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Bismillah Ar Rahman AR Rahim
In the name of Allah most Gracious, Most Merciful.
We will start the evening
with a recital of a portion of the Holy Quran
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Salam alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
peace and the blessings of Allah upon all of you, brothers and sisters in Islam.
Ladies and gentlemen,
we welcome you all here tonight
to the lecture by Mr. Medina.
On the topic crucifixion
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will leave the judgment to you.
After Mr. Dida has delivered this lecture,
this is what one of a series of lectures
on similar or related topics.
We still have two more lectures after tonight.
That is anchored on the visual miracle. The Athlone Civic Center on Monday evening. And on Tuesday evening in Kensington Civic Center is Jesus God. We invite you to those lectures to Mr. Medina. this day and age needs no introduction,
we all know is from Debian
is borne out by the fact that he doesn't speak Afrikaans. So banana boy.
He has just returned from an extensive Arab country to
lecturing on these very topics. We are indeed fortunate to have such a man intimate and such a man. We so willing to answer our call when he came from his extensive tour?
I am sure you didn't come to listen to me. So I want to ask Mr. Medina to take the floor
in the shade anyway Jean
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem,
Jr. john hopkins, uphill battle
one minute, Ronnie Maharshi. From what I mean.
When I mean I love Asara soda Cola, soda.
and my dear brothers and sisters.
On the subject of the crucifixion,
the Muslim is told in no uncertain terms
in the Holy Quran, the last and final revelation of God.
He is told in chapter four verse 1571, Matata Lu masala boo, that they didn't kill him.
And they did not crucify him.
While Lakin should be alone, but it was made to appear to them so that is what they thought they had done. The Jews.
Were in Allah Xena, Stella foofy laughing shocking minimum and those who dispute they're in a full of doubts. Marla can be human when they have no certain knowledge electabuzz son, the only
Following conjecture, guesswork fiction
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Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen,
have been more explicit,
In rejecting the dogma of faith than this?
The answer is impossible. The only one who could afford to do such thing would be the Almighty, omnipotent, omniscient, Lord of the Universe, is the only one who's entitled to speak in such terms electabuzz Sun, the only follow conjecture, guesswork fiction.
The Muslim believes
in this authoritative statement of the Holy Quran, as of God, from Allah, Allah Himself.
Hence, he asks no questions, and he seeks for no proof.
He says, My Lord said, This is what my Lord says. Amina said, we hear and we refer
to this Muslim attitude, the Christian reports
that we do not accept your book,
the Holy Quran, as of God, and as such, it holds no authority for us.
And the further reason that how can a man
1000 miles away from the scene of the happenings of the alleged crucifixion
and 600 years away in time, tell us what happened in Jerusalem some 600 years before.
He say that this is from God, the omnipotent, omniscient, all knowing he knows, and he has revealed this knowledge to his messenger Muhammad.
The Christian says, had we believed in the statements of the Quran as of God, then they would have been no problem, we would all have been Muslims. And that is actually what will happen if they believe that this is the last column they would do all Muslims.
They say, for the claim that we have written records,
in our scriptures of eyewitnesses, and your witnesses to the happenings in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john.
Now, if the Christian react
again against the Muslim and attitude,
if you react strongly we can understand, because his salvation depends upon this belief.
To him, this is the most important thing of his religion.
As St. Paul, the self appointed 13th apostle, the self appointed 13th, apostle of Jesus Christ.
claims in the book of Corinthians, First Corinthians, chapter 15, verse 14, he says,
If Christ is not risen from the dead, our preaching is vain. Your faith is failing.
In other words, you've got nothing. He's telling his Christian fellow Christians who said, Look, if this had not happened, Christ coming back from the dead, then all of Christianity is worthless, worthless. The Americans would say garbage, it's all garbage, nothing, you haven't got a thing. The only thing you have is is telling Paul is telling the Christians is the death and resurrection of Jesus. If that is not there, you haven't got a thing to tell anybody else. And we know the truth of the statement. Because no Christian comes and tells us that we will teach you hygiene. I'm talking about personal hygiene. We are the most hygienic people.
No Christian will come and tell you that we will teach your hospitality We are the most hospitable people.
No Christian can come and tell you that we will teach you ethics or morality.
Though we have a lot of shortcomings, but in South Africa, we can boast that the Muslim he has the lowest alcoholic consumption in the country. He has the lowest gambling rate in the country. He has the lowest prison rate in the country. He has the lowest suicide rate in the country. He has the lowest divorce rate in the
Contrary, and he has the highest charity rate in the country. There is not another religious group in this country who can show a candle to us that we are better than you. There isn't.
The only thing the Christian can tell us is that you have no salvation. There is no agenda for you. There is no heaven for you, because all your good deeds, he says,
are like filthy rags, rubbish, all your good deeds, your Salah, your heart, your heart, your soul. All these are like filthy rags. And he quotes from the book of Isaiah chapter 64. Worth six
filthy rags, they come for nothing. Salvation only come through the blood of the Lord Jesus.
Now the title of this evening's talk, as well as the booklet on the subject that has been given to you, crucifixion, or fantasy fiction.
See one one. As the words it's hard for you to catch the joke between fiction and crucifixion and fit to in fiction.
It sounds the same when the speaker is speaking, crucifixion or crucifixion, you see, what is it is repeating the same word How can it be or this
but when you see it in front of your eyes, and you see this fiction is something else from the fiction.
might seem to some of our brethren, somewhat a little provocative.
But let me assure you, my brethren,
that these words are borrowed words, I have borrowed it from the Christians own toolbox. These are not my words. I didn't create them.
You see the American Christians, the Gospels, the Bible compares the Crusaders.
fellows like Garner, Ted Armstrong,
the executive vice president of the plain truth magazine, which is boasting today, 6 million copies a month. Free distribution 6 million a month.
This guy Martin Armstrong,
he attempts to answer his own puzzle under the heading was the resurrection. a hoax hoax? Not my words, his words. Is it a hoax? He's asking the question, is it a hoax?
And he elucidates his poser hoax with the words the resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is either the supreme fact of history or a flagrant deliberate fabrication. strong words, not my words. This is how the American stop is a flagrant, deliberate fabrication. Another budding young Billy Graham,
from America is certain Josh McDowell of the Campus Crusade. He accuses in his book, The resurrection factor, saying, I was forced to the conclusion that is after 1000 hours of specialized study on the subject of crucifixion, he said I was forced to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is either again they always keep on using the word either the first fellow said either this or that either
one of the most wicked heartless wishes hoaxes. Look not my words. These are not my words, this is how they talk to Americans, this high pressure, religious salesmanship
superlatives of the highest order, they know how to use them
is a since it is not possible. I say, for an oriental like me,
and Eastern like me, to emulate the superlatives of our Western president.
We have to borrow the words, and we use them in meetings titles like this. We just had a meeting in, in December last year, a debate between myself and a member of the Church of Christ.
Great Debate, price crucified, hoax or history. The other words, hoax or history. And we went on to prove that it was a hoax.
Last month, that is much ad for the same claim truth. The father of Ghana runs from his father, Herbert Armstrong, he says,
The resurrection fact of fable.
These are not our titles. We don't use words like that. It is easy. Is it a fact or is it a fable? is a fact or fiction?
Am I going too far out?
He says he's asking the question fact or fable says to look into the fable as a fact or fiction.
Mr. Chairman, somebody sends any tenesmus or electrification in the atmosphere. People seem to be too tight.
You know, I can see my brothers and sisters a bit too tight, you know, as
the spellbound mesmerized, I want you to relax a little please.
At least relax. And to do that look, if I may sidetrack a little. I have the 20. Ron, did you give it to me? You forgot?
I had an idea.
You haven't got it with what have you got with you?
I want to make you people feel a little bit at ease.
I want to offer this 20 rounds.
to anybody here.
who can give me the source of this quotation?
The statement I'm going to make now?
Whether it was Moses, the Holy Prophet Moses, Marx, Karl Marx, or Muhammad? Who are these words?
I'm quoting for those my enemies.
Who would not that I should reign over them, rule them? Bring them here? Bring them here and slay them before me kill them in front of my eyes.
The first person who gives me the author of that statement? Yes, this.
Moses marks on Muhammad. Put up your hand, put up your hand.
Come on, put up your hand in the ranks.
Anybody? Moses, Max or Mohammed?
Come on, come on. Please. Man, look, the string the runs are going I don't put them back in my pocket they're eating.
My Christian brother.
The brother wants me to repeat it. I said this petition. Where does it originate?
I was asking Moses marks or Mohammed?
The quotation is for those my enemies, you know, my enemies, my enemies? Who would know that I should remove them.
I want to be the king dictator of you all. And if you don't want that, I'm telling my followers here my disciples, look, bring them here and kill them. slay them before me Who said that? Moses masa, Mohammed Who said that?
Come on, come on one more, one more time.
You can help us.
See people don't know their own Bible.
Luke chapter 19, verse 27.
Jesus Christ said for those my enemies, who would know that I should reign them rule them. Bring them here in front of me and kill them. slay them before me. Jesus Christ. Did you say Jesus? Did anybody hear him say Jesus?
Sally, Sally. That brother. Are you a Christian?
He knows his Bible he deserves to Indira
those James at the back on that side. Could you please reserve
that row for the ladies, you can join us on the stage please.
Like having a little better
or a little more relaxed now. Me to
see those 20 runs.
This was Jesus Christ on his way to the triumphant
royal entry of Jerusalem. That Easter weekend when he's supposed to have been crucified is marching on to Jerusalem
The statement is making on the way
and on the way his followers people that flocking around him and marching with him, and they're saying,
The kingdom of God will be established and the minute
riding a donkey to fulfill prophecy Zechariah chapter nine, verse nine, says, tell ye the daughters of Simon, behold, Thy kingdom come at your king is coming, sitting upon an ass when a donkey and a great multitude spread the garments and branches in the way and the multitude cried saying hosana to the son of David, and hooray, hooray to the son of David, for Santa to the king of Israel.
Hosanna in the highest hooray, hooray, hooray.
Matthew chapter 27, verses five and nine.
And the beloved physician Lucas's because he was near to Jerusalem, and because he thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luke chapter 19, verse 11, immediately, there was a turmoil in the air. There was electrification in the air, Jesus Christ was marching on to Jerusalem to the temple of Jerusalem. And they were making a big noise. They were throwing flowers in Israel, they were three palm leaf families in his way. vasana, gray vasana gray.
And the priests, the Jewish priests, they pleaded with Jesus said, Look, subdue your disciples, subdue them, you know, things might go out of hand. The Romans are ruling us any minute they can find an excuse for killing our people, subdue them. So Jesus says, if these were to be quiet, even the stones will cry.
see the spirit, if they are subdued, the stones will cry out.
And he marches into the temple, and he upsets the monitoring the stables, he takes a whip and he starts whipping the people is the you making the house of God into a den of thieves.
The kingdom of God was almost to be established by the whole thing went off like a damp squib failed,
all the vasanas worthless, all the hoorays useless.
Now, you see this is a reward for success. Similarly, there is a price you have to pay for failure.
The kingdom of God, rule of God Almighty on Earth was to be established any minute immediately.
And we started crying, you see the whole the all the people are going mad after him.
Them scrape, the thing was a failure. It didn't work.
So now we reach that upper room in Jerusalem, where they're supposed to have had the Last Supper.
While having the supper, he knew that this guy Judas Iscariot, was in league with the temple authorities. He was going to be three. So Jesus tells him go and get going with do what you have planned to do. Get it over with. And he tells his disciples, this is you remember previously, I sent you out on your mission of preaching and healing.
And when I sent you, I told you
when I sent you without purse, no extra purse, and script and shoes. literally anything. Did you like anything? This is No, there's nothing then say GM to them. But now
but now. He that had lupus let him take it. And likewise his bag. And he that had no sword sword, the one to cut people's throats. Chop off people's necks sword as who are the sword? Those who have no sword. Let him sell his garments and buy one.
Luke chapter 22 verses 35 and 36.
Preparation Can you see preparation for war for defense.
That match had failed. And now trouble is brewing.
in that upper room, they will be setting targets, setting targets for the Jews. So he takes his disciples in the middle of the night midnight
and he walks them five miles out of town to a place called get 70 and olive press a courtyard stone walls
and he puts eight of his devoted disciples. These disciples who are beating their breasts in the tap room, Master anything happens to you we are prepared to die for you. Master. We are prepared to go to prison for you.
To the capacity, what the circumstances would allow
to the teeth. And he puts eight of his devoted disciples at the gate, he says, is a city here, while I go and pray yonder I alone, I'll go and pray beyond
the gate. Watch with me. So watch what
what is it watch in the middle of the night in Germany all impressed. There's nothing that watch. No, keep God because the Jews will after his blood, they'll be coming for him. So you keep God here, eight at the gate. And he takes with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, Peter rock.
And the two sons of Zebedee, describe the Sons of Thunder in the book in the Bible. And he makes an inner life line of defense. And he took with him Peter, and the two sons of Zebedee, then said he unto them, Terry here and watch with me, Matthew, chapter 26, worth verses 37 and 38.
And he goes a little further,
and prays to God for help.
And he goes a little further and falls on his face, and prays to God, that Oh, my father, if it'd be possible, let this cup pass from me, meaning remove the difficulty for me, but not as I will. But as our as a good Muslim. he submits his will to the will of God.
If you want me to die, I don't mind but Oh, my Lord saved me.
being in an agony, we are told by Luke chapter 22, verse 44, and being in an agony,
he prayed more honestly. And his sweat was, his sweat was as if it were three drops of blood falling down to the ground.
A man of God,
a true man of God, a righteous servant of God, crying with such agony, using the God of mercy wouldn't happen to his prayer.
When he said, that you ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. So whosoever asked that receiver, and he that shall be opened unto him, which man is there a few that he will send will ask for bread will humorous tone or gas official give mistake? Is that
the Father in heaven, the loving Father in heaven? would he do that?
She's one of the fourth brother of Jesus Christ, according to the Christians. James, chapter five, verse 16, he says, The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. It carries weight. Some cynical remark that if you cry out like that, even the lord of mercy, the Father in heaven, will come down from his throne to answer your call.
You cry like that?
Bring him down from his throne, he must come to your aid.
And God accepted his prayers.
In the days of his flesh, means while he was here with us, he had offered a presence applications with strong crying and tears, and to him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that if he had he was heard his God heard his prayers. What does it mean God? What does it mean God is deaf at any time? He's all hearing
the whispers it was secret 30 years. What does it mean God heard it means God accepted.
Zechariah in his old age, he prayed for a son, and God heard his prayers and john the baptist was born.
Ibrahim Ali Salam is only pray for his son and Allah heard his prayers and ish my l was born he smiles my
you know what is my l? means God her literally means in Hebrew God her What? The prayer of Abraham, materialized Reshma, l in Hebrew means God heard
the prayer of Abraham.
God Almighty answers his prayer. And they appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. Luke, chapter 22 verse 43,
the angel came and strengthen him in the hope the assurance that God Almighty will come to his rescue.
But strange as it may sound,
the tomb of the Jesus Christ is will the preparation he had made at the gate in a line of defense when he offers hot, boring, stupid
And when he returns, the guys have gone to sleep, his disciples going to sleep.
Can you imagine the people who tried to get the life for him, go to prison for him? They've gone to sleep.
So Jesus says, What? Could you not wash with me for one hour? One hour.
Matthew chapter 26, verse 40, you can't wait with me watch with me for one hour, I put you on guard. You know, if they were in the South African army, they would have been caught Marcia shot a whole lot of them.
Your masters life is in danger. The man is crying, sweating blood.
And you go to sleep.
And he goes and plays again, and he returns they want to sleep again.
We want to look Jesus's. Now our friend Mark tells us 1440, Mark says
they couldn't explain the disciples couldn't explain why they were behaving like that. Neither knew they what to answer him. They didn't know what to answer, what's wrong with you?
What is happening to you, my life is in danger.
And you're going to sleep again and again.
So mum says, neither knew what to answer him for the answer.
What excuse for you?
And Luke 2245 says, and when he Jesus rose from prayer, and was come to his disciples, now Luke is a physician, a doctor Medical Man of his time.
He was not one of the 12.
But he is now giving an excuse what was happening? As a physician, we must listen to him. He says.
And when he Jesus rose from prayer, and was coming to His disciples, and he found them sleeping for sorrow, for sorrow.
There's a clear explanation by God, I tell you ask any medical man anybody knows anything about medicine? Anything or physiology about human body? You can ask him, can you sleep for sorrow? Anybody? Can you sleep for sorrow? When your father is dying? Somebody says, I'm coming to burn your house, burn your father and mother down and you sleep for sorrow. Can you sleep for sorrow?
nature, Allah, Allah, the creator has given to us every human being.
That internal self, injecting hormone, adrenal, the adrenal gland, it secretes into the body, a hormone, you can't sleep.
On the trial, tribulation, Tomas, you can sleep as any lady any woman, her child is sick and she goes to sleep in sorrow. The husband is dying and she sleeps in sorrow. Or the man can sleep in sorrow when his wife is dying,
usually for sorrow.
When the life of your hero your master is in danger, usually for sorrow.
He didn't know anything about medicine, what we know today, how do you know you wouldn't have put that thing in.
You see, the disciples of Jesus that they had everything on the house here means everything free in the upper room, free food, and free wine. When you eat too much, and you drink too much, this is what happens.
There is no other reason you can stay for sorrow.
You can sleep for fear, the only time you can go to sleep. When you're at your post in the army. If you have been eating too much and drinking too much, no matter what is happening around you, the bombs are falling, you can still go off.
This is what had happened. They go to sleep.
So when the Jews came with the Roman soldiers, they found them napping for the napping, sleeping. Literally, the Englishman says with the pants down.
They were caught with their pants down the disciples, they were snoring away. And these guys with Roman soldiers, they just tumbled over them and they go into the garden and they want to apprehend Jesus.
So in the inner line of defense, to Christ was very close to them crying, waiting, talking to God, so they couldn't sleep.
So one of them said, Master, Master, shall we smite them with the sword?
So they had saw we have more than one
shots. We didn't get them from Jesus told them you remember?
to defend themselves against the Jews.
But the Jews were cleverer than what he thought. The castle is a human being.
Macario Macario law are located in marketing, and they plan a new plan but the best plan is God Jesus plan and the Jews planned. In this case the Jews plan was
Better than his. They came with Roman soldiers
and untrained disabled no matter what spirit you have, you know overeaten Tran And now comes along you know the Roman soldiers trained men and you're going to start putting up a fight Peter did this last the year of one of the gods and Jesus it put down your sword
again the sword into its place all day that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew chapter 26 verse 32, didn't you know that before? That who take up the sword shall perish perish? Or did you know why do you tell them the arm? Why the change now? It's much natural. Once you get caught out.
The good gentleman he throws in the towel. The British in Singapore against the Japanese 85,000 British they threw down the song, two guns 85 pounds, the biggest surrender in the history of the British Empire. 85,000 the surrender to the Japanese 85,000 Can you imagine 85,000 soldiers with all the arms and ammunition the surrender like women? No.
Don't call themselves the wheel moves with the shoe pinches the jungle knows better luck next time. Put down the salt. quarter million British they fled Fm dunkerque. Remember, quarter million Can you imagine quarter million?
We can't you have to see them. What a million. Are they a woman? No, no
better luck next time that the 1000 Egyptians in 1973. They were surrounded by the Jews.
This happens again in October 2011. soldiers had to flee for the life.
This man is a
great thinker. He can see that now his quantum. And his disciples would have any resistance each and every one would be wiped out. So he said now look put down your sword, because now he lives by the sword die by the sword.
As the situation changes, he was telling them to turn the other cheek. He was telling them forgive 70 times seven. Then he says now arm yourself and you find that it didn't work is an up or down your sword. This is sensible man, sensible, General sensible officer doing the job.
The Jews captured him. And they take him before the Sanhedrin they learned men of the Jews. And they bring false witnesses against him one after another. And they can tell you in their evidence. Why? Because it's all false. They making false charges against this messenger of God.
And fast it's a fast it's not a trial. It's a fast, it's a joke. So Jesus Christ couldn't tolerate it anymore. So he says,
I speak openly to the world.
No secret doctrines openly to the world I ever taught in the temple and in the synagogue with the Jews always gather in secret Have I said nothing.
That you can implicate me nothing. And never preach anything in secret, which I was not prepared to preach in public. In that case, you would have had hundreds of witnesses to testify against me. But you're getting witnesses and they're all false. They can't even tell it in the concocted evidence.
The argument that Jesus was putting forth was so potent.
That What are you trying to do?
So the officer who was standing by slapped him in the face, shut him up what they called the third degree, you know, the third degree
Beco headed because
our mom had it.
a mom of the law, third degree, third degree.
Third Degree says I slapped him in the face with that silence in
that silence him.
He says if I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil. But if well, why smite has done me what you're hitting me for.
Remember that? How he spoke back defended himself against the Sanhedrin that you people are concocting things, and this is very unfair, unjust. And now you you try to apply the third degree hitting me to silence me. What's wrong with this? Is this Jewish law or any law, any sane law, civilized law doing things like that, but they were intent on doing away with the man because they had decided even beforehand that it was expedient that one men die for the nation. This man young man, very enthusiastic, he's got a big following. He can pray to Melinda in the community. And in that case, there will be an insurrection and the Romans will come back with a clamping down upon us
and kill our Jews. Rather we kill this one fellow and save the nation. So it is expedient not right or wrong. It is
expedient that one men die for the nation they had already decided upon that hook or by crook. So this allow the Christ,
the Son of the living God, and he was the Christ. He was the Messiah, Son of the living God. It was a very innocent Jewish expression. God has got sons by the tongues in the Bible. At question time, you may ask me and I'll give them to you like that. Sons by the tons to in his stance
in the Bible
says yes. So this is the his last name is Nick Cooper. What neither of me for any further evidence and you start tearing his clothes. This is to demonstrate that Ruth has made blasphemy kill him, but they had no power they say. So they take him to the Roman government. Next morning.
When they take him there, they change the charge. See, they said look this guy to them, internally this look, this is blustering Megan COVID, for that she deserves that. He's Christ,
meaning God, Son of God, God, which means nothing like that.
In the language, he didn't mean that. But if you are looking for trouble This is you don't have to go very far. In any innocent expression, you can find force and they found that is right. But now they can kill him. So they take him to Pilate, the Roman governor, and they can tell him this man has made Kufa blasphemy joke. He had his men goes beyond counting. So another man called the Jew So what? So this you know, he's claiming to be Christ, a king. Now that will change the word Christ you mean a king.
To them as a Christ means aboard
his cover now to pilot this and he's claiming to be Christ a king.
So conscious pilot questions Jesus, he says about the King of the Jews, are you?
Are you the king? He says now says that's what you say. I didn't make any such claims. And when he's pressed further, he says, may Connie Craig is me from third world me. My kingdom is not of this world.
May Conakry is needed here the world.
In other words, man is a spiritual kingdom. So to pilot is a look, the guy may be mad is not right in his head, but he is not a danger to the state. So he comes forward and says I find no fault in the men at all. He's innocent of what you people are charging him he's an innocent man. So they say if you let this man go, you are not a friend of Caesar. In others we will complain to Rome said you allow people like this to carry on and one day he creates trouble he said look you may want So Pilate is blackmailed into giving into the Jews, but in his heart and mind, the man is innocent. He said I find no fault in the men at all. His wife had seen a dream since the scripture in which she
was told that no harm should come to this just man. She sent a message to her husband Solukhumbu everything wrong with this man is a good man on account of him and so many things happening to me. Scituate, Alice is innocent. But what is he to do? He is weak. Jesus said that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
Human beings are like that. We know where it is, but sometimes we give him So Pilate gave in
our learned Christian Brethren,
the preachers, they tell us that Jesus was led to the slaughter like a lamb, like a sheep before a shear is dumb. He opened his mouth. He had said maanden need work some acne. He hates mondini work Come on me. He opened not his mouth. He opened his mouth.
I'm asking how did you speak?
Ask them. When they tell you he didn't open his mouth. He was like a sheep before he shared his dumb like a lamb. He's going to slaughter him. And he didn't open his mouth. Ask them how did he say?
If I spoken even bear witness of the evil but if well, why smiles Tell me. How did the words come out from his head?
Where did the words come from? He didn't open his mouth his mouth shut. Was he a ventriloquist. You know, when the locusts, Charlie McCarthy and his goal. You know he makes the dog who says anybody's uttering wise from his throat and meeting is that Paul is talking
ventriloquism. Look, we believe that he gave life to the dead, Jesus guys, because permission. He healed the blind and delivers by God's permission, but I'm not prepared to believe that he was a country localist he was throwing his voice underneath and you know, with his mouth closed and he was making people to think that they are hearing voices coming from other way other side
open not his mouth before
Pontius Pilate, he said, My kingdom is not of this world. Where did the words come from? He said, he opened not his mouth. You know, amazing thing. This born again Christians, a fellow, a lawyer by profession. He writes a book, born again, he was born again and he's a lawyer. He writes a book in which he says, I'm quoting, he says, Isaiah predicts about Jesus Christ.
Once he quotes, he would not defend himself At his trial, he would not defend himself At his trial.
And in bracket, Jesus did not.
in inverted commas, he opened his mouth. These are not trained lawyers, professional lawyers, born again Christian with the spirit in them, and they write these things. He opened not his mouth. Please tell us how did you speak?
How do people
before God is crying? So my father, if it'd be possible, let this cup pass from me the words trial and tribulation before Sanhedrin did he speak? He did. Why did the guy slept in because it was very cold in defense he was putting up but the pilots Why did he say I find no fault with the man because he put up a beautiful defense. My kingdom is not of this world.
But I don't know how to reason with these people. I don't know you'll find very, very difficult.
With this type of sickness, when the guy comes along to your house, I tell you it is useless please tell them what is the hartamas Salama, when you meet the ignorant when you say peace, Salam
lacantina camaleon then you say to you your religion into me mind you go your way I go my way
to see people. You're not sick.
Allah says testifies in the Quran, Muna. Among them, the Jews and the Christians there are good people. Alas, so
what for a second, but the majority of them are perverted transgressors. So there are two different ways of dealing with them. I have given you this booklet, it deals how to deal with the type who comes along, you know with a sickness, then you must know how to get the sickness out of him.
Otherwise open the Quran show it to him. This is what the law says. This is what Allah says, to work with your tea and your sisters with your tea and
This is the destiny of Islam Allah has given it to us.
He says Lucy here who Allah is giving you a Deen to master overcome and supersede them all. All? Whether it be Judaism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and communism, every Islam Islam is destined to master them all. This is your destiny.
That is all. And I made these booklets available to you to deal with the sickness, how you deal with it look so easy once you know it's so easy. The man says he opened his mouth I asked him how did this mean? Was he a ventriloquist?
as a Muslim I can accept that.
When you look his three voices
after his eldest crucifixion, it was Sunday morning, the first day of the week.
Mary Magdalene she goes to the tomb
alone. That's what the Bible says.
And when she goes to the tomb, we are asking, Why did she go there?
So the Gospel says she went to anoint him.
So we are asking
you see this Hebrew word? No, it means this must have must have means to refer to massage to anoint. So we are asking the question is do Jews massage dead bodies after three days, do they?
Because within three hour rigor mortis sets in, you know the hardening of the cells, the body starts fermenting from inside such a rotting body when you massage it falls to pieces. Does it make sense? After three days she wants to go and massage the dead rotting body. Do Jews do that? As the Jews they say no.
I say you Christians do you massage their bodies after three days?
The answer is no.
We Muslims We are the closest to the Jews. Do we massage their bodies after three days? Do you Muslim
closest to the Jews in our ceremonial law.
Then why should a dress want to go along and wanting to massage a dead rotting body?
she goes there and she's worried about the two not a great boon. And when she goes there, she find that the stone is removed. She was worried about the stone who's gonna remove the stone
She's alone. The stone is removed and she looks inside the Whitney. She's inside.
So she starts to cry. Now, let us cry for our brothers and sisters at the back for a few seconds if you don't mind.
There is a crunch there at the back. Mr. Chairman, is there any way you can solve some problem? What is it?
There are a few empty seats in front here for the ladies that were standing at the back with the Jameson offer the seats to these ladies if there ain't more.
Isn't there some gems on that side? That side was reserved for the ladies. There are sorts of seats on the stage for the James please with stop now to help you. If those people they please come to the stage.
I'm sorry, I'm showing my back to you my brothers and sisters.
There are still some men sitting on that side. Please, could you offer those seats to the ladies?
So the lady starts to cry is an anticlimax to what she had expected.
Jesus was watching her
from wherever he was not from heaven, but from this earth. You see, this was a privately owned property belonging to Joseph avari Mati a secret disciple of Jesus, a very rich, influential Jew, who could afford to carve out of a rock, a big Rooney chamber, which According to Jim Bishop, a Christian authority, he says it was five feet wide by seven feet high by 15 feet deep with a ledger ledges inside. Around that was his vegetable garden.
Now don't tell me that this Jew was so generous. He was planting vegetables five miles out of town for other people, sheep and goats to graze upon.
No Jews don't do that. No Christians, no Muslims will do silly things like that.
She must have got his garden squatters people to look after his garden, and perhaps his country home, where even during the weekend for his holidays with his family. Jesus's day he sees this woman he know who she is. And he comes up to her. And he says fro borromini me Suki says woman why we passed out. Now, I'm asking Doesn't he know
why this is such a silly question.
He knows that she's rooting for him.
And you know, she's disappointed. She's crying. Why does he ask such a silly question?
As a no no, it's not a silly question. Actually is pulling her leg. Metaphorically.
He still got the sense of humor.
Says flow borromini Mizuki say headhunting the detainee was she supposing him to be the gardener. I said why don't you suppose is a gardener do resurrected bodies look like gardeners today? That everybody all of us when we are resurrected everybody will look like a gardener so the wife can make out a husband she doesn't know the difference between a husband and a son in law she's confused and a grandfather and a father everybody's the same all gardeners
know the resurrected body will be you yourself everybody will recognize you you will be the real you know this common flash flood is changing all the time the real you the real me you'll find you'll you'll be recognized inshallah
so she's opposing him he
as he home
if you have taken him hence safer may worry home Nicola head. Tell me where have you laid him to rest to relax to recuperate and excel home? ruthenium and EC EC alone cell home him not dead rotting body
that I may take him away. I said, Well,
what does she want to do with the dead rotting body? After three days? take him home, put him under a bed pickle him What does he want to do with the rotting body? I asked. You
know, she's not looking for a dead rotten body. She's looking for a live person. She was about the only woman besides Joseph of Arimathea, Nicodemus, were given the final rest of the body of Jesus. She was there. So if she has seen signs of life, she was not gonna shout until the doozy is alive. He is alive. Who did they kill him? So after three days, she goes there and she wants to
treat him help him. Take him away for treatment
and excellent home.
The choke is going to fall.
So Jesus says, Mary, wait, he said, Mary, she recognized that this is Jesus. You know, all of us, we have our unique ways of calling our neurons our dear ones. Yeah. I might know your wife's name, but the way you call her and the way I'm going to call that name is not the same. You agree? We have our unique ways everybody. So he says Mary, recently she recognized she's so she wants to grab him
to do what to bite him.
To pay respects we Eastern people.
Master Master, this is rock mini Omni touch me not. I say why not? is a bundle of electricity or Dynamo. The refutations will get electrocuted? No. Why not? I said because it hurts. You tell me why?
For I'm not yet ascended. And to my father, officially blind? Can she see the man is standing there beside her? What does it mean? I'm not going up. When
I say in the language of the Jew, in the idiom of the Jew, he's saying, I am not dead yet.
So from there, we find, he tells her gives her advice to go and kill his brother and that
So she goes and tells them
an amazing thing. These disciples of Jesus Amazing, amazing reactions. Mark chapter 16, verse 11,
and the the disciples and the disciples, when they heard that he was alive,
that he was alive, a Li ve Li not resurrected. This is the scripture Mark 1611 that he was alive and had been seen by her by Mary Magdalene. She says she saw him alive.
They believe not.
The Bible says didn't believe.
The woman says, Look, I saw him he said they didn't believe it. Why didn't they believe?
She's testifying that look, I met him I spoke to him.
And they didn't believe? Why would they not believe because of the depth of their minds. This man Jesus was dead.
And his talk, she's talking about a live person. She has a she's seen the ghost of Jesus, the spook of Jesus, the Spirit of Jesus, they would I believe.
But she's not talking about spook and ghosts. And
she's talking about the man is alive.
Because they had they know they believe spirits going to pigs. It's in the Bible. The spirits went into pigs in 2000 100 of them, they ran down the hill, and y'all got drunk spirits going to pigs there. So this will be the own eyes, people going into pigs.
This was between two trees and tying them up from the very roots. They saw they believe anything. But to believe that the living Jesus is alive that they couldn't believe it. She said
they wouldn't believe his proposal, right? But not him.
I'm only quoting she she said he's alive. And they didn't believe the disciples wouldn't believe.
He's going to Emmaus on the way to Emmaus. He's got two disciples of his walking side by side. And he's preaching to them about what had happened the previous three days.
Five miles they walk and they still can't recognize them and ask your why.
He's disguised like Paul Mooney, in the Buddha. He looked like a real the King and I that was that.
You know, when these guys when they take those paths, you think the guy that is versus Indonesian, or in Indonesia, Chinese Siamese, the Siamese King. You believe that when you see the guys on the screen, you believe that the guy is a Siamese King when he's the European
When you accept part of Pharaoh, in the 10 commandments, you think that he is Pharaoh? He's an Egyptian? No, no, they're so realistic.
So Jesus Christ, he's got such a fantastic disguise. He's talking with his disciples five miles and they don't recognize the man. Why? Because this guy is not because he's resurrected.
He's disguised. So when the rich Emmaus he makes it there is going to carry on. So this is time to eat, come and join us.
So he's persuaded when he is persuaded.
And it came to pass. Luke tells us chapter 24, verse 30, and it came to pass, as he said, Ed, as he said, eating
with them. He took bread and blessed it. They said the manner in which he break bread, the eyes were open.
It means what does it mean? The eyes opened means they recognize the man. It didn't mean they were walking 5 million eyes closed.
Look, this is a figure of speech means now they recognize the man the eyes were open not that they were walking by with closed eyes.
The eyes were open, they recognize the man. So when they recognize the man, Jesus vanished.
What did he do the Indian rope trick, you know, going up the rope and vanishing. He vanished when he went away out of sight. So these disciples, they run to the upper room with the head the Last Supper and they find the other day.
They were either ha
ha with it, and they won't tell them so you know, Jesus, he was with us and he sat down to eat and you know, the way he was breaking bread, breaking bread and the way he was dressing it, like we say Bismillah
Adonai eloheinu melech ha Olam. hamotzi Langham inherit. This is the Hebrew word thing. Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem, get started. So the V city they recognize that this is Jesus. So he vanished. This man, these guys now are a danger. They might go and kill everybody and I get into trouble.
So they run to that upper room defending them say Jesus, he said he was with us.
And Billy, and they said we can believe and in King Jesus said He stood in the middle. Like that vanishing trick, you know that these guys in Star Trek, you see in the TV sets. You know the guys, they D materialize and dematerialize somewhere in the D materialized. You think they did something like that? There's nothing like that.
In King Jesus, the doors being shut. That doesn't mean he came in through the keyhole, you know, like this. You see some time in film the show, you know, the smoke coming out and materializing into a Jin? Jin, no, no, he didn't say he threw the crevice in the wall. he crept through nothing of the kind. The doors were shut. This was a mansion.
My humble home in Berlin, we've got four entrances, my humble.
This is the mentioned and upper room. Surely there were other rooms other ways and means of getting into the house? I don't know how these brothers got the I don't know how they got there.
How did they get there? I don't know. But there must be a way. They didn't materialize and dematerialize from there. There must be a way I don't know. So in that upper room, he goes in the doors we shot.
The disciples were terrified. I'm asking why were they terrified? When you meet your long lost Master, your uncle, your grandfather, we Eastern people, we embrace one another, which is one another?
Why should the disciples of Jesus be terrified? So Luke tells us that they were frightened, because they thought he was a spirit.
Luke chapter 24, verse 37, he thought he was a spirit. I'm asking Did you look like a spirit? Listen, then I said, why should they think the man is a spirit and he didn't look like one.
As I tell you why, you see the disciples of Jesus they had heard from hearsay that the master was hanged on the cross. They had heard from hearsay when he bought what they had heard that he was hanging on the cross that he had given up the ghost died and now he's dead in Paris for three days a memory cell such a reputation you expect him to be stinking in his grave.
Such a person when you see naturally identify see the reason why they are terrified because they were not there. They will not eyewitnesses your witness to the happenings because Mark chapter 14 was 50 he says for all his disciples for Suki min flay to head almal to head almal home for blood and saflok allemaal I'm asking the African at the moment in your language. Does it mean all you Englishman does all mean all in your language? Use Zulu does monkey mean banca in your language
so they will know
all the knowledge and some hearsay but they're not they're terrified they think he's a ghost
So Jesus was reassure them that is not what they're thinking they think he's a ghost has come back from the dead. So he says cake number 100 and may photo CAKE CAKE. Have a look at my hands and my feet once it is Excel that it is I myself and the same fellow man them fools What are you afraid of before? Fool on May n cake
handle me and see what appears at me fleece and piano. So what's the lesson that a kidney for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me.
So if I go flesh and bones in that case, I'm not a spirit. I'm not a ghost. I'm not a spoke as Is that what it means in your language? You Englishman?
Is it? Yes and you Africa
says, Behold my hands and my feet in me, I know who that is I myself who Sunni wanzhou handle me and see.
For the spirit is no flesh and bones.
in any language, every language, it is so simple and straightforward. But how people can be programmed, brainwashed.
People can be brainwashed to, you must be bad.
People can be brainwashed, they are reading something and seeing something else. They're not seeing what is there. They're reading something in their own mother tongue and somebody is making them to understand just the opposite of what they're reading the exact opposite, not what is in there but opposite. He said a spirit has no flesh and bones. This is spirit has flesh and bones. Funny.
Jesus illustrated has no flesh and bones. In other words, he's not resurrected.
He's telling them that he's not resurrected, because the resurrected spiritualized so the clever philosopher who says was a Jesus. He said, where as Luke chapter 20, verse 36, we're talking about 2436 go back four chapters, you'll find it there. What Jesus says. So what does he say?
So you know, the Jews, were always coming to Jesus with poses and
want to make a fool of you want to make a mockery of him. Now they come to Him, they said, Master, in the Hebrew language rabbi, Imam,
Moses, I have molana
says there was a woman among us to dress and that woman has seven husbands.
Seven husbands she had,
according to Jewish practice, you see the Jews, they had a custom that the one brother died, and he had no left left no offspring, then the second politics and wife, and when he fails the third and when that guy fails, the fourth and the fifth, and the sixth, and the seventh, seven guys had this one woman one after another.
But there was no problem because it was one by one.
Now they want to know from Jesus that at the resurrection, Yom Okayama, when all everybody wakes up, same time from a temp eternity. Then seven brothers also waking up same time and they see this woman, this ma fro, everybody's ma fro, there's a war in heaven between the brothers, this is mine, this is mine.
This is a hike, seven brothers because they all had her, they want to have her on the other side. So they want to know which guy is gonna have her on the other side, because they all had a year.
This is what the Bible says they all had her here. So they want to have her on other side, which is going to have to be entitled to heaven on the other side. In answer to that Jesus says, neither shall they die anymore. Once they are resurrected, they will be immortalized.
This is a mortal body, which is what is mortal needs food, shelter, clothing, sex rest. Without these things. No Indians left, no African has left, no Malays left, nothing.
That body will be an immortal body, no food, no shelter, no clothing, no sex, no rest, neither shall they die anymore. For the equal and to the angels, meaning they will be in July, they will be spiritualized. They will be spiritual creatures, they will be spirits,
for the equalent to the angels, and the children of God, such as the children of the resurrection spirits. He says, when he has a new place in Vienna, sila seen that a kidney, His Spirit has no flesh and bones, I am not resurrected. How do you see simple basic knowledge? Why does he have to convince anybody that his spirit has no flesh and bones? You don't have to prove it to an atheist or an agnostic to a Hindu to a Jew, anybody? Everybody will believe that the speech spirits have no flesh and bones. Because they are thinking he is a spirit is come back from the dead system. I'm not there. How do you see you fools? What's wrong with you? And they believe not for joy. They are
overjoyed and wonder what happened? So he says,
have you here any meat something to eat? And again, a piece of bread and fish and a honeycomb and he had to did honey M and 400 yet
and he took it any act in the very sight as to what? That is a cost. There is a spirit that is resurrected,
resurrected bodies, he eat breakfast and Himiko today
is proving to them the same follow man what's wrong with you fools look, Mary Magdalene was alive. You know the other disciples. He's alive. They said and they believe not. Now these 10 they tell Thomas Thomas wasn't a
proficient honeycomb. It says I will not believe
this Doubting Thomas has become famous for Doubting Thomas is his boss's name. He said I will not believe
Why don't you believe because they tell you
not as ghost. He said, Look, we saw the ghost of Jesus. They see them every day. In those they're seeing them every day.
They're not talking about ghost about, about spirits. They're talking about him himself, the man eating crawfish and honeycomb, said I will not believe Eight days later, Jesus comes again. Now he sees this guy, Thomas has a Thomas
finger and Behold my hands and put your hand into my side and boom, be faithless. Now he realizes who he was. So he says, My God, My Lord.
So now the Christians he recognized that Jesus is God and Islam.
You know, you explain,
you go and report with the Special Branch that the that was preaching communism here to your communism. So they come along, give me Harris me, they give me trouble. And they tell me Eventually, he says, you know, just look at a friend, man who Mr. Mohammed is the he's the guy who was, you know, prodding us.
So, when I meet him, he brought my benefactor my friend, as a salary, my god.
Sally, oh, my God, he's my God.
As a solid, Allah, Buddha thing you have done solly Allahu Allah, so many people. This is an experiment of what a fool that I was man,
the 10 disciples telling that he is alive. And I said, I will not believe what reason that they have to lie. All the time. He just believed them all. Why? Because they were telling that he was a lie.
Now you know this crucifixion.
It has become a joke. By God, it has become a truth. You know, the way they have been trying to tell us about what a thing it was. It is not so serious as people have been preaching all along.
In the Philippines.
In the footsteps of Jesus, you will find in this book of mine, page 85. Don't open it now. Don't open up a file, you will find an article from Daraa Salaam of the Sunday news. You'll find their Jesus's footsteps. And you find
in there that this crucifixion crucifixion that seven persons Let me read it to you. Let me read it to you.
He says yeah, on Good Friday, at least seven cases of crucifixion were reported in the local press. But the word crucifixion is in inverted commas.
Six times in this article, the word crucifixion occur and every time in inverted commas, you know what that means? is even a crucifixion. It means the so called, you see when it is inverted commas. People talk about crucifixion, that it was not really crucifixion, in inverted commas. Instead of writing every time the so called crucifixion, the so called crucifixion, the newspaper loses its value.
So they don't want to tell you the names but they put it in inverted commas this reporter, Rick Cretan, you know, he had the brains he knew what he was doing six times, every time the word crucifixion is in inverted commas, meaning it was not really the crucifixion. Listen. on Good Friday, at least seven cases of crucifixion were reported in the local press. One of these was a Lucien was Luciana vas, a 33 year old factory worker, and the first one known to her perform the ritual first woman got crucified. But she wasn't crucified because she was alive. She lives she's still living.
So what do you call that? these Christians, this attorney from?
Bologna, born again, Christian, and this guy, Josh McDowell, they wrote a book.
And in that they are asking me the question.
They haven't got a word in their language for a person going on the cross and going through the ordeal and not die. Would you say he was crucified? When 20 years later somebody shot him? Or 20 years later, he was hanged. or five years later, a motorcar knocked him down. What was his no crucified? No, what was happening? What happened on the cross? There is no word in the English language for that they're making a mockery of me so I'll supply you the word
is educated fools. I tell you fools.
They haven't got a word in their own language.
To tell us what happened. A man is taken to the gallows. The moose is around his neck. The rope is pulled but before the man expires, the kangaroo was the main hand.
What one word Give me one word in your language. There isn't a word in your language to describe that. Is that my fault?
I said what it is, it is not crucifixion in inverted commas. It is crucifixion. These are fictions taking place. These affinities then.
So the woman now a woman is doing that she did it. first woman to do that. The crucifixion some shown live on television. They show them alive on television.
have now become the climax of Easter week in the Philippines. In some cases, they attract 1000s of visitors to provincial towns where the atmosphere is a blend of tangible and deep mourning. Something suggestion for our Christian brethren here, what about enacting something here in series, or somewhere around here in Vancouver? We'll get 1000s of people coming along to see the fun.
They are in the Philippines. They're getting themselves hung on the cross, nailed, nailed.
And they're not dying
is because they're doing it for kicks, kicks for enjoyment for pleasure.
One man fainted. After being removed from the cross. He had to be carried to a waiting bus. Another was up and smoking a cigarette as soon as his hands were bandaged. These are the crucified people who call them crucify, crucify.
crucify because effected. And what's taking place is crucifixion, si si ti and fiction, not FX is not crucifixion. It is cusi fiction si si transactions taking place. And they're doing the real thing, not like what they do in films, they just try and show you as if the man is getting, you know, like this film. You see Jesus of Nazareth, the day of playing King of kings, they show the man you know, going through the ordeal, this whole acting, play acting, this is no black thing. They will go through the real thing.
But this is crucifixions, there are fiction there are crucifixions.
One of them. Mario Baptists, a 33 year old winder had gone through the ritual for the fifth time. He was crucified five times already for the fifth time. Every year he's going through the process. And like the backlog penitence, he promised to return next year. He said he had vowed to perform the crucifixions for 10 years after his wife recovered from cancer. 10 years, he's going to be 10 times every year he gets crucified. He's getting crucified.
He's getting crucified. And these are crucifixion fictions. You know, fable, fiction. These are fictions taking place. You don't have to go all the way to the Philippines to fine tune
You see on page 36 and 56 of the book I gave you pictures of a man in Italian Newcastle, crucified man hung across and he did do something more than the Filipinos do. He put a spike through his time also to show that the man has his mind over matter is proving that you know the mind where it can be.
And he's a bar man
from the birth funderburk in Africa, he's done it
getting crucified on the cross, and then is brought down.
Do this he was crucified.
What do you call that? The newspaper the crucified man hung on cross? Where's the crucified? crucified means to kill? The man is a lie. One word, I said he was being crucified.
And these are crucifixion. This is what if I exci when you must call them fiction is a crucifixion. They're playing with the game.
And now the Christians they give you a choice. They give you a choice this morning in that spirit is coming into them.
You will find that this man here on the Campus Crusade. he publishes a book
the resurrection factor.
In that book, on page 47, he shows us Jesus Christ on the cross after 1000 hours of actual study on the crucifixion, he comes along with this picture. You get the book if you haven't gone by when you go out, you must get that book is absolutely free.
You owe it to yourself, you must have it his lord and savior. He put him up like a frog. You'll see the page 47 you see, he's like a frog on the cross, actually like a frog. So I'm asking now is this Froggy fiction, as illustrated here?
Elijah frog I didn't do it. This is the Campus Crusade publication page. 47 like a frog you see there on page 47 if you have the book, open it and see
when you mistake it when you go out,
like a frog.
or 87 I'm sorry, this is 47 of his book, his book in his book page 47. I'm sorry, yes. Right for Froggy fiction, as in page 87.
Then we see the Jehovah's Witnesses, they getting the cost back in the throat. The Jehovah's Witnesses. So there's no the Lord was testified he was put on a stake a totem pole. You find that on page 74 he's put on a steak like that. Not like this like that. See that page 74. So now that is taking fiction. Thank you
In your choice, you can take your choice now what?
Froggy fiction or sticky fiction or crucifixion on page 33? It will show you that he was not named page 33. You see, what a choice what a choice the Christians are giving you now, take your choice. Either your Lord was foggy fiction fiction, or whether he was taking affected or whether he was cross effected. What? The choice they're giving you numerous choices. See for yourself, we didn't do it. We are not theorizing we don't say what happened. What not. This is what you were telling us like a frog, like a steak or like a cross? What did you What happened? Now, I will give you a quick summary.
I give you a quick summary. Number one, that this crucifixion is a fiction that it didn't happen.
The way the Christians claim. Those things didn't happen. Number one,
he was reluctant to die. He didn't want to die. He didn't come prepared to come for any type of sacrifice. Luke chapter 22, verse 36, you'll find he's preparing for a fight. He had to come to die, there was no need for him to tell his disciples to go and arm themselves. Number two, he beseech God for help. Matthew chapter 26, verse 39. Number three, God heard his prayers. Hebrews chapter five, verse seven. Number four, an angel of God came to strengthen him. Luke chapter 22, verse 43, Pilate finds Jesus no duty is good reason to keep Jesus alive. john chapter 18, verse 38, number six pilots have shown a dream in which he was told that no harm should come to this just man. In other words,
that you should be saved Li, Matthew chapter 27, verse 19. Number seven,
supposed to be on the cross for only three hours. According to the system invoke no man could die by crucifixion in social time, which means that even if he was fastened to the cross, he was Li
number eight. The other two his classmate on the on the respective process were Li. So Jesus two for the same period of time must be alive. john chapter 19, verse 32.
But when they came to Jesus and saw all
that he was dead already solid, that he was dead already, as you know, on page
pills that the 16 3037 and 38 I give you a list of 11 different persons in the newspapers were certified dead and they were not dead.
by doctors with stethoscopes, they were pronounced dead and they will not dead they came back to life. And there is a society in England I've given you the picture of the Society of people who have come back from the dead, with the old resurrected.
No, but the recertified dead.
This man seeing a person because he thought he was dead, and he saw that his dead already. So what does it mean and so when doctors make mistakes in the fruit skier Hospital, where Chris Barnard operates, a white woman was put certified didn't put him in the mortuary next morning shaken out, Li
when you make mistakes by the day said, if any people did when they're not dead, what this means that he was dead already. So I said, Jesus was john 1933, that there was a mistake in seeing number nine, Encyclopedia biblica. And the article cross column 960 says that when the spear was thrust, Jesus was alive.
We didn't read the Encyclopedia biblica number 10. And when they launched him on the side with a spear, so forth with they came out blood and water, which is a sign of life.
Number 11. His legs not broken is the fulfillment of prophecy, as the legs can be of any use only if Jesus was alive.
And this is the fulfillment of prophecy says the Christian. He keeps all his bones, not one of them is broken. Psalms Chapter 24 verse 20, number 12. There was a thunderstorm earthquake in the sun all within three hours to disperse. to disperse the statistic mob will enable his secret disciples to help keep him alive. Number 13. The Jews doubted his death. They suspected that he had escaped death on the cross that he was alive.
And now the next day, the next day, they go to Pilate, the chief priests and Pharisees come to get into Pilate saying, sir, we remember so and so. And we don't want to make another mistake ledgerwood made in the first that the last error shall be worse than the first error. What was the first error they made? You know what, they allowed the body to come down without breaking his legs. Now they want to make doubly sure but they missed the bus. The Jews Mr. bus, you know, yesterday last night, there was in the address that they didn't miss the bus
in Palestine, you know within 24 seconds
25 seconds they kill three Arabs and you know who are out to do some terrorist business they kill three, they didn't miss the bus there. But here in the Bible, Matthew chapter 27, verses 62 to 64. They missed the bus because the next day they go along to make the Civil Procedure next day. After the horse has bolted, you go and lock the gate. There's something wrong with you. The Bible says next day.
Finally, number 14 pilot ma was to hear that Jesus was dead. The pilot model, if you will already did and calling to him the centurion he asked him whether he had been any wild day Mark chapter 15 was 44 you only Marvel if you know the thing that the attacking didn't happen. If you take him into a firing squad, and you put six bullets through him, and if he dies, there's nothing to marvel but if he didn't die you Marvel NOW pilot Marvel's that look, no man can die within three hours.
In other words, according to the experience, the man is alive.
Number 15 billion roomy chamber big roomy chamber close at hand and be an ad for willing hands to come to the rescue. Providence was out to keep Jesus Li number 16 stone and whitening sheets had to be removed, only necessary if Jesus was alive. john chapter 20 verse one.
report on the waning sheets German scientists who carried on experiments on the Shroud of Turin said that the heart of Jesus had not stopped functioning that he was Li number 18. He was ever in disguise. disguise not necessary if Jesus was resurrected, only necessary if it was alive. john chapter 21 was for number 19 he forbade Mary Magdalene to touch him touch me not for this reason that it would hurt because he was alive. john chapter 20 verse 17.
Number 20. not yet ascended into my father, in the language of the Jew, in the idiom of the Jew, he was saying, I am not dead yet. In other words, I am alive. john chapter 20 verse 17, number 21. Mary Magdalene not afraid on recognizing Jesus because she had seen signs of life before she was looking for a Jesus who was alive. john chapter 20, verse 16, number 22, his disciples petrified on seeing Jesus in the upper room.
All the knowledge about the crucifixion was from hearsay. Therefore, they could not believe that Jesus was a lie.
To his alma mater, and they were not there. Number 23. At food again and again, in his post crucifixion appearances, food only necessary if he was alive. Luke chapter 24, verse 43. Number 24. never showed himself to his enemies, because he had escaped by the skin of his teeth. He was ally, number 25. took only short trips, because he was not resurrected, not spiritualize. But alive. He went to Emmaus, he went to the upper room back again after eight days, he only took short trips, because he was not resurrected, otherwise, he would have gone up to heaven, no sense in going and coming back, up and down, up and down, not from heaven to down and about, he's going around, in and
around Jerusalem all the time. Number 26 testimony of men around the tomb,
they say why siki the living among the dead? Why are you looking for a live person among dead people in the cemetery? Luke chapter 24, verse four and five, that he is not dead, but alive. Why see key the living among the dead. Number 27 testimony of the angels the angels say the angels were said that he was alive, that he lever that he lever that he is alive.
What's wrong with people? What are you reading?
The angels What do they say? That is resurrected? No. He said that he lever he is alive. No, he's not alive is dead.
did not say resurrected. But the actual word uttered by the angels was Li Luke chapter 24 verse 2328, Mary Magdalene testifies. They heard that he was alive and had been seen by her they believe not much 1611 Mary did not watch for a spook or a ghost or Spirit of Jesus. But in light of Jesus. What they could not believe was that the master was Li Mark 1611 number 29. Dr. Primrose is senior anesthetist at the Royal classical infirmary. He says that the water in the blood was an account of scourging by stage and upset of the newest vessels, that which was a sure sign that Jesus was alive.
And now, the last and final one for tonight. Jesus had himself for Poe, that he was going to remain Li ma Matthew chapter 12 verse 3839 40, he himself had told that he was not to die.
The Jews come to him again.
They were coming again and again making a mockery of the master, Rabbi Mr. ensel, to confirm, etc. So Master, we would have a sign of the we want you to show as a miracle to convince us that you are the man we are waiting for you are our Messiah. And he says awkward and safer holla us laughter and worse belly has hustla soup na t again NPM Tikkun salon home hakea would mean
evil and adulterous generation secret after the sign, but they shall no sign the given unto it, except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Suez Yona de de Andrey Naka in the hat from the flute, this was so so the scene from demons brida, and pre NAFTA in the heart from the abyss. For us, Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth? The only sign is that I'm prepared to give you is this the sign of Jonah. And we are asking a Christian Brother, what was that sign?
You know, what was the sign of Jonah, go to the book of Jonah. This is the book of Jonah. This is the book of Jonah one page in the Bible. I enlarge it for you.
It's hard to find. But you find it, you don't have to even go to it. If anybody has been to Sunday school, he knows the whole story. This is the book. This is the book of Jonah.
I'm not exaggerating.
There is only one page in the Bible called the book of Jonah, this one here, front and back for short chapters. It won't take you two minutes to read it. But you don't have to do that you everybody knows the story. The Hindu knows it. The Christian knows it. The Muslim knows it, knows it. Everybody knows about Jonah, Jonah in the way.
So Jesus says the miracle that I'm going to show you is the miracle of Jonah. So we are asking what miracle do not perform.
So you go to the book of Jonah, and you read there that Jonah was sent to the ninevites, the city by Nineveh, of 100,000 people, God Almighty tells in go to Nineveh and warn the people that they must repent in sackcloth and ashes, meaning them as humble themselves before the Lord.
But Jonah, instead of going to Nineveh, he goes to Joppa and he's running away. He's going to Tarshish
because he's despondent that these materialistic people, wicked and adulterous generation of his time, they will not listen to me. So presumptuously. He's running away. And Exede is a swamp. And according to the supership superstitions of these people, anybody who runs away from his masters command Crisostomo, let's see so they began to question who can be responsible? So Juna use
Jonah now realizes that he's the guilty man, because he's running away from his masters command. So he volunteers. He said, Look, I'm the guilty man. God is after my blood, and he's gonna sink the boat to kill me. And in the process, you innocent people will die. You rather take me and you throw me overboard. It'll be alright for you. He makes a manly comeback.
This noon, you might be wanting to commit suicide. You want us to help you know, we have our own system of finding out right from wrong. What is called casting of lots like head or tail. And according to the system, it came to the tune of Jonah. The Jonah was the guilty man. So they took him in they threw him overboard. So we are asking a question that when they threw him overboard was a dead or was he alive? But to make it easy for them? We have to tell them that look, this man volunteered. And when a man volunteers, you don't have to strangle him before throwing when a man volunteers. You don't have to spear him before throwing when a man volunteers. You don't have to
break his arm or limb before
he volunteers. So when they threw him overboard, what he did was he like what do you say? What do you say? Tell me quickly? Li a little more loud. I want to hear it from your mouth. Ally.
A fish comes in Kagoshima. They don't li li
from the fish's belly. He's praying to God for help. Do Do people pray? No. So he was alive.
three days and three nights a fish tasting around the ocean dead or alive? Alive. On the third day vomiting on the seashore. Li
Jesus said for his Juna was socialism of men be the only miracle he didn't say blind party Messiah healed him. You know that woman with issues she was bleeding for ages and she touched me and she got healed. You know this 2000 pigs I destroyed you know the victory I dried up from its very roots. Nothing. You know Lazarus I brought him back from the dead nothing. The only sign I'm giving you is a sign of Jonah. What happened to Jonah is going to happen to me. The miracle of Jonah is my miracle. So we are asking how was Jonah? Dead or Alive and juicy he was alive. And the Christians say he was
alive in the Muslims, he was alive. For three days and three nights, the man was alive through and through. It's a miracle. It's a miracle that you throw a man into a raging sea and he doesn't die. It's a miracle. A fish God is a man who have to die, he didn't die. It's a miracle. three days and three days suffocation and heat in the waves but here to die in is a miracle. It's a miracle of a miracle, a miracle. Can you see even possibility, but that's what makes it a miracle.
Now, ask a Christian president. How was Jesus in the tomb for three days and three nights? 1000 200 million Christian, they say he was dead.
Is that like Jonah in your language or unlike Jonah in your language?
Is the source Yona or nice was Yona.
In your language, the man says once was your source Yona, like Jonah jimbocho.
I said in your language, please tell me. You are telling me Jesus, it will be like Jonah.
You are telling me he was unlike Jonah. So who's speaking the truth? You are Jesus? Who is speaking the truth is Jesus or lying or you are lying? Tell me now, who between the two of you the 1000 million Christians are Jesus Christ, who is not speaking the truth? Will you please tell us? He said he'll be like Jonah, and us and that's the only America
No, no, no, no, no, no, they say, he said no, he was emphasizing the time factor. And you see, he said, for us, Jonah was three days and three nights social doesn't have any three days and three nights. He uses the word three, four times to emphasize the time factor. As a look, there's nothing miraculous about a time factor.
three days and three nights is not a miracle. The miracle is you expect the man to die and he doesn't die. That's a miracle. You know, the first time I came to your country, beautiful mother city you know, it took me three days and three nights in the train that old train or in Xpress three days. So it's a miracle. The miracle of didn't took him three days and three nights.
Is that a miracle?
It took me three days and three Reisman coming from government to Cape Town three days and three nights.
It's a nonsense city. How can you talk like that? Yes. How can I perfect that is about there's nothing miraculous about three days and three nights or three weeks and
But the man drowning man clutching at straws. His whole salvation is depending on this. So this is the day the night and days is no it's time factors. All right time factor. When was he crucified? So it's a Friday afternoon?
How long was he on the cross? Some say three hours, some six hours, whatever you say except, you know, the Jews were in a hurry to put him up. You know why? Because of the general public. He was a hero to the people.
He was a hero to the people. And if your hero's life is in danger, there could be people things that can go out of hand. So before that happens quickly, quickly, hurry, hurry, hurry. They want to hang him up. But when they put him up according to the Scriptures, they are now in a hurry to bring him down. You know why? Because of the Sabbath on Friday at sunset. According to the Jewish calculation. It is Saturday. We are now Saturday. According to Jews, this is Sunday. We are in Sunday night. according to Islamic calculation. We are in Sunday night but for you say you say Saturday night meters Yeah, otherwise you get confused.
So before sunset on Friday, they had to bring the body down and they say they brought it all right. And they give him a burial wash, which takes a couple of hours according to this Campus Crusade author a
couple of hours and they put 100 pound weight of medicals around the man chamfer and frankincense and 100 pounds. He says don't put it like that. 100 pounds. And then they put a wine and cheese around him.
By the time they finish is already evening. So Friday night, in the evening. They supposed to have put him into the soccer. Right.
And the whole question was is right.
So Friday night, he's supposed to be in the grave. So watch my fingers.
It says right is right. Saturday, daytime is divided. Jesus divided the day into day and night part. So we do the same Saturday day. He's still supposed to be in the gray. Right? He said right. Saturday night, he still supposed to be in the grave. Right? This is right. Sunday morning, first of the week, Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb and the tomb is empty. Right? This is right. So how many days and how many nights? Believe me, the learned man the born again? He's looking between my two hands. So what's wrong? Can you see? Look at this man. No, he can't. He's puzzled. You know why was a once was you're not really dying.
For the food resource. So free diet isn't for us. Jonah was three days and three nights socialism of maybe three days and three nights. He's seen that now when he sees this. He's puzzled. something has gone wrong. He's gonna get caught so he can say this is making me
And make up his mind as you look, I will help you okay look, I said suppose suppose suppose you know why? Because you could have come out Friday night around there was this vegetable garden and this secret disciples home mentioned.
But because the Bible doesn't say we won't say so watch again. Friday night, right? Saturday, right? Saturday night, right? Sunday morning. He's not there. Right? This is right. How many days and how many nights is two nights in a day? Look, even an Einstein can help you here.
So he failed again a second time. He said he'd be like Jonah. You say he's not unlike Jonah.
You say the Christians is unlike Jonah. That means one of you is lying either Jesus Christ for you. You must decide between the two of you who is a liar.
Number three, you said he said three and three and you only see two and one. He failed a second time. So now displaying to people in the print Armstrong family Armstrong.
These Armstrong family they say no, there is no such thing as a Good Friday. This is a pagan idea. These are pagans this Easter is pagan. Christmas is pagan. Who says the plane 6 million copies a month they give out free. Beautiful magazine you saw a
beautiful magazine. Look at free, absolutely free.
We say that it was a good Wednesday. When Christ was crucified, not a good Friday.
It was a good Wednesday. See, you must count backwards from Sunday morning count backwards. So when you cut backwards in minus three and three, then you get good Wednesday. So now you start going forward. You'll get Sunday morning three and three, you'll get it fulfilled. So good Wednesday.
My people I'm telling you now you must be on God. Because this magazine is very progressive. Sooner or later all the Christians will opt for this. I'm telling you. And when that happens, our government is going to change Good Friday. Good Wednesday.
And I want to tell you that even that happens if I'm alive. I will come down from Durban and we will march on to Parliament House.
And I want you to follow me
on the Parliament House protesting that we don't want to change Good Friday, you know why? Because on Good Friday, we get the maximum number of people coming to a Masjid
know, you know people far and wide. They're working here and then we can get together on Fridays. A lot of people can even come to Juma on good Fridays you excuse and are among that extra time to lecture to us know.
Then when it's Good Friday, we get four days holiday. It was good Wednesday, you will never get for this holiday.
So why don't you match with me on the Parliament House? Yes.
We must protest.
So I'm asking this head of this movement. He was in Durban and Mr. Fay.
So I said now
with Christian, the lapita when these new things come out, they're lepida. They know, they know they don't ask questions, and they won't answer questions. These Christians they glom on to deliver lectures, but they will not allow themselves to be question is a common question as Go ahead.
So no private you can talk to him. So I'm asking him, I said, Look, man, it sounds very beautiful, this good Wednesday business of yours. But how is it that the Roman Catholics for 2000 years? You know, they say they have an unbroken chain of Pope's How is it that they were deceived? And this 1000 million Christians are all deceived as to who deceived them.
They don't know the difference between a good fight and a good Wednesday who deceive them. So he says the devil.
He said the devil deceived them as if the devil can deceive the Christians in such a simple thing about a good Wednesday or a Good Friday? How much easier for the devil to deceive, you know more important things of the Spirit in the more important things of God. What is the devil worried about Wednesday or Friday?
What does it hurt him? Where does it hurt him? nobody hurt him. Instead of worshipping the one true God, he makes you to worship a created creature, a creative being that would hurt him. So if he's successful in elementary things, how much easier for him to succeed in the serious things of life.
So my dear brothers and sisters, we have given you the literature and we have given you the format how to go about doing the job. You have to memorize some of these verses. He says Kay, Konami, 101 disease Excel, memorize it in Afrikaans and memorize it in English. So your Africans is improving. Your English is improving, and you are doing a double job. Every time you're quoting. You're giving a two hit in Afrikaans, English, Afrikaans and English. You are privileged, Allah has given you the privilege you're bilingual. So do it bilingually learn the verses in Afrikaans learn it in English and the people that you're talking to also their bilingualism to blows
recants English African English Man, I wish you the best. I wish you all the success in this work of Dawa.
Allah. It is possible that in our lifetime we can change this country. It's possible. You just do a little bit of homework a little exertion and Allah will do the rest for you. Because we don't have to apologize for anything.
You know, Allah has put us in such a position. You don't have to apologize for anything at every step. This is the Christian who has to apologize for his religion. He must apologize for his Bible. He apologizes for his Trinity. He apologized for everything he has to apologize you don't have to apologize for anything. So go to town. And this is a privilege Allah has given us luzira hola Gina. Allah says is Tokyo has given you a Deen master overcome and supersede every other way of life was handled in light of anatomy.
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Yeah, we do have a question time.
But I say if this gathering has been organized by us, then I do believe that we reserve the right to state the format.
We will allow questions.
We will allow you to come and make a statement. We will allow you to come and point out a correction.
And yet the statement and the correction. If you know how to phrase it. You can turn it into a question too. But you're free to come and make a statement or a correction and even the question
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We do not see this as mudslinging or an argument.
If you want to debate, please, on any of these subjects, hire a whole
inform us the data inform the 1000s of the public and let them sweat it out with you. But please not a debate here.
If there's any question that you have, please ask it here. I beg of you do not ask the question outside. The man is tired, it is late.
And I also ask our Muslim Brethren, please do not participate in questions outside tonight. 1000 ex fighter dharani I don't believe that we can gain anything from it.
I also ask the audience that if somebody puts a question
And answers given to him. We can't put this question please don't love.
We are tolerant.
On the other hand, people putting up from the microphone, please don't become emotional.
All questions must pertain to the topic that was under discussion tonight. I think that is fine.
If they remind you now of the lectures on Monday night, and on Tuesday night ethylone Civic Center Monday night, and at Kensington civic on Tuesday night. If there is any question, please come to the microphone here. There's more than one question or somebody to point out the correction. You can stand behind I will be as tolerant and as considerate as possible. But I will stop you. And I will ask you please to sit down if you go beyond the limits, instead of wasting time if there's another question question you can queue up
is the emoji that
the word crucifix in with a c? t i o n? Where did you get that word? Cause Why? I went to the library. And I picked take out an
Arabic dictionary with
English. And I was looking in I don't find it in all the other dictionaries. Because your I have in the tool is written to prove it. It is no other word as UFC. Thank you.
You see, I'm solving the problem for the Christians. They do not have a word in their language. The Oxford Dictionary hasn't got it, the Webster dictionary hasn't got it. In the languages of the Christian world, there is no such word that a man goes on the cross. He goes through all the process and he doesn't die. One word. One word for that is non existent in any Western language. So therefore, I am trying to get them out of the misery. They are in a misery. You listening, I want you to listen, because now I'm talking you want to talk, please, have patience. When you spoke, I just sat down, give you full chance now just listen. So I want to get the Christians out of their
misery of not finding a word. They're putting them in inverted commas. That book that is given to you see the six times crucifixions in inverted commas? So what is the inverted coma for that means it is not crucifixion. And what is it? So therefore I say, look, because you don't have a word. I am pointing it for you. And very soon it can happen in the next Oxford Dictionary, you'll find this word coming in, because they didn't think of it. I am thinking let me give you two. I am putting that word in your mouth. Now. Whenever you say about that other fiction. Is it funderburk? What happened to him? Was there was it was he crucified?
says no what happened where he was crucified? So you learn the word from me. If you keep on using that, the Oxford dictionary and the Webster dictionary and all they'll have to start adopting, taking our word and putting it into the dictionary, because they didn't think of it before. That's our new words. I mean, so this is my creation. Thank you. Next question, please.
Could you speak into the microphone?
Just give me a break.
Could you speak into the house? I will do this.
Are you aware that assuming theory assuming theory, a client's wound up on the cross of fainted upon the cross was first put forward by a man named when to Rena, some 200 years ago, it has been
resuscitated in recent times by a Muslim sect called the media.
The next question will be sorry, sorry. I'm sorry. Is that a question? Yeah. So one question at a time, please.
Three, so you can answer three one time in connection with the same thing. Or at the bottom. You know, I'm not giving a pun but I wouldn't like a trinity of questions. One, please.
All right. Yes, for the next question, it will take place at the back here.
If you have heard me correctly tonight, everything that I have been proving to you was from the Christian Bible.
I never used the words
In all my life in all my lectures for lecturing for more than 20 years now, but I never use the word soon at any time. I'm only telling you that Mary Magdalene says that he is alive. The angel said that he is alive. The two men that were around the tomb, they say he is alive. So I'm only using your scripture exactly as it says, I don't go for when Tyrion and I don't go for Musa llama for anybody else, the Bible which you have in your hand, I have used it. And now you tell me now where I have gone wrong in using your Bible to prove my case that Christ was not crucified. Thank you, the lady, please into the microphone. Mr. Dida. Actually, this actually quite a few things that it is
which you have made tonight, in twisting the Word of God, saying things
of the Word of God, you get night out mockery of the Word of God and Christianity, which we as Christians wouldn't do of Islam and the Holy Quran, and that breaks my heart tonight. But what I would like to do is to just read three verses of the Word of God, you've really been studying the Word of God. I'd like to know what we have to say on these just these three pages which are shorter than amongst many others, but the time is not the
Philippians chapter two, verse eight, and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the tip of the cross. And in john chapter 11, verse 20, part reread. Jesus said unto her, this was to Martha, with a raising of Lazarus, Lazarus. I am the resurrection and the life. He didn't believe in me though he waited yet, Challis live, and also in Revelation, the last book in the Bible, chapter, one verse, he read, Jesus said, I am happy that David and was T and B, how alive for evermore. Thank you very much.
The only verse which has any connection with the subject of this evening's discussion, was the last verse, quoted from the book of Revelation, where Jesus is supposed to be telling to john,
in a dream, in a vision, that I was dead, and now I live forevermore. That's the only place in the whole Bible, where Jesus was such a world. During his post crucifixion appearances, as recorded in the gospels, he never use the word that I had died, and have come back from the dead, never.
This is the only place and this is a dream, a vision that john had seen, and in dreams, we dream anything. And most specially in the book of Revelation, you read about the beast, you know, and the beast has eyes, how many eyes are outside, in the eyes inside and eyes outside? Is it seven horns. This is something you know, it is not historical, it is not factual, and imagination of men, and we all it happens to me sometimes when I eat too much, then you have these dreams, this indigestible thing to meet me, and you go to sleep, and then you dream you have
nightmares. So this is like a man was dreaming. But I still claim make bold to say that Jesus Christ while he walked this earth, He never used the word at any time telling anybody anywhere that I was dead. And now I come back from the dead, is proving to the contrary, that I'm alive, I'm alive. I'm the same fellow eating food, have the need of food and shelter and hiding from the Jews afraid of the Jews simply because he didn't die and he didn't conquer death. Because if he had died, and if he had conquered death, they would have been no need for him to be afraid anymore. Because the resurrected bodies can die twice. Who says so? The Bible says it is ordained unto all men wants to
die. And after that the judgment, but because he didn't die, he had every reason to be afraid and terrified every reason for a disguise. That's the only connection that your petition had with the subject of this evening's talk matter. Next question, please. Good evening, ladies, gentlemen. Good evening, Mr. cheetahs. First of all, I would like to get an invitation when you get your doctorate because he invented a few new words. I think it would be quite interesting to get you to the ceremony, when you get to know your doctorate, because he invented a few new words. Thank you. And
you mentioned a few things tonight concerning spirits made some very strong statements here that in a spirit cannot eat cannot be seen, etc. Now, I would like to refer the audience and deserve to suit in 1987
In the suit of Mary, he will see, he will be sent unto her, our spirit, and it is assumed for her the likeness of a prophet of a perfect man. In other words, we read here clearly, that God sent a spirit, and it appeared in the likeness of a man. In other words, this man was seen, this man was hurt, and most probably even could have been touched. We are told about that. But you told us many fairy tales, we can assume this also, I think tonight. And so I think, you know, we must ask the question, do we hear the question, we ask the question, do we believe the Quran? As a Do you believe the Quran as your guidance as revelation, then don't talk in this way about the spirits and about a
resurrected Christ Christ? Then we must also ask the question, whom do we give more authority, a word of a man or a word of zebra or even a word of an angel? It says in the Holy Quran, it says in the Bible. When Jesus was risen, the tomb goes row, the stone was rolled away from the tomb. Mary Magdalene, she saw an angel inside, and the angel said, He is risen. Do you believe more an ancient woman who comes and tells people he is alive? Right, thank you.
Now if you know your Bible, and it seems that you know your Bible true, well.
You read in your Bible,
that the disciples of john
came to Jesus
to ask him
Are you the one that commit or do we seek or wait for another?
That word disciples of john in your original Greek Bible which I think you have it?
You read read there, the Greek word there is a big loss.
And agilus means angels.
This is in the Scofield Bible. If you want to have a look, the word there in Greek is a big loss and edgy loss means angels.
So but you when you're translators, when you're translating for the disciples of john, you don't say the angels of john, what do you say, the disciples of john, when it suits you, that the person is Angel, if you are an angel,
so when it suits you, you translate Angel as an angel, and when it suits you, you translate Angel as disciples.
So who was this inside? This may say that this creature had wings, this angel had wings. When you go to the Quran, you said that the person that came the angel came to her as a perfect man, a man in all respects. In other words, in appearance, it appeared like a man appeared like an electromagnetic wave. Can you imagine what would happen to marry? If he appeared like an elephant, you know, what would have happened to her? So the natural thing God Almighty does is he when he is sending his message to anybody, he makes that person to receive. So he appeared as a man, the angels can appear as man, but Jesus Christ is proving to the contrary, he is telling that I'm not what you are
He says, a spirit has no flesh and bone. You are thinking that I'm a spirit. He said, I am not there. Because if I was, I wouldn't have this
simple logic is proving to the end, he's eating food.
that I'm the same fellow man, what's wrong with you? I'm not that apparition.
You asked me some questions, man. I didn't ask you any question. I'm telling you.
I'm telling you this. This is my statement to you,
buddy. He could eat but he didn't have a brother. I take it you know, the rhetorical question, right?
That was a rhetorical question many things.
Mr. Chairman, and ladies and gentlemen.
I would like to correct three or four statements could be make it three. Right? And then I'd like to ask a question at the end. All right.
Mr. de la.
You offered 20 rain, to ask the people who acquired it and all shortlist, the statement, bring the people here. There are my slides.
And you quoted that Jesus mentioned that in Luke chapter 19.
But if you read that scripture properly, you would have noted that Jesus was was actually telling the people a parable about a monster
asking his servants what they did with it.
Instead, he gave them. And at the end of the parable, the monster said, Bring the people here. There are my slides.
And the second
little comment that I would like to make, that during your address, you quoted Jesus as playing in the garden of Keith
is a Gemini. And you say that the angel came to strengthen him. And then you put in your own words, which the Bible does not have no translation, is it that they came to his rescue?
Now, how can you jump to a conclusion like that, that the angel can just change the name in order to come to your rescue?
It is difficult for me to follow all the questions or give an answer I think it must be pretty difficult. He also
know he's made two corrections which which he reaches go to reply to. So if you're stopped and put your question, then it would be fair. Okay. Now my question is unrelated to that, but very much related to your address.
that Muhammad had the revelation
in the Bible, that Jesus was not crucified and other did he die.
And you said, that Allah
reveal that to him.
no other witnesses you are taking that statement from one man.
And apparently, according to my little knowledge about Islam and the Quran, Muhammad went to his wife and share this news weather.
But in the Bible,
he said, Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, then went to his wife, Khadija, Allah be pleased with her, and said, I have seen this revelation. But in the Bible of the Jesus had risen from the dead, if you look in that same chapter, Luke chapter 24, when he from verse or rather Danya, from this, you know, 45,
and it is in another place other than that revelation scripture, when he expressed that he had to die, he actually mentioned that we're at that stage.
And in Corinthians, the Bible says, that he appeared to the 12 first and then to 500 people they often
Now, let me explain just one thing to you, could we get the question? That is the question because mahkamah had no witnesses. Jesus had 500 witnesses
Now, who is more to believe
the Bible or the Quran? Right? Thank you very much. We do not have to go into the pros and cons of the Bible or the Quran. You see, I have used your scripture, Jesus Himself is proving that I am not what you are thinking.
Again, and again. He's in this guy's
Mary Magdalene can recognize it, his disciples can recognize him. When he returns, the disciples are terrified. Every reason I'm giving you the reason for the fear is because they had no first hand knowledge. All the knowledge is from hearsay.
When you come to talking about parable that Jesus Christ was giving a parable, a parable is a story form of something that is actually is describing. What is the parable about, he had told His disciples that they were going to sit on thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel, not so it was so. So while he is going to Jerusalem, he is giving them the parable that we are given certain talents, each and every one was given certain opportunities. If you do not carry out the opportunity, don't fulfill it. All these things will be taken away from you. You are given so many talents, what did you do with it? You are given so many opportunities, what do you do with it? And now comes the
supreme opportunity of establishing the kingdom of God.
And the Bible said he was immediately appear it was immediately to appear. So in that context, and he's marching to Jerusalem
is marching to Jerusalem. And he's telling for those my enemies who what is the parallel world whose enemies? What is the parable for? He's telling them that look, this is it for my enemies, who would know that I should reign over them? Who's this other person who wants to reign over the people and who's telling them that they should kill the people if they don't allow them to ruin who he is? He's talking about himself. He's talking he's talking about God is coming along to reign over them.
These not the enemies of God
He had to go and bring, he's gonna tell you and me bring my enemies. God is so powerless, that he is depending on you and me that he's gonna bring his enemies before him and slay them before me, he hasn't got people to do the job. However, you see, you have quoted so many things that each and everything calls for a lecture.
When you talk about one witness,
Mohammed is testifying that God Almighty has revealed this to him. Now, when you take anybody's witness, Matthew, Mark, Luke and john,
you find that Matthew, you say he bore witness Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john, and you find that Matthew didn't write Matthew, Matthew, Mark, Luke didn't like Luke and john didn't write john. This is this is in your Bible. It says the Gospel according to St. Matthew, the Gospel according to St. Mark the Gospel according to St. Luke, the Gospel according to St. JOHN, and I have been asking learners of your religion one point, what is this according according according.
In other words, this is what you assume. You see, when you read the internal evidence of the book that you are quoting, take Matthew, Matthew nine, nine,
you find that you didn't write it. He says, while he Jesus was going forth into the way, he saw a tax collector called Matthew.
And he Jesus came up to him telling him, Matthew, follow me, Jesus, and he met you followed him, Jesus
asked any school child who's talking, is Matthew talking this or is Jesus talking to this? whose words are these? So is neither Matthew nor Jesus nor God. This is somebody speaking from hearsay. This is the type of witness that you have got. One man copying the other wholesale. And this is what your JP Phillip says, the tributary of the Chichester Cathedral in England. He says that early tradition ascribed this gospel to the apostle Matthew. But scholars nowadays almost all reject this view. That means Matthew didn't even like Matthew.
So this is the word of the books that you are quoting my friend, this book, The Quran is God's word. And Monday night, I'm proving to you people, anybody, everybody, visually that this is the word of God. And if God says,
Jesus said, the disciple is not greater than the master, God Almighty, when he speaks, His Word is more authoritative. When the billions of mankind, the word of Jesus is more authoritative than the billions of the Christians. Jesus says, You remember that I will be like Jonah. That's what Jesus said. And you are telling me you're not answering any of my questions at all. For one and a half hour I have been proving to you from your book, Jesus said this and I said, Jesus said that Jesus will be like Jonah, and you say, he's not like Jonah. Why don't you prove that Luke? He is like Jonah. I said, Jesus, it will be like Jonah and using his unlike Jonah. Jesus said, it'll be three
days and three nights and you say is two and one. Why don't you settle that problem? There is the problem about the crucifixion. You are getting into sidelines giving prophecies after the event, you know, where the single accidental prophecies after the event the books were written decades after the event, you know that it was not written in the lifetime of Jesus. Not one word was written in his lifetime, nor did he insert anybody to write a word. This is the whole of the whole testimony that you have got. So one point please, excuse me, the fella with a green shirt. I'm a Muslim. But I stand here. I try to be as impartial as possible. Ron?
only person that interjects you is myself. If you perhaps take too long to put your question. I don't think Mr. Dida does. Could you please not interject when he answers? Right? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And you're too short. You're like me, please put the mic down. Please. I would like to ask. When a person becomes a cabinet maker or a carpenter. They are laws to be and principles before you can. You can't just take a piece of wood otherwise you wouldn't know what to do. So the Bible teaches us that to interpret the scriptures, that only by the Holy Spirit that we can interpret the scriptures. And you can only have the Spirit of God when you obey the God when you obey the Lord. In
other words, when obey God's word like for instance, you will know about Muhammad, if you obey the Quran, so you can talk about Muhammad, I want to read to you. You are putting a question on
my point clear in first Second Peter,
chapter one verse 21. For No, no, you must look speak into the microphone. for low prophetic message ever came just from the will of man, but men were under the control of the Holy Spirit as the
spoke the message that came from God. And then in the book of john, Chapter 14
was 15. Brother. What? Yeah, but what are you trying to prove what question you would like to ask, we'll ask you, though, I know that you've got support, you know, the in the text, you know, could we get the question? Right? Okay. The question is, if you becomes a bricklayer or a carpenter, you must do you have to obey the principles and the laws to become that? Or can you just become a bricklayer or a carpenter, thank you very much. Can you answer me? No, likewise, I will just make clear to you, you can't interpret God's word. If you don't obey God's word, then you won't have the spirit. So I would say that any person that is not living according to the Word of God, he's got no right to
interpret the scriptures. Because, yes, God says, it's only the spirit that will enlighten your mind and wisdom out of me right then that if not to get into that part of the argument, taking your word without going the, if I'm a Muslim, and I haven't got the spirit, which you speak of. And the Bible is, as you say, for all mankind, will either not be able to understand or interpret it. Well, you can have the Bible but Christ said, Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and you don't obey me? Because only those who obey God did have the spirit? it further. Thank you, Brother, I think your point and I don't doubt your next text, it will only be supporting the same thing could be what I'm saying.
But I feel one person can interpret the word without the spirit of god See, see the person is not born again. He doesn't have the spirit. So he either the devil will use you know, or he will talk to each other. No, I don't I don't doubt your thoughts on it. I think we have got your the picture, we will answer you. Could we go to the back, please? We'll only have three more questions. After the same please, now must make it for because they are forced antequera excuse you please with a blazer. We'll have formed. Mr. deedat. Did you hear that Ben question. You didn't hear his questions. You don't want me to answer this question.
You do not want me to answer and say, Sorry for that. And say,
this is an amazing situation,
that our Christian brethren say that you must have the spirit before you can understand the Bible.
And everybody claims to have the spirit.
There are in South Africa 1000 different sects and denomination among the whites 1000 different sects and denominations among the whites, and they all claim to have got the spirit.
There are 3016 denomination among the Africans 3000. And they all got the Spirit.
And these 1000, white denominations are all going in different directions. And they all got the spirit, the 3000 African denominations, they all splain the spirit and they also vary in different directions. Now how are we going to arrive at truth?
Unless we use our God given intelligence, because the one man says, Look, there is a trim read in the Bible. There are differences there is no tree in the Bible. One follower says that when you take this piece of bread, it becomes the flesh of Jesus. When you drink the wine, it becomes the blood of Jesus literally, in a mystical way. The other fellow says no, it is metaphorical. Now who has got the spirit? I want to know which guy Are we going to believe? And as soon as you ask the man what church you belong to. He doesn't own up.
He's interdenominational. So you can catch him anyway, as soon as you call him. He said, Well, I don't believe that.
Look, what I have done, I have spoken for an hour and a half, simple, straightforward language, proving to you from the Christian scriptures that the thing that they are alleging didn't happen, didn't happen, didn't happen. class was not crucified. He was not crucified. He was not crucified and amazing thing. nobody's asking a question in me and what I said.
Isn't it amazing? What is the spirit bring to them? What does the spirit do to people that you are not listening? simple, basic English. I'm speaking to you. I'm quoting you verses after verses. This is what Jesus said. And you don't contradict me, you want to say Peter said this, and Corinthians said this, and this guy said this, what is this? What is happening to you? Where is the vital spirit deserting people?
As please ask me direct questions on what I spoke? And I'll give you a direct answer.
Gentlemen, let me be failed.
When I looked at you just now I said, three more questions. Then out of courtesy. I saw there were four of you. Right. So I said, All right, four. But now we have five. I've In fact, while you were thrown Thank you.
Sorry, I want to ask left challenge to forgive me because what I do, it isn't to say that I'm here every night on
the wish list.
Yeah, the question is was Dharma
before Christ was crucified, Romans also crucified the person people. But you know why Christ died? Actually, Christ didn't die of excruciating pain. The thing was does, he died, the scripture says that he died of a broken heart. And now Mr. Ahmed deedat proof to say that he wasn't crucified, it was in the now who has been crucified. And the thing is this, when Mary came to the tomb, it was said that he has risen. Now that same body, it was taken before the separate from the chrono you spoke of the crucifixion. Could you leave it at that? I'm sure it will. The answer will come. Thank you, john. Now I must give my question. Yeah, but
no, yeah, that's it. Thank you. No, was the one that was crucified.
There was no crucifixion. What I saying is, I've been proving to you for an hour and a half, that is fiction, a crucifixion ephi ctio. And fiction had taken place, and no crucifixion, in the sense of a man being killed on the cross. One and a half hour I was proving that to you, like, a man was telling a story about Romeo and Juliet. whole night, Romeo and Juliet. At the end of the morning, early in the morning, the guy wants to know whether Julie was a boy or a girl.
Thank you. Next question, please.
Could you please speak into the microphone? We won't hear you.
The Muslim judges, Mr. de la key word of this, the Muslim digest in August 19 160. PAGE 27. You are being quoted to say the following words. Because right now, you said you never use the word Sunni in all your lectures. But yeah, your code is saying this in August 1960, page 27 in the Muslim digest, I believe that Jesus was not nailed to the cross sells he was not taken up to the cross, the question of swimming does not arise.
Or you just want to point out the hairs use the word swooning. Thank you. It looks like from 1960, the brother is following the Muslim digest wanting to find out what Jesus said and what he didn't do.
Those words, this look is an amazing thing, you come to a lecture, you will listen to the man for one half hour, and you haven't got a single word, which you can contradict. Now, in 19 160, or 69, whatever it was, this is the that said that I didn't believe in the word that was used. In my lectures, I said, I never use the word soon for the thing that has happened. And I still stand by that in my lectures in my lectures.
Next question, please.
Our line like to make a statement and an ask one, please.
Silence. I would like to make a statement and ask one question, if you can just give me a couple of minutes. I've been listening tonight to the spiritual part of men we've been working on in the spirit. And we're about different versions of the Muslim and the Christian. But it's I want to get down to the natural now. We all natural people, different colors. And I want to be in the natural. And I would just like you to give us a couple of minutes to shade in the natural these one certainty in the natural for all color race creed whatsoever. I would like to answer me that certainty in life. You know, I was a big horse racing fan, big camera. And they gave me a horse to to gamble. And
the guy with the certainly skewed results in this. But the horse lost is one set in life, which affects all of us.
Irrespective of the color, creed race.
And the biggest problem is the certainties they can you see, the biggest problem in your life today is sicknesses is death in separation, separated from your loved ones in a spectrum of color, creed. And what we need somebody to take this away, if it is Jesus Christ, if it is Mohammed, whoever it is, we will set that if Mohammed ism is right, I will surely accept it tonight. Because the problem today is that people is dying. We are living in a dying world. Can you see laying down your loved ones? You can laugh but you also we are going one way we're all going to die. Thank you, brother. I think your point is very well made. Could we come to your question? We want to come to the question.
Why did Jesus Why did marry now the question is, Is Jesus was he buried or Wasn't he was crucified or not? Okay, let's say he was he let's say brother Judith is right. That Jesus is a fake. Let's poke along in the natural is a fake. Okay, he's a prophet but he's not the Son of God.
Excuse me, brother, I'm speaking at the moment, please don't intervene. Right, Jesus is dead. Now if we do not believe that Jesus came to give us life, we will also die, we will be dead. But just say that Jesus was crucified, and he is the son, the righteousness of God, and you have to stand between in one day as the mediator between God and sun, then you're going to lose out. Thank you very much. The big question I want to ask abracadabra is this. Why did it take so long? Before she came to anoint? You use the word anointed? You know, we use the word anointed when we all seen the word blessing. You use the word anointed in massaging, why did she wait so long to massage the wounds?
The wounds will already been sifting by the time when she came after three days? Right. So I'll leave this decision to you. Thank you. Okay.
Silence, silence, the happenings,
the alleged happenings about
you know, the at Calvary.
Were on Friday evening, according to the Christian scriptures Friday evening, and Friday evening is the beginning of the Sabbath.
And on the Sabbath day, new Jew was supposed to be out doing any work.
Therefore, she had to go away.
She wasn't living there. She was living in the city.
Not around Calgary. So Sunday morning is the first opportunity she's got before sunrise upcoming.
Therefore, Sunday morning, because she's not living there. This person, the body, Jesus was in the hands of his secret disciples, Joseph, a very mathy. And
they were they all the other 12 according to your scriptures, they all for Superman fled. They were not there.
So now she comes along after three days, because she has seen She must have seen signs of life. Because she was about the only woman. That's what the Bible says that she was sitting across from where these things were taking place. She was the only woman that is being described in Matthew and Mark that she's watching. She's watching what's going on. So if she saw signs of life, she was not gonna shout and tell the people that the guy is alive.
So after three days, she comes around to treatment.
And the word for anoint, as I said, is Masada, which means all these meaning shades of meaning it carries. So what does she want to go and anoint a body is a sense that you are thinking a 100 pound weight of Americans around the men. So what do you want to do with what?
You tell me what she wants to enjoy 100 pounds with Americans and I shall run the man. What do you do with a person like that? What it means now is to go and put him in a hole very. But no, she's not talking about barriers she wants to avoid. So I said the only sensible thing is he wants to treat him.
Next question, the last question for the night. First of all, I would like to apologize.
I don't think it's fair, you know, to interrupt, but I must admit, certain things you know, which will set tonight go really in my heart and move my emotions, so that I can perhaps cry, because I feel very much hurt. Because my word of God and Jesus Christ, his tone, actually into the dirt. And so sorry, when I interrupted, and you mentioned to people during the dresses evening, Joshua McDowell, with whom you had a symposium about three years ago, on the 13th of August, I believe 81 on the same topic, and you advertise quite a few, you advertise this tape. Now, I would like to encourage the audience, to get hold of the state, and to listen to the fool.
Josh McDowell, as you put it, through audience evening, to listen to the side of the food, Joshua McDowell, who clearly explained to the people in Durban, why Jesus Christ was crucified. Then I would like just at the end, quote from you, the verse which is recited to us in Arabic, in English, and there is suta 457 58. And because of their saying, We slew the Messiah, Jesus of Jesus, son of Mary, Alice, messenger, they slew him not know crucified, but it appeared unto so under them, they were crucified is even using the Quran. And lo, those who disagree concerning it, I endow they have, they have no acknowledged no knowledge, they have safe pursuit of conjecture, right? Through him,
not for certain, but Allah took him up to himself. Now, Mr. D, did you make a statement, no one will crucified, someone else was crucified instead of Jesus. That is Islamic teaching. And I think there is my question, why do you actually tell people something about the Christian faith and destroy destroy the Bible, and you don't get back to your Quran, I would assume
I would be a Muslim. I will be utterly disappointed for this evening, because I didn't get anything from this book from this book. From this book, I got something distorted, but nothing from that
I started with the verse which we have just finished off with
calling him in Catalan mercy. And they said in boast that they killed Christ Jesus. He said no Maria Maria Rasulullah Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God, while maka De Luca masala boo and they didn't kill him, and they didn't crucify him.
Brother cannot be alone, but it was made to appear to them. So when did I say somebody was substituted? Did I say anything like that? Did I say somebody else was put in his place? I said, whatever you are thinking, since you say you have your authorities, witnesses, eyewitnesses and your witnesses with the happenings. I said, Let us examine your witnesses. This is his most sensible, legal thing that people do in any civilized country. When you make a claim, anybody makes a claim. And if there is a counterclaim, you go to court and you present your case, and your witness is being cross examine to prove whether he's speaking the truth or false. And that is actually what I did. I
use your witnesses, your witnesses from your book, and showed you that whatever you're imagining didn't happen.
And that's my case. I close my case. Now, either you have to refute me by telling me that a spirit has flesh and bones. Jesus said the spirit has no fish in bones. And these resurrected bodies eat boy fish and honeycomb. Tell me I am prepared to listen to you. But nobody has come forward with keep on talking about Josh McDowell. Now. You're talking about some. What has that got to do with this meeting tonight? You know, he's an amazing situation. You are personally president. Yeah. What do you want to know about Josh McDowell his lecture what he said and what he did? What has that got to do with this meeting?
You talking about the tape you confusing the people they don't know what you're talking about. You put forth your claim what is it what do you want? Do you want judgment now the state has a look we don't stop them. You go and write to john Gilchrist your partner in veteran he will give it to you. Why do you want it from me? What is this Josh McDowell has to got to do with your question time now. Nothing is an amazing thing you know that you're listening for one and a half hour and there is not a thing that you can challenge me on to say that I have made a misstatement and this is wrong and prove your point. We thank everybody for my dear brothers and sisters, look, here is a proof.
Here is a proof what you have to do you master that little booklet. And I tell you there isn't a Christian born who can stand before you you'll find sick people. You know, they said they're born again and they'll keep on talking to the wall. Don't talk to the wall. The ordinary people Allah says men who Muna there are good people among them, talk to them, invite them for tea, talk to them, show them the Quran reason with them and inshallah we'll be able to do the job. The professionals, you leave them to me at meetings like this
are Somali goon warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Good night, ladies and gentlemen.
The Quran the translations of the Quran, are still available outside in the foyer,
oops of the UDF ANC, do any of them have any particular
attitude toward Islam that would compare for instance, I bought one of your folders here, there are some things that that you say about the the Zionists or the Jews, which are very, very, very strong. And before we speak about that, I would like to ask if there are any of these other groups or the Christian groups who say anything that strong against Islam in this country.
You see, there is like an unwritten policy of the of this Christian country, to see that you know, everything, as difficult as it is possible for them to make for us.
But there is a freedom of religion in this country, which I have to take off my head, which is second to none in the world, freedom of religion.
Freedom of speech is a freedom of religion. As a young man, I was reading the communist constitution. And the articles also tells us and I read it, and
that there is freedom of religious practices and anti religious propaganda and quoting, freedom of religious practices and anti religious propaganda. So I thought
we both have a fair chance. But I didn't understand that. He says freedom of religious practices.
That freedom is given to, but not to preach.
And, and anti religious propaganda. When the 4000 Muslims are one to the mosque for prayer, the guy outside can make a noise and say this fools and
they can make a mockery of it. But I can't come out and say, Look, man, come inside. And I will tell you, you know how to get this, or the system that you're one sided, it's one sided. But in South Africa, when they say this freedom of religion, they do really give it to us. In other words, I go to the city hall of Cape Town, which I did go to, and I organized a lecture there, Christianity, communism, or Islam, which has the answers to the problems of South Africa. And this city of Cape Town is a stone's throw from Parliament House, in Cape Town, and I delivered a lecture to a packed audience, their Christianity, communism, or Islam. And since the speaker is a Muslim, it's
understood automatically, that it is not Christianity, it is not communism,
and no interference from the government, on any level, no interference, then we had a conflict with the government twice. Twice, we had a conflict with the government on our publications. One was in 1982, I published a pamphlet, the claims of begging
write medicine begins is claims, claims have begun. And that pamphlet, the Jews had it brought up before the publication board, and they had it back.
We need representation, but our representation, I mean, I blame my soldier, you know, my lawyer, I lost the case. Then the government that the Christians now this time, they took up another of my publication called crucifixion of crucifixion sounds the same? Like it's not crucifixion, the first efax item fiction to fix a man on the cross and killed and the other fiction is fit to fiction is a fairy tale.
Is it a fiction to fix and kill? Or is it a fiction, a fairy tale? That's a title of my book.
And some missionaries, they brought it to the attention of the public, a director of publication, the talent of publication, read it, and he directed his board in Pretoria. He is in Cape Town, he that is his board in Pretoria, sebamed, the book,
the board goes through the book. And they say, look, this is not very pleasant. We don't like this book. It's a very important book undermining our foundation of our faith, which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Christ is the foundation. And this book undermines that is a very dangerous book. But it does not infringe any law.
So we can then it. So the director of publication went on appeal against his own board.
You know, this is something unique to me, it's a unique thing, in any country in the world, that that is right, bam, that thing is bad. You can go and find it out afterwards. But this is the director goes on appeal against his own bone.
In that case, he's going to hire an advocate, to represent him against the board, to convince them that the book should be banned. So for the first time, the board informs us that look, this is what has transpired so far. If you want to defend your book, you come along and defend yourself, we will not play the devil's advocate on your behalf. So we went and defended our book, and we won the case against the government.
So to me, there is the freedom. If you can play the game, according to the rules
of the game, the game, there is nothing for you to worry about. Now, this is a very good entrance of what you've just described, that you held the crusade fiction Yes, up and you made your case, which I believe when I read something about that, that Jesus appeared you believe as dressed as the gardener when it said that the ladies thought he was.
Yes. And it goes on like that.
You have said that in the name of freedom of speech, even though that was an abomination to Christians, right. They allowed you and you won your case. May I move now to Rushdie. Right. And the fact that he has printed something which I assume I've never read it and I don't attend to it is equally as quotes insulting to the Islamic religion as that would be to the christian right. And yet he is under penalty of death.
And you are not under penalty of death. Now for having said this, but could you lead us into this discussion using those two cases? Because you see now in the case of the government's is in my case about my book, that this is a bonafide a belief. I'm not trying to make a mockery of the Christian suggests I want to be funny. I want to be clever to say look, this is nonsense, man. How can one man you know take this
sense of the world, you know, is taking you the Christianity is taking 1000 million people for a ride on the cross. Yeah, I believe it right. But not that I'm making a mockery in this law in the country. You are not to sneer at somebody else's religion. What I was telling was a Boehner feeder believe because my book says, Mama Cthulhu masala boo, which means they didn't kill him and they do crucify. My book says that this is my belief, a, bonafide a belief. So as such, now I'm expanding it. If it goes against you, in that case, I just can't help it. This is the belief that's given to me by my favorite and 1000 million people. But
in the case of rusty, it is not that
he has gone out of his way
to abuse everybody. Like for example, in South Africa, we had the ban just like that. say there's a law the law is there. And according to that law, we succeeded. You are not to sneer at somebody else's believe this guy here
the races you know, our biggest problem is race. As I said in my previous interview, everywhere is a race. This man is the greatest racist. You know, he beats his makeup
we shoot to the director Look what this guy says. He says nega eat white men [???] is a writer.
This is not this is the rancor racism. He's a racist himself. But
then he says black sheet is bad.
Equals amigas equals equals what and what not.
So this is not bendable. This is not right.
Then he's used certain type of language. One word, which we use. For one word, Lady Chatterley's lover was banned in this country for 20 years. That word he uses 55 to 57 times in his book,
forgetting that his besmirching the characters of Islamic faith in
our spiritual mothers, the wives of the Prophet, the prophet himself, then the Prophet Abraham, and the companions of the Prophet, the thing that he calls them this week makes anybody's blood boil, especially the monster. But besides that, what he has done to everybody, the white man, the white woman, the Jews, he has not spayed anybody. But the problem with the people outside them. In the Western countries. Nobody brought this to the attention of the people they were only cried about ourselves. is Luke, his former mother, who is Ayesha Siddiqa. Prophet. We wish she
knew she can swim.
She's dead. So how long? 1400 years since a visitor the guy's making a mockery of it
sees a mockery now. This does it hurt her.
Now you're making a mockery of it. But now if I turn the tables,
it would be different as a university.
I told the people in Britain I went around lecture tours. I'm telling them as you know what he says about Mrs. Margaret Thatcher?
What does he say?
So as a duty porcia full stop. One word sentence torture. Then it says Maggie the Mitch Maggie Burbidge three word sentence, Maggie the ditch, as Is it right? You people should have gone to Mrs. Thatcher and says ma with a coupon book, The Satanic Verses says Ma, look, this photo is calling a pitch. Is it right?
Then maybe you can take it? You know you are great. You are the Iron Lady is nothing but whatever the feeling, the feelings of your DSM mark. somebody's calling him son of a bitch. What about his feelings? What about your daughter Carol?
What about her feelings? The book would have been bad. You know where it is with the queen. He contributes to that. In the book.
He makes tender love to her. Me joins me there. But Mr. Leader, if I may say so you see as a Christian, professing and believing Christianity and everyone connected with it have been reviled by so many people, so much literature and so many people in the world that not only do we have mud of every kind of description in the world, thrown on Jesus Christ thrown on the church, thrown on individual Christians, martyrs, anybody else
that it doesn't immediate, it's sheds off your back like water because you expect it of anyone for any reason that they choose. And the second thing is as Christians we are then called upon, no matter how vile the treatment to the Christian religion or to the Christian himself, to arrive at the point where we can express total
forgiveness for that person. Because if there is a God who says,
Judge not lest ye be judged, even though we all do it every day, 25 times, we are called upon to rise above this, and even to pray for that man, that God in his own wisdom and infinite way through the grace of the Holy Spirit will touch that man, whether he's Islam or whether he's, whether it's Judaism, or quad, that that person who is reviling, first of all, his reviling against us isn't going to hurt him. But when that guy gets in front of God Almighty, at least in the Christian religion, he is in far bigger trouble than anything we can do on earth. And even if we killed this man, and now I'm coming to us to the sentence of death, yes. Even if we killed this man.
In a sense, in a pure Christian sense, we are interfering with the law of God, because God Himself, in his infinite wisdom will judge you, even if rushed he had done that. And if the book never got published, if he had written it in a closed room, and no one had ever read it, God himself would still be the judge of Mr. Rushdie. So having said that,
you appreciate what I mean, when I say as a Christian, it's very hard to get so worked up about it, it no matter how awful it is, when we've been experiencing that for 2000 years, or so the Jews, Islam has said terrible things about the Jews that they've said it in your literature, that they are absolutely some of the things are agreeing now at the moment, the way they're behaving? So what's the Nazis? Some of the things you say about them are things that Nazi said about the Jews, if it is true, to see if it is true that they are doing the things worse than what the Nazis did. Then, if it's hurting the guy, be speaking the truth. Is it true that is the guy who doesn't pay taxes in in
Palestine, in in Gaza and the West Bank? That person is thrown out of the house? They confiscate his property and the Buddha's house? Is there any country in the world that does that? If you don't pay the tax, they kept you into jail? Yes.
They bulldoze shacks, in in townships. And people have had
their this you can you can pass their laws, the United States, if you want to grow your business, no condemnation, or they, they condemned property, and
that is a different thing, then you compensate them. So this, this, this building, we need to demolish this. So you have to make a highway not to enter for public these things. Here is a compensation for that. But this is the person who doesn't pay the tax, you kick his wife and children out, you take his fridges away. You just can't imagine. You break people's bones. I got films. I agree with that, oh, that is terrible. When I tell you I said you are doing something worse than what the taxes did to you. You should be the last people to behave like that. Because you went through hell. I sympathize with you. And now you are doing the same thing and worse than the Nazis.
So if it hurts you, as it's just today, but am I speaking the facts, or lies? I'll give you a proof from your own writers. Okay, but what about Islamic people? And I would bring in Christians, you know, who who have done terrorist acts and innocent.
If you catch the terrorist, according to the rules of your country, you have every right to do what you like, if you say, look, there's no death penalty in Israel. There's no death penalty, death penalty, like, it's not my fault, that's your law. But to Lina is that guy killed innocent children. If I catch him, I'll hang it.
If I know there's no penalty, so they will put him in prison. So that's your business. That is your law. But that is not the law is given by God. The Law of God says life for life. But now we're coming back to look at Jewish law to
back then. So now, if you don't want to follow your law, that's your business. I can't force you to follow your law. But now we also have a law that for certain blasphemies against God and His messengers, the punishment is death, by crucifixion, or by hanging, or by chopping off the hands and trail from opposite ends, very cool. But now,
too, as this is treason against the human means the community, the religious community, you have a law, treason against the state, for which, you know, you had the Nuremberg Trial, you have Lord Hawk, you know that britisher was broadcasting from Berlin, you had include that that Irishmen you know who tried to you know, create, bring in some freedom for the that you had him hang or shot. So in other words, not every country in the world you have a law and you behave according to your law.
Now, in the case of this devil here,
he's broken all the laws, but I'm not crying about that. what I'm telling you is that the way to uproot the white man, the Westerner is to show him where it hurts him. Because I'm told, like you said, it's not that the people are insensitive. Look, you can sway Christ. And you can do this and do that and get away with it. No way with him. But no, but, but, but there is a law of blasphemy in in England, Mary, Mrs. Mary Whitehouse, you know, she took the gay magazine to court for using certain blasphemies against Jesus, and she won the case. But now there's nothing to protect the Muslim feelings is only Anglican England has got only something to protect the Anglican Christian.
Not as we all know, there are Muslims in Britain, then Methodist, but our feelings are not considered at all, as if we are human beings. So now I said that there's no sense in me crying about that. But you people, the Westerner is also sensitive, when it hurts him. So I show you as a look, he's not altogether insensitive about religious matters, the bulk of the people are religious. So it's only me, you're Christian, you only refer to census forms. Mostly you say you're a Christian, but in the hearts of heart, you are not a Christian, you are a Christian in the sense that you are not a Muslim, you're not a Jew. In that sense. You are a Christian, but in your hearts and minds. It
has nothing to do with your practical life. Generally, this is what I see. So now I'm gonna show you where it hurts you. So I'm showing you up but highly sensitive people.
Because they also say these British are insensitive as they are not insensitive. You try and say certain things about them, and they'll pick your jaw for you. Don't try. But you have to tell him what you said.
In the book, the very first page, the very first page of Satanic Verses, equals Linden is I was in the City of London in the Royal Albert Hall. So I think that most of you are Londoners. Whether you're a Pakistani Londoner, or a Sikh Londoner or an English London, you are all learners. This Yes, we have London as inequality. London is Boston's first page.
If anything, of course, we feel this if
you are talking from a different you are personally involved. And now he's tells you, you bastard, you feel something that people say they feel it in America and I'm telling the afro American, it says nigga eat white man [???].
As you feel everything does, yes. He calls you calls, he will call you
While I landed there in America, the same day. I by the USA Today. And what I find that in Houston,
Mr. Westmoreland is is somebody like a gentleman, General Westmoreland and like this man is like a mayor.
So there was a discussion about this fellow
that every American who went to Ethiopia and the plane fell for the United Nations. And he died. Yes, yes, I remember you remember him. So now they want to rename the Houston airport after his name, Leland Leland, he left the city. So they will make it Leland international Israel Houston International. So this man was more land said Why not call it nigger international and the old Afro Americans? Well, they should have exquisite bad manners. It's often do what is the colloquy here, and I laugh it off.
So the unica This is
something serious. Call you Uncle Tom says no something serious. I didn't call you uncle comes over. You become Uncle Tom. It depends on the person, the one at the receiving end How does he feel? So when I'm presenting to this guy calls you such and such, how do you feel? Because we Americans, I did not say what equals Americans
equals the British but everybody hates the Americans even listen to you know that the old age but if I use that word, you see if it was your son is being religion, he might punch me in the jaw. Do you know what they say about this program? The people that don't like a call.
But not personally see is not personal. This is impersonal thing. The program is rubbish and like this and like that, people can say anything about me that you but when it comes to something personal, talking about your mother, talking about your wife, your sister, your daughter, then the man reacts. And if he punches you in the jaw is justified. You see, so now I only have to remind the British. This is what this guy says about you, sir.
This is what he says you Americans is what he says about user and everywhere I went around there 100% behind me says no, this is not done. This is not done. I agree it's not done.
That guy must pay the price. So I said look, maybe maybe you see now you are you have cultivated yourself in that type of mentality. You have so much things thrown at you. So like here now, call me a coolie is an insert Are you saying Cooley Cooley is cooling is a laborer? Yeah, I like it. Like the Chinese.
The Indians were brought here to for indentured laborers cutting sugar again. So they call them we call them cooling that I saw. I didn't know how to have that the
size of the white man.
So there was a time when I should react. But now I reached a stage now. I said you have also seen a bit Devon as you're also coolie is going to labor. See as well. That's what it means. You have a laborer. But I am aware he says Cooley is trying to hurt me. And then it hurts. You see, the word itself is nothing like the English man, cause the African in South Africa, Buddha. Buddha means a farm. They are family people as a whole. There's nothing wrong with that. But when the Englishman says the back of his mind is backward, rustic. That's what he's saying.
That's what he's saying. This is Buddha.
Meaning the meaning of the word there's nothing wrong with the word but when you are battling it gets convinced certain meanings. Same thing to the African he calls the English people ruin it. ruin it. rednecks are very inaccurate. Okay, read in Africans, it means rednecks, meaning your softies. You go in the sand a little and you get red in the red, like the red Indians called you pale face, and you call them red Indians. Right? I don't know whether there's any sting in the in the word paid face, but not in this word. But in the word remake, there is a stain. In the word Buddha there is a steam in the word Cooley there is a steam. Now because there is a sting in it, it stings, it hurts
that because there is a steam when you either it, you want to hurt me, so it hurts me. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt. That's a philosophy. Look, it's true. It's a philosophy. But even so, you know, I'm the people call wasps you know, white, Anglo Saxon Protestant. I'm a wasp. And everything about the wasps is that they staying they do all this business, everything is bad. Now, if I spent the rest of my life huddled in a corner, crying or afraid to walk out, because God warned me, right, a white Anglo Saxon Protestant, right, I wouldn't ever go out, I wouldn't do anything. I can still love the people who don't like the program, and who
call me a loss. I don't like older white ladies, or whatever you call, or call me a prude, or call me. There are 1000 bad words you could apply to me, I'm quite sure. But I simply must
feel and think of myself as much as I can live it as a child of God, who is trying the best I can with all of my faults to live as I believe that God made me to live and love my fellow man, and if they sling filth and burden, and I've had in justices inside my family, outside my family, in my work in my business, but I must forget and forgive as fast as possible. Do you not feel that? That? That the Mohammed, God as the Mohammed ins, Muslim Muslims see him? Yes. And experience Him? Would he not have forgiveness in his heart and so I'm not calling it forgiveness for God. He can forgive him the likes.
But now without the law. You see, we say we have no right to forgive. For example, a man commits murder.
I like that follow. I'm a judge. I like that murder, for some reason, previous reason, my contact with a man. But now the evidence that is brought before me is that cold blooded murder, the man committed
must have passed judgment on him or not. You see, I am a servant of the law. The law, the law, I must carry out the law. I love the man, but I can't help it. He can be my son. I can't help it. You have to apply the how to apply the law. Now God Almighty in his wisdom, he can forgive. That's his business. He can reward him a million fold on the other side. So look, I think you were a bit harshly treated my son. You know, you deserve heavens and holies and gardens flowing with milk and honey. That's his business.
Man construction is the law of the land says should be sharp.
is not for me to say this guy. do so many hospitals.
orphanages, levy committed acts of treason, not
the law, the law says.
So now I carry on