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morning Mr. Zakir Naik, my name is Jaime domani. First of all, I want to thank you for what you're doing. You have really taken out a lot away from me, I'm sure.
My question is on your point number three, actually, I have three questions if you could be so kind. But on point number three, first of all, I felt that you it was very evasive your your answer, but what I'm going to ask you is very simple. When you talk about terrorism when you talk about Islam. Now, this is a very simple, straightforward question. I hope I can get a straightforward answer with what's happening in Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, just to name a few. I'm not stereotyping I hope no one takes offense. But when you hear on the news that a woman is cooking food for our kids, and then a suicide bomber comes and kills them.
I want to ask you a simple question. What is that? Is that Islam? Or is that people who don't understand what Islam is, and they have their own perception of Islam? And please let me ask you one more thing, can you give me an answer that is not in World War One or something, there were more people that died or this is all propaganda, and these are Americans killing people, and that was your mantra.
your mom said then you can pass a commandment. The brother of the question that the years in Afghanistan in Pakistan, a woman cooking food as to said Mama comes and blows up and kills. As far as Islam what the media is saying forget about it. I'll give a ruling of Islam, where the word the media says right or wrong. Quran says in Surah Majda chapter number five, verse number 32. If anyone kills any other human being, unless it be for murder, or for spreading corruption in the land, it is as though yes kills the whole of humanity. Any person killed any other human being whether Muslim or non Muslim, unless it be for murder, or for spreading corruption in the land. It is as though yes
killed all of humanity. And if any human being saved as a human being it is as though yes, save the whole nation. So called the Quran, killing any single innocent human being is prohibited. If a suicide bomber comes and kills a woman who's cooking the innocent, it is 100% Prohibited whether done in Pakistan or Afghanistan or America, Dubai, is the answer clear? Okay. 100% or whoever's doing it, we will doing it
will bring it whether namesake Muslim, or American, or propaganda, whoever's doing it, it is totally prohibited. Okay, fine. So the clear answer that is clear, 100% Clear. Whether you do anyone does wrong, yeah. 100% wrong. It is as though yes, killed all of humanity. There is no other scripture that I know of today. There is no other scripture that I know of today. That gives the statement that if you kill one human being it is as though you killed only men except the Quran. There is no other scripture that I know. We say that if you say one human being, you're saying the whole of humanity, no other scripture. Perfect. Now, can I ask you something? This is wrong. Yeah. Under
wasn't wrong. Fine. Fine, fine. Now, why are you here? The way I look at it all of these innocent loving people here. Why isn't this convention somewhere like Afghanistan and Pakistan trying to teach people that what they are doing is not Islam and is just some brainwashed, chaos, and that they're going to go to hell, and you're not going to go to heaven for killing innocent people for the 911 attacks for the London bombings, innocent people died. If I don't like you, and I kill you, it's more justified than if I don't like somebody if I don't like Jews, and I go and kill innocent Americans with families. Why don't you go and educate these people and have a better cause rather
than converting four or five people here? Marcia 1000s of lives? Brother Alaska, very good question. He's telling me, why don't I go to Pakistan to Afghanistan, and spread this message and prevent this brother, I go every day even now I'm going there. I'm on the satellite. We have pitch TV reaching 100 million people. This is how much
that's what I wanted to use is 20 30,000 people. The audience here will feel 20 30,000 People not more than that. You see the recording? Why do the recording so that I can go to Pakistan, I can go to Afghanistan, I can go to even America and my lecture on Jihad and terrorism, the maximum viewership, it has got more than 100 million people. And it is meant for the full world. I'm giving you this big red column in telecast. The thing is, I cannot force anyone the partner does not accept my message enables you. I'm not forcing you.
I'm not forcing you to accept my position or you know, I'm gonna force the people of Pakistan, how can afford the people of Afghanistan at the same time, at the same time? At the same time, I also tell the innocent people being killed I agree with you.
What is the numbers? You said? You know, four or five people converting here?
is better than telling that my job is to deliver the message first that crinum anthem is
mentioned in the Quran surah Russia chapter 18 verse, Psalm 2122. Our job is to deliver the message we can convert hearts. Allah told the prophet you are not the manager of affairs, it is Allah give the Daya.
I can talk, I cannot convert, it is Almighty God who converts, I can talk, whether they understand or not in Pakistan, it is Almighty God. Coming to your basic question, according to me, you should see my cassette is there the Muslim monopoly is there is a Muslim monopoly. If you see that can set your mind your vision of terrorism will improve. Time does not permit me to give a talk here again, I'll tell you for sure. According to me, that terrorists are mainly the politicians. It is the who create this. You go anywhere, you know, in India, all the rage that took place indirectly or directly it's the politician Babri Masjid. Why did Babri Masjid take place? Who are the politicians
withdraws, right politicians? What happened about 911 filmmakers there? It was an inside job according to say we do scientist of America they say 911 cannot be done by 19 Arabs. It is impossible. It was inside job 72 Scientists of America not darkened night inside job who didn't? George Bush. Okay.
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Afghanistan 1000s of people being killed. They are sending cluster bombs covered there are 1000s of people. You're talking about suicide bomb. That is haram. I'm not condoning it. I'm condemning it. But the bigger thing to be condemned is Americans sending the fighters in Afghanistan, killing 1000s of people in Iraq, killing 1000s of people.
I'm not a fan of Thomasson. He had done mistakes the people of Iraq, they were fed up of Saddam Hussein, but after miracle came there, they are more fed up of the American Ninja Donaldson.
That does not justify does because Saddam Hussein was bad that does not justify America to come and take over Iraq. Why are they doing it for the money for the oil? What is the main interest is the oil
who created Taliban? When Russia came, the Americans supported the afghan is created Taliban. Now they want to take over the fighting back. Who is the creation? Americans?
The biggest days around domain the history George Bush. Now we no longer there. George Bush number one on that. Sorry. I'm with you on with me on that. So I'm also going to America. I'm even going to America live and on satellite giving the message to American. I was the first person that I know of in the public after 911 in Australia. I said I'm a fundamentalist. And I consider George Bush to be the biggest terrorist. It came at headlines.
in December 2001 When I gave a talk in Australia, when the Consul General asked me that what do you consider Ruza terrorists? I said George Bush number one, it came as head Land Doctors can they call themselves a fundamentalist and consider George Bush to be terrorists number one, now every Tom Dick and Harry is calling him a terrorist.
At that time, no one had the guts. What we realized we are speaking the truth. Now whether George Bush, you know many people say when I gave a talk in London on terrorism, very good talk people enjoyed a youngster from death to George Bush, that bush, full talk of mine gone. Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad Salah Salem, they were to staunch this enemy of Islam.
Both Omar Omar and the Prophet prayed to Allah that gave hidayah to one of these tumor and Omar bin Khattab May Allah bless with him who was secondary to Islam. Allah gave you there, who was the staunchest enemy of Islam became the staunchest supporter, therefore I said, May Allah give you that to George Bush?
I can speak. I cannot even if I can tell him what he's doing is wrong. I don't want to kill him. I want him to accept Islam. Killing is useless. What the use of killing, accepting is better. So that's the reason we are giving the message. Those whose hearts open and accepting inshallah God will open your heart also one day, when God opens your heart one day, I cannot do it. I can give the message I can't force you. Unless God gives you unless you strive. If you strive God will help you. If you don't strive, your heart will not be open. Some people ask question only for questioning a question which nigga but the true gentleman, Martha Choi, when he gets there until he accepts it.
You know, people just ask for questioning by questioning. You spoke very loudly. I'm asking I gave a speech. I said so many things. Do you agree with Iran?
Yes, I agree with it. Are you Hindu
I'm actually your favorite. I'm an atheist. It is Masha Allah. Do you enjoy your ideas? You're my favorite. No, I'm not your friend. But I was told that you liked having debates with such. Yes, yes.
Okay, brother, you are an atheist. Fine. I would like to congratulate you.
You'd like to work. I'd like to congratulate you.
You know why?
There isn't a calculator because all the others, all the human being the blindly following father, the Christians, a son is a Christian.
His parents are Hindu, he The Hindu. Many of the Muslim parents are Muslims, you are thinking, I know the Father with a typical father, they teach. No, good. So you're thinking, These are the people they worship the Almighty God who falls down and breaks. So you are thinking and the regular comradery because you said the first part of the Islamic shahada La Ilaha there is no God.
You have already said have the karma or not the second part, they have said the full karma you are half Muslim now. It is me half karma you know Lila, only thing after Allah but Allah which I shall do insha Allah
I'm congratulating you because you have agreed to the other people who believe in wrong Gods first have to spend half my time in trying to convince them the god you're worshiping is wrong, you have already agreed there is no God only thing you have to do is prove to you about Allah which I shall do Inshallah, brother. Suppose the the equipment which is bought
equipment bought in front of you, no one in the world has ever seen. No human being a thing is born in front of you. And if asked you the question, Who is the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of the equipment
over the speech and is the creator is the Creator. The Creator of that equipment will be the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of the object. You may say create a you may say manufacturer you may say inventor you may say maker whatever it is somewhat similar. Now, I'm asking you a question. How did the universe come into existence?
How did the universe come into existence?
You are going to now mention the Big Bang No, I'm asking you Yeah, don't tell me what I'm wanting to know what what if you know you are I'm asking you according to your Nanos The thing is, I've actually heard this speech before I'm a good fan of yours. You know, Marshall, you're a good fan. Good fan, particular practical,
practical fan, you will follow if I'm wrong, you correct me if I'm wrong to join me. No, I only learned about you about two weeks back actually fine for two weeks, you became a great fan martial. I'm very happy about it. In two ways you learn about me, that means you know, you know about the creation, the Big Bang, which we came to know recently, Quran Michel, 14 years ago in Saudi Arabia chapter 21, verse number 30, our middle of the verse is fine, but you know that yeah, similarly, we did not know that the Earth was spherical. We came to recently Quran mentioned 14 years ago in surah. Nivea chapter seven number summer 30. Different Well, we thought first the light of the moon
is all night Quran missions 14 years ago, the light of the moon is not six ordinary defected light, which became more recently who could have mentioned this. There's biology, there is water cycle which you learned in school, that is embryology there is genetics. My question is, who could have mentioned all these things in the Quran? So if you have heard this, you also know the answer. Who could have mentioned in the Quran? Same answer.
The Creator, the creator, this Creator, who has mentioned in the Quran we call as Allah
so that we do believe in the Creator, who could have mentioned if in the Quran, the creator, the Creator created the human beings, the person who created all this universe, it can be a human being right, all this. So now do you believe in a creator?
Well, there are different perspectives, you see a verse in western science, or you can think about God. Now the debate is which to follow. You can follow both I believe in both. I'm a student of fans also. Also, I'm a believer in God. As my opening question stated, what I asked about tourism, I believe you also know those are certain facts that will come to them later on. Yeah. Talking about I don't know that.
You asked me direct question. Suicide bombing, killing innocent Brown, I give direct answer. No, I'm asking you a direct question. You give a direct answer. You are asked me you are happy with my answer. No beating around the bush. I am asking you directly when you believe in the Creator. Why don't you accept the Creator? I'm ask you directly. Do you ask me direct question in front of 30,000 people? I give a direct answer. I asked you a direct question. You didn't believe in God, I congratulate you. Now I prove to you that the creator of the Quran. Now I'm asking the question of I don't believe in the Creator. I didn't say that I believe in the Creator making us
other, I didn't ask you to come here to mimic me, please.
Did I ask you to come and mimic me? I asked you who wrote You said creator? I didn't say did I say that? No.
I don't say that's what you said. Even I didn't see the question I said, that means you haven't seen my speech get ugly, like how you are telling when I ask any atheist, he gives the reply credo, Nada. Nada, that we haven't seen my speech correctly. It is a person like you who I might have asked the question do he gives the reply? Like, will you give the reply now? Did I ask you to mimic? Or did I ask you to give answer from your heart?
So that means you are not a very truthful person. You asked me a question, brother. I give answer directly from my heart. Correct? I'm asking you a question you give them another thing that are mimicking, okay, if I say the creator is what you want to hear now, no, no, no, no, isn't hypothetically here? No, I believe if we say that, I agree to the Creator. Now, what if I say that I agree to the creator of what was written what I don't believe what was written justifies everything. You're giving me 656 things but there's a lot in life that's not written there. Fine.
Gravity or you're just telling me about light. Very good, very good. A brother says he believes in the Creator. But everything is not the brother.
This book, the Quran is not a book of signs. SC i e, MC. It's the book of signs, s, I G and S. It's a book of IRS.
There are more than 6000 signs 6000 IRS in the Quran or two of which more than 1000 speak about science. It's sort of book of signs, two plus two is equal to for those not in there. But the beauty of it is what is written we did not know you mean we did not meet the Creator road. If it had everything of signs. It wouldn't be a volumetric book as Bucha the World Trade Center or maybe it's British dollars building now, it is on opposite sides. Rather, please don't misunderstand. It is to prove to the scientist that this is a word of God. This is a word of creator. What do you have to tell me to disprove it? You have to take out a mistake in the Quran. Quran says in Surah Nisa
chapter four verse number 32. For Allah you the Brunella Quran, Allah Karna meaning the gorilla lovers you the Philippine cathedra Do they not consider the Quran with K hadn't been from anyone besides Allah? Dude, I've been conditioned in it that I've been mistaken for you to disprove the Quran to be the word of Allah, we have to take our mistakes that I said, please come up and take our mistakes in the Quran.
Why? If it's wrong, I will leave it if it is right you join me. It's a two way not one way.
But how old is the Quran? I don't exactly know how the Quran is approximately 1400 years old. Okay, and how long have human beings existed in this planet? You remember even millions of views, millions of views. I'm not challenging you don't don't get this wrong. I've just I like people telling me what is challenging? Yeah. Okay, if you want to challenge then I'll take that step. Okay, what is the reason that first of all is I believe Christianity is older than Islam. No.
Shared is not older than Islam. What's the difference? Islam is there since time immemorial since man set foot on the earth. Okay. From the First Amendment already there. Prophet Muhammad is the last and final messenger. He came 1400 years ago he was the last messenger Quran is the last revelation, not the first revelation. This is the last estimate. Otherwise Islam in this entire Memorial is Allah Salam, Jesus Christ was a Muslim, only the Quran, Abraham was a Muslim of Karnataka and peace be upon them all. So Islam means peace acquired by submitting a will to Almighty God, it is this time immemorial.
Okay, so getting to the point I asked you the timescale that the Quran has existed and the time scale of human beings after your time period of Quran Islamic time of the Quran, the Quran, the holy book, not not Islam, we can say Islam existed for forever. But why was the Quran invent were placed on Earth afterwards?
Very good, very good. And I also wanted to ask you something I always wanted to know about that is the Darwin's theory of evolution. I know there's a lot of controversy on that. But why do you do you believe in evolution or you believe man was placed directly and the whole thing of apes, the science that has proved that human beings emanated from apes Do you agree with to question that science and sorry about that? No problem. Do question Do you believe in Darwin's theory, science has proved that human me the ability from ape Do you believe in do you believe that human me the place and second question Why was Quran revealed
For the India's back, why not before two questions regarding a correction in your question, science has improved, that you made me that mirror for me, it is Darwin's theory, not Darwin's fact.
It's the theory, there is no book today. There is no book today on the face of the earth, we save the fact of evolution. It theory the fact of the origin of human beings. No, it's theory and for your information. Darwin himself said that there were missing links in this theory, if you read his book, On the Origin of Species, he writes in this on a ship by the name of HMS Beagle, he goes to an island by the name of Khalil Tropez, and they receive birds who are packing in niches in holes. Based on the host they pack, the beak of the birds became short and long. Based on that observation, he propounded the theory of natural selection. He wrote a letter to his friend, Thomas Thompson in
1861, that I have no proof for my theory of evolution, but because it helps me in giving replies to embryology to genetics, that there isn't a proponent yet no proof on it, that there is no school, you know, to joke around we used to say, if you were pregnant Darwin's time, Darwin would have been proved right time to infinity. I'm telling my colleague gives you the monkey, never missing links. Furthermore, all the three stages today, science that advanced we have come to know that the first industrial product is an Iceman, the next day that we have Neanderthal man, cro-magnon, all these stages that we have today of the human being that we found there's no link between them. 13 they go
Darwin said that life is evolved from water I agree with it. Quran says that Saudi Arabia chapter 21, Mr. Murthy, Magellan laminal Michael Lasha. And we have created every living thing from water, I believe in that. But seeing that we have evolved from one specialty at the is a hypothesis.
A call to molecular biologist Kansas Craig, he said it is letting your imagination run to wild to say that we have been evolved from apes. If that was true, today we'll find someone in between man and human being you only find it mitotic if you don't find anywhere in the world among gay men do you find? So what do the evolutionary stop now, it is a hypothesis. And most of the scientists today disagree with it. There is only a small negligible percentage with the belief in Darwin's theory majority of the scientists have already disproved Darwin's theory. I feel your knowledge of science is not up to date brother, but Dr. Niagra not but when
you asked him a question, I'm replying
then we have to give chance to the older five six questions now. That's fun. That's so sorry. I thought you were being entertained with having fun before entering the new under entertain the other non Muslim brothers if all non Muslim girl will come back to you. So what we realized Darwin's theory brother, your knowledge on science is weak. We say Adam and Eve were the first human beings therefore the Quran says furthermore regarding a second question. Okay, I have to answer your question. I'm gonna answer the second question you want to put the third question let me know and listening to me or your forgot any of us two questions.
That we have a good question era.
Now you asked me the question, why was Quran revealed 14 years back by not before? You know my son? He wants to become a doctor. He's telling me Father Abba, why do you put me in school and college? Why don't you put me in medical college directly
via iPhone first go to nursery, then go to primary, then go to secondary school, then go to college, then go to medical college. I can put him in medical college Derrick UVA, you should know the basics. Similarly, Almighty God is our Creator. He kept on sending other revelations, Almighty God our Creator thought 1400 years back was the right time that human beings could observe this message. He revealed it. He's our Creator, He knows better than you and me.
Put in 100 years back he revealed his last message the Quran to the last and final messenger mama Salah Salem, and as mentioned in the Quran in surah Majda chapter number five, verse number three, on this day, have I perfected my religion for you the perfect form and have complete my favor on you. You turn the human beings and has chosen for you Islam. After this nothing new can be added into the basics of Islam. Nothing can be subtracted. That's it. So Almighty God knows when we can imbibe the message of the Quran. And this is the Last Testament last messenger Prophet Muhammad no other messenger come after this. Hope that answer your question. And I hope that even except besides
being my friend, you also accept my teachings and maybe next time when you come here, maybe next time you tell me to come again tomorrow I'm flying tomorrow. I come back fast for you alone.