Adnan Rashid With Atheist – Part 1

The verse in chapter four, verse, verse nine,

verse, verse, verse 19.

A lot of the things that's amazing what happens nowadays. You know, it is very unfair to bring ISIS into every discussion on Islam, I think only came about

less than that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean,

what do you have to say?

To send them to hell? I'm saying, What do you have to say? About 1000 years of Islamic civilization? Islamic libraries, hospitals, universities, coexistence, peace, justice, protection for Jews and Christians? What do you have to say about that the Ottomans, then then the oma years in Spain, and then

when was that?

You ignored five cities.

You're being very selective.

I am saying look at Waterman history. Yeah. From here. 1299. From the time of man the first year to 1924. Yeah. And amazingly, have you studied? Have you studied the Armenian Genocide? Have you studied it now?

Who was responsible for Armenian Genocide? I suppose the Armenians I know

that Turkish Turkish government, yeah. And who were the young turks? Yeah. You know, Young Turks were.

Okay, this is your homework, go and study, go and study and see who Young Turks were, whether they

actually Ottomans or not, because when did that? When did when did the genocide take place?

Okay, during the First World War, yeah. Okay. And this was amazingly, Bernard Lewis, who is considered to be an authority on Ottoman history. Bernard Lewis, actually has come out and he Jewish, by the way, and it's very close to Israel. That says a lot, by the way, and he is of the opinion that the, the Turkish Government, there is a distinction between Turkish government and Ottoman government has already gone. Ottomans have gone by the 1900 entrepreneurs have finished. Okay, you don't have Ottomans.

Because Ottomans had plenty ample opportunities to massacre the population of lands they conquered. did they do it?

The fact that the fact that you mentioned Armenians, yeah, you obviously have no other governments to get it yet.

But what I'm trying to do

is I'm just saying that, look, Young Turks are a bunch of secular activists, who effectively got rich over

Young Turks, bunch of secularists, activists, who effectively removed the Ottoman Caliphate from its place. If anything, Ottomans were the victims, the aggressor. If any of the blame goes to the Turkish Government, it goes to them. But Bernard Lewis, even dispute that he goes, it was not the government policy. It were the people, the Turkish people in the countryside who started to attack the Armenians because the Armenians are siding with Russia. Armenians are siding with Russia. So that's why Armenians are treated that way, which is wrong, which is not Islamic policy. Islam does not under any circumstances allow indiscriminate killing, even in war, even in war. The Prophet

Muhammad and his teachings are very, very clear that even in war, do not cut trees. Do not capture beehives. Do not kill animals, unless you're going to consume the food. Do not destroy buildings, do not demolish churches and monasteries, okay, do not kill women do not kill children do not kill the elderly Do not kill monks and priests who are who are living in the monasteries.

And then it goes on. And all of this comes from the Prophet, if we have clear cut, if we have clear cut teachings of the Prophet, peace be upon him. Why do we need to bring ISIS up every time we talk about Islam? Obviously, they

Believe that is following the tradition.

How did the KKK started the communist communist believe there are atheists? Right? And they are doing it for atheism? Right. communism is an ideology.

ideology right or wrong.

ideology.

sexism, they're all ideologies and ideologies. They seem to be

going in one direction, or the extremist

ideology. Oh, yeah. We decide, Okay, fair enough.

So the point is Islam has

based upon what you are

based upon what

most of the Islamic.

Iranian, what do you what do you what do you what do you believe? What is magnificent?

I don't think Islamic history is magnificent. What do you what do you think? magnificent?

Great, great, great economically, morally, ethically, politically, militarily, Islam was great.

Do you disagree? In terms of charitably, if that's the word? charitably if that's a word charitably. Yes. In terms of the

Islamic academia.

Guys, what do you

guys what I personally

do Okay, okay. Okay.

Wait, wait. Wait.

University? Yes. Wait, wait. Wait. Rumi.

Muslim achievement. Raymond, okay. And he went, Oh,

wait, wait, wait, don't add a big civilizational Islamic Spain with old Persian.

Do you know about about the translation, and the word is written in Spain. It translated exactly the

words written in Spain original words written in Spain, on science, philosophy, history, you name it. But poetry, every single academic

is making a claim. Now. Some people just like to

just mark in the top things that you

did. Egyptians did.

You want to ask me that question. What is unique about Islam?

Islam, Islam, in the words of Karen Armstrong, yeah, one person? Yeah.

I can

carry on I'm sure you can just add one.

Now, so you don't want 20 names.

That's why I mentioned one person's

opinion.

The House of Islam knowledge.

Then he'll come across and say likewise, login name, as many as you do, who can't write your argument or carry on?

And who are you you might be

your professor

or your professor of history.

Continue?

ad hominem.

But when you make a point, and it's not based in evidence, or, or sources that it's just like, cameras fart. I'm sorry. Yes.

language.

My family's from from Punjab.

When camelphat It's neither.

It's neither in the sky, nor on the earth. Because it's in the middle.

So when you when you make a claim, like common thoughts, yeah, yeah. It's just a common spot. Right. So, so unless you bring evidence, right.

So my point is, Islamic civilization wasn't only Persian, you're wrong. You're wrong.

Even even, let's say even less than 99% of the budget. Let's say that's it. Who are the Muslims or non Muslims?

Why was the why was

why was assassinated not able to produce people like him and see now people are

able to do so why work? Why did they have to be Muslims and then suddenly wake up? And lo and behold, you see virgins coming out with poetry, science literature.

It was written it was compiled by voters but don't see 1000 years ago

with the

written word

we're

in the court of

history. Do you know what happened?

You didn't know where it was written. He wrote, because he wanted to compile social history.

history, history.

History.

Moron when you say legendary history,

you can't say was history because that was legend.

It's either legend.

Have you read

all of it? Okay. So give me one example. One story. whose story Have you read?

Have a rich story. Have you read it? You read the show.

Exactly.

The point of view, we understand that the gentleman is just throwing things in the middle without any substance.

We'll move on.

Civilization does not begin in 2011. When ISIS comes, okay, Islamic civilization started in the sixth century, with the advent of the Prophet and Baccarat

was revealed that did something to the Arabs. Yeah, they came out and they created the Islamic civilization.

I mean, the way I look at it,

when they became Muslim,

they became Muslim.

Because they they actually explained why they believe in this plan.

Have you read? Have you read? First of all, to be believing in some other form of demigod or whatever?

idol worship or whatever the

point of time because they were all?

Not all.

I mean, if it was very simple for them to stay, believing some ideas of God.

Why did the fight?

Why did this? Why did they try to kill him for 20 years? Because he was upset in

the matter of believing in one or the other?

and everything.

But why would they come out of Mecca to attack Medina

because they saw him to see him as a threat.

He was politically insignificant. We were so weak that

I'm not historian but when you face when you face the new face,

not only our religious

and existential existential

example, if I was to try it

Now if someone else

would you, okay? If you just if you didn't have fun, believe it. Sorry.

If you believe in something

if you don't have a firm belief in something, you just change

one bicycle to another

and die for the tribal leader. That's what they used to do at the time. Right?

They will simply go out and fight the Roman the pleasure just because they love the tribal leader

of depression. You know, the American army? Yeah, yeah. Those who've been to Iraq. You know, the suicide rate. Yeah. Okay. So why why Mohammed's company is not committing suicide.

You know why these people are committing suicide because they don't know why they're, they don't know why they have to kill children and women and bombed civilian areas. They don't know. But Muhammad's companions did did no such thing. They were they believed that they were fighting for justice. And they established peace and justice in the land. They were so happy. That's why they kept going as far as southern France and northern China and down India. Okay, within within

it 630 to 732 32 exactly a

barbecue.

Just one incident.

People in

principle, they could not go and cause indiscriminate destruction. Amazingly amazing.

archaeology

highlights the point that Muslims when the two cities that flourished, started, City of giraffes, for example, Europe, in Jordan, okay, it was a Greek city, then it became a Roman settlements, and then it became a Christian settlement. And then the Muslim Ummah is established the center and garage.

Geologists have studied that in the Muslim period, the economy of the city, boom, it exploded, you know, people became very prosperous. And this is we're talking about Jews and Christians, and Muslims. And Muslims were the minority. By the way, Muslims are the minority ruling class, they were only ruling and the masses were Christians, mostly right. And they became prosperous after Muslims

saw the claims of devastation you hear from islamophobes, or Islam pages, such as Robert Spencer, and people like that, who's teaching the American military? Amazingly, these are all lies, is all lies. So the bottom line is, when you study history, objectively, you come to realize that there is a lot, a lot of people don't understand. Yeah, you know, there's a lot a lot of people don't understand, I'm sure.

We'll be looking at it

depends what you want. Do you want objectivity or you want a contribution?

Thank you. For that you both study academics, what academics?

We do not see any signs of devastation in archaeology. in archaeology, we do not find them

in the Middle East, and in

Central Asia,

Central Asia, because I'll tell you why I know this is one of my teachers from from School of Oriental and African Studies,

is Hugh Kennedy. And he has conducted archaeological work in Central Asia. And one of his students she, her name is funny besides cheese, French, a French archaeologist. She did archaeology, Josh,

both concluded that after the Muslims to

flourish economically,

and people prosper, and they can tell from a different side

of assessing

and how buildings are constructed, and how people live the food from even from the food control, whether they were happy or not the quality of the food, yes, archaeologists that conduct very delicate work and then come up with these conclusions.

archaeology is in favor of Islam by the way