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Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to welcome you all to an Intel computer College's second cultural day.
Thank you all for attending. And without much further ado, we'll commence to the first item which is by the Muslim Students Association.
Thank you, Madam MC. Assalamu aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. Peace and greetings to all of you name of Allah. The Muslim Student Association extends a warm and cordial Welcome to our guest speaker, Mr. Ahmed deedat. The staff and students on the computer college, Mrs. Act to discussing the topic, the grant and the computer. After his talk questions will be given the opportunity. Students will be given the opportunity to ask Mr. JACK any questions, please feel free to ask him any questions whatsoever.
Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. It means peace and blessings of God to each and every one of you.
I feel privileged to come to speak to your computer college.
And the subject that I have chosen is the good on and the computer.
Naturally, you are inquisitive, wanting to know
that this book of Islam the Holy Quran,
which was revealed 1400 years ago.
Did it have anything to say about the computer?
Mr. D that you ask?
How do you fit in the Quran with the computer?
As you see, for a long time, I myself didn't see it. I have been reading the Quran in a translation form like this one. They are big text with the translation.
And I have been reading
And they gave me some faint idea.
But I didn't have a very clear picture.
Until about 1975.
How did it come about? That I can see this relationship between the Quran the computer in 1975
I get a phone call from Zambia,
telling me that a tickets are waiting for me at the South African Airways, I must go and pick them up
to visit Zambia on a lecture tour.
So I rushed down to the center in LA Wall Street in Smith street corner, South African Airways.
And I go to the men of the reception.
And I tell him that I have had a phone call from Lusaka, Zambia, telling me that an air ticket is waiting for me. I have come to pick it up.
And I'm not what I was expecting. I was expecting a booklet coupons, you know what it looked like? Those coupons. So I was expecting such a thing like that. So I asked him that look, I have come for it. So he tells me see one of these ladies, about a dozen of them were seated in a semi circular form.
With those terminals, visual terminals. see one of these ladies there?
How can you see one of those ladies? To me?
Only one person out of the lot might have have my tickets. I know what tickets look like.
So I'm asking him Which one?
So the way the guy flees his hands? You know, and he tells me like any one of them.
Silicon speaking so nicely to the man. Why should he be so impolite? Is it because he's a white man, and I'm an Indian.
But I had no alternative the way he
I had to go. The first lady I saw was doing nothing. She was sitting at the terminal. I go up to her. Excuse me by then. I have had a phone call from Lusaka and they tell me that that is a ticket waiting for me. I have come to pick it up.
She asked me What's your name? So I tell her my name is Ahmed deedat. She says spell it. So I started spelling it a sh m Ed of mud dee dee dee dee that while I am spelling she is typing on the keyboard before her.
She said yes.
That means she's got
Yes, so what now?
So I said, you see, I want to go from Durban to Johannesburg in the evening. on a Tuesday evening. What have you got for me?
But can I bother him? She said, Well, there is one at 6pm as right, that suits me fine. Can you book me on this? Yes, yes.
So I tell you see on Wednesday Now, the next day, I want to reach Lusaka, at three o'clock in the afternoon. That's what my hosts in Zambia told me, I'm arrived at three o'clock in the afternoon.
I want to be there three o'clock. Now, what arrangements Can you make for that? So she typed again, on the keyboard?
And she's asking me, do you want to go through Maputo or through gorons? As a look, it doesn't matter. As long as I'm in Lusaka at 3pm.
So she types again.
And she said, You see you are booked on Zambian airlines. And
the other plane she was transferred this ticket to another this thing, we have to contact Indian Airlines. And there's a national holiday in Zambia today. So we can contact Zambian airlines. So please, come tomorrow.
And you can imagine my disappointment walking from near the Moscow Madras arcade to Smith Street and expecting the ticket in my hands that is almost within my reach, but not within my grasp. disappointed.
So I'm asking the lady says, Madam, to get all this information for them.
So she tells me this is from the head computer in Johannesburg.
I said, you know, when you were trying to book me in at the six o'clock flight, suppose there was only one seat left.
And there were more than one of these terminals
might have been trying to get the ticket. What happens then? is a no the first one within the second. He gets ahead if he gets a ticket and the rest is blank.
How does this happen is that you see every computer in the country which is connected to the computer has access to that knowledge.
The computer in Johannesburg,
everyone with this terminal can have access to that. I said I see. And I came out walking back to my offices in Madras arcade.
While I'm walking back
the thought occurs to me that this is how this was revealed.
This Quran and verse from the Quran from the 85th chapter. The last verses 21 and 23. The last verses tells me somebody who didn't feel Mahfouz that may This is inscribed in the glorious Koran from a tablet preserved from a preserved tablet. Now if you have a volume like this, and if you want to know what the Quran says about the Quran, you open just like in a dictionary, in queue queue and just like an index queue, it will tell you everything the Quran says about the Quran.
Are you examples
the divisions of the Quran how it's divided into chapters and verses inspired message cannot be produced by other than divine agency versus fundamental and eloquent these are different topics. God is witness to the Quran, God's revelation, the Quran, follow it and do right the Quran, the respect and attention due to a Book of Wisdom, the Quran in Arabic the Quran described and on and on and on. What does the Quran say about the Quran? The last subject in this index on the
on the Quran, it says the tablet preserved the tablet, this when you have it, you'll be able to see it with your own eyes.
This is tablet preserved. Chapter 85 verses 2122. I read it too.
So the picture comes to me this is how it happened.
See the whole picture comes along the history of Mohamed that he was in Medina I've been reading and a Christian deputation had come from Iran and outskirt of Yemen. We had heard that another Arab now he's claiming to be in communion with God. He's claiming to be a prophet. So these Christians, they said let's go and see this at another Arab and we will question him cross
him and him want to know, what does he know about religion? So they come to Medina.
And they are housed in the mosque of the Prophet. They sleep in the mosque, they eat in the mosque. And they have a dialogue in the mosque for three days and three nights it's going on. During the course of the discussion, the spokesman for the Christian is posing the question among so many other things, said, All right, all right. Now tell us Mohamed, what is your concept of God?
and Muhammad, according to tradition, he doesn't just start answering.
He, so to say, presses his spiritual buttons, they will no buttons to press. But I said, so to say he presses his spiritual buttons.
Trying to commune with God, it's Oh my Lord, what shall I say?
What shall I say? He could have made a case, like we do. At times when when we are asked questions, we have no ready answers. So what do we do? We beat around the bush, we fumble together with thoughts. You see, it's like this. And it's like that, and so on. While we are talking, while we are trying to share, you know, our thoughts are coming into focus. That's what we do. If I were to ask you, My children,
what is six times six? immediate answer, I take it 3636. What is 12 times 12 744? Because we have already answered. But if you didn't have a ready answer, what we do is, well, you see in our six times six, you take six, and you put six times 666. And then we add and six and 66. At that
you are fumbling for the answer, but you will get it but you fumble for it. That's how what we what we normally do. Mama doesn't do that he could have said, you see, our concept of God is almost identical to yours. You see, you believe in the God of Abraham and the God of Moses. And the God says, Well, we also believe this is how we all talk. That's how we talk. Not so Mohamed, he's asked a question, and he must get it from the highest authority from the head computer. So what he does, he presses little buttons, and comes the answer to his mouth. He's in the terminal. every prophet of God is an end terminal of that hit computer, the knowledge of God.
If you are that you have access to that computer, the computer and you have a problem. And you can use Oh my Lord, what shall I say is to tell them, Moses was told tell them, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not kill. So he's stealing them from the hip computer, whatever knowledge is given the prophet of God, the men of God, he articulates them. So he wants to know
what shall I say? From the answer? You see it in the first chapter of the Quran, amazing.
You open the chapter, it begins.
Who Allah had say he's got the one and only allow summit God eternal absolute lemonade, welcome EULA. He does not begin and is not forgotten, while I'm yaku and Ahad and there's nothing like unto him finish whole chapter is finished four verses.
And back to normal, said, you see, this is our concept of God. When he spoke while he was speaking, the normal discussion was in a different level of speech.
Now, when he's uttering those words, he's on a different level.
I had a lot of summit. Let me let me let me move on. And that alone said You see, this is where did he get it from? He's asking,
oh, my lord. Nobody heard him. Nobody heard him say that. But he's asking, What shall I say? Comes the answer. I want you to see, this book. did start say he's got the one and only so why say chapter B say he's got one. Why say because asked, What shall I say from the answer? say he's got the one and only.
Now, this is how every verse of the Quran was revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad, according to his needs from the hip computer. He is interminable, as I said, and I repeat every prophet of God, every true messenger of God is that in the terminal, we are not. We haven't got that facility to make a direct contact with the hit computer. Now this preserved tablet, what is a tablet to me
That screen is a tablet, a visual screen. Your Blackboard is a tablet, your whiteboard or your green board you know in which you write is a tablet. Your computer chip is a tablet.
The tablet of stone on which Moses wrote the 10 commandments is a tablet. Now this tablet that God is talking about is not made of metal, or, or stone or the silicone chip, it is a spiritual tap his spiritual knowledge. It is not material.
Now, what do you want to know? What else do you want to know? This is some aspect of what the Quran says about the Quran. What do you want to know about the Muslims and about Islam? Everything is in this book.
The easiest way to have access to this knowledge about the Muslim is the book.
We ourselves might be confused, the Muslim can be confused on so many things.
But if you want to know authoritatively, what does your book of authority the Quran say? So you go to the Quran.
So if you open the index,
some of the subjects I just give you
a quick glance at some of the subjects
this book claiming to be from God, naturally, it must tell us everything about God that we can know. So I'm the G, look for God.
There are more than 140 different references that you have access to from here from this book from this index.
He is your protector. Chapter Two was 257 and onwards. He is the Creator of all
things is most bountiful, He is merciful. He is most kind. He is beneficent. He is the orphans shelter. He is the one that has guide the guys wandering around. He is a guide to him. He satisfies your needs. God present everywhere.
He is unity. He is one not one in a trinity. He is not one of two, he's got no begotten sons. He's wise, his best disposal of affairs. His most high grade he's resistible is never unjust, is Exalted in Power, he is free of all, once he is Worthy of all praise, and on and on and on. You want to know what does it say about men? And the M? Look for men. Men means mankind men and women men.
Let's see what it says about man.
He is tested by God. He is being tested by God in your behavior. What are you doing? How your mind is working? What do you do? Things men COVID
things that men love most?
I might ask you
here man as a male.
I want you to tell me if you can. What does he COVID most What does he love most? What does he want most?
won't disqualify you in your exams?
Yes, my shy.
Who said that?
Who said that? What did she say? woman? Yes, woman.
This is this is 1400 years ago. This man Muhammad is made to say things men COVID. I want you to look it up. When you have this book. You will have this book. Each and every one of you will be entitled to this book free I'll be giving to all free this encyclopedia
so tantalizing before you? You know that golden carrot, as you see is there is there is there. And this is where do you get it? As you see you go to the Islamic Propagation center and you buy one. Now to do business with you, man, I'm not here to do business.
So the Quran says vnla naseeha chahatein an ISA CFA in the sight of men is the level of things they covered. Number one
while bonnin then your offspring your children
And hoarded heaps of gold and silver and wealthy land and horses branded for the good things of this world life says the Quran, but the nice to God is the list of goals to strive for number one, the greatest distraction for men is woman.
I'm telling the Westerner is the Westerner. He knows this better than us.
The Western he knows this. He exploits this weakness of men to the limit. Lucien motors in Smithfield, Durban
they advertise secondhand packs, but on the trucks that they advertise, there's a woman in the bikini on top of the truck.
jeannot they were infused before they've gone to Edina jeannot they sell farm implements, but on the practice that they advertise, there's a woman in the bikini on top of the tractor.
I'm asking what has a woman in the beginning got to do with a second hand truck with that factor.
Now you tell me
except the man
you know, he'll be he'll be enticed to read he'll be enticed to read. Because of the woman in the bikini he was to me now what what about What about her? So he reads about the tractor. He reads about secondary tracks because of the woman in the bikini. Then BMW
has begun the lot
is a motor car. From my understanding a little better than the Mercedes Benz. I have had my four swap and Beatle four times over, you know, I had the first 120,000 miles I did and then next one and next one. Now they don't produce them anymore. Those Beatles you know, now I had to buy a golf first golf finish. Then I had to buy a second golf and I got my second or third one now. I'm still not in the market for a BMW. I don't know about you, Mr. Maharaj Natal computer college.
So but I see the Edward in our daily news, our local paper,
BMW motika, advertised as
a picture of the BMW motor car, in front of the motor cars is a woman in the skin piece of bikini body from the tango.
And in front of the motor guy, this woman is standing. You know, in a lustful enticing pose.
You can almost hear us saying Come on, come on.
The bottom test drive her now.
The woman on the car.
Magazine What? I said I'm not in a market for it. But I had to read it. I had to read it.
Sorry, I've taken the off things men COVID. You'll see it there.
He's ungrateful, the ungrateful, rich. Man, he's ever ungrateful.
Leave out one to another. You know, we do some little favors for one, then we expect some kind of gratitude,
fidelity faithfulness, one of our South African poets. He describes it very beautiful the ingratitude of men.
He says fidelity. faithfulness is said to be a human attribute, which makes a modern gentleman distinguished from the brute.
But that supreme fidelity, inborn in every hound in every dog, which is the mark of man's best friend in men is rarely found.
This faithfulness, gratitude, the doc shows it but men mankind in general, the most ungrateful of people, one to another, and troublemaker, if you are not grateful to the Creator, what is meant to man? What I give you this book, and I expect you to be every time you see Mr. D that thank you very much, you know for that book. I expect that from you know, I don't expect it. I shouldn't expect because if I get I expect that I've been disappointed in mankind. I won't do anybody any good at any time at all. I'm grateful riches, let them go to hell.
That's not my job to send people to hell. I says now, I must do my best. I don't expect any reward from anybody at any time.
He's ungrateful. He's given too hasty deeds, everything he does in a hurry, and then you regress afterwards, and on and on and on. What do you want to know? You want to know about Jesus, open J. Everything about Jesus and about Moses, everything But Moses, he went about marriage in Islam and the ame will know about divorce in Islam and the D word. Do you want to know everything
thing on your fingertips. Now this book is yours.
There's no Bluff, you see, the only thing you have to do is
collect these cards.
These cards will be given out to you. At the end of the talk, each and every one is entitled to have a card, only one piece.
This card, you take it to one to four Queen Street, opposite the mosque in Queen Street, there's our
Islamic television there in the window. Next door, there's our shot there. Also Islamic vision 124126 address is given here, you go and present this. That's all you get this guy and the book, this Encyclopedia of 2000 pages, how much how much free, the only thing you have to do is take this little amount of trouble to go and give the card to get your book, give you a card, get your book. Now, what do you do? Suppose you take this card, and before you go out, somebody tells you man, you will get caught with this book. This book is going to capture your mind is going to enslave your mind and if you get terrified, what you do
turn it and throw it away is one book God just tear it and throw it away.
But you owe it to yourself.
You owe it to us there are in the world today 1000 million Muslims
just from the point of view of knowing how their minds are working, just from that point alone. You want to know what does his book say about what and what and what the guy the Muslim fellow who comes in and you make an appointment and the guy turns up late
now, we are all or we
especially we black people's in Indians, Africans coloureds, you know, we are all Muslim or non Muslim. We are all not punctual.
Generally, we are a very unpunctual people, we don't value time. But now if the Muslim fellow lets you down, you see he has something to beat him with. And he can't fight back. You ask him is you Muslim? So yes, Muslim is very proud to say is a Muslim? Yes.
And you're late.
Right? Wait, wait, wait, you, you are going to a special training of punctuality.
Once a year for 30 days, you are so punctual to the second to the minute
in your first thing when you fast? He said yes. You fast said yes. When you break your fast when you break your fast, sudden fixed time, right? So right. And you wait with the watch on your hands?
Or in the most you wait for them to give the answer.
are in the old days. I used to live here as a young boy in Prince Edward Street. And we hear we wait. You see when the as and the time for the big of the faster the time for the evening prayer comes the switch and the light of the minute and the children are waiting in all the street corners. They watch for the light. And they start shouting all over. We used to hear those days, he says but the silky Rosato drive is on break, the fast light is on break the fast and everybody shut away. No wasting of a second. Right for 30 days you did it to the second.
And you can meet an appointment. You are the fittest guy in the world for appointments for punctuality. That's what you're trained for. And you give it to him, you find a guy eating pork chops. When they say you Muslims here, he says
this in ham.
That's a big man is a big call it ham calling bacon. sausage.
So can you see that if you just move it puts you on a better weekend. And I want to put each and every one of you on a better wicked to put the guy right, my Muslim brothers and my children, right, and you will get pleasure in it. Because my God because you are not creating offense. He said look, this is your teaching Mr. D that this is your teaching. So this is what I'm offering to you this book is it's a
book of ornament ornamental for you for from the knowledge point of view, the psychology of men, you know about religion in general. You want to know about karma.
You heard the word karma.
There's a Hindu term karma, the law of cause and effect. The law of cause and effect that every action has a reaction. Beautiful, we believe in that. Everything you do, it has its repercussions. Karma, you will know about karma
in this book, and you say about karma, you know about lynnium I don't know you know, and you'll find that in this book, believe me in this Quran. What do you want to know?
So you owe it to yourself that you take this little trouble of carrying this card and bring along and redeeming it for this book. absolutely free of charge. Now my dear children, Mr. Chairman, lady here, I leave myself open to questions. Any questions? You can ask any questions? Even criticism will be welcome. I assure you, my children. This old man can take it.
I am yours.
Thank you, Mr. Fred. Sorry, enjoyable and lightning talk.
Please feel free to ask me. Any questions?
Yes, my child.
If you've come a little closer, please, please don't be shy. Please don't be shy so that they can also get your question. If you don't mind, no harm done. Okay.
Muslims, enemies are the Muslims and the Jews are the not enemies. Why are the enemies?
Yes, thank you for your question.
No, we as Muslims and Jews or Muslims and Christians and Muslims and Hindus, we are not enemies to one another.
But we are at war.
The Jews and the Muslims are at war.
What are they fighting about?
They are fighting for a piece of land called Palestine.
My brother's the Arabs. They say Palestine belongs to them.
My cousins, the Jews. They say Palestine belongs to them.
It's a battle for the land.
We have between brothers and brothers.
Whether they are among especially father dies, and you find that this estate can be settled. They must go to court, they must go to court. You know, the the dividing the shares the inheritance as a war after war, every Indian, I'm talking about the Muslims. Nobody knew so much. But I know my own people, you have to go to court, you have to go to court.
So this is brother and brother. We are brothers and cousins now. And both are claiming the same piece of land. What are the rights and wrongs of it? Isn't that that is something that we can discuss. We can talk for example, I'm talking to the Jews as they come come and talk to me.
I'm talking to you. I've spoken to the University of Capetown, I've spoken to them here at the university. I have had so many discussions with them. I have written a book, Arabs in Israel conflict or conciliation, and I send it to every influential Jew in the country in South Africa. The reaction was
to kill me, they're gonna bomb me as a
recorded you know in the phone up and they use abusive language and what they're gonna do to me and all that I said come and talk, because my book says call them call people to have dialogue. Come let us talk see if we can see reason. So it is not Muslim want to kill Jews or Jews wanting to kill Muslims? Because we have lived together Muslim in the Jews for over 1000 years. No problem.
You see in Spain, the Muslims will Spain for 800 years. And the Jews are the second highest in the hierarchy doing work among the Muslims. The the greatest achievement of the Jews was by the Jews in Spain and the Muslim rule.
And for 1000 years when the Christians were persecuting the Jews, and when they ran for shelter, protection refuge, they went to Muslim lands and every Muslim country accepted them with open arms. Southland was Sakhalin is a family and plain, you know, come and live among us. We are the children of the same father Abraham, Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, you are the children of Isaac we are the children of Ishmael as such we are brothers come together and they live for 1000 years not a single right against the Jews not nothing. The only time the problem started was with Palestine. When the Jews they went to seek shelter they and they went and they went and they filled
up and then they said Now we will take over for the first time the Muslim wakes up to the reality is is not everything. This guy is going to take it over inch by inch, inch by inch the guy's got in now. He's got the backing of the Western nations and he's technologically more advanced than the poor Palestinians, illiterate ignorant people and he says nothing is in it for them. So now they wake up is no man this is not right. So this conflict from 1900 18
Onwards prior to that, no problems between the Muslims and the Jews.
Any other question?
Well, as the word say, satanic, the guy is certainly the guy who wrote the Satanic Verses The Satanic. You see, the trouble is the bulk of the people. Nobody has really read the book in the Royal Albert Hall. I went and spoke about that book of 56,000 people. And I made the chairman to read the introduction, there is a poetic introduction, a quotation by Daniel Defoe, you know, some literary man, his quotation about the devil. So I made the chairman to read it from the Satanic Verses, and the chairman read it, and is asking 6000 people, anybody at any time has read this. You know that I've seen it anyway. You read anywhere out of 6000 people, one guy put up his hand where
in the Satanic Verses
when I'm asking the people, the audience, as you see originally has something special to tell about you. You limit us.
As you know, the very first page he calls your bastards, you London as are all bastards. Do you know that? No.
As in London, as I say you whether you are an English Londoner or a Pakistani landowner, or a second, or a Hindu Londoner, you are a Londoner. You are a Boston. Shocked, shocked. What have you been reading? You say this book is very good as a comic con, talk to me. Then, of course, it was more than an hour's talk. I'm giving him what he says about Rama. what he says about Sita, did you read it says no. So you will want to kill him you? What is about you white people? The whole white race is is Why do women know mine? Fat, Jewish, or non differential white women? I can't say the other words, whatever they're good for.
I can't. But as you talk to me, you want to know as a white man, you know what he says about your mother, your wife, your sister, your daughter? You know what he said about your mother, your wife? I want to know what are your reactions. When these what it says about Rama and Sita. This is what he says about all of your whole white race. And on and on and on the filthiest dirtiest book in my life I ever came across was the Satanic Verses really satanic.
Keep away from it. From the price point of view. At one time it was costing 15 pounds that 75 rands universe 75 grams, and that
is about 540 pages. So if I want you I'm giving you my son 2000 pages free of charge.
just told me that a lot is impossible. And
like living in the past now. And the grasp
of it is besides the point, Allah is merciful,
for people to avoid judgment,
because they see
reading papers to use phrases like
a world leading to formulate opinions and impose their tendency to the point where we have
merciful and sympathetic to Allah.
A folder but we left the position before that point.
In general, to begin with, and give him a break.
My son, very beautiful thoughts. God is merciful and we are expected to be merciful. He is just and we are expected to be just he has beneficent. We must be beneficent, charitable, He is holy, we must be holy. That is the teaching of Islam. That is the teaching of Hinduism.
is a beautiful teaching. But now, we are also taught to respect one another.
Now, I asked you what is your name? So you tell me I'm Mr. So and So Nigel. Poggio Medallia govender whatever. This is yes, yes, yes, yes. I New York.
was a lot of people I know the grandfathers and grandmothers. I am 73 now since as a young man, I have been moving around a lot. So yeah, your grandma
used to live there, you know? You know she was
she was International, not only for India
if you punch him in the jaw,
right to blame you.
So what am I doing? I'm asking for it. Am I not? What am I doing? Talk, man talk. Talk nicely about everybody. You swear my mother. Look, you can call me anything. I'm big enough. I told you said this old man can take it if you remember. You know, I said ask any questions. Even criticism will be welcome, as this old man can take it.
I stand by that. But now you come along there while you're asking me questions and you swear my mother. You know?
I will punch you in the jaw. Oh, my God. No, I'm not talking frankly, my mind is still 16 in my mind, I'm still 16 year old. I know my body. Realize that. You see, but my mind tells me I can give it to you and I will punch you in the jaw. Maybe I'll break your jaw and also break my hand. Because he's gone too soft. Now is not what it was before. You see? But this isn't that natural reaction of anybody. You say my mother
call me anything man. Call me an ox. Call me a donkey. Call me a fool.
I can tolerate you. But leave my mother out of the picture. Understand, don't talk about my mother. Don't talk about my wife. Don't talk about my daughter.
Now there and
you blame me for that. You see the western law? Beautiful. It protects the living. If I call your mother
Your mother has a right to take me to court. Did you know that she has a right to take me to court for besmirching her Fanny. Aquila, rehaul. Amazon prove it in the house of Islam. As a Muslim, in a Muslim country, if I call your mother a whore, I must produce four witnesses to prove it. That I saw her actually committing adultery. Not one I saw another three witnesses. We all are witnesses and all the witnesses. You know, if they have to testify against your mom, they'll have to be consistent in that evidence and the cross examination if one of them fails, all the four will get 80 lashes each.
you dismiss the name of a lady. Now, that is Islamic law, Western law, law of defamation, you say something about a living person, that person has a right to take you to court that you know, but you say Western law doesn't protect the dead. Your mother is dead, and I call her
and I'm a big bully. A big gang behind me is gone. Do what you like, what can you do? But can you do? Nothing helpless? Because the Lord has been protect this look, then now we must bring your mother out of the grave to come and say look, I'm not I was not a hoarder, which we can do. So the stigma sticks. So that guy I have no right to forgive. If somebody saw your mother
or I saw your mother, these people have no right to forgive me. Your mother has a right if she's living. She has the right to forgive me. You forgive me, your brothers and sisters Forgive me Your Father, forgive me. Your mother for mother's dead
I get away with it. So this is the law. Why the man says Now you say something about my mother, which is blasphemous. And the law of blasphemy in the house of Islam is dead.
Yes. Anybody else?
Yes, my son is one second. Let's give him a chance first. Yes.
Yes, that there is a power satanic powers. I do believe
maybe they have nothing to chew on. You see the second if people really say this, I think there's a cut. Is that what they're attacking the Christians you say? Right. Because they come from Christian background. Sarah, Sarah, my son. You see they come from a Christian origin. All the satanist they will not Hindus before they become Saturday's they will not Muslims before they became satanist. What were they the background of Christianity. So in other words, they come from that background. They know more about the background so they attend that background.
I think that is the answer. Why they would they want to attack the Christians and not the Hindus, not the Buddhists, not the Muslims. Why is it? No, they have no knowledge about Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, they have no knowledge, but they have knowledge about Christianity, so they can play on that. I think that is the reason.
Yes, my son, you had something?
Why do they
talk to you, or whatever you want to call it? This is,
from the religious point of view, in our relationship with God
is not a necessity. This is not a necessity. But in society, we need an identity. Suppose I meet you in the street.
I might think that maybe he's at a million. Then if I knew how to say good morning to you in Campbell, I would have said it.
Otherwise, now I'm at a loss that the other guy like me who looks like me, the bunya they're my cousins are the same race money as me I'm Abuja, the Muslim, Ban Yakuza, Hindus, in our complexions, we are the same
bunya Hindu and the Muslim is the same. We also have the same surnames if you know, Muslim, Patel, Patel, Muslim, si, si, Muslim, Bula, Bula. I'm sure you have come across, right. So what is all this? No, actually, we are one people. Now when I see the man in the street, I'm telling you, frankly, I pass the people in the street and lower people, they smile at me.
I don't know whether the guy is a Hindu or a Muslim. I don't know.
If I can make out because I keep on seeing them. The face becomes familiar as I know the guy. But now what should I say? Shall I say no? musty? Shall I say?
I said what shall I say? So because I don't I'm not sure. I also get a big smile.
Now in the West, my people now because of this problem, they start saying hi, hi. You know, you're 100% Okay, you know, you can say Salaam Babu, Colombia. Or you can say what do you say hi, hi becomes universal. So we wouldn't like to lose our cultural tradition. I like to wish you my son, whether you are an African Muslim as Islamic. If I see you are an Indian, American, anybody, I go to China, I see somebody.
And that's an open door for us. As soon as Islamic I go to a strange place, Hong Kong, Hong Kong, Singapore, and you see anybody so as long
as you know, I come from South Africa, where there's a mosque,
I will take you otherwise, I'm asking, excuse me, is the most sort set.
I don't know. I'm like official. If I recognize somebody immediately. And his heart and home are open for me. It's like an open society. You know, this, this hit yet. So I said now for the purpose of recognition that I may wish people I want my children and my people to have an identity that you know, we can wish you Salaam Alaikum. So welcome Salaam. And immediately if a bond is created immediately, you an example, in the tubes in London, I've been sitting so many times a man across from me sitting face to face in the train in the tube.
And you dare not open your mouth. You don't know how to stack? This is? Excuse me?
It's so easy by God. It's so easy. If I see.
So you can
see it as well. I come from services. I come from Southern Europe, South Africa. He says Durban What do you mean Durban? I come from Dublin and I haven't seen it. No, no, I live here in Springfield like this, like that immediate bond with Pakistan.
In Pakistan for three years. You know, it wasn't cash bond, immediate bond.
But now, the other guy because they're not used to that. As soon as as soon as they will confirm. That's your business? Is that your business?
The other guy I can ask him immediately. Our culture is Are you married? This young fellow here? He said no. I said Why? What's wrong with you? Come on. I'll show you No.
No, no, this is our culture. Are you married? Yes, me children. Look, this is to us. We are all open book to everybody. We want to know we want you to know everything about me and I want to know everything about you. And this does it when I know that this is our cultural background. I can talk to you more freely. Otherwise, I'm afraid if I as soon as I ask you some question, is it from the Inspectorate of revenue?
Yes, yes, ladies.
Yes. Why don't females
to the mosque as you see the mosque.
The obligation to pray
in the house of Islam is on everybody, male and female. We are all obligated, fasting, same
pilgrimage, everything that the man does, the woman does everything say, but there is what is called a segregation of the sexes in the house of Islam, like among the Africans is a funny, you know, respectful womanhood. So the man comes along into the crawl, women go with the men and the women go with the women. Now in our culture is the same, there is what is called a segregation of the sexes.
Many men and women are not allowed to freely intermingle. So in the absence of a separate facility in the mosque, where they can come into the mosque without intermingling with men, they pray at home. But law in the mosque in South Africa, provisions are being made, you know, where you have a separate entrance for the ladies separate ablution facility for washing toilets, everything separate, they are in the mosque exit out of the mosque. In other words, what is forbidden is free. Interestingly, in the house of Islam means in our teaching,
no Muslim man has a right to be alone with a woman who is not his mother, or wife or sister or daughter. Everybody else is a keep them at a respectable distance. If I was going to Johannesburg, alone in the car, I need company. If I see you, my sister, my daughter, you standing by the roadside.
Trying to tell me lift. My religion says don't give her a lift. Not because you're an African.
Even a woman of my own race, don't give her a lift.
But if she's accompanied by a man, maybe a husband, maybe her brother, maybe a father, it's an act of charity. Come inside, I'm empty. We're going and going as far as new classes are
free is an act of charity. But if the woman is alone,
whatever race my own race is the dawn give her a lift. Why?
Because it is a challenge to men's manliness. If it doesn't make some suggestions. This is man any man every man unless is a hypocrite or something is wrong with him.
A man is a man. He has a woman
traveling alone. He was married he says no. boyfriends.
He was married How long? 15 years and the children is no
this is man any man?
Any man is like that. So therefore, this is not look before that thing happens. This old man I'm talking about is old man himself.
before that happens, you see now you are nice and jovial. You're smiling. I say some small joke and you laugh like hell in the car. To me, this woman is getting
to meet this is man any man every man. So Islam says keep him at arm's length. I'ma keep you respect related distance. And you keep me at a respectable distance. This is the reason there is no free intermingling of the sexes. Yes.
Yes, my son.
circumcision. I know, that is the biggest barrier.
In rejecting converts. The man says, Man, I agree with you. I agree with you. Everything is fine. You know. I said, Look, man, you must eat the pig is about what's wrong, man. I said, Well, I reasoned with you so I can see your point. I said, Look, you mustn't bring about ankle, a little nipple. I thought, Man, I said, Look, my son. These are the dangers. He said, Well, I can see your point as a no, don't be promiscuous. Don't go along and dance with other people's wives and daughters. He has about what's wrong
with you, and his uncle can see your point of view. But now you agree with everything. And as an circumcision. That's
so nice. And what is this? As is my son, this is for your own benefit. Look, man. Yesterday day before yesterday, it was in our local paper, cancer, the cervix of the cervix in women.
Which is a killer among women cancer, the womb is a killer woman. 85% of all women who suffer from cancer of the womb are wives of uncircumcised husbands.
Problem. I went to the American Hospital. Some years ago, I had a problem. And I'm sleeping there on the bed. So this allocates a seat. I say you know
what you're here for a problem. What's your name? Mr. Reddy?
So he tells me thank god
It's you know, it's like this like that. And what is his problem with the foreskin? circumcision.
Next to me is a young boy school boy. So what's wrong with you?
is nothing wrong with me?
What brings you here? whenever you hear this anchor,
she's telling me Actually he's got construction, he must be circumcised, circumcised.
Look, no insists upon the Read, read this so many is just coincidental that the guy next to the wall was already grown up, man, this guy was already across the aisle Hindustani gentleman about 50 years and more.
So I grew up to him.
What brings you here?
So again, he's in turmoil, he's in torture, he tells me
Got a problem. He must be circumcised, otherwise, the skin is coming the way. I said, you know, I'm telling the nurses look as young, as you see me, I enjoy talking. So I say you know, you Your husband is a second size. It's a No, Your husband is circumcised says no, I say you got a problem, as I tell them all to be circumcised. Not for religious reasons.
As it as much as we are vaccinated for what our government tells us, according to the health regulations, that if you are vaccinated, there's less likelihood of you getting smallpox in this in that period, entity, this thing all that they're doing it to you for what
to save you. They give us vaccination, inoculation against smallpox, typhoid and all that before you go see what for the hate, you know,
but for your benefit. So now this circumcision as if I came into power in this country, I will pass a law circumcise every male child in the country in an African colored white, nothing to do with religion, I say for health reasons. Because 85% of my children, my daughters,
who are married to uncircumcised husbands, they are suffering from cancer of the womb, a killer disease among women. So just to save that, there are so many other philosophical aspects. You come and see me and I will give you further details which I can share with you here. But as you know, just that alone, 85% of the women who suffer from cancer of the womb, wives of uncircumcised husband, I say circumcised, everybody. It's a net operation. You know how easy it is? You see previously and the primitive condition, the septic, this thing lasted for a long time and you suffered, man, I had the young men circumcised on a Sunday morning and Monday morning on a bicycle
he went to work. It is it is as difficult as that. You know, Sunday he gets operated on and Monday morning is riding a bicycle. Who's making deliveries? Yes. Anything else? Yes, my son.
the windows state
I didn't hear the detail of your question. But I think it's again about God and Satan.
I think if you can a little closer please. I'm sorry. I can't hear too well from that distance. Yes.
Christian, Satanism, Satanism and Christians.
I don't really Satanism what is the philosophy, why they are out to promote Satanism.
Maybe Satanism gives them that freedom to do anything and everything which religion doesn't allow you Hinduism won't allow you this thing, that thing that thing you haven't allowed it as you know, Thou shalt not commit adultery. Hinduism says that, you know, slam says that Judaism says that thou shalt not kill. We have certain common denominators. But now as soon as the person says straight, straight jacketing you as a Hindu as a Muslim. You want to be free to do what you like, you want to behave like an animal. You want to behave like a pig. People want to behave like pigs. So now the best thing is to disown
This old religion altogether, and they said, No, this is a new cult they call it Satanism. But now that battle is with us. Every individual, we say, we believe that we have all got this propensity for evil. We have two qualities in us towards godliness, and towards holiness deliciousness. So the battle is on, on in all of us, everyone, the Holy Prophet Muhammad, he described the situation beautifully to his companions. While they are around him, he's telling them that shaitaan that Satan or devil shaytan causes through the body of men like the blood. He's passing through you. He's eating every fiber of you, he permeates you, everybody. shaytaan men means mankind shaytan causes
through the body of men, like the blood is imperceptible, he's there, your blood is moving and going and doing the job without you feeling that the heart is pumping and supplying blood to the brain, to allow me to think without that I can think but all this is all automatic. Similarly, this evil propensity also in men is permeating him like the blood. Everybody.
Everybody is what about you?
See, they had the right to ask questions.
You do. This is me too. But mine is under control.
The only difference is that the temptations are there everybody, unless there's something wrong with you. You remember I described before something wrong with you, you are important, or you a
lunatic, there's a different matters. But otherwise, everyone, we have this propensities, and the battle is on. And we are to overcome those evil propensities. You say the devil, the devil, you will go and steal.
And you blame the devil. You go and rape and murder and you blame the devil. I want to know whether the devil came to you with horns, with a tail with a barbed hook with a really complex and then he told you to go and rape that woman? Did he? Know what is this devil you're talking about? Is you yourself, you are that devil? You are that Satan? But now very easy to pass the buck being that somebody some other guy? You know he you know, he told me to do this? And he Who told you? Did you see him? Did he whispered in your ear? What do you say? Did he speak to you in English Zulu? That's a thing you're talking about? What did he tell you?
So, this is like good thing passing the buck. The thing is, is with you in me in you in me and we are to give battle to these forces through the guidance of God, whatever God tells us this is no I shall not do it and program. So we are shown the two broad highways according to the Quran, two broad highways, one leading to salvation and the other leading to hell, the choice is yours and you have the freedom of choice that will freedom of will is given to you. You make your choice and you make your decision and therefore you are accountable. You will have to pay for it. You might get over here, but not in the hereafter. Yes, you want me to continue.
If you have any more questions, I'm here.
You think I've had enough?
Thank you for your questions. That brings us to the end of our presentation. And once again to our guest speaker. Thank you very much.
Thank you Mr. Gaeta for a very enlightening and interesting speech. Interesting speech.