Nigel Farage vs – Has Israel a right to exist – Is Free Palestine antisemitic

What you're about to see is me on

the right wing news platform GB News discussing

with Nigel Farage

the rights of the Palestinians and engaging him

on some of his red herring arguments that

are designed to distract away from the pressing

issue of the Palestinians and the oppression and

genocide they're facing. During this discussion, I bring

up the point that if the West believes

in equal rights, that it should give equal

rights to Palestinians along with Jews in the

land of Palestine.

This is because the west holds this as

a criteria of good and bad, and yet

they're not being consistent with it. And of

course, if you're not being consistent with your

values, this is one definition of injustice is

not to be consistent in what you believe

to be good. The Islamic paradigm, however, does

not consider equal rights to be the basis

for justice per se. Because if their rights

were bad, making sure everyone's equal in them

doesn't mean that everyone's going to get justice

nor will the laws do justice to human

nature. So things can be equally bad for

everybody. It doesn't mean it's right just because

it's all equal.

Also not all things are the same even

if they might appear so. So for example,

it's for this reason that we don't insist

Christians stop eating pork in Islamic system because

Christians don't believe in Islam and are therefore

not under Islamic laws and rules whereas Muslims

would be. The same law would not be

applied on them as applied on Muslims. So

the Islamic paradigm is based upon the command

of the creator of the universe. He's the

only one who can issue

laws designed for human nature perfectly and is

the basis for good and bad by his

decree. So this is the Islamic paradigm

But here you'll see me engaging the western

paradigm and demanding they be consistent in it,

extending that consistency to Palestinians

if they claim to believe in those values

so much. So without further ado, enjoy the

show. Now we debated earlier,

you know, the fact that many people, many

Jewish people in Britain feel they've been discriminated

against. It was rather backed up with the

behavior, I think, of border force at Manchester

Airport and British foreign policy has shifted. Have

we betrayed Israel? Well, I'm joined by the

cofounder of the Muslim debate initiative, Abdullah

al Andalusi, who's back on the program. Yeah.

Do you understand

why Jewish people in this country are beginning

to feel threatened,

and very uncomfortable?

Well, I can't speak to people's internal mental

states,

but what I've many Jewish people have told

me, that there's a there's a, a propaganda

that's incited by,

Israel, that,

Jews should not feel

safe, in the presence of people,

merely calling for the rights of Palestinians or

somehow the rights of Palestinians are inimicable,

to Jewish nationhood, which is not true. Isn't

it? And this is no. It's not. Of

course, what the rights of Palestinians is in

terms of Let's just get to the bottom

of this. Yeah. So, you know, would you

recognize

would you recognize

that and we can argue about the borders,

but would you recognize that the state of

Israel should exist?

No states have a right to exist. People

have a right to exist. States are are

imagination are things we imagine in our in

our minds,

are mental constructs. They don't have a physical

reality. Well, normally, they Humans. Humans have physical

reality. Ranges. They have. We're in Ireland. So

very often geography is part of this too.

You're talking about the Earth's crust. Alright? And

the Earth's crust exist indeed, and the midlands

exist. But people exist physically, and people have

a right to exist. Right. Whether they're Jewish,

Muslim, Christian, Palestine, Arab, or whomever. Just say

And that is what this is all about.

It's about the Palestinian's right to exist Israel

exists. With dignity.

And ethical rights. Israel exists as a state.

Does it have a right to exist?

As I said before, no state has a

right to exist. Only people has or have

a right to exist. Not really an answer,

is it? No. It is an answer because

that

It's it's it's it's a state. It falls

within the substate of states from the rest

of the states. I'm saying that nation states

don't have a right to exist. People have

a right to exist. Agree with that at

all. People form together in nation states. The

Jewish people have formed together in and I

understand,

complex history over 2000 years and all the

rest. I mean, the point is this,

Abdullah,

that, you know, from the river to the

sea that that was put up on the

Elizabeth Tower, that's been chanted and marches weekend

after weekend, even the kindest interpretation of that

is that it is about the abolition of

the current state of Israel.

Well, look, we were all about the abolition

of the,

of the state of South Africa as an

apartheid state changing it into a an inclusive

state. Which it is. So, now it is.

Yeah. But before, the fact that the Tories

were all against against that. So, if you're

saying to me that should we be against,

Israel is currently formed as an ethnonationalist state

privileging

one ethnic group, one group of Semites over

all the Semites,

then I I think this should this should

change. All Semites in the land of Palestine,

be they Palestinian Arabs or Jews,

should at the very minimum have,

an equal dignity, equal tolerance, equal rights, and

equal freedom to go about. The Likud party,

why don't you condemn the Likud party who's

their their one of their their their formal

statements, and on their manifesto is from the

the from the Jordan River to the sea,

it will only be Israeli sovereignty. Right? So

is that genocidal then? Oh, no one talks

about that. No. No. No. No. Look. I

would love to see a 2 state solution

and a compromise, but my problem with this

is my problem with this is and we

had, you know, Ralphie Blum on from Manchester,

but I I know you were delayed getting

here a bit earlier, saying that many of

the other things that have been chanted in

the streets, I mean, are basically death to

the Jews. Do you understand why the Jewish

community are concerned?

Well, if you'd like to show me video

footage,

of anyone chanting anything that is a racist,

a juvenile, and so on, if it exists.

But guess what? I have not seen it.

I've looked at all the footages. I've even

looked at GB News' footage and so on.

Yeah. And you never see anyone Mhmm. Even

you guys don't show anyone So citing racist

or genocidal I don't statements. I think the

I think the sort of Are you saying

the free Palestine is a genocidal statement? I

think the I think that the, glider images

on the back of the anoraks were pretty

unpleasant, didn't you?

Well, for 1 for 1 individual, it's the

glider image. Yeah. And the police the the

police dealt with those those 2 individuals out

of 100 of 1000 of individuals.

Right? Are are you really going to judge

a lot of 100,000

people by 1 or 2 individuals?

Which the law dealt with. We have showed

a lot of footage over time of chanting

in the streets of many other things that

normally would not be deemed to be acceptable.

Where does all this end in your opinion?

Because,

obviously, is free Palestine saying free Palestine

a statement that you'd condemned? Not just free

Palestine on its own. No. It's everything it's

things that go around that. Like like what?

The abolition of a party? Well, from the

Of treating Palestinians as second class citizens. The

fact that from the river to the

sea has some quite deep connotations when it's

put in a pre Palestinian context. Yeah. Freedom

for everybody. But what's wrong with that? The

United Nations last night passed a resolution Yeah.

Calling on a ceasefire,

and I'm not condemning it because

it did very explicitly say in the resolution

that the hostages

should be released.

Do you think there's any possibility

of negotiations

with Netanyahu?

Well, that remains to be seen because, his

rather, hard right stance

of,

of denying the Palestinians,

any

any state for themselves,

denying them even a one state solution or

just giving them equal rights in the first

place because they'd say that would make a

51% Palestinian majority state, and they don't want

that because of their ethnonationalist

racist policies.

This means that it's very difficult Well to

to,

have any hope of Netanyahu. All we can

hope for is that the the the international

community

and many in the Israeli public themselves pressure

the government to bring to negotiations

to free the the the Jewish hostages that

are held by, Hamas and to free the

3,558

Palestinian hostages

held by the Israeli government under the the

Israelis to detention. Whether the Israelis are racist

or whether they're just battling for self survival,

surrounded by people,

and and, you know, not too far away

around and others that wanna destroy them remains

to be seen. I'm not saying Israeli is

Israeli is in general race. I'm saying that

the Israeli government

has has very publicly avowed racist policies about

wanting to maintain a a, a Jewish majority.

If that that entails,

denying Palestinians,

equal citizenship in the territories that Israel claims

are theirs. If you have people living in

your territory and you say it's theirs, it

belongs to yourself. No. I Give them equal

citizenship then. I understand

I understand the boundary issue. I get that,

Abdul. The only thing that your conversation with

me proves, and equally the conversation we had

coming anytime soon, I'm afraid. In a moment.

coming anytime soon, I'm afraid. In a moment.