useful when it starts with you.

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We seem sound cruel, but the Holy Quran says like life sentence now capital punishment.

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We have no right to take life. Right? But this person took life already. He said he by taking my brothers that is forfeited his life is a no no, we have no right to kill him. But what about He killed my brother. So you are turning very, you're very compassionate. The Quran says in the taking of life, there is a saving of life.

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He sounds in Congress, by you taking life means a life for life. commit murder, if you take his life, you're gonna save life. You get rid of him. But the rest is his gnome. And this is

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you're gonna save 1000s of lives. But you know, I might be able to get out of this. And that was last sentence and for good behavior. I'll be out in 20 years. I've got my way. In the taking of life, there is a senior flame, this ANC fellows that come to me. And the same time they had taken out the manifesto or something to say no capital punishment. Right? Okay. I said now, that in Soweto, that girls hostel is 21 boys. So they read it and they took all those girls and they raped them and one of them was mentally deficient. But what they did is all the things were given to us in the news. As of now, it was not the applicant going in raping white girls. The African raping your

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own daughters as if they were your daughters. What would you do? Okay.

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Where's your sister your daughter if that guy did that? What would you do to him? is a killer.

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But no is a double standard is no because I say no, no. No that sentence for my people but for the African years or for the it as the law should be for everybody. You do such and such a crime you're convicted you forfeit your life.

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Now once it's done, and in the house of Islam, you see the lowest not only to be chest but it must be seen to be just

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the people must see it. So now you committed a crime is that even in the public place? marketplace on Fridays out a prayer. So right, this guy deserves to have his head chopped off.

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Once you see that,

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you want to read this in Jewish law,

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the editor and the others is a stone them to death. That's what God says in your book.

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The adulterer, and the adult says the Bible says must be stoned to death. Now, suppose this happened in a prison, you don't know what's going on. But if you go into the marketplace, and once you did it one as 1000s

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not for me.

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But you seem to be harsh and cruel. But what are you doing for humanity in Saudi Arabia,

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a population of about eight to 10 50 million people. There is less crime in Saudi Arabia than in Washington, DC.

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Who are the most civilized people on earth, and you can control your beasts in New York. No woman can save after that.

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And you're supposed to be civilized people.

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The you know, the women are able to walk around and do things do the shopping nobody day. So let's

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do that.

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Look, I like my wife and daughters, you know, to be under those conditions. And they can go around and without any fear on my part that you know, she'll be raped, she'll be assaulted.

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You people are very kind and compassionate. So you created the monster. Frankenstein monster for yourself. You pay the price.

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murder in paradise.

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I was reading about a Sunday Tribune many years ago. And the headline was murder in paradise. very intriguing. Copy. murder in paradise. So what's this? I know about Adam and Eve, you know, breaking the law eating the forbidden fruit in paradise. But

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so I had to read. I'm reading Paradise Island, dispossession

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in the Caribbean, paradise, Paradise Island.

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So the woman was found raped and murdered.

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A little place like the island, they're just hooked up into a frenzy case the guy and the local police couldn't do it. So there's a law called the British Scotland Yard. So the Scotland Yard came they face. So eventually that includes everything is it good?

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After some time, at the end of the identical murder, and rape and murder, again, the whole mission is the little island, you know, everybody's prepared out to get the guy and Lynch ship.

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Because everybody's like a personal thing, you know, so this could be my mother. Because the small place and the thing happened the second time. And this time they call Scotland Yard again. And this time they were fortunate because it

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now the same people who are wanting to Lynch him, now they're listening is the court case and the court case, the good

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advocate. He's saying, you know, his mother was a drunkard and his father was such and such and, you know, very hard upbringing.

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Instead of [???]ting crocodile tears. So the same people want to believe the guy doesn't

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lie, because those two women they were raped and killed when not your sisters, they will not your daughters, they know their mothers.

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Something wrong with your thinking.

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Please forgive me.

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The Muslims are really

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a man is convicted, for example, convicted, that he has committed the murder. Now the law says as quick as possible, get rid of him

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to feed him with all this is no his last supper would have been last. You know given I said what fall at will expense your expense.

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Visit taxpayers as quick as possible. So suppose we made a mistake.

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With all good intention, we can make mistakes. As if we made a mistake. God will reward him on the other side

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is a good man. Let him go quickly. You will receive him. He was a bad guy.

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Let him go and meet his Lord.

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He honestly made a mistake. God will forgive us Hello, Lord. Look, according to the laws of evidence. We couldn't help it. You know, the whole jury sees that this guy's guilty, guilty, guilty. What can we do? And we made a mistake. We can still make mistakes. But it's something you said Lord will

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On the other side, but we had no intention of doing injustice.

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Because,

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right, so now, the Lord has, the Bible says, live for life I took your Bible says that.

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Right? So Jesus Christ says

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that I'm coming to destroy the law the prophets I am not to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, heaven and earth shall pass away, but one john, one Peter shall in no wise pass from the law will all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, or shall teach men so shall be called, at least in the kingdom of heaven. But whosoever shall, shall be called great, not the least, time is begun. What is the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet, like a T.

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He also said, I have come to add, yes, and in my ending

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must have seemed

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like

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the Bible, because I'm not

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that good at science. And I don't remember people's names in the Bible.

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But he did say, we're, I think the creator of giving people another chance comes from is the

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is the teaching that he originally taught, it might have been that people have used that for their own pins. You don't truly believe in the rest of what I said.

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earnings and it's become corrupted. But his whole idea behind coffee was to give to forgive, and to give people a chance of repentance. And that vengeance with the Lord. Right, no one else's right. And that is where I think that creative ideas come from in the West, because the West was for many years, surprised himself to be large and Christian, although many Christians are phenomenal. I don't know if you have that.

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People who are nominal and Huaxi cm.

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And

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I don't think that have any kind of authority on Christianity, because

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students

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feel that I'll be a student for another 20 years, I'll still be a student or, or they'll be these students. I do believe what Christ taught and believed that in giving people another chance. But I do see what you're saying that I know. And I've many times thought about it. It's easy enough to see

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somebody that you don't want to die. But it will happen to one of my sons, how would I feel towards this person? And would I be able to forgive that person and yet I do know of people who've had, who have forgiven and the forgiveness has not benefited the person that forgiven, but it has been benefiting themselves, because they have robbed themselves of their business because bloodiness destroys in with me. And I can't suppose why cross talk certain things because I'm unable to suppose. I don't say I believe me, because I claim zemon and I study and we all

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must, yes. But that is weird comes from its base. It's a basic principle that cross taught that you should forgive.

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And no matter how terrible thing is that the person does to you should can give. And very often it's true. And I've seen it work. Yes, that really horrible people, terrible things to write, and no forgiveness of them in your forgiveness. And really, they were so big, and letting them stand on

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the stand back and have the owner courts say, wait a minute, what is this person? What am I that I'm doing this? I'm just doing it? No one's fighting me back, but I'm doing it and what a disgusting creature I am. And then they take hold of the last say, from this hour. I want to change this. And that is where forgiveness can heal people. And I'm not saying that always works, doesn't always

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forgive them for when

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they did a terrible thing.

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Right. So now, what happens is

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that we seem to have two contradictory type of statements.

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One is

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He said, Look, I am not come to destroy the law. The law, the Hebrew word for law is Torah, meaning the first five books of Moses. Whatever the teachings, Thou shall not kill, does not possess everything that is there is there and I'm one jot or one pixel shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. And my understanding of English is fulfill means to fill up not to take out. When you say you fill up the law, you make it tighter. And I am noticing that that's what he did, actually. You see, the Jews had a lot of doors.

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They had a lot of divorce.

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But before Moses, they used to do divorce before Moses is human beings. humankind's come together, and there's a conflict and there's a separation. So they used to divorce. But now the man divorces his wife. And afterwards, he changes his mind. And he goes to his father in law's house and catches the riser. Come on, darling back home. So what for your divorce, I asked you to go for a little holiday. And now you want to get another husband, catch her by the hair and bring her back. Now that's the abuse. Boy allows you if you can get together, no use hacking at one another for 100 years, packed nicely. But now, the guy is playing the fools with the law, he divorces and now he

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goes back. So God Almighty through Moses, strict typing the law. He says, Whosoever puts away his wife, let him hear a bill of divorcement. There's a advanced evolution of the law, that now you put it down into writing. So you can say I didn't do

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now, that's an

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evolution of the law is evolving. But now, my cousin's the Jews, very ingenious people. So the guy gets married, and the his cohabitate insurance with his wife of his she's not the same anymore. He wants something nice and crisp.

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There is a way out. Moses said, Whosoever puts away his wife, let him give her a bill of divorcement.

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So right, he writes out a bill to suddenly go, he gets somebody else gets into difficulty. anyone says, change again, is what did Moses say. So who's ever given a bill of the watchman is within the law, the law says you give her in writing, and that absolves you from other responsibilities. So the guy is now playing fast and loose with the law. They comes along another spiritual physician, I mean, the Jews, Jesus. He says, the sickness the guys bring the food man is too damn clever. So he takes away the privilege as a man of God, he has a right, as a doctor, he can change the medicine, because this is the medicine for malaria cleaning, but maybe a tank cleaning is very dangerous. It

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has other side effects.

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Do

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you change it? The doctor has a right to change. The man of God, the prophet of God has also tried to change. So he takes away that privilege from the Jews. He said, it has been said by the whole time

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that who's an hour puts away his wife, let him give it the last man. But I say unto you, I'm telling you now, Whosoever puts away his wife, say for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery, and whosoever medicine that is the most committed adultery. In other words, no divorce. Am I correct, man?

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God was. And if you divorce a woman, and he marries her children are all bastards. And the Bible says, The bastard shall not enter the congregation of the road, even into the 10th generation. Once you are a bastard, your 10th generation the bastards. Now I'm quoting scriptures is what the Bible says, The bastard shall not enter the congregation of the Lord, even unto the 10th generation, remembering that before me, yes, so that will once You're a bastard, you're 10 generations are bastards, just because your husband and you couldn't agree.

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And now, you were a young woman in the prime of your life, you made a mistake in your claim, Oh, boy. And another guy comes along compassion is Look, you're beautiful, you're intelligent, everything. And he said, No, I will give a protection in marriage, but you are committing adultery, and your children are bastards for 10 generations. So you have misunderstood the whole thing. This was a remedy for a sickness.

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You are playing fast and loose. So now the law is getting tighter for you. But Jesus, the same Jesus, he says, I have yet many things to say unto you. But you cannot build them now. You haven't got the capacity. You are like little children.

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And the proof of that statement, you cannot bear them now means you can grasp it now is writ large. In the New Testament. He read again and again. Jesus tells his disciples, you have little faith. You have little faith. How many times then when you speak to them, explain to them as it was explained to little children and the consequences.

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He's a human being without understanding. And when it's provoked further, he says to His disciples, or faithless and perverse generation, how long should I be with you? How long should I be with you? I said, if he was a Japanese, as a Jew, he would have committed an honorable harakiri. Everything he tells

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us everything he tells them, they misunderstood everything. And the truth is that I give it to you, in front of you, john, Chapter 30. At the end, he says, I'm going to prepare a place for you. In my Father's house, there are many mentions. If it was not, so I would have told you, and when I go he in the way he, you know where I'm going, and you know how to get there.

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You know, I assume you understand what I thought and treating English language is I think you understand what I say? That's what he's trying to say is, look, you understand what I'm telling you where I'm going, and you know how to get there? The answer is the Lord. We know not without algos. And how can we know the way the mindset of you know what I'm talking about? I don't know what you're talking about.

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See, Jesus is talking about spiritual matters, his disciples, I think, for geographical locations. They thinking about braamfontein Kimberlin has spread. He's talking about spiritual matters. They are thinking, therefore this look, I don't know how you're going to get there. So in answer to that, Jesus says, he said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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The Zulu says to me,

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the way that if you want to know where I'm going, the way to God is personified, in me, real life is personified in me, truth is personified in me, look at me. If you want to go where I'm going, you follow me, you will reach there.

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So they said, if you look

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at where your head is a look, Joshua is the father and it sufficeth As always, what you're talking about offensive collateral, what you're talking about, just show us God, and that will give us satisfaction enough. So Jesus says, Philip, you have been with me for so long. Why ask us not sure. As the Father, if you have seen me have seen the Father, again, they misunderstood everybody 800% from the word go, they misunderstood where he's going, when he's telling him the way that they misunderstood. Now, he said, Look, Phil, have you with me for so long? You as a Jew? Want to know better than that? You know, God is not seen at any time woman can see God and live, how can you make

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such a silly request? If you know me, if you understand what I am, you will understand what God is. You haven't understood me? How can you understand God?

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Is God He is the father? Is that what he said that he is his own father? How can you be his own father, he took a seed and put it into his mother and he came out

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to see the trouble is this Jewish book, The Bible is a Jewish book, full of Jewish metaphors and similes, of which the Westerner has got no experience whatsoever. Please forgive me, I'm talking about your ladies. You see, when I talk to them, your DVDs and your professors, you have that concept. You're using a Jewish book with Jewish metaphors and similes, about reaching a new experience. So what was metaphorical to the Jew has become literal to the Greek. And they are the pioneers of that message to the Western world. And you in turn to the Indians and the Africans. You are looking at a Jewish book to get glasses. You see the Jews

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through Greek glasses, you see the Jews had the idea of sons of God, sons of God, many righteous person, holy person.

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Now, a new idea goes among the Greeks and the Romans that the new Son of God are just coming to Palestine. Man, oh God. Now what was metaphorical, because God has got sons, right, the tongues in your Bible, Book of Genesis chapter six, and the sons of God so the daughters of men, that they were fair in that took them to wipe all the details were six, then when the sons of God came in, and are the daughters of men, and more children to them, they became great men of old men of renown, how many sons we have in Africa and since

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then, in the book of Exodus, God says, Israel is my son, even my firstborn, in the book of Jeremiah, for him is my son, even my firstborn. Then in the New Testament, we are told as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God means if you follow the will and plan of God, you are a godly person, in the language of the Jew, you are a child of God, Son of God, that's what it meant. But not that message was among the Greeks, and they had the main Gods beyond counting. They had the Jupiter, the God of heaven, Vulcan, the god of fire, Neptune, the God of the sea.

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As this was the father of all these gods with as many ways in many children, this is mythology,

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mythology, but where people who believe in mythology, mythology is doing mythologies. So they were imagining that this guy

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was sitting on some planet with his wives and many wives and children and

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Sending songs into the world is Horace is ISIS is Osiris is Apollo is Gemini, you know, what is your projects, you give names to all these Greek gods.

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So now all of these were being sent into the world. So now among them comes a new sound, oh God, Jesus Christ. So what was metaphorical to the Jew became literal to the Greek. And now you are looking at the Jewish book through the glasses.

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Therefore, we have a problem.

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The Jewish note you must look at as an Englishman telling me, his wife is a peach.

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What does he say? I mean, she's perfect in books in speech and behavior. She has a picture of perfection. That's what he means. But I won't tell it to my African friends. He says, you know, this English man who make he's got a wife

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that it makes sense. That's what he said, his wife is a pitch is a pitch.

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So I said, No, you have to look at a Jewish look through Jewish eyes, Muslim book through Muslim eyes, then you say, Now, look, I don't agree with you. But I don't agree. He says, Let the dead bury the dead. How can that people go into Tibet people?

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Sitting they see not hearing they hear not? Neither do they understand? How can you see and not see how can you hear or not hear? You know, you have to look at a Jewish book through Jewish glasses. No problem. There's no I'm not finding faults. I'm only telling you that look, you are looking at the book with different type of glasses.

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Not Be sure. But I do think that you must bear in mind that not everybody who actually studies the Bible. And the New Testament is as

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good as myself, because I'm really not equipped to answer everything.

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I never, ever would even try to remember, it's not my function

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in life, but the fact remains that no matter how much of it, you can put aside in any way, a lot of the people that have studied

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or tutored and have studied for a long, long time have studied the

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ins and outs of the Greeks and the various translations.

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But no matter how you look at it, and even if you just counted the fact that

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the teaching of the Christian, he's that Christ is the Son of God and the only son of God and that the Trinity exists, even if you just countered that

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the teaching of Christ was and he said, he quoted, or at least the Bible, quote, you can do anything about it, you must take it as a holy book. And then it's been directed by the power of God.

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He said that the scriptures are now full with his dying, they had been taught that everything that had to come, and the fulfillment, it all was accomplished in his jeep, and subsequent results.

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And as we learned, as we talk to

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the people that have chosen, we've chosen as disciples, we're only people and very often, people that have chosen to do God's work.

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As human beings, not incapable of actually doing it, they don't have the power. A lot of the people that are chosen as postures as children, who don't have the power to actually speak, they are not good.

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talkers, just put it that way. But that was the part with the, with the faith in God, and with the power of God, he uses them, and he speaks through them. But therefore, that was the only string, I do not have a teaching, they did not have the power to do not have the self confidence. They would never achieve anything on the earth. And they use power that he gives independence. And that is what we mostly believe, will certainly come from

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that God chooses the most pretentious

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to speak his word. Because in that way, you can also see that it is God. Because there are so many good speakers, our politicians for testify to that. Right? They could stand up and they could convince you that black was watching Mark was back 30 often, right? Maybe not you maybe not me, but there was a lot of people that could comment.

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And that basically God is not looking for those people. Yes, because those people could misuse and abuse his power. But it's the ordinate effect, the hammer that he can use

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portraying what he's getting at exhaust on a human will never see eye to eye on the concept of Jesus Christ. Yes. I think that the actual

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approach to people as a whole desire for them to be peaceful, and chuco exist without bitterness. And without this frenzy, and I am this and I have that new audit. I think I think that is a very true essence amongst all of us. Because in this country, we've seen what it does to people, I think every country probably sees it. Maybe I'm being partisan here saying we know more about it in other countries. But really, I think we do know a lot, because there's so many different, we really are an expansion, Southern Africa. Now look, this book here, you see, there is a common denominator between us, between us. And that is Jesus Christ. He said that if I don't go, he won't come. Nevertheless, I

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tell you the truth, it is expedient for you, that I go away. JOHN, Chapter 16, verse seven, it is this simple English, it is expedient for you, it's better for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him

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he's not talking about himself. If I don't go, he won't come. But if I go, I will send him.

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Right. So now it is the Holy Spirit. Is it now we are,

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we are mature people is that's the easiest thing in the world to say is the Holy Spirit

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is telling you that if I go, don't go, he won't come.

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But if I go, I will send him. So that means the Holy Spirit was not there with him. This confidence was not there with him. If it is the Holy Spirit, then it doesn't make sense, because in the book of Luke, first chapter was 41. It tells us that Elizabeth had the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, before Jesus was born. You see, look

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at the Bible. Nobody can read it. Luke chapter one, verse 41, says, and Elizabeth had the Holy Ghost, then it says, and john the baptist had the Holy Ghost on his mother's

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day. So the book says he had what it means I don't understand. But it says, john the baptist had the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb. Then it tells us

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that this Holy Ghost

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was helping Jesus and His ministry was helping the disciples. Because when they went out on the mission of preaching healing, I'm asking me to help, if not the help of the Holy Ghost. When they did the miracles, the disciples, and they preached the disciples with whose help.

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Then before Jesus Pilate, he said, received the Holy Ghost. Received means like I received this book, but I won't give it to

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you. Isn't that what Jesus did? He said, received he the Holy Ghost did the Odin day.

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He said, we see until you receive now not when you die and be resurrected, you'll get this book as I

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receive this message. Please see the Holy Ghost. Did anyone have the Holy Ghost?

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Right, so she had it.

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The john the baptist have the Holy Ghost.

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Then Then he says, If I don't go, he won't come. But he's there already with everybody. Everybody seems they've got the Holy Ghost and you said, Nah, he's gonna say afterwards or even afterwards, Elisabet, Henrik, john the baptist had it, the disciples of Jesus had it. And Jesus said, you see,

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then he said, when he The Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide us to all to all your problems is going to solve. So 2000 years have gone and asking all the people who claim to have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, every church says it. Jehovah's Witnesses said the seven deadly sins, they say got it into the Lutheran, the Roman Catholic churches, everybody said he's got the Holy Ghost. And

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they all say they've got it. So I'm asking them this Holy Ghost in 2000 years. What did he tell you about problem of racism?

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Which is already didn't tell you give me I want only one is that I have yet many, many in English means more than one. And we'll get into all truth all means more than one. I take it. I just want one new thing that the Holy Ghost told any Christian Church in 2000 years with Jesus already didn't tell you in so many different words one, and you have a good excuse to say look, I am not a mission, add divinity and I said okay, we got a priest who knows someday a

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priest, or a bishop, anybody who's prepared to sit and chat with me. am prepared to organize a meeting. What should you be done to make yourself

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Right. Is that a Catholic institution? No, that sounds like a menu typical here.

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So now you have a big man of your church. I am prepared to organize a meeting in Kings Park at my expense to discuss, you know, is it like the divinity of Christ? Who is Jesus God, you believe his God. That means your job responsibilities God, we will discuss that get 40,000 people there at my expense, come and talk to them. When I think you'll get something bones, Ella legs and silica. What am I asking you I have not asked him anything. But it says Now, if you have a man, you think he moves anything about religion, come along and present your case at my expense to 40,000 people, I will advertise and get the 40,000 you just come and speak for an hour isn't Jesus God? And you have

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to believe otherwise we'll go to hell. Because salvation will come to the blood of Jesus. Come and deliver your message at my expense. I get 40,000 customers for you. If you say no, then something's wrong with you with your truth.

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You agree? If you're a minister, whatever with the Roman Catholic or Lutheran Presbyterian, when I create an opportunity for you in Kings Park to get 40,000 people at my expense, and you're not prepared to come and talk. There's something wrong with you.

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Or something. thing comes back to the misunderstanding of the interpretation, right? That's what I want to Correct, correct? No, no. So what it means is now I'm talking to the people, I know that in the 40,000 people, I said at least 30,000

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is good right idea. Our minister hasn't got the right concept. So there's no host taken, we don't know who won and who lost nothing. He just you present your case I present my case is not a debate, a symposium at my expense, and believe there isn't a Christian born in this country, especially a white Christian who's prepared to take the challenge I give you if you have a bishop, I give you 10,000 Rand, any of you if you can give me your bishop to enter into a symposium. symposium not debate symposium, you present your case, you say Christ died for your sins. So we'll say no, Christ didn't die for anybody says, I says you're Miss reading that book. simple, basic English, you have

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misunderstood Jesus. When he returns after three days after his alleged crucifixion, he goes into that place with the Last Supper. And when he says, Please be unto you. The disciples are terrified. So I'm asking why should they be terrified? If you meet your long Roadmaster, your uncle, your grandfather,

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especially Eastern people, the Jews and Arabs,

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which is one of the instead of doing that they're terrified. I wonder why they're terrified. So Luke tells us, he said they were affected because they thought he was a spirit.

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He says they thought he was a spirit. So I'm asking, did he look like a spirit?

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Who rules is not there? So why should they think the man is a spirit really didn't look like one

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language and talking about what's written in black and white. So I said, you see, the reason is because the disciples of Jesus, they will not eyewitnesses or witnesses to the happenings. They only heard everything from hearsay. Mark, chapter 14, verse 50, tells us that is the most comfortable change in the life of Jesus. All his disciples for Superman fled All I'm asking you sister, does it all mean all in your language? Or does it mean all?

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So now because all the knowledge are here say they thinking they heard the man was crucified, he gave up the ghost means he had died. Now he's been married for three days. They're expecting to be stinking in his grave. Such a man you see Nigeria terrified. So Jesus says in answer to illustrate the fears, he said, Behold, my hands and my feet. This is basic English King's English, English. Behold, have a look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, and the same fellow man damn fools. What are you afraid of before you say handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me here.

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If I am I split, I won't have this. So if I've got this I'm not that

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simple, basic English. I want to talk to some English people who know English. A DD even knows English is a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me. And they've heard him and they believe not for Joe, I'm reading. I'm reading what the book says. and wonder what happened when we thought the man was dead in bed. He said he had something to eat. And they gave him a piece of lionfish and a honeycomb. And he took it and he asked in the very sight to provide there is a post is this book is the Spirit.

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The same for the man then for the greater reward. So now, come talk to me. I want some English speaking people to tell me Mr. D that you don't understand English you see in English when you say a spirit

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flesh and bones means a spirit has flesh and bone. I want an English paper or the Zulu, come and tell me, isn't it?

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Tell me are you Africana?

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In that Academy, you African, tell me that in my language when it says,

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it doesn't mean that Mr. D that you don't know my language. I'm talking your language, not Hebrew, Greek as the language that you speak in your language, I read the book, and I said, Look, this is how I understood or misunderstood. Please help me. And there isn't a Christian born who's prepared to help me. There's something wrong. And I'm telling you come and tell in public. Let's demonstrate to the oldest Hey, look, this guy doesn't English.

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He was not a spiritual No, but resurrected.

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Once you resurrected, Jesus is telling you, when you're resurrected, you become a spirit. Paul says, it is old enough to all men wants to die. And after that attachment, this is that which is dead, it is soul, a physical body and it is raised a spiritual body doesn't say that.

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God is able, he doesn't say that God is able to lead you to Jesus says, Look, this is the law of God that wants to die. When we bury you in in weakness, and we raise you in power. We bury you

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in this and we bury you in a physical body. And we have a spiritual body than Jesus talking about that woman, the Jews came to him. He says, you know, Master, there was a woman among us, she had seven husbands.

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according to Jewish practice, seven guys had her we wouldn't know the resurrection, which guy's gonna have her because they all had her here. Remember that?

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So what does he say to that? He says,

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in answer to that, he says, You see that? His body says, neither shall they die anymore. If you are resurrected, you will be immortalized, you can die again. See, Paul said, Because ordinary old man wants to die. And after that the dead man you can die twice, so that it is ordained and to all men wants to die, this is here

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that that person was dead. See, once they are resurrected, they will not they will be spiritually dead. They will be analyzed, they will be spiritualize. They'll be spiritual creatures of the spirits, for the equalent to the angels and the children of God for such other children of the resurrection. Such what spirits.

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Jesus says they'll be spirits pauses, there'll be spirits, you say there'll be spirits because it only these bodies coming up from the grave from Adam to eternity. Can you imagine every human being with his flesh and blood walking this earth? They will be human, you'll be walking in your own myths. It doesn't just bring us back to the fact that you

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were talking about it a translation into English and again,

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nothing wrong with the translation, you must tell me that the translation is wrong. So the Christian must tell me that our learned men they didn't translate properly. The man is telling you a spirit is no flesh and bones it translated correctly, but your understanding because now your salvation depends on that. So you are now you feel the camera salvation this guy is taking solution from you? No, no, this is where the problem is. You are not thinking and you're not reading what's written there. We must read what is written there the man tells you that his spirit has no flesh and bones he's telling you that you don't accept me Now am I cases is no exception. This is spirit and then I

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want to assure that the same fellow man something read and he starts eating broccoli romanichal to grow what is resurrected for that is the same. What is improving?

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So this is the down look, we are all begging the question because man this is my salvation I'm

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gonna let go is an easier way. Now. In john, john chapter four was, was one was three says, His Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, or we many false prophets have gone out into the world. Remember,

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the false prophet is a false spirit. true prophet is a true spirit. This word spirit is used anonymous here for a profit. Below, believe it believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are a God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. How do you know a false prophet is going to follow spirit, crew profit over the crew spirit. But how are we to know? Is it the spirit that confess it that Jesus is the Christ is of God? you read that? The spirit that confess at that look, he said that Jesus is a true Messiah, Christ, the Messiah is of God. You remember reading that? Right? So I said none of this is the book is giving you a test to apply. But

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your people are terrified. I'm telling you look this way, they said

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The proof on the false this test is that is this prophet comes to you and he says he's a prophet of God asked him, is Jesus the Christ? He says, No, then you have to reject him.

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That's what it says that that look, the spirit that confess it, that Jesus is the crisis of God means is this true prophet. So now, you open chapter three, I give you the page, chapter three, chapter three, we are present in you. So you can open up chapter three, there is a page

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chapter three,

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verse 42, chapter three, Page Number

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42 will be page 134. Right? page 134. Very easy to add, page 134.

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PAGE 134.

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Got it, man. I'm looking at verse 45. Now, it says, Behold, the angel said or marry God, given the glad tidings of a word from him. His name will be Christ Jesus. You read it, sir. It says in Arabic, Merciful, the same as Messiah, mercy, Mama, Jesus Christ, the son of Mary. So Mohammed is testifying that Jesus is the Christ. That's the book, this book of Islam. What do you want to know that he was born miraculously? The same verses on? You read the page 42 hours 47 next page. She said when she was given the good news about the Buddha, the Holy Son. She said, Oh my Lord, how shall I have a son when no man has touched me? He said, The angel says in reply, even So God created what he will it

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when he had decreed a plan, he would say to me, and it is and God will teach him the book and wisdom, the law and the gospel talking about Jesus Christ. Mohammed testifies that Jesus is the Messiah, that he is a true messenger of God. And he was born miraculously, with many modern day Christians don't believe today. This is 1400 year old book that you're reading now. 1400 years ago, this is what Muhammad says about Jesus, that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God. He was born miraculously. He gave life to the dead by God's permission. He was born blind and the liberals met God's permission, but he's not God. And he's not physically not his son. So now we

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can read. He is not God used to know his goddess letters these come the Bible says come let us reason together. The Quran says yeah, like a Pap, Allah. So people have Luca, let's come, let's talk. What are you afraid of?

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If you are afraid, then there's something wrong.

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I wouldn't have spoken all these things.

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I was tasked to speak about otherwise, it would have been just in place. Nice came in.

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And you might have gone, you know, more happier than maybe now, I don't know. But now this book here, this encyclopedia, which is being presented to you 2000 pages. I don't expect anybody to read through it too much, especially when we are all involved in a rat race. At the back of this volume, is an index, just browse through the index, or do you want to know anything you want to know?

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What do you want to know about marriage? You will find him you'll know about divorce will finally be given about heaven or hell and the edge you will know about Jesus and the J so open. Jesus, you wanna know anything about Jesus? So let's see, J. J. Jesus.

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Jesus page 183718 371-837-1837 187. Jesus?

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Yes. 18371837137 is Jesus, you know, rather than when, rather than rather than rather than 187 187?

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You're getting here, alpha, J, J.

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Four j now. And that's right. Jesus. First item is a righteous prophet is a true prophet of God. Jesus second item, his book describing two places he is opposed to Israel, his disciples taken up like Adam, not crucified, nor the apostle, not God sent with gospel, not Son of God. His message in miracles he plays for table ovens. He taught me false worship. He did his disciples declared themselves Muslims, his mission limited. His followers have compassion and mercy, his disciples as God's help us as a sign prophesied map, which is the Comforter, Muhammad. So now you don't have to agree with everything that you read this and I look, this is what this book says you don't have to

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solve it is another look, but I don't accept this right. Let us come

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Reason together, maybe we might be able to see the light. Maybe you can rectify as izanagi people are very good people, sincere people, but you know, you have lost us on salvation, which is like this like that like that we can reason then the end of it. Suppose I don't accept stubbornly, I'm destined for hell. So sure, as

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you could see, because when you show me if I show you something, you can see but sometimes vested interests that require us to be nice, and I can't see I can't see it, but in your house, in my house.

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So what happens is, as time goes on your best ever make this thing forever, because you will not do to yourself. So that is left to God. But for us, now, we go through it. I can see about God what he said about God. He said, I agree, I agree. I agree everything he said about what I agree, but only things I said that God is Jesus said, Now, wait a minute. Now this book says no, he is not God. And is not the Begotten Son of God. begetting is an animal act, it belongs to the lower animal functions of sex, we are not to attribute such a quality to God, the Muslim reasons is no, no, but You see, God is only he's the only begotten Son. Because you said now he's the only son as a no, you don't

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know your Bible, God has got sons by the tongues in your Bible, but isn't his only begotten Son. So you see, this would be cotton in the first in chapter three of john, john three 616. This is God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son for sacrifice. So now you look every modern translation of the Bible done by your learned men, the word we got Miss thrown out is a fabrication. We did it this book says Yes, sir. Yeah.

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Okay, so

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I would like to bring your proceedings to a close. I'm sure we can chat. Only after that. Socrates, my indeed a pleasure. To have you people here. I'd like to call upon the president of the Durban business humanist professional to

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say a few words father and Todd.

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Mr. deedat, Mr. Ma cat, I'd like to thank you all, on behalf of our club for immersed and laughing experience, we've been quite overwhelmed with the welcome that we have received.

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And I hope that we can actually come back again, because I think we have absorbed a tremendous amount. And there is so much to learn, and so much talking to be done, in order to try and build the bridges of understanding, as you yourselves have said,

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it's been very enlightening for me.

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I certainly have had my eyes opened on many misconceptions that I think many, many people have. And I'd like to thank you for the tremendous hospitality. And I'm delighted to receive a copy of the Qur'an because I've wanted one for years and years and years.

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So much.

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Now, if you want to say something, but if you have any context, like with Bishop Hurley can tell,

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for example,

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my my group were charismatic. Yes, we are not the Orthodox Church, he needs me to say, we're not a man to any of them. And not that we are against any of those views. We have combined services with all of them. It's just simply that we have a preference attack of worship, which is preferential to us. Just as some people are clearing I I like wearing a certain type of current. Stupid.

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Right, but it's just a particular preference, but ours isn't, is not

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going that way. We are just put it as a class and

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a family loving kids, you know,

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we don't have a big end versus the big shots.

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Even then, a group does a church group, we don't mind you know, taking your church group around. And then you have people who might be a little more experienced in the scriptures and yourself.

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I'm sure so now at least then then then you can sit back relaxed, you say and listen. It's easier that way. Then sooner look directly the man's asking me and you know, says Look, I'm not equipped with

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doing our teachings.

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Agreed.

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Agreed.

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Agreed. But now suppose you tell us something like new thing this guy's talking about? Everything that we say he's the guy says, nah, you have misunderstood. You know, either your your charismatic group or the Roman Catholic Church, or the Methodist church or any So look, you have misunderstood. So now if you if I think you have misunderstood, and I'm prepared to

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sciton allow you to reprogram me

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to listen to you. Come Tell me where I have gone off. How's it that I haven't understood your English Bible? I said, Look, I understand I think every word that's written there, in spirit has no flesh and bones. Now, explain that to me, Jesus Christ. You see, he was ever in hiding. He never came out into the open, he gave a sign to the Jews. He said, The only sign remember, they said, for this is an evil and adulterous generation secret after the sign, but they should notice and be given in to it, except the son of the prophet Jonah. For his Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, social the Son of man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth.

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Look, he's giving you a sign the proof. He said to me that I'm a true man. And this is the proof, the sign the miracle. So I'm asking the learned men of Christianity. What was that song? Finish? Believe me, Look, there isn't a Christian learned when you say Jesus gave a sign? Matthew chapter 12, verse 1313, and 14, he gave a sign, the only sign the sign of Jonah. So I'm asking what was the sign of Jonah? Finish?

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Believe me, Look, I'm telling you, this is my 40 years experience with the Learn admin of Christianity, not with ordinary people. What was the same as a look?

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If you want to know as a scientist as a go to the book of john, is only one page in an encyclopedia of 2000 pages also one page, it will take you two minutes to read. But you don't have to do that. Every Sunday school child knows the story of Jonah, attitude. Every Muslim, Hindu, Christian, everybody knows Jonah and the way so I said, you know Jonah was sent to the ninevites. If you remember, God has him go to Nineveh to warn the people to repent in sackcloth and ashes. But instead of going to Nineveh, he goes to drop Jaffa and it takes about in his running away. So at sea there is a storm and according to the superstitions of the marina Has anybody who runs away from his

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masters command k Santa Toma. Let's see. So they begin to question who can be responsible for this storm is not subsiding. So Jonah realizes that he is a guilty man, because he's running away from his duty God tells him to go to Nineveh and is unable to drop

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trash. So he said, Look, I'm the guilty man threw me overboard, and to be alright with you What is after my blood, and in the process of missing the boat, but you even some people will die. You rather take me threw me overboard. This human good man, since we saw you nice man, holy man, maybe you want to commit suicide, you want us to help you? We won't do that. We have our own system of knowing right from wrong. And that is what is called casting of lots head or tail, head or tail. And according to the casting of the Lord, it came to the turn of Jonah. Jonah was a guilty man. So far, so good, correct, man. I couldn't tell you exactly.

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No, but this New Testament, Jesus tells you so yes. So now he's telling you the only sign is that of Jonah. So if you want we can go to the book of Jonah. One day, it won't take you two minutes. But you don't have to do that because everyone knows the story. So when they threw Jonah into the sea, my question to the learned man of Christianity is was he did was a lie. And they all say he was alive. If fish comes and gobbles him dead or alive. He said he was alive from the fish's belly. He prays to God for help. All that, you know, you ask God to help do that people pray. No. So he was alive. He said, Yes. On the third day was on the seashore. La. He's thrown into the sea alive. And

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he comes out alive. He was alive, alive, alive, alive. Am I correct? Can I

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live? Like Jesus said for us, Jonah was the Son of man be watching watch on one susun just like June. So I'm asking how was Jonah for three days and three nights in the bass Valley. Everybody said he was alive. So I said how was Jesus for three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. He said he was dead. I said in your language.

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In your language, I want to know you Africa, in your languages. Zulu, in your language in English people in your language is that like or unlike Jesus said, I will be like Jonah. And you telling me your church, every church that he was unlike Jonah, I want to know who's lying. You are Jesus. I want the people to talk to me. I wanna know who's lying. So when I met today, I look forward to meeting

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an incredibly limited man, Mr.

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Wood. But what am I going to show you

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if I'm wrong? Mr. Lucas is like in your language. She said I'll be like Jonah. Now is that in your language like Ron, like you said, unlike someone who's lying to him, Jesus language you like he called a million Christian 1 billion pieces.

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Do you all liars are Jesus Christ was a lie you tell me

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10 to 16 schools

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but I can understand how to upset some people

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I'm telling you is like what unlike so your salvation you don't people don't know the answer. I said look in your language when it was Yona Oh, nice was Jonah.

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Jonah

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to be safe

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in the power of saying more than

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Do you believe you

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should

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consider negotiate because

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they're very hard to

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cross

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very dedicated

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to Jesus Christ,

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Christianity or

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Jesus as rewarding

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as maintaining your shoulder

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from time to time.

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He has a second show to show

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where the team

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can discuss this

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the most hypocritical of

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the whole 1000 years no for 2000 years. Christianity hasn't.

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It was an absolute failure. The whole religion is a failure.

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The religion never said if this is the true understanding or your conquest of the world

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by turning the other cheek.

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You as good Christians

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know you conquered it already. Australia eliminated the Aboriginals of Australia. You did your nations

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the regions of America you wipe them out. You see genocide genocide.

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For religious freedom during the

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story.

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the generation of white, white and separatists