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Good morning and welcome to today on Saturday. I'm Tracy Grimshaw coming up soon on the program. We'll meet Shaikh Ahmed deedat. The Muslim missionary who chose Good Friday to deliver a message many Christians regard as an affront first this morning to a story that has scandalized local church leaders this Easter weekend. Shaykh Ahmed deedat is a South African Muslim missionary who's in Australia to deliver a provocative message in his lecture Easter a Muslim viewpoint in a country that prides itself on the right to free speech. It is not the content of his lecture that's caused a front it's the timing Shaykh deedat delivered his speech on the most solemn day of the Christian
calendar. Good Friday, Shaykh deedat joined me earlier. Good morning to you. Good morning. What's the purpose of your visit to Australia?
My purpose is to educate my people, as well as the Christians in this country in regards to our relationship with Christianity, because Islam is the only non Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith for its followers to believe in Jesus. Muslim is a Muslim, he does not believe in Jesus. See the bulk of mankind, the non Muslims, they do not know that in this holy book of ours, the Holy Quran
Jesus Christ, that in this vast volume, you know, Muhammad, the so called author of this book, The Quran,
he is mentioned,
far less time than Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ in this book is mentioned 500% more times than Muhammad. But you don't believe that the Christian version of what happened at Easter is the correct version is true. What? What's your version? So this is now number one that people don't know that we believe in Jesus is one of the mightiest messengers of God. We believe in his miraculous birth, which many modern day Christian, including the bishops of the Anglican Church, they don't believe today, but we believe we believe that Jesus was the Messiah, translated Christ. And we believe that he gave life back to the dead by God's permission, and he was born blind in the lepers by God's
permission. And we believe that God took him up, and he's coming back. Now, all this, the Christian doesn't know. He only knows that now we disagree with what we disagree with.
Now, what is the reason? Why is it that we want to be different? You want to be funny? What makes the Muslim different from the Christian, but you don't believe that Jesus died and was resurrected Easter, right? So we say, the Christian is boasting that on these three days is even four days, the passion of Jesus, there were 300 Old Testament prophecies fulfilled on this day. But I am telling them that the one that got away, you see in fishing, I'm an angler. And when we talk, we talk about the one that got away, the one that got away the one that was not fulfilled. I'm here to educate people about the one that got away. And he will upset Christians, though, why don't you You must, I
suppose concede that motive is to educate, but can I can I put to you if we could just concentrate on this one particular issue? At the moment? Can I put to you that it will be considered insensitive by many Christians that you have chosen Easter to come and deliver this message?
I had no plans whatsoever. Some months ago, they were asking me for the blank slot that I have in my programs.
So it's a coincidence that it's easy. It is unbelievable. That my very first major lecture happened to be on Good Friday, extraordinarily.
But coincidences do happen. But now, to me, this is the most appropriate subject for the day. Let's see on Christmas. On Christmas Day, the birth of Jesus we're supposed to celebrate. I'm talking about the passion of Jesus. You know, what happened to him and how he died and then they beat him up. Doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense when you talk about Easter at Christmas time. It doesn't make sense. You talk about Easter Easter time. All right? Well, let's say at Ramadan, the pope goes to Tehran and says you've got it all wrong. Right. Okay. How would he be received his book? His Holiness? Yeah, just coincidence that you look, you mentioned his name. He has just
written a book called crossing the threshold of hope. It had become the world's bestseller in 12 countries immediately on publication.
In this he says, We must have a dialogue with the Muslims. So suppose it's a coincidence that Ramadan is the occasion when he happens to be in Tehran, and we are having a dialogue. He says, Now look up, man, you're killing yourself. Who the pope is reasonably as he said, you know, you Muslims, you pray five times a day, every day of the year. Then you know, that whole month of Ramadan
You will go to a hunger and thirst because from before sunrise to sunset, the Muslim new eating, no drinking, no smoking, no smoking. So what kind of life? Are you people leading? Is your God hungry for that? Is your God hungry for your prayers? Is he hungry for your fasting?
He says no. Now he has a right. He has a right to say, look, there is an easy way. Can I ask you this? Are you expecting travel on your visit to Australia? Because you I noticed you have two bodyguards in the studio here. It is the first time in my life. I don't know Australia is a Rough Country. I'd like the old cowboy days. I don't know the cowboys and cooks be seen at that maybe this vast continent.
As Australia has enshrined in its democracy freedom of speech shake. I don't think I've experienced it very much. I appreciate it. But you don't. You don't know what's going on. Like when I go to America the rest? I don't know there's a cowboys and cooks still around. Today, with a guns
blazing away. Can I ask you this? Why do you believe that we must all worship the same God. I mean, we don't all eat the same food. We don't all speak the same language. Why must we all worship the same God? Why isn't there room for us all to differ? We can be we must tolerate each other points of views differences. But everybody is aiming to get a consensus. Everybody, the Christian wants the whole world to be christianized true or false. Look at the present moment. There are 35,000 Crusaders occupied in Africa is in the dust. Not priests, ministers of the church, but Crusaders from America. They want to change the continent want to make Africa a continent in 1977. In
Indonesia, there were 6000 Crusaders trying to convert the Indonesians and they have succeeded so far in converting 15 million Indonesian into Christianity. And by the turn of the century, they want to make Indonesia christian nation. Now this is an aim and noble aim from the Christian point of view. Similarly now, since Christianity is a missionary religion, Islam also is a missionary religion. As much as the question is how to share his faith with the rest of mankind. We also want to share our faith with the rest of mankind. And Islam. I don't know whether you know, is the fastest growing religion in the world. In the West, in Britain, there are more Muslims and
Methodists. All right. I still think there'd be plenty of people who question your timing but thank you for your time.
A controversial South African Muslim missionary visiting Australia has found reason to thank his critics shake Amma de dodge says those who have criticized the timing of his first Australian lecture have done him and enormous favor. One opponent, the head of the Wesley mission says an anticipated attack on Christianity on Good Friday is scandalous, as he embarks on his first Australian tour Shaykh Ahmed deedat says he hopes to educate Muslims about Christianity and Christians about Islam this Good Friday, what they're talking about these things didn't happen. And my proof is from the Bible itself, and the timing of the first public rally on Good Friday. Town
Hall has created a storm Can you imagine if Christians hired the Sydney town hall to deny that Muhammad was a prophet to attack the Koran and to displace Islamic faith in the middle of Ramadan? What would happen? I'll tell you what I would have to join Salman Rushdie tour organizers said I hope Reverend Moyes will meet the shake to discuss the differences between the two religions but we are not attacking we just want to explain whether you believe or not. It is up to you. This shake believes Reverend Moyes has done him a great favor. We have ignored me.
Do your newspapers and your radios and your TVs would have never known that the dead had come and gone. The New South Wales Ecumenical Council declined to comment on this sensitive matter, saying it does not want to inflame the relationship between Christians and Muslims particularly at this holy time. While the Australian federation of Islamic councils welcomes shake and I made dudettes visit, but it disappointed that it clashes with their annual Congress.
Plans for a Muslim lecture to be held at the Sydney Town Hall on Good Friday have sparked a religious route. South African Muslim leader Sheikh Ahmed deedat has offered Christian church leaders have a chance to join the theological debate, but they've rejected it because the event coincides with one of the holiest days in the Christian calendar. 78 year old Shaykh Ahmed deedat has taken on religious leaders throughout the world, arguing the teachings of Islam with evangelists like Jimmy Swaggart, you're not taking exception to that because this is you're not used to the LMS but it's the timing of his Easter visit. That's upset Christian church leaders. That shake is made
on Good Friday at no less venue than the Sydney town hall to argue the Islamic view that Jesus was a prophet but not the Son of God. It's out of love and respect that the Christian says Jesus is God. And out of love and respect, we say Jesus is not God. But the head of Wesley mission claims the shake is being insensitive is Judas speak on Good Friday the most holy day in the Christian calendar. That is a very offensive approach to Christians. Mr. deedat admits the two faiths have fundamental differences, but believes public debate will lead to greater tolerance in this last volume, the name Muhammad Ali five times.
Jesus August 25 times 500% more time than
Reverend Moyes has been invited to take the stage with a shake during his Good Friday address. It's an invitation the Reverend has declined
a war of words has erupted this leads to between Sudanese Christian leaders and a visiting Islamic scholar. The Christians are outraged that the Muslim missionary has chosen to hold a public rally today. But this Easter has seen a religious war of words over a visit by a leading South African Islamic missionary. It has Christian leaders hopping there once incense Christian leaders about the visit of this Islamic scholar quite apart from the message itself is the timing of the event. Christians are incensed that Sheikh Ahmed deedat has chosen Good Friday, a Christian festival to launch his public rally. Could you imagine what would happen if the Christians of the community took
the Sydney Town Hall in the middle of Ramadan and started to derive Muhammad and indicate that the Koran is incorrect, but the man at the center of the storm Sheikh Ahmed deedat doesn't know what all the fuss is about, to me decided by God it is childish. I don't want to go deeper into that.
The Catholic and Anglican Easter message is centered on trust violence and our descent into savagery progressively. We are becoming an arrogant, ruthless bullying society. And that is not our inheritance. We develop thicker and thicker hearts to protect ourselves. And as we lose trust, we lose hope.
I seek refuge from Allah from the water Shakedown,
In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful
thanks in boast, we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah, but they killed him not know crucified him
only a likeness of what was sent
out witnesses and knowledge, but only conjecture to follow. For the surety they kill him Do not
anomalies Exalted in Power wise.
I will be letting the shaytan al rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
while holding him in Catalan Merci de Santa Maria Manasa Rama Rama gotta do who hoo Wah masala boo. Well, I can shoot.
We're in a lesson a fella foofy Luffy Shakti min mala
electabuzz mama Cthulhu yochanan but Rafa boo La la la la hora de, Mr. Chairman, and my dear brothers and sisters.
I'm grateful to God Almighty,
for spearing this old machine
to be able to come across the Indian Ocean
into a country which might be we'll call down under
the second set down under the country down under here on the globe of the world is it this is the country which is down under I don't know how you people managed to remain here.
You had a paper down and so for the first time in my life I had the experience of coming to your great country and I enjoyed your hospitality I'm grateful to your to your government for granting me a visa and the people that the way have, they have responded to me in every way making life easy for me. I can never thank them enough. And I praise God that no Almighty reward you
then I have some unique experiences I've had in the last couple of days.
When I in the in the Middle Ages in Europe, these to say
see Venus and dy
meaning that's the Acme the greatest thing that instance Venus in the city on the waters, the waterways, Venus in Italy, it is Venus, Venus, Venice, see Venice and die. Now I can go back to my country and tell my people see Sydney and die.
no, this is not just to flatter you my brothers and sisters, by God does not my intention. I have seen something in your country.
Which the biologists and zoologists can't.
something that is neither fish nor fowl.
It's not a reptile. It's not a mammal.
It's not a bird.
What is it? What is it? I saw, and I glorified God.
Because the Quran says when I see something like that, I am to say for the Baraka low axonal, highly keen. So glory to God, the best to create here is something that he has created with nobody can classify.
And you have it
on your doorstep.
What is that? Anybody who's got the answer? Just please put up your hand. I'll give you this videotape. I want you to tell me you have something here that nobody can classify.
that opposes you.
Yes, it's a platypus.
it has a bit of a duck.
Seems like a duck. It lays eggs. That's a bird.
But it lives in the water like a fish.
And it gives me to its babies.
That's a memo
little feats, that little infant
Is it a fish or a flower? or What is it?
The scientists have not been able to classify, and I say glorify God for having seen it. And so many other things I saw in your zoo,
which at every step, I said Fatah Baraka, Allah subhanaw taala again, so glory to God, the best to create for the Baraka lo XML file again, so glory to God the best to create.
So I'm going to tell my people CCD, and di is a beautiful place to visit and die here to
coming to the subject of this evening's talk, as it was advertised Easter, a Muslim viewpoint.
What makes Good Friday? Good. That's a question in the advertisement. What makes Good Friday, good.
I want some Christian gentleman or lady to tell me that, and I will present them with this book, this Encyclopedia of Islam, the Holy Quran 2000 pages, text translation commentary, I want to present it to somebody who will give me a I want a Christian, an answer from the Christian. What makes Good Friday good.
great, great, I wanted this simpler isn't that Christ died for our sins. But you said that you said that, in so many words. That is the answer. This is yours.
I'm told by learned men that in this three critical days of Easter, Good Friday,
that Saturday, and Sunday, these three days, the 300 prophecies were fulfilled
in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 300 Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled.
Now the sceptic this evening is
the one that got away. You see, I'm an Angular catfish. And the greatest thrill is in telling people so well, I brought this few fishes enough otherwise to fly we enjoy it. But it's not the one that got away. You know, the one that didn't catch you know, it was such a big
block. No, that that that the truth, the one that got away. So I said here is the fish that got away.
And that fish happens to be a whale, a whale of a fish.
You have heard about Jonah and the whale.
Who doesn't know Jonah and the whale?
Everybody knows there is even little children in a you know Jonah in the whale. So but the whale that got away
Jonah's whale got away. You see the only prophecy made directly by Jesus Christ, about what was going to happen.
And in that he gives the example of Jonah
is this funny nature of men, that when a man of God comes along, to save mankind,
mankind has a tendency to put obstacles in their way. They want that man of God to show them a sign, some miracle, some circus tricks, do something man that which I can do, then I think I'll give you credit that maybe you are a man of God.
That this a sickness of men instead of listening to the man what the man is telling you whether it's good or bad, no, no, I want you to perform some tricks. Can you stand on your head?
Can you stand on your head can get legs in the air, what can you stand on one hand? This is what mankind is looking from this man of God. So we find the sickness. It's common.
In the Holy Bible, in the New Testament, in the Gospel of St. Matthews, we read that when Jesus Christ claimed that he was the Messiah,
the Anointed One, translated Christ.
The Jews were not satisfied with his bona fides. So they came to him.
Matthew, chapter 12, verse 3839 40,
they come to him, and they say, Master,
demeanor, sarcastic, sarcastic, didn't mean it. Master in the Hebrew language,
we would have a sign of the we want you to show
to convince us that you are the genuine man of God.
This was uncalled for. So Jesus,
react very strongly, very strongly. He said, an evil and adulterous generation, secret after a sign and which a low sign be given to it.
An evil and adulterous generation. In modern language, don't use modern terminology for that. You can think as you like, an evil and adulterous generation secret after a sign, and they shall no sanghvi given them to it, except the son of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of Man meaning himself, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the middle of the earth. The only sign the only miracle I'm giving you about my mana feeder is the sign of Jonah. The miracle of Jonah is my miracle.
And I'm asking again,
what was that sign? If any Christian can tell me that? I have a mega volume to give away? I want the Christian to answer that. What was that sign? The sign of Jonah? What was that sign? Any Christian? Please? Put up your hand put up your hand. And I will call you maybe right? You must have it at the first shot. Any Christian to tell me what was that sign? The sign of Jonah?
What? Yes, my son is
no the sign of Jonah. Which means what? The miracle of Jolla sign means a miracle.
Not roadside stop, you'd go not roadside sign here in the in the French Bible the word is miracle miracle. That's the right word in English miracle, but the English Bible says sign the Bible says miracle
Yes, my son finished that.
So no, we want something that what was the miracle of Jonah, which he is talking about? Now you my brother.
then he goes on to explain what that is.
able to speak without moving.
we want an explanation. Say what was that saying? Not a lecture
now please, please, please, please please, my dear brother, please do
Simple Look, look, look. Yes, your brother, brother, please listen to me. Listen to me. Look, there was gentlemen, straightforward answer. There was another gentleman straightforward answer. Now you bring in. Wait, wait, wait, listen to me now. Are you talking about Josh McDowell? Do these people know about Josh McDowell are talking about
the scripture I quote into the verse. And he said, he said, listen, listen to me. Listen to me. As Jesus said, My sign is a sign of Jonah. What happened to Jonah? Is my miracle. His miracle is my miracle. I'm asking, what was that saying?
You don't have to read it to me. I know your whole Bible upside down.
Please, please, my brothers and sisters. No, no, we don't want.
You see, for 40 years, 40 years, I have been asking learned men of Christianity. What was that sign? And I have had no answer. No Christian can tell you what was that sign?
Please send off.
What was a sign? I said, you see, very easy,
very easy. You have to go to the book of Jonah.
The sign of Jonah, you have to go to the book of Jonah.
But it's difficult. You see, the book of Jonah in the Bible is only one page in 1000 pages to find that one page is difficult, you know, to look for that one page in 1000 pages. It is difficult. But you don't have to go there. If you went to Sunday school, little children. They know the story of Jonah, Jonah and the way everybody knows, the Jewish child knows the Christian child knows the Muslim child knows, everybody knows Jonah in the way
in the book of Jonah,
that God Almighty sends Jonah to the ninevites, a city called Nineveh, a city of 100,000 people in those days, like a great metropolis, like New York, or London in those days. So God Almighty commands, I said, you go to Nineveh and warn the people there to repent, in sackcloth and ashes humbled themselves before the Lord or I will destroy
Jonah, instead of minima. He's despondent that this materialistic people, the evil and debtors generation of his of his time, same like in the time of Jesus is talking to his evil and adulterous generation. Jesus, the evil adulterous generation at the time of Jonah, is that evil people, they will not listen to me. They'll make a mockery of me. So instead of going to Nineveh, he goes to Joppa is modern Java, in Java, modern Java, and it takes a boat and is running away.
x C, there's a storm.
And the storm is not subsided.
And according to the superstition of the marinas
that anybody runs away from his masters command.
Secret such a tamala G. So they began to question who can be responsible
for this? Jonah realizes that he's the guilty man. Because God Almighty told him to go to Nineveh and as a prophet of God is a soldier of God. He must listen to whatever God tells him. He has no right to be presumptious.
He's running away. He's running away from his masters job. So he volunteers his look. And the guilty man.
I'm running away from masters command, and God wants to kill me.
And in the process, he's going to sink the boat to kill me. But you innocent people will die.
It is better for you that you take me and you throw me overboard.
God is after my blood and he'll be satisfied. You people will be safe.
This marinas also a fantastic group of people. Listen.
Since you entered the boat, we have seen you ever prayerful, maybe had the Rosary. Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah. He's ever
devoted to God while he was in the boat. So you are a good man, godly person. We can imagine you being guilty of such a crime. We have our own system.
of discovering, right or wrong.
And that is called a system of casting lots. It's like tossing the coin, Hero tail, head or tail.
So according to that system,
they discovered that Jonah was the guilty man.
They took him and they threw him overboard. The Book of Jonah,
take two minutes to read. But you don't have this is everybody, every child knows this, every Christian knows this. So they threw him overboard and the storm subsided. Perhaps it was a coincidence. But the storm subsided.
And asking the question, when they threw Jonah into the sea, was he did or was he alive?
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. See, I know sometimes when if you said he was not alive, and make you to change if that had been difficult, so I would have said to him before you answered it, I said, I want to make things easy for you to get the right answer. Because once you get the wrong answer, I have to move heaven on earth to make you change the position in order to convince you that you were wrong.
So I would have made things easy for you to get the right answer by telling you that look, Jonah volunteered.
He volunteered, he says through me
and a man who volunteers you don't have to strangle him before throwing. You don't have to break his arm or limb before train. The man What is it throw me? Why you wanna kill him? Why you wanna break his jaw? Nothing. So then I would have asked you was he did or was he alive? And unanimous. 100% you would have shouted Li Russell, the main volunteer? volunteer
so he was alive. Right answer. Right answer. Any child would have answered that.
The fish comes in bubbles
that are alive.
Let me hear again from your ally. Yes, yes. From the fish's belly. He prays to God for help. Do that people pray
deeply with God do they know so what was he dead or alive? Alive?
He's alive. He's alive. On the third day, the fish vomit scene on the seashore. They are li li
and it is the mightiest miracle in the whole Bible.
This is the mightiest miracle of Paul. In the Bible. This is a miracle three times over.
You see, when you throw a man into a raging sea, you're too drunk
to die. If he that is not America.
The fish comes and gobbles a man. A fish is not a respecter of person is you know you are Jonah, you are a prophet of God.
Not fish, no fishing will ever do that.
You know, of a fish gets a big, big, big, big, big bite.
You'll kill the man if he died by the fish is not America is not America. If it didn't it America, heat and suffocation in the belly. three days and three nights you ought to die. He ought to die if he died is not a miracle.
But he's alive. today. He goes into the CIA, he comes out alive. Nor does he say he died in between and he was selected.
That he died and is alive, alive, alive, alive.
And what did Jesus say? Except For as Jonah was Sushil the Son of man be the miracle of Jonah is that he's alive three times over.
When we expect him to be dead.
When we expect them to be dead, he's alive. He's alive. He's alive. Jesus. He said my miracle is the miracle of john.
Now, I'm asking the Christians
that Jonah was alive for three days and three nights
in the whale's belly. Everybody's agreed.
And I'm asking the Christian, the Jesus for the same period of time.
Was he did or was he alive? According to your church? According to your church, according to one 1,500,000,000 Christians, according to you and me, Jonah was alive for three days and three nights and Jesus for three days and three nights. Was he data was he alive?
he was bad
for three days, anything
Realize I am asking the English man. Please, sir, tell me in your language
Jonah is alive. Jesus is dead.
Is that like Jonah? Or unlike Jonah in your language?
No, no, no No use your language. Look, you people taught me English, the British, the British. He conquered my country India. He ruled my country India for 150 years. And I was born a British subject. And I carry a British passport 69 year old a passport which is 69 year old m 78. Now 69 year old passport I got, and I was telling people in London in the Royal Albert Hall, that I'm more British than most of you.
Because at that time over 65 I'm a British passport of 65 years old. How many of you are 65 years old? So I have been a britisher for 65 years then.
I am a British but a British passport. And you people taught me English. People taught me English. So I'm asking the English man in your language. Is this like Jonah? Or unlike Jonah?
Thank you. Thank you, my brother.
Thank you. No, thank you. My brother is unlike Jonah. So if he's unlike Jonah,
then either he was bluffing the people.
Jesus, he is telling he'll be like Jonah and you are telling the truth.
So either he was lying, bluffing, deceiving the people or you have misunderstood.
One of the two, either he was lying. He was bluffing his way through.
Or you have to
tell him either he was lying, or you have misunderstood. I will say he was not lying.
I can't believe that this mighty messenger of God, Jesus Christ, who occupies such a high position in the house of Islam, that he is one of the mightiest messengers of God, we believe Jesus, we believe in his miraculous birth, which many modern day Christians, including the bishops of the Anglican Church, they don't believe today. But we believe that Jesus Christ was born without a human father.
we believe that he was the Messiah, Messiah, translated Christ, we believe he gave like back to the dead is Neela but unless permission, and he was born blind and the lepers permission. And you see, this is our attitude towards this mighty messenger of God. And this mighty messenger of God, Jesus Christ. If I tell you that his he his name occurs in this book of mine, our book the Quran, 500% more time than the name Muhammad, did you know that you Muslim? Do you know that the name Jesus, of course, in our book 500% more times than the name of somebody? Do you know that? Did you know that? Not like
500% more times, the Jesus, son of Mary, even a Marine, he said, No Maria 500% more times and the name Muhammad. Muhammad is supposed to have written this book. It is alleged that he wrote the book, amazing, this author himself, he keeps in and out of the book. And he promotes Jesus.
Amazing, amazing, amazing book.
Just by the way, just by the way, His Holiness, the Pope, john paul, the second, he has just written a book called crossing the threshold of hope.
By pope john paul the second, it became the world's bestseller in 12. Countries immediately on publication in poorer countries, he became the world's best seller. In this book, he has some beautiful things to say about Islam, and the Prophet Muhammad. But there is a chapter he has here in the book about Mary, the mother of Jesus.
And the title of the chapter is Mother of God.
Mother of God, that's a title, the title in the book, he calls Mary, the title is Mother of God.
And he's talking about having a dialogue.
So if I had the opportunity of meeting his holiness, I would have asked him, your holiness, you know, this Mother of God of yours? How many times is she mentioned in your book, the Bible?
How many times and I believe he's not expected to know that.
And there is in the Christian who can give me now I,
in fact, giving this brand away, I'd rather give you $50 me Christian, who can tell me how many times Mary the mother of Jesus is mentioned.
In your book
$50 put up your hand please, I don't want anybody to shout. Just one second. Somebody has a chance if there is, how many times is Mary, the mother of Jesus mentioned in your Bible?
Put up your hand. Be fair to everybody. Anybody?
Let's listen. Just my brother. As a Christian, I want a Christian to answer that please. Give the Christians a chance. Nobody there?
Yes, my brother.
Why is that? Sir?
My dear brother? Simple question. Simple. No, I was not trying to score any points. I said, How many times? How many times? is Mary, the mother of God, your mother of God? Mary, how many times she mentioned in your book, I said the pope is not likely to know that is not a part of his training. I don't blame him for that. I don't blame him for that. But I'm telling you now there is in the Christian bar who can give you that off? There isn't.
My brother walking away. There was no
Welcome to them. That's a prerogative your privilege. You have, we are not forced to come and listen.
If you think is too too heavy for you, my,
in South Africa, in my country, the African you say, you know it's too heavy, it's too heavy.
I don't want you to carry the yoke.
Now, let me tell you, let me tell you, Mary, the mother of Jesus has mentioned in the first three books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark and Luke 17 times
you can remember that now 17 times.
And in the next 24 books of the New Testament, once
would marry occurs in the New Testament 18 times
in this Quran of mine, Mary, the mother of Jesus is mentioned 100% more times than in your Bible. Can you believe it is unbelievable. Mary, the mother of Jesus is mentioned in my book 100% more times than in your book. And you think that we are the enemies?
Actually, actually, actually 32 actually 32 is almost 18 times two is 36 is 32. is near enough, as 100% more times Is that like a figure of speech, but 32 times as against 18.
This is the relationship sheet and there is a chapter chapter in the Quran. In all of the name of the model of Jesus Christ. The name of the chapter is Surah Maryam meanings chapter Mary.
in your Bible, of the Roman Catholic 73 books, Mary is not one of them in your Protestant Bible, 66 books, Mary is not one of them. You have Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, Peter Paul.
Mary is not one of them. It is not there. In my book is enshrined Surah Maryam with the greatest respect in honor of the name of the mother of Jesus Christ. There is a chapter in the Quran. And you consider this to be the enemies
of you trying to be funny.
There is a different point of view and His Holiness the Pope talks about having a dialogue, talk man talk, learn to talk, share your ideas and disagree. No argue vehemently. But at the end, he said, this is your point of view. This is I don't, I don't follow that. I don't accept that I keep on believing what I believe. But I can see your point of view. That is all that is all that you want. We don't want to convert you just like that. You said I see your point of view. I see how your mind is working. Okay, that is that breeds tolerance. Want to know why this Muslim is behaving like that? You know, he passes a butchery with a pork pig hanging and he wants to spit and you're getting
This is you have raised this before.
Y'all just wondering that pork chops, you sing the pork chops, your mouth is watering and this guy is spitting?
Why does he do that? to offend you? No, no, he's programmed. The Muslim is programmed brainwashed that this is the filthy dirty anymore. You don't eat it, you don't read it. You don't touch it, you don't keep it.
He's programmed. So he's reacting to his programming. So once you know, you become tolerant, and I can see why you speeding is not speeding to spite me. You're not speeding despite the Christian who's walking with you? No, no, this is just happening to
it happens. So this is dialogue. Once you know you become more tolerant, even you disagree, but you become more tolerant.
Now, the clever Christian tells us
that you see this miracle of God.
Jesus wasn't talking about dead or alive.
He was talking about the time factor.
Look, listen. Jesus says, For us, Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the way social the Son of man be three days and three nights.
He uses the word three, four times, to emphasize is a time, time time. This is the important thing, the miracle. What is miraculous about the time factor. The miracle is when you expect a person to die. And if he doesn't die, that's a miracle time, whether you're in prison for three days, or three weeks or three months, and you come out alive.
That's not a miracle. The miracle is when you expect the man to be dead. And he's alive. That's similar. But it's no no drowning man clutching at straws. And traveling We will also do the same
thing to hold on to clutching straws. So he says the time factor. I said All right. Let's examine that. Did you fulfill that? He said yes. How? Again bankrupt. I'm telling you. I'm talking from experience. Different talk has come let's have a dialogue.
Your bishops and popes. His Holiness the Pope as a let's have a dialogue is a long story is another story. Another lecture about dialogue between me and the pope is another story.
But as it comes your bishops and Archbishop's come talk, talk to you individually let the people listen and let them make up their minds with truth lies. So is the time factor. So I'm asking when was he crucified?
Good Friday, Good Friday, Friday.
What makes Good Friday? Good. He said because of that Christ died for what seems when? Friday, right? Yes, Friday. That's what
I said. When was it in the morning or the afternoon.
So the clever man tells me it was in the afternoon. It was about three o'clock that he was put on the cross.
And Newman's expect to die within three hours on the cross. It was supposed to be a slow, excruciating death.
That was the purpose not for killing a man. The Phoenicians had pride you know spearing the man he died too soon. Drowning the man who died too soon. Boiling water boiling oil died too soon.
They wanted somebody to die slowly, the guy is leaning on and on three days, four days five times history reports. up to six days a guy would be alive on the cross. It was to be a slow lingering death. That was the purpose of crucifixion. But they say he died. Okay. So before evening they brought it down. And the Bible tells us the Jews gave him a Jewish burial but the hosel was that we give to the dead. Then they put 100 pound weight of medicines around him.
Like we put cancer to the deceased
100 pounds wait to put that clustering, clustering, clustering plastic 100 pounds. That's what the Bible says 100 pounds weight.
That's what the Bible says 100 pounds weight was plastered around him and they put shroud around him and they put him into a separate, separate there is not a grave is not a gray.
It is a big roomy chamber. According to Jim Bishop, a Christian author. In his in his day Christ died. The name of his book. He said that this room was
five foot wide by seven foot high and by 15 feet deep. It was a like a big roomy chamber with a legend or legends inside.
So they put him into that setup.
And they put a stone in the opening
and they went away and there was a strong thunderstorm lightning earthquake.
Everybody would enjoy the Roman Holiday. Everybody runs away.
You don't have to get an earthquake. Sure. All these things to chase people away, giving helping hands if they were there to help him to secure him to save him. Alright, let's not go into details. So by the time they brought it the body down heavy, heavy, heavy, they were in a hurry to put him up now in the Bible, and they were hired to bring him down because of the Sabbath. Because at Friday at sunset, it is the seventh yamasa isn't a night comes first. Then the day Islam in Islam night and day Ramadan starts
from the first night. You see the moon. Ramadan start you see the moon stopped fasting. Same thing to the Jews. At sunset, the day changes. Not the Westerner midnight. Dammit. Oh, you wait till midnight to see the days changing. But that's your system. That's called midnight. You say nice. One one alien. Alien.
So right. So the brother body down and they put the body into the grave into the separate separate not a grave.
So Friday night, he's supposed to be in the grave.
Saturday morning. The Bible hasn't already came out Saturday morning. He's still supposed to be in the grave. What my fingers
no tricks of the hand sleight of hand, the guy in the circus You know, this clowning and he's being this and that. And he is deceiving you with this movement of his fingers. Now watch, watch. watch mine.
Friday Night is supposed to be in the game.
Saturday is still supposed to integrate.
Saturday night. He's still supposed to be in the grave. Sunday morning, the first day of the week. When Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, the tomb is empty.
This is exactly me reading your Bible. Word for word verse for verse. Friday Night is supposed to be in the grave. Saturday day, he's supposed to be in the grave. Saturday night. He's still supposed to be in the grave. Sunday morning, the first day of the week, Sunday morning, not Monday, Sunday morning, the first day of the week, when Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, the tomb is empty. So I'm asking how many days and how many nights
from a very simple wall by God know if your eyes are not, you know, short sighted. You can see how many nights and how many days
two nights in a day. Look Friday night, Saturday, Saturday night. Sunday morning, is not there.
Two nights in a day. What did he say? For us? Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, social the Son of man be three days and three nights in the middle of the earth. He said three and three, three and three. What we see is two and one. I want to know from you Christians whether this two and one and three and three is the same.
Do you know even an Einstein can't help you know Einstein can help you in this. Look at this simple exercise. Two nights in a day. He said three and three, three and three. He repeated four times. And he's only giving you two and one. Again, he let you down.
If there's something wrong, that's what the Muslims trying to tell you. There's something wrong with your reading of this. I'm not saying that your Bible is false. This is wrong. No, no, no, no, no. I don't say that. I said, No, you English people. Man, you English speaking people. You gave me your Bible in the King James Version. And I liked that English. I liked it. I like it.
And now I read the Bible you gave me and I see that is exactly opposite of what you're telling me. Believe me, exactly opposite of what you are trying to tell me. I read it. And that's how I understand. So I'm asking you is like Jonah.
Is this three in three? Is this the same as this? I'm asking you
what I'm trying to be clever. Funny. No, this is what you are telling me. I read this. This is what I find here. You explain that to me. Now you explain that to me.
As a Sunday morning, first day of the week, Mary Magdalene goes to the throne. So I'm asking why did she go there?
The Bible says to entertain the Hebrew word anointed Messiah. We do also massage every Muslim you may Google evolution and in the evolution what we do we better hands.
What do you call that? massage?
in Hebrew must be annoyed
So I said why did this woman go there? Is this two anointing? To Robin? I am asking do Jews massage dead bodies after three days? Do they?
You Christian, do you massage your dead bodies after three days? No. We are the closest with the Jews, the Muslims in our ceremonial law give him the movie Muslims massage the dead bodies after three days away.
Then why would a woman go along to find a dead rotting body after three days, you know within three hour this Erica model sets in
the hardening of the cells. The decomposition starts taking place in a standard thing is rotting inside, fermenting inside such a rotting body, you can massage it was the basis it'll fall to basis. So what does you want to do?
unless she's looking for a live person.
She must be looking for a live person because she was about the only woman besides Joseph avati. Nicodemus with
Jesus she was about the only woman
so she knew she had seen signs of life. If only the crucifixion took place, as they say that she had seen signs of life, that after three days she's returning to given treatment. She's worried about the stone that now what am I gonna do with the stone. And when she reaches the tomb, pleasantly surprised she found the stone was removed, it was already removed. So she looks inside the cave in the cave. And she finds empty. So she starts to cry is an anti climax to what she had expected.
Jesus was watching her from wherever he was not from heaven, from this earth. This is this tomb was a privately owned property belonging to Joseph of Arimathea, a very rich, influential Jewish disciple of Jesus, who could afford to carve out this big roomy chamber, a separate car for himself around the separator he had his vegetable garden and his country home where he went for his holiday for the weekend with his family.
He's not out in the booboo that he was planting wheat and corn for other people's sheep and goats to graze upon. He must has gardeners quarters people to look up this garden. This is all the seeds. And Jesus is there. He sees his woman, he know who she is. So he comes up to her from behind. And he finds her weeping. So he said, woman, woman, why we persol?
doesn't you know?
doesn't you know? Of course he knows. Then why does he have such a silly question? No, it's not a silly question. Actually. He's pulling the leg metaphorically. not physically, metaphorically. He's pulling her leg, says woman.
She I'm reading I'm reading your Bible.
She supposing him to be the gardener.
I'm asking What does you suppose the garden?
bodies look like? godness.
Then we all when we are resurrected, at the end of time, everybody wakes up as a gardener.
So the wife doesn't know that this is the husband or father or grandfather, everybody's a gardener, her son. She doesn't know who's who is that how it is? No, the boys will be yours yourself. Everybody will be able to recognize you. It will be
so bad that she said was the gardener. I said because he's disguised as a gardener. Why is he disguised as the gardener?
I say because he's afraid of the Jews. Why is he afraid of the Jews? I say because he didn't die. And he didn't conquer that. And he died. And if he had conquered death, there's no need to be afraid anymore. Because the reserves our bodies can die twice. You asked me Who says that? I said your Bible
policies. It is ordained into all men wants to die. And after that the judgment you can die twice.
So if you have conquered death, no need to be afraid. Because nobody can kill him anymore. But he had escaped by the skin of his teeth. If he gets caught, they'll make who the Jews big who did they kill him? So he's disguised as a god. She's opposing him to be the gardener says Sir, if you have taken hence, tell me where have you laid him to rest to relax to recuperate? Not Where have you buried him? So that I might take him away? I alone one fridge us carrying away dead rotting corpse of at least 160 pounds. Not like me and 200
not like me, Jesus.
muscular young man. 160 at least 100 pounds later.
American making 260 Can you imagine this just carrying this rotting pops? Like American superhuman? You know, she could do as I take him and carry him and take him away.
Bury him as good as the grave. To bury carrying is one thing. 260 pounds, maybe the Superwoman she can do it.
But to bury him in half, she had to dump him in a hole. Does it make sense? She's gonna dump him in a hole. Does that make sense? No, no, she's talking about that I alone might take him away for treatment to look after him. Come on, come on. My dear brothers and sisters, look, each and every everything, every verse, I'm telling you now, I give you 30 different reasons from the Bible, that Jesus didn't die didn't die. He was alive, he was alive.
30 different reasons from the Bible. I have written a book called crucifixion of crucifixion. I don't know what is available in this country, but you write to me, you should get it or in my volume to have the choice, you should get it. I would rather I can see the enthusiasm among my Christian brother, I would rather give them the chance to ask questions. And there are two mics available. This one on this end and on this at the end, I want people to queue up, you know, and then he will ask one at a time one to the right, one to the left, one to the right, one to the left. But do you have a Christian Brothers preference? You Muslims also have a right to ask questions. But give a
Christian brother a preference that to ask questions first.
Message him. Thank you.
Start question time, would you please queue along the outside aisle. So once again, I'd ask you all to show your appreciation, some taxpayer or shaky that Allahu Akbar
Well, we have a number of people ready to ask questions. I'll hand the microphone over to the shake. Which side do you want to take first?
Because this brother happened to be the first I admire him, I should congratulate him you were the first man to get up fasken question you have the first chance my brother?
on our reading, and so please, for this English is working very hard to translate.
Anybody, he can translate it over me after my reading? Guy, my brother, I make it easy for you. I made it easy for you. I gave you the Quran already.
In the Quran already open that Quran and read it in Arabic. And we read the translation. Look, I gave it you already.
time I get a chance. I give you a chance. You get the Quran, find that verse, read it in Arabic and give them the translation you do that?
Yes, my brother,
Misty, da, da da.
As you know, I'm a Christian.
And I'm fascinated by the work you are doing.
written and printed and revised recently by you and your Islamic Propagation center in South Africa.
There are two key verses Surah 355 sauropod 120,
which talks about Jesus.
For example, in suva, 355, the Africa is rendered this way.
I am causing you to die.
Muslims in South Africa have the task of this translation. But you are saying that Jesus did die
in your lectures and books affect the choice which is your own book, which I have I read about six years ago, and I believe it was around about chapter 10 where you say that Jesus was not nailed
My dear brother, my look.
Now you said look, wait a minute you like do light against me.
You you you are. Look.
You lied. You lied against me more than one lie you added already.
I'm telling you, you lied against me more than once already. And I will not allow you to continue lying.
Now imagine imagine the man is now he hears me lecturing in English.
He listens to me in English. Right? He listens to me in English. And he's talking about an Africans Quran. Africans? I don't know. Then he's talking about my book.
Yes, my brother. No, no, no, raise my brother with the Quran.
He fled. He fled.
Look, may Allah May. Allah set him up to answer the question, but I didn't get the Quran. Look, look. It's not playing by me. I don't know who the man was. He could have the hand. I said yes, you give the right answer. I gave him the Quran. Look at it. Look at the setup. This is how God works. Here's the first main class question. He wants to read it in Arabic because that is an app. Okay. He's entitled to know he wants somebody to translate for him. So why do you do that? I got the Quran already.
Quran already I presented you will go back, sit down while the other guys are busy. Find that verse, find that verse. And you come out and you read the Arabic? Can you read the translation? can anything be fairer than that?
No. But you see, it's the kind of, I don't know what to say, the spirit that they have. That spirit deserves them. So out there go and see the other guy. He was talking about an Africans Quran. I don't know Africans. He's gonna quote from there. I said, Look, here is a Quran, open it see the same words Tell me. He said in my book, the choice he read six years ago, he's a liar. Because this book is only come out now. Choice
lies upon lies, says, look, here's my brother, you talk about the choice. Here's the choice. Find that chapter in verse where I said Jesus died that he was not nailed, but he was paid. Did I say that? I'm saying these are the Christian theories, one Christian sector devotions? Is this. The Jehovah's Witness say that? These are your theories. These are your artists who are drawing these drawings about Jesus being nailed Jesus being tied up with robes. That's not mine. So I give you the choice. I said the Jehovah's Witnesses know, he was put on a stake, you know? And he was standing like this. No, not like that. So these are the choices I'm giving you in my book, The choices I'm
giving you in my book. Now you take the choice. What happened? Because you're Christians are telling me all these various things about what happened to Jesus. Now, he said, I said, I said, I didn't say that. You said I said and he says he has the choice. Come find it and read it to the people.
Amazing, amazing. Yes, my son.
First of all,
many of us Caucasians is English. Over 200 years old Australian. So that's just one point. They
freak out too much.
Just Just one second. This might entertain you. You see me? I'm a brown Englishman.
In other words, I speak English. English is my mother tongue.
In other words, I dream in English. And I swear in English, and no, no, this and the psychologists they say that that language in which you dream, and the language in which you swear is your mother tongue. You Indonesian you say Indonesian okay. As in what language do you dream?
in touch? If you're dreaming in touch, you know, that actually for 300 years? Maybe you know you got some Dutch blood in you. So as you speak, you use you dreaming that you said yes. And you swear in Dutch
That's your mother tongue. You are ashamed to say that but that's me, me. I dream in English and I swear in English. So English is my mother tongue. So I'm a brown English man. So from that point of view, when I said Englishman, English speaking people, whether you're American as a you are an English man, English speaking person, from the language point of view, I'm describing the people English.
I guess if you're saying that your English must be.
First of all, just with the
we look into Matthew chapter 12, and the sign of Jonah. And you quite rightly pointed out that, that there were some things in China, which is similar to Jason and some things which are different.
For instance, Jesus is crucified, while john is trying to say that that's different.
There's a very big difference in January is disobedience, and runs away while Jesus is obedient. That's a fairly big difference. And everybody's journey goes to the Gentiles to the foreign countries. Well, how Jesus does his ministry within Israel. So there are a few differences.
But, as you rightly pointed out, that is significant to the gentleman, he's on time, on the three days
as I read the Bible,
or read the Quran, and so I take the scriptures very seriously.
But I know that in order to see the full picture of something, you have to read all of it, get to read the whole book. So I just want to read a bit more of Matthew, when Jesus speaks again, about the three days. This is just just from this is from a translation of the Bible for the library. It's Matthew chapter 16, verse 21, it says, From that time on, Jesus began to explain to His disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed. And on the third day, he rose to life.
And so I think when you read all of it, and he's saying that the three days, going to die there, I've got some other references up here as well as to like, they're all fairly similar when I told him about Jesus dying.
Because there are many verses in the Bible
where Jesus says, I did die. My son, you have to agree with me, that what Jesus was talking about the sign of Jonah, that sign was a miracle. sign means a miracle. You have to it's not a road sign, stop yield go is not an easy road signs. There were no road signs in Jerusalem 2000 years ago, so he's not talking about road signs. He's talking about a miracle. The Jews want a miracle from him. Not a road sign.
So Jesus said, my miracle is that of Jonah, and what the miracle is thing about Jonah is that we expect him to die three times over and he didn't die. You see, if I had a gun, and I lose my temper, and put six shots through you to your heart, and it shattered, and you die, is that a miracle? Is that
but those six shots, tearing your heart to pieces and you love?
It's a miracle. Yes, yes. That's, that's six bullets I put through your heart, and you still love.
That's a miracle. I'll be terrified of you. Do you know that? If that happened?
So Jesus is talking that look, the miracle mine is that of Jonah. What happened to him is going to happen to me. What happened to Jonah? We expect him to die. We expect him to die at every step. If he died is a miracle. Jesus is what tells tell us about him. He also supposed to die. He is expected to die. If he dies. It's not a miracle. If he died, but they did to him and if he died is not a miracle. If he didn't die, it's a miracle. So I'm asking he said I will be like Jonah. Jonah is alive you agreed and Jesus's day and that is in your language of the English man. It is unlike in Zulu, I'm asking the Zulus.
Is it just like Jolla? So I'm asking the Zulu is this Jingo cha cha cha is like Jonah, or unlike Jonah, and this is a lecture I'm asking the Africa one Suez Yola like Jonah, Jonah, I'm asking the African is this source Yola are nice was Yona in Arabic. This is
Lima Maria de la Mancha tan for a Java cologne de Lucia. Assad Farsi, very strong in Arabic. This statement of Jesus is very very strong compared to the English is it
This is the Bible's written by the Christian By the way, not me. Gilani
farcical yet luyten Allah tala Ilaha Nana boo boo kumbhakarna una de Botton 40 velocita Yamin masala Salah Lin haka, the word I was looking for was hot as I just tried. So I'm asking the question is is haka or la casa
Jesus and Jonah is it haka, just like that, or La Casa
La Casa. So come on you prove now that this statement is, is a revelation from God the Holy Ghost inspired Matthew to to write it down then it is proving that Jesus is if I was a Jew, I will never accept Jesus as a Muslim I believe in Jesus as the Messiah, one of the mightiest messengers as a Muslim, but as a Jew, I said, Look, this man was put to the test and he failed again and again is failing, according to the test that he himself lays on himself, he is a failure. He is an imposter and as an imposter, which I would have said, If I was a Jew, but as a Muslim, I say, I believe that he was the true messenger of God, and you have misunderstood everything you have misunderstood.
You are right, if you were to shoot me six times through the heart, and
that would be a miracle. But if you were to shoot me six times through the heart, and I was to die, be buried, and then I came back to life, that would also be a miracle, right?
through the heart, I wouldn't be dead.
Now, Jesus, look three days, three days after his alleged crucifixion, he goes to the upper room where they had the Last Supper.
I'm giving you another proof that the man didn't die proof from his own mouth. He goes to the upper room with the head, the Last Supper.
And he goes in and he wishes his disciples in the Hebrew language shalamar home.
Same as Salam Alikum, we say Salaam Alaikum, did you say salam alaikum say, means peace be unto you. And when he said Shalom, and upon his disciples terrified, I'm reading your john, that the disciples were petrified, terrified. So I'm asking, why would they be terrified? Because when you meet your loss, Master, your grandfather, your teacher, your guru, your Prophet, your Messiah, the Arabs, and the Jews will embrace one another. And that is his way the Arabs and the Jews.
But instead of doing that, they are terrified. So I'm asking, Why were they terrified? So Luke chapter 24, he gives the answer that they were afraid, because they thought he was a spirit. Am I quoting correctly? Are you people who know the Bible? Am I quoting correctly? Correct me if I'm misquoting you must correct me. Yes, yes, I know, I can't afford to make a mistake.
So I said,
why would they think and they thought they thought he was a spirit. So I'm asking, does he look like a spirit?
Did he look like a spirit? And everybody says no.
Then I said, why should they think the man is a spirit when he didn't look like one?
The question is,
why would they say that they thought he was a spirit and he didn't look like a spirit. So I said, Look, I'll help you. I'll help you. You see, the disciples of Jesus they had heard from hearsay people talking that the master was hanged on the cross. They had heard from hearsay people talking that he had given up the ghost, meaning His Spirit had come out yet.
They had heard from hearsay people talking that now he's dead and buried for three days. All the knowledge was from here say people talking.
Because ma chapter 14, verse 50, he tells us that at the most critical juncture in the life of Jesus, all his disciples for Suki men fled all so I'm asking the brown Englishman and the white Englishman sir does all mean all in your language.
That's all does it mean all in your language of all means all.
So they will not they will not eyewitnesses Are you witness to the heaven. They all had first documented that's what matters unless you tell me it was his Holy Ghost deceived into it all his disciples.
Superman fled. So they will not eyewitnesses or your witness to the happenings. So they had heard that man is dead and buried. They expect him to be stinking in his grave. Such a person you see, naturally are terrified. You see, he must be a ghost.
So Jesus wants to assure them, that is not what they're thinking. So he said Uhuru Elijah de la, Behold my hands and my feet in me Anna Hua, that it is I myself who Sunni wanzhou the handle me and see, for inoru ha, nice, Allahu la mon wisdom, for the spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me here. So again, I'm talking, my dear brother, you Arabic, Christian, and you English Christians. I said, if I said, Look, because I got flesh and bones, I am not a spirit. I'm not a ghost. I'm not a spook, is that what it means in your language?
If I got flesh and bones, in that case, I'm not a spirit. I'm not a ghost, I'm not a stroke. Is that what it means in your language? Of course it does. If you've got flesh and bones, you're not a spirit, you're not a ghost. You notice anybody. If you get this, then you're not that. In other words, he's telling you that the body that you're seeing is not a translated body. It is not a metamorphosed body, it is not a resurrected body, because the resurrected bodies get spiritualized
you want to know Who says so? as a joke, Paul, user who says I say your Jesus, you will reference I give them to you can can bring your bishops and Archbishop's to come and have a dialogue with me. in Sydney, I come again by God at my own expense, I will come get me a bishop or an archbishop and we have a symposium not a debate. A symposium presents your case and let me present our case and let the people go and make the choice. So, he said handled me and si tengo que la tengan pueden Kaku en de la casa de Gama de la ciudad de la Karina hunter tierra birchington pulang separate the income Allah Tada.
So the felting I'm reading, I'm reading your Bible, and they failed him and they believe not for joy, joy and wonder. So what happened when we said the man was dead and buried? So he says in the con Hakuna Tom, have you had anything to eat for an hour? Whoo hoo, just a min smacking
the acid in for our Casa La kalakuta Mohan and they gave him a piece of bread fish and a honeycomb. And he took it and he act in the way decide to prove what there is a ghost? Is that how you prove your ghost? Are
you eating goldfish and honeycomb? The feeling? You know the Wonder Man I thought the man was dead. He's alive. Hooray. He's alive. And eating goldfish and honeycomb to prove that he's a ghost Is this true? Man, every verse that I can quote you from the Bible, as at every verse, you have misunderstood my brothers, you Englishman, you brown Englishman, and your white Englishman. Whether you call yourself American, you speak English, you are an English man. And I want to say Come talk to me in English. Talk to me in English. And I'll show you that each and every verse, you have misunderstood every verse, you have misunderstood my son.
Okay, my son.
Thank you. Yes, my son.
Notice that this is a multilinguals sci fi house flies things up a bit on Greek origin. And the Greek word for Easter is the word pasta. And that means Passover. And that's quite appropriate for it. Because, like
the land that was sacrificed an agent, which the Israelites right on the door of their houses,
to deliver them the problem agent. So, Jesus when he died, the blood which nation delivered them from the liver can deliver us from slavery. And
so and if this isn't the only Old Testament reference which Jesus uses to say that he will die, and
if on line
I saw the Prophet says, but he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities, the punishment that God has placed was upon him, and by his wound to be healed.
Yet it was the Lord's will to crush you to suffer. And though the Lord makes this law, a guilt offering, he'll be seeing his offspring and hope
Long these days, therefore, I will give him a portion among the grade. And he will divide the spoils with a strong, because he pulled out his life.
With the transgressors will he go the sin of many and mighty intercession for the transgressors? Now, I've quoted three verses there, they're not consecutive.
You might write a whole chapter in your life, but just to
illustrate that Jesus would die as a sacrifice.
And that not only
die, but rise and
in life. So my question is,
why don't you encourage people to read the Bible for themselves, rather than emphasize on your own books?
What you're doing is, you're also suggesting to me what I read and how I should understand, say you're doing to me, and every Christian when you come and knock at my door, you want me to see the Bible the way you see it. If you got blinkers on, you also want me to put blinkers on to see
that is what you are trying to do to me. So you see at the outset, I said that there are 300 prophecies were fulfilled.
But I said the whale the whale that got away, that will come the mouth of Jesus, Jesus spoke about Jonah and the whale.
That miracle you he didn't fulfill. Now, man you bring 1000 prophecies to, to say was justified, justified, I said, the one that Jesus gave himself with his own mouth. Matthew chapter 12, verse 33, and 40. Now I want you to explain that, that the sign he gave what that is, is nothing at all. He said, this is the only miracle I'm giving you to the Jews, that what happened to him is going to happen to me. Did that happen? That's all did that happen? in a court of law? If a man had made certain occurrences, I said, this is the promise he made, did he fulfill it?
again, and again, he's fading, according to your explanation. When I say yours, I mean the Christian explanation, he is failing again and again. So as a Jew, if I was a Jew, I read your book, as the man was an imposter and you deserve to die. If you escaped by the skin of his teeth, as if you can catch him again, we will crucify him a second time. If I was a Jew, according to his own words, he's failing again. And again, you justified that or you get your Bishop, your Greek mission, tell him if he knows English, is, look, this man is prepared to come over all the way at his own expense from South Africa, to have a dialogue in an open field, where we can get 50,000 people
and present your case, man, the 1000s of Muslims come and listen to your arguments. And of course, 1000s of Christians are also listened to all arguments. So I want to do that if you can get one of your Greek bishops, you know, because I can see the English speaking bishops like a shimmery, vegetarian.
Maybe the Greek, the Greek, you know, the ancient Greece, Greek, he might be bold and try and get some Britain, Russia. Okay.
This is 300 were fulfilled. I agree. I said the way that got away, what have you to say to that, that you allowed this way we will fish to get away out of your net.
very unfortunate creature, man, you're gonna get a little fishy when you're the way you live such a big thing to get away from your hands. That's what happened. This is what according to your scripture, Jesus failed again and again to support you. He's not supporting you in supporting me.
Last two questions, not finished. Last two questions. This lady here. And one more from this side. If there is only last two questions, you must appreciate that this is an old machine. 78 year old, you know and I have come across, you know those time barriers. Please have a little mercy on me. Not I'm trying to run away.
But this for the body. There's a limit to what it can take. Last two questions. This lady here and one more. Thank you, my sister, please. I thank you that I have the privilege to be here tonight to listen to you. I haven't read the Quran. You stimulated me perhaps I should read the Quran. But I would like to know what you believe with the ascension of Jesus Do you believe me? actually lived? So they want what happened to GE if he if he did not die if he made the Quranic verse that I read to you. The last expression I said was
Bal Rafa whoa la la, but Allah took him up to himself. We Muslims believe that God Almighty took him up saved him from that ignoble debt and nakedness of the cross. Because the people in the class were absolutely naked. They didn't expect you to put a little loincloth around the man, the Messenger of God, you say, the Son of God, naked, before the world, in the flies buzzing around Him as God Almighty didn't allow that to happen to his servant, His Messenger Jesus, God saved him and took him up. And I say he's coming back
to just you.
He's coming back
to the what?
You know, the Muslims, we believe in we claim that Islam is the culmination, the fulfillment of all of God's revelation to me all true guides and all guidance is given to us. We don't have to learn anything new from Jesus, or Moses or Mohammed anymore. Whatever God wanted to give, he's given it to us. So what is Jesus can do?
This is no, he's coming along to rectify you. And he's telling you in the Gospel of St. Matthews, he says, Many will say to me on that day, in a second coming on his return,
and many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in thy name, and in thy name cast out devils, and in thy name do many mighty works? They're gonna ask Jesus, didn't he do all these things? We build hospitals, in orphanages, and we look after the after the aborigines. And we look after the mores, and we look after the Indians, all these things he did. He educated all these fools, you know, civilize them. We did all the things, said did not prophesied in the name, and in the name cast out devils, and in the name do many mighty works. What does Jesus say to that?
He said, I never knew you.
depart for me, he that work iniquity for evil, evil mongers.
You are working in the name of Christ, looking after the lepers, looking after orphans, Mother Teresa, wonderful work. She's been by
Bama head down, out of respect for her.
all the wonderful things you people are doing, the way you look after the animals, you know, animal conservation, to preserve life. fantastic things you're doing, but for human beings as well, what what you're doing, and that's what you're gonna say to Jesus.
I'm asking the question, answer.
You know why? You know why? Because you call him Lord.
He's not alone. He's not yoga.
That is the reason. He's telling you Come, come, come. I'll teach you how to pray and pray like this. And he puts the words in your mouth, like a little baby like a child pray like this. Our Father, which art in heaven, our Father, which art in heaven,
including Judas. Because Judas was in the group is the father of everybody, the sinner, and the saint is the creme de la cherishes. sustainer qualified okay? Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Really, they say the father of Jesus Christ in heaven, or Jesus Christ, my lord in heaven. Where is it? This is how you pray, but you have forgotten that you're worshipping him into worship in the Father.
Did you say the lady the lady, did you say you got the Quran?
You have a Quran?
Yes, my brother. This will be the last question. Thank you.
Only thing I want to ask you one question. Firstly, I'll say
that Christ died
for one and a half days. According to what I read in the Bible during my school days. It was
Rosa was on the third day.
But according to the yoga,
not Indian born Indian, according to your country of origin, for the people claim they have been
riding for 15 years.
I don't know
what was implemented.
Know, you see, the Christian is not making an issue out of that, that Jesus went to India and he said the St. Thomas St. St. Thomas did the St. Thomas church. Why would Jesus go and create a St. Thomas church, he was created in Jesus church, because it makes sense. But now be as it may be, as it may. Our idea is that look, nobody dies for your sins. Nobody carries your burden for you. You according to the law of karma, what you do you pay for, if you have done well, you earn a reward. If you have done evil, you pay the punishment, that is also Islam. You see, that we have to pay for our own sins, the soul that sinneth it shall die, the one that sins will perish, thus shall not bear the
iniquity of the Father. The Bible says sin means father Adam,
is the son we will not pay for what Adam did. For Adam, he made a mistake. And he paid the full price. He paid the full price. We his student will not be questioned. So your father Adam, you know what he did? So he bought punishes us for that. He won't do that. Neither the son or the iniquity of the Father. The father shall not be the indicative the son, neither shall the Son get in it was the father. God Almighty will not ask Adam said look at your children 25 million sodomites you call them gays, gays in America, God will not ask Adam and he will not ask us what Adam and Eve did. The soul that sinneth it shall die. That is the law of God. But if the wicked will turn from all the sins
that he has committed means ask for forgiveness and repent and do that which is lawful right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. That is Islam. That is Islam. You pay for your sins, I pay for my
nobody, nobody pays for anybody's sins. But the Christian believes that he must somebody must pay for his sins. So he wants to pass the buck on to Jesus, and to make things easy for himself. He can do what he likes, but Christ paid for it.
And Jimmy Swaggart, he said, the greater the sin, the greater the redemption. If you what kind of redemption is Jesus Christ, I stole somebody's spin to spin. And Jesus pays for that for my parking ticket. He pays for that. What has he done?
For hitless sins on account of him 14 million people died in the Second World War II Jesus pays for that. That is something he pays for Peter, sadly, he raped and 13 women and Jesus pays for that. That will be something good idea, the greater the sin, the greater redemption.
What philosophy is.
Well, it's been quite an eye
totalize who've had questions to ask and haven't had their answers. Apologies. The shy as you can imagine that 78 years old, was probably feeling the strain I know I am. He's a very hard man to keep up with.
He has to catch a six o'clock flight tomorrow morning to Brisbane,
where he'll be talking to the Christian and Muslim community in Brisbane.
His tour takes him across Australia.
well, I might talk for another 25 but I think I might get thrown off the stage.
But he will be back
on Tuesday, same time, same place. The topic will be Christ in Islam.
I'm sure Christian and Muslim alike you found tonight. interesting and informative. By now I have.
I've had the privilege of hearing him speak on at least three occasions before this. And every time I see and learn and hear something new.
Before we all go with your please show your appreciation once again for the shake
He's promoted to say he's bigger than television evangelist Billy Graham, capable of pulling crowds of 30,000. He's 78 year old shake Ahmed deedat, an Islamic scholar who's spent almost 40 years traveling the world upholding and defending the Islamic faith. But it's his arrival in Australia during Easter The most important time in the Christian calendar, which has angered church groups, while Muslims believe in Jesus Shaykh Ahmed says the Bible is wrong. Jesus wasn't crucified This is enshrined in the Quran is a bona fide a belief of the Muslims, that Jesus Christ was neither true nor crucified. We believe that God saved him from the ignoble death on the cross, that nakedness on
the cross was saved and gone.
Today, hundreds of Muslim followers gathered in City Hall to hear the Islamic leaders speak. While his Easter visit to Australia has created controversy. Shaykh Ahmed says he's by no means anti christian. In fact, he's calling for a better understanding between Muslims and Christians. Let us have a dialogue with
Christian church leaders say they have nothing in common with this man. And I'm not sure that this really represents mainstream Muslim thinking. They're dismayed at the timing of the visit. It's disappointing that you choose Holy Saturday to do something like this in a public place.