Abdur-Raheem McCarthy – Secrets of Dr. Zakir Naik’s Success

Abdur-Raheem McCarthy
AI: Summary © The speakers discuss the importance of praying for the Prophet and embracing his teachings in order to achieve prosperity. They emphasize the need for people to pray for their health and prosperity, specifically mentioning the success of their recent outreach efforts. They also stress the importance of praying for their peers and facing challenges in public life.
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Bismillah R Rahman Rahim Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah very honored today to have the sheikh or brother Dr. Zakir Naik here with us in the studio hamdulillah and Hamdulillah you know, when I started my Tao in 2008 and then 2009 My first international experience was in Canada and then with you guys in Peace TV at Hamdulillah. So, a long time from then. So Hamdulillah you know, a very special place in my heart when I started my dad with him that we you know, benefited from you throughout the years. So when he had it we're here together and caught on I want to be able to benefit and this podcast that kind of came about not really planned but it had all to do out to came

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from outside when we did it. The first one was actually from your students from cinnamon from Japan, Mashallah. I want to know how to give Tao in Japan because I know that there's different styles of giving Dawa so we started with him and then you know, without them dilla and now we're benefiting any having you at hamdulillah here and we have several questions and the first question I want to ask which everyone's gonna ask, you know, know what is your situation now people want to know, you know, everybody's making dua for you, they're concerned. What is your current situation? Um, that will sell out to a salon bla bla bla bla Yes, I've always been a MOBA.

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I was a bit Lamanna. She's not really Bismillah R Rahman very rubbish at the Westin Lea Marie will didn't leave funny.

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I will tell the viewers with some greetings, Salam o Allah commented by Catherine

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regarding my situation, the most of us know most of the viewers will be knowing that in the year 2016, because of my dad activities in worldwide, especially in India, where I lived

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the new Indian government that came to power that the BJP government and and the Prime Minister Modi he was appointed the prime minister in 2014. And two years after that, you know that

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to get more word bank, there was Islamophobia. And an attack on Islam and Muslims was very evident. And that was one of the first target

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when there was a

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major bomb blast in Dhaka in Bangladesh. Amongst the few terrorist one was a fan on my Facebook. And the darker newspaper said that one of the fans of Dr. Zakir Naik on the fifth book he did the bomb blast. And then in order to get from the inside in Dr. Zakir Naik inspired and the Malaysian newspaper characters that we never said Dr. Zack Anakim spared but one of his fans did it. So because of that I had to do Hijra in the 2016. And among the various countries that were available, I felt that Malaysia was one of the best available Muslim countries to do each other and handle and to the other. 60 Mashallah Deidre from from India to to Malaysia, I was already outside the country

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when the issue started, and I decided to go to Malaysia and Hamdulillah

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I never thought, in my dreams, I knew that I would have problems in India, regarding Dawa, I've prepared for that, but never thought in my dreams, that they would lay an allegation of terrorism

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against me because I've I've given talks to various of the police all over the world, including in India, in the International Academy of the police, you know,

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about fighting counterterrorism. Yeah, I've seen many of the lectures very, very clear. I couldn't I couldn't be clearer. So if I know you're in talks against details, it's all good. Delia that allegation and what Hamdulillah that is the story. So then we did Hijra and hamdulillah Allah has been very kind, that after we did hijra, we left our home country, our home city, Allah increase by Dawa

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we always planned, you know, we, we had consultants from McKinsey, my team, you know, the one of the best consultant company.

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And when we were thinking about what piste wind activity, you know, we were thinking that how we should let the activities continue tomorrow, if I'm not the worst should happen. So we were planning that house should have a person in the administration person some effect of the day. So we planned everything that what will happen after a day, how should the activity continue? And as people know that we are more than mashallah 500 paid employees in the Mumbai office am Shanna, and additional many parts of the world.

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But we never planned that what would happen when everyone would be there, and I'm not there.

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So the government have banned the organization and it was a different situation. We never thought of it that everyone would be there. And I'm not there. So you had a plan B, but you didn't have a plan C? Yes. So the thing was that and when we went to Malaysia and no one is there. So if your plan there would have been I would not be there in Bombay, how would it continue, but the organization was banned. So I wasn't available for Java and everyone else could not do so we never planned that when I would continue and no one else would be with me what to do. But, but the main point before

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God that Allah is the person who's the most important. So no one is ever Allah was there. So when we read Euro, we had no stuff without any stuff he continued in Malaysia but Allah support was there. Therefore I always say that Allah says in the Quran for him run chapter three verse 160 If Allah helps you then tinaroo Then then can work up Eufaula for six you who will then who can help you. So McKinsey never planned that if no one is then I'm continuing what will happen? So hamdulillah the Dawa increased our style increase of course in India we are mainly focusing on comparative religion and giving logical answers to the non Muslims when we hit it I started my

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weekly question answer session initially twice a week then maybe once a week and then my son came then he's doing once a week every once a week. So there we are a different thing which he wanted to ninja which could not live Krishna session because of my busy schedule. And we need to be difficult in Bombay to do it for from Malaysia with the atmosphere much more better. Much more harmonious. We started the life questionnaire fishing wish to Tao on a different level. Because normally when we have questions session public, it I mean, it's a plant. Anyone can ask any question, and we have to answer it. Yeah, and many questions were repetitive. In this when we started the live question

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answer session

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we used to receive 20,000 questions a week a lot. And my team used to read about 5000 out of it they have to pass on 100 To me, I have to answer 15 to 20 every so now we created a new data bank in the past two years you know what there's holes in the question mashallah we answered so this was a new a new thing which we felt would be an asset to the our soda increased the Facebook falling which was 14 million our the dish 23 million mashallah, By Allah's grace, the YouTube which was only funded for them well, you never consented on the social media. I was considering on piece TV. Exactly. So which was only 400,000 youtube 93 point 3 million in a span of couple of years, Michelle, the

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Facebook from 14 million went to 23 million Mashallah. So, I felt that without the staff, but Allah has helped continued the Dow activity increased and the Reach increased and and now, before we used to travel, they have to be people you know, always you know, wanting to meet and Akina is here, but now the reach is much more people looking at them multiple time more than what it was in 2016. So I believe in short hamdulillah if we have to pinpoint we can take out maybe a million problems, what will happen, I will leave my home I to live on my property. My property has taken maybe 100 million riyals worth of everything taken by the government. But it was a blessing in disguise. And I used to

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pray in my tahajjud every day that the Allah subhanaw taala let my life and my wealth be sacrificed for the cause of Allah. So when will Hijra Allah heard half of my dua that my village was taken away

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and I'm waiting for the second half to be fulfilled that may my life be sacrificed for the cosmonaut. So in short, mashallah Dawa increased and, and our focus which was mainly on comparative, now, it's already available on the YouTube on the social media, the video on the Peace TV. Now, we are concentrating on other aspects on how to reply logically to the non Muslims, to the Muslims, to the Shabbat that I raised on the social media, so we can pick the questions and reply to the question which have unanswered before and secondly, being in the political field, we meet more heads of states now than what we had before and handle so we are contributing in some way to the growth

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Islamically we'll get this do I actually, that was the second question I had wrote down when during our dinner last night and you had mentioned that this dua, I find that very powerful, you know that you made this dua that and how many people will do that you know, when they make dua that Allah will take my life and my wealth and the path of Allah subhanho wa Taala and you mentioned you know, that half have been taken May Allah subhanaw taala grant us all any

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time inshallah a good ending inshallah pleasing to Him, does that go okay? And so I have a something you know, here that I'm benefiting from when I hear this, the fact that you know, something happens it happens for hikma for a reason I was we know that so maybe if you were you know, still in India, you focus more on PSTV whereas maybe the impact of social media now is more prevalent than you you wouldn't have focused on social media maybe So now Allah subhanaw taala who said you have all of that you don't PCB you have that you know, protect it, it's still out there. It's beneficial. We'll talk a little bit later while he died, we can find that inshallah but now, the social media have on

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top of that, so you have Khurana wham. Koala. Well, okay, well, Mercury Hamdulillah. So they plan in a lot of plans and Allah is the best.

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And one question I always like to ask when I when I sit with the brothers who they know the pioneers of the Dawa

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is you know, different mistakes that they believe they made in the Dow that if they could go back and do it again, they would

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No do like that. So it would have been better than our and I always say that even I tell like the youth when when I was in my Janelia very bad yeah Hillier, but one of the reason I didn't get in more trouble than I did is because the elders, I would benefit from their mistakes I would make the same mistakes. So I remember when I visited Denny Shakur Saini, some time back in,

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in Malaysia asked him, you know, both mistakes I made in doubt, you know, and, and that was actually the whole topic that we talked about. So my YouTube channel, so if you were to think, you know, there are some mistakes or unnecessary mistakes, but things you could have done better than differently, so we can benefit ourselves. And so the youth when they're coming up, they say, okay, look, Dr. Ken, he reached this into our, but he said, If I did like this, it would have been better so they don't fall into the same stuff as they're coming up in general Tanner. The only question that is then a mistake I did.

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In in my journey towards our and what if I was given the choice to do the two different things as far as mistakes are concerned?

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I don't think so. There's any mistake or I don't think so I want to go back in life and rectify and anything we will Allah is the best of plan. I mean, she in life, seeing the life that wasn't how we however, went from a doctor for body doctor, so I changed my profession for medical doctor today. Of course, I wouldn't want the same for my son. But is it a mistake? I said, No, it's not a mistake.

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Because if you ask me that would would you want my son to do the same? What I did? I said no, I wouldn't want him to become a doctor. Yes, we chose to become a doctor. At that time, I thought that doctor is the best proficient trying to treat the patient and people you know, it will be a best service to humanity. But whenever inspired by Sheikh Emma did that who's the person who changed me from a doctor of Bordeaux to soul and when I learned from the Quran from serie facilita portfolioof mentality where Allah says the man asked him to call me Montoya live

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well I'm gonna follow that that who's bidding speed the nonrenewal actually we are the Lord works I say this and say that.

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So yeah, we realize that the best proficient mentioned in the Quran, Allah subhanaw taala day, and there's no better proficient Allah, Allah at that time, or near was the best Proficient, which we thought were the look, it's a good professional, nothing better day. So at that time, I feel maybe Allah has his own plan.

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But if you ask me that I have to become a doctor. It's not required at all.

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Yes, so many people come and tell me that you know that, you know, I would like my son to follow a footstep, I want to make him a doctor first. And then a die. So more people will listen to him. I said, there's a big fallacy, a misconception that people think that people are just simply because I was a medical doctor.

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At a lower level, it is true. If a lay man is giving a lecture or if a doctor you will lecture, then people would listen more to a doctor, if a lay man is giving a lecture, maybe 10 People would come if a medical doctor, they give a lecture, maybe 25 would come at a lower level. I do agree it carries a benefit. But when you reach a level higher level, it doesn't make a difference at all, whether the person has a degree or not. Whether you're the doctor or not. The best example is check mot that check Emma D that was he had only graduated standard six. Can you believe he's only six standard pass metric? A lot of no not even finished high school, not even school. He was in high

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school. Only a person who passed a sixth standard. He's challenging the stalwarts of Christianity, you know, like, do we forget? And the other people, it's the last plan.

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That doesn't mean that I every day should be only to send it six. No. There's a last plan. So same way Allah thought that okay, fine to be a doctor became a doctor. So I don't think so people are coming for my talk because I'm a medical doctor. At a lower level, fine. At a higher level. The degree doesn't matter the that hasn't gone shaggy that haven't gone to an Islamic University. He has not gone to a normal former school also. It was ALLAH said. So once it is mainly Allah puts love into the heart of the people who he should be loved. So many law says. So it was a last plan. I'm very happy about it. But I would not do the same for my son. Because normal thing is not that you

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should become a doctor typical day. Because what is required in Dawa in the field of medicine I can teach my son in just a couple of months. You don't have to go to five and a half years of medical practice. But national the best is going to an Islamic school. Islamic University. I didn't go to any Sunday school. I did not go to any Islamic University that doesn't message central follow my footsteps. That was alas planning. But for my son. What I remember what I was, I was inspired by that at the age of 27. And then I started out as a good practicing Muslim and under like an average Muslim praying five times a day, not telling lies good but there was no passion of Darwin. If you

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myself with my son, what my son did in his childhood, I didn't even do point 00 1% of that, what my son achieved at the age of 25, maybe it was a million times more than what I achieved in the field of Java. Now, either the age of 28 at the age of 28, I know what I was my son half of the Quran, he knew that every other language, English is very fluent. So what natural in terms of worldly assets? My son is a million times better than me, at the age of 27, or 28, compared to me, we're gonna do a podcast with him to inshallah soon in Tel Aviv. But But does it mean that he will have the same following? It really allows him, so I tell my son, what we could not do. We trained our children, I

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don't read Arabic language, I understand a little bit I cannot speak.

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But I saw to it that all my children spoke Arabic at the age of three, four or five last for all three of them. Both monitors. So I'm not having to look around people think I'm Africa than all my children. So if you say, would, what I did, and I would not do, no, I'm happy with it. And yet I can quote the Quran would have the Quran cannot do the references I give a nominal office cannot do it unless money. So I cannot see that if any mistake which I would not want to do. But if I plan for my son, I would plan something better than my childhood. As the average person the average day, if a person comes into town to become a day, I will give him a blueprint, Russian and if you see it

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doesn't match at all with my with my childhood.

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But at the end of the day, the most important is help of Allah. So with all the education now methanol, remastered Inshallah, PhD, Shala, maybe double PhD, but that really doesn't help in that way is it does help to very small limit,

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doing a degree from the University, whether it be Jama dilemma, a path from Medina city, we help you get a job, but for dava it's good, but that's not enough. You have to have the rose to the top shoes, we should do your own research, you should do hard work. So I always tell him that if Allah helps you then you'll achieve success and help yourself so I say that you should seek ALLAH said that the most important regarding the mistakes one of the things that people normally told me when I started my Dawa *, they told me that you know, if we put the Islamic programs on the cable TV, Bombay is one of the most difficult place to put our

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so my son so my brother and my colleague told me if we start putting Islamic video cassettes on the cable TV, every cable operator and 100,000 houses 50,000 houses, it will be difficult in Bombay they stop it.

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I decided, if they are willing to put let's put wholesale if they stop after six months, no problem.

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And I humbly love we started that and we continue now we have pitched up all owe the world Mashallah.

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You cannot say that we were intelligent, we were smart that we were able to Tao and Bombay, a city, which is one of the most difficult places in the world. It was basically Allah said, I cannot say that I'm intelligent, I was smart, not at all. We had faith in Allah, we did it. And we got through. The other thing that people objected that when we used to take shahada in the conference, our peace conference was the largest Islamic English conference in the world,

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where a million people have to come over 10 days in one setting. 200,000 People live no Islamic conference in the world English conference, where such a large gathering comes.

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And we treat each other in public until opposition from everyone even even from the police. I fight of the law of India's concern. Every citizen of India has the right to preach, practice and propagate these religions. I'm not breaking the law.

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So when they told me that don't take shahada in public after they give me lighting, and they never did that. Many people said that if you take shahada, your organization will be closed and used to be stopped doing Dawa.

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The only person who supported me with my wife mashallah, I asked many shoots and according to the hikma they said, you know, better don't give shadow you can do dava for a longer period. If it's a shadow maybe within two years it closes. I said I agree with you. If at a shadow and probably the move towards me now, if I don't agree, but I look at the overall benefit. The reason that when we have pitch TV and pitch TV mashallah has reached the full network has a reach of 200 million viewers. Now the recording we did have the shadows in my lectures and it peace conference. It's being

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played throughout the mashallah we are sitting here, the dive and they're getting this hour we are sleeping, and the recording going on and around the clock 24 hours on four different sides of attendance. Now, besides that, there are 25% of the viewers of the pitch TV anonymous

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I was very surprised when he told us his numbers last night, I was surprised to hear that I thought it'd be you know, almost low 25% Maybe 20% it may vary from 25%. And that foot is our normal when we have conferences organized the US 20 to 25% on on Muslims, but organized by others, the percentage of non Muslim be less. Well, when we organize, we organize, you see to that we target the non Muslim law. So, so imagine, even if you take the piece TV 100 million are watching. That means 25 million non Muslim watching. And when they like Islam, then what? When they see that the colleagues or the non Muslim brothers are giving shahada, it inspires them also sitting at home, that we should give

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the shahada so then we realize the few shadows that we show on the satellite channel, maybe 100 200, there are 1000s of them taking shots at home.

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I would prefer having the peace conference for five years we headed Mashallah. And hundreds of other afforded hundreds of Shala, which has been telecast, if I don't give sure they do agree with you, maybe I would have worked for another 10 years in Bombay. If I'm in Bombay, I would have been in jail now.

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Because all the top days, who don't follow the guidelines of the government or don't tow the line of body Airbnbs. So number one, I did hijra, and I can go and make money and greed after each era. And secondly, I'm getting shut up. I'm sitting here from the Andressa was continuing. So what people said the doctors are clear, you should not have taken the shahada in public. I said by Lord Salaat. And I feel in the long run, it is more beneficial. Now in a mid non Muslim, they said, Oh, we became Muslim, because we saw fish TV. So I feel that the Sava overall we are looking for Sababa. And how can we benefit? You know, Islam is going to spread? How can we be a small catalyst in the process of

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spreading the deen and that's going to spend the de Allah doesn't require us

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unless promised that and rubbish that we are. So I feel that what people say it's a mistake because of the docket is banned. I said, No. If I was given the opportunity, I would maybe do it more. Maybe I should move the shahada because I'm not breaking the law of the country. It is not going with the policy of some of the politician that is a problem. So I feel that if I looking back in my Dawa life the way Allah planned it? I don't think so that. I don't think so that, yes, as a human being. I'm not saying that I'm perfect. But if you asked me that to go back in time and change, I said no perfect. And flawless plan. Good that I'm a doctor. I will not make myself a doctor. And then and I

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tried to study Arabic. I went to Saudi Arabia a few times, but Allah had their own plans, you know, I went to the best of teachers, but I could not stay for long at none. I feel and when I when I met Sheikh Abdullah the trophy,

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you know, I feel is one of the one of the one of the best living scholars in the world from Korea. And he was very close to me. And he told me that you know,

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not as accurate I don't think so. You should you start a channel in Arabic,

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or give lectures Arabic?

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He told me that no, the Arab Allah's if

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you don't speak out to me, if you start speaking Arabic, that there'll be competition. I think mashallah interesting. He's a great scholar. And that is the same thing that happened in India. In India, I used to initially give lectures only in English.

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When the Joint Commission of police in Bombay with a non Muslim, he said your lectures are very good, but I'll not be happy until you give it or do or in Hindi because that for the muscles understand. And when we started the piston, who do I start speaking to, though, it's not very polished when people start liking it, and more is increased. But

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the people

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who were very popular monana You know, and the people who are shucks in order to language they started maybe not liking it. So we've been given the Fatah McAfee stuff. So I realized Sheikh Abdullah, these three fish, so far sighted, all these all these Indian Scholars is to praise me Oh doctors, I can I get very good in lecture than English listen to when I started giving Rulu and when the audio is increased, for one lecture of mine in North Indian behad there were more than a million people for my Lord Rama which is the largest gathering for any religious speaker in one setting 1 million people massage and

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so I realized that mashallah you know, that it has, so, so maybe Allah has his own plan. I tried a lot when I could make my children learn Arabic I tried a lot a few times I went into Medina understand Arabic but not that will and will speak fluently. So I feel this is the last planning. If you ask me shouldn't

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Ain't Radovic should know, I don't know that the different thing I'm a different case, maybe I love this plant. If you want of course, I would love to have the Quran I would love to speak Arabic of the language very fluently, like my son. So what I felt

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either they didn't have I thought would have given my children X all of them are for the current dinarobin English. Most all Oxford graduates out there doing the Masters, inshallah did a PhD also channel but I feel that I find my life is concerned. I think Allah planned it. And I don't think so I would like to change anything what happened in the past?

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Beautiful. One of the things that I attended one of your courses any year that you had here

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you mentioned about being successful, because be wise about the Dow technique. And you said that the exorcist and Dow it's actually more than a technique. And I found it very profound when you said that and actually wrote it down in the numbers that I had. So if you could share that with us so that people can benefit from it as well. How to be successful you said there's there's two things that come actually before that the technique itself, the common question asked to me that rock is what is the success of a memory?

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Why are you so some what is the technique of I said that number one for success. And Allah says in the Quran in surah Imran Chapter three was the 160 If Allah helps you, then men can overcome you. If Allah for six you who is dead, then who can help you. So let the believers put the trust in Allah. So number one, did Allah say this is the most important? Number two. And the law says incident, chapter number 29 Verse number 16. If if you strive in the way of Allah subhanaw taala Allah opened up your pathways. So number two is struggling, striving, doing jihad. Hello. Number one is Allah's help? Number two, striving and struggling in the way of Allah. And number three is technique. Allah

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says in surah inhealth chapter 16 Verse 43, and sorry, Umbria chapter number 21 was number seven. Allah says first Allah Allah Zachary, in gondola animal, if you don't know, as the person who knowledgeable.

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Then the next question people asked me, okay, what is the technique? I bring you, brother. I'm telling you the priority 123 you asking me the third thing you should ask me how to get

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there. Have you heard of the technique, the technique the least important, you may be the technically most qualified. But number one, you should ask me how to get a lesson. So in our training program, we show to a student how to get a lesson. For example, before they come to the training program, we give them homework for one month. Remember, they will serve the Quran memorize this one month's time, before they come to the before they come. We give them homework when they're selected. We give them homework for one month, one month time to do the homework and the reading for 45 days, when they come most of them don't even finish 2% or 3% difficult.

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We have told them to memorize all the 114 names of the Quran in Arabic,

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along with the translation, the chapters this, so refer to the opening. So the Batra differ for a liberal family of liberal. So we give them a list.

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We try not possible you'll never find that by the way. And when I do it sometimes in Arabic people like I said what the number the chapter when I was number this I say chapter number 12. What is in there thinking? You know, what is that? Because it was it came very, very common for us not English. I think you made it more common. You say chapter 12 Any sort of usage. And so they're like, what is it? What is this sort of they have to think about it that out of that I used to have any numbers of the chapters and it's my mom. So almost all the students maybe did one, two 3% That's it, we show them within a few days. They remember everything what they could not do in one month. They do own

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it, they do it to us. We prove to them how this possible most of the people you know most of the people sleep on average for seven to eight hours.

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And during the training program even I did it with all the 16th when I was 51 years old.

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In the room normally asking for three three and a half I'd been training for two hours and be on the stage for about 12 hours. And Allah had been through this thought to it that if time and struggle with Allah have switched, we showed the mozzarella that we showed them how to strive and then the techniques.

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So best is in any work any good work. Allah help is the most important point. Whether it be business, whether it be study, whether it be health, anything, whether Bedava number one is an open secret is a formula for any good work. Number one, it allows him second is to allow and how to get Allah said it best I've been struggling. Why should Allah help you? And we see that the most difficult tests were on the MBS a prophet said, the messengers are given the most difficulties, and the messengers were the highest among other human beings. They strive much more than a normal human being. The next level on the Sabbath, the third that the Sabbath underwent is multiple times within

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us the struggling

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you're striving they did it multiple times more than us. They're the second level after the mbf. So from here we learn that number one in the lesson number two is striving and struggling, if you strive, and if you don't get success, the problem is the new. It's not in Allah, Allah, Allah promises in the Quran that if you strive and struggle will give you success. So if we're not getting success, that means you're striving and struggling is not sufficient, or is going in the wrong direction. None of the amazing if you haven't struggled with Eliza, if we're Allah, Allah will give you a technique. It hasn't gone to any room, I'm not good at Islamic University, I'm not gone. And

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I cannot say I'm intelligent, I'm smart. So in this training program, we demonstrate to the students how it's possible to get a lesson. And we hammer it

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in his brain, that Allah has helped me the most important, then comes diving if totaling then comes the technique. And we show the technique, but without another audio technique. If Yeah, when I heard that I said at the right that that is very beneficial, benefited a lot from them, which is

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another thing I want to talk about, we had a meeting we talked about, you know, the importance of establishing

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a committee for the International dua to bring them under one umbrella.

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You've talked about this before he talked about in other gatherings as well, any what is the reality that this might happen? And what are the benefits? If it would happen? Oh, yes, there was a plan of mine since several years that we should have a International Union of the English speaking towards

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the Muslim International

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Union of the Muslim scholars that's in Qatar, which is the regatta we Milan agenda. He was the head.

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But always said that if we have this organization, it should be effective, otherwise useless things every day have influence has a following. He can do it. But if it's an organization, which is strong, which is heard the most important thing because if you see the political scenario now

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it's very difficult for the Muslim dwarves to travel or to do Dawa. The difficulty. So unless there is an umbrella of a Muslim country, which is willing to support this organization, having faith in organization will not be really beneficial. So it was there in my mind, several years that many worlds are being targeted, I mean, right before the target, you know, that I was targeted by the Indian company before that, and we were prepared. When we started Dawa in Bombay, I thought that, you know, when we when we get successful, how long would you last we thought maybe 510 years, but really more than 25 years, we did our in Bombay martial, amazing for looking at the positive aspect,

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we were prepared that we would be harnessed, we prepared but never thought that there'd be an allegation of terrorism. So, Allah Allah has been very keen. So, if we have an organization of the International English speaking dua

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number one, you should have an umbrella of a government, because when we register it,

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most parts of the world you register it, and if it's successful, they will close you the president. So, which country in the world would be willing to take the brunt of the other countries, there are very few in the world.

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So, I find to be that there are two countries that can really be that can have this capacity would be one is Qatar, where we are and one in Malaysia. We see from the history that you know

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they have taken the pressure

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so these two countries I feel other countries were and that is the reason I travel more between these countries because these countries are willing to take the challenge you know if it for Islam, they will stand on the back. They will not bezel like most of the Muslim countries when it comes to the truth if the political pressure demand so disregard Do they feel that they know it's the heartland Islam so they will stick to it because in Malaysia mashallah Islam is the word of bank

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and that's good mashallah is one of the few Muslim countries where we're being a democracy country where the Muslim majority where it's a word Mancow but natural, Islam is powerful there Mashallah. And amongst the countries of the Gulf, I feel that cover is one of the country which is which we know from history, no doubt that they have, they have withstand the pressure, they have given support to many of the Muslim scholars at dive, or those with the world have not given something they've given. So I feel these two countries that doesn't so inshallah in the near future if we have a possibility of having this organization, under the under under the umbrella for

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almost ready to be effective. And my thing is that all the

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Amelie initially we start

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With you know, having a having me do brainstorming of of the most influential, don't Muslim dwarves who have a bigger following and a more influential, get them into a brainstorming and then inshallah maybe in the near future we will we'll have the organizational challenge and then another question want to ask any now that my shadow son Shafaq will remember it, we call them Shia cleric now, which I remember when I first met him when I was at the Peace TV conference in 2009. You know, he came with his, his, his copy book, and he said, Could you write some advice for me? And I remember wrote for them, and now he's become a chef, Mashallah. And he's graduated and come back. And he's joined

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you now. And I want to ask, how was it for you, as a father, the impact that he's had, he's joined your team, like you said earlier, you know, he does one show, and you do a one show. So if you could just tell me how his impact has had, since he joined the team. And I, I mentioned to you earlier that you know, the famous NBA star and basketball LeBron James, he's waiting, you know, he doesn't want to retire. He wants to wait for his Son to join the NBA so they can play together. So now, Michelle, you and your son are on the same team. So no, how does that feel?

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That's a great feeling.

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And remember, when I had asked advice from Sheikh Abdullah, sorry, again,

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the person who I think is one of the good living scholars, Mashallah.

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And when my son asked for advice, you know, what do they advise? So, he said that normally,

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normally to a high percentage, a doctor's child is the doctor. And the genotype is an Indian, remember, the percentage may be, if you unlike maybe 20%, or, but a die each child is only a day as scholars child is rarely a scholar, so true. And I was taken aback. So by then he gave me a good news. There are some exceptions. Like she gave me the idea. So he made me a father was a scholar, and he became religious scholar. So then I asked him that Sheikh wouldn't you want your son wants to be a scholar you? He said, of course. But the unfortunate thing is, that rarely does the dice and then and then I started checking, check, these are these, right?

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I don't know if any famous day who son has reached, even maybe 20% of the same or doesn't matter have a face and the shake forthright. But that doesn't mean that we don't want to make us a Sunday. So and I remember that I just spoke today, Jay Feldman, Amory. And when we had gone to his house, in 2013, or 14, I'd gone with my son and my wife, you know, to meet him in Abu Dhabi. So do I give for my son that we pray that fiery, become Schakel Islam, and that is the best dua that I could, you know, people say examine everything, or shift Islam. And today, I just spoke to him just before coming for the podcast has been to mention another check. I remember that word of the year for

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method that we shouldn't make a political Islam you know, and, and that was one that I started making, that me and my son, you know, be multiple times better than me and we ended with Allah Who knew Kincaid and always pray that CV as parents, we can guide our children. But Allah is the One who keep them on the safe path. We have examples in the Quran, that children of Messenger's they became wishing they became coffered even I'm not Allah Salam, you know, and then we have

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usually salaams son Butel, Islam's wife, wife, here, we have example that Mushriks children became messenger a brand Melissa. So always say that whatever said and done whatever we do it find yella. So what we could do we give to our children, but finding Salah and I told him that only degrees and bachelor's degree or master's degree doesn't make you a very good day. And I say that all the dwarfs that you see, all those people who passed from the university don't become the famous Dave, those trades and those who are alive. They become effective days. For less a letter than help you unless you don't, you're the lecturer of other shoes. You will not be significant that was only the degree

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okay little but not for now.

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I hamdulillah wish to pray and we did what we can do. But when my son came back

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you know he was here we are at plans of remaster then paid in Saudi weather have said no, you shouldn't be with me. After he finished his graduation. He came back to Malaysia. And he did a master's in Malaysia, Islamic National University. He did a graduation from

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Mohammed bin Salman served Imams out in the city. My mom thought leaders will sit in Riyadh and then I thought that you know master they should do from Malaysia from Malaysia sitting close to me. And hamdulillah and then he realized that you know, when Anthony

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questions he has he's a bachelor he's he's a qualified shake in what it covers. But then unless he did not do his own research, his own is his own we have to reply when we realize okay the question is asked we did it but the answer is no.

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We know we have your Bachelor's but you know, we actually only soldiers who don't struggling and that changed his life Mashallah. So after he came back mashallah, Vinny before he used to just repeat my lectures and that's what we did that if you're a kid, you cannot do this let's he started giving lectures from the feet and in schools to Malaysia then I said, Now, you should not even manage if Michelle NO YOU'RE A che qualified she had very good you have already you know your your subject very well compared to even declared you can give a lecture, but do research on new topics. So, he started giving courses mashallah you know, for the youngsters, you know, on different topics

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or topics which are which are less No, who would like to be honest, it was amazing but back to and then the Sunnah of the Fridays, you know, people don't the minute details, you know, sort of the thing mashallah you know, about our about the

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the important details Julija the first index of the ledger, so, all these topics, which are less spoken, he started with only search and the question of secession.

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When we started, I started twice a week, then I found that you know, it is stopping me from other parts of Java. So I meet once a week, and my son came back to Malaysia after free tuition, then the first and third Saturday I ended the questioning session that after Zakat and the third and the second and the fourth Saturday then by then my son asterik, Farik, my son Excellent. So mashallah, he started having you his own followers. And mashallah, that'll be give. I feel compared for a jump friend for an Indian. It's excellent. Russia English is good. So in terms of training and qualification, he is 1000 times better the Russian Yeah, I've been seeing a lot with him in Arabic

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these days.

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as I said, Whatever little bit of achieved it wasn't because of Allah and Hamdulillah. So I told my son that you know, you should try for level. How do you tell him? I tell him day for day, the most important in the title Salah locker. Locker. Yes, he's retired in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, but maybe for a few minutes. Then Mitch 20 minutes, you can finish that very fast. So when you get my salary, that's a little bit anything I'm not okay fine. We go. Then we started having that you select two hours a day, which one just whichever one I should be for the restoration of the Quran, Florida's edition, when do they fall into this index? Approximately 50 minutes and

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maybe 50 minutes for doing dua in the festa

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for 50 minutes for dua 50 midfield and the remaining 15 regiment for the other parts of the Salah. This is a terrible thing. It's so many of the dewata are missing. And they focus it like you mentioned before in the technique and on this, but their relationship with Allah subhanaw taala I feel it in this generation of duat it's totally missing someone even it comes sometimes to the fourth domino about about the novel. And I mean when I when I first graduated when she a few semesters and always mentioned this in my lectures, he said is a day he said you don't have five day repairs. He said you have six he says five is for the general people as it now you have to have the

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six you have to be in the tattooed Subhanallah it's amazing in feta judo, the first for the Prophet the messenger I do agree with that and and and seeing to it that you know we should there is no appointment more important than appointment of Allah Allah or Salah time we have to be in the mosque in German Russia once in a blue moon if you miss accepted so that for a humble and thoughtful I feel that you know, gaining a lot of happiness so we're gonna dive, how to get Eliza that four digit integral amazing for a day it is

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further not Islamically but if you say compulsory for a day I could say that but it's not it must have or I could say and then you give a talk on the most important sunnah after the fire right? So you have a course

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six episode The most important sunnah after the fine mesh not only sunnah Salah and then we associate that which is the most important so now the people which are the most important as of now

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no one thinks that and then I give a proof to them logically that the most important so now amongst all the Sunnah of the Prophet said at the time

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will lead for you of course on that any any picked up all the additions. So I'm delighted when your last cell and and whatever training we do if, if if the person will not he can do it very easily

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We only pray to Allah that me you know, we say that you keep us on the street but when a lot of Cubana habla Milla didn't care. I mean, I mean, I mean, all Lord,

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after that has guided us, keep us on the straight path, therefore. I mean, you mentioned something last night, which I found very beneficial when a brother asked you about the style of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat Ramiel autonom. And you mentioned that his thought at that time was in a certain way, and it was very powerful. And the Christians had to change their approach to Christian missionaries, because he refuted all of their misconceptions. So they had, they had to evolve basically, and come up with new ways. So you can also do it also. And this time, they have to evolve as well. So if you could do any comment a bit on that, but a very beneficial worship was that night last night was that

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is debate beneficial. Since the debate.

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The pros and cons, it's good, but not the most frequent thing, but actually did last time during the 70s and 80s. At that time, the Christian missionaries used to do the missionary activity particular style is to pick up the Quran is to find force in the Quran, and is to promote the Bible that the Bible is the Word of God and shake the that a hamdulillah was only six standard paths. He challenged the whole Christian them alone.

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I mean, no, I mean, no scholar can do that. But mashallah, he will only six standard paths, Allah says is to strive is to struggle, he was a salesman, and while I mean you were born in India, and at the age of six or nine is he migrated to South Africa because of his poor background, family background, he could not study and he was the driver become a salesman of the furniture store, and regression in which needs to come and hammer I knew tell him, you know, you're a Muslim and their mistakes or not, he didn't know what to do. And then he found the book is out of luck. And that's how, yes, he's got the information he started applying, while replying. He got results and that's

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how he became the world famous day. Mashallah. So the thing is at that time, you know, I remember that, I, I told God that, you know, in 1987, the first time I met him, when I was in secondary Medical College, and an Uncle, why are you so aggressive?

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He smiled and said, Son, I'm not aggressive, I'm billeted fracture, and there are two ways to fight the devil.

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One is the fire, the other is the holy water.

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I chose the fire if you want to do only what I feel find it more effective this time, and that was put in memory. So when I started doing Java,

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I tried to copy full meta, memorized it. And I in a very software support, I got no results, very little reason. If it's a matter of I'm not getting users, okay, the style is important. Then I started becoming aggressive. I became more ability, I became multiple 10 Mobility rejected as you could see me and others. People started adjusting my lecture I was very militant.

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But then with experience, I came to know that they should be versatile.

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Then I toned down. Allah says Allah will submit it to become a checkmark on more than 10 hasna with Adam bility acid in white all the way of the Lord with wisdom and repeating an algorithm and dealing with them in the way that the best month Krishna, I'm sorry, chapter number 16 was wondering effect, then always feel we came to know that most of the diamond soft I'm humbled when required. Russia, I didn't get it. I press it. A line doesn't have to roar. The king of the jungle, she doesn't have to roar locker. So when people know some of my debates, so I'm normally soft, but when required. You shouldn't be admitted in the moment. So I didn't tell my students you should be versatile.

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Excellent. The best is

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soft, but because this verse of the Quran you know, to me, many people I never wish I did that. We never understood the sheikh. bearbrick bit soft.

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Take magma with our sigma. And to me also, hikma, what do people normally the sigma means soft.

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This is a misconception. If you read the context of certain health chapter 16 Verse 125. Few words before bedroo starts. It says in Prophet Abraham is a beautiful example. What a prophet Abraham did in broad daylight.

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So he command doesn't mean soft. Yes, most of the time it can be soft. hikma means what is the best sometimes you have to be aggressive. Sometimes most of the time be soft, but sometimes you have to be militant. A danger someone enters your house to rob and you want to be very soft

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Let's talk about

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exactly come up people think, is like mommy's what is the best for that particular time. So then I train my students that most of the time be soft, be humble, even the abuse you smile, but when required, you have to be tough. So that's how much I love he I, I did a lot of experience. And later on, you know, when she did that, you have given the top on simulate with some Hinduism in his way, which if you think the fire, then I gave a talk on similarities between Islam and Hinduism. And I told him until this holy water, he thought, and he was shocked. He said, Son, they're cursing and you're smiling.

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Then he gave me the bill. First, he gave me the data that person had before when he saw this, the image of the shadow when he was sick, when you had the stroke, you have the shadow son, what do you have done in four years at taking the 40 year stretch? Of course, it is greatness that you know, just to encourage me, he gave me that path. I mean, no one can come close to it. That is great. Mashallah. So, I'm not comparing myself to him at all, but that shows his greatness that encouraged me Give me the title at that plus to encourage me said what you have done in four year that they can be for two years, she is phenomenal man like random data for those, but coming to the thing that

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then I say that will be sometime use fire sometime you have only water. So, when I gave the talk of similarities between salmon Hinduism, how can you do Dawa even to the Hindus Hamdulillah.

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coming to this in in terms of techniques in terms of being effective at the demo shake did that what he did was the best. She went to see the messenger the various messenger that came down the line, every messenger had a speciality. At the demo Silas Alamitos miracles, at the time of realism, it was for every depending upon what was required, Allah gave that to those messages.

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At the time of masala Salam, it was the purity of the Arabic language. No one could prove that. So at the demo, she did that what he did was the best AP US military India debates over the Christian missionary openly challenged the Muslims and no Muslim could apply. They were using other domains. What he did was the best, but later on, because of his success, the Christian missionaries change the state. Now you don't find missionaries coming and saying the Bible is the Word of God do tick or mistake they will not say that.

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Now the tank the Quran in a different way.

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So now asked I'd have to cheat. So I'm not saying that I don't debate but debating is not a must. When did when should be done.

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So now they should be most often should try and apply the unfilled with hikma try and reply the answer within reason, logic and science. So now the things have changed. So I feel that that they should know how to debate when required, should not be built in when required should not be soft. It shouldn't be a word fidelity of having knowledge of reason, and logic, which is more important today.

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For she did that each time of radio debate. It was a requirement. Now. It's not a requirement, because but when someone is there, you don't find today people say you know that Quran, God, the Word of God on a debate with you all the top at that time. The most famous for Jimmy's forget today. And he used to speak against the Muslims and used to doing missionary activity. Today. The people are famous like Joel instant, they don't talk the same. Same way. As for Eastern Michigan. And now the famous people will know how to do it. That time they were willing. Now that's the reason I say that when someone not the main vacation missionary won't debate me those which are infamous. I don't

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want to make them famous.

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forever, ever criteria. If anyone wants to debate me, he should at least be able to get 10,000 people for an individual lecture.

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After a year, we're talking about a million people I said they should at least be 2% of my audience and I can get a million people from a larger gathering. They should active get 2% of my largest gathering, if any non Muslim can get 20,000 for his lecture, not a conference, not gathering with other speakers for within religion. I don't mean debating. That doesn't mean I don't want to debate there are I know hundreds of Christian missionary hundreds of Hindu priest who can get more than 20,000 people. Are these people who are famous would never want to repeat me. The last one I remember the 2006 when Shishido Shankar who is one of the most

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famous Hindu preacher who gets audiences of 200,000 10,000 Vostok

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one person organized and he agreed for the debate. I doubt whether he will agree even if we give him a million dollar game.

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It was successful. There was a lot of debate ahead in 2006.

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So now I feel that debate is not a must. But if someone is really trying to you know, belittle Islam, etc for so much of independent

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zakat, two things inshallah before before we wrap up, one of them speak about about Hindus, I think you know, many of the Duat they know how to get out of Christians to atheist, but you wouldn't like when you have a Hindu, most people are stuck. So if you could just give a few pointers, what are the main things that you know, when you focus on giving a dial I guess we give a whole lecture about it, we will just summarize, and a couple of key points and how to be effective and given down with the Hindus as far as doing dava one of the master key sites were in * chapter 60 was 125. Lulu sub replica sigma. The other extreme branch operative was number 64. Bella says we'll have to branch for

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Allah fifth.

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Cooley Elta op Pro, tallow Electra limiting Sawa in binary income, come to common terms as been essential.

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We did the first step, Allah, Allah, Allah Allah, that you worship them but Allah. So here we realize that one of the master key for Dawa is talking about similarities.

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And in the simulator, Allah says the most important is Alana with a Lola that you wish in them, but Allah so I tell my students that when you're doing Dawa, you can start with a Quran in science, you can start with a teacher, no problem, you can start with whatever is commonalities between

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you and the non Muslim, but your main target should be tight. Unless you don't remove the ship from his life. Unless you don't put toys in the life, all your data is useless. You may convince him not to have alcohol, you may convince them of what job you may convince him not to have pork, but we don't remove the shirt from his life, or don't make him come on TV with our new list. So same time, when you're talking about similarities between Islam and Christianity, or Islam or Hinduism, number one should be taught.

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And there are many verses in the scripture that can quote 100. We start whatever he

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wishes, he wouldn't think that's there, but I don't know. But I remember different the first time we give this talk, similarities between Islam and Hinduism, the very, very many Muslims were against me. And when I give this talk, the first time in Dubai, there was a big group of Muslims days, who spoke against me, they distributed pamphlets, don't attend the lecture. I said,

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at least hear the lecture.

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without hearing the lecture. What can they be similar to Islam Hinduism, they are wishing to worship blah, blah, blah, blah, okay, fine. You're my lecture, after my lecture. If if that anything against the Sharia, anything against the Quran, anything they said, then you can speak louder than you can get back.

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I gave the talk which was for one and a half to us. And people are shocked. I'm talking about the Tauheed in the Scripture quoting.

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So if you read the Scripture, there are many verses of time.

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And I don't intend giving a lecture, but the Brahma sutra of Hinduism and it comes from this dynasty Naina Gnostic engine, that one, aka Deuteronomy here in the year he is Remini, there is only one God, not a second one. Not at all, not at all, not in the least bit. So there are various sources in the Upanishads in the Vedas, talking about time. So when you're comparing Hinduism and Islam, we don't talk about the negative factor when there are similarities. There are multiple more time differences, but we don't touch on differences. We touch on similarities. So number one while doing our historic number two is the reseller

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about profit numbers Allah satisfaction people know about Prophet Muhammad mentioned in the Bible, but very few knew about Prophet Mombasa also mentioned in the scripture, and if you compare the mention of Prophet Muhammad Salah Solomon multiple times more than what he mentioned the Bible by name, he's mentioned 100 times a lot in the Bible only once, and then the scriptures will then handle it and then I'll give references

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and the details that are given in the infrastructure when you read the heavy Purana. And when you read the Kalki Purana, it says that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. His father's name is Abdullah

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Ahmed of God that the translation his mother's name is Amina will be born in the city of peace. He left for close companions, angels will help him in the battlefield so we

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can give our precise and that's great

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Get up under Chapter number two was number five 711 15.

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And he mentioned my name Emma D mentioned my name is mama several times, it talks about the details of what is prophecies in great detail. So, this is the second one that a person should touch. Then it talks about salah, that how to the Hindus worship, the worship of Hinduism known as dundun mascara, which says you should

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fall on the ground and touch with seven parts in purchasing

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the two hands,

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the two knees, the two feet, the nose and the forehead, from the Sunnah, sec teaching but then the normal scan is done no mascara, same as the fool.

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There are very surface differences even of maca. And then the Scripture, then the scripture says children of alcohol cannot say the same, then the scripture says you should not have pork.

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How many people know Hindu scripture says that you can marry up to four women.

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They put it there for Yes. Yes. Yes. So the thing that there are so many things, which a lay into doesn't know, I'm giving references. So after the talk, and I'm giving differences, yes, there are differences also, but I'm not judging the differences.

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I say that, if a Hindu so I tell I told the Indian government, why don't you teach Sanskrit to the Hindus so that they read the Scripture and they come to know then the Muslim Hindu will be more closer.

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And I've written a book on similar to do Salman Hinduism and even the lecture is that it's about two hours. So all the details are given. But the link and challenge description. The last question then you mentioned something last night which I found very powerful, which was your wish before you die, but Islam entering every home so I think so there could be a good ending and gentle talent. If you could talk a bit about that. What is What are the do that What do you want to do?

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So I always say that I pray to Allah, that you will the Hadith of the Prophet that inshallah I will endeavor to, so pray to Allah that to meet me instrumental. He doesn't require me. It doesn't require anyone to make me instrumental in the fulfillment of this hadith that inshallah Islam will interview that Allah Zelicah vertical, I think will make us all instruments and Jellybean apart and shall be from those who help Inshallah, spread the message and Zack Alafaya, thank you for your time. Thank you for coming. Back. Luffy was a pleasure to be with you today inshallah Vogler.

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