Channel: Ahmed Deedat
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the concept of God
between the two speakers symposium by Swami agnivesh
Swami did not come.
For reason, we cannot explain.
So Brandon will be delivering
For salat wa salam O Allah Mallanna, Viva
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We are most people as Bob, we are the little hiring circle to a lake. I mean, the Amarillo law in the law basilashvili. But,
my dear brothers and sisters, and my dear children,
I might just reiterate
that this was supposed to be a symposium.
A symposium is not a debate.
A symposium is that we're more than one person speak on the same subject from the respective point of views. And as such, this meeting was organized for that.
And it arose out of a letter that we had received from the ARIA printed media Sabha
that they had sent it a circular offering that look if you this man, Swami agnivesh, is coming to South Africa to a conference. And if you people want, you can organize a debate and discussion workshop and on and on and on, whatever you would like to do with our Swamiji you can do.
So we responded, telling this Sabha that look, debate is out of the question.
Because Hinduism is not a threat to Islam, it's not a challenge to Islam in this country.
But rather that we have a symposium where the Muslim will have a chance of listening to the Hindu concept of God, and to the Hindu also listening to the Muslim conservative God and the Muslim to listen to the Hindu concept, either both sides that both will be educated
is not a debate is not scoring points is not passing judgment, no adjudicators are required. And they were very happy, very happy with our suggestion that it'd be a symposium, not a debate. Although they had mentioned the word debate, he said, no debate.
And we started to advertise and we advertised and from the law,
despite the fact that so much contrary news has been broadcast about nothing gonna test the new meeting taking place, we have a whole foot.
Now I had the good fortune of speaking to Swamiji personally, this morning, and five o'clock again, this afternoon.
And I found him to be a charming gentleman. I'm sure I wouldn't have regretted embracing him. If he was here, embrace him on the stage, I would have had no regrets whatsoever.
He cried. He's crying. He said Look, he is constrained. He wants to fulfill
his the gentleman, he is that he is not ashamed to he's not afraid to back out of this. But
the society around him that forced him into a situation where the poor man can make a move. He's a guest in this country.
So I suggested to him, I said, Look, if we can get together here. What about in India in our Motherland, oh, he was elated. I say in Delhi, we have a symposium and this time I say you organize it.
you organize it. I organize this here at my expense. you organize it in Delhi, and I'll be able to fly down at my expense, everything and we have a symposium there in India and inshallah God willing, you know, in history, it has never happened before.
That a Muslim and a Hindu can share a platform. It hasn't happened, and it was gonna happen here tonight.
But now, Allah didn't believe it. But it's it can happen in India,
that in Muslim and Hindu in 1000 years it hasn't happened. debates have taken place between Muslims and Hindus debate but symposiums never. Here is an opportunity in 1000 years. He says now we are prepared to stand up before the public and deliver your message as to what
This concept of God each party has
Swamiji Swami agnivesh this is picture they had given it to us for which we produced the pamphlets
is quite handsome gentlemen.
And I asked him about his name. This morning, I said agony wish, universal agony. I know.
Another word means fire.
But as a wish, I do have some ideas suspicions about what it means, but I really don't know. Will you please explain to me what is agony wish, misfire what his wish, is wish, in Sanskrit means the embodiment, the embodiment of a quality.
Agni wish, embodiment of the nature of fire is to burn. It burns serves a purpose, it does harm, but generally is doing good without fire. All the civilizations you see around us have existed without fire, without heat, all this metal that went to make these things, everything that you see there, nothing would ever close to your fridges fire fire,
and he was the embodiment of fire. But he has been such a fantastic person that I'm looking forward to meeting him again, personally, this time.
Coming to the topic
of this evening, the concept of God in Islam
concept of God in any religion.
I have a statement here before me
by Samuel Zimmer,
send us wema is the founder of the swimmer Institute in Pasadena America. That Institute is solely directing its activities towards the Muslims to convert the Muslims of the world.
The swimmer Institute, the founder of that Institute, Samuels Varma, he makes this statement. He said, No religion is higher than its concept of God.
No religion is higher than its concept of God. The height of your religion depends upon your concept. What do you think of God?
What are the height of that level of your thinking, your apprehension, that is the level of your religion.
But when a person meets an idea, he propounded a theory,
it presupposes that the person believes that his is the highest. Otherwise, we'll make such a statement. The Hindu made such a statement at the back of his mind, Hinduism has the highest concept. If the Muslim made such a statement, it presupposes that the Muslim believes that the Muslim is the highest concept of God.
And he the Christian makes a statement it presupposes that Christianity has the highest concept of God.
And I have no hesitation in agreeing
with this proposition,
that the highest concept of God the higher the concept, the higher
Now, if I were to do which is natural thing to do is to go to the Quran, and tell the people Muslims and non Muslims said we have the highest concept, we Muslims, and this anybody will do the Christian will do the same, the Hindu will do the same, everybody is natural for them to boast that my concept my book has the highest concept. But now I said if I can get it from the mouth of the opposition,
this testimony, then it would mean something real, because this is natural for each individual, his religious concept to say is the highest and the best.
And in this I am going back to 1776.
At a time when the whole Muslim world was down in the gutters, 1776 Edward Gibbon, the master historian, he wrote his encyclopedia called the decline and fall of the Roman Empire
and it is an encyclopedia he says that the creed of Muhammad,
the idea, the philosophy, the principles of the teachings of this man, Mohamed, Salah Salem is free from the suspicions of ambiguity, and the Quran.
And the Quran is a glorious testimony to the unity of God. This is coming from the mouths of the Western and the Christian. He says that
having more than one possible meaning to a thing, you say something. And you mean one thing and you also mean something else. ambiguity, you're not very clear cut. clam, he says, the creative Mohamad is free from that. There is no ambiguity, it's clear cut straightforward. Anything when it says is set for what it says it has no dual meanings.
When the Christian would say it says, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost says these three are not three. But one. There's ambiguity. No, Islam has no such things.
To give you a crude example of ambiguity, when you use some words, and you mean something else.
I give an example of a lady, a lady who says that no man is good enough for her.
A lady, a woman says no man is good enough for me, she says. So we say she may be right.
And she may be left.
She may be right. And she may be left with she may be left on the shelf, she may never get a husband.
She may be right, and she may be left with a double double meaning less ambiguity. In Islam, the creed of Muhammad, according to given as no ambiguity, clear path straightforward if it says one it's one indivisible, indivisible, in his quality and his nature is absolutely unique. When he says unique is unique. There's nothing like him that you can think or imagine.
Then, some years later, in 1854, lamartine,
a French historian, he wrote the history of the Turks, and the Turks. Incidentally, being Muslims, he started speaking about himself and the Holy Prophet Muhammad, and his concept of God. And this is what he says. In his book, The history of the Turks. The idea of the unity of God proclaimed admits the exhaustion of fabulous theologies was in itself such a miracle that upon his utterance from his lips, it destroyed all the ancient superstitions,
His endless prayers, his mystery conversations with God, His death, in his triumph after death, all these tests not when imposture, but to have firm conviction, which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, based on the unity of God, and the immaterial and immateriality of God is unity. And he's not a material being is not physical, and the immediate material reality of God, the former telling what God is, and the latter telling what God is not what he is and what is not.
And coming to modern days, modern times this current current issue is
His Holiness, the Pope.
pope john paul, the second
is just published a book written a book called crossing the threshold of hope,
by Pope, His Holiness, pope john paul, the second.
I'm just inquisitive. How many of you own this book? Please put up your hand. If any of you you own this book, crossing that threshold of hope, by pope john paul the second, anybody who owns this book, in this call, just put up your hand. I want you I won't be asking for it. I just want to know whether you own it. Anybody? Please put up your hand?
You have it, sister.
One lady has it.
can imagine that in this packed hall? Only one person? She has it? Have you a Muslim sister? No, you will be a Roman Catholic.
Great. No, she's not a Roman Catholic, but she also she is not a Muslim.
Now I am offering
stalking with my sisters. I'm offering your 100 runs
to any of my sister here, who at question time can give me two reasons why a Muslim is not likely to have this book. Two reasons. There are two reasons you just gave me that to those two reasons. And I'll give you 100 rounds.
I give you 100 rounds Just give me two reasons why a Muslim is not likely to have this book.
How I got it, I was set. I was actually set up to have this book.
You know this book here.
Cost 15 999.
If you gave 60 rounds, you get
one cent change.
60 Ron, you gave for this, you get this one cent change.
You know how valuable this is in comparison. I'm offering you this book here. Look, gold embossed, hardcover, gold embossed, silk paper, silk paper, I give you 12 of this for this one. For the price of this one.
For 60 runs, I give you 12 of these books 12 of these books for 60 rounds. And I'll give you that one cent change if you want it.
I'm not joking. I'll give you that one cent. If you want that one cent change. I'll give you the 170 60 rounds for 12.
So, but I found something wonderful in this book, a jewel. On page 92.
PAGE 92 of the folks book. This book has become a bestseller today. In America. Within weeks of its publication, they sold 1.6 million 1,600,000 of these were sold within weeks.
It's the world's best seller today.
On page 92,
His Holiness the Pope. He says some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Quran.
Allah Muslim should kiss his hands
some of the most beautiful names in the human language
which includes his Bible.
In the human language, there is nothing in any word scripture to his knowledge.
Maybe Swami was here he might have said no. Also in my book, also something better superior to what you are saying it's possible. It's possible. But now the Pope says in the human language, in his experience has nothing like what is in the Quran. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Quran.
He must have read it, he must have read the Quran or somebody told him
and but it was confirming it is taking
some of the verses which he read, dude, beautiful, like the voice from heaven Alhamdulillah
I'm quoting from Sasha
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim who will Lovelady Laila Allah who He is Allah besides whom there is no other God.
Al Malik, the king of the Holy One, a salam, the source of peace and perfection. In the garden of faith, Alma Haman, the prisoner of safety, Al Aziz, the Exalted in Might al Jabbar resistible,
Subhana, Allah ma use rakuen Glory be to Allah. Fie, he is from the things that they attribute to Him, who will la He is Allah, Allah, Allah, the creator, el barrio de volver, al-musawi, the Bestower of forms and colors.
Well as mobile hostname is at the Most Beautiful Names, the Pope says some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the court of the Quran
is confirming the Quranic statement,
you suddenly will come up with some artwork, and everything that is in the heavens, that declare, declare his glory, will as Jesus came, and he is the exalted might, he is the wise, full of wisdom,
sutra hatia this chapter 59 and numbers 23 and 24. In this few brief sentences, I gave to you 14 different attributes
14 different attributes, beautifully set, not like an a dictionary did that did you know this word that word that was
14 beautiful attributes woven in a most beautiful language.
Not only Beautiful Names, attributes but in a beautiful language.
And in Islam, in the Quran, we are given 99 attributes
and you come across the most enlightened
professor of theology and you ask him, Sir, how many attributes? Can you think of God? Come come
from your head, from your learning from your past experience? I want to hear, and no Professor can go beyond a dozen, do you know that?
No professor, I can challenge these Come, come and tell me, give me some attributes of God, I give you 14 already. And there are many more to make 99 there are 19 attributes in the Holy Quran.
It's a miracle, that a person who is unlimited, who doesn't know how to read or write, he is creating a book and in that book, he is weaving here there, and he is giving you in total 99, attributes, qualities.
And these qualities
is there part of him,
they do not exist outside of him.
See, the Greeks, the Greeks, they had a concept of God. And in their concept, they said, Jupiter, and when you heard the name, Jupiter was the God of heaven. Pluto was the God of hell, Vulcan was the god of fire. Neptune was about to see Mars was about a war, and so on. And zS was a father of all these boards, with as many wives and many children.
And he was sitting on some planet, in the universe in the skies, and he was sending his sons into the world. His Apollo is Horus is ISIS is Osiris, as the need arose.
So he the the Greeks have been personifying the qualities that to God belongs to heaven, heaven and earth belongs to him, hell, and heaven belongs to him, everything is his, says the Muslim.
He is a Jabba the irresistible, but you can take this quality of being irresistible and say, This is God. He is just
the symbol of justice we see on our TVs, this game, similar justice, but you can say this is God.
See, the symbol of justice is escape. You see daily on your TV, but that symbol that that is not God, he is wise, you can take wisdom out and say this is God.
Like we, we possess so many qualities, the man is crying his gentleness, you know, he's tall, he's loud.
mudita speaks loud.
The mic fails, you can still hear me in the back. But this is just me. But you can't take loudness out and say this is d that you can say hi out and say this is da da,
da da that is Paul de de de la de la is very photogenic. My wife says.
You can take this photogenic out and say this is d that this is not Di Di.
So you see the qualities of God,
not separable, they are not existing outside of him. They are his him, part of him.
the beauty, the beauty of its expression is he is a Samuel Vasil. Some other qualities besides the 14 he all hearing all seeing his hobby, he's the subtle, the finest of mysteries, and he's the way he is.
He is the living he's
the self subsisting, he is a fool will do. He is the Forgiving, the loving, these are all his qualities 99 different attributes which are his, which do not exist outside of him.
But the miracle of this 99
is the one it hasn't got.
See, when we say look, Muhammad was able to give you 99 attributes,
and this is from God and this is no no see, he was a mighty genius. If I can do 10
Muhammad can do 99 we take overhead to him is great.
But this is not from God.
This is his cleverness.
Muslim says you see the miracle is the one he kept out
the one that is not there.
Because in the first half a dozen you give anybody the choice of thinking, imagining attributes, in the first half a dozen he will think of the Father in heaven.
The Father in Heaven is the Father in heaven. The word father will be one of those qualities that you are conjuring up in your head. The father, the Father, the Father in heaven. amazing thing. Muhammad, the prophet of God through him Allah gives us 99 attributes, but father is not one of them.
Father is not one of them the communist thing that didn't end
dangled before him all the time, during his 23 years of his prophetic experience from 40 to 63, he has given us these verses these attributes.
father is kept out.
Because it has acquired other connotations. By itself. There's nothing wrong, beautiful. The Father in heaven to me is a beautiful expression. But it has acquired other connotations.
And in languages, words change their meanings.
You see, we are talking when I was going to school, as a school boy, I was taught poetry you must people must also learn poetry. And in one of the poetry that I learned was a song we used to sing as little boys. It says gentle lords and ladies gay on the mountain Dawn's the day hadn't even heard that. Gentle lords and ladies day on the mountain Dawn's the day and he is very happy and gay fella
is very jovial, gay, he's happy gay.
Today, today, as a Mr. chairman is very gay.
No, look at the dictionary meaning the original dictionary meaning in the dictionary, it means a homosexual today, it means a homosexual. But it didn't mean that. The first time as I'm growing up, I'm reading the newspapers as I'm growing.
mature, and I'm coming across expressions like gay in the newspapers talking about gay and gay what is the day? What? j? No, I can't grasp the meaning because I don't know is talking about homosexuals.
So now you don't use that word anymore. The word comedy in America. Anybody said this guy his address uses ccommodate
Clinton finish is finished.
counted as a commie and he'll be taken up and mean interrogated and whatever do call me call me means a communist. communist was the guy was formerly used the word former a, it means it's a beautiful word, comrade fellowship, companionship Sahaba. No, but when you say comrade in America, describing somebody as a comrade means he's a puppy. He's a communist. Can you see words change the meanings? So this word Father, Father is being used by a great section of the believers in this world, for God Almighty.
Saying that Jesus is the only begotten Son, be gotten not made is the father is the father of Jesus Christ. Physically, he is the father. Not like Adam, Adam was made by God, every dog pig and donkey was made by God. But Jesus is not like that. He's bitten by the Father.
Because of that concept, the Holy Quran kept it out
99 attributes father is not one of them.
is gone. Where is he? Where is he?
Is he permeates the whole universe?
A person to it he put it this way, is a man
that has amino acid.
That is amino acid.
That the heavens and the earth cannot contain me.
The delay mom in Bergen jambay guma. At the heart of the moment, the faithful can most assuredly contain me.
This is a transliteration of the Hadees I want to be a creme de la Sallam he said
Alabama Bellman are sure that the heart of the moment is the throne of Allah.
But he is not contained. He is not contained in anything. He is not contained anywhere. He needs the whole universe. There is not a place that you can imagine where he does not exist.
At times, questions have been thrown at me this aborting do anything I said no. He can't do anything.
He can be everything. He can do everything.
I said that you see God he can make another god can he?
g is the uncreated when he creates is a created being How can he created and created
so he can do he can create another god and created
I said he can kick me out of his kingdom.
He can incinerate me he can embellish me his instinct. He can do whatever he likes, but he can throw me out of his kingdom.
Do you know that
assisting them in? Where is it that you see now beyond this Allah has is that it doesn't operate? Don't wait, wait, wait, can they kick you out of his kingdom?
Whatever you think or imagine is his. So there are things he says no, no, this only thing that he does bodily things, he can do things. And godly things, kick me out of his kingdom and His kingdom is permeate everything, but he does not contain
the Islamic concept is that is not contained in anything.
and we are given
an ocean of knowledge, the whole complete concept in just four verses, which every Muslim child knows
the sutra class.
The chapter on purity plus musical one.
In this verse For us, we are given a concept of God, every concept, any concept that you can, you can imagine, you come up with those ideas of yours, either these four verses in these four words, so you'll be able to confirm or reject. There is not a concept that you can think or imagine that you can think or imagine, which is not covered by these four verses. So Kareem sallallahu sallam, he said, that person who reads, so lifeless, he gets one third, the swab the blessings of reading the whole Quran.
One third, imagine this is an encyclopedia.
just reading those four verses. Once you get one third, three times you read, you get sahab of reading the whole Quran.
Only 14 sentences, I'm sorry, 12 sentences for the time four times three.
summit. Let me let me
repeat it, repeat it and you got the suburb of reading the whole Quran?
Doesn't? How do you account for that?
How can you account for that? Just reading 12 sentences, and you get the blessings of reading the whole book, an encyclopedia.
an acronym sets, you know what makes it so important? Those four sentences are the touchstone of theology. theology theology is the study of religion.
To us, in Greek means God. theology means the study of God in religion.
T ism is the belief in God, mono theism to believe in one God
polytheism, to believe in many gods pantheism to believe everything is God. These are theism to a theist who is not a theist who doesn't believe in God.
So, this, these four verses are the touchstone of theology.
There is no concept that you can think or imagine, if you are alright with this, for you have a good idea of what it means you are safe from any kind of misunderstanding about God any kind of misunderstanding, you will be safe with Allah.
The right concept you understand we have about the four verses.
Anybody do an idea
that God is like this, God is like that, within the four verses is a no no, no, this is rejected. This is reject this I accept. I accept this.
This I reject. This is the touchstone of theology. This is like the touchstone that the jewelers use.
I had the experience wanting to know about this. This is jewelers, you see you take along your grandma's jewelry, old jewelry, you think it's 22 karat gold, and you take it to a jeweler and says look I want money for this.
Sir I leave it here. I will test it and let you know what it's worth.
You go back the next day it tells you no this thing is here was a nine carat gold.
And it's worth 5000
my grandma would never own nine characters 22 karat gold, you'd back go to another jeweler. So look I want you to catch this for me. I want money for this Saturday leave it here. We will test it
and you return after a day or two and he also gives you almost a similar amount to the previous jeweler. Is it this is nine karat gold. And the next one it has is nine karat gold.
But you see this jewelry of your grandmother had necklace. They didn't melt it. How do they know that this is nine carat everybody says nine carat Is there a collusion between the jewelers? No, no. They have a touchstone is smooth granite stone black stone
and they have samples of gold
Nine karat 12 karat 18 karat 22 karat pieces of gold. They know math, this is nine. This is 18 This is 12. This is 22.
So you bring your grandma's jewelry and the guy
makes a like a pencil mark on that granite stone.
And he says the shade of gold.
Doesn't look like 22
looks more like nine. He's got a sample of nine by the side of it he makes a line with a nine carat gold. identical. Says cruises nine carat. Next jeweler he says the same. He takes your grandma's jewelry he makes rubs it on the granite stone. And then he's got the samples and this was like 12 to Sonata 12 is too bright. It doesn't. It doesn't match. ties are nice. This is nine is nine, it's nine touchstone This is called a touchstone granite stone. These four verses are the touchstones of theology.
Once you have got the right understanding of this, there is Allah The one and only allow some of these eternal absolute lemmya linvilla mula. He does not be getting is not be gotten while I'm yaku Fernandez nothing like unto him that can be imagined.
And that knowledge is given to us in this book of God.
If you have a translation like this,
you know the value the value, I said you get 12 books of that for this. You get six grands 2000 pages each
Still paper six encyclopedias you get for the price of one
for 60 Ron's you'll get six of this. Because that one cent change will give you that one cent change.
Six, six encyclopedias, 2000 pages, each is a 200 pages, 200 pages, for 5999 60 rounds, less one cent, you get six Quran, you get 12 of those other books.
But you know, somehow the Muslim is hesitant to own that if you have this book, this one by Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
There are 335 different references about Allah alone God and the subject god 335 I counted them this morning.
In the index, you go to the index 335 reference about Allah. Allah is mentioned in a concordance of your components 2690 times the word Allah, Allah Allah in the Quran, but we haven't got the time for that
About a lot things about Allah This one is for example, he is your protector. Allah is your protector. He is the creator of all.
He is most bountiful, he is most merciful. He is most kind, he is forgiving, and on. He is the orphan shelter, he is a wondrous guide. He satisfies your needs. His God is present everywhere. To Him is the goal. To Him is the return of all his unity. He's one not one in a trinity, not one or two. Nobody got Begotten Son, nor concert nor daughters. He has no partners, he's wise is the best display of affairs, his most high grade is irresistible. He is the daughter of all he intends his self sufficient is the wisest of judges is never unjust, free of all once is Worthy of all praise 335 different references about God Almighty in this index, you owe it to yourself Muslims and non
Muslims to own this book 10 rats can land 10 rounds each 2000 pages, paper
and everything about God and about life. You know what marriage
you get in the M divorce and the D you know about heaven or hell and the edge you want to buy Jesus and the J What do you want to know everything on your fingertips and six of these four one of this
you take your choice.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have come to the end of the talk or shall
be open to questions now. The mics in front of us for questioning those who want to ask questions pertaining the subject or be entertained. So you can queue up in front here and you can you can ask any questions on the subject. Any other questions when we entertain a must ask you to cooperate please
mister do that.
religions beside Islam, the concept of men becoming bought to the process of so called higher knowledge is dedicated to the majesty of God. God was the creator, and men was the created. Why has done men made himself
made himself supreme above God?
Man, how can he make himself supremum of God?
No doubt he's arrogating to himself. The position that he says God does not exist,
that he is an atheist, and his mind and whatever he thinks he imagines is his theory of creation, that there is no God.
Now, this is a new sickness.
This sickness of 1000s of years never existed.
You see, even Allahabad Allah says in the Quran, the surah Coolio coffee room. So you who this believe
those people were not atheists?
They were not atheists. There were no atheists. in Arabia, there were no atheists in India for 5000 years. There were no atheists in China for 1000s of years. In the most primitive nations on Earth, there are no atheist. Atheists means people who say there is no God.
Everyone, they believe in some kind of God, that there is some power or something, somebody made this and somebody made that wherever, in Central Africa or whether in China or India or Arabia, but it is the concept the concept that when I when I became Salah Salim put for the concept of Allah is
that people said no, we believe in 360 gods.
No, no, no, this 360 shaped like egos, like lions, human beings.
Not this not that, not that all this was negative, negative.
So the thing is not today in modern times, man has come forth with the idea that as if he created everything, because he's able to explain, he's trying to give for the theory, The Big Bang Theory, this theory that theory. So from that, he assumes that actually as if he made it was trying to explain how things happen, as if he did it. Now, in this book of mind that has been given to you, you will find there how to talk that type of sick people,
the people who say that there is no God, how to reason with him from the Quranic verses that are given to you. So this is my answer to Mr. Did that our host is not here today. Yes, I would like to ask one question. Are you prepared to answer it not for him? I have no right to answer for Swami agnivesh. Yeah. But
if he was here
was that one question for him? One for me, one for him. One for me. This is how it would have been if he was here. But now, you have to reserve your question. Oh, by the way I'm offering to our Hindu presence here because some of some people found me that Mr. Maharaj phones, me, and he says, you know, this meeting? I said, Yeah, this is a symposium gonna take place is about this agnivesh he says nobody knows him in India.
As a human who says nobody knows it. I said, there are 800 million Hindus in India. Did you go and test them out? Do you take a poll? 800 million Hindus. And you found out that nobody knows him?
Surely, his his father and mother and his religion man, somebody must be living the guy. But this is this is nature of man. So I'm offering that look, if this man they say, actually, they say that I bribed him, you know, managing 10,000 vans, you come along and make a fool of yourself. And then you know, I get the credit. No, no. Imagine people you know the type of ideas that they're moody. I said, Now, look, if you have another Hindu gentlemen, pleasure in South Africa, who can come and speak to the Muslims on the concept of God in Hinduism, I'm prepared to give this whole free of charge any my Hindu brothers here, please don't wait. Any Hindus learn it, gentlemen who want to
come along and tell the Muslims the Hindu concept of God, this hall is free for them. And I assure them that this hall will be packed, the Muslims want to hear we want to hear tell us officially you want to get it from the horse's mouth. You tell us we want to listen. That's all you want to listen, whether you buy or you don't buy, that's besides the point.
See, you listen, we listen to whatever you have to say and this hall is offered free of charge to any Hindu theologian, Swami, you know
to come along
Talk to us. I'll give them this whole free of charge. Right? Give somebody else a chance.
The host is not here not a ghost is he and I'm the host.
The guest is not here.
Question. Under the pretext of religion and civilization, Western world have exploited the under underprivileged masses of the third world countries they are doing so today that President Islam and Hinduism are at loggerheads. Therefore, sir, which religious, religious doctrines have the capabilities whereby men can live in peace and harmony in this turbulent world, this was supposed to be the concept of God only concept, either from the swimming of me the concept of God in Hinduism, the concept of God not about solving the problem of evil. That's another topic. That's another subject.
Mr. DITA, I'd like to find out from you, your books say that the word allow, was used by the followers of, by, by the followers of the word Allah, by,
by who? By the followers of Jesus, or
by by, by all the Semitic religions? Yes.
I mean, the religion of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, the word for God Almighty, Allah, that's in my book. So my question is, how come only the followers of Ishmael have managed to retain the name Allah?
Where did the name Allah get lost by the Jews? Yes. And actually, you see, even in the Bible as Christians have.
You have the Bible here. And in the Bible, if you have you get one by Reverend Schofield,
translation of the King James Version by Reverend Schofield. And in his first chapter, first verse of the Bible called Genesis chapter one, verse one,
chapter one, verse one. You see there it says, In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That the first sentence of the Bible, Genesis chapter one, verse one,
now, we have a commentary, it has a commentary, Reverend Scofield back by eight DVDs, not only that, DVDs, doctors have divinities,
at DVDs, and he gives an explanation that this word God in the Hebrew language is ello him
which is a unique plural, May and also in Hebrew, l n Allah and His special word Allah alternatively as a l A h.
As long as I was reading li li le le H, I couldn't see the connection. That is a lot.
But this Reverend Scofield, I have the Bible, if you like to come along and see how a photostat of the Bible I give it to you.
It says a L E L h alternately spelled as Al h A sub right? If it's a l A h is a law.
You say Allah, look, say Allah, my language, my language I want you to pronounce as I want you to pronounce. You see the English language, as the Englishman wanted me to pronounce I pronounce it. Because when I went to school in the primary stages of my schooling, I came from India, I didn't know ABCD I didn't know what the Whiteman looked like what I didn't know anything. I was like a robber baron coming from India into South Africa started with ABCD
etc. At the age of nine, I started four languages one time learning
so it's cool now they teach me beauty but you take me at that and you did not. beauty, beauty. Beauty. What?
This is a funny, you know, it's a beauty but
doesn't make me sad that don't try to be too clever.
And if you don't say put you in pass your exams. So I say put and I passed my exams.
So I said look, a la edge is a law say Allah. You try and use Allah as an okay again, you said, Allah, Allah. Allah is Al Saud, okay, I forgive. I forgive you. You see the word is Allah. So in the language of Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the word for God Almighty.
Allah, Jesus Christ supposed to be on the cross he cried out with a loud voice. He said li li Lama Subhan
Allah Allah Allah Mata Rani in Arabic in Hebrew, Li Li Lama Sebastien in the in the book of Revelation chapter 19. It speaks about john the disciple, he saw the vision in heaven. angels sing in heaven. Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah. I'm asking the Christians what is hallelujah?
people pray is that means we pray that God made another 40,000 40,000 times brighter than the sun. So the angel said
The first time this people Christian came to the city hall lectures of pain and
so I explained what other ways numerology has nobody says 100 anymore. You see you are saying Allahu Allahu Allahu Allahu Allahu Allahu. This is what you're supposed to be seen inducing in heaven. Yeah, Allahu, Allahu, Allahu Allah. This is, I send you this thing. Hooray. Congratulations to you. You are still thinking of Allah. Allahu Allah. luh ya luh ya Luh. So this word is still in the Bible, in every Bible, in every language. In the Zulu Bible, you say, in the Bible is there? There is not a Bible in which is what Allah is not there. You come along, and I show them to just myself. Oh, yeah.
Okay, you said that?
If you said that, you know, do you have your own concept of God? And then your own concept of God, you get that you've got attributes that are referred to by you from the Quran? What about the religions that are not having references, like the African religions? Do you think that they are in the right direction? Secondly, we have one at a time. One question at a time. We love you The second question to me.
Just come back again, behind the cube, you can ask the second question, we'll give you the right. But let me answer the first. First. I'll answer that first. Yes.
The My son is asking, what about the African religions?
As you know, actually, the African religions is no different from Islam.
Follow the concept. I'm talking about the concept. I'm asking an old Zulu, this unveiling.
For God Almighty, this
is the greatest of the greatest not
the biggest of the biggest, the mighty is of the mighty is not a name, the name for God Almighty. The Zulus is compelling.
Some asking what is
so it turns out
he's a pure and holy spirit. ghazali and if
he does not be good, and he's not 41 and I, I said I've been reading the Quran so much that
he never heard the Quran. He never heard the name Quran, but he's giving me what I gave you from Surah class. He's giving me the translation of Surah Surah is last in his language. He's a Muslim.
I go to the Sudan. I learned the language of the Dinka before going amazing Tina, the Sudanese people don't know the language of the Dinka. Like up here live among the Zulu, Zulu, you should be ashamed of ourselves. I tell you live among as soon as you do business with the Sooners and you don't know Zulu. There's something wrong with you.
I go to Sudan on a lecture tour. And before going I learned the language of the Dinka john cara, and the Sudan is Muslims are at war is going on for years now.
So I learned the language.
And now I want to practice as soon as I landed in Khartoum, at the hotel, I go to the reception, I say, you know, I was trying to learn your language. Now that's a hobby with me.
It's a hobby with me, I learned different languages. I can give you 20 different languages now standing here 20 different languages besides Zulu in Africans, 20 different languages Swahili, French, Spanish, Indonesian Malaysian Come on man talk what like Hebrew what language you want to hear?
So whenever I go to a new country, I learn the language of the people so I learned the language. So I go to these guys. Let's say you know islands your language said yes. So listen, if I'm going to see a piata Baffin we actually eat abbiati, no, no greek tejal and na sharjeel gbg Shibu in Greek Gunilla in Greek is
the language of that guy that do
that the pot the pot, he was standing the tall African is is the language of that guy there. So I go to him. Like I'm from South Africa and I learned your language. I want you to
And you know, I want you to help me. If I'm murdering your language, forgive me. It's not intentional. So I rattled it off. He's very good. He's a villain as far as I learned from the Holy Bible. I said, Hey, tell me now, before the white boss came here to your country, did you know anything about God?
said yes. I said, Did you make a statue of your God?
says no, as they put you not people out of a would carve out the shape of a man or an animal, lion or a donkey?
Or the clay? Could you not make the shape of a man or a woman is yes. So why didn't you make a statue of your God says how Sir, how can you make a statue of God? He is Nikolic. So what is New Relic? What is New Relic? in your language is it means light? How can you make a statue of light?
You know what is telling me? He is telling me Allah? Allah, Allah, Allah is the light of the heavens in the earth. He's telling me in his own language, that he is light, how can you make a statue of light? I say he's a Muslim. And we say as a
man as a sickness, man, learn to find common ground, talk to the people, man, what is this concept and you find that he's talking what you want to tell him he's telling you allow him to somehow what he should have been and told him that that is what the Quran says that he is the light of the heavens. This mahalik in his language is new.
As you see, there is the African to me the African, almost every tribe that I know, has mbz not a single tribe made images of their gods, not a single tribe. As such, they were better than the Jews. The Jews are the hundreds of prophets coming to them. They were worn again and again, that die. God is a jealous God, he shall have no other gods before him. Not even the likeness of the things on Earth are in the heavens about or in the what has been in the sea. First he says My name is I'm a jealous God, I shall have no other gods before me. Yet they made the golden calf, the Jews.
The Africans, then made new images, new statues of the gods, they are nearer to the to Islam than any other people. But I don't know. Yeah. So blind, we can see, talk to the man talk to them, show the common grounds that this is the same as we want you to go back to the same concept that you had before the white boss came before he twisted your brains. Go back. And by going back, you're going forward.
a beat the pope is arriving soon to South Africa. I prefer to meet him. I'll be very happy. I had sent a letter to him that your holiness, you're talking about a dialogue dialogue. You know, he's talking about dialogues. He went to Turkey, he said we must have a dialogue with the Muslims, when he went to Nigeria said we must have a dialogue with the Muslims. When he went to Kenya I said we must have a dialogue with the Muslims went to Morocco. He said we must have a dialogue with the Muslims. I said come Your Holiness, let us have a dialogue has a big story. There's another big study.
Also in this book,
in Sharla, and I in September, when I returned from England, I might deliver a lecture on this book.
Islam is the answer to the Pope's pious pronouncements and the lecture inshallah, in this whole,
you know, he's talking about dialogue here in this book as well, that we must have a dialogue with the followers of the prophet
in this book, in this latest book of his, so his then I offered this in the daily in the Sunday Tribune. I said, Look, man, come on, man. Your book says we must have a dialogue. And I'm looking for a bishop and the Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church, or the Anglican church or the DRC. Come and let us have a dialogue. But no, they want to come and knock at your door. Catch you out one by one. Because you're ignorant you don't know you have no knowledge to push things down your throat as it come in talk man, there'll be I can get 40,000 people in the king's parking spot. 40,000 Hindus, Muslims and Christians and Jews 40,000 people at my expense. Come and talk to them. You want a
dialogue? Come on, let's have a dialogue in public.
The silence has changed mice.
Mr. Nice to meet you. My name is diamond lol I'm from USA. And I would like to ask you a couple of questions for not only one okay. You said that the Lord Almighty is in every everything within the cosmos. For me, it makes everything he does. He also permits in in the fear
in the within the cosmic to does he permit stare in the in?
I have a little poem. I think you're giving me an opportunity.
William Wordsworth, the British poet. He describes it and this is truly slamming William Wordsworth. He says in his Tintern Abbey, his book of poetry called Tintern Abbey. He says about God who
dwelling is the light of setting suns, and around ocean and the living a, and in the blue sky and in the mind of man in motion in a spirit that impairs all thinking things, all objects have all thought and rose through all things.
This is Islam. It happens to be William Wordsworth who said it, but it's fitting is describing what I wanted to say. And what you're asking, this is his dwelling is the light of settings that he doesn't recite there. He's not located there. But figuratively, his dwelling is the light of setting sons and around ocean and the living a blue sky and in the mind of man, emotion and a spirit that impels all things in things, all objects of all thought, and roles to all things, as he described it beautifully.
Yes, this is the last question. Yes. And after that, I'll ask my sisters, for that. 100. Rand, I wonder, I don't want to take it back with me. I want to give to somebody that
you see, for two reasons why a Muslim is not likely to have this book. reasons why a Muslim is not likely
to have this book. Book.
Two reasons. No, please, please, please, my brothers, please do forgive me, please. This is the last question. I mentioned this last question, please.
All good things, as we can carry on till midnight,
like, you know, in South Africa, like in countries like America, you know that those countries that are highly industrializing, we find that the rate of unemployment, you know, increases and that it results in a higher rate of crime, poverty, diseases, all those things, as we find that happening in South Africa, then how can Islam or Islam in association with other religions
can address these problems? What can they do in order to address the problem, especially to the historically disadvantaged people of this country who are the who are the majority in starvation? You see, the way we can established the kingdom of God on earth is to follow his instructions. Mankind wants peace.
But he does not want to be tied down to any law.
He wants to be free. He wants to make laws for everybody else, but he wants to have the license to do what he likes. He wants to be here like an animal.
The laws of God in the Quran and the Bible, they're giving remedies to your sicknesses in the Bible and the Quran,
and maybe in the Bhagavad Gita and the Ramayana, I don't know. If Swami Savas here, he might have helped us. But now I said, this is all in your book, The Christian USA, you got it in your book, but you don't want to follow it.
Jesus said, Jesus said,
if the eye offends you cast it out.
If the hand offends you, cut it off.
did Jesus say that it is this not in your book?
This is could have other meanings. ambiguities when you talk about the set in clear cut language.
That is the I often see meaning is this I have this lasting,
every woman that passed by, you give a second look and you stare and you feast. And the thought goes through your mind. Jesus said, You are already guilty of adultery. He said, it has been said by the whole time Thou shalt not commit adultery, But I say unto you, Whosoever look at upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Did he say that? Your God, did he say that?
Then how could you have long legged contest in beauty contests and beachbum contests?
You tell me
this is what Jesus This is your Lord says your God says and this air of yours is causing you to do this, it will take you to hell. Rather than that happened. Take it out, take it out and throw it away.
This hand is going when the formula that people's wives and daughters will take lead you to hell cut it off, man. Cut it off. This is what the teachings are there. But you don't want to follow any one of them. They call the Muslims barbarians for certain crimes, Mr. Chuck of the guy's hands because another comes top of his head.
This guy here is the guy who who kills six children, six children. He's got six life sentence or six from the age of two to 12
goes I think he killed and he's enjoying what is called a six life sentences.
That is the guy dies and comes back put him in a sentence and he put him back and he dies and this one again. Put him again. The hell you talking about? That guy will be out in 20 years time for good behavior and write his memoirs and make a million out of that. This is your culture. You are inviting all this
Go to the Bible. Go to your Bible man. You don't recite the Quran, the Quran, can I show you your Bible what your Bible says? But no, you don't want to know your Bible? Because your Bible will bring you to the Quran.
Yes, my sisters, our daughters that runs
two reasons, two reasons why a Muslim is not likely to have this book.
We don't need this book.
Because we haven't been educated to
talk to people to be able to converse with the next bring him around. Because because of the ignorance that we are in, we don't want to know anything else about religion. That's one reason and the second reason also could be that because we have
no need to search for something.
Next one, anybody else please? I don't want to take this back
to my daughters, I want to give to one of my child here. Come come come please.
very civilized very easy. As a matter of fact, I told you already. I told you already.
Come, come, come, come.
Come, come, come, come, come, come, come come two reasons. Two reasons.
I won't give you one last slide, please. Take it I want to give this money. All right, you you buy bread is coming for you as well. Two reasons why a Muslim is not likely to have this book two reasons.
Yes. What is the
next one, next one? Next one.
What do you find in that book is not in this book. This book is not.
I take you out of your suspense, and put my money back in my pocket,
you see, we Muslims are a lycra community means we are a people who don't read. We are not reading people. Number one.
We don't even read newspapers. We know that.
That's one reason we are not reading people. No Muslim magazine can survive in South Africa. Without charity. We know that. The al Kalam charity, anything else? charity, you don't subscribe for any newspapers. You go and ask my friend Mr. Mohammed McKee, the Muslim digest how he struggles to keep it alive.
Not because you know you don't subscribe for things. You expect the guy to come along and persuade you to get the money out of you. You are not avoiding people. We are not a reading people. We are a lycra community. The first word of Allah kisana been through him to us is read and we will say like, don't read.
But we don't say that, but in our life, we are not a reading people. Number One reason we are not reading people. Number 250 men men do men
told me to do this. This is answer.
Number one, we are not reading people. And number 259 99 to x men, some of them said you said that but I wanted this tool. We are not reading people. And we are this 5999 is is a ripoff it's a ripoff and critical one to be ripped off.
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