The Qur’an and the Bible in the Light of Science – vs Dr William Campbell #1

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AI: Summary © The Islamic circle of North America is holding a dialogue on the title of the Bible in light of science. Dr. William Campbell and Dr. Samuel Nauman present educational training opportunities for Muslims to participate in the community. The speakers discuss the importance of the Bible and its use in the context of the event, including a response session followed by a presentation of the Bible. They also discuss the historical context of the event, including its origins, political and economic context, and its significance in various cultural and political settings. The transcript provides insight into various scientific claims made on the topic of the sun and light, including a claim that the sun is the source of light and a law is on his reflection.
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Old wilhemina shaytani r rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem Rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen Rahmani Raheem Maliki Ahmed Deen yaka, yaka destiny. Deena sirata Mr. Payne sirata lagina nom de la

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la Mola door Nene

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In the Name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful.

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Dr. William Campbell, Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. machacas, Dr. Jamal Badawi, Dr. Samuel Norman and Mr. Sam shamoun.

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distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen

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Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

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Peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon all of you.

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On behalf of the organizers, the Islamic circle of North America, I suggest Sabine Ahmed, welcome all of you to this unique event.

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A dialogue on the topic, the Quran, the Bible in the light of science.

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Again, on behalf of Dr. Campbell, Dr. Zack in Nyack Islamic circle of North America, this dialogue is being held in a spirit of friendship, understanding each other's viewpoints.

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A brief introduction of Ignace activities Islamic circle of North America.

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The goals of Islamic circle of North America are to motivate Muslims to perform the duty of being witnesses unto mankind.

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Offering educational training opportunities to increase the Islamic knowledge and to enhance the character.

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Ignite is also active in opposing immorality and oppression of all forms, supporting efforts for socio economic justice, civil liberties in the society, strengthening the bond of humanity by serving all those in need anywhere in the world, with special focus on our neighborhood across North America. For today's unique dialogue,

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the two main moderators are Dr. Muhammad lyac, representing Dr. Zaki Knight, and Dr. Samuel Nauman, representing Dr. William Campbell.

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It is my duty to ensure a fair and proper conduct of this meeting.

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Therefore, we request our speakers as well as the audience to maintain jus decorum for a healthy dialogue.

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With that, I would request Dr. Samuel Nauman to give the introduction of Dr. William Campbell Assalamualaikum

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Thank you, brother, Mohammed. It's a pleasure and honor to be here.

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here with you this evening. And first of all, I myself with a group of our brothers and sisters from the Christian background really like to thank the Islamic circle of North America and the local people who have organized this unique event. They have done a great job. They have worked very hard. And now we have come to the last moment to be here.

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Dr. William Campbell did his medical work in Cleveland, Ohio at Case Western Reserve University. He worked for 20 years in Morocco, where he learned Arabic. After seven years in Tunisia, he wrote his book, answering Dr. Morris Buckeyes. He is a convinced Christian who likes to explain the injury or the gospel to everyone. At age 74, Dr. Campbell is retired with 10 grandchildren. And we are very thankful and we are really happy to be here with you tonight. Thank you.

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On behalf of the Islamic Research Foundation,

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Dr. Mohammed neck.

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I'm pleased to be amongst you all, along with Dr. Zakir.

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It's a pleasure to be

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here for this unique event and have

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the good pleasure of having scholars like Dr. William Campbell, Dr. Jamal Badawi.

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Dr. machacas, as well as my co colleague, brother, Dr. Samuel Naaman, you're with us.

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I on behalf of brother Samuel and myself, present the format for the dialogue.

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The format as agreed and decided fair by both our speakers is Dr. William Campbell would first address you for 55 minutes on the topic, the Quran and the Bible in the light of science. Then Dr. Zakir Naik at the far end

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would make his presentation for 55 minutes on the same topic.

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This will be followed by a response session in which Dr. Campbell would respond to the matter presented by Dr. Zakir for 25 minutes, followed by Dr. zakhar to responding for 25 minutes to the matter presented by Dr. Campbell.

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Lastly, we would have the open question and answer session in which the audience may pose questions to each speaker alternately, on the question mics provided in the auditorium.

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After the mics, questions are handled, we would allow questions on index cards to be provided by volunteers in the aisles.

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And in the order selected at random by the coordinators, and the advisors to each of the speakers.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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to address you today, Dr. William Campbell.

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greeting to Dr. Knight

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who came almost surely came the farthest

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greeting to Sevilla Ahmed and Mohammed night

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and greeting to the organizing committee.

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calling this the ultimate dialogue is a bit of an exaggeration, but it is good advertising.

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And greetings to you the audience.

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I'd like to also bring greetings in the name of Yahuwah are better known as Jehovah, the great Creator God who loves us.

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I wish to start by speaking about words. Tonight we are going to speak about the words of the Bible and the words of the Koran.

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The scholars of modern linguistics tell us a word or phrase or sentence means what it meant to the speaker and the person or crowd of people listening

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in the case of the car and what it meant to Mohammed and those listening to it.

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In the case of the Bible, what it meant to Moses or Jesus or those listening to them.

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To check this we have the context of all the usages in the Bible or the Koran.

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In addition, there is the poetry and letters of that century for the gospel, the first century AD for the car and the first century of the Asia.

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If we are going to follow the truth, we may not make up new meanings.

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If we're a seriously after truth, there are no permissible lies.

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Here is an example of what I'm talking about.

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Could have the first slide here.

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This is talking about two dictionaries that I have in my home, one from 1951 and 1991. And these two dictionaries, the first meeting, pig, a young swine of either sex is the same.

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The second meaning any swine or hog, any wild or domestic swine, it's the same. Third, the flesh and swine pork is the same.

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Then the meaning a person or animal of piggish habits, it's the same, a person who was gladness. And down here pouring metal into a pig for pig iron is the same. But over here is a new meaning. A police officer

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called police offers pigs.

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All right. The question is,

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in the Torah, it says, You can't eat pigs. Well, can I turn around and say, Oh, yes, that means police officers. You can't eat police officers, of course not.

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In the car, and the law says can't eat pigs. Can I translate it candy police officers know.

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It's wrong. It would be stupid. It would be lying. Actually. Mohammed did not mean police officers. Moses did not mean police officers. We may not have any new meanings. We must use the meanings known in the first century AD for the Bible, or that is for the gospel, and the first century of the hazera for the Koran.

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Now, let us look at what the Koran is great says about embryology.

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Oh sorry, got the wrong thing.

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It has been said that the idea of the embryo developing through stages is a modern one. And that the Koran is anticipating modern embryology by depicting different stages. In a pamphlet entitled highlights of human embryology by Keith law more, Dr. Moore claims the realization that the embryo develops in stages in the uterus was not discussed or illustrated until the 15th century.

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We will weigh this claim by considering the meaning of the Arabic words used by the Koran. And secondly, by examining the historical situation leading up to and surrounding the Koran.

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We will start by looking at the main words using the word Allah aka main versus the Arabic word Allah Chi in the singular Allah as the collective plural is used six times.

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In the survey of the resurrection of clay Amma 7535. To 39 we read was he man not a drop of sperm ejaculated, then he became olika and God shaped and formed and made of him a pair the male and the female, in the center of the believer and movement 4067 it says, He it is Who created you from dust, then from a sperm drop, then from a leech like clot. alika then brings you forth as a child, that perhaps you may understand.

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In the SIR of the pilgrimage, el Hajj, 22 five it says, all mankind, if you have doubt about the resurrection, consider that we have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot alaka then from a little lump of flesh, shapely and shapeless. And finally, the fullest treatment is in the sort of the believers of movement noon 2312 to 14, which reads fairly, we created man from a product of wet Earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging. Then we fashion the drop a clock olika and of the clot we fashion the lump and of the lump we fashion bones and we closed the bones with meat. Then we produced it as another creation.

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And here you have the stages according to the current notice burn alika clot mudaraba a piece of meat and bones and the fifth stage dressing the bones with muscles.

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Over the last 100 plus years this word olika has been translated as follows.

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There's 10 translations here I'm not going to read them all three are in French, where it says I'm going to load a song or a clot of blood three versions

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Five versions are English where it's either clot or leech like clot.

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One version is in Indonesian at the bottom of their signum pile darra lump of or clot of blood. And the last one is Farsi, who in basta clot of blood, as every reader who is studying human reproduction will realize there is no stage as a clot during the formation of fetus, though that so this is a very major scientific problem

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in the dictionaries of war and have the nor the only meanings given for olika in this feminine singular are clot and Leach. And in North Africa, both of these meanings are still used.

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Many patients have come to me to ask for a clot to be removed from their throat. And many women have come to me and told me their period didn't come. When I say I'm sorry, I can't give you a medicine to bring your period because I believe that's a baby. They would say, muzzles dim it's still blood.

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So they were understanding these ideas of the Koran. Lastly, we must consider the first verses which came to Mohammed and Mecca. These are found in the 96 Sora, called Allah clots from the very word that we're studying.

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In 90 612, we read proclaim, in the name of your Lord who created created man from Allah.

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Here the word is in the collective plural. This form of the word can have other meanings because Allah is also the derived verbal noun of the verb alika.

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The verbal noun usually corresponds to the Geron in English as in the sentence swimming as fun.

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Therefore, we could expect it to mean hanging or clinging or adhering.

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But the 10 translators listed above have all used clap or congealed blood in this verse to

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in spite of the number and qualifications of these translators who use the word clock, the French Dr. Morris boo Chi has sharp words for them. He writes, what is more likely to mislead the inquiring reader is once again the problem of vocabulary.

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The majority of translations describe for example, man's formation from a blood clot. A state under this kind is totally unacceptable to scientists specializing in the field.

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This shows how great the importance of an association between linguistic and scientific knowledge is when it comes to grasping the meaning of Quranic statements on reproduction.

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Put in other words, Wu Chi is saying, nobody has translated the Koran correctly until I Dr. Wu Chi came along.

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How does Dr. Wu Chi think that it should be translated. He proposes that instead of clock the word Allah should be translated as something which claims which would refer to the fetus being attached to the uterus through the placenta.

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But as all you ladies who've been pregnant now, the thing which clings doesn't stop, it's clinging to become chewed meat. It keeps on being the thing which clings which is attached by the placenta for eight and a half months.

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Thirdly, these verses say that the chewed meat becomes bones and then the bones are covered with muscle. They give the impression that first the skeleton is formed, and then it is closed with flesh. And Dr. Buckeye knows perfectly well that this is not true.

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The muscles in the cartilage precose cursors of the bone start forming from the soul mind at the same time.

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At the end of the eighth week, there are only a few centers of ossification started, but the fetus is already able to make muscular movement.

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In a personal letter from Dr. tw Sadler, who's associate professor in embryo anatomy, and the author of Langlands medical embryology, Dr. Stan Sadler states, at the eighth week post fertilization, the ribs would be cartilaginous, not bone and muscles would be present. Also at this time, ossification would just begin

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muscles would be a capable of some movement at eight weeks. It's always better to have two witnesses. So we shall see what Dr. Keith Moore has to say about the development of bones and muscles in his book The delicate developing human

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extracted from chapters 15 and 17. We find the following information.

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The skeletal skeletal system developed from

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the limb muscles develop in the limb buds that are derived from this somatic mesoderm. We see that here on this slide.

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It's difficult perhaps to see, but there's the limb bud

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and then here there's just a little bit of cartilage. With the muscles around here there's more cartilage and this is the whole

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But the bones are formed and in the form of bones but it's all cartilage, no bones yet.

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The second slide shows how it forms here's a here's the cartilage though just the bone is looks like part cartilage and then it starts to have some calcium deposited. And then it starts to have ossification and bone form.

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As the bone models form, sorry.

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I want to go back to this as the bone models form. myoblast develop a large muscle mass in each limb but separating into extensor and flexor muscles. In other words, the limb muscles develop simultaneously for the mesenchymal surrounding the developing bones. So there's the cartilage, and here are the muscles developing around the cartilage.

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During a personal conversation with Dr. Moore, I showed him Dr. Sadler statement, and he agreed that it was absolutely a valid conclusion. Dr. Sadler and Dr. Moore agree. There is no time when calcified bones have been formed, and then the muscles are placed around them.

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The muscles are there several weeks before there are calcified bones rather than being added around previously formed bones as the Koran states, the current is in complete error here. The problems are far from being solved.

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Let us really return to olika. Dr. Moore also has a suggestion. He says another verse in the car and refers to the leech like appearance and the chewed light stages of human development. From this definition, Dr. Moore has gone ahead to propose that a 2330 day a 23 day embryo three millimeters long, that's an eighth of an inch, I can hardly put my fingers that close together without touching.

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This is Carnegie stage 10, shown on the inside cover of Moore's book.

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This is the beginning.

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And here's the sperm entering the egg. So that's stage one comes down here to stage six in the second week.

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And here is the third week. And there's it's thirst gauge 10. And here is day 23. And this is what Dr. Moore wants to say looks like a leech.

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If we could look further though, and look at the X ray, here's day 22. And the bond backbone is still open. And when we look at day 23, the backbone is open there and it's open there and the head is wide open, it doesn't look like a leech at all.

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And if you keep on and this, this is a diagram of it, the head is open and they're not rostral neurocore.

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And finally, this diagram shows there's the there is the the 20 day embryo, it's got a yolk sac, it's got an ombre like us, it doesn't look like a leech at all.

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The problem. The great problem with these new definitions for the word olika is that no confirming examples have been provided from the Arab Arabic used in the centuries surrounding the hazera. The only way to establish the meaning of the word is by usage. The only way to establish whether the singular form alaka can mean a three millimeter embryo, or the thing that cleans is to bring sentences demonstrating this usage from the literature of the Arabs of Mecca and Medina, close to the time of Mohammed, especially from the language of the Quran.

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This will not be an easy task. Because much work has already been done on the clear Arabic of the koresh. The early Muslims understood intuitively the need to know exactly what the Quranic words mean. And for this reason, they made comprehensive studies of their language and poetry. Hamza boubakeur, former rector of the main mosque in Paris, brought up this subject at a conference on the one God and mon pilea. In 1985. He posed the question to the audience has the comprehension of the text of the car and known at the time of Mohammed remains stable? And his answer was ancient poetry shows that it has, we can only only conclude if the verses which brings spiritual comfort and hope

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to Muslims have remained stable, then the scientific statements embedded in those verses must also be accepted as stable unless new evidence can be brought forward.

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This is especially important since some of the verses say that this information is a sign the SIR of the believer as we saw

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Above says, he is He it is Who created you from dust, then from a sperm drop, then from a clot alaka that perhaps you may understand. And in the SIR of the pilgrimage he said, Oh mankind if you have doubt about the resurrection consider. Therefore, the question must be asked, asked, if it was a clear sign to the men and women of Mecca and Medina, what did they understand from the word alaka, which would lead them to faith in the resurrection?

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The answer,

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we're going to examine the historical situation leading up to the time of Mohammed to see what Mohammed and his people believed about embryology.

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We will start with Hippocrates. According to the best evidence he was born on the Greek island of coast and 460 BC, and he has stages. His stages are as follows.

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The sperm is a product which comes from the whole body of each parent, weak sperm coming from the weak parts, and strong sperm from the strong parts. Then he goes ahead and talks about the coagulation of the mother's blood. The seed embryo then is contained in the membrane. Moreover, it grows because of its mother's blood, which descends to the womb. For once a woman conceives she sees his two men straight,

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then about flesh.

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He says at this stage with a descendant, coagulation of the mother's blood, flesh begins to form with the be formed with the umbilicus. And lastly, bones. He says, as the flesh grows, it is formed into distinct members. By breath, the bones grow hard, like it and send out branches like a tree.

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Next, we will look at Aristotle.

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In his book on the generation of animals, sometime about 350 BC, he gives his stages of embryology

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and he talks about first semen and menstrual blood or catamenial.

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In this section, Aristotle speaks of the male semen as being in a pure state. It follows that what the female would contribute to the semen of the male would be material for the semen to work on. In other words, the semen clots the menstrual blood, then he goes to flesh. He says, nature forms this from the purest material the flesh, and from the residue thereof, it forms bones. And lastly, around the flesh around the bones and attached to them by thin fibrous bands grow the fleshly parts. Clearly the Koran follows this exactly. Sperm clotting the menstrual fluid which forms meat, then the bones are formed, and lastly around about the bones grow the fleshly parts.

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Next we will consider Indian medicine.

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The in the opinion of sharika and 123 ad and sushruta is that both the male and female contributed seat. The secretion of the male is called the sukra semen. The secretion of the woman is called Art of our Sonata blood, and it is derived from the blood by way of food by way of blood. Here we see that in the medicine of India, they too had the idea that the child was formed from semen and blood. Now we shall look at Galen Galen was born in 131 ad in pergamum, nor modern burger man Turkey.

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GALEN says on semen the substance from which the fetus is formed is not merely menstrual blood is Aristotle maintain but menstrual blood plus the to Siemens. The car and agrees with Galen here when it says in Surah 76. We created man from a drop of mingled sperm.

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Now we'll look at the Galen stages. GALEN also taught that the embryo developed in stages. The first is that in which the form of the semen prevails

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The next stage is when it has been filled with blood and heart and brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped. This is the period that Hippocrates, Hippocrates called fetus, the Quranic Surah 22 five reflects this saying, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed.

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And now the third period of gestation has come.

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This thus it it nature caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones.

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We saw above that the car and agrees with this in Surah 2314 where it says and we closed the bones with meat, the fourth and final period

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Sorry the fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts of the in the limbs have been differentiated.

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GALEN was so important in medicine that just about the time of the Hazra for leading medical men in Alexandria Egypt decided to form a medical school using 16 books of Galen as the basis of the studies. This considered continued up to and including the 13th century.

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We must now ask ourselves what was the political, economic and medical situation in Arabia at the time of Mohammed

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from the hadramaut in Yemen, the caravans of the Spanish spice trade pass north through Mecca and Medina and then reached into all of Europe, in North Arabia and about 500 ad that NASA needs to go over. And by 528, they control the Syrian desert over to the outskirts of Medina. Syriac a form of Aramaic related to Arabic was their official language. As early as 463, the Jews translated the Torah and Old Testament from Hebrew into Syriac. The British Museum has a copy. This made it available to the Hassan who are Christians and to the Jewish tribes in Arabia

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during this time sergius assignee, who died in cancer no cats Constantinople and 536. One of the earliest and greatest translators from Greek into Syriac, translated various works on medicine, including 26 works of Galen.

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This made them available in the kingdom of Husserl, one in Persia, into the last sand tribe whose influence extended to the outskirts of Medina.

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Classroom one Arabic kisara king of Persia, was known as cuts through the great

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his troops conquered areas as far away as Yemen. And he also loved learning and started several schools.

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The schools in the shop or became during customer ones long reign of 48 years, the greatest intellectual center of the time. within its walls Greek, Jewish, nestorian, Persian and Hindu thought and experience were freely exchanged. Teaching was done largely in Syriac, from Syriac translations of Greek texts. This meant that Aristotle Hippocrates and Galen were readily available when the medical school agenda shop war was operating during his reign.

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The next step was that the conquering Arabs compelled the historians to translate their Syriac texts of Greek medicine into Arabic. The translation from Syriac to Arabic was easy, as the two languages had the same grammar.

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Concerning the local medical situation during Mohammed's life we know there were physicians living in Arabia during this period

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hiraeth ben kaleida was the best educated physician trained in the healing arts. He was born about the middle of the sixth century at TAFE, in the tribe of Benny theca.

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He traveled through Yemen and then Persia, where he received his education in the medical sciences at the great Medical School of God shop poor and thus was intimately acquainted with the medical teachings of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen.

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Having completed his studies to practice as a physician in Persia. And during this time, he was called to the court of King hospital, with whom he had a long conversation. He came back to Arabia about the beginning of Islam and settled down at TAFE.

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While there Abu hare a king of Yemen came to see him in connection connection with a certain disease, and then being cured rewarded him with much money in a slave girl.

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The hiraeth been collided did not write any book on medicine, his views on many medical problems are preserved, preserved in this conversation with us through about the eye, he says that is constituted of fat, which is the white part

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about the wood, and then the second is constituted with water which is the black part and have wind which constitutes the ice site. Well, these things we know to be wrong now, but this was Greek thought. All this goes to show the acquaintance of hiraeth with the Greek doctors summarizing the situation in a few words in his book has eastward to limits in Arab. Dr. Lucien Leclerc writes, Horace Mann culatta study medicine agenda shop for and Mohammed Oda Hari is a part of his medical knowledge. Thus with with us with the one as well as the other we easily recognize the traces of Greek medicine. Sometimes Mohammed treated the sick, but in the difficult cases he would send the

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patients to hurry

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educated man person around Mohammed

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was nadder been heartbeat. not related to the doctor. He was a parasite and cousin of Mohammed and had also visited the court of Castro. He had learned Persian and music which he introduced among the car Corporation at Mecca.

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However, he was not sympathetic to Mohammed, mocking some of the stories in the Koran. Mohammed never forgave him for this. And when he was taken prisoner at the Battle of Bader, he caused him to be put to death. In summary, we see that one Arabs living in Mecca and Medina in 600 had political and economic relations with people from Ethiopia, Yemen, Persia and Byzantine a cousin of Mohammed new Persian will enough to do his musical studies in three the Hassan tribe which ruled the Syrian desert over to the gates of Medina, you Syriac one of the main languages used to teach medicine and jindee shapur is their official language. And the real king of Yemen came to life to consult a

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physician, Hadith and colada, who had been trained were at your indie shop for the best medical school in that world and to whom Mohammed sometimes said patience. Five, during Mohammed's lifetime, a new medical school was established in Alexandria, using the 16 books of Galen as their texts. This all shows that there was ample opportunity for Mohammed and the people around him to have heard in the embryo logical theories of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen, when they went to seek treatment from hearth Ben colada and other local doctors. That's when the Koran says in the late Meccans, sort of the believer 4067 He it is Who created you from dust, then from a sperm drop, then from a leech

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like clot, that perhaps you may understand. And then in the future of the pilgrimage all mankind if you have doubt about the resurrection, consider what we have created that we have created you from dust. It is correct for us to ask again, what were they to understand?

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What were they to consider?

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And here are the Quranic stages, again, not for sperm, aka clot mudaraba piece of meat and bones, and five dressing the bones with muscles. The answer is very clear. They were understanding and considering that which was common knowledge, the embryo logical stages as taught by the Greek physicians, I don't mean that Mohammed's listeners all knew the names of the Greek physicians, but they knew the embryo logical stages of the Greek physicians. They believed that the male sperm mixed with a female menstrual blood to cause it to clot and this, this became the baby, too. They believe there was a time when the fetus was formed and unformed. Three, they believed the bones formed first

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and then were covered with muscle. A law was using that common knowledge as a sign encouraging the listeners and readers to turn to him. The trouble is that this common knowledge was and is not true.

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Arab physicians after Mohammed, we must now look at two well known physicians from the period after Mohammed. Obviously, they had no effect on the Koran. But they demonstrated that faith in the embryo logical ideas of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen, continued among the Arabs right up to the 1600s. If the correct translation of Allah cause Leach like substance, as modern Muslims, like Shabbir Ali claim, there is no place where these post Quranic doctors said so. In fact, it's just the opposite. The ideas of these Greek physicians were being used to explain the Koran and the Koran was quoted to enlighten the meaning of the Greek physicians.

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The human being takes its origin from to this is speaking about it, even a sinner or IV Center, the human being takes its origin from two things the male sperm which plays the part of factor the female sperm, first part of the menstrual blood which provides the matter. Thus, we see that even though seino gave the female semen exactly the same role that Aristotle had assigned to the menstrual blood. It is difficult to overstate the importance of hypno Siena as a scientific and philosophical authority for the pre modern Europeans.

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Then we're going to look at even Chi email Xiao Xia

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even came took full advantage of the agreement being between Quranic revelation and Greek medicine.

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This is not very clear probably.

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But the Hippocrates is it purplish.

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And the Koran is in bold type green, and the head dates is in purple, and commentaries are in red and his own thoughts

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And sort of a blue green.

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So it starts out he's giving. He says Hippocrates said in the third chapter of Khattab agenda,

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agenda, Elijah. The semen is contained in a membrane and it grows because of the blood of its mother which descends to the womb. Some membranes are formed at the beginning, others after the second month, and others in the third month, and this spray is about the blood descending to the womb. We saw it when we looked at Hippocrates slide. That is why God said, Here the Koran is mentioned he creates you in the womb of your mother's by one formation after another in three darknesses. That's Korean 939 six. Then he gives his own ideas since each of these membranes has its own darkness. When God mentioned the stages of creation and transformation from one state to another. He also mentioned

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the darkness of the membranes. Most commentators explain and here are the words that the commentators it is the darkness of the belly and the darkness of the womb and the darkness of the placenta.

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In a second example, we read

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hockridge Park, Hippocrates said, the mouth opens up spontaneously, and the nose and ears are formed from the flesh. The ears are open and the eyes which are filled with a clear liquid.

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The Prophet used to say, I worship Him who made my face and formed it and open my hearing, and I say, and stroke off so forth. Here we look at Hippocrates again, and they're in the second stage is the same thing we just read. Even though Hyeme is quoting a pocket die tuck Hippocrates and speaks of the mother's blood descends around the membrane. He could do this. As we have seen, because the educated people of Mohammed's time were familiar with Greek medicine.

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However, what is important for us here today to realize is

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that there is no place where the Koran corrected Greek medicine, there is no place where even came with shouting, Hey, you guys, you got it this all wrong. The correct meaning of alekos that which clings or Leach like substance. On the contrary, even came was demonstrating the agreement between the Koran and the Greek medicine, their agreement in error, a final witnesses the commentary of Badawi and 1200 ad.

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Here we have the commentary, we have the air the we have the car and here we have is Karen core is commentary. And here it's been translated. And he says then from olika, a piece of solid blood is his explanation of Allah, Allah cause underlined that's from the Quran. And here's his explanation, a piece of solid blood. Then he goes on then from a piece of meat from the car and a piece of meat originally as much as can be chewed and so forth.

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As I mentioned at the beginning of this study, it has been said that the idea of the embryo developing through stages is a modern one, and that the Koran is anticipating modern modern embryology by depicting different stages. Yet we have seen that Aristotle, Hippocrates, the Indians, and Galen, have all discussed the stages of embryological development during the 1000 years before the Koran and after the coming of the car. And the account of the different stages, as described by the Koran and the Greek doctors was carried on in the teachings of avid Sena and even claim

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and is essentially the same as that taught by Galen and those proceeding him. Concerning concerning the bone stage. It's clear, as Dr. Moore demonstrated so capably in his textbook, that muscles start forming from the so mites at the same time as the cartilage models of the bones. There's no bone stage where there's a skeleton sitting here and then and then the muscles are plastered around it.

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It's equally clear that alika in the car and means clot, and that the car is who heard Mohammed speaking understood him to be referring to the menstrual blood as the female contribution to the developing baby. Therefore, we can conclude that during all these years, the Quranic verses on embryology, saying that man has created from a drop of sperm which becomes a clot. We're in perfect accord with a science so the first century of the Hazra of the time of the Quran. But when compared with a modern science of the 20th century, Hippocrates is in error. Aristotle is in error. GALEN is in error, and the Carroll Koran is in error. They are all in serious error.

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Now we're going to look at a little bit about moonlight.

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Does the current state that the moon gives off reflected light from the sun before this was common knowledge? In the Sora na 71 1516 it says, See not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light nor in their midst and made the sun as a lamp see ratash

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The moon is called the light Arabic nor, and the sun a lamp Suresh. Some Muslims claim that since the Koran uses different words, speaking from both the light of the sun and the light of the moon, it reveals that the sun is a source of light. While the moon only reflects light. This claim is implied very strongly by Shabbir Ali in his booklet science in the car app, and stated clearly by Dr. Zakir Naik in his video is the car and God's word, as you will now see clearly

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the light that we have

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the light that you obtain from the moon, where does it come from? He will tell me that previously we thought that the light of the moon was its own light.

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But today after science advanced we have come to know that the light of the moon is not its own light, but it's the reflected light of the sun.

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I will ask him a question

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that it is mentioned in the Quran. In Surah Al procon chapter number 25, was done with 61 bless that is He Who has created the constellation and placed that in a lamp and the moon,

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which has reflected light.

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The Arabic word for Moon is kamar. And the light described there is money which is borrowed light, or nude, which is a reflection of light. The Quran mentioned that the light of the moon is reflected light. You say you discovered it today? How come it's mentioned the front 1400 years ago?

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We'll pause for a time you will reply immediately. And then may say maybe maybe it's a fluke.

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I don't like to with him, per se.

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Near the end of the video we heard Dr. nyck explain. The Arabic word for Moon is kamar and the light described there as Munir which is borrowed light or nor which is a reflection of light. Please do not forget what he said. Munira is borrowed light, and nor is reflected light. Not only is this claim to be a statement in keeping with scientific truth, but it is also claimed to be scientifically miraculous. Since this was supposedly only discovered relatively recently.

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It is correct that the moon does not emit its own light, but only reflects the light of the sun. But this was known already almost 1000 years before Mohammed.

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Aristotle in about 360 bc discussed knowing that the earth was round by its shadow on the moon. He could only speak of the earth shadow crossing the moon if he knew that moonlight is reflected light. If you still insist that this is a miracle of scientific knowledge, then we must ask ourselves do the Quranic words themselves support this claim? Siraj first we shall look at Siraj and Sora Noah which was right above and surround for con 2725 61. It is simply lamp referring to the sun is Sora nabba 7813 series Gen Y Gen means a dazzling lamp again indicating the sun.

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The words nor and Moon air come from the same Arabic word

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route. The word Munir is used six times in the car and four times Sora Selim ran three 184 el-hadji 22 eight lookman 3120 and five to 3535. It is the phrase key tab and more near which use of Valley translate as a book of enlightenment. And pick tall uses the scripture giving light. Clearly this indicates a book which is radiating the light of knowledge. Nothing about reflection, nor

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it says in Surah Noah 7116 and Eunice 10 five that alone made the light the moon alight. Thus we find that the Koran says that the moon is alight and it never says that the moon reflects light

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Moreover, in other verses the Koran says that a law is a nor a light surah nor 2435 one of the most beautiful passages in the car and reads, a law is the light nor of the heavens and narrows. The Parable of his light is as if there was a niche, a niche, and within it a lamp, the lamp enclosed in glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star and so forth. Thus we see that the word newer is used for both the moon and all law. Are we going to say that a law gives off reflected light? I think not. But if you continue to insist that newer used for the moon means borrowed or reflected light. And we saw above that a law is the light nor of the heavens and the earth. What is the source of

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this light, Siraj of which a lie is only a reflection? Think about it. If Allah is named, nor are reflected light, who or what is the Suresh? Well, the Koran tells us who the Siraj is, but the answer will shock you.

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In surah, Allah as Azad 3345 46 we find old prophet truly we have Cynthia as a witness, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner and as a lamp spreading light. Here it says it Mohammed is the lamp spreading light. In Arabic it is was Sarah Jen Munira,

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linguistically and spiritually This is the end of the discussion. linguistically, Suresh and the adjective Munir are used together for the same shining thing. The person Mohammed, it's clear Monier does not mean reflected light in this verse or in any other verse, it means shining. The people in Mohammed Stein understood that the moon was shining and they were right. Just as the people Moses time understood that the sun was the greater light in the Latin moon, the lesser light and they were right. But if you insist the Arabic words nor and Moon era mean reflected light, then based on the use of these words in the car, and Mohammed is like the sun and realize like the moon does. Dr.

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Knight really wants to say that Mohammed is the source of light and the law is on his reflection. Why are these so called scientific claims made which no Muslim can support if he makes a serious study of his own Korra? In a dialogue like tonight, it makes honest discussion very difficult, almost impossible.

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Let us go on and look at the watercycle.

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Some Muslims another author, some Muslim authors claimed that the Koran shows pre scientific knowledge of watercycle.

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What is the water cycle?

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Here in this slide, you see, four steps. The first step is evaporation. The water evaporates from the seas and the earth. Second step, it becomes clouds. Third step it gives rain. And fourth, this rain causes the plants to grow. Since all very straightforward, and everybody knows two, three, and four, even if they live in a town, they know that clouds come and rain comes in their flowers grow.

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But what about step one?

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The evaporation, you can't see it. It's difficult, and the car and does not have step one.

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Now we're going to look at a profit from the Bible profit from 700 BC, prophet Amos.

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And he writes,

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he who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns black was blackness into dawn and darkness. Darkness darkens day into night.

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And then who calls for the waters of the sea stage one and pours them out over the face of the land stage three, the Lord Yahweh is his name.

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And what one other prophet

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is Joe

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and 3626 28

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at least 1000 years before the hazera

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he says how great is God beyond our understanding the number of his years is passed finding out stage one he draws up the droplets of water, which distill from the mist as rain, that's stage three. And then the clouds are mentioned stage true stage two which pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind. So here in the Bible, these difficult stage one is there for more than 1000 years before the car