Her Shocking Confession – She Wont Stop

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Are you Israeli? Yeah. You're an Israeli? Yes.

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And, have you been not October, you got

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sacked people. Have you been in IDF? What?

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Have you been in IDF? I'll be there

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in 1 week.

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This this this sister just jumps into speaker's

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corner

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and

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tells everyone she's going to the IDF next

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week.

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Yeah. You're you're getting some your case ready?

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Are you, like,

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are you going to the I 7 October?

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Sorry? Do you know what happened, sir? What

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happened in Israel? Because

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the sorry accident Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

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I know I know what happened on the

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7th October.

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I know what happened on the 7th October.

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Coming. Fine. Fine. Before we get to the

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7th October was a smaller catastrophe

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was a smaller catastrophe than what has to

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wait. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you

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why. I'll tell you why. You can you

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can say that 7th October triggered

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what happens later.

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Okay. I agree. I agree. What happened? I

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okay. What happened? Many people many innocent people

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died on 7th of October. I agree with

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you. Okay. That doesn't give the license to

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Israel

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to go and wipe out an entire population.

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Let me. No. I I've agreed with you.

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7th October, a catastrophe, an atrocity took place

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where innocent people died. 100%.

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No doubt. Okay. Now

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moving on from that,

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does that give a license to Israeli generals,

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IDF soldiers,

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and Zionist

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Zionist propagandists. I'm sorry. Other people speak. Okay?

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Yeah. You okay. People What's my question? What

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what are you answering? Ask no. Yeah. Tell

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them you answer. Okay? Are you Israeli? Yeah.

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You're an Israeli? Yes. And, have you been

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October, you got sacked people. Have you been

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in IDF? Have you been in IDF? You'll

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be there in 1 week. You will be

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and you will go and join the IDF

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Yeah. A genocidal

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a genocidal entity. My country. In several So

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even if your country is committing a genocide,

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you will support it? Let me Yeah. Okay?

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Okay. We have an eye potential

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prospective

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prospective Let us speak. Let us speak. Let

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us speak. Speak to you.

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Okay? So so that is clear.

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Okay. I'm talking everyone, I'm talking to an

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Israeli lady.

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I'm talking to an Israeli lady. She is

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going to join the IDF in one week,

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and we're gonna try to convince her not

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to do that. Let's see if we are

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successful. At all. Do you want to convince?

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We will. We will. We will. Okay. You

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2 things. Okay.

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2 things will happen today. 2 things will

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happen before you leave. In a 7 Before

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before you can't bully me. It's not Israel.

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Okay. It's not Israel. Yeah. Yeah. She's not

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Yeah. So can you give her the mic?

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Can you give her the mic? So put

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the mic on her. Would you like to

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listen? I'm handing you the mic.

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Yeah. So to I before we begin before

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we continue, 2 things will happen today. Either

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you will lose your humanity completely and you

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will reject all human values. Stubborn.

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Many people were murdered, my friends, and they

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get kidnapped.

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Many kids. Or you will do the decent

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thing.

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Or rape many,

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women.

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There's no evidence for that. No. No evidence

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for that. We're not These are all lies.

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These are all lies. So We do not

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believe the Israeli government.

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We don't believe you have a friend that

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was raped? Do you have a friend that

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was raped? Yeah? A friend that

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was kidnapped

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please don't intervene. Don't intervene. Just Okay. Let

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her talk. Let her talk. Thank you. Yes.

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Let her talk. So in 7 October, there

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was,

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like, many people go inside Israel,

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kidnap kids, kidnap women, kidnap,

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women that in You're at 40, babies. So

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if you

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I'm very Wait. Wait.

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Wait. Wait. A lot a lot of these

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things you said are true. Yeah. A lot

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of these things. Yeah. But at the same

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time,

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Israeli propaganda has been they have been raped.

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Wait. Wait. They have been raped.

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And 40 babies 40 babies were beheaded.

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Even Biden. Okay. Joe Biden. Okay. He came

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and made his us? Do you accept do

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you accept that? I'm country accept that. Right,

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and we were Wait. Return you a fire?

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What's your name?

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People are accepting. What's your name? Our

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No. Our man My name is Artina. What's

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your name? What's your name? Yeah. That's not

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my there. Me? Is what we had there.

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That's why Okay. But the party of our

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baby is always kidnapped in there. Guys, one

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second. Can I can I can I can

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I can I can I our women will

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be kidnapped and raped? Can I talk to

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her? Can I talk to her?

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Let That's okay. Yeah. No. No. Relax. Relax.

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I just want to explain that there is

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another side. Relax. And you need to look

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on the other side. There's also a me

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that does show you the other side of

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the video. Okay? I request from everyone to

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remain silent. Let her talk. See, you don't

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have to shout. You don't have to shout.

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You don't have to shout. Hey, Tate. You're

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doing good. Listen. What did you do? This

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was

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this this was a lady

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this was a lady. That wasn't a debate.

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This was a lady. It was she didn't

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wanna talk. Clearly, you know why the Israelis

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Israelis brainwash their children,

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and they become like this. What she was

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saying there, I told her that your country,

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your people are committing a genocide. They are

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burying thousands of children alive. Right?

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And she heard that, and she said, I

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will defend my country. I will defend my

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country. So your nationalism

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your nationalism Take a shower. Your nationalism, your

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love for your people, your love for your

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kind, your love for your race is going

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to make you commit a genocide of children

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and innocent people.

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Fine. What happened on the 7th October was

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a was an atrocity. No one's denying that.

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The question is, does that give you a

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license to go and join the same entity

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now that is committing a genocide against innocent

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children?

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Why do I keep saying children? Because they

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are the largest

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victims.

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They are the biggest victims of this unfair,

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unjust war.

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This is an unjust war. Affair. Why?

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Because Israel is an occupational

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power.

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Israel is occupying territory.

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Okay?

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So we had this lady. She said she's

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gonna go next week and join the IDF.

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And we tried to convince her we tried

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to convince her to do the right thing,

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to do the decent thing. Don't do that.

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Okay. We care about you. You're a human

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being.

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Okay. You are an Israeli.

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You have humanity. You have the same blood,

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same heart pumping in your chest. Right? Have

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some humanity. Have some moral values.

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Don't just go and die

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for a genocidal

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oppressive power. This is how the Atlantic slave

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trade continued. This is how Western colonialism continued

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for 100 of years. You know why? Because

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people like this young lady were supporting the

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country.

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They were supporting an unjust occupation,

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an unjust brutalization

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of the natives in Australia,

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in Canada, in the American West where 100

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of 1000, millions of Native Americans were wiped

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out

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by Western colonialism.

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Okay. When will this stop is the question.

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Our battle,

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our struggle is against

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this kind of brutalization

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and this kind of brutality

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committed by anyone. We don't care who it

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is. Anyone who commits such atrocious

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acts against innocent people

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must be challenged

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and confronted. You cannot allow young people like

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this to join a genocidal power. So we

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tried to reason with her. That's all we

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can do. There's nothing else we can do.

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We cannot force her, but we can reason

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with her. And she didn't wanna talk to

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us. Clearly, the reason she didn't wanna talk

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to us because she knew she cannot defend

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the genocide.

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She has no way that she can stand

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there with a straight face and tell me

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that what's happening to the children Gaza and

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her mother. I don't know. It was her

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mother or her aunt. She pulled her away.

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I'll talk to you. You pulled her away.

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I'll talk to you.

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Are you going to defend

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Israel? Are you going to defend Israel? Try

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and be as honest about the problem as

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possible. Okay. Okay? Are you going to defend

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Israel? In hang on. I'm talking about the

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genocide right now. If you're going to defend

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Israel, then we can talk. If you're not

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if you're not defending Israel, then there's no

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conversation. Can I can I start? Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah. Well, if we're both disagreeing, there's not

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much for an audience to feed on anyway.

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So a bit of healthy dialect is probably

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a good thing. Yeah. So Look. Look. If

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if you if you want,

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what is the conversation about? This conversation started

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with me walking up to Adnan and saying,

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I think what And then you give the

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mic to the lady. An Israeli

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an

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Israeli IDF soldier

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to to be.

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An IDF soldier to be. You asked me

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to give it to her. Yes?

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The bike. He asked me, and it's his

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mic, so I did it. So are you

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going to defend Israel? I'm gonna can I

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talk for a minute? Okay. Okay. If the

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only question is, are you in any way

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gonna defend Israel, and I'm not allowed to

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say anything which doesn't totally agree with you,

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we're not gonna have a discussion. Yes. We

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try and have a discussion. Okay. Go ahead.

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This started with me walking up to you

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and saying, I think what the idea for

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doing in Gaza is appalling.

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Okay? I said that. Is that pretty clear?

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Yeah. Is that a fairly clear in no.

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It doesn't

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mean we agree on every aspect of every

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diagnostic,

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but we can agree thus far. I think

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That's all I need to hear. Okay. Fine.

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Well, I don't think it's all we need

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to discuss. Okay. So we can put we

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can put The details. Let's let's let's start

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with the, the beginning.

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Palestine is occupied territory. Do you agree?

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Wait for the Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. In

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principle. Look. Hang on. What do you mean

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in principle? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

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Listen. Your power. Listen. Wait. Okay. Wait. Can

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I caveat Palestine is occupied territory? Talk and

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then I'll answer the question? By all United

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Nations If you've done resolutions against Israel Gentlemen

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Okay. There are You have to let there

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are human rights organizations. Adnan. Adnan. No. You

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have to let me stop. Your premise. Give

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me a second. Okay? As a I need

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to introduce this by pointing out, I don't

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claim to be an expert on these facts,

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and I don't wanna misrepresent Then why are

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you talking territory. Yes. Given

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I don't understand enough facts, I think it's

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is it? Is it?

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By territory?

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Yes. Given I don't understand enough facts, I

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think it is, but I'm not a 100%

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sure.

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Because of my lack of knowledge,

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which I'm owning. Are you are you that

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are you are you that are you that

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ill informed? I may be. Are you that

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are you that? Okay. Mike Are you that

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ignorant? Okay. Basic facts. Then let's discuss I

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may be. So I'm owning up to my

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ideas. Talk I mean, earlier,

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when I questioned you about the genocide Yeah.

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You said it is appalling Correct. But I

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want to discuss the I wanna discuss the

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way forward. The way no. No. You said

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That's what I wanna discuss, the way forward.

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What is the best way of resolving this

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from everybody's policy? That should be the question.

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Territory.

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I believe so, but I don't know enough

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facts. Okay. Wait. Stop cutting me off. I'm

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not talking about the details. You're cutting me.

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I'm not saying how many inches. Okay. You

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guys you guys How many acres? How many

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kilometers? I'm talking about a basic fact in

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It's Palestine occupied territory. And I've claimed due

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to my ignorance, I can't occupied territory. He

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doesn't wanna do it today. The guy is

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claiming occupied

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territory.

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To continue, I have said,

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given my limited knowledge, I think so, but

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I don't wanna make out. I'm an expert.

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You're not kidding. No. I'm not kidding. So

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that's the first point we discussed. Because it's

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Before you get to ideas Because it's before

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you get to the genocide I think you're

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wrong. We need to discuss you're wrong. What

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is going on in this land. I think

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you're wrong. I think it. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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Let's start from the beginning. Let's start with

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Palestine occupied territory. We're gonna discuss that point.

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No. Let's try this. Let's have a clock

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2 minutes each, and then we can actually

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have a dialogue inside. Are you don't have

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I

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want to have a fruitful targeted So do

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I. So Is Palestine occupied territory? Minutes each.

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Listen. Why is it you are you a

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Christian?

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I'm not answering more questions. Let's just take

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2 minutes each. Christians are supposed to guys.

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Mercy You think you're getting your best quality

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debate here with this? Or would you like

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this on a clock? Followers of Christ. Would

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you like us

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on a clock? No. I mean So we

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can have an actual discussion where I give

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him time to talk. 100%. He gives me

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time to talk. Would you like to hear

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that? Hear what you have said. Okay? I

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don't think anybody is hearing anything at the

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moment. Occupied territories. Okay. What I'm the topic.

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Okay. What I am trying to do is

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make as many as One minute, one minute

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is Palestine. How many no. You don't get

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to dictate the question in my 2 minutes.

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I get Okay. I get the question. In

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your 2 minutes. I get the same time.

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Does anyone got a clock? At 9:1 minute.

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2 minutes. Has anyone got a clock? Is

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Palestine occupied to you? Got a clock? I'm

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not choosing to use my 2 minutes to

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attack that. Palestine occupied to you? My 2

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who's having the first 2 minutes? Is this,

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you know, this this flag, it's it's it's

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Okay. It seems we don't know how to

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share it tonight. Is it is it occupied

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territory? That's the point I wanna discuss. Because

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once we discuss this flag, everything else will

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become clear why the genocide is taking

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here got a clock to time 2 minutes.

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Sorry. Yeah. Have you So that's the topic

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of discussion. Okay? No. That's another topic of

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discussion. What are you discussing? My topic of

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discussion is Is what? What is the best

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outcome that could be got from the solution?

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This is what the eye should be on

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the ball. What is the best solution for

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the people of Palestine Right. And the people

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of Israel. That should be the highest topic.

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How do we discuss the solution if we

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don't agree on the causes of the conflict?

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So I suggest I suggest

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that when we're discussing it, we try and

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at least make as many as statements we

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can agree on before we start disagreeing. We

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find out what common ground we have. Solution

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that comes back to the cause of the

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problem. I agree. Remove the cause I agree.

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And there won't be effect.

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Okay? Remove the cause. The cause is occupation.

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Okay. Israel Israel is an occupying power, is

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a western occupying power backed by the western

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governments,

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backed by the Christian right, backed by the

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the bible bashers in the American south. Okay.

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The Zionist Christians backed by the British

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ruling establishment, not the people. The people the

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people don't want this. So no discussion. No

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discussion. No discussion.

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2 minutes each. Someone get a clock. So

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let's go to the cause. Someone get a

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clock. The cause is occupation. No. I'm going

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to the cause is occupation. The cause is

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occupation. Who's talking first? What? You got a

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clock. What are we discussing? Yes. That's very

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important. What are we discussing? I have made

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it clear. I think the thing everybody should

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keep their eye on is how do you

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resolve this bad thing? Does he agree? And

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okay. So we need to agree on the

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question at least. Do you agree? But here's

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one here's one thing we agree on. We

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agree, I think, that what Israel is doing

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in Gaza the moment is appalling. Okay?

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I'd like to see the people of Palestine

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get a better deal. I think that you're

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being diverted in these debates into questions of

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is it genocide, is it terrorism, this and

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that. And you can spend hours debating that

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and it deflects from it doesn't matter. As

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long as what's happening is appalling It deflects

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from the main problem. Problem. Can I finish?

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I agree. As long as you agree What

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is the main problem?

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If you It deflects on the main problem.

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Yeah. What is the main problem? The the

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main problem is if we can agree that

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what Israel is doing there, I think, is

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appalling, that's enough. We can move on. No.

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No. No. No. No. This is the I'm

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actually trying to help and agree with you.

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This is a simp to what you're discussing

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is an outcome. We're discussing the cause. What

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is the main problem? What is causing all

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of this?

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What is causing all of this? This? What

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is causing causing this is a very, I

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think, complex

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international

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Complex. Can I finish? Are we on 2

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minutes? Very simple. Who's tie whose clock are

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we on? Okay. If I'm gonna talk. You're

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not I've wait. I have already said I

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okay.

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Okay. You're talking Tell me when I got

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too much in the like, you're talking like

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a politician. Okay. Fine. Fine. Whatever I'm talking,

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I just let me talk. Are very complex.

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We really have to do me give me

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the cake. Really have to get into the

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meeting pretty easily. The idea is The idea

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is shut. Get things that people are Yeah.

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I do. Look. I am trying to avoid

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that. I made a very I'm trying to

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get straight to the cross. Great. Well, we'll

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do that better if we have a conversation.

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We'll do that better if we share a

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cross. So

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So

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anyway.

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What? Fucking hell. I wanna talk for *ty.

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No. No.

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No. No. Right. Why do we come? Alright.

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Okay. Let him make his noise and

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Okay.

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Back to I one of us is on

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the clock. I wanna talk about the causes.

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Okay. You wanna talk about the causes? Yeah.

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Actually, no. I think I wanna talk about

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solutions. And I think you are doing the

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solutions that are actually linked to us. I

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agree. Solutions and causes are linked, but I

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think we need to keep our eye on

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the ball. Put on the cause. When you

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start micromanaging discussions about is it terrorism, if

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we agree all agree it's appalling I'm not

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getting it done. That's enough. I'm not getting

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it done. Okay. So is it terrorism? Once

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we establish

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the cause,

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everything will become clear. So What's the cause?

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Okay.

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We need to what's the cause of the

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conflict? There there have there have been mass

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murders, genocides,

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massacres, Jenin, and we have so many,

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Nakaba

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children and women. Nakaba

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children and women have been killed, raped,

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jailed, brutalized,

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children shot in the head by Israeli soldiers'

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idea. All of it. What is causing it?

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When What is causing it? Right. When do

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I get to respond?

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You want to respond to what? Well, number

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1, do I dictating the question. Okay. I

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will address both questions. Okay. Your key question

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is what is the cause? Yes. And I

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think it's obviously a relevant question. I'm not

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disputing that. Of course understanding causes. I think

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a second, and I think more important question

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is what's the goddamn solution? Okay? Can we

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address both of those questions? Yeah. Let's discuss

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the cause first. Okay. With regard to cause,

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I've already said, unfortunately, my area is like

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ethics, teleology, metaphysics. That's my primary interest. I'm

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not a political scientist. You get to the

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solutions? No. No. No. When he gets to

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the solution, he becomes a political scientist. Wait.

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No. I'm not But when we discuss the

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cause, you

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are everything but a political scientist. Sorry. Okay.

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But when it comes to the solution, you

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become a geopolitician.

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No. I'm claiming I may be ignorant of

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facts that other people know better than me.

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Not discuss the solution. No. I'm sorry.

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I'm just caveat.

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You're not

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qualified. You're No. I'm not qualified to discuss

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facts in the way that probably other people

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are. But how are you qualified to discuss

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the solution? I am qualified to discuss ethics

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and methodology

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and objectivity

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and self consistency

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and principles that should be brought to bed

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in any discussion including politics. Okay? I appreciate

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that. Now my heart essentially

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thinks the Palestinians had a bad deal and

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what the idea for doing in Israel

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is appalling. Okay? Does that make my position

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broadly clear? Okay? It it makes it very

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very,

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I mean, how can I put it? The

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language you are using is very light. You

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as if I'm sorry. It's light. But As

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I mean, as in What what

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what what do I have to say in

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order to show

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I'm kind 1,000 children

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is not only appalling. The word appalling to

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me is disgusting. Okay. It's appalling and disgusting.

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It's more embarrassing. But appalling to me is

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all of that. Okay? So if we can

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agree it's appalling, can we move on? We

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need solutions. Okay? What's causing you? What's

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solutions. I suggest for solutions. We start with

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discuss the solutions. We'll do both. The cause.

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We're gonna do both. So we're gonna do

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both. Okay. Let's discuss the cause. Okay. When

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we'll let you explain. When it comes to

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the causes because I'm more ignorant of facts,

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I'm under the illusion, the key mode Okay.

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Brothers, thank you so much. What? I don't

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conversation.

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What? I'm about to talk about the consequences.

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Mike, Mike, Mike.

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Guys. You're running away. I'm running away. I'm

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totally running away from wasting waste of time.

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You're totally running away. Ramadan and I'm fasting.

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You're asking me the causes and I just

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said

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you're asking me the causes and I'm about

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to say what they are.

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Hang on. Hang on. That's his. Do you

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really the guy you're just running away. The

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causes seem to pivot on 1948.

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The causes seem to pivot on 1948.

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Where have you been put on And the

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declaration of the state of Israel in 1948.

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I want you. Yes? No? Need to check,

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man, before I Okay. You're just running. I'm

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mic'd up. No. I'm I'm I'm you're not

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serious. I just answered the question. You're clearly

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not serious. The the main cause seems to

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be 1948, the establishment of the So I

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don't think it became a Wait. Wait. Wait.

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Give me give me give me give me

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give me

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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. And he just made

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a statement Yeah. That the cause is why

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couldn't he say that before? Because I know

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Mike's *ing Why couldn't you? Okay. He's gonna

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have to be I'm gonna be Because I'm

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being honest and I'm trying you're not used

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to debating people who are trying to honest.

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I'm actually more on your side than their

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side. I don't believe you're honest. Because if

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you're honest Okay. You would have no You

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guys did. Hesitation in saying what you just

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said. No. What did you say? What did

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you say? If I know I don't know

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my facts, then I can't be comfortable when

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I assert a fact. The you don't know

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that Chinese came in I believe. You don't

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know that the Chinese came in to Palestine

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and spoke to the fact. You wanna know

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what I believe? I'm telling you what I

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believe. Yeah. I believe in my potential ignorance

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that this pivots on 1948,

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that there was a mass immigration of Jews

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unfairly into Palestine, which displaced about 700

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and 50,000

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Arabs

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in the Makba.

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Okay? This is my understanding. If you hadn't

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spent 10 minutes interrupting me Amazingly. I was

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just trying to I was just trying to

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caveat it. What I was trying to get

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out of the last Stop interrupting.

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If you didn't keep interrupting, I would've got

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that out of my mouth 10 minutes ago.

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I'm caveating

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it by saying, I'm not claiming that I'm

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expert on these facts and I may have

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misunderstood them. Expert. I may if I talk

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to a Jewish person,

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they will tell me, no, mate. You don't

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know your facts.

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And I don't know some. If I talk

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to some If you talk to a Zionist

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if I talk to some commentators, so I

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kind of immediately go, hey. You're full of

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I've got I've got to listen to everybody.

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If you They will tell me I don't

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know my facts. Terrorist and ask him to

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explain,

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their perspective on war, and then you you

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decide to believe their perspective.

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Are you justified in believing that? I'm gonna

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listen to this. This. About

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the conflict in Palestine, and then you decide

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to believe their perspective. I'll tell you how

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I'll tell you how I'm valid conversations. I

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wanna know how self consistent is somebody being,

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how ethical is they are they being, and

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how objective are they being. Okay? That's what

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I wanna know. And I know that I

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don't know enough facts about this to be

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totally sure. But my best bet is it's

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48, it's the Nakba, it's displacement,

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it's expansion of settlements against UN law and

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all of that stuff. I'm basically buying it,

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Tony. I'm basically buying into that narrative. Tony.

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Okay? Tony. Tony. Now, what you need to

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understand Tony. Don't don't. What you need to

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understand is

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this year, uniquely worldwide,

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half of the populations of the world are

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voting to reelect governments.

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Okay? 4,000,000,000 people, coincidentally, all get to reelect.

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America's not the only election. It's a good

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time in new ministry. Okay. Whatever it is.

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There's gonna be a to share. A potential

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massive seed change, and most of us are

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lame in our 4,000,000,000,

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and we can't be experts on all facts.

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We gotta make some decisions. So we've got

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a Occam's razor cut through a lot of

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the small print to the bigger picture. So

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if I make a basic assertion like what's

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happening in Gaza

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seems appalling, for about 4,000,000,000 people, that's the

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sentence I think they can gestate and work

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with. If I say you've got to read

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that book, that book, that book, know this

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fact, and you're an idiot because I know

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more than you, I'll alienate them, and I

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want them on board. So, I'm trying to

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use simple language and cut straight through, hopefully,

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to help the Palestinian people. I've been walking

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around with information against Ben Shapiro and that

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lot and Douglas Murray and whatever quite some

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time and no opportunity to quote it. Because

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the minute I open my mouth, people assume

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that I'm *ing Zionist for some reason and

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I'm not. However, I'm not so anti Israel

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that I can't see an argument for a

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2 state solution still. Okay? Now, you know

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where I stand. Yeah. Okay. Okay? So so

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so when you say 2 state solution,

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you want the Zionist

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you want the Zionist to have I don't

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like Zionism. I don't like Zionists. Guys they're

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Zionists.

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The Israeli government is Zionist. What do you

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mean? I don't hang on. I don't

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like Netanyahu. Netanyahu is clearly bad news. But

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you said the Israeli government. Israeli

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Israeli government

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and Israel the state of Israel is

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I'm not I'm not pro Zionist. The state

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of Israel. I'm not pro Zionist. I am

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pro 2 state. Is that what reason you

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say you want the Zionist to rule I

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didn't say that. In the middle of I

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didn't say that. You are against peace. I

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didn't say that. Okay. We're not talking about

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the Jewish people here by the way. Jewish

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people, we have no problem with the Jewish

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people. Okay. The Jewish people lived with the

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Muslims for over a 1000 years. Right. We

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protected. The Muslim civilization

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protected the Jewish people for over a 1000

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years. I've done podcasts.

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I've done a lot of stuff with this

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on through evidence. I have presented evidence

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where the Jewish rabbis, Jewish intellectuals,

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and leaders themselves testify to the fact that

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the Jews

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ex ex experienced the golden age under the

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rule of Islam, in Al Andalus in particular,

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in Spain, for from 900 to 1200 for

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3. So this is not a question about

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the Jewish people. No. No. This is a

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small group of extremist

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terrorists Sorry. And genocidal maniacs. We're talking about

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browsing. I made I made a simple assertion.

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People who have been thinking about genocide. I

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made a simple assertion. Yeah. I'm in favor

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of a 2 state solution. I think look

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at the chief Because I think can I

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which means can I finish? Because I think

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land of Palestine's Zionist. Because I think I

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think That's what he means. Right? Can I

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finish? Yeah. I've been on

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pro Palestinian marches for about 30 years. Okay?

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That's where my heart's been. When I've been

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on This I have a black wife. This

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is this is the slide. Okay. A kid

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just keeps slagging me the second I say

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anything with prejudice. Yeah. And your viewers can

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decide realistically, can I finish? Can I finish?

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You just said you want a state for

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the Zionist? I have been on You just

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said you want a state?

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I said I am saying. I've been on

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pro Palestinian march for 30 years. Do you

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want a state for the Zionist? Understanding

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during that was that we were marching for

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a 2 state solution Which is what? In

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accord with the explained it. In accord with

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the United Nations laws.

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Yeah. Because I would support those laws and

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their indictments of Israel for expansions of 70

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nations. So don't believe in those laws? Fine.

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They don't, and I disagree with them because

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I want you wanna state for them. I'm

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with the US. You wanna state for the

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Zionist. I think that the They are breaking

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all laws. They're not following any regulations,

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any resolutions. They don't care about they don't

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care about you and me. They don't, resolutions.

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They don't care about they don't care about

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you and me. They don't give Okay. To

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whom I do not about what the world

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thinks of them. I want it for this.

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Why thinks of them. I want it for

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the That's why they still send rockets to

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children. I'm not they are sending rockets to

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children. I am not saying I'm pro Zionist.

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You're adding

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that. You are. Watch the tape back. I

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say I want a 2 state solution. For

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who? You say I support Okay. Two states

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for who? Who? Jewish people and Palestinians. Is

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this not this is not our question about

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Israelis

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who give me your name Zionist. No. It's

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Zionist. Israelis. Zionist. Israelis. They are Zionists. They're

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not all Zionists. They're not Jewish. It's just

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okay. Now hang on. I can talk to

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someone like that. Excuse me. He is now

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an expert. Okay. Now He is now an

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expert. Okay. Now He is now an expert.

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Okay. Now He is now an expert. Okay.

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If Am I wrong? I was standing here

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today, ladies and gentlemen Am I wrong? Brothers

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and sisters. Thank you. I thank you. I'm

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right. I'm standing here today. And I buy

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Okay. That's all I'm saying. So I support

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the people in Israel who are anti Netanyahu.

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Guys. Is that clear? Well, they could say

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Why what what brothers, One second. I I

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I'm not gonna face you fine. Zionism. I

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mean, I want basically anti Zion. Wait. Wait.

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I'm I'm gonna do that for you. What

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wait.

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If I stood here today It's really hard

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to be on your side. Do you realize

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I'm basically on your team. Can you imagine

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what it's like You're not not our team

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No. I am. No. I am. Unless I

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think a one second You are part the

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problem. You're part of the problem. Okay. I'm

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not I'll tell you why. I'll tell you

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why. If I stood here today, and I

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said half of Iraq should be given back

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to ISIS

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and give Mosul as the capital,

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okay, give half of Syria to ISIS and

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the other half to the Iraqi people and

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the other half of Syria to Bashar al

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Assad.

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What would you think of me?

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And it's a 2 state solution, by the

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way. Yeah? To to establish peace, let's have

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peace in the Middle East. Give Isis a

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chunk. Give them a chunk. As mass murdering

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barbarians as they are, as extreme as they

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are, as genocidal maniacs as they are, as

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much as all these things they are, give

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them a chunk. What would you think of

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me? I'm I'm asking an honest

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question. Why is it that when people Right.

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That people that is so far disagree. Talk

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about why is it that when people like

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this talk about the Zionist

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owning territory in the middle I'm not pro

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Zionist. Because when there's a 2 state solution,

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they mean the Zionist There always was. Occupied

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land from There always was a proposed 2

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state solution with withdrawal care.

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Withdraw from the occupied settlements. Yes. Of 500

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Right of return. You give land to ISIS.

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I'm gonna disagree with that. I'm not gonna

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I'm not gonna propagate that. How many of

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these things do I

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have to agree with before you try trying

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to slander me? Okay. I agree with the

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right of return. I agree that the Nakba

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was wrong. I agree that what's happening with

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the idea is appalling. Agree

00:28:03--> 00:28:04

rule. Saying is when it You're also agreeing

00:28:04--> 00:28:06

the Zionists should

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rule.

00:28:07--> 00:28:08

Palestine.

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Right? I agree with 2 state I think

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2 state solution. Does that mean? 2 state

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solution means Practically, what does that mean? Some

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of the land is owned by what I'll

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call Israelis. No. Not Zion. Zionist? No. Israelis.

00:28:19--> 00:28:21

Zionist. There is no there is no such

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thing as Israelis. Okay. Are all This is

00:28:23--> 00:28:25

the Zionist state of Israel. Are you are

00:28:25--> 00:28:28

you claiming that all Israelis subscribe to Zionism?

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Is that your claim? That's the problem with

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the world. He's not reacting. The problem with

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the world is people think like this. I'm

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under the illusion that not all Israelis are

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Zionists. Without

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meaning. He's saying I believe in the 2

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state solution. Yeah. I'm asking him what does

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it actually mean practically. And I'm telling you

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What's the state? And I'm telling you, Palestine

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owns and is recognized in international law, which

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should have happened 70 years If another if

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another group of people happened 70 years ago

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according to the international law, which I support,

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the fact that Israel the the Palestinian law

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is wrong. The fact no. International law is

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correct. Palestinians should've If the the Palestinians should've

00:29:02--> 00:29:05

been given a state about 70 years ago

00:29:05--> 00:29:07

and they've been shot. Says to me give

00:29:07--> 00:29:09

land to access. Shall we do it? What?

00:29:09--> 00:29:12

Simple question. If the international community decides today,

00:29:12--> 00:29:15

if the United Nations decide today that we

00:29:15--> 00:29:17

should give half of Iraq to ISIS, would

00:29:17--> 00:29:18

you agree? Be an be give me an

00:29:18--> 00:29:20

honest question. Because I'm dis No. Right? Because

00:29:20--> 00:29:23

I it's like No. Is enough. No. Because

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What that proves either So what that what

00:29:25--> 00:29:26

that show what that shows is Is it

00:29:26--> 00:29:27

because is that because of the Zionist not

00:29:27--> 00:29:27

every Is it because of the Zionist is

00:29:27--> 00:29:27

it because of the Zionist not every Is

00:29:27--> 00:29:27

it because of the Zionist is it because

00:29:27--> 00:29:28

of Zionism is it because

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of Zionist

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are

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white? Everybody else. Because I'm just racist. You

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know that's me. I just come here and

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told you this because actually I'm just a

00:29:35--> 00:29:37

racist, bigger. I'm a stupid

00:29:37--> 00:29:40

simple minded guy who's totally against your position,

00:29:40--> 00:29:42

who's got no sympathy with Israel Palestine. It's

00:29:42--> 00:29:44

really obvious from everything I've said about the

00:29:44--> 00:29:46

Nakba burning bag. Tony Tony Tony. The right

00:29:46--> 00:29:48

next turn, I think I'm making sense. Land

00:29:48--> 00:29:50

to ISIS, but you would give land to

00:29:50--> 00:29:51

Zionists. People no. Because

00:29:52--> 00:29:54

Yes. You do. You would. Okay. You would

00:29:54--> 00:29:55

give land to Zionist. Let me be clear.

00:29:55--> 00:29:57

Yeah. Okay. Let me can I be clear?

00:29:57--> 00:29:59

Your argument predicates on the assumption,

00:30:00--> 00:30:01

which may or may not be true. Would

00:30:01--> 00:30:02

you argue for the return of the

00:30:03--> 00:30:06

Israelis are Zionists. Okay? If United Nations decides

00:30:06--> 00:30:08

give half of Germany to Nazis. Would you

00:30:08--> 00:30:09

agree? No.

00:30:09--> 00:30:12

Whatever I am in favor of the the

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I am in favor of the Palestinian

00:30:15--> 00:30:17

people having a recognized state, and I'm in

00:30:17--> 00:30:19

favor of what I will call the Israeli

00:30:19--> 00:30:22

people for now having a non Zionist recognized

00:30:22--> 00:30:24

state. Okay? Who are they? Who are they?

00:30:24--> 00:30:26

That that doesn't exist. Okay. That entity doesn't

00:30:26--> 00:30:28

exist. You're just making things up. No. No.

00:30:28--> 00:30:30

No. No. Okay. Great. There is no there

00:30:30--> 00:30:31

is no candidate

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in Palestine that is called non Zionist

00:30:35--> 00:30:38

Israeli Jews. They're all zines. Or independent Palestine.

00:30:38--> 00:30:39

Okay. It doesn't agree. Okay. Then you're right.

00:30:39--> 00:30:41

Then then we then maybe we can't agree.

00:30:41--> 00:30:42

So there's no hope in your eyes for

00:30:42--> 00:30:44

a 2 state solution because every Israeli is

00:30:44--> 00:30:47

inevitably a Zionist I must and all Zionists

00:30:47--> 00:30:48

are wrong. So we can only have a

00:30:48--> 00:30:50

one state solution. Tony. So now describe to

00:30:50--> 00:30:52

me how this one state solution works. Because

00:30:52--> 00:30:53

what I see is, if you take all

00:30:53--> 00:30:55

the Palestine maybe I'm stupid. If you take

00:30:55--> 00:30:57

all the Palestinian people right now and you

00:30:57--> 00:30:58

take all the Israeli people now and you

00:30:58--> 00:31:00

put them into one state, I've got a

00:31:00--> 00:31:03

crazy idea that whoever's got the majority there

00:31:03--> 00:31:06

will abuse the minority. Okay? Now, maybe that

00:31:06--> 00:31:08

means that you'll end up with That's a

00:31:08--> 00:31:09

lie. With more Islam. That's a lie. You

00:31:09--> 00:31:10

don't think there's Muslims?

00:31:11--> 00:31:12

Muslims

00:31:13--> 00:31:13

Muslim

00:31:15--> 00:31:15

Muslim

00:31:16--> 00:31:17

ruled Palestine

00:31:17--> 00:31:20

for over a 1000 years, and there were

00:31:20--> 00:31:23

Jewish people living, thriving Okay. Prospering and then

00:31:23--> 00:31:24

I'm not querying any of that. What I'm

00:31:24--> 00:31:26

what I said Go and watch my Playback

00:31:26--> 00:31:29

what I said. You need to watch my

00:31:29--> 00:31:31

vlog Play back what I said. Jab on

00:31:31--> 00:31:33

this topic. Okay. Play back what I said.

00:31:33--> 00:31:34

What I said was,

00:31:34--> 00:31:37

whoever ends up being the majority will abuse

00:31:37--> 00:31:40

that minority. Now, you're saying That's wrong. He's

00:31:40--> 00:31:42

half wait wait. No. You guys are not

00:31:42--> 00:31:43

diligent in your thinking. This is wrong. He

00:31:43--> 00:31:46

half answers it. You know? Play it back

00:31:46--> 00:31:47

and listen. He is not listening to the

00:31:47--> 00:31:50

question. He half slimy as to the point.

00:31:50--> 00:31:52

No. I'm just logical. Slimy. He half answered

00:31:52--> 00:31:54

it. Very, very slimy. He half answered it.

00:31:54--> 00:31:57

What he answers was, Tony. If what he

00:31:57--> 00:31:59

answered was. Tony. If the Muslims are the

00:31:59--> 00:32:01

majority, they won't abuse the Jews. Right. Let's

00:32:01--> 00:32:03

assume I accept that. But No. No. No.

00:32:03--> 00:32:04

Yeah, I put it to you that if

00:32:04--> 00:32:07

the Jew majority. They would have been too.

00:32:07--> 00:32:09

Do you disagree? Evidence that You disagree with

00:32:09--> 00:32:11

that? He didn't even hear what I said.

00:32:11--> 00:32:12

Okay. Is that far gone? What did I

00:32:12--> 00:32:14

say? Okay. I'm of the opinion story. That

00:32:14--> 00:32:16

if you end up in a state with

00:32:16--> 00:32:18

the majority is Jewish,

00:32:19--> 00:32:21

government in one state that they will likely

00:32:21--> 00:32:24

end up abusing you. I think that's true.

00:32:24--> 00:32:26

I think you think that's true. No. You

00:32:26--> 00:32:27

should oh, you think they'll treat you well?

00:32:27--> 00:32:29

You think they'll treat you well? You're not

00:32:29--> 00:32:31

making sense. Okay. Fine. And and the more

00:32:31--> 00:32:33

you're talking, the more you're making a mockery

00:32:33--> 00:32:35

of yourself. You don't you don't think you

00:32:35--> 00:32:36

can say it's a mockery of the house

00:32:36--> 00:32:38

cover. No. You're not con No. I think

00:32:38--> 00:32:39

they'll treat you right. Supposed to be an

00:32:39--> 00:32:42

expert on ethics and consistency. What what was

00:32:42--> 00:32:45

that called? Your your field? Consistency. Consistency. Being

00:32:45--> 00:32:47

I'm being consistent. Ethically I think it's consistent

00:32:47--> 00:32:49

to think that if 2 groups of people

00:32:49--> 00:32:51

hate each other as much as these 2

00:32:51--> 00:32:53

groups hate one other right now, if tomorrow

00:32:53--> 00:32:55

I put all those people in the same

00:32:55--> 00:32:57

place Why don't you and you end up

00:32:57--> 00:32:59

with an Israeli majority argue I think the

00:32:59--> 00:33:01

Arabs will get a bad time. But maybe

00:33:01--> 00:33:03

I'm wrong. ISIS and Nazis. Why don't you

00:33:03--> 00:33:05

argue the same for ISIS and there are

00:33:05--> 00:33:08

neo Nazis in Germany. There are neo Nazis

00:33:08--> 00:33:10

who want the revival of Nazis. Okay. You

00:33:10--> 00:33:12

know what? There are neo Nazis in Britain.

00:33:12--> 00:33:14

There are neo Nazis in Poland. That's right.

00:33:14--> 00:33:16

There are neo Nazis all over Europe. Okay.

00:33:16--> 00:33:18

They want the revival of the fascist

00:33:18--> 00:33:21

Nazi Fine. And and if they manage to

00:33:21--> 00:33:22

take some land,

00:33:23--> 00:33:25

people like this would argue, oh, leave this

00:33:25--> 00:33:27

land with them. They are Nazis. So you

00:33:27--> 00:33:29

want what you want a one state solution?

00:33:29--> 00:33:30

They are they are holocausting

00:33:31--> 00:33:32

Okay. Explain to me the merits of a

00:33:32--> 00:33:35

one state solution. So sorry? I said we

00:33:35--> 00:33:36

want I said that we should keep our

00:33:36--> 00:33:38

eyes on the ball with the solution. Explain

00:33:38--> 00:33:39

to me the merits. I think I'll I'll

00:33:39--> 00:33:41

What do you want? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

00:33:41--> 00:33:42

Wait. Hang on. The merits of a 2

00:33:42--> 00:33:45

state solution is you don't immediately kill each

00:33:45--> 00:33:46

other. That's what I think might be an

00:33:46--> 00:33:48

advantage. Because right now, the 2 states hate

00:33:48--> 00:33:50

each other. I think that's feasible. Now what's

00:33:50--> 00:33:52

the advantage of a one state solution? Same

00:33:52--> 00:33:55

logic. What? Same logic applies that you wanna

00:33:55--> 00:33:55

give

00:33:56--> 00:33:59

a piece of land in Palestine Uh-huh. To

00:33:59--> 00:34:00

the Zionist,

00:34:01--> 00:34:01

a genocidal,

00:34:02--> 00:34:03

apartheid,

00:34:03--> 00:34:04

racist,

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mass murdering entity. You are arguing. When you

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say 2 state solution, you when you when

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you say 2 state solution Uh-huh. You are

00:34:13--> 00:34:14

arguing for

00:34:14--> 00:34:16

the land of Palestine, a Palestine, a big

00:34:16--> 00:34:18

chunk of it Yeah. To be given to

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an entity

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that has blood of millions of people on

00:34:22--> 00:34:23

its hands. I buy the blood I buy

00:34:23--> 00:34:25

the blood thing. I'm not arguing with the

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blood thing. So you will give the land

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to them. Let me explain why. And that's

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it. Let me explain why. Our discussion is

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Let me explain why. Here's things. If any

00:34:31--> 00:34:32

of you are interested in why I think

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that might be, there's an argument for this.

00:34:35--> 00:34:36

Okay? I don't think it's for any of

00:34:36--> 00:34:38

the reasons that most of the Jews give

00:34:38--> 00:34:40

you, the Israelis give you. We're not discussing

00:34:40--> 00:34:41

the Jewish people. If I can talk for

00:34:41--> 00:34:43

a minute. We're not discussing I am discussing

00:34:44--> 00:34:45

as well. Question about the Jewish people. Okay.

00:34:45--> 00:34:48

I'm telling you I am telling you my

00:34:48--> 00:34:50

logic for this. Okay? If you let me

00:34:50--> 00:34:51

express it. Secular, extremist,

00:34:52--> 00:34:54

atheistic, godless entity. You can hear the guy

00:34:54--> 00:34:56

interrupt like crazy. I'm giving you my reason

00:34:56--> 00:34:57

why I think this is the case. Yeah.

00:34:57--> 00:34:58

If it was 1948

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and someone asked me, should the Israelis be

00:35:01--> 00:35:03

given that land? If I was in charge,

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I would say no. They need a land,

00:35:05--> 00:35:07

but not there. Okay? But the British Okay.

00:35:07--> 00:35:09

Okay. And the British I'm not the British.

00:35:09--> 00:35:11

I'm just arguing for my You are British.

00:35:11--> 00:35:13

British. Okay? I'm not Are we? Okay. I'm

00:35:13--> 00:35:15

not responsible for decisions of people made who

00:35:15--> 00:35:17

are not me. We all have bloodlines. Okay?

00:35:17--> 00:35:19

So if it were 1948,

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I would go no. And I believe Marshall

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said this to Truman. Marshall said to Truman,

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if you give the Israelis this set of

00:35:25--> 00:35:26

land, it's gonna create a whole lot of

00:35:26--> 00:35:28

trouble forever. I'm not gonna solve my history

00:35:28--> 00:35:30

and I know a bit. I know a

00:35:30--> 00:35:30

bit.

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Okay? Because I try to be modest. I

00:35:33--> 00:35:34

do some research. But history is coming up.

00:35:34--> 00:35:35

I do some research.

00:35:35--> 00:35:37

I watch So you're not that simple, are

00:35:37--> 00:35:38

you? Yeah. Hang on. Hold on. You're not

00:35:38--> 00:35:40

that simple. No. But I'm not as much

00:35:40--> 00:35:42

of an expert as a bunch of people.

00:35:42--> 00:35:43

You might like, I think this is done.

00:35:43--> 00:35:44

Hello? If you put me next to Hazel's

00:35:44--> 00:35:46

dad, you know who will be up. PhD

00:35:46--> 00:35:48

doctor Okay. On the geopolitics So I'm just

00:35:48--> 00:35:50

trying the history of Palestine. No. I'm just

00:35:50--> 00:35:51

trying to be honest and a little bit

00:35:51--> 00:35:53

humble about the potential limitations of my knowledge.

00:35:53--> 00:35:55

But this is what it's actually drowning you.

00:35:55--> 00:35:57

Maybe. Okay. Well, I prefer to be have

00:35:57--> 00:35:59

too much humility than too much hubris. Okay?

00:35:59--> 00:36:02

Yeah. So, anyway, if it was 48, given

00:36:02--> 00:36:04

my limited understanding, I would go maybe we

00:36:04--> 00:36:05

we shouldn't have a state of Israel here,

00:36:05--> 00:36:07

but they need 1. Holocaust have been picked

00:36:07--> 00:36:09

on too much. They need somewhere safe. $40.

00:36:09--> 00:36:11

And the Internet, I know. I'm not. So

00:36:11--> 00:36:13

just not there. That's the worst place to

00:36:13--> 00:36:14

go. Okay?

00:36:14--> 00:36:16

Now my logic and you won't hear this

00:36:16--> 00:36:18

from many people. Yeah. My logic for why

00:36:18--> 00:36:20

maybe there should be 2 states now is

00:36:20--> 00:36:23

not for the usual reasons you'll hear from

00:36:23--> 00:36:24

Israelis, which are usually

00:36:25--> 00:36:26

number 1, God gave us the land. And

00:36:26--> 00:36:28

my answer is I don't give a *

00:36:28--> 00:36:29

about the magic man in the sky. This

00:36:29--> 00:36:31

is a secular real estate problem. We can't

00:36:31--> 00:36:34

do international politics based on any people going,

00:36:34--> 00:36:35

our God gave us it. So that can

00:36:35--> 00:36:38

go. The second argument you'll hear the muse

00:36:38--> 00:36:41

that can also go is 3000 years ago

00:36:41--> 00:36:43

blah blah blah blah. And again, I'm just

00:36:43--> 00:36:45

not interested because we can't do international politics

00:36:45--> 00:36:47

based on * that happened 3000 years ago.

00:36:47--> 00:36:49

Because if we did, we'd have to give

00:36:49--> 00:36:51

America back to the Indians, we'd have to

00:36:51--> 00:36:53

give Britain back to the Celts, We'd have

00:36:53--> 00:36:55

to give Australia back to the Aborigines.

00:36:55--> 00:36:56

Okay. There'd be a whole lot of it's

00:36:56--> 00:36:58

not reasonable. We need to address Why is

00:36:58--> 00:36:59

that not reasonable? Well, maybe it is. But

00:36:59--> 00:37:00

if if people

00:37:01--> 00:37:02

Okay. Hang on. You may have a point.

00:37:02--> 00:37:04

Maybe You're talking like a colonial officer now.

00:37:04--> 00:37:05

Okay. Maybe I'm wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I'm

00:37:05--> 00:37:07

talking like a colonial

00:37:07--> 00:37:09

settler. So I'll backtrack. Took the land from

00:37:09--> 00:37:11

the native Adnan has a good point. Yeah.

00:37:11--> 00:37:13

All I my only claim is to be

00:37:13--> 00:37:16

consistent. Maybe we should give it back. Back.

00:37:16--> 00:37:18

All we've gotta do is be consistent. Okay?

00:37:18--> 00:37:21

So in the interest of consistency in international

00:37:21--> 00:37:22

law, we need statutes limitations.

00:37:23--> 00:37:24

The third thing that you'll hear them argue

00:37:24--> 00:37:27

is, well, when we got the land, we

00:37:27--> 00:37:29

cultivated it in a way the Arabs didn't.

00:37:29--> 00:37:31

And that's a bull* argument because that's like

00:37:31--> 00:37:32

me saying, well,

00:37:32--> 00:37:34

if I go and buy a car and

00:37:34--> 00:37:35

then I don't wash it properly and you

00:37:35--> 00:37:37

come by and nick it and then you

00:37:37--> 00:37:38

go, mate, I've got a butler who cleans

00:37:38--> 00:37:40

my car, cleans your car better.

00:37:41--> 00:37:42

That's not the deal. When I Tony, cut

00:37:42--> 00:37:43

the cut the cut the cut the cut.

00:37:43--> 00:37:45

What is I hey, I'm giving good arguments

00:37:45--> 00:37:47

you should use against them because you guys

00:37:47--> 00:37:49

spend too much time micro managers for arguing.

00:37:49--> 00:37:51

Against them. Great. I'd use these 3 arguments.

00:37:51--> 00:37:53

I'm using history. Can I finish? They they

00:37:53--> 00:37:55

are occupiers. Okay. Can I finish?

00:37:56--> 00:37:57

So when you're debating them, just cut through

00:37:57--> 00:37:59

the *. Don't give me the God's *.

00:37:59--> 00:38:01

Don't give me the 3000 year *. Don't

00:38:01--> 00:38:02

give me the stuff about the red car

00:38:02--> 00:38:04

that I look after better because that's not

00:38:04--> 00:38:06

how private property works. If I buy a

00:38:06--> 00:38:07

car, it's up to me if I wanna

00:38:07--> 00:38:08

clean it. You don't get to steal it

00:38:08--> 00:38:10

just because you look after it. Hard man.

00:38:10--> 00:38:12

So now, the reason I do think they

00:38:12--> 00:38:14

have a claim, I prepped you on how

00:38:14--> 00:38:15

I got here. They have a claim for

00:38:15--> 00:38:17

what? To be there now. Just the first

00:38:17--> 00:38:19

question. Forget I'm not using the word Zionist.

00:38:19--> 00:38:21

These Israelis. Because we're dealing with Zionist. Okay.

00:38:21--> 00:38:22

You say we are. I say we're not.

00:38:22--> 00:38:23

That's what we're dealing with. I'm using

00:38:24--> 00:38:25

30. We're not dealing with. I won't let

00:38:25--> 00:38:28

me finish. We're not dealing with people. You

00:38:28--> 00:38:29

wanna know my logic. I'm telling you. Yeah.

00:38:29--> 00:38:30

In 1948,

00:38:30--> 00:38:32

should they have the land? I think no.

00:38:32--> 00:38:34

It's just conflict and stupidity. That's game over.

00:38:34--> 00:38:35

Can I fit can I Did you give

00:38:35--> 00:38:38

the land back? Can I finish? Okay, guys.

00:38:38--> 00:38:41

However, if I think a human being has

00:38:41--> 00:38:43

lived in a place for the whole of

00:38:43--> 00:38:44

their life and they didn't choose to get

00:38:44--> 00:38:47

born there, at that point, they have a

00:38:47--> 00:38:49

potential ethical claim to that

00:38:50--> 00:38:51

land. That is a statute limitation we should

00:38:51--> 00:38:54

use. I'm happy to, but you this is

00:38:54--> 00:38:56

like this hold it. For the same reason

00:38:56--> 00:38:56

the Palestinians

00:38:57--> 00:38:59

should get the land back that they were

00:38:59--> 00:39:01

kicked out of in the Nakba because they

00:39:01--> 00:39:04

were born there. For that same reason And

00:39:04--> 00:39:06

the world's biggest oxymoron. Oxymoron. I got a

00:39:06--> 00:39:08

Jewish state without their Zionism.

00:39:08--> 00:39:10

that? Get in the book. I tried.

00:39:08--> 00:39:10

that? Get in the book. I tried.