The Qur’an and the Bible in the Light of Science – vs Dr William Campbell #5

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Thank you Dr. Campbell, Dr. Zakir Naik, for your presentations as well as the response. Lastly, we have the audience participation session, namely the question and answer session

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to extract maximum benefit in the limited time of 60 minutes approximately that we have available, we would like the following rules to be observed.

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Your question should be only on the topic, the Quran and the Bible in the light of the subject of science

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questions out of the topic would not be entertained.

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Kindly state your question briefly and to the point.

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This is not a lecture time, neither a counter Question Time for the questioners

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Dr. William Campbell and Dr. Zakir Naik should answer comprehensibly and each answer should not exceed five minutes.

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Four mics have been provided in the auditorium for the questions from the mics

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to next to the stage for the gents and two in the rare of the center aisles for the ladies.

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Those who would like to put forward a question to Dr. William Campbell may kindly queue up behind the mics on my left Jensen the front ladies in the rare and those who would like to put forward a question to Dr. Zakir may kindly line up behind the mics on my right, gents in the front, and the ladies in the red. I would like the audience in the balcony. To kindly Excuse us. We are happy that this is a full session jam packed Hall. But we request you to kindly take the trouble to come down to the mics if you'd like to put forward a question.

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Only one question at a time may be put forward.

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If you have a second question you'd have to line up behind. Again to put forward a second question. written questions on index cards available from the volunteers in the aisles would be given secondary preference. After the questions on the mics are handled by the speakers.

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Please write on the card to whom your question is addressed Dr. William Campbell or Dr. Zakir Naik so that they can be put in the appropriate boxes in front of you transparent boxes with the names Dr. William Campbell and Dr. Zakir and I put on them so that the questions could be shaken up by the coordinators and the speakers themselves could select the questions at random. These would be screened by the panel of the speakers to see that they are relevant and on the topic and okayed by the coordinators to be put forward on the coordinators mic with the speakers would have to answer. Kindly state your name and profession before putting forward your question. We will allow one

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question at a time in a zigzag fashion alternately addressed to each speaker. So first question next to the stage. Second question next to the stage. Third question on my left in the rare fourth question in the rear on my right, and so on.

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We would allow approximately 40 minutes for these questions. Then we switch over to the questions on the slips, maybe have the first question from the mic on my left for Dr. William Campbell. I would like to ask Dr. Campbell in Genesis. It says when it talks about the flood, Noah flood, it talks about that the water covered the surface of the earth, all the creations and all the mountains and everything. And it says that it covers the highest mountain of on earth. And that was 15 cubits which is an Arabic 15 foot you know garden. So we know scientifically that the highest mountain on earth is not 15 foot You know, it is a lot higher than that. So how come the in Genesis it says that

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the water covered everything. Every single mountain in earth and the highest was 15 foot.

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Thank you for your question. I think it's saying that that is above the highest mountain.

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If the highest mountain is 3000 meters, well then the highest that it's 15 feet over 15 foots above it.

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brother will not allow any questions in between no contact questions please let the questioner put his question full stop. Then the speaker gives his answer in what

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The manner he chooses, thank you. And I looked into this in the car in the car, and I think it actually would be understood to be the same way because it says in Surah 11, verse 40, the fountains of the earth gushed forth, and the waves like mountains. And then it says that in, in the places where it gives a list of prophets, there's no prophet before Noah.

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And so if the I know Adam can be a prophet, but I'm so Noah as is listed, and I think that it says in the car and to that the whole world was covered.

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Yes, brother.

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The question for Dr. Zucker. Nice. Dr. rocker, you said that there is a mistake Excuse me, excuse me. The second question would come from the mic on my right for Dr. Zakir.

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Okay, um, you said that Allah reflects light. And, um, he's made a No,

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I didn't really understand that.

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That was the question he didn't understand my explanation to the counter argument of the William Campbell regarding nude and Allah. The Quran says in Surah, Chapter 24 was modified, that Allah is numerous amavasya Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth is the light, the meaning of light in the Quran, it is the fact of life about our life. So he's asking, does it mean that even Allah has got borrowed light? So the answer is given further, if you read in the verse, it says that it's like a parable of a niche in the niche there is a lamp, lamp or the light of its own. That means Allah has light of its own, as well as that light of its own is also being reflected. The light of

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Allah subhanaw taala is again being reflected by Allah subhanaw taala himself, like a halogen lamp that you see here, it has a tube in between the lamp, you can refer to that as Raja Raja dia, and the reflector, as money or new borrowed light or reflection of light.

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And furthermore, but natural this light actually doesn't refer to the physical light or talking about it is a spiritual act of Allah subhanaw taala. But as an answer I've given to, not to William Campbell. And since I've got five minutes, I would like to utilize it. For William Campbell. You have a reply to numerous alum, I am a person who the concardis approach with the Bible and conflict approach with the Quran was both with 100 Allah grounded positivist and even if I agree with Dr. William Campbell, and I agree with him, it is right that it was 15 feet above the highest mountain. But it's mentioned in Genesis chapter number seven was from 19 and 20, that the full world was

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submerged underwater. And furthermore, archaeological evidence shows today and the time of Noah's time, if you calculate by genealogy, it comes to in the 21st to 22nd century BC. Archaeological evidence shows today that the third dynasty of Babylon and dynasty of Egypt were present at the 21st and 22nd century BC, and there was no evidence of flood and remain uninterrupted. Therefore, critical evidence shows that it's impossible that the Earth was submerged the full Earth was submerged underwater in the 21st 22nd century BC. What about the Quran? What about the Quran? Why number one, Quran does not give a date by the 21st century BC, or 15th century BC noted point number

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two, nowhere does the Quran say the full world was submerged underwater. It speaks about dualism and its form and its people. A small group of people or maybe a large group of people, archaeological evidences till today and archaeology they say that we have no objection it's possible that parts of the world was submerged underwater, but full world it's not possible. So hamdulillah the Quran is matching with the latest discovering archaeology, but the Bible does not. Furthermore, if you read Genesis chapter number six, verse number 1516. It speaks about Almighty God telling you Allah salam, that build an app and it gives the length 300 cubic feet in length, 50 cubits and breadth and height

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at the qubit qubit is one and a half feet, the brother made a mistake in one and a half feet. And a New International Version it says 450 feet in length, and 75 feet in breath. And approximately 45 feet in height. It's up to you but in height. If you measure this have done the calculation, it comes to less than 150,000 cubic feet in volume and area wise 33,750 and the Bible says there were three flows round flow first story second story, so multiply by three you get an answer of 101,250 square feet. That is area. Imagine

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pair of all the species of the world was accommodated in 101,250 square feet. Imagine Is it possible millions of species out there in the world? If I tell him this auditorium

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1 million people came in this auditorium Will you believe?

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I remember.

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I think last year, I had given a talk in Kerala. And there are 1 million people that is the biggest gathering of salmonella laskaris. 1 million people. I could not see the end. It was not an auditorium. It was a big beach. I couldn't see anyone. Only few people in the front that's all few compared to the 1 million people that were there. If you see on the video, gotta realize how big is 1 million, somewhat like arafat, you see two and a half million people

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in a area of 101,250 square feet 150,000 cubic feet, it is impossible. And above that they stayed for 40 days eating going for Call of nature. If 1 million people came in order, will you believe

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so scientifically? There are several things in which there are gross scientific errors in the Bible. Can we have the next question for Dr. Campbell from the mica DeRay.

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Dr. Knight?

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This question is for Dr. Campbell. Okay, so the next person who'd like to ask a question for Dr. Campbell. Yes. I'd like to pose this question or other

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this test to Dr. William Campbell. Why don't you attempt the falsification test of the Bible given on the book of Mark, chapter 16, verses 17 and 18.

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and prove to the audience here, right now that you are a true Christian believer?

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Well, I don't agree with Dr. Mike's interpretation. Gods, Jesus himself was tempted. And the devil said, Well, if you're the Son of God, throw yourself off the temple. And Jesus said, you will not tempt the larger guy.

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And so if I was to say and say, Oh, yes, I'm going to be sure and do a miracle in front of you. I would be tempting God. My friend Harry Radcliffe, he had promised to go and so he decided to keep his promise and trust God to do his well.

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It's a different situation. I will not tempt God.

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question for Dr. Lightman. Maybe the question in the rare the sister, she's a she's for Dr. Night. All the time at the back.

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Do you have a question for Dr. Night in the back? Ladies? Yes. Okay. My question is just Dr. Zack and I, the Christians explained the concept of Trinity scientifically, by giving the example of water which can be in three states solid, liquid and gas in the form of ice, water and vapor. Similarly, one God is a trait try you and God Father, Son and Holy Ghost, is this explanation scientifically correct.

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Just to come and refer you the answer.

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We should not tempt God should not test God. But yeah, we aren't testing God. We are testing the human being. We should not test God. But here we are testing you and God promises that any believer who has deadly poison he will not die. He will speak in foreign tongues. We aren't testing God we know God is correct. He will see to it that every believer can speak we are testing you whether you're a believer or not. Coming to the question of the sister, that there are Christians who say that scientifically, we can prove the concept of Trinity like how water can be in three states solid, liquid and gas like ice water and vapor. So similarly, God is in three forms. Father, Son and

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Holy Ghost.

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How to reply and is this scientifically correct? scientifically I do agree water can mean three forms solid, liquid and gas, life, water and vapor. But scientifically we also know that the component of water remains the same as 202 atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen, the components remain the same. The constituent remains the same, the forms keep on changing, there is no problem. Let's check with the concept of Trinity. concept of Trinity. Father Son Holy Ghost form is a form changes. Okay for sake of argument agree, does the component change. God and Holy Ghost is made of spirit. You made me not made of flesh and bones, then the same. You made me required to eat. God

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doesn't require to eat to survive and the same and this is certified by Jesus Christ peace be upon himself in the Gospel of Luke chapter number 24 verse number 36 to 39

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He says that behold, my hands and feet handed me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. He says, Behold my hands and feet, handed me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bone. And he gave his hand and the saw and they were overjoyed. And he said that Do you have any meat to eat, and they gave him broiled fish and a piece of honeycomb. And he ate to prove that it was God, to prove that he was not God. Yet, and the flesh and bones, a spirit has got no flesh and bone. This proves that it is scientifically not possible that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, Father jfp, the Holy Ghost is Almighty God, and the concept of Trinity. The word Trinity

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doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible. The word Trinity is not there in the Bible, but it is in the Quran.

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Koran says in Surah Nisa, chapter four was 171, it says wala Taku selasa. Don't say Trinity in the Hydra calm, this estoppel is better for you.

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than it is also the chapter number five was number 17. He says, Look at conferences in a pallu in the la sala de la they are doing cuff they are blaspheming those who say that Allah is three in money, the time God, Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never said he was God. The concept of tree doesn't exist in the Bible. The only verse which is closest to the concept of Trinity is the first epistle of john chapter number five, verse number seven, which says four there are three that bear icon in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. But if you read the Revised Standard Version, revised by title scholars, Christian scholars have the highest

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eminence backed by 50 different copy denominations. They say this verse of the Bible, first epistle of john chapter five verse number seven is an interpolation is a concoction is a fabrication, it was thrown out of the Bible, Jesus Christ peace be upon him never claimed divinity. There is not a single unequivocal statement. In the complete Bible where Jesus Christ peace be upon says, I am God already says worship me. In fact, if we read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of john chapter number 14 was number 28. He said, My father is greater than I, gospel of john chapter number 10, was number 29. My father has given all Gospel of Matthew chapter number 12, was number 28. I

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cast out devils with the Spirit of God, Gospel of Luke chapter 11, verse number 20, with the finger of God, cast or devil gospel of john, chapter number five, verse number 30. I can have nouns that do nothing.

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I can have my own self do nothing, either your eye judge and my judgment are just for I think, not my will, but the will of my Father. Anyone who said not my will, but God's will. He's a Muslim. Muslim means a person who submitted to Almighty God, Jesus Christ is the one who said not my will, but God will. He was a Muslim, and he was a Hamdulillah, one of the mightiest messenger of God, we believe.

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We believe that he was born miraculously, without any human intervention. We believe he gave that to the dead with God's permission. We believe that he healed those born lining up with God's permission. We respected his case peace be upon him as one of the mightiest messenger of God, but he is not God. And he is not a part of the Trinity. Trinity doesn't exist. Quran says, Allah says Allah and only

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does that before we have the next question from the mic here. Earlier I had announced the lady should kindly queue up there. Unfortunately, they have not queued up there. So we are having a problem of balancing the questions. Okay. What we do we disregard the labels on the mic. Yes. If the ladies want to ask from here, we'll allow them just balance this in practical necessity. The hall is jam packed. We understand.

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We will allow now one question for Dr. Campbell from here.

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And the rare mic will be for people who'd like to ask question from the gents for Dr. Zakir. Similarly for the ladies. The front mic would be for Dr. William Campbell. And the rare mic would be for Dr. Zakir are the people queued there for Dr. Zakir? Yes, people queued here for Dr. Campbell. Right. I think they have taken their own positions and change the positions organizers that given we respect it because of the rush in the hall. When next question for Dr. Campbell from this mic. Thank you. Yes, brother Assalamu alaykum

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hamdulillah tonight's when Praise be to Allah Praise be to the One God of all mankind. Tonight's been a very interesting dialogue,

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in a dialogue yet that

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it's talking about a very noble topic for mankind, for all of mankind. And so we have gathered here

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ment of humanity, question for you.

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Okay. The name of Allah. The question is yes. Okay, we've come here together for this event tonight it should benefit us. And and so I'm asking Dr. Campbell, as a Christian and and with your colleagues as well. Has this event

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done its job, has it opened your heart? Is it has it at least

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opened a glimmer towards looking further into the truth of Islam. Thank you.

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Well, I think I'll use the last question to answer yours.

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Dr. Knight says there's no place that Jesus says he's got

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in Mark 1461. He didn't answer. And again, the high priest was questioning him and saying to him, Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?

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In other words, are you the Christ, the Son of God?

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And Jesus said, I am. So he did say I'm the son of God. And he did say his divine.

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And that the Bible clearly says, I realize he's quoted the verses he wished to quote, Doctor, doctors, I wish to quote where Jesus was in his human form.

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But there's other verses, he says, I and the Father are one. It says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the gut and the guy and God was made flesh and dwelt among us. In Jesus baptism, the father spoke and said, This is my beloved Son. Jesus was there, and the Holy Spirit descended, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We didn't make this thing up from our heads, just flip this little, little thing. Now, my friend asked the question here,

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we've learned many things. And I'm always willing to learn. But I still think that the 500 witnesses that saw Jesus after he rose from the dead, have more power with me than Mohammed coming 600 years later as one witness. Thank you.

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will allow a question for Dr. Zaki, from the rare Yes, sister, Dr. Campbell did first attempt to bring up supposedly false facts pertaining to the chronic views on the universe, and you did refute these accusations. However, it was not addressed what the Bible says about the shape of the earth and its other aspects.

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Just as a question that I did not address regarding what the Bible says about the shape of the lack of time, I can point out another 100 points lack of time, any house system wants to know what is the Bible speak about the shape of the earth. It's mentioned

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in the Bible, in the Gospel of Matthew, chapter number four, was number eight. It says, the same reference with William Campbell is about tempting. The devil took him that gssp upon him to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdom of the earth, and its glory was part of Luke chapter number four was number five, the devil took him to a high mountain, and showed him the glory of all the kingdoms of the world.

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Now, even if you go to the tallest mountain, the highest mountain in the world, that's Mount Everest, and supposedly you have a very good vision, and can see for 1000s of miles together yet, you will not be able to see all 16 of the world because today we know the earth is spherical, you will not be able to see the kingdom of the opposite side of the world. The only way you will be see if the earth was flat, that the description what the Bible gives, the Earth is flat. Furthermore, the same descriptions repeated in the book of Daniel's chapter number four was the 1011. It says, in a dream that the tree grew up into the heaven. And then when the tree grew up into the heaven,

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it grew up so much, that everyone from all the ends of the earth, they could see the tree. This is only possible if the shape of the Earth was flat. If a tree is very long, and the shape of the Earth was flat, it's possible.

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Today, it's a universal fact that the world is spherical, you will never be able to see the tree, however much longer it is from the opposite side of the physical shape of the earth. Furthermore, if you read, it's mentioned in

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the first Chronicles, chapter number 16, was the mentality that the earth does not move. The same is repeated in the book of Psalms. Step number 93 was the one that Almighty God destabilize the earth. That means the earth does not move. And in the New International Version, it says that God has established and stopped the movement of the earth as though one minute

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There's one minute left, one minute, one minute left.

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So they asked me to wait for one minute.

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Regarding Dr. William Campbell, he said that Jesus Christ said in the Bible in several places that he was God, you can refer to my videos I said, concept of God and major religion, which gives all the references and the answers. I'll only give you the references of what he quoted. And my father of one is from john chapter number 10, was the machete and In the beginning was the Word is from john chapter number one was number one. You go to the context, and we'll come to know Jesus Christ peace be upon never claimed immunity. You can take my cassette, which has ever been the fire outside concept of God in major religion, and similarities between Islam and Christianity, which gives the

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details that Jesus gives peace be upon never claimed divinity time. Thank you. The next question from the lady in the front for Dr. William.

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You mentioned the test where a true believer can drink poison and survive because of their faith. What about Rasputin, who was poisoned with enough cyanide to kill 16 people? And when that didn't kill him, he died of blood loss. He was not a good Christian, he had orgies.

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How do you explain this where only a good Christian can drink this poison and live How do you explain that?

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Well, I don't feel I have to explain it I made it rescued and wasn't a Christian why what happened to him has no basis for what happened in the Bible. I said before Jesus God, God didn't intend for us to line up air and start start taking poison and see whether he's the true God.

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Oh, sorry.

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It's we're not to touch test God. That was given that these guys that said that these things will happen. An example would be Paul, he went to when he was in shipwrecked and he I think it's Creek but I have the wrong place in my mind. And, and he landed, and so he was throwing wood in the fire and a snake bitten nothing happened to him. But he wasn't trying to test god he was trying to throw wood in the fire. So different situation.

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No comment, please. Thank you. The next question from the rear for Dr. Zakir excuse. Yes, brother. Excuse me, sir. I just like to say about the circle of the earth. In Isaiah 4022. It says he got sits enthroned above the circle of the earth. Thank you in the back put up

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for Dr. Zakir. Dr. rocker, you said there isn't any mistake in Quran I see more than 20 mistake in Arabic grammar. And I will tell you some of them.

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In Nola, Vina hado wasabi on

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in Bukhara. And hatch in the larina Manuel la Vina hado serene, which is a sub or a sub in

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Num, num, Brother Brother one question at a time Yeah, but the same thing he said in 63 in vanilla Heron mistake in the Nila Sahara Can you explain that

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and there is more than that.

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Brother will allow you only the first part of the question. The second part will not allow because we have stated will alone time so others get a chance to okay.

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The brother has asked a very good question. I would like to be more concardis and again he had mentioned all 20 grammatical points. And the book is referring to

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the correct is the Quran infallible in say something Yeah,

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that is good.

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I will answer all 20 together because I've read the book. Iran's oil blend inshallah inshallah. Point number one.

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Point number one. Point number one to be noted that all Arabic grammar is taken from the Quran. Quran was the highest Arabic book, a book which has the maximum level of highest literature. All the Arabic grammar has been derived from the Quran. Quran is the textbook of grammar. Since Quran is the textbook of grammar and all the grammars derived from the Quran, the Quran can never have a mistake, point number one,

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point number two.

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Point number two.

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Point number two. It is like you know taking your ruler and the ruler is they have a measurement and the measurement is wrong.

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It sounds illogical point number two

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in the different types of

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Arabia and you know Arabic and Dr. William camel also agree with me in different Arabic tribes, the grammar keeps on changing in some Arabic type, the word is feminine, the same word is masculine, the other tribes of Arabia in different tribes, the grammar keeps on changing, even the gender keeps on changing. So will you check Quran with that 40 gamma? No. And furthermore, the eloquence of Quran is so high

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is so high, it is far superior. And you know, there are various books on the internet to go well dramatical mistake 21 grammatical mistake a pill for the 20 grammatical mistake. Do you think that Christian people to go the mistakes who do these mistakes we wrote about the Muslims, the Muslim scholars, like the mockery what they did, that the Quran grammar is so high that it goes against the conventional use of the Arabic

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Quran grammar is so high to prove the Quranic grammar was high. They gave examples, and I'll give you a couple of examples which will answer all these 20 questions. They give the example like reading the Quran, it says that the people of Luth la salam, they rejected all the messengers. They detected the messenger that's mentioned today William Campbell said, the people of Noah, the rejected messengers, we know from history, that there was only one messenger sent to them. So it has a grammatical mistake. Quran should have said the people rejected the messenger, not messengers. I agree with you, with Lehmann Vemma. like have you and I know, it may be a mistake. But if you read

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the books written by Arabs, what is the beauty of the Quran? The beauty of the Quran is why does the Quran differ messengers instead of messenger? You know why? Because we know that the basic message of all the messengers was same, that there is one God about the heat of Allah subhanaw taala by mentioning the people of Nutella salam, the people of Noah rejected the messenger, it says by rejecting rucola salam, they are indirectly rejecting all the messengers.

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See the beauty see the eloquence hamdulillah. You may think it's a mistake. It's not a mistake. Similarly, people says that Francis confiar can be and it is, it should be confirmed cannot be and it was a good pastels is concoction in Arabic, it's not confirmed. But the confocal is more superior. It says Allah it was it is and can do, past, present and future. Thank you, doctor and I

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maybe have the next question from the brother in the front. For Dr. William Campbell. Yes, Dr. Campbell. This is a very sincere question. To learn a little more about Christianity. I want to ask that Jesus ministry was only for three years after he was baptized by john the baptist. So Jesus, the second most powerful person after God, the Son of God, what are his contribution in his early life from first from one year to say 27 or 28 years? What are his significant contributions? This is a Excuse me? Dr. Campbell. This is not this is not the topic for tonight. We have we had

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Yeah, we can go ahead. In the beginning of the presentation, Dr. Campbell mentioned zilker nine from the chapter 18 as haoran, the cave, and he mentioned as well, Fernandez, Alexander great, can you prove me how you came to that level for nannies Alexander the Great. I only read it in the commentary of Yusuf Ali I but regardless of whether it's Alexander the Great or who it is, the mother the son doesn't sit doesn't set in a murky White Marsh and that's what if the first says

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thank you. Yes, sister. The question for Dr. Zakir.

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I don't know the exact verse But when the Bible says For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so shall the Son of man be for three days and three nights the heart of the earth? Did Jesus peace be upon him scientifically fulfill the sign of Jonah

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was the voice of the Bible Gospel of Matthew chapter number 12 was the method and 40 when people ask Jesus Christ peace be upon him, show me a sign show me American, Jesus Christ peace be upon him says you even an adult is generation seeking after a sign. No sign shall be given to you but the sign of Jonah For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. sign of Jonah, Jesus Christ peace be upon him, put all his eggs in one basket. And if you go to the sign of Jonah, the book of Jonah is less than two pages and most of us know

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you analyze the Jonah Wall Street isn't three nights, but Jesus Christ peace be upon him. We know from the Gospels that you have put on the cross the alleys truth fiction alleged my late evening he was burned out from the course and Princess America. And on Sunday morning if you see the stories moved away and the park is completely empty, so Jesus Christ peace be upon him is in the tomb on Friday night. Friday night he was in the tomb Friday night. He was there in Saturday morning, one day, one night one day, and he was decided tonight. So tonight and Monday, tonight and Sunday morning the tomb was empty. So Jesus Christ peace be upon was there for two nights and one day, it

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for three days and three nights. Not a William Campbell gives a reply in his book that no part of the day can be counted as one day. And if a patient comes to me who's sick on Saturday night, on Monday morning, and if asked him how long are you sick for? He said three days?

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I agree with you. concardis approach. I agree. I'm very generous. You say part of the day full day. I agree with you. So Saturday night part of the day Monday, Sunday part of the day full day one good. Monday part of the day, full day, no problem. If patient says three days, no objection, but no patient will ever say three days and three nights.

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I challenge I've met various patient, I have not come up with a single patient, including Christian missionary we have ever told to me who was sick in the night and day before yesterday saying I'm sick for three days in a row. So Jesus Christ, you deserve a three day Jesus Christ is three days and three nights. So it is a mathematical error scientifically Jesus Christ piece by one didn't prove. And furthermore, the prophecy says as Jonah was the son of Mandy, Jonah was how how old you are in the belly of the whale belly of the fish that are alive.

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When you're thrown overboard, he was alive. In the belly of the whale. He goes around the ocean dead alive. Alive. He prays to Almighty God dead alive. Alive, he vomited out on the sea show dead alive. Alive, alive, alive alive. When as the Christians, how was Jesus Christ peace be upon him in the in the dead or alive? They tell me dead

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alive. Alhamdulillah is a Christian if he's alive, or hamdulillah he was not crucified. If he's dead. He hasn't fulfilled the sign. You can refer to my video cassette was Jesus Christ really crucified. It proves that Jesus Christ was not crucified as the Quran says in Surah Nisa chapter 4157 mokulua masala boo, they didn't kill him needed to decrease the time it was only made to appear. So thank you doctor like Dr. For question for Dr. William.

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Dr. Campbell, since you are a medical doctor, could you please explain scientifically the various medical aspects that are in the Bible regarding because you didn't answer them in your rebuttal. For example, blood use as a disinfectant bit or water test for adultery, and most importantly, that the woman is unclean for double the period when she gives birth to a daughter, then as compared to a son.

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Thank you for the question, and I'll get to it. But Dr. Knight keeps getting the questions that should become to the to the Christian.

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It says that on the next day when there was one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, Sir, we remember that when he was still alive, that deceiver said, After three days, I'm to rise again. Therefore give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day.

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So they're using these words interchangeably.

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As far as I'm concerned, all of these words, the third day, after the third day equal, what happened with Jesus in the grave. The other thing is, and then there's resurrection. There is one other thing when Jesus was arrested on Thursday night, please be quiet. This is not going to work like this. Please be patient Thursday and Wednesday and Thursday after you when he was arrested. He said my time my hour has come. And so I count that that's three in that three days and three nights. Now you've asked me about these places in the Bible. I believe the Bible was written by God and I believe that God put them in there.

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So I it's not up to me to explain what God said but I believe that God put those things in his fiber.

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Now we will have the last question on the mic from the brother that the back for Dr. Zakir then we start the questions on index cards.

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The last question as per our time limitations, please.

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Salaam Alaikum. My name is Islam roof and I'm a student studying biology right now. And my teacher is teaching me evolution now. And I was wondering about the Islamic answer to evolution. Right now, if you could explain briefly what Islam says, and the topic of evolution and creationism

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the brother asked a question the William Campbell is taking the liberty to answer inevitable liberty. nowhere in the Quran is the name of Alexandra mentioned it says bruker name, not Alexandra, if some commentators have made a mistake, it's a mistake in the commentary. The men have made the mistake not the word of God.

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Regarding the Bible saying that the world in Isaiah is a circle, no problem. It's a circle, not spherical. So one plus Bible says flat one period, if you agree with both the verses, it becomes like a disc.

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See, does it look like the earth?

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It is circle and a flat. This is not the earth

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regarding biology in the Quran, and regarding evolution, two questions about the last I don't know whether I can answer both or not I don't mind when which one first one or second one biology or evolution evolution will be the evolution

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because he had the question for evolution, I think it'd be good to question biology first and evolution. If you give me 10 minutes, only in five minutes, whatever you can do.

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Okay, fine. I agree with the chairperson, Mr. Samuel no man, an answer on evolution. The exact answer you can refer to my video cassette Khurana modern science regarding men talk about evolution, you start thinking about Darwin's theory. And Darwin went on a ship HMS Beagle to island by the name of Karla Tropez. And he thought birds pecking at niches based on that observation that the beaks of the birds became long and short, he propounded the natural selection, but he wrote a letter to his friend, Thomas Thompson in 19th century, he said, that I do not have proof to prove upon my natural selection, but because it helps me in classification of embryology, of rudimentary organs, I have

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put for this, Darwin's theory is not a fact at all. It is only a theory and I made it very clear in the beginning of my talk, Quran can go against hearings, because theories take turns, but Quran will not go against any established fact. And in our school, we are taught about Darwin's theory as it's a fact it's not a fact. There is no scientific proof at all, there are missing links. Therefore, if someone has to insult a friend, his colleague, he will say, if you are present at Darwin's time, Darwin's theory would have been proved right. infuriating, he looks like an ape.

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There are missing leaves theory

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and, and about the four forces that are present the humanoids, the Lucy Australopithecus, which is guide dominators Neanderthal man CRO Magnon. 40 days refer to my video cassette by molecular biology, Francis Crick, he said it is impossible that we can be evolved from apes. By DNA coding, it's impossible. You can refer to my video cassette, it gives the detail some parts I've got no objection regarding biology, four and 721 verse number 30, that which animals are more equal Russia in a moon, we have created every living thing from water, we will not then believe today we know that every living creature, the basic substance, the cell contains cytoplasm, which has about 90%

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water. every living creature in the world has approximately 50 90% water. Imagine in the deserts of Arabia, who could have imagined that everything is made of water. Ron says that 14 years ago, Mike

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Andes thank you thank you very much.

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We will now start the questions on slips of paper we would have this box for Dr. William Campbell this box for Dr. Zakir Nye we turn the boxes their names to add themselves so they don't see through by lol can see. They pick up the questions looking away from the box and they answer it themselves. Whatever they choose, they have to answer the first question for Dr. William Campbell.

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And the next question for Dr. Zaki. They can pick up the questions in advance so that we don't waste time in the reading the questions. So one one questions we can start and we'll allow Dr. William to read for some time if you want the first question.

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I will read the question but first I just want to say about everything made of water. It's perfectly obvious every time you smash a bug. It's made of water. Every living thing is made of water but it's observable. It's not a miracle.

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Okay, Dr. Campbell, if you can

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Answer the contradictions in Genesis regarding the creation. Don't you think that the that proves that the Bible is unscientific and therefore not from God? I admit that I have some problems with this. But I also have all the fulfilled prophecies. And that's very important to me. And Jesus, and it says that Jesus is the cornerstone and built on it. He's built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And so the apostles the prophets prophesied and the apostles wrote down when God fulfilled the prophecy. I know that doesn't answer your question, but my faith is in Christ far as my Savior.

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Okay, thank you doctor, like.

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Text and translation are two different words, given two different meanings. In the Bible in English, or text or a translation, can scientifically text and translation we proved to be the one on the same. Did God reveal his messages upon Moses and Jesus peace be upon upon them in English? It's a very good question. Can the text and translation be the same? No. A text and translation cannot be exactly the same can come close to it. And according to Maulana Abdul Majid Daria body said, the most difficult book in the world to translate is the Glorious Quran. Because the language of the Quran is so eloquent, it is so superior, so noble, and one word in Arabic has got several meanings.

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Therefore two tasks in the Quran is the most difficult, it is not the same. And if there is a mistake in the translation, it is a human handiwork. The human being was translating he is to blame, not automatic or regarding what Bible we will in English No. Bible was in English, it's Old Testament in Hebrew, New Testament in Greek, though Jesus Christ peace be upon him spoke Hebrew, but the original manuscript that you have, it's in Greek, the Old Testament, the original Hebrew is not available. Do you know that the Hebrew translation of the Old Testament is from the Greek, so even though original Old Testament, which is in Hebrew is not present in Hebrew? So you have a double

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problem? No one that you have scribal errors etc. But the Quran hamdulillah the original Arabic is maintained, it has been a hamdulillah scientifically you can prove it is the same. And regarding word revelations revealed to Jesus Christ peace be upon him, and Moses peace be upon him. I said in my earlier

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talk, that we believe the Quran says in Surah, Chapter 13, verse 38, that Allah subhanaw taala has said noncentral, Revelation by name only four I mentioned the Torah there's a boo, the angel and the Quran, the Torah is the vahi, which was given to Moses peace be upon him. The Buddha is Revelation the vahi, which was given to David peace be upon him ingenious revelation which was given to Jesus peace be upon him. And Quran is the last and final revelation, which was given to the last and finally messenger, Prophet Muhammad peace. I am Dr. Knight, thank you so much. The present Bible is not the Injeel, which we believe in which was given to Jesus Christ. Thank you, sir. Dr. Campbell,

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we have one more.

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But the present in jail is the one there's always been.

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We have, we have texts 75% of the text from 180 ad. That's 100 years after john wrote, it was dead, he was alive and wrote, you have people alive at that point? Who knew? Who their their their grandparents believed through john? There's good evidence and good text, the Bible is valid history. Now the question,

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what's the probability you presented? It is a great calculation, thank you. But in the matter of,

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of God, it is completely inferior. God is all powerful and can choose who he likes, of course, no matter rich or poor, or any other thing. So how then does your probability fit in?

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Jesus was poor, he was chosen. He said, The Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head. I'm not sure about this. I don't see how the calculation is talking about that calculation was how many people could fail to fulfill all those prophecies.

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I hope that that's been helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Knight.

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Please, go ahead. Thank you.

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To an effort to prove in an effort to prove the Quran is so heavily agreeable to more in science. What happens if modern science is wrong? Does the Quran always change to reflect the changes in France? That's a very good question. It's a

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Very important question. And we Muslims should be very careful while being compatible with the Quran modern science. Therefore, I said in the beginning of my talk, I will only be speaking about those scientific facts that which have been established and a scientific fact which has been established. For example, they are the spherical, it can never go wrong, established science can never take turns, but an established science, like hypotheses and theories can take turns, I know Muslim scholars who have tried to prove Darwin's theory from the Quran nonsense. So therefore, we should not go overboard and try and prove everything of modern science, you have to be careful to check up

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whether they're established or an established, if it's established Alhamdulillah with scientific proof, the Quran will never have gone against it. If it hypothesis, it may be right, it may be wrong, like Big Bang Theory. It was hypotheses early, earlier hypothesis today, after a solid proof about the celestial matter of Stephen Hawking, etc. It's a fact, The Big Bang Theory today the fact yesterday it was a hypothesis, once it becomes a fact I use it.

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You know that a hypothesis saying that human beings have been created from a single pair of jeans, Adam and Eve. I don't use it. Because Science has established it goes along with the Quran. It goes along with the Quran that we have been evolved from one pair Adam and Eve peace be upon them, but I don't use it because that is not an established fact. So therefore, why bringing a correlation between Quran and science etc. See to it that you use only those scientific facts which have been established and not hypothesis because Quran a far superior to modern science. I'm not trying to prove the Quran to be the Word of God with the help of science. No, not at all. What I'm trying to

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do for us Muslims, Quran is the ultimate criteria for the atheist. And for the non Muslims. Maybe science may be the ultimate criteria. What I'm doing, I'm using the criteria the yardstick of the atheist, and comparing with the yardstick of the Muslim the Quran. I'm not trying to prove the Quran to be the Word of God with the help of science we're trying to do when I make a compatibility, and I show the superiority of Quran that what your science has told us yesterday, Quran has told us 400 years ago and trying to prove that our yardstick, the Muslim yardstick, the Quran is far superior to your yardstick the science, therefore, you should believe in Quran which is far superior for answer

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the question. Thank you for

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This is the last last two questions for the speakers with as the audience so just bear for us for a few minutes more. We have the last question on the slip for Dr. Campbell, followed by a one last question for Dr. Zakir. And we'll ask you to please wait till the end.

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It's the same question as the last one, really.

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Dr. Campbell agreed to Dr. Night that the errors he showed are not wrong, and that he can't answer them. So does this mean that Dr. Campbell agrees that the Bible has errors? So it's not the word of God? There are things in the Bible that I can't explain that I don't have an answer for now.

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And I'm willing to wait until I see whether an answer comes. There's many places where archaeological things have proved that the Bible is true, talking about towns and who was king and things like that. And I think there's great proof that the Bible is valid in good history.

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Thank you, Dr. Campbell. Just one minute.

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The question is, are there any more mathematical contradictions?

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In the Bible? What is Bible or Islam? Sorry? Are they any more mathematical tradition in Islam? Are they any more? Is it Bible Islam? I don't know. An answer both.

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Why is there any more it should be Bible because of our contradiction. Anyway, regarding Islam, the Quran says in Surah Nisa, chapter four was the matey to

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open casita. Do they not consider the Quran with Kay Had it been from anyone besides Allah? There have been many contradictions, there is not a single

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regarding more contradictions in the Bible, five minutes will be insufficient. Even if they give me five days. It's difficult. Anyway, I just mentioned a few. It's mentioned in the Second Kings, chapter number eight, was number 26. It says that his Yeah, that he was 22 years old when he began to reign. Second Chronicles chapter number 22 verse number two says that

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He was 42 years old when he began to reign. Was he 22 years old? Or was he 42 years old man with a contradiction. Furthermore, in Second Chronicles, chapter number 21, was number 20. It says that joram, the father of Isaiah, he reigned at the age of 32. And he reigned for eight years. And he died at the age of 40.

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became the next ruler at the age of 42. father died at the age of 40. Immediately son takes over who's at the age of 42. How can a son be two years older than the father?

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Believe me, even even in Hollywood flame, you will not be able to produce it.

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In Hollywood flame, you can produce a unicorn which I mentioned my talk unicorn, you can talk about ISIS with the Bible speaks about corporate ISIS and, and dragons and serpents. But in Hollywood, you cannot even show a son be two years older than the Father. It cannot even be a miracle. Even in miracle, it's not possible. Impossible. In miracle you can have a person being born of a virgin birth, but in miracle you can't have a son being older than the father by two years. Further, if you read it mentioned in the Bible, in Second Samuel, chapter number 24, was the mind that the people that were involved in the battlefield, it gives a list of the people in Second Samuel, chapter 24,

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verse number nine, and it says that people that took part 800,000 of the men of Israel took part and 500,000 of the men of Judah. Same if you see other places, first Chronicles, Chapter 21, verse number five, it says that 1 million 100,000 people took part in the battlefield from the men of Israel

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and 10,460 men to part of Judah. Was it 800,000 people who took part from the men of Israel, or was it 1 million 100,000? Was it five lakh people of jurassic park or 10,460, a clear contradiction. Furthermore, it's mentioned in the Bible in Second Samuel, chapter number six was number 23. That Michelle,

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the daughter of Saul, she had no sons. Second Samuel, chapter 21 was the maid, Michelle, the daughter of Saul had five sons.

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One person says no children, no son or daughter, other place five sons.

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Furthermore, if you read,

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it's mentioned, and Gospel of Matthew chapter number one, verse number 16. It says, about the genealogy of Jesus peace be upon him, as well as Luke chapter number three was number 23. And it says that Jesus his father, that Joseph, his father was Jacob, Matthew chapter one, verse 16, and Luke chapter three verse number 23. Jesus father, Joseph, his father was Haley did Jesus's father Joseph had two fathers.

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What do you call a person or two fathers? Or was it Haley? Or was it Jacob? Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Can we can we have you bear with us for two minutes. We have the renowned International Islamic scholar amongst us, Dr. Jamal, by the way and on behalf of the Islamic Research Foundation.

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We feel it an honor if he would take

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the pleasure of integrating or releasing the book just written by Dr. Zakir Nye the Quran and modern science compatible or incompatible.

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Dr. Jamal, by the way to

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release the book,

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which has just recently been published and printed a few days back as being released here in Chicago on this appropriate occasion. No more fitting way as a gesture of friendship than to ask Dr. Decker, to give it to Dr. Campbell by himself.

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As we have a very limited number of these copies available. So we request only the non Muslim guests who have come here to kindly take a complimentary copy of the book as they leave the auditorium. If they're interested, it would be a pleasure. May I call upon Dr. Sabine mnth to present the water thanks

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Again, on behalf of Islamic circle of North America, I would really thank all of you for your patience, and all our distinguished guests over here for giving us a very good performance for all of us. So Monica lahoma BMD cuando la ilaha illa Anta Vanessa Pharaoh cavanna tabula he assalamu aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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fulfill our aims in life, Allah forgive our sins. Yeah.

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Oh Allah, the Most Gracious